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| schestowitz | I'll post some links and be done for today. Does anyone know about patents in Silverlight/XAML (codecs aside)? Posted a minute ago: http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Oct 15 00:05 |
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| AlbertoP | silence :) | Oct 15 00:16 |
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| jose | :-) .. no, but we do know of threats. Since Microsoft mostly came up with this particular flavor of technology, I tend not to want to force my way into such sandboxes and instead play elsewhere. | Oct 15 00:19 |
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| AlbertoP | Oo | Oct 15 00:20 |
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| AlbertoP | was that in answer to me? :) | Oct 15 00:20 |
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| jose | The FOSS community can pick what technology succeeds and grows. | Oct 15 00:20 |
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| jose | to you and to roy | Oct 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft toys empower Microsoft. | Oct 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Do it gives .NET... on its own terms. | Oct 15 00:21 |
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| jose | the threats are vague i think. I don't track closely. | Oct 15 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Which are not yet known. | Oct 15 00:21 |
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| AlbertoP | schestowitz, missed the last Geeko shopping? :) | Oct 15 00:21 |
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| jose | roy, i partially apologized in a follow up reply for the initial reply to miguel because i thought it was a little harsh | Oct 15 00:22 |
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| AlbertoP | btw, mono 2.2 is coming | Oct 15 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | AlbertoP: A Geeko is my house would scare girls away. :-) | Oct 15 00:25 |
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| AlbertoP | hehe yes, bug suse Geeko went shopping today :) | Oct 15 00:25 |
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| AlbertoP | http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-to-a... | Oct 15 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Oct 15 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | More capturers for the Vole.. | Oct 15 00:26 |
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| AlbertoP | the what? | Oct 15 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft | Oct 15 00:31 |
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| AlbertoP | brb | Oct 15 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Oct 15 01:13 |
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| mib_21dwba | Since Mr. Schestowitz likes to criticize companies such as Novell and MS for buying back their own stock. How would he explain this article http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/s.... Is it OK for Redhat to do this? | Oct 15 03:12 |
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| AlbertoP | uh...interesting | Oct 15 03:15 |
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| AlbertoP | mib_21dwba, roy is probably sleeping at this time | Oct 15 03:15 |
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| *AlbertoP pats his Geeko | Oct 15 03:16 |
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| mib_21dwba | lol. We all gotta sleep sometime. I'm about to do the same. | Oct 15 03:16 |
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| AlbertoP | mib_21dwba, hehe well I'm "a biased spy, suse user" ^^ | Oct 15 03:17 |
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| AlbertoP | so I can't really answer :P | Oct 15 03:17 |
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| mib_21dwba | hahaha. Honestly I use Suse too. | Oct 15 03:18 |
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| mib_21dwba | shh. don't tell anyone though. | Oct 15 03:19 |
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| AlbertoP | ah really? I believed to be the only one remained on the planet | Oct 15 03:19 |
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| AlbertoP | you know... | Oct 15 03:19 |
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| AlbertoP | ;) | Oct 15 03:19 |
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| mib_21dwba | Yep. I think there are a number of us secret spy people using Suse. | Oct 15 03:20 |
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| AlbertoP | yes...we dress in green, we change colour, and we...have a rolled tail ;) | Oct 15 03:21 |
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| mib_21dwba | :D | Oct 15 03:21 |
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| *AlbertoP wants a Geeko | Oct 15 03:22 |
| AlbertoP | a plush of course :P | Oct 15 03:22 |
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| mib_21dwba | Me too. | Oct 15 03:22 |
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| AlbertoP | eh not so easy...it's ages I try to find one | Oct 15 03:22 |
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| mib_21dwba | I think I'll change my text color to green. Will that give me away ;) | Oct 15 03:23 |
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| AlbertoP | they had them at a conference in japan....let me look for a pic | Oct 15 03:23 |
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| mib_21dwba | I have a penguin but sadly no gecko. | Oct 15 03:23 |
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| AlbertoP | yep, me too... | Oct 15 03:23 |
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| mib_21dwba | They give them away at Brainshare but I kept missing them last year. | Oct 15 03:24 |
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| AlbertoP | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jzb/2914139185/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/2912355796/ | Oct 15 03:24 |
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| AlbertoP | hehe...that's what I was thinking...go to brainshare just to get a geeko ^^ | Oct 15 03:24 |
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| mib_21dwba | AlbetoP it has been a pleasure talking to you but now I have to get some sleep. | Oct 15 03:25 |
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| mib_21dwba | darn r AlbertoP. | Oct 15 03:25 |
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| AlbertoP | ok | Oct 15 03:25 |
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| AlbertoP | n8 | Oct 15 03:25 |
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| twitter | Suse users, sheesh. | Oct 15 04:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Shill Alert: "For the most part, I'd ignore the Linux devices. " < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/1... > | Oct 15 07:34 |
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| schestowitz | Michael Gartenberg is a former Microsoft employee (evangelist) | Oct 15 07:35 |
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| schestowitz | It says nothing about him being a Microsoft shill and it's far from the first time that he bashes Linux in the press. | Oct 15 07:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/linux_still_doesnt... | Oct 15 07:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html# : "Venezuela needs strict limits on foreign funding of political activity, because this is a method commonly used by Bush to destabilize other countries. These limits should be established by law." | Oct 15 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | More .NET/Mono people at Novell: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Oct-14-1.html | Oct 15 08:16 |
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| benJIman | \o/ | Oct 15 08:19 |
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| schestowitz | Europe goes SPLAT today (again!): http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia | Oct 15 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe | Oct 15 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/13/51769 > Public Perception and the Economy Past ... < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/14/51795 > Examples of US Industry Nationalization [...] "An article outlining past examples of where the government stepped in and took over an industry or set of companies because of some emergency." | Oct 15 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | I've just noticed that 5 times a day people search for "mono trap" and end up in BN. Why would they search for "mono trap" in the first place? | Oct 15 09:04 |
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| schestowitz | This is insane < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/14/google-... >: "Google is reportedly blocking use of it's Chrome browser (among other applications like Google Talk and Gmail Notifier) in some countries with which the United States has economic sanctions and export controls with. "We are unable to permit the download of Google Chrome in Cuba, Syria, North Korea, Iran, and Sudan," says a Go | Oct 15 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | ogle Spokesperson." | Oct 15 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7667610.stm | Oct 15 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-FOSS czar at Microsoft: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10065378-9... | Oct 15 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10066000-92... "Shares of Amazon.com sold off sharply Tuesday, and Apple failed to swim against the tide despite rolling out a revamped MacBook line, as the broader markets gave up gains from its stellar performance a day earlier." | Oct 15 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | iTunes boycott: AC/DC's iTunes boycott is on Highway to Hell < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10066360-93.html?... > | Oct 15 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | Great picture here: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008... | Oct 15 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | ECT allow businesses to plant self-promotional fluff yet again (Simon Crosby of Citrix): http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64796.html <--- Informercial | Oct 15 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | Your 'friend' Meeks is helping the creation of a fair bit of FUD, benJIman: http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_version_3_0... | Oct 15 10:12 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | schestowitz: do you like the new openoffice> | Oct 15 10:16 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | *? | Oct 15 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | I don't use OpenOffice. I used it some months ago for a spreadsheet, though. I refer TeX. | Oct 15 10:17 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | oh, ok. Have you heard anything from Microsoft about mono | Oct 15 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | No, I'll resend soon. | Oct 15 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | They keep harping about Moonlight now... pretending that Silverlight works in Linux (it's not), for press purposes. | Oct 15 10:23 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | dam, will be interesting to see what they say. | Oct 15 10:23 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | have you seen http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JEUrQEj6Sd4 , completely forgets about linux, when he calls Silverlight crossplatform | Oct 15 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's Microsoft. They spin and lie. | Oct 15 10:26 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | true | Oct 15 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/micr... : Microsoft Redefines “Cross-platform”: Mac + Win32 | Oct 15 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | European markets still down 2-3% today. Wal Street will probably be the same when it opens. | Oct 15 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | More Mono 'boosting' < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/progra... >, BUT.... don't miss this nugget of information: "Disclosure of Justin’s industry affiliations: Justin James has a working arrangement with Microsoft to write an article for MSDN Magazine." | Oct 15 10:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mono -- loved by... Microsoft people and Microsoft fans. Yes, it sure is 'loved' by a lot of people. | Oct 15 10:34 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | yeah | Oct 15 10:40 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | All major markets (RHT, NOVL, MSFT, GOOG) were down today | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | ATM all are even | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. The govt. are too ashamed to admit their failures. | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | well it is bush your talking about ;) | Oct 15 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | They move into some sort of neo-socialism that facilitates corruption... and deny doing any wrong. | Oct 15 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'm fair of a fan of fascism of communism, but this quote caught my eyes: " the recurrent business cycle crises of capitalism were inevitable results of the system's operations. In this view, all that the government can do is to change the timing of economic crises. The crisis could also show up in a different form, for example as severe inflation or a steadily increasing government deficit. Worse, by delaying a crisis, government | Oct 15 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | policy is seen as making it more dramatic and thus more painful." | Oct 15 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Quoted in http://www.beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... . Just consider the US debt. I don't know what it's like in Australia. | Oct 15 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Typoe there. Meant to type "I'm far from a fan" | Oct 15 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Typos there. Meant to type "I'm far from a fan" | Oct 15 10:44 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 15 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | Bad typos to make. | Oct 15 10:45 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 15 10:46 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | the ausie dollor is down (was 9*c/ USD, now down to 66c/USD) | Oct 15 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | USD: does anyone still use it? | Oct 15 10:48 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | Microsoft (or is it the government they use, can never tell these days) | Oct 15 10:49 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | ;) | Oct 15 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not so sure. | Oct 15 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft stores some of its lost fortunes overseas. And those that 'milked' money can have it in an overseas account, the likes of Ballmer included. | Oct 15 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | Linux conference coming to Australia: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS59... | Oct 15 10:53 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | dam it's in Tasmania (not on the main land), I'm in Brisbane | Oct 15 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Aw well... I have a question, maybe you can help. Any search/indexer that's good for KDE? I'm trying to figure out how to improve BN search | Oct 15 11:01 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | mm | Oct 15 11:02 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I use gnome normally | Oct 15 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | I just found this: http://linuxappfinder.com/blog/linux_desktop_search | Oct 15 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | All sort of Mono poison though. | Oct 15 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Kerry, Beagle... .NET cr*p... and Google Desktop is proprietary. | Oct 15 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | This one looks decent, but no indexing is done: http://linuxappfinder.com/package/searchmonkey | Oct 15 11:04 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | http://linuxappfinder.com/package/kat sounds good | Oct 15 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure Kerry Beagle is Mono-infected, despite the association with Beagle. | Oct 15 11:05 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | don't know | Oct 15 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Kat looks good. | Oct 15 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Oct 15 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Kerry is indeed Mono-based. | Oct 15 11:07 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 15 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva comes up with the list of dependencies in the PM. | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | To satisfy dependencies, the following package(s) also need to be installed: | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - beagle-0.3.3-7.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - glib-sharp2-2.12.0-1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - gmime-sharp-2.2.18-1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - gsf-sharp-0.8.1-2mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libchm0-0.39-2mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libgdiplus0-1.2.6-2mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libgluezilla0-1.2.6.1-2.4mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libgmime2.0_2-2.2.18-1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libmono0-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libsqlite0-2.8.17-7mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - libwv-1.2_3-1.2.4-4mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - mono-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - mono-data-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - mono-data-sqlite-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - mono-web-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - mono-winforms-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - ndesk-dbus-0.6.0-1mdv2008.1.noarch | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - ndesk-dbus-glib-0.4.1-1mdv2008.1.noarch | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | - poppler-0.6.4-2.1mdv2008.1.i586 | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | A shame really... must be a good app, but Mono makes it a Nono. | Oct 15 11:08 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | mono-winforms - lol (the part that contains the patients) | Oct 15 11:09 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | is kde4 anygood? | Oct 15 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't installed it yet. | Oct 15 11:11 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | didn't like KDE 4.0 | Oct 15 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/desktop_s... | Oct 15 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | I'm installing Tracker now. | Oct 15 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Be sure to warn people that Beagle is a trap. | Oct 15 11:13 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | will do | Oct 15 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | WTF?? | Oct 15 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Even the Tracker front end appears to require Mono and WInforms. | Oct 15 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Recoll... depends on F* Mono also. | Oct 15 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, my bad. | Oct 15 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's not. | Oct 15 11:28 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 15 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | The PM does something funny, so I had to restart it to prevent unnecessary packages from being installed. Recoll and Tracker don't need Mono. Recoll is indexing my home directory now (may take half a day at this pace) | Oct 15 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Fear for DNS security: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index... (could be used to pass New Laws(TM) | Oct 15 11:39 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I'm looking forward to Firefox 3.1 | Oct 15 12:13 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | because of the new support for the video tag | Oct 15 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'll use it in BN (embedded Ogg). | Oct 15 12:14 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | it's already working in the Beta (not so good with audio ATM) | Oct 15 12:15 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I'll be using it in my websites | Oct 15 12:15 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | it'll be a Silverlight killer | Oct 15 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Don't say that. You'll scare SweatyB. | Oct 15 12:16 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | lol | Oct 15 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | More like a Flash killer anyway. Silverlight is nowhere. | Oct 15 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit... | Oct 15 12:16 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | I was looking at Silverlight last night. It seems that it's possible to make viruses in Silverlight (since Silverlight scripting language is .NET) | Oct 15 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same with COM objects, DirectX and all that malarkey that's tightly correlated to a platform, not a VM. | Oct 15 12:22 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | yeah, so will enterprise IT managers install Silverlight? | Oct 15 12:23 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | knowing the problems | Oct 15 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | No. It's a virus. SL itself is a virus. | Oct 15 12:23 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | true | Oct 15 12:24 |
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| MinceR | are enterprise IT managers aware of that? | Oct 15 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | They use WanKer (OneCare), so it's overlooked. :-p | Oct 15 12:40 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | MinceR: don't think so | Oct 15 12:51 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | anyway going to bed | Oct 15 12:54 |
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| ZiggyFish1 | c ya | Oct 15 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | Whoa. Dow is down 2.5% on the very opening. | Oct 15 13:40 |
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| twitter | ow | Oct 15 14:28 |
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| twitter | the soft dove 10% and has climbed up to a 5% loss, ha ha | Oct 15 14:31 |
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| twitter | woops, erased their loss. Wonder when their buyback money is going to run out. | Oct 15 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.247wallst.com/2008/09/microso... | Oct 15 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | "This new one is through September 30, 2013." They spent $26-45bn on buybacks between late 2006 and some time in 2008, IIRC, so this can run out sooner.. "The company has announced it has authorized debt financings of up to $6 billion..." | Oct 15 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | /s/$26/$36/ | Oct 15 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Digg.com is down. I've also just tried my proxy. | Oct 15 14:39 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Oct 15 17:49 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Oct 15 17:49 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | Oct 15 17:49 |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Oct 15 17:49 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/0... | Oct 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, thanks! | Oct 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: can I please ask you for a favour? I was absent for like 3 hours from this IRC channel. Were you here throughout? | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | yes | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | nothing happened | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Could you please paste everything? | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | (events) | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | well, there is one line from me | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | my logger ran out of space without me noticing. | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | you wanna quits as well? | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, just a big paste. | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/681 | Oct 15 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | OK, thanks. I see it's no activity indeed... | Oct 15 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | <PetoKraus> so apparently, my traffic on the server as the ooxml spec mirror was 69GB | Oct 15 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | <PetoKraus> oh COME ON! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/... | Oct 15 17:56 |
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| PetoKraus | so, should i actually delete the OOXmL specs? | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, please. | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| PetoKraus | you said you had to remove them from mirrors | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, what's the story? | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | The ones I control. | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | No story, nothing done. | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, what happened, that you have to delete them | Oct 15 17:57 |
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| PetoKraus | couldn't find link anywhere, the one you provide on the page is a bit irrelevant | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to aggravate them. I didn't realise it was copyrighted until someone mailed me the HTMLs | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | I never opened the monster. | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| PetoKraus | aha | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| PetoKraus | right. That's fun. | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | I totally forgot other people produced mirrors. | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | It was cycling before I tossed it online anyway | Oct 15 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | It wasn't noticed until 1-2 days later when one of the readers decided to put it on /.. | Oct 15 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i thought it was somewhat implied that standards are there to be distributed | Oct 15 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, same here. | Oct 15 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | I assumed it was behind password to everyone's surpirse (it was a a surprise) | Oct 15 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | The delay, I assumed, was to do with finalisation (assumind it goes public when done). | Oct 15 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Oct 15 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | Got to get something | Oct 15 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | Eek! Wall Street down over 5% today. | Oct 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Novell down 6.5%. Everything is /so/ erratic. | Oct 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | The Great Wall of Australia (they turned Totalitarian like China): http://www.infoworld.com/news/feeds/08/10/13/No-opt-... | Oct 15 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | This equipment was introduced under the disguise of "Think about the Children." Disgusting. They use pedophilia as an excuse to censor the political things. | Oct 15 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | IBM going east... http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/saas/sh... | Oct 15 18:44 |
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| twitter | hardware failure, :'( | Oct 15 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | You? | Oct 15 18:54 |
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| twitter | had a network card fail | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | I think my NVidia card causes me trouble. | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| twitter | do you use the free driver or the 3d accel? | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | No, binary | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| twitter | the free drivers work well. | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | No dual head.. | Oct 15 18:56 |
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| benJIman | The free drivers do have twinview now. | Oct 15 18:56 |
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| twitter | that's what Enlightenment's pagers are for. | Oct 15 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | That's good. Either way, it seems like a possible h/w issue. | Oct 15 18:56 |
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| benJIman | Nouveau that is, supports twinview and has better 2d accelleration than nvidia's drivers. | Oct 15 18:56 |
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| benJIman | Of course, it was written by Novell people, so that might prevent you from using it. | Oct 15 18:57 |
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| twitter | KDE has got a clumsy pager that's getting better. Can't live without pagers | Oct 15 18:57 |
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| benJIman | Though rejecting a GPL driver written by Novell for a proprietary driver that infringes the kernel developers' copyright is laughable. | Oct 15 18:57 |
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| twitter | Software from an untrusted source is not trustworthy even if it's free. | Oct 15 18:58 |
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| twitter | Divide and conquer is what M$'s dealings with Novel are all about. | Oct 15 19:00 |
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| twitter | The same might be said of M$'s dealings with Nvidia, ha ha. | Oct 15 19:00 |
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| twitter | M$ considers everyone "Pawns" and "one night stands" ... I wonder why people work for them knowing this. | Oct 15 19:03 |
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| twitter | schestowitz: you can always get another card to find out. | Oct 15 19:12 |
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| twitter | well, I have a little more work to do to get back up. back in a bit. | Oct 15 19:13 |
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| MinceR | for some people i'd say it's because they started working for m$ before it became bleeding obvious | Oct 15 19:17 |
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| MinceR | for others, i have no idea. | Oct 15 19:17 |
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| MinceR | perhaps greed-induced naivety | Oct 15 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/ns... | Oct 15 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | "NSA's Warrantless Eavesdropping Targets Innocent Americans [..] Remember when the U.S. government said it was only spying on terrorists? Anyone with any common sense knew it was lying -- power without oversight is always abused -- but even I didn't think it was this bad..." | Oct 15 19:32 |
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| brunomiguel | hello :) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Voodoo magic analysts: "Bear in mind, this is breaking a little new ground," added Marcus. "But it's clear that [Patch Tuesday] has some effect on [Microsoft share] value."' http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?co... | Oct 15 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | OhMyGod: "Chambers' may appeal after his suit against God is tossed out [...] You can't sue God if you can't serve the papers on him, a Douglas County District Court judge has ruled in Omaha." http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=... | Oct 15 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Toshiba sells Linux (despite history of being against it) even on high-end models now: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/15/portege_trio/ | Oct 15 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/15/tesla_lay... | Oct 15 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | More genius: Forrester Research lowers IT spending predictions < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10066815... > | Oct 15 20:21 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Oct 15 20:46 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Oct 15 20:46 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | Oct 15 20:46 |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Oct 15 20:46 |
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| twitter | back | Oct 15 21:44 |
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| twitter | :) | Oct 15 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/15/novell-w... Microsoft is down 6% BTW. | Oct 15 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Incredible images of the Sun : http://radar.oreilly.com/assets_c/2008/10/... | Oct 15 21:47 |
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| MinceR | i prefer http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0211/s... | Oct 15 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | It looks surreal. And black bits, too... | Oct 15 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | See if you can spot some pattern on the sun _at some moment_ which resembles a face. Surely that would be proof of human life in Sun (Microsystems?) | Oct 15 21:49 |
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| MinceR | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_s... | Oct 15 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Look < http://www.september11news.com/Faces... >, Satan is in the details. | Oct 15 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | The sun looks so cool. Now, /that's/ one place I'd like to visit sometimes. Do they allow cameras there? | Oct 15 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Some people use the term "Silverblight," which I think I coined. http://www.mixx.com/stories/2459453/media_reality... | Oct 15 21:53 |
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| twitter | :) | Oct 15 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Unless some people thought it up simultaneously, of course. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl... (mostly my posts) Check out http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&... | Oct 15 21:56 |
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| twitter | Don't tarnish your screen with SilverBlight (TM). | Oct 15 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like a slogan/logo | Oct 15 21:58 |
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| twitter | Big black DRM shadowing a gray screen. | Oct 15 22:00 |
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| twitter | maybe just the word RESTRICTIONS | Oct 15 22:00 |
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| twitter | restricted | Oct 15 22:01 |
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| twitter | M$Restricted (TM) | Oct 15 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Restricted" is gentle. | Oct 15 22:02 |
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| twitter | Pownd | Oct 15 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Locked or punishing are stronger words. | Oct 15 22:02 |
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| MinceR | it's a trap! | Oct 15 22:06 |
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| MinceR | </ackbar> | Oct 15 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000... No need to burn books you can't read - DRM and public libraries | Oct 15 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | They take rights away from people and /sell/ them back. I'll write about that later (more on the British Library's kickbacks with Mirosoft) | Oct 15 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.silicon.com/retailandleisure/0,3800... "However, the Beeb's downloadable content will come with strings attached: content for all platforms will include DRM." | Oct 15 22:08 |
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| kevin083 | if you think drm is bad for sighted people, consider disabled people who need tech like screen readers | Oct 15 22:10 |
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| kevin083 | no text = no text-to-speech without using specifically allowed apps | Oct 15 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | This may also affect Web browsers: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives... | Oct 15 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | "Bill Hill has posted an article about "font embedding" on the Web, pushing Microsoft's "Embedded OpenType" format as the only way to do font embedding that's acceptable to font foundries. The theme is that "font linking" as implemented by Safari (and soon Gecko and Opera) is likely to get people sued and would lead to widespread font theft, and EOT is a much better approach that is endorsed by Microsoft and other font vendors. Chr | Oct 15 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | is Wilson followed up." | Oct 15 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | The comments says: "Microsoft pushing yet another form of DRM that's not going to work? I'm so not surprised! BTW IIRC fonts are covered by a special form of patents, not copyright, aren't they? Well just like every other content, the owner will be able to take legal action against unauthorized users; and they could be able to tap a new market by licensing their fonts for embedding. Will they be smarter than the MAFIAAs?" | Oct 15 22:12 |
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| MinceR | unless m$ can buy the major browsers into supporting this, it's doomed to fail. | Oct 15 22:13 |
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| twitter | Your culture in jail. | Oct 15 22:21 |
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| twitter | They are trying to put chains back on books. | Oct 15 22:21 |
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| twitter | If we don't control the fonts, people might share and learn. | Oct 15 22:22 |
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| twitter | oh no | Oct 15 22:22 |
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| PetoKraus | doh | Oct 15 22:22 |
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| PetoKraus | i've just finished Tarkovsky's solaris | Oct 15 22:22 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, how the hell did... eh... i got email from Bruce Byfield? | Oct 15 22:28 |
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| twitter | oh noes, hate mail | Oct 15 22:33 |
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| twitter | do share | Oct 15 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, he just wants comments | Oct 15 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | he's even eager to call me | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | at freaking 23:38 | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| twitter | about what? | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | dunno | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | if i don't come back tommorow | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: why? | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | he offered me €£3000 for keeping mouth shut | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | :P | Oct 15 22:34 |
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| twitter | about what? | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | dunno | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, i am not expert | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | he wants "comments" on whatever | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | he didn't even ask me yet | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | I've just sorted out something cool in CSS. | Oct 15 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | I can do nicely-formatted posts with 3 columns in Webkit and Gecko | Oct 15 22:36 |
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| twitter | what a very strange man, wants prior restraint without prior knowledge. | Oct 15 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: i told him "go forth and ask" | Oct 15 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Did you speak to him before? | Oct 15 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | He is in good touch with FSF people and you are a member, IIRC. | Oct 15 22:37 |
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| PetoKraus | no, never | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | and yes, i am a member | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | though i don't like him THAT much | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | he doesn't make good impression on me | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| twitter | I don't like him at all. | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | See the last line here: http://www.linux.com/feature/149403 | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | He posted a good article some hours ago... about Free software and open source. | Oct 15 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | I like his article a lot as long as he doesn't go around bashing and dismissing those who oppose corruption. He even criticised Groklaw. | Oct 15 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Presidential candidates dance around the Tube now: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/mccainpa... | Oct 15 22:42 |
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| twitter | Ick, I read it all. Amazing, he wrote an article where he does not flame the free software community in one way or another. | Oct 15 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | The majority of his articles are good. | Oct 15 22:45 |
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| twitter | Of course, his repetition of the "free software is not innovative" lie is an amplification that creates controversy where there should be none. | Oct 15 22:45 |
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| twitter | The innovative and leading qualities of free software are obvious to any user. | Oct 15 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | The word innovative is worth discarding in any context. it's a 'junk food' word. | Oct 15 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | innova~1? | Oct 15 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Free software predates proprietary anyway. That's where the /real/ innovation (early days) actually occurred, but revisionism obscures this reality. | Oct 15 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | INNOVA~1. It's not case sensitive :-) | Oct 15 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | C:/> cd INNOVA~1 | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| twitter | toupper | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1> cd Micros~1 | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> dir | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| twitter | toupper dupper | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>dir | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>dir | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>del *.* | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| twitter | no hidden files? | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Error: no file found | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| MinceR | nah | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | what the fuck is C:/ anyway | Oct 15 22:48 |
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| MinceR | they wouldn't want to hide anything there | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| twitter | C:\ | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, oopsie. | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | *nix habits | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | INNOVA! | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| MinceR | drive letters are a stupid idea anyway | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| twitter | they use escape character as a delimiter | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Where is drive B? | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, that sure makes a lot of sense. | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | it dines in hell. | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| MinceR | it's the second floppy drive | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| twitter | don't talk bad about my floppy! | Oct 15 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | It was 'user friendly'... knowing that it doesn't exist... and that cdrom is well... E... or F... or who the heck knows? | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| PetoKraus | D, usually | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| MinceR | my first pc had both an 5.25" and a 90mm (usually called 3.5") floppy drive | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| PetoKraus | like c-D! | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| twitter | floppy A, B, no fixed disk. | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| PetoKraus | my first pc, Pentium 166, has got Dos only :) | Oct 15 22:50 |
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| MinceR | (and a Conner HDD) | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| twitter | No one had more than two floppies so fixed disks were C and D, E, F ... | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Bruce mailed me too. | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's polite. | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yes | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i hope whether ben gets email ;) | Oct 15 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | *wonder | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| twitter | boil, boil, toil and trouble! | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe when Vista is SSD-'ready' (it's not quite), they''ll assign G to that | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | The point is that arbitrary letters are /NOT/ better. | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| twitter | hda, sda? | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | No matter how much people were taught this. | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| twitter | unified file systems rock | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| MinceR | somehow they had the brains to omit drive letters from wince | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: they probably approach Novell too. | Oct 15 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't read the mail yet. Give me a moment. | Oct 15 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose it's intended to try and resolve issues. | Oct 15 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Which reminds me of what cj attempted. | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| twitter | You have to remember the kinds of things he's said about you in the past. There's quite a lot to resolve. | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| twitter | semi-professional, etc. | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| twitter | dinner time. | Oct 15 22:56 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, time to sleep. Need to wake up at 7 today... | Oct 15 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | gn, PetoKraus | Oct 15 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, it doesn't seem like a trap to me. The money PetoKraus mentioned raises suspicion though. | Oct 15 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | nah | Oct 15 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i was just joking | Oct 15 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | there's no mention of money in the email | Oct 15 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i am as intrigued as you, trust me | Oct 15 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I'm replying at the moment. | Oct 15 23:04 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 15 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Oct 15 23:16 |
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| *PetoKraus (n=Peter@cpc4-broo2-0-0-cust1012.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Oct 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Watch this shill's comments: http://digg.com/users/kretik/history | Oct 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | All his activity is just attacks on me (in the comments) | Oct 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | There are at least 4 such accounts. If you watch the 'friends' of this account, it's other anti-Linux users; there's a nice pattern there. | Oct 15 23:49 |
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