Bonum Certa Men Certa

A Microsoft-Sponsored Open Source Initiative (OSI)

Mr. Phipps assured me this would not happen after OSI had taken Microsoft's money (despite Microsoft's ongoing attacks on software freedom)

OSI at Microsoft

Summary: Today's Open Source Initiative does not seem so dedicated to software freedom or even to Open Source; money from proprietary software companies can't have helped and the above photo op says it all (OSI Board at Microsoft)

Bruce Perens (Open Source Definition) on Thursday January 2nd at 05:43:15 UTC 2020, quitting his own creation 22 years later:


Well, it seems to me that the organization is rather enthusiastically headed toward accepting a license that isn't freedom respecting. Fine, do it without me, please. I asked Patrick to cancel my membership, and I would have unsubscribed from OSI lists, including this one, if your server was working. I own an interest in 10 Open Source companies and manage a 50 Million dollar portfolio investing in them. That will keep me involved enough.



On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:18 PM Joshua R. Simmons < josh.simmons at> wrote:

> That's out of line, Bruce. I'm not sure where this FUD is coming from, but > it's inappropriate. > > Regardless of my own views, I quite value Bradley's contribution, as well > as Van's engaging the process and responding to criticism in good faith. > > I've been following the discussions closely and, frankly, it seems a > decent model of critical civil discourse. Let's keep it that way. > > (Apologies for the re-send, had to square away some issues with my mailing > list membership.) > > Josh Simmons, VP at Open Source Initiative (Tax ID 91-2037395) > @joshsimmons <> | josh at | 1-707-600-6098 > | bluesomewhere on Freenode > ad astra per aspera 🚀 > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:53 PM Bruce Perens via License-review < > license-review at> wrote: > >> Don't waste your time, Bradley. They were told not to listen to you, >> either. >> >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 6:29 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <bkuhn at> wrote: >> >>> I can't find an example when OSI approved a novel copyleft license that >>> hadn't yet been used in practice and therefore had no track record of use >>> for any FOSS project. It was once somewhat common for OSI to approve >>> licenses that were used by only one entity, and most of those licenses >>> were >>> never used beyond the one project, and even most of those entities have >>> deprecated those by now. (OSI also made a decision to cease considering >>> such single-use licenses.) Rapid acceptance of a novel licenses, so far >>> unused in practice, causes confusion in the FOSS community. >>> >>> Folks have shouted down Bruce as he wonders how Van's license will be >>> used >>> in practice. I think Bruce has made a useful point on this thread: as a >>> general matter, it's relevant that we consider how the license impacts >>> users' *and* software publishers' software freedoms in *practice*, not >>> merely *in theory*. >>> >>> In that regard, I'd like to know if the project that plans to use this >>> license will be inbound=outbound (i.e., is the entity that's promulgating >>> this new license willing to bound themselves by the license terms)? Van, >>> could you tell us, on behalf of your client (who appears to be the only >>> potential licensor interested in this license), what their contribution >>> plans are regarding this license? Are they planning to accept >>> contributions >>> under this license, and thus be bound by it for their FOSS projects? >>> If not, why not? >>> -- >>> >>> Bradley M. Kuhn - he/him >>> >>> Pls. support the charity where I work, Software Freedom Conservancy: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> License-review mailing list >>> License-review at >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bruce Perens - Partner, OSS.Capital. >> _______________________________________________ >> License-review mailing list >> License-review at >> >> >> > -- Bruce Perens - Partner, OSS.Capital.

Press coverage (may misrepresent the above, with context): Bruce Perens quits Open Source Initiative amid row over new data-sharing crypto license: 'We've gone the wrong way with licensing'

In Russian: Брюс Перенс покинул организацию OSI из-за разногласий, касающихся лицензии CAL

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