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| schestowitz | Mono unrest in http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2... | Apr 21 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Google, Twitter, WordPress Reps Go To Iraq < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews... >. Yeah, yeah... that'll save them. How about just leaving the country alone? | Apr 21 18:06 |
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| trmanco | http://www.redhat.com/about/where-... | Apr 21 18:31 |
| balzac | I've been spending too much time doing social advocacy lately | Apr 21 18:38 |
| balzac | during business hours, that is | Apr 21 18:38 |
| Balrog | heh | Apr 21 18:38 |
| balzac | I have to drop out of here doing business hours | Apr 21 18:39 |
| balzac | it's too interesting and engaging for me to be productive | Apr 21 18:39 |
| balzac | I'll drop in after hours and on weekends, but I have to quit idling in here during business hours | Apr 21 18:40 |
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| trmanco | http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/mic... | Apr 21 18:46 |
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| trmanco | http://ma.tt/2009/04/blogs-... | Apr 21 18:54 |
| _boo_ | from prev link it's enough to read jonathan swift's citation | Apr 21 18:55 |
| trmanco | MSN website hacked: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/news/ar... | Apr 21 19:03 |
| trmanco | pff | Apr 21 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | I could use help with .htaccess | Apr 21 19:07 |
| schestowitz | But it's too site-sepcific.. | Apr 21 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | I've just burned an hour without success. | Apr 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | WordPress in root dir was a bad idea (Shane's idea) | Apr 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | It hijacked all requests to root | Apr 21 19:16 |
| trmanco | I also have wordpress at that level, and yes it is a bad idea | Apr 21 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I never install CMSs at top level | Apr 21 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I had to escape with redirects using a plugin for WordPress because Apache won't do | Apr 21 19:25 |
| trmanco | Microsoft Said to Step Up Talks With Yahoo on Ad Partnership : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi... | Apr 21 19:26 |
| trmanco | I haven't had any major problem with it yet, but I do not recommend it to anyone... I did that when I was a newb | Apr 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Secretive U.S. Prison Units Used to House Muslim, Animal Rights and Environmental Activists < http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/com... > | Apr 21 19:27 |
| trmanco | I can always change it anyway, but I'm to lazy to do it :-P | Apr 21 19:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: will antitrust stop the deal ;-) | Apr 21 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "Good cuddly Microsoft, big bad Google..." (said the Microsoft crony in USDOJ) | Apr 21 19:28 |
| trmanco | I hope so, That's what they deserve | Apr 21 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the picture: Obama shields CIA interrogators from charges < http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/n162... > | Apr 21 19:28 |
| schestowitz | The British police covered up after its attack on an innocent bystander in G20 protest: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com... | Apr 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz | There was a stand handing out leaflets about Ian Tomlinson near where I live | Apr 21 19:30 |
| trmanco | The offensive Microsoft anti-Linux netbook offensive: http://www.itwire.com/conte... you might of read this already... | Apr 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | California's new power source a solar farm < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar... > Another Ethanol-like scam where more energy is taken than produced. | Apr 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Rocket Launches Damage Ozone Layer, Study Says < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/... > | Apr 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Microsoft conned some OEMs, telling them Vista7 will run on these cheaply if they drop Linux. They said nothing about CripplEdition, I reckon. | Apr 21 19:34 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 21 19:35 |
| trmanco | the 3 app edition | Apr 21 19:35 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, i believe they said quite different things | Apr 21 19:35 |
| _boo_ | what they said was smth like: either you reject linux, or you won't get cheap oem versions ever | Apr 21 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo Analyst: [A Circa-1998 Version of] Linux on Netbooks Is Doomed < http://ostatic.com/blog/lenovo-... > | Apr 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: yes, likely. It's illegal | Apr 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel played these games too | Apr 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel too is a criminal organisation | Apr 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Violating market rules | Apr 21 19:39 |
| _boo_ | lol... when m$ was legal... | Apr 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | But there is no regulation | Apr 21 19:40 |
| _boo_ | intel plays these games all the time | Apr 21 19:40 |
| _boo_ | because those pathetic sellers are weak | Apr 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | "A woman left covered in bruises after apparently being slapped in the face by a [UK[ police sergeant" http://www.guardian.co.uk/politic... | Apr 21 19:41 |
| Balrog | http://blogs.computerworld.com/fi... | Apr 21 19:42 |
| Balrog | $100, 128MB ram, 533MHz ARM11 | Apr 21 19:42 |
| _boo_ | hm... | Apr 21 19:43 |
| _boo_ | wonder if they cost anywhere near 200-300$ in russia | Apr 21 19:44 |
| trmanco | Windows 7 Starter Edition Only Runs 3 Applications At Once: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/... | Apr 21 19:44 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 21 19:44 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. | Apr 21 19:44 |
| Balrog | So did XP starter :) | Apr 21 19:44 |
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| Balrog | but they didn't push xp starter for netbooks | Apr 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | US army soldier convicted of killing Iraqi detainees http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/a... | Apr 21 19:45 |
| mib_asf8dx | stupid directhex is promoting banshee of hell on ubuntu...... | Apr 21 19:45 |
| schestowitz | mib_asf8dx: sure | Apr 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | also debian | Apr 21 19:46 |
| mib_asf8dx | We need to port banshee to python! | Apr 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | seller??\ | Apr 21 19:47 |
| trmanco | I don't use that crap | Apr 21 19:47 |
| mib_asf8dx | yes, It's me ,I using mibbit | Apr 21 19:47 |
| trmanco | audacious serves me well | Apr 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz | ok | Apr 21 19:47 |
| Balrog | can't you set a nick? | Apr 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz | did you see the wiki? | Apr 21 19:47 |
| mib_asf8dx | Balrog: ok | Apr 21 19:47 |
| mib_asf8dx | schestowitz: yes | Apr 21 19:47 |
| mib_asf8dx | schestowitz: but I think it's better to remove all new and set the home page only for introduction and links | Apr 21 19:48 |
| mib_asf8dx | new pollutes home page , or | Apr 21 19:48 |
| mib_asf8dx | put only news of day | Apr 21 19:48 |
| mib_asf8dx | wait a moment, I will chane my name | Apr 21 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | seller: let's work on this together | Apr 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Make sure you have a Wiki account | Apr 21 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | If you have writings about ethics, add them. Let's edit some more related topics as it's viewed the most times/day | Apr 21 19:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/... (Custom Toy Blogger Accused Of Infringing On Wolverine) | Apr 21 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | "keydon @schestowitz: Oracle buys SUN to kill MySQL. Open Source business = buy to kill" | Apr 21 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Consider their past anti-mysql acquisitions. It's a possibility. | Apr 21 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | De Icaza conveniently ignored gnote when referring to a post which covers it: http://tirania.org/blog/archiv... | Apr 21 19:59 |
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| mib_bns55e | soory ,I was trying to change, but mibbit records ip now | Apr 21 20:00 |
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| mib_bns55e | We need to make a list of microsoft perversions and unethical works (and even crimes) | Apr 21 20:04 |
| mib_bns55e | and then put on wiki | Apr 21 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Satirical open letter to Microsoft (from FOSS guy): http://maratux.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Apr 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "rlancefield @schestowitz Great isn't it? The police "haven't yet received a formal complaint". They didn't get one from Ian Tomlinson, either..." | Apr 21 20:05 |
| dan__ | Whao!... sounding a bit Scientology there... yeah MS need ethics | Apr 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | The police here is starting to treat people in a third world country | Apr 21 20:05 |
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| mib_0aaheu mib_2rsk5m mib_59y5ie mib_bns55e mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_jsyvz1 mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_szv59h mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa MinceR | Apr 21 20:06 | |
| mib_0aaheu mib_2rsk5m mib_59y5ie mib_bns55e mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_jsyvz1 mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_szv59h mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa | Apr 21 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | Seller: it's being done already | Apr 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | We have over 6000 posts, some containing evidence | Apr 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Someone is stringing indexes together | Apr 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | [for the Wiki] | Apr 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And you too can help | Apr 21 20:06 |
| mib_bns55e | ok | Apr 21 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | To index this stuff is not easy, but search is valuable if you look for particular incidents. | Apr 21 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Seller: there are levels here | Apr 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Reporters who collect evidence | Apr 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Newspapers and publ's that put forth the facts | Apr 21 20:08 |
| zer0c00l | What the Oracle Acquisition of Sun Means for Linux: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news... | Apr 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | BN collects many such reports | Apr 21 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | The blogging style is such that it's rich with reports being cited | Apr 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | So now, as a last level, we need indexing | Apr 21 20:08 |
| dan__ | Just thinking about how MS said XP was over when Vista came in ..... then when business did not want Vista they brought XP back.... now its back on netbooks too. | Apr 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Google already facilitates search | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | dan__: yes, Vista7 is a disaster | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Wait until Thursday night | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | See their results | Apr 21 20:09 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: I'm planning to create a ebook publishing crimes of microsoft and how to do more ethics in this unethical world | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | People still love XP more than Vista and Microsoft sells it for under $15 because of GNU/Linux | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | And their financial results SHOW. | Apr 21 20:09 |
| dan__ | Notice as well how low key Win7 is its like stealth launch no hype at all | Apr 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | mib_bns55e: use site search for BN if you look for examples on particular topic/area int he world/government/company, then follow external refs | Apr 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | dan__: marketing is priicey | Apr 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is cutting expenses now | Apr 21 20:11 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: We need urgent ways to promote ethics | Apr 21 20:11 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: charity will NEVER save the world | Apr 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Oracle 'blocked' the Linux/FOSS news | Apr 21 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same when Sun bought mysql | Apr 21 20:12 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: instead some riches uses false charity | Apr 21 20:12 |
| dan__ | True marketing is pricey | Apr 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | They distract reporters | Apr 21 20:12 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: This is a bad thing | Apr 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | dan__: they spend billions on imposed Vista illusions | Apr 21 20:12 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: more layoffs, more homogenous IT | Apr 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It's cheaper now to bribe bloggers | Apr 21 20:12 |
| dan__ | for example? | Apr 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Which is what they did in both cases, also in Vista7 | Apr 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | mib_bns55e: charity is like offering healthcare to people who die in a bombing | Apr 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | You stop the crime and harm by ending the bombing | Apr 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Not by sending in doctors | Apr 21 20:13 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: Yes, because this , people must learn ethics | Apr 21 20:14 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: people only thinks in personal decisions | Apr 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Do you have any writings lying around | Apr 21 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | mib_bns55e: try to change nick | Apr 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Reenter IRC | Apr 21 20:14 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: for example ,There are a lot of microsoft devs , but no one try to spend 10% time in learn free software | Apr 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz | People think of self because education divides them | Apr 21 20:15 |
| mib_bns55e | schestowitz: And we need to change this | Apr 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Division is powerful means for centralised control | Apr 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Say I run a prison | Apr 21 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | If I keep inmates in separate cells, they can't unite | Apr 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | They can't organise and make demands | Apr 21 20:15 |
| dan__ | How is this related to MS and Free Software? | Apr 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | The same goes for governments, which if you study this carefully you'll find use the very same tactics against citizens that it used against foreign forces | Apr 21 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | It treats them similarly as a threat and responds similarly. Political science teaches this. | Apr 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | dan__: it's not | Apr 21 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | But this person raises the issue of ethics quite routinely | Apr 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | For people to appreciate Free software they need to start with a basis of philosophy too | Apr 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | See GNU site for example. | Apr 21 20:17 |
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| dan__ | Totally agree the writings of Stallman are a good starting point. | Apr 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Say you try to promote reduction of emissions. You need to start by having people care about the issue. | Apr 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | To propose solutions is not enough | Apr 21 20:18 |
| seller_liar | ok, my name is seller_liar now | Apr 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Like advance Linux | Apr 21 20:18 |
| seller_liar | but I'm focus only in microsoft | Apr 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Because of people don't know WHY they should move to Linux, they won't | Apr 21 20:18 |
| seller_liar | and free software | Apr 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | If people are not told why they should buy free-range chicken, they'll buy the cheap option | Apr 21 20:18 |
| seller_liar | but ,we need to show how is important to use free software , because of ethics | Apr 21 20:19 |
| dan__ | Not sure I agree, people will move to Linux is they see advantages in doing so | Apr 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Ethical and technical | Apr 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | On the technical side there are many also | Apr 21 20:19 |
| seller_liar | we must convince people : ethics is the only way to change the world | Apr 21 20:19 |
| seller_liar | all is evil is consequence of lack of ethics | Apr 21 20:19 |
| seller_liar | About technical traits ,I don t know | Apr 21 20:20 |
| seller_liar | We can focus on technical merits like opensource does , we need to focus in ethics , like free software | Apr 21 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | But does BN have room for this? | Apr 21 20:22 |
| schestowitz | It would lose focus and not contain the message we want to deliver about technical issues like patents | Apr 21 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Patents are ethical issues too of course, not just to engineers and economists | Apr 21 20:22 |
| schestowitz | [and lawyers *cough cough*] | Apr 21 20:22 |
| seller_liar | Yes, I know , but we promote free software because of ethics, not because it is more powerful and secure | Apr 21 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | XP is almost gratis now. Free as in free razor (no blades): http://www.thetechlounge.com... | Apr 21 20:24 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: agreed | Apr 21 20:24 |
| schestowitz | But are we prepared to align with a message that goes into questions like that, except for IRC? | Apr 21 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | In IRC we do raise political issues too and discuss them. But that's mostly focal. | Apr 21 20:25 |
| seller_liar | not yet, I will do a rationale and motivation and put on wiki .But I will focus only on free software and microsoft | Apr 21 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. | Apr 21 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Links would help too | Apr 21 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Like adding some external to GNU at the bottom. Lessig also.. | Apr 21 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Lessig doesn't care about ethics though | Apr 21 20:26 |
| schestowitz | He cares about the influence of corruptions (corporations in this case) on legal issues like copyrights | Apr 21 20:27 |
| seller_liar | this is ethics too | Apr 21 20:29 |
| seller_liar | but lessig focus only in big boys | Apr 21 20:29 |
| seller_liar | we need to focus in common people too | Apr 21 20:29 |
| seller_liar | corporations (big boys) are rich because common people permits | Apr 21 20:30 |
| seller_liar | people insits in using microsoft windows , a software from a corrupt and destrutive company | Apr 21 20:31 |
| seller_liar | people insist to use nike , a company which uses enslavered work | Apr 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | AdaCore writes "GNU/Linux" in its press release, which is rare but commendable: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/go... | Apr 21 20:32 |
| seller_liar | people insist in but diamonds from campanies which destroy african arms | Apr 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: which shoemakers don't enslave? | Apr 21 20:33 |
| seller_liar | ada core ? from gcc-ada? | Apr 21 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I get the impression Nike does what many of its wannabes do | Apr 21 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I mean, is it not being picked on because of its size mostly? | Apr 21 20:33 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz:Then we need to buy from companies whiche enslave less.... | Apr 21 20:33 |
| schestowitz | And what shoes should one encourage buying instead? To use a hypothetical example... | Apr 21 20:33 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: We need to reward companies which uses less slavery | Apr 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | That's the same issue with channeling people away from Microsoft, weaning them off Windows to........... Apple+Mac | Apr 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | If they don't realise the issues, they'll think Apple is "good" and "cool" | Apr 21 20:34 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: But in IT world there a good solution , GNU/Linux | Apr 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: like Greenpeace ladders? | Apr 21 20:34 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: maybe .... | Apr 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: depends who from.. | Apr 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Oracle Unbreakable? | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Ballnux? | Apr 21 20:35 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: but greenpeace focus only in big boys too | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | But it's brand people recognise | Apr 21 20:35 |
| Balrog | greenpeace was said to be soliciting 'donations' for good reports | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Can states be lobbied to teach more on ethics? | Apr 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | That's an abstract route of course | Apr 21 20:35 |
| seller_liar | This is very hard | Apr 21 20:36 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: the solution io people teaches more ethics to more people | Apr 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | And curriculum at schools are driven by companies who employ the kids when they grow up | Apr 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Same with military | Apr 21 20:36 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: For example | Apr 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Kids are taught to march, chant hymns, love militarisiation, and love corporations (maximalisation) | Apr 21 20:36 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Friends have more impact (people) than school(state) | Apr 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | But that's the way society functions | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | In some countries, religion drives education also | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: not sure | Apr 21 20:37 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: But people have more influence in people | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | People spend a lot of time at schools | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | And it's transfered by peer | Apr 21 20:37 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: But schools does not convince more than a friend | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | People to people if people are brainwashed is no good | Apr 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Also, people not 'learn' from Fox News and XBox | Apr 21 20:38 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We from BN are not brainwashed | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | About shooting Iraquis and shooting people, respectively | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | This dumping down is GOOD... for the stakeholders | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Those owning the networks and companies (same people) | Apr 21 20:38 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: We can convince people about ethics because , we are not brainwashed | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Like GE | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | GE owns part of NBC | Apr 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | So GE's nuclear/tech agenda impacts the news people are told | Apr 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of the press then become Freedom of the private tyranny (GE, which is structured exactly like that) | Apr 21 20:39 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But the media is not a good source of belief | Apr 21 20:39 |
| dan__ | Formerly MSNBC, looks like they pimp themselves around a lot :) | Apr 21 20:40 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:People believes more in personal friends than media and other things | Apr 21 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | dan__: Cramer | Apr 21 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Did you see him busted? | Apr 21 20:41 |
| schestowitz | In Comedy Central | Apr 21 20:41 |
| schestowitz | And Maria Bartiromo and the rest of the gang? :-) | Apr 21 20:41 |
| seller_liar | no | Apr 21 20:41 |
| dan__ | Whats Cramer? | Apr 21 20:41 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: that's the issue. People used to meet friends more | Apr 21 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Now they have Fox and xBox | Apr 21 20:42 |
| schestowitz | So they talk less | Apr 21 20:42 |
| schestowitz | They become consumers, no co-producers of messages | Apr 21 20:42 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: No | Apr 21 20:42 |
| schestowitz | There are good talks about the subject | Apr 21 20:42 |
| schestowitz | dan__: MAD Money | Apr 21 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... | Apr 21 20:43 |
| dan__ | Oh yeah the crazy guy on You Tube | Apr 21 20:43 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: The only way to promote ethics is convince people personally | Apr 21 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Iconic example of the poor state of information on television | Apr 21 20:43 |
| *schestowitz got rid of his TV | Apr 21 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | dan__: no YouTUbe, prime time television | Apr 21 20:44 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Like jeovah withnesses | Apr 21 20:44 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: later on they sod off and get reprogrammed | Apr 21 20:44 |
| dan__ | Yeah I know but the clip was on You Tube afterwards..... | Apr 21 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Like some 8 y-o girls saying "i'm a PC" | Apr 21 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Or some iphone 'pr0n' in TV | Apr 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | People's ability to be deceived is well studied | Apr 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | So they are made emotionally attached not to what they should | Apr 21 20:45 |
| dan__ | Amazing everyone thinks iPhone is great but its really a missive rip-off | Apr 21 20:45 |
| Balrog | dan__: explain. | Apr 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | They call it Jususphone in The Register | Apr 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | *Jesus | Apr 21 20:46 |
| Balrog | heh, the pundits call things by many names | Apr 21 20:46 |
| dan__ | With iPhone everything is proprietary, content, OS and apps are controlled by a monopoly | Apr 21 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | The police here has gone the wrong way. Who would police them now? They arrest protesters without charges and now slap a woman. She should complain to the police ;-) (about the police) | Apr 21 20:49 |
| Balrog | dan__: heard of jailbreaking devices? | Apr 21 20:50 |
| Balrog | and yes, if you have the $100 dev certificate, you can install any app you want; doesn't require approval | Apr 21 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Web site Crack3d and def4ced: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/ne... | Apr 21 20:51 |
| dan__ | I'm sure there are hacks and cracks but vast majority of users will use vanilla iPhone and pay Apple a lot | Apr 21 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmm..... | Apr 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "Boycottnovell not showing up on my iGoogle feed, when i press on link its going to http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index..." | Apr 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's the downside of people using different services in different ways | Apr 21 20:56 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: make a www.boycottnovell.com/news that redirects to the wordpress site | Apr 21 20:58 |
| Balrog | then get people to use that | Apr 21 20:58 |
| Balrog | dan__: we've heard that at least a million devices have been jailbroken | Apr 21 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: how would that resolve anything? Maybe I'm not following... | Apr 21 21:00 |
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| MinceR | it must be fun to pay $100 for something that should be free | Apr 21 21:01 |
| Balrog | it does remove the restrictions of everything being proprietary (third party apps available) and controlled (you can jailbreak) | Apr 21 21:01 |
| Balrog | MinceR: the $100 also gives you the ability to sell apps in the store | Apr 21 21:01 |
| MinceR | what if i don't want to sell apps? | Apr 21 21:02 |
| Balrog | then jailbreak | Apr 21 21:02 |
| MinceR | ok, my fault for expecting reason from apple fanboys | Apr 21 21:02 |
| MinceR | they'd pay $100 for a piece of turd if it had an apple logo on it | Apr 21 21:02 |
| Balrog | it's easy enough ... and I don't see how they can cry DMCA when unlocking is legal under DMCA and you must jailbreak to unlock | Apr 21 21:02 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: do you have a list of software under AGPL? | Apr 21 21:03 |
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| MinceR | even if they do so in violation of the law, abusing their own customers is still abusing their own customers | Apr 21 21:04 |
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| Omar87 | Guys? | Apr 21 21:04 |
| Omar87 | So, what do you think of today's biggest surprise? | Apr 21 21:05 |
| Balrog | are customers complaining about being abused...? No, the percentage of Windows users that do so is higher, and Windows isn't that controlled | Apr 21 21:05 |
| Balrog | Omar87: which surprise? | Apr 21 21:05 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you know of such a list? | Apr 21 21:05 |
| Omar87 | Balrog: Oracle's acquisition of Sun. | Apr 21 21:05 |
| Balrog | that was yesterday's news. | Apr 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | BN is doing 2GB traffic/hour today :-p | Apr 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Oops. I mean 500MB | Apr 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Wrong division | Apr 21 21:06 |
| seller_liar | the only way to stop crApple is convince people to not buy iphone | Apr 21 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I suggest you look at Palamida's DB for that list | Apr 21 21:07 |
| schestowitz | AGPLv3 projects | Apr 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | not only jesusPhone, other crApple crAp too | Apr 21 21:08 |
| Omar87 | Oh, yeah, yesterday I meant. | Apr 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is teh suxx | Apr 21 21:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Huh? | Apr 21 21:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oracle suxx? | Apr 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Sun messed itself up, but Oracle will hopefully do well | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Which they almost never do | Apr 21 21:09 |
| Balrog | heh ... hopefully the release more under GPL | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if their management got replaced... | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they already have | Apr 21 21:09 |
| Balrog | I'd like to see ZFS and OpenSolaris being dual licensed | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Some GPLv2 s/w | Apr 21 21:09 |
| Balrog | especially ZFS | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Very little though | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: pong | Apr 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the ACT latest attack on the EU? | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is miserable | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Sending hired guns to the press | Apr 21 21:10 |
| Balrog | url? | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | And I feel like insulting those stupid journalists who don't say it's a hired gun of MS | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... http://www.computerworld.com/action/art... | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Zuck and his sh*tes | Apr 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Hired by Microsoft | Apr 21 21:11 |
| schestowitz | To attack MS critics, sabotage FOSS reports, etc,. | Apr 21 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Search Google for "jonathan zuck" | Apr 21 21:11 |
| mib_0aaheu mib_59y5ie mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_fdi38t mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa MinceR | Apr 21 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: these are the type of people you'd need to jail maybe before Jobs | Apr 21 21:12 |
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| MinceR | i don't really care about the exact order | Apr 21 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Digg ends a year early its exclusive ad deal with Microsoft < http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic... > | Apr 21 21:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there is a chain of dependency | Apr 21 21:13 |
| MinceR | i think we should jail this kind of criminal as soon as we can get hold of them | Apr 21 21:13 |
| schestowitz | If you starve the criminals from Microsoft (mostly the management), then Zuck and his cronies have no funds. | Apr 21 21:14 |
| schestowitz | But they will still need to be chained for crimes they already committed | Apr 21 21:14 |
| mib_0aaheu mib_59y5ie mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_fdi38t mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa MinceR | Apr 21 21:14 | |
| MinceR | take their money and put them into penal servitude to offset the damages they've caused | Apr 21 21:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he roams the wild in Brussels | Apr 21 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Catching him should not be hard | Apr 21 21:14 |
| MinceR | why let them run free while we find the bigger fish? | Apr 21 21:17 |
| seller_liar | the first thing we must do is destroy the source of all trolls and shills | Apr 21 21:18 |
| seller_liar | Microsoft | Apr 21 21:18 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: MS is runing itself | Apr 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | More layoffs said to be coming soon | Apr 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | [at MS] | Apr 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe also in Oracle ... inc. Sun staff | Apr 21 21:19 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: But this is not enough | Apr 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Apr 21 21:20 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: We need to convince all people about ethics all stop to using ms software | Apr 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | They'll burn the world as long as it brings money | Apr 21 21:20 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: While people buy ms software ,ms will never die | Apr 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm not too optimistic at this point because they call $13,000bn in debt "recession" | Apr 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: Brazil too is a slave of Microsoft, still | Apr 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Many shops depend on the drugs from Microsoft | Apr 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | s/w Microsoft will want to change from one day (if there was no Linux to escape to as a haven) | Apr 21 21:21 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes, even some prefectures | Apr 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Even selling all the beans in Brazil can't pay for the licence to use copies of garbage software | Apr 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how Gilberto Gill feels about the American corporations or other multinational (not just American) | Apr 21 21:22 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: But I think this helps free software because people do not waste all money | Apr 21 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I know what he thinks about MS | Apr 21 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Gil likes RMS and hates MS | Apr 21 21:22 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Gil have weak power change... | Apr 21 21:23 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: But Dont worry , I will put my ideas in wiki soon.... | Apr 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Oracle buys MySQL shocker < http://www.tuxmachines.... > list if links | Apr 21 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: thanks | Apr 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | What's up with Debian | Apr 21 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Some flamebait about Debian "dying" out there in some blogs.... | Apr 21 21:32 |
| schestowitz | They resposted it with a provocative headline: Some flamebait about Debian "dying" out there in some blogs.... | Apr 21 21:32 |
| schestowitz | *reposted | Apr 21 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Stupid 'press'... the Linux hostile type | Apr 21 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Mono boys are getting a fight in Mono zone. | Apr 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm takes on the de Icaza BS | Apr 21 21:36 |
| _boo_ | it's kinda funny to hear that debian is anywhere near moving towards dying | Apr 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | "Motorola has denied putting Google's Android onto a set-top box, pointing out that their "au" box is still running their own proprietary OS, despite reports to the contrary." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... | Apr 21 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Also in http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... | Apr 21 21:43 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: Debian is very big in devices and server | Apr 21 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Pictures of games on the Palm Pre (with Linux): http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/19/new-pre-cl... | Apr 21 21:47 |
| Balrog | that's not a Pre app | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Balrog | it's a PalmOS app running in emulation | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Balrog | compare to 'Classic' [OS 9] within OS X | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Balrog | or maybe it isn't but it's hard to say. more info has to be released. | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Balrog | yeah, that's emulation | Apr 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu: Dell and Zealots < http://doctormo.wordpress.com/200... > | Apr 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Oops. I wasn't reading carefully | Apr 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | gartner bulls* http://news.cnet.com/8301-135... | Apr 21 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It's here and it's ARM. First Google Android Netbooks spotted < http://blogs.computerworld.com/fir... > | Apr 21 21:54 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: what do you think about inspiron mini 9 w/ ubuntu? | Apr 21 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | I never tried it | Apr 21 22:10 |
| MinceR | the mafiaa wants war >> http://news.slashdot.org/arti... | Apr 21 22:40 |
| MinceR | time for boycottmafiaa? | Apr 21 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I have no time to run it | Apr 21 22:43 |
| MinceR | neither do i :/ | Apr 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Heise Explains What's in the Next Linux Release http://www.h-online.com/open/Kernel-L... | Apr 21 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I put it in daily links (under copyrights mostly) | Apr 21 22:46 |
| schestowitz | So those who cover it get more view | Apr 21 22:46 |
| trmanco | I don't get it, is it just android or google android? | Apr 21 22:50 |
| MinceR | it's crap :> | Apr 21 22:51 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 21 22:53 |
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| _boo_ | trmanco, isn't android = google android? | Apr 21 22:56 |
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| trmanco | yes, but it's confusing | Apr 21 22:56 |
| trmanco | some people just right android, and others write google android | Apr 21 22:56 |
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| _boo_ | in either case... you can't afford yourself buy anything google don't you? | Apr 21 22:59 |
| Omar87 | Guys, how do you think will this affect MySQL and OO.o? | Apr 21 23:00 |
| trmanco | nobody "buys" android | Apr 21 23:01 |
| _boo_ | i hope so | Apr 21 23:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi everyone! :) | Apr 21 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | anyone awake here? | Apr 21 23:07 |
| _boo_ | no | Apr 21 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | hi boo | Apr 21 23:08 |
| _boo_ | hi | Apr 21 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | remember me? | Apr 21 23:08 |
| _boo_ | a bit, only nick | Apr 21 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Apr 21 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | so what's up | Apr 21 23:08 |
| trmanco | hello wispygalaxy | Apr 21 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | i have no class today (at college) | Apr 21 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | hey tony! :D | Apr 21 23:09 |
| _boo_ | we ain't got enough players at ##jswolfbot | Apr 21 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | that's another channel you visit, right? | Apr 21 23:09 |
| _boo_ | :)) most time also in #debian, #defocus, #socialites and stuff like that | Apr 21 23:10 |
| _boo_ | but i'm too lazy to type /join all that channels again | Apr 21 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | neat, i hang around here mostly | Apr 21 23:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | i get confused if im in too many channels haha | Apr 21 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | with AIM, i couldnt talk to more than 3 people at a time | Apr 21 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | on youtube, i visit my friend's stream and chat there too | Apr 21 23:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | *ping* roy | Apr 21 23:12 |
| _boo_ | i don't chat on youtube | Apr 21 23:12 |
| _boo_ | only when drunk :) | Apr 21 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | it's fun. you can play videos as you chat | Apr 21 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | haha boo | Apr 21 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | some guys in the stream i go to are drunk lol | Apr 21 23:13 |
| schestowitz | hey | Apr 21 23:13 |
| _boo_ | my nick there is smth like bo0o0o0o0o0o0o | Apr 21 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | they type in all caps and try to annoy everyone | Apr 21 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | roy! how are you? :) | Apr 21 23:14 |
| schestowitz | You entered so quietly. | Apr 21 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | really? i though i wake everyone up | Apr 21 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Apr 21 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i cant remember that name, boo, sry ;) | Apr 21 23:14 |
| _boo_ | it's only 2:25 here | Apr 21 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | where are you | Apr 21 23:14 |
| _boo_ | russia | Apr 21 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | ah yes, i remember now | Apr 21 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | and im the jersey girl | Apr 21 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | it's 6:26 here | Apr 21 23:15 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: things change for Linux and Microsoft. Microsoft is feeeeeble. | Apr 21 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is gaining, woot | Apr 21 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Digg dumped Microsoft too | Apr 21 23:16 |
| schestowitz | So I might get back there. | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | im so thrilled with my debian setup | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | digg uses debian ;) | Apr 21 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 21 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Some Microsoft sites use Debian too | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | ms doesn't advertise on digg anymore? | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | hypocrites! | Apr 21 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Like newsvine | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | admit it, linux is better :) | Apr 21 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | i want a cute little netbook with linux, but i already have a laptop | Apr 21 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll get one when i graduate | Apr 21 23:18 |
| _boo_ | i want some notebook with linux too, but i completely have no need for it | Apr 21 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | why not? it can do everything i need, and i bet you will love it too! | Apr 21 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I don't need one either | Apr 21 23:22 |
| wispygalaxy | besides, hardware costs are going down | Apr 21 23:22 |
| _boo_ | i'm always at computer | Apr 21 23:22 |
| schestowitz | On the go, Palm OS serves my mere needs | Apr 21 23:22 |
| wispygalaxy | cool roy, if that make you happy | Apr 21 23:22 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Apr 21 23:22 |
| _boo_ | at home it's pretty good desktop and at work it's satisfiable desktop too | Apr 21 23:22 |
| wispygalaxy | boo, you have a laptop, too? | Apr 21 23:22 |
| _boo_ | no, i just don't need it at all | Apr 21 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Think about people with 4 cars | Apr 21 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | as a student, i need a laptop. i bring it to the library, home, my dorm | Apr 21 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | my family has 4 cars :P | Apr 21 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Or houses with more bathrooms than tenants | Apr 21 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad is thinking of getting a BMW | Apr 21 23:23 |
| _boo_ | as a student i couldn't afford myself a laptop | Apr 21 23:23 |
| _boo_ | even though it could be useful sometimes | Apr 21 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | awwww boo | Apr 21 23:24 |
| _boo_ | after i graduated i just didn't need it | Apr 21 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | we paid off our mortgage last year | Apr 21 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | you dont like taking the computer to the coffee shop, boo? | Apr 21 23:25 |
| _boo_ | i don't go to coffee shops | Apr 21 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | for me, portability in a computer is important | Apr 21 23:25 |
| _boo_ | in fact i'm not even sure that i know what's a coffee shop :) | Apr 21 23:25 |
| _boo_ | is it some kind of cafe? | Apr 21 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | my sisters love starbucks, so we go there often haha | Apr 21 23:26 |
| _boo_ | there's none in novgorod | Apr 21 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | coffee shops not only sell coffee, they have tea (yummy), cakes, cookie, etx | Apr 21 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | etc* | Apr 21 23:26 |
| _boo_ | here there are plenty of beer shops XD | Apr 21 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | lol theres a lot of beer at my college too | Apr 21 23:26 |
| _boo_ | and a bit of restaurants | Apr 21 23:27 |
| wispygalaxy | some kid died of alcohol poisoning at a nearby school, though, last year | Apr 21 23:27 |
| _boo_ | wifi is not popular here too | Apr 21 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | the wifi at my house sucks, the signal is too weak | Apr 21 23:28 |
| _boo_ | wired internet is all over novgorod | Apr 21 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | japan has better wifi, i read about that | Apr 21 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i cant go back to dialup | Apr 21 23:29 |
| _boo_ | yeah... i used it when i was a student | Apr 21 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i had it too, man did that noise while connecting annoy me | Apr 21 23:30 |
| wispygalaxy | XD | Apr 21 23:30 |
| _boo_ | you could switch it off | Apr 21 23:30 |
| wispygalaxy | too late now haha, we dont have dialup anymore | Apr 21 23:30 |
| _boo_ | yeah, dialup is kinda history | Apr 21 23:31 |
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| wispygalaxy | i hope it's history in 10 years | Apr 21 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Dialup is useful for some devices still | Apr 21 23:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm gave it to Novuel de Icaca | Apr 21 23:35 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Apr 21 23:35 |
| wispygalaxy | dialup is good for remembering the past, whenever i hear that noise it reminds me of elementary school | Apr 21 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | They tend to be silent now | Apr 21 23:44 |
| schestowitz | The new BN homepage is more dialup friendly | Apr 21 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | awww that's nice of you haha | Apr 21 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | the college connection here is poor compared to my home's connection | Apr 21 23:45 |
| wispygalaxy | at least 5 times slower | Apr 21 23:45 |
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