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schestowitzNot the first time, eitherApr 27 19:28
PetoKrausyeah i knowApr 27 19:28
PetoKraus:)Apr 27 19:28
tessier_Higher means using less fuel and producing less pollution.Apr 27 19:28
schestowitzPetoKraus: did you see his post about me?Apr 27 19:28
PetoKrausyeah, there was somethingApr 27 19:28
PetoKrausi didn't quite get itApr 27 19:28
tessier_Less oxygen in the air means less fuel you can burn per hour. At least in the non turbine planes I usually fly.Apr 27 19:29
PetoKrausahApr 27 19:29
PetoKrausyeahApr 27 19:29
PetoKrausmonoApr 27 19:29
PetoKraus:)Apr 27 19:29
schestowitzyeApr 27 19:29
schestowitztessier: yes, we burn up fossils :-)Apr 27 19:29
schestowitzHow about a solar airplane? I kid....Apr 27 19:29
schestowitzWorks well for satellites though. One you use up rockets to get them intstalled up there in orbitApr 27 19:30
PetoKrauswell they don't burn that much energyApr 27 19:31
PetoKrausalmost nothing on propulsion....Apr 27 19:32
tessier_Satellites use hydrazine for propulsion usually. VERY nasty stuff. The solar panels are only to power computers, transmitters, etc.Apr 27 19:33
tessier_Solar powered airplane is being worked on but will never work for high performance/airliner type applications. Even if the solar panels were 100% efficient on a bright sunny day they wouldn't make a dent in the energy needs of the airplane.Apr 27 19:33
tessier_Solar powered plane is good for glider-like drones and reconnaissance planes and perhaps most importantly communication relays.Apr 27 19:34
schestowitzThis one smells like Microsoft publicity stunt: 27 19:35
schestowitzThey used such stunts in the UKApr 27 19:36
schestowitztessier: they can maybe get just part of the power from the sun, but just negligible amounts incertain weatherApr 27 19:37
schestowitzThey say it takes more energy yo produce panels than they'll ever produce in their operative lifetimeApr 27 19:37
trmancowowApr 27 19:39
trmancoOOo presentation really had some good improvementsApr 27 19:39
tessier_schestowitz: Not sure about the energy thing. The cost of the energy used has to be figured into the purchase price of the solar panels otherwise the company making them is losing money.Apr 27 19:39
trmancoImpress*Apr 27 19:40
tessier_So if the solar panel can produce enough energy to pay for itself and then some you are ahead and it was good for the environment as far as energy/carbon goes.Apr 27 19:40
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schestowitzThis one's pretty nice: 27 19:43
DaemonFCSierra used to make good gamesApr 27 19:44
DaemonFCthey've kind of backed away from thatApr 27 19:44
schestowitztessier: same for Ethanol energy, says StallmanApr 27 19:44
schestowitztrmanco: yes, major liftApr 27 19:44
schestowitzin 3.1 (out any moment)Apr 27 19:44
DaemonFCI've noticed the proprietary software industry all has one thing in commonApr 27 19:44
DaemonFCrevising what they already sold you by 5-10% and selling it to you again for full priceApr 27 19:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: back from that?Apr 27 19:45
schestowitzThey're deadApr 27 19:45
schestowitzSierra-> Sierra Online> RIPApr 27 19:45
schestowitzI grew up on their gamesApr 27 19:45
DaemonFCthey had ohhhhh....what was that?Apr 27 19:45
DaemonFCthe one where you were some paranormal SWAT agent killing possessed marines in some kind of CIA psyops thingApr 27 19:45
DaemonFCuhhhhhApr 27 19:46
DaemonFChelp me out here?Apr 27 19:46
schestowitzThere's info ont eh WebApr 27 19:46
schestowitzThey gave the sound awayApr 27 19:46
schestowitzI have LOADS of Sierra soundtracks on my HDDsApr 27 19:46
DaemonFCI beat that game, there's a sequelApr 27 19:46
DaemonFCbut that's their only really good franchise this decade :PApr 27 19:46
schestowitzIceman?Apr 27 19:46
DaemonFCnoApr 27 19:46
schestowitzWhich year?Apr 27 19:47
tessier_schestowitz: Is RMS a fan of ethanol energy or no?Apr 27 19:47
schestowitzNoApr 27 19:47
schestowitzHe says it's better to feed peopleApr 27 19:47
tessier_I see. Me neither.Apr 27 19:47
tessier_I agree.Apr 27 19:47
schestowitzThe US could feed the whole worldApr 27 19:47
schestowitzGates invests in ethanol.Apr 27 19:47
DaemonFCthe name is escaping meApr 27 19:47
DaemonFCbut that was a good gameApr 27 19:47
schestowitzGates  also invests in companies that capitalise on death and diseaseApr 27 19:47
tessier_I don't know about the whole world but a large part of it. Unfortunately there are economic and logistical issues in the way.Apr 27 19:47
schestowitzAnd governments tooApr 27 19:47
schestowitzIf you bring more food to the hungry they might just deliver more babiesApr 27 19:48
schestowitzThat's what the scientists sayApr 27 19:48
tessier_They have little incentive not to.Apr 27 19:48
tessier_Need to get the whole world educated and give people careers.Apr 27 19:49
tessier_In most parts of the world your children are your retirement plan.Apr 27 19:49
tessier_And you need for or five of them at least to support you. It's like a giant ever growing ponzi scheme.Apr 27 19:49
tessier_I have a friend in Mexico with 16 brothers and sisters.Apr 27 19:49
tessier_It's a mess.Apr 27 19:49
schestowitzThe US could contain a population of 2 billion, I reckonApr 27 19:49
DaemonFCFEARApr 27 19:49
tessier_I hope it never does.Apr 27 19:49
DaemonFCthat's it!Apr 27 19:49
DaemonFC 27 19:50
DaemonFCI really hope that doesn't happenApr 27 19:50
DaemonFCthe planning and infrastructure here isn't good enoughApr 27 19:50
schestowitzDaemonFC: I didn't play itApr 27 19:50
DaemonFCyou have some cities with populations more than some statesApr 27 19:50
tessier_DaemonFC: Sadly, the planning and infrastructure here are better than most places in the world.Apr 27 19:51
tessier_My wife (moved here from Vietnam two years ago) still marvels.Apr 27 19:51
DaemonFCthe city of Los Angeles, California has about 8 million people, and about 16 million if you count the suburb areasApr 27 19:51
DaemonFCthe state of Indiana has about 6.5 millionApr 27 19:51
DaemonFCthe whole state!Apr 27 19:51
tessier_Indiana is a lot of corn fields.Apr 27 19:51
tessier_Los Angeles is none.Apr 27 19:51
tessier_There's your difference.Apr 27 19:51
tessier_My whole family lives in Indiana and I will visit there again this June or July.Apr 27 19:52
DaemonFCWisconsin has about 680,000 peopleApr 27 19:52
DaemonFCless than 1 /12th the population of the largest city in the USApr 27 19:52
schestowitzNovell could make Linux more like Windows to make patent liabilities (Novell has 'IP')Apr 27 19:52
DaemonFCmaybe their own Linux distributionApr 27 19:52
tessier_ 27 19:53
tessier_My wife in IndianaApr 27 19:53
DaemonFCbut that would only make them liable for their own infringementsApr 27 19:53
DaemonFCunless someone else is stupid enough to distribute thatApr 27 19:53
DaemonFCI have my doubts about whether Microsoft could sue and win anything over MonoApr 27 19:53
schestowitztessier: tall corn :-)Apr 27 19:53
DaemonFCand I think they do tooApr 27 19:53
DaemonFCor they would have suedApr 27 19:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: no need to sueApr 27 19:54
schestowitzExtortApr 27 19:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: no, they let it be absorbed fistApr 27 19:54
schestowitzOne dependency after anotherApr 27 19:54
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schestowitzTomboy, f-spot, banshee in UbuntuApr 27 19:54
zoobabprahahello from PrahaApr 27 19:55
zoobabprahaEPO conference tomorrowApr 27 19:55
DaemonFChmmmApr 27 19:55
zoobabprahaexFFII predident speaking thereApr 27 19:55
zoobabprahathere was a conference on Patents and SMEs todayApr 27 19:55
schestowitzzoobabpraha: who's there?Apr 27 19:55
schestowitzFor the IPorgy?Apr 27 19:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: I found that if Vista is swallowing your free disk space, it's almost always cause of System RestoreApr 27 19:56
DaemonFCand you have to use the command line to restrict the space it usesApr 27 19:56
DaemonFCelse it takes 15% of the diskApr 27 19:56
DaemonFCso by default it would reserve 75 gigs of my 500 gig driveApr 27 19:57
DaemonFCeven though 2 gigs is enough to make 4-6 restore pointsApr 27 19:57
schestowitzIn Mandriva it's disabled by defaultApr 27 19:57
schestowitzAuto-backupsApr 27 19:57
DaemonFCby default, Vista takes enough to make between 200-500 restore pointsApr 27 19:57
DaemonFCwhich is just ridiculousApr 27 19:58
DaemonFC75 gigs is a lot of disk space, but to Vista it's spare change :PApr 27 19:58
DaemonFCif you get a TB disk, it would reserve 150 gigsApr 27 19:59
schestowitzI ahrdly use my disk spaceApr 27 19:59
DaemonFCcause there is no capApr 27 19:59
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schestowitzJust culmulateive backups on externalsApr 27 19:59
schestowitz*cumulativeApr 27 19:59
trmanco 27 19:59
DaemonFCSystem Restore on Vista is like a seat belt in a Ford PintoApr 27 19:59
zoobabprahaAlberto is going to speak tomorrowApr 27 19:59
trmancodid you vacuum you're firefox?Apr 27 19:59
DaemonFCturning it off removes what little protections Vista gives youApr 27 19:59
zoobabprahagoogle for PatinnovaApr 27 19:59
DaemonFCschestowitz: I know why Microsoft did itApr 27 20:00
DaemonFCpretty sure it was to punish people that prefer sector by sector imaging of the volumeApr 27 20:00
DaemonFCand to spur sales of larger hard disks than people needApr 27 20:00
DaemonFCyou can still use something like NTI Backupnow if you turn off System Restore before using itApr 27 20:01
DaemonFCand let it purge the restore pointsApr 27 20:02
DaemonFCotherwise you'll need about 20 extra DVDs for all the volume shadow crapApr 27 20:02
DaemonFCB-)Apr 27 20:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: I figure at some point Microsoft will simply refuse to reactivate older copies of Windows that are out of mainline supportApr 27 20:04
DaemonFCso doing sector backups are probably the only way to guard against thatApr 27 20:06
schestowitzzoobab01: is AlbertoB president?Apr 27 20:06
DaemonFCWindows will be trivial to pirate as long as they leave back doors for mass activation for big OEMsApr 27 20:07
DaemonFCso I wish they'd jsut knock this crap off already :PApr 27 20:07
schestowitzThey make it easyApr 27 20:07
schestowitzOn purposeApr 27 20:07
schestowitzProvided it reached only those who would not pay anywayApr 27 20:07
schestowitzThey admit thisApr 27 20:08
DaemonFCall you have to do is hex edit your BIOS with like 2 lines added to the ACPI sectionApr 27 20:08
schestowitzWindows licence is like an airline ticketApr 27 20:08
DaemonFCI mean how much easier could this state of the art crap be to get past? :PApr 27 20:08
schestowitzIt's better to fly people cheap than to have empty seatsApr 27 20:08
schestowitzSo Microsoft tries to set the prices such that people pay as much as they are WILLING to payApr 27 20:08
schestowitzIf they won't pay, Microsoft ensures the street corner has some dodgy guy with 50 cent CDsApr 27 20:09
DaemonFCright, which is why they look away when end users buy "OEM copies"Apr 27 20:09
schestowitzThe Vista CD, not the rapper :-)Apr 27 20:09
schestowitzI'd take the music CDApr 27 20:09
schestowitzVista is a waste of data, but it has a nice design to it (the CD/plastic, not the OS)Apr 27 20:09
DaemonFCWell, if you look at XP to Vista, they actually made Vista easier to mass pirateApr 27 20:09
schestowitz"Pirate"?Apr 27 20:10
schestowitzcopyApr 27 20:10
schestowitzThat's what they want rememberApr 27 20:10
DaemonFCbecause XP made them use a small set of volume license keys and eventually MS could figure out something fishy was happening and ban all of themApr 27 20:10
schestowitzSpread the 'standard'Apr 27 20:10
DaemonFCbut with Vista's OA 2.0 activation, you can use the same key millions of timesApr 27 20:10
schestowitzThe goal is to spread it, not to accuse people of attacking shipsApr 27 20:10
DaemonFCby flashing the BIOS firstApr 27 20:10
DaemonFC:PApr 27 20:10
DaemonFCand MS can't tell and if they shut you out, they'd kill off millions of valkid copiesApr 27 20:11
schestowitzHold ob.Apr 27 20:11
schestowitzI have something new to show youApr 27 20:11
schestowitzFrom SJVNApr 27 20:11
schestowitz 27 20:11
schestowitz"It's funny that some people actually think that anyone is "pirating" Windows 7 betas. It's clear that Microsoft is deliberately leaking them to build up buzz around the new operating system. Don't believe me?"Apr 27 20:11
schestowitz"Then why does Microsoft give away free authentication keys that will let any copy of Windows 7 work? If the company didn't want those copies of Windows 7 out there, it wouldn't do that. This tactic is fairly subtle: By making people work -- but not too hard -- to get copies of Windows 7, Microsoft is leading them to believe that they're onto something special."Apr 27 20:11
schestowitz"And since it has been a long, long time since anyone thought there was something special about Windows, this is savvy marketing on Microsoft's part. "Apr 27 20:11
DaemonFCWell, essentially Vista locks up the front door like Fort KnoxApr 27 20:11
DaemonFCbut leaves the service entrance wide openApr 27 20:12
DaemonFC:PApr 27 20:12
schestowitzNot just for key of activiationApr 27 20:12
schestowitzAlso for remote accesssApr 27 20:12
schestowitzGoogle "CIPAV" for detailsApr 27 20:12
DaemonFCthey have so many services running that ANHYONE could go in and turn off 10-15 they don't needApr 27 20:12
DaemonFCeasilyApr 27 20:12
DaemonFCthey even still have NetBIOS and modem speakerphone turned on by defaultApr 27 20:13
PetoKraus 27 20:13
PetoKrausoh god, he's nutsApr 27 20:13
DaemonFCI can't think of a more useless service to have runningApr 27 20:13
schestowitz"BillyG noted an RMS"Apr 27 20:13
schestowitzPoints to Google.comApr 27 20:13
schestowitzPetoKraus: RMS is rightApr 27 20:14
DaemonFCschestowitz: I still wonder what nasty things they'll be doing to make Windows 7 unnecessarily incompatible with VistaApr 27 20:14
schestowitzI didn't see the articleApr 27 20:14
DaemonFCbut at the same time making it backwards compatibleApr 27 20:14
PetoKrausschestowitz: well i'm reading TFAApr 27 20:14
schestowitzPetoKraus: he's totally rightApr 27 20:14
schestowitzHe concern is freedomApr 27 20:14
schestowitzSnooping is EEEEEEEEEEEASY with SAASApr 27 20:15
schestowitzJust to to datacentre and access people's accountApr 27 20:15
schestowitzLike mailbox, documents, history, etc.Apr 27 20:15
schestowitzPerfect surveillanceApr 27 20:15
DaemonFCWell, you had XP running software clear back to Windows 3.0Apr 27 20:15
PetoKrauswell that's trueApr 27 20:15
DaemonFCbut all of a sudden XP software has problems in Vista and such major problems that 7 is getting its own virtual copy of XPApr 27 20:15
schestowitzIt's a wet dream also to media companies that check what you do, what you listen to, how much you CAN be charged per month, etc.Apr 27 20:15
schestowitzPrivacy has its reasonsApr 27 20:16
schestowitzConstitution likewiseApr 27 20:16
schestowitzPeople learned from mistakes and dangers, then put it in textApr 27 20:16
schestowitzSome are intended to prevent police of corporations taking over the countryApr 27 20:16
DaemonFCschestowitz: Most of the "security work" in Vista was stuff that had been obviously messed up since at least Windows 98Apr 27 20:16
schestowitzLike when the Reichstag was burned down and the population stopped caring about snoops because it was like a 9/11 experience/ordealApr 27 20:17
schestowitzThey became apathetic to SA/Stasi. Some of those snoops that increase suggest it's heading the wrong way nowApr 27 20:17
PetoKraushmmApr 27 20:17
DaemonFCthe whole way ActiveX was designed to work was to run program code in IE with little more than a signature that anyone could buy for $200Apr 27 20:17
schestowitzCheck what just happened in the UKApr 27 20:17
PetoKrausit seems i don't really know what's this SAAS thingApr 27 20:17
schestowitzFrom today's news...Apr 27 20:17
PetoKraus:)Apr 27 20:17
DaemonFCso now they have to sandbox IE and give the user like 4-5 warning screens to run a pluginApr 27 20:17 to spend €£2bn on ISP tracking < >Apr 27 20:18
schestowitzASLO VOIP!!!!!Apr 27 20:18
PetoKrausHis point is not to use Google Docs to edit your private documents, and not to use Gmail to send your private mails, or to be more specific - not to let them become a replacement for your office suite and mail client/server.Apr 27 20:18
schestowitzSo I assume Skype already has back doors/keys for the British policeApr 27 20:18
schestowitzThe Italian police had no accessApr 27 20:18
schestowitzThe Austrian/German police is rumoured to have keysApr 27 20:18
DaemonFCI tried Skype recentlyApr 27 20:18
schestowitzIn China they read Skype chat (confirmed by Skype)Apr 27 20:18
DaemonFCit's pretty badApr 27 20:18
schestowitzIn the UK all phonecalls go into hard-drives in a private UK companyApr 27 20:19
DaemonFCby bad I mean that it's jsut another instant messenger that can make calls to phones tooApr 27 20:19
DaemonFCjust like Yahoo or Windows LiveApr 27 20:19
schestowitzYotrkshite has a base (maybe USian) that copies UK E-mailsApr 27 20:19
schestowitz*YorkshireApr 27 20:19
DaemonFCEchelon/CarnivoreApr 27 20:19
DaemonFCyepApr 27 20:19
schestowitzPetoKraus: yes,exactly. That's what Skype is.Apr 27 20:19
schestowitzSIP is the keyApr 27 20:19
DaemonFCMicrosoft denies putting backdoors in Vista for the police, but I know they doApr 27 20:20
DaemonFCfor a factApr 27 20:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: NOPEApr 27 20:20
schestowitzMicrosoft admitted thisApr 27 20:20
schestowitzWith GartnerApr 27 20:20
DaemonFCbecause a police detective showed me a decryption device Microsoft sells to the policeApr 27 20:20
schestowitzShow me where LiarsofRemind(R) deny thiosApr 27 20:20
schestowitzThey call it COFEEApr 27 20:20
schestowitzIIRCApr 27 20:20
DaemonFCthat will make your encrypted volume sing like Tweety BirdApr 27 20:20
schestowitzStands for somethingApr 27 20:20
schestowitzPolice gets USB keys to bypass all protectionsApr 27 20:20
schestowitzBitKeeper tooApr 27 20:20
schestowitzAnd Scoble the idiot attacked me for saying thisApr 27 20:21
schestowitzAlthough later it turned out to be TRUEApr 27 20:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: I have an iron keyApr 27 20:21
DaemonFCif they try to tamper with it, it will destroy itselfApr 27 20:21
schestowitzScoble lives in Tellytubby land of RedmondApr 27 20:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: the issue is this:Apr 27 20:22
DaemonFCbrute force attack probably won't work if the key destroys itself after 3 wrong guesses in a rowApr 27 20:22
schestowitzAs Schneier pointed out at the time, crackers will get hold of these keysApr 27 20:22
schestowitzSome cop will lose oneApr 27 20:22
schestowitzOr might even sell one and pretend to have lost itApr 27 20:22
DaemonFCunless they happen to guess my password with 3 triesApr 27 20:22
DaemonFCI doubt thatApr 27 20:22
schestowitzThen they can make copies of those keysApr 27 20:22
schestowitzWhich is just why Microsoft is mentally incompetentApr 27 20:22
schestowitzSending around key to exploit the back doors it itself createdApr 27 20:22
schestowitzThey can also intrude remotelytApr 27 20:23
schestowitzNo need for keyApr 27 20:23
DaemonFCMicrosoft tells the police to take all your USB keys tooApr 27 20:23
DaemonFCif they seize your systemApr 27 20:23
schestowitzNeedless to say, they won't like Linux distro all that muchApr 27 20:23
DaemonFCand SD cards and suchApr 27 20:23
schestowitzIn Boston, you're a suyspected criminal for having a CLI on the screenApr 27 20:23
DaemonFCI noticedApr 27 20:23
schestowitzRMS wrote about itApr 27 20:24
DaemonFCand what's funny is that this could have been the command line in WindowsApr 27 20:24
PetoKrausschestowitz: it depends what uniApr 27 20:24
PetoKraus;)Apr 27 20:24
schestowitzSomething like, "I suspect he was using GNU/Linux"Apr 27 20:24
schestowitzWhen the Boycott Novell protest hit India RMS was impressedApr 27 20:24
DaemonFCthe EFF wrote about thatApr 27 20:24
schestowitzHe said it was the first time a Free software protest that's friendly BTW was met with forceful resistance from the policeApr 27 20:24
DaemonFCof course it wasApr 27 20:25
PetoKraus"When one article called me the "father of open source", I responded that if I am, it was conceived via artificial insemination using purloined sperm. "Apr 27 20:25
PetoKraus+++++Apr 27 20:25
DaemonFCthe last thing India wants to lose is all the jobs MS is sending from developed nations to themApr 27 20:25
schestowitzAnd recently we had Greenpeace activists here attacked by the police proactively for daring to protest against a multinationalApr 27 20:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: Vista7 is made in BangaloreApr 27 20:25
schestowitzPalm outsourced to Bangalore tooApr 27 20:26
schestowitzPalmOne whetever..Apr 27 20:26
schestowitzI post interviews about it these days in BN links (daily)Apr 27 20:26
DaemonFCschestowitz: Those DirectShow Xiph codecs work on VistaApr 27 20:27
DaemonFCI'm playing some FLAC in Windows Media Player :PApr 27 20:28
schestowitzPetoKraus: that RMS interview (Stallman discusses Free Software and GPLv3 < > ) is old. I saw it before.Apr 27 20:31
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schestowitzSounds like some "BillyG" from /. is trying to flame people against RMSApr 27 20:31
PetoKrausyeah, it's 2 weeksApr 27 20:31
*schestowitz never used FLACApr 27 20:31
PetoKrausthe summary was quite poorly writtenApr 27 20:31
schestowitzDon't give me flackApr 27 20:31
DaemonFC 27 20:31
PetoKrausOOOH BURNS MY EYESApr 27 20:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's VistaXPApr 27 20:32
schestowitzXP start menu made a circleApr 27 20:32
DaemonFC:PApr 27 20:32
schestowitzNew icons on desktopApr 27 20:32
schestowitzDark theme for that useless long thing (panel) Winders hasApr 27 20:32
schestowitzScrollbars still VERY uglyApr 27 20:32
schestowitzSame as XP'sApr 27 20:33
schestowitzAlmostApr 27 20:33
schestowitzPanel looks like KDE4Apr 27 20:33
schestowitzPanel looks like KDE4'sApr 27 20:33
schestowitzBut KDE4 beat them to itApr 27 20:33
schestowitz2007Apr 27 20:33
DaemonFC 27 20:34
*schestowitz saw XP totally crashing today. Spontaneous combustion.Apr 27 20:34
DaemonFCoverclockedApr 27 20:34
DaemonFC:PApr 27 20:34
schestowitzOh, so it's VistaApr 27 20:34
DaemonFCmmhmApr 27 20:34
schestowitz"Windoiws is activated" LOLApr 27 20:35
DaemonFCit is tooApr 27 20:35
schestowitzWhat does that even mean?Apr 27 20:35
schestowitz"Shields on, Captain"Apr 27 20:35
DaemonFCit's activated :)Apr 27 20:35
schestowitzVoyage begins into "ask for Genuine"Apr 27 20:35
DaemonFCit will stay that way tooApr 27 20:35
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schestowitzI just love Vista. It makes Windows look sooo retardedApr 27 20:36
DaemonFCCD Burner XP to compensate for the still-minimal disc burning Windows hasApr 27 20:36
DaemonFC:)Apr 27 20:36
DaemonFCmeh, XP was much uglierApr 27 20:36
DaemonFCat least Vista doesn't have the Bozo The Clown themeApr 27 20:37
DaemonFCyou'd think that for $400 it could burn an ISOApr 27 20:38
schestowitzXP can be rethemedApr 27 20:38
DaemonFCbut it still needs third party software :PApr 27 20:38
schestowitzSame with GNU/LinuxApr 27 20:38
schestowitzMy desktop is dark QtApr 27 20:38
schestowitzWell, Pirillo et al squeal like bats at the mere sight of Vista. It has them ditch Windows.Apr 27 20:38
schestowitzApple's defaults themes are nice Apr 27 20:38
schestowitzBut looks are skin deepApr 27 20:38
schestowitzThird Party = not Microsoft, not invented hereApr 27 20:39
schestowitzUbuntu has no "third parties"Apr 27 20:39
schestowitzIt has "software"Apr 27 20:39
Balrogisn't there an unsupported 'third party' repo?Apr 27 20:39
DaemonFCyesApr 27 20:40
DaemonFCthere isApr 27 20:40
DaemonFC:)Apr 27 20:40
schestowitzNew: XP SP3 Doesn't Play Nice with Heavy I/O Operations on NTFS Volumes < >Apr 27 20:40
Balroginteresting ... the X11 for mac team reported 'changes in X11 in 10.5.7' ... when 10.5.7 is not yet released ...Apr 27 20:41
Balrog=PApr 27 20:41
schestowitzIs ext4 the new kde4?Apr 27 20:42
Balrogit's notApr 27 20:42
DaemonFCext4 will either dazzle you or eat all your dataApr 27 20:43
schestowitzSomeone's complainingApr 27 20:43
DaemonFCperhaps even in that orderApr 27 20:43
Balrogext4 isn't being forced on people like KDE4 was (well at least there's still the option to use ext3 form most people)Apr 27 20:43
DaemonFC 27 20:43
DaemonFCthere's still an option to use ext2Apr 27 20:43
DaemonFCyour choice :PApr 27 20:43
schestowitz"davidgerard@schestowitz ext4 not playing nice with kde/gnome and the devs blaming the apps these foolish humans want to run really put people off it."  about 1 hour ago from web in reply to schestowitzApr 27 20:43
DaemonFCReply: If I wanted my data to be in SQLite, I wouldn't care about the f-ing file systemApr 27 20:44
DaemonFCB-)Apr 27 20:44
schestowitzOpera bug?Apr 27 20:44
Balrogdoesn't it have to do with fsync() ?Apr 27 20:44
schestowitzWindows Media Player is a lamer-playerApr 27 20:44
schestowitzNow with extra DRMApr 27 20:44
schestowitzYayApr 27 20:45
schestowitzAmarok puts it to shameApr 27 20:45
DaemonFCsomeone from Microsoft told me that the restriction on third party codecs was only for the betaApr 27 20:45
schestowitzKoaffeine with so many codecs also is powerful.Apr 27 20:45
schestowitz*KaffeineApr 27 20:45
DaemonFCbut will be removed in the release of 7Apr 27 20:45
DaemonFCI asked why DivX and other commercial codecs workedApr 27 20:45
DaemonFCthey did not replyApr 27 20:45
schestowitzThey has major MP3 issuesApr 27 20:45
schestowitzFiles deletes in prebetaApr 27 20:46
schestowitz*tedApr 27 20:46
schestowitzMaybe it's a MAFIAA antifeatureApr 27 20:46
schestowitzIf {user.Contains(MP3)} then echo("Pirate!")Apr 27 20:46
schestowitzThey cirrently try to characterise RealNetworks like it's a "hacker" companyApr 27 20:47
DaemonFCwhy would anyone use MP3?Apr 27 20:47
schestowitzFor allowing peolple to just back up their DVDs that they paid forApr 27 20:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: I still have some old MP3sApr 27 20:47
DaemonFCremember the Microsoft PLUS Pack for XP?Apr 27 20:48
DaemonFCthey threw in a utility to "save disk space" by converting all your MP3s into 64k WMAApr 27 20:48
DaemonFCcause it sounds just as good don't you know?Apr 27 20:48
DaemonFC;)Apr 27 20:48
DaemonFCmaybe if you have the hearing of Helen KellerApr 27 20:49
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Well, it makes sense to have DirectShow codecs for free formatsApr 27 20:54
DaemonFClike say I want to make a video game for Windows which uses directshow but I want my audio to be VorbisApr 27 20:55
DaemonFCand it's probably easier to ask someone to install a codec than switch playersApr 27 20:55
schestowitzPLUS?Apr 27 20:56
schestowitzThey still have that?Apr 27 20:56
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schestowitzI remember it from win95, which I usedApr 27 20:56
schestowitzWindows Movie Maker is there for a reasonApr 27 20:57
schestowitzIt's not to help creating moviesApr 27 20:57
schestowitzIt's to spread a disease of patents and lockin known as WMVApr 27 20:57
schestowitzAnother large deployment of GNU/Linux: 27 20:58
DaemonFC 27 20:59
trmancothat has been removed from 7 right?Apr 27 20:59
schestowitzWant a high wage? Study Linux (now's the time): 27 21:00
trmanco"Generally, noncertified skills in Linux, Apache, and Sybase saw an increase of between 25 to 28 percent, while professionals with uncertified skills in the areas of PHP, SAP and Unix saw their pay increase by more than 14 percent." :DApr 27 21:01
trmancogood newsApr 27 21:01
trmancoWMP 12 is still catching upApr 27 21:06
trmancoit will never get as good as VLC for exampleApr 27 21:07
schestowitzYesApr 27 21:07
trmancoeven thought they are different kind of appsApr 27 21:07
schestowitzFor all sorts of reasonsApr 27 21:07
schestowitzNot just techniucalApr 27 21:07
schestowitzMicrosoft is being its own enemyApr 27 21:07
schestowitzPlasmafied K3b 2.0 is coming: 27 21:08
schestowitzMandriva is powering computing grids (no PR about it): 27 21:09
trmancoschestowitz, you're replying to a troll?Apr 27 21:14
trmancosomething fishy is going onApr 27 21:14
schestowitzWhere?Apr 27 21:18
trmanco"IBM to Build SuperComputer To Play Jeopardy."Apr 27 21:18
schestowitzNot a troll.Apr 27 21:19
trmancoit's garyApr 27 21:19
schestowitzOh, is it using another proxy now?Apr 27 21:19
schestowitzLet me check headersApr 27 21:19
trmancothe email, I have it killed for a whileApr 27 21:19
schestowitz"Organisation: Jupiter"Apr 27 21:20
schestowitzI kill not by mozarellaApr 27 21:20
schestowitzSome advocates post from there.Apr 27 21:20
schestowitzHPT too, IIRCApr 27 21:20
trmancoi do toApr 27 21:20
schestowitzIt's easy to killfile nymshifers using other headersApr 27 21:21
trmancoI can always catch him because he is always repeating this crap -> 27 21:22
schestowitzThere's another one that's hard to kfApr 27 21:22
schestowitzThe nutter from  IowaApr 27 21:23
schestowitzinspector HPT and stuffApr 27 21:23
schestowitzI just see it as chnaging targetApr 27 21:23
schestowitzI use arbitrary headingApr 27 21:23
trmancoyeah, I had to kill file that nym a couple of times, always changing the damn emailApr 27 21:24
schestowitzDFS -> " Organization:   BellSouth Internet Group"Apr 27 21:24
schestowitzLinux boots in 1 second or less at the Embedded Masterclass -> 27 21:27
DaemonFCSP2 RC is 90 megsApr 27 21:29
DaemonFCif you're up to date with SP1+hotfixes :PApr 27 21:29
DaemonFCI remember beta testing XP SP2Apr 27 21:29
DaemonFCthat was a disasterApr 27 21:29
schestowitzWow. A quarter of a million hits in BN in the past 16 hours :-)Apr 27 21:31
trmancoadd a couple a reboots on top of thatApr 27 21:31
schestowitzI think it's the Mono fans with their knickers twistedApr 27 21:31
schestowitz"Microsoft Moonlight..."Apr 27 21:31
DaemonFCSP2 improves Windows Media Center (WMC) in the area of content protection for TV.Apr 27 21:33
schestowitzGoogle brings in like 2000 visitors/day alsoApr 27 21:33
DaemonFCWhy don't I like how that sounds?Apr 27 21:33
schestowitzprotectionApr 27 21:33
schestowitzto whom? Apr 27 21:33
schestowitzUsers?Apr 27 21:33
schestowitzBroadcast flags.Apr 27 21:33
schestowitzThe blue flag of deathApr 27 21:33
DaemonFCmeh, Avermedia Center doesn't obey thoseApr 27 21:33
schestowitzWell, I don't obey broadcastApr 27 21:34
schestowitzI use YouTube mostlyApr 27 21:34
schestowitzMore choice, less imposed 'infopaganda'Apr 27 21:34
DaemonFCWindows Media Center is too bloated and slow anywayApr 27 21:34
DaemonFCand constantly churns your hared disk to make a "pause buffer" that can't be turned offApr 27 21:35
DaemonFC*hardApr 27 21:35
trmancoFF 3.0.10 is out -> 27 21:47
DaemonFCmore and more security problemsApr 27 21:48
trmancowell, at least they get fixedApr 27 21:49
trmancoand hey get fixed fastApr 27 21:50
trmancothey*Apr 27 21:50
DaemonFCthe $20,000 toilet seats that cause the problems stay in thereApr 27 21:51
DaemonFCthey're a bit like Microsoft in that wayApr 27 21:51
DaemonFCinstalling the SP2 release candidateApr 27 21:53
DaemonFC:PApr 27 21:53
*DaemonFC wonders if the second SP will turn Vista aroundApr 27 21:53
*DaemonFC doubts itApr 27 21:53
DaemonFCXP's had 3 and it still has some of the same bugs that annoyed me 8 years agoApr 27 21:54
trmancowhat do you mean by that?Apr 27 21:54
DaemonFCit's better than it was thoughApr 27 21:54
DaemonFCmeh, you always hear people say hold off for a service packApr 27 21:55
DaemonFCwhich I think it ridiculous that they release it now and let everyone suffer for the first year or so :PApr 27 21:55
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schestowitzMandriva is still at 3.0.8Apr 27 22:05
schestowitzMaybe it's Windows-only problems ;-)Apr 27 22:06
trmanconto reallyApr 27 22:07
trmanconot*Apr 27 22:07
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schestowitzNemesis < >Apr 27 22:24
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schestowitzInteresting notes from this chap: 27 22:49
MinceRgnApr 27 22:53
schestowitzHard start for the week at Microsoft.. 27 23:11
schestowitzWindows needs a medic. 27 23:36
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MinceRno, windows needs euthanasiaApr 27 23:38
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PetoKrausyup, archlinux has ffx 3.0.9, already marked as out of date...Apr 27 23:43
schestowitzMinceR: no, it needs waterboardingApr 27 23:46
tessier_hehApr 27 23:47
tessier_These people who say "But we got some good life saving information from them by waterboarding!" are frightening meApr 27 23:47
tessier_Whether we got useful info out of them or not isn't the point.Apr 27 23:47
tessier_Although I do wonder where we really should draw the line.Apr 27 23:48
tessier_Is making them sit in uncomfortable positions ok? Sensory deprivation? Room without a TV?Apr 27 23:48
tessier_Are we allowed to talk to them sternly?Apr 27 23:48
tessier_Is being imprisoned at all not a form of torture?Apr 27 23:49
schestowitzThere are intl' conventionsApr 27 23:53
schestowitzWithout standards, there's chaosApr 27 23:53
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schestowitzBush passed a law that aquits him of crimes he was about the commitApr 27 23:54
schestowitzA Pentagon guy blew the whistle on that oneApr 27 23:54
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mib_svgvsoI see Yahoo Geocities is gone. Thats almost $3.6billion down the drain....Apr 27 23:57
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schestowitzLast post for today < > . Time for me.sleep(99);...Apr 27 23:58
mib_svgvsoGoodnightApr 27 23:58
GoblinNightApr 27 23:59

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