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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 9th, 2008 - Part 1


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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged]Dec 09 00:55
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twitterspeaking of nasty no share stuff, this looks like a fun article but I don't think the publisher lets people look at it. 09 02:54
kevin__reminds me of the sites that disable your ability to right-click because they presume you're going to steal their contentDec 09 02:55
twitterI absolutely hate all the javascript and buttons journals require to download articles.  It's like they never want to leave dead trees and want to make sure no one but them can have libraries.Dec 09 02:56
kevin__even if your only intention is to have a screen reader read it :)Dec 09 02:56
twitterIs physics today locked up?Dec 09 02:56
twitterThe link is to a nice summary of battery tech.Dec 09 02:56
twittercan you see the article?Dec 09 02:56
kevin__it asked me to loginDec 09 02:56
twittersorry I bothered then.Dec 09 02:57
kevin__lolDec 09 02:57
twitterAIP needs a better publisher.Dec 09 02:57
kevin__they've got some impressive batteries these days... charging to full in 15 minutesDec 09 02:57
kevin__i've got some over hereDec 09 02:57
twitterIt's like RMS said, publishes make you promise to be a bad person.  The article was well written and I'd like to share it with people but the publisher would come down on me for it, so I can't.Dec 09 03:02
twitter:'(Dec 09 03:02
twitterThe same goons that come down on you for sharing are also busy vandalizing wikipedia.Dec 09 03:03
kevin__it seems more than a little dumb to post something online and not want to share it thoughDec 09 03:04
kevin__i wonder if they're aware that when user X reads the article, a person could be shiffing the packets and see it! oh nos!Dec 09 03:06
kevin__sniffing*Dec 09 03:06
kevin__they could use ssl though i supposeDec 09 03:06
twitterOh, they let you have it and I could make a script that gets around their obfuscation and downloads everything, but I still could not share it the way people used to share paper copies.Dec 09 03:08
twitterI remember a case where the RIAA ruined a business and basically stole the pensions of everyone working there because the people in the building had an ftp server with music on it.Dec 09 03:09
kevin__computers are great, but the day paper books die will be a sad one indeedDec 09 03:09
twitterPaper sucks.Dec 09 03:09
twitterIt's heavy and a fire hazard.Dec 09 03:10
twitterIt's much easier to organize and share electronic copies.Dec 09 03:10
kevin__but when i'm done reading it i can give it to you :)Dec 09 03:10
twitterIt's not the pdf that sucks, it's the law.Dec 09 03:10
kevin__and when you're done reading it you can give it to timDec 09 03:10
twitterIf I had an electronic copy, anyone interested could find the article they wanted in a database and have it at the same time.Dec 09 03:11
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kevin__even some colleges have experimented with ebooksDec 09 03:12
kevin__problem is, students might hack the readers and play tetris on them :)Dec 09 03:12
twitterPhysics today had the information that mattered neatly presented.  Power and energy storage per weight, charge and discharge times, etc, the basics for reasonable comparison between batteries, capacitors, fuel cells, internal combustion and turbines.Dec 09 03:13
twitterwikipedia is missing that info and is crapped up with irrelevant stuff.Dec 09 03:14
twitterwikipedia used to be much better than that.Dec 09 03:14
kevin__they could mandate people registering in order to make changes... but they probably don't want to do that for moral reasonsDec 09 03:15
twitterregistration is difficult if you want lots of participation.Dec 09 03:16
kevin__it would decrease "drive by" vandalismDec 09 03:16
twitterIt would not eliminate the more damaging kind of vandalism caused by moles.Dec 09 03:16
kevin__i read somewhere that the wal*mart page is a messDec 09 03:17
kevin__editing wars ya know?Dec 09 03:17
kevin__i think it was on diggDec 09 03:18
twitteryes, I've seen that.  Roy has done some good write ups on M$ paying people to edit and other forms of vandalism.Dec 09 03:18
twittergot to go. bblDec 09 03:18
kevin__kDec 09 03:18
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Omar87Hi allDec 09 03:48
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schestowitzHi, Omar87 Dec 09 08:40
kentmaschestowitz: did you post very few News yesterday, Roy?Dec 09 08:48
schestowitzMostly after midnight, so I guess so.Dec 09 08:49
schestowitzI'm not neglecting the posts, I do it periodically at different frequencies.Dec 09 08:49
schestowitzBN is growing too fast. :-)Dec 09 08:50
schestowitzAbout 22000+ pageviews per day, so I dedicate more time to it.Dec 09 08:50
kentmaah, that's fine, it's just that there were few from yesterday, so I wanted to be sure that nothing was wrong at my end.Dec 09 08:57
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schestowitzSometimes I just do it in a rush just to ensure we don't miss a thing. Another government has just moved to GNU/Linux (Zimbabwe).Dec 09 08:59
schestowitzBut you want see or hear about this from Murdoch.Dec 09 08:59
GoblinRFDRoy, do you ever sleep???!!?!Dec 09 09:02
GoblinRFDlolDec 09 09:02
GoblinRFDThats dedication!!!Dec 09 09:02
GoblinRFDIve managed to get the day off work, so Ive got a nice easy day now......Dec 09 09:03
MinceRgeekingsDec 09 09:03
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schestowitzHeyDec 09 09:04
GoblinRFDeh?Dec 09 09:05
GoblinRFDmy employer must be watchingDec 09 09:05
GoblinRFDI was disconnected when I typed about having the day offDec 09 09:05
GoblinRFDRoy, I meant to ask.  What size t-shirt are you?  Those Microsoft clothes would make an excellent xmas pressy!Dec 09 09:06
GoblinRFDIm certainly going to get one....?!!??Dec 09 09:06
GoblinRFD 09 09:06
GoblinRFDI bet Andre Da Costa has a whole wardrobe by now.Dec 09 09:07
schestowitzComplimentary.Dec 09 09:07
schestowitzThey send 'em sum.Dec 09 09:08
schestowitzOnes with Gates mugs.Dec 09 09:08
schestowitzWhen he was arrested shortly.Dec 09 09:08
schestowitzThen he got too many connections in government to be arrested again... even for /MUCH/ bigger crimes.Dec 09 09:08
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GoblinRFDis MS having some sort of joke Im not getting?Dec 09 09:10
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schestowitzIt laughs at itself. Viral marketing.Dec 09 09:12
schestowitzNotice the fact I never mentioned this clothing thing in BN. That's what they would want people to do.Dec 09 09:13
GoblinRFDyou've got a point.Dec 09 09:13
GoblinRFDI was just typing an article slating it.Dec 09 09:13
GoblinRFDIll stopDec 09 09:13
GoblinRFDdoh.  It must be early.Dec 09 09:14
schestowitzThey did another one.Dec 09 09:14
schestowitzThe one with a corny video clip about Vista... pretending it was internal and leaked.Dec 09 09:14
GoblinRFDIve seen a good t-shirt (probably fake) but it was all blue with the BSOD on the was pretty sweet.Dec 09 09:15
GoblinRFDBut our youngest (3 1/2 months) has a "Linux Baby" baby grow.Dec 09 09:16
GoblinRFDHe supports Boycott Novell.Dec 09 09:16
GoblinRFDthere,  Ive deleted that MS post.Dec 09 09:17
schestowitzWhich one?Dec 09 09:18
schestowitzWordPress?Dec 09 09:19
schestowitzI was going to link to it. I did last night in USENET.Dec 09 09:19
GoblinRFDI was doing an article on the clothes.  Ive decided not to now.  I dont want to give it any attention on my site.Dec 09 09:22
GoblinRFDand it was wordpressDec 09 09:22
_dougPower-One patent programable load regulators ..Dec 09 09:23
_doug 09 09:23
_dougThat's a voltage regulator connected to a digital bus :]Dec 09 09:24
_dougA high-school project ...Dec 09 09:24
kentmaIf this continues, it'll become impossible to design electronics at all.Dec 09 09:25
_dougGo back a decade and you'll see such circuits in the electronic magazines ..Dec 09 09:26
kentmaI know, I used to read them & buy them.Dec 09 09:26
kentmaAlso, most magazine circuits were usually minor changes to the manufacturer's recommended designs anyway.Dec 09 09:26
kentmaRA Penfold books used to contain the Mullard audio amp circuits with just a few minor changes, as an example.Dec 09 09:27
_dougeg: a contactless switch using a CMOS NOR gate and a thyristor ..Dec 09 09:27
kentmachange a bc107 to a ztx313 and you've a new circuit...Dec 09 09:28
_dougTake a look at a Marconi Radar unit from WW2 and you'll see active power managementDec 09 09:28
kentmaor any tv or video recorder made since the mid 1970s.Dec 09 09:28
_doug 09 09:29
kentmaI used to read Wireless World, Practical Wireless and I still get RAd Com.Dec 09 09:29
kentmaI also used to read everyday electronics when I was a schoolkid - lots of nice easy projects.Dec 09 09:29
kentmaPractical Electronics was good, and so was elektorDec 09 09:30
kentmaElektor was dutch, I think?Dec 09 09:30
_dougOf course nowadays it would look suspicous, buying mercury tilt switches or timers :>Dec 09 09:32
_dougBut I only wanted to make a disco SLU ..Dec 09 09:33
_dougStudy: Fragmented EU patent system impedes innovationDec 09 09:33
_doug 09 09:33
_dougGuess who sponcered the 'study' ..Dec 09 09:34
_doug"Jonathan Zuck of the Association for Competitive Technology (ACT"Dec 09 09:34
_doug:]Dec 09 09:34
kentmaHehe...Dec 09 09:34
kentmaTilt switches were all the rage in the 70s...Dec 09 09:34
MinceRwhat's an SLU?Dec 09 09:35
_dougSound to Light unit .. flashing lights to the music ..Dec 09 09:36
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_dougI used a tyristor opto-coupled to some digital circuits .. Z80 cpu etcDec 09 09:37
_dougFriendster patent social networking ..Dec 09 09:39
_doug 09 09:39
_doug'The patent in question is in regards to the “compatibility scoring of users in a social network,” 'Dec 09 09:39
_dougthey patented Correlation of a data set ?Dec 09 09:40
_dougLocaModa patent mobile social interactive content ..Dec 09 09:42
_doug 09 09:42
_doug"A system and method for providing and managing location-based interactive content."Dec 09 09:42
schestowitz_doug: how do you know ACT funded it?Dec 09 09:42
_dougIt say so inthe article - wake up schest ..Dec 09 09:43
kentmaSLU's were all the rage in the 70s, too, along with flares, sequined trousers, high-heeled boots & makeup, and that was the boys ... :-)Dec 09 09:43
schestowitzI'll read carefully (I haven't)Dec 09 09:43
_dougyea, I also designed a nuclear triggering device, only couldn't get the parts mail-order ..Dec 09 09:43
_doug:]Dec 09 09:44
_dougit's all to do with maintaining integrity of the pressure vessel ..Dec 09 09:44
kentmamaplin are not what they were...Dec 09 09:44
_dougHaaaaa !!!!Dec 09 09:45
kentmaoddly, they don't seem to supply 15" barrels, either :-)Dec 09 09:45
_dougLong term these kind of patents are going to stifle the economy. Do we really want such a system in Europe ?Dec 09 09:46
_dougThe coming technological 'Dark Age' ..Dec 09 09:47
_doug 09 09:47
kentmapositively not, no.  We need to foster a period of technical development.Dec 09 09:47
_doug‘Freedom in Computing’ conference to be held in India ..Dec 09 09:51
_doug 09 09:51
_doug"Richard Stallman .. will deliver the keynote address ..The conference will begin with the keynote address .. by Eben Moglen"Dec 09 09:52
_dougRepairPal patent repair price estimates ..Dec 09 09:54
_doug 09 09:54
_doug"RepairPal's unique, patent-pending system relies on multiple sources of proprietary data to provide accurate repair price estimates"Dec 09 09:55
_doughow the f**k can you patent a function to sum a list of data values ..Dec 09 09:55
kentmait's like a gold-rushDec 09 09:56
kentmain fact, that's precisely what it is.Dec 09 09:56
_dougthey've patented addition display max((sum($dataset.A))Dec 09 09:56
kentmaWe have a "land-grab" or "gold-rush" underway, with everyone convinced that these mini-monopolies will result in huge payback later.Dec 09 09:56
kentmaI wonder where they believe that the money will come /from/?Dec 09 09:57
_dougthe 'third world'Dec 09 09:57
_dougThat's why we need multi-national 'trade' agreements ..Dec 09 09:57
_dougbut China isn't playing ball ..Dec 09 09:58
_doug"Schwab told a press briefing that there were mutual concern expressed about the danger of trade protectionism "Dec 09 09:59
_dougSchwab to China: BOGU ..Dec 09 09:59
kentmaindeed.Dec 09 10:03
_dougtranslation: you sell us your oil and minerals and we'll sell you our patent protected intellectual property ..Dec 09 10:04
kentmayou'd have to be pretty naive to fall for it...Dec 09 10:04
_dougyou drop friendly hints and don't exactly put it like that ..Dec 09 10:04
MinceR_doug: i seeDec 09 10:05
_dougChina, India and the US have farm tariffs to protect local food producers, but only China and India are reguired to give it up ..Dec 09 10:06
_doug 09 10:07
_dougYou drop your tariffs and we'll let you sign a piece of paper ..Dec 09 10:07
_dougYOu also get to pay us for making your own drugs :oDec 09 10:08
_doug'Protectionist' only became a problem when the economic downturn hit the USDec 09 10:09
_dougAs usual you have to decode what they really mean:Dec 09 10:09
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_doug"we discussed the importance of domestic-led growth, and the importance of a market-determined currency in promoting balanced growth in China that will contribute to a healthy global economy"Dec 09 10:10
_doug'market-determined currency' == do-not-even-think-of-moving-off the $DOLLARDec 09 10:10
_doug"the U.S. and China .. will make available an additional $20 billion .. creditworthy importers in developing economies"Dec 09 10:11
_dougWe lend you money, you buy our goods, we get our money back, you go into debt ...Dec 09 10:12
CasperinI'm sure IMF wouldn't put it that wayDec 09 10:14
_dougWell no, but I do wonder what China is going to do with two trillion US$ dollars,Dec 09 10:18
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CasperinAren't they being pretty blatant about trying to sell them off? I think I read that somewhere long agoDec 09 10:19
_dougIf this was a poker game, then I would include the Rusians as well. Does the US realize it can't dictate to the rest, anymore ?Dec 09 10:20
_dougRussia has all the OIL, and China provides cheap goods ..Dec 09 10:21
CasperinSouth America has a lot of oil as well... but of course less militaryDec 09 10:22
_dougWell, lets go and liberate it :]Dec 09 10:22
Casperinbut yeah.. I think they realize heh... The Russia/Georgia controversy showed that pretty clearlyDec 09 10:23
Casperinhaha yeah... those poor Latins don't know what's good for them :PDec 09 10:23
schestowitzNo, _doug, no 'liberation'Dec 09 10:23
schestowitz(not again)Dec 09 10:23
Casperinit has worked so far...Dec 09 10:24
schestowitzCasperin: the CIA will come to assassinate the 'bad guys'Dec 09 10:24
_dougIs the US in the best position to advise the rest of the world on economic issues, considering they are the same people that caused the current crises ?Dec 09 10:24
schestowitz[bad to whom?]Dec 09 10:24
Casperinthey almost succeeded overthrowing Chavez in.. when was it? 2002? I don't even rememberDec 09 10:26
_dougThe sub-prime crises caused by the deregulation of the morgage market wayback on pres Reagans watch ..Dec 09 10:26
_dougChavez is runnning a mixed-market socialism sustem, similar to the UK just after WW2 ..Dec 09 10:27
Casperinyeah.. I am *really* puzzled about that. I mean, I have formal education in this field, and *I* can clearly see how bad that policy is... yet they don't/didn't.. amazingDec 09 10:28
_dougIronically, it works when there isw a strong private market ecomomy, or OIL ..Dec 09 10:28
schestowitzCasperin: Well, they killed Che GuevaraDec 09 10:28
schestowitz"Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to incite revolutions first in an unsuccessful attempt in Congo-Kinshasa and then in Bolivia, where he was captured with the help of the CIA and executed." < >Dec 09 10:28
Casperinand buried him behind some airport..Dec 09 10:28
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schestowitzAirport?Dec 09 10:29
_dougnot see the bad policy: I once had a cat, I fed it a whole gumbo tim of catfood in one sitting, just to see when it would stop. It never stopped eating .. :oDec 09 10:29
Casperinyeah.. if I recall correctlyDec 09 10:29
schestowitz 09 10:29
schestowitz"Entitled "The passion of the Che”, this photo displays the corpse of Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara one day after his execution. His body was put on display to the world's press to prove that in fact he had been captured and killed by Bolivian rangers with assistance from the CIA."Dec 09 10:30
schestowitzBlame the "Bolivian rangers"Dec 09 10:30
_dougthe market, is just like my cat, it's unable to stop ..Dec 09 10:30
schestowitzDoes your cat decline?Dec 09 10:30
Casperinoh.. hmm.. I must be wrong then.. my bad.. just thought his body/bones were lostDec 09 10:30
CasperinlolDec 09 10:30
schestowitzDon't work. Change (TM) is on the wayDec 09 10:31
Casperinit expands... like a bubble ;)Dec 09 10:31
schestowitzIn fact, Obama is already talking to his buddy BillGDec 09 10:31
_dougCuba, like Soviet Russia, no one is rich, but everyone is provided a basic subsistance ..Dec 09 10:31
schestowitz_doug: they ruin them on purpose tooDec 09 10:31
schestowitzEmbargo for startersDec 09 10:31
_dougExcept for the party elite, who live in mansions and go on foreign travelDec 09 10:31
_dougI guess the socalist experement is over ..Dec 09 10:32
schestowitzin other countries they destory basic infrastructures like ater supplies to 'punish' the population and say "look, the system there doesn't work"Dec 09 10:32
schestowitzLook what they are doign now in the middle east.Dec 09 10:32
_doug................................................................Dec 09 10:33
_dougInnovation lessons from the 1930sDec 09 10:33
_doug 09 10:33
Casperinyeah.. we are running a mixed economy as well (Denmark), and we are one of the richest countries in the world.. because we're so small nobody cares enough to attack usDec 09 10:33
_dougCasperin:do you have any OIL ?Dec 09 10:33
_doug:)Dec 09 10:33
schestowitzOr arms?Dec 09 10:34
Casperina little.. not enough to sellDec 09 10:34
schestowitzOr IP?Dec 09 10:34
schestowitz:-)Dec 09 10:34
Casperinsome... and we're in Afghanistan.. but it's like a fart in the windDec 09 10:34
Casperinheh dunnoDec 09 10:34
CasperinI saw some article actually.. that 3 out of 4 companies here completely ignore patenting their stuffDec 09 10:34
Casperin Danish =/Dec 09 10:35
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_dougAs i said, mixed economies only work with a working market, when there is a downturn, the gove turns to borrowing and raising taxes to fund social services. So the voters end up paying off the national debt and gettign nothing in return. Which is why here, Labor eventually got kicked out, untill they became the Conservative party in disguise ..Dec 09 10:36
Casperinuk?Dec 09 10:36
_dougyea - new labor = old toryDec 09 10:37
Casperinthe whole idea of creating money out of nothing is dangerous... imo that's the fundamental flawDec 09 10:38
_dougIt's like in physics, you don't create energy just move it around. You don't create wealth, just move it around, as in moving OIL from underground to your car ..Dec 09 10:39
CasperinexactlyDec 09 10:40
CasperinI guess creating money can be seen as a kind of tax thenDec 09 10:40
_dougIt's curious that the stock traders borrowed a function from physics to describe financial 'instrument' , Black/ScholesDec 09 10:41
Casperinthey did?Dec 09 10:41
_dougIn physics we have entropy, in finance we have inflation ..Dec 09 10:42
_dougThe Black–Scholes PDE is a partial differential equation which (in the model) must be satisfied by the price of a derivative on the equityDec 09 10:42
_doug 09 10:42
_dougIt somehow gave it credibility ..Dec 09 10:42
_dougIt's scientific, so must be valid ..Dec 09 10:42
_dougAnd here's the magic formula that brought the US economy to it's knees ..Dec 09 10:43
_doug 09 10:43
Casperindoesn't look so scary to me :PDec 09 10:44
schestowitzThe US?Dec 09 10:45
schestowitzThey brought down the whole US-wannabe world that followed the advice of Debt Culture.Dec 09 10:45
schestowitzIf I make $X per month, then surely I can afford a loan of $12X for the year to come, right? (hint: assuming I keep the job)Dec 09 10:46
Casperinit's going even further... even places like Japan is taking major blowsDec 09 10:46
schestowitzChina too.Dec 09 10:46
schestowitzBut they have wealthDec 09 10:47
Casperinokay bad example.. but.. many places :)Dec 09 10:47
CasperinyeahDec 09 10:47
schestowitzAmerica is still relying on borrowings.Dec 09 10:47
schestowitzCHina is already turning awauDec 09 10:47
_dougRead 'Liar's Poker' by Michael Lewis to see a description of when and where thy invented dicing-and-slicing morgages and endlessly reselling them ..Dec 09 10:47
Casperintheir main problem is that we don't want to borrow as much from them as we used toDec 09 10:47
schestowitz"No dollaz for us, thank you"Dec 09 10:47
_doug 09 10:47
CasperinhahDec 09 10:48
Casperinoh Roy.. I really enjoy your link dumps.. keep that up :)Dec 09 10:49
schestowitzThanks.Dec 09 10:51
schestowitzI just posted some more.Dec 09 10:51
CasperinI saw them.. I'll check them out later.. have to get going here.Dec 09 10:51
CasperinbblDec 09 10:52
_dougMS re-innovates the Web Portal ..Dec 09 10:52
_doug 09 10:52
schestowitzCasperin: if you have suggestions for improving them, please say so.Dec 09 10:53
schestowitzI could, for example, provide a snippet for all of them.Dec 09 10:53
schestowitz_doug: it's dead in the waterDec 09 10:54
schestowitzThe Live effort.Dec 09 10:54
schestowitzFirst comment is from an AstroTurfer (anti-FOSS): No_Ax_to_Grind Dec 09 10:54
schestowitz_doug: on ACT: 09 10:55
_dougWill EU repeat US copyright error?Dec 09 10:56
_doug 09 10:56
Casperinschestowitz, sure, I will :)Dec 09 10:56
Casperinthey forgot the 't' in terrorDec 09 10:57
schestowitzHAHADec 09 10:57
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PetoKraus_doug: thank youDec 09 10:57
PetoKrausfucking dicks, honestly.... and i am pissed off before breakfastDec 09 10:57
schestowitzMcCreevy and cr0nies will do the damageDec 09 10:58
schestowitzThey have the MSBBC telling sob stories that are one sided to usher these monopoliesDec 09 10:59
PetoKrausyou knowDec 09 10:59
PetoKrausthis copyright extension actDec 09 10:59
PetoKrauscan be described as THEM stealing our-to-be data from USDec 09 10:59
PetoKrausyet no one charges them with "piracy" chargesDec 09 11:00
CasperinI think techdirt had a really nice point in saying that copyright law is to encourage production; not social welfareDec 09 11:00
schestowitz"The US extension of copyright has turned almost every work created in America's history into an "orphan" — a work whose copyright has not expired, but whose copyright holder has been lost to the mists of time."Dec 09 11:00
PetoKrausschestowitz: i knowDec 09 11:00
PetoKrausi tried to contact the label of one band for permission to use their song in my biking videoDec 09 11:00
PetoKraus1) the label is deadDec 09 11:00
PetoKraus2) the band is deadDec 09 11:01
schestowitzBut Casperin, Nancy (Sinatra) doesn't want to get a jobDec 09 11:01
PetoKraus3) no emails whatsoever... what now?Dec 09 11:01
CasperinheheheDec 09 11:01
schestowitzShe lobbies for welfare to sons of b*Dec 09 11:01
Casperinyeah... you don't have to convince me that it's insanity.. but, even from their own stated goal of such laws, is this a completely ludicrous thing to doDec 09 11:02
Casperinargh yeah.. pisses me off too :(Dec 09 11:03
PetoKrausi wonder how can i contact the copyright holderDec 09 11:03
Casperinhire a detective? =/Dec 09 11:04
schestowitzWho would sue?Dec 09 11:05
schestowitzit's expansionismDec 09 11:06
schestowitzThis type of imperialism thought the likes of McCreecy is not far unique from what they do when they overthrow government or fuel wars (not them.... just... with their 'assistance')Dec 09 11:06
schestowitz*throughDec 09 11:06
PetoKrausschestowitz: no one would sue, but it is still annoyingDec 09 11:07
PetoKrausi want to know who holds the copyright for the thingDec 09 11:07
schestowitzEuropeans making their own music... scary thought!Dec 09 11:07
PetoKrausand i wan't to ask him for permissionDec 09 11:07
CasperinlolDec 09 11:07
PetoKrausshouldn't that be easy thing to do?Dec 09 11:07
CasperinAbba was the height of european music :PDec 09 11:07
schestowitzThe sad thing is, it's not the singers' faultDec 09 11:07
PetoKrausi'm glad you didn't say beatlesDec 09 11:07
schestowitzThey want their art to spreadDec 09 11:08
PetoKrausUK Prog Rock is both prime examplesDec 09 11:08
schestowitzAnd yet, they follow the conventional route (often they must) which is copyrights.Dec 09 11:08
CasperinI could've said Aqua..Dec 09 11:08
PetoKrausof the teribleness and greatness of EU music...Dec 09 11:08
*PetoKraus np: Yes - Starship Trooper: Life Seeker/Disillusion/Würm (The Yes Album)Dec 09 11:08
schestowitzIt imprisons their work rather than have it shared widely. It impedes their potential.Dec 09 11:08
schestowitzHaha.Dec 09 11:09
schestowitzFunny you mentioned AquaDec 09 11:09
schestowitzI coded their album as Ogg the other dayDec 09 11:09
schestowitzIt's a CD I got when I was like 15Dec 09 11:09
Casperinyou bad youDec 09 11:09
schestowitzAnd I know Danish people consider them an embarrassmentDec 09 11:09
Casperinstealing money from my Danish artist friendsDec 09 11:09
Casperinlol yeah..Dec 09 11:09
schestowitzAqua... yes, that was two days ago. I put all my CDs on this HDDDec 09 11:10
schestowitzNot stealingDec 09 11:10
schestowitzCopying for personal purposes.Dec 09 11:10
schestowitzThe CDs become just lossless backupDec 09 11:10
Casperinoh, right.. you can do thatDec 09 11:10
Casperin(still)Dec 09 11:10
schestowitzI think the MAFIAA challenges this right right nowDec 09 11:10
schestowitzMaybe they'll encourage poor production of CDs tooDec 09 11:11
Casperinwhat for?Dec 09 11:11
schestowitzThis way...erosion of media of change of media (CD->DVD->HD/Blu-Ray) they can expire old stuff so you starve and buy some moreDec 09 11:11
schestowitzI still have my tapesDec 09 11:12
Casperinhmm.. clever.. you should work for this industryDec 09 11:12
schestowitzNo, which industry?Dec 09 11:12
Casperinmusic industry of course..Dec 09 11:12
_doug 09 11:12
schestowitzMy parents still have a modern gramophone, so I can listen to original Jackson 5  records.Dec 09 11:13
schestowitzCasperin: music industry is worse than the likes of AppleDec 09 11:13
_dougNot liable to generate much confidence ..Dec 09 11:13
CasperinhahDec 09 11:13
schestowitzThey ruin people's life... treating them like disposable sponges and leaving them to rot with debt and dreams.Dec 09 11:13
Casperinboth worlds are sickDec 09 11:14
schestowitzThe copyrights cartel should have some of its people sentenced.Dec 09 11:14
Casperinmy dad just tossed his box because it was "ruined by virus" :(Dec 09 11:14
schestowitzThe problem is, they control the government. They are super wealthy and they even got Biden in their pocketDec 09 11:14
_dougSecunia PSI security threats identified:Dec 09 11:14
schestowitzCasperin: my mom tooDec 09 11:14
schestowitzThe 'computer' is infectedDec 09 11:14
_dougAdobe Flash Player 9.x (ActiveX Control)Dec 09 11:14
_dougMicrosoft Internet Explorer 7.xDec 09 11:14
_dougMicrosoft Windows XP ProfessionalDec 09 11:14
_dougMicrosoft XML Core Services (MSXML) 3.xDec 09 11:14
_dougSun Java JRE 1.6.x / 6.xDec 09 11:14
_dougSun Java JRE 1.6.x / 6.xDec 09 11:14
schestowitzReminds me of an old sayingDec 09 11:14
Casperindid she hammer the HD and everything else inside too? Just so nobody could get stuff out of it?Dec 09 11:15
schestowitzAbout people who commit suicide... they kill those bodies although there's nothing wrong with them (just mental issues)Dec 09 11:15
CasperinhahaDec 09 11:15
schestowitzWindows = brain?Dec 09 11:15
CasperinI'm not liking this analogy...Dec 09 11:16
Casperinwindows and brain doesn't belong in the same sentenceDec 09 11:16
PetoKrausalright, i *might have* found label, which is parent label of that label of that artist of that songDec 09 11:16
schestowitzIt's the bad brain though (mental issues)Dec 09 11:16
PetoKrausmailto: song.getArtist().getLabel().getParentLabel().getEmail();Dec 09 11:17
Casperin=/Dec 09 11:17
PetoKrauseverything is easier and cleaner with Javaâ„¢Dec 09 11:18
Casperinschestowitz, just out of curiosity.. how on earth do have time to put out that many posts on your blog?Dec 09 11:19
Casperinare you a security guard with a laptop or something? :PDec 09 11:19
schestowitzCasperin: I improves over time (years)Dec 09 11:19
schestowitz*improvedDec 09 11:20
Casperinwell done then.. I applaud you :)Dec 09 11:20
schestowitzThanks.Dec 09 11:20
Casperinnow bbl.. got a girl to see ^^Dec 09 11:20
schestowitzHave funDec 09 11:21
schestowitzNot lots of fun (cause that's Novell SUSE)Dec 09 11:21
schestowitz 09 11:31
PetoKraus:/Dec 09 11:32
macabeRoy: Is taking MS money?Dec 09 11:51
schestowitz ( RIAA targets transplant patient Ciara Sauro )Dec 09 11:52
schestowitzmacabe: they stll do MS ads?Dec 09 11:53
schestowitzIt's eWeekDec 09 11:53
macabeOK, yes I see it.Dec 09 11:53
schestowitzIts's the writer vs publisher thing.Dec 09 11:54
schestowitzSame in LinuxTodayDec 09 11:54
macabeThey're kind've claiming Asus started the netbook move.Dec 09 11:54
schestowitzTrueDec 09 11:54
schestowitzOL{CDec 09 11:54
schestowitzIntel used ASUS to ruins OLPCDec 09 11:55
macabeIIRC OLPC was fighting Intel & MS when the first Asus came out.Dec 09 11:55
schestowitzI have proofDec 09 11:55
schestowitzMicrosoft was later muscling ASUSDec 09 11:56
macabeI see it's a Ziff-Gates Ent. Will leave a comment. ThanksDec 09 12:04
schestowitzIt's banjruptDec 09 12:06
schestowitzLet it be soDec 09 12:06
schestowitzI know the editors of this siteDec 09 12:06
schestowitzBut they are NOT the publishersDec 09 12:06
schestowitzIt's the usual conflict between greedy SOBs that don't care about Freedom and those who work for themDec 09 12:06
schestowitzSame in (I had this argument with Joe Barr)Dec 09 12:06
schestowitzIn LinuxToday, neither Carla nor Brian liked the MS ads, but it's there.Dec 09 12:07
schestowitzHad we boycottted site that do this, not much would be left to citeDec 09 12:07
*neighborlee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))Dec 09 12:07
schestowitzAlso, despite the fact that BN blocks sites like and (among others), the ads still make it in sometimes, through their 'partners' and 'ecosystem'. Very annoying.Dec 09 12:07
macabeIf anyone's the cancer, it's ms and their ads. They ooze into almost every site.Dec 09 12:09
schestowitzYes, it's a marketing companyDec 09 12:10
schestowitzApple's the same... making people believe that only iPods will play music decently.Dec 09 12:11
schestowitzEric Lai goes on a "PIRATE" propaganda... 09 12:12
schestowitz It's not piracy; he should stop parroting abusive terms from criminals in suitsDec 09 12:13
schestowitz 09 12:15
schestowitzGood video:  First ever computer mouse demo < >Dec 09 12:18
schestowitzTerror = Jobs < >Dec 09 12:40
schestowitzSentimental blackmail (selling abuse under the guise of charity..): .. 09 12:48
schestowitzEmbrace... and extend..."Microsoft made the Oxite source code available for download on December 5. Oxite is available under the Microsoft Public License (MS-Pl), one of its OSI-certified open-source licenses." 09 12:52
schestowitz8000 to be laid off in Sony: ; 09 12:58
schestowitzH*ly Cr*p: "Texas Instruments pulled down its profit forecast for the December quarter by as much as two-thirds on Monday, and it also cut its revenue expectations, saying the economic downturn is having a powerful impact on the market for its chips."Dec 09 13:00
schestowitzReport: 21 Million German Bank Accounts for Sale < > "Reporters for WirtschaftsWoche (Economic Week) managed to obtain a CD containing 1.2 million accounts after a November face-to-face meeting with criminals in a Hamburg hotel, according to the magazine." Easy when half of all PCs are zombiesDec 09 13:05
*Eruaran ( has joined #boycottnovellDec 09 13:26
Eruaranhello allDec 09 13:26
schestowitzHey there.Dec 09 13:28
Eruaranhi RoyDec 09 13:28
schestowitzAny news from down under?Dec 09 13:30
EruaranOnly that people aren't happy about the web censorship thingDec 09 13:30
EruaranI was reading Locutus's musings on "Where will Linux be in ten years time? "Dec 09 13:32
EruaranIt got me thinkingDec 09 13:32
schestowitzMr. Shields...Dec 09 13:33
EruaranI've commented but its under moderation atmDec 09 13:33
schestowitzWow. I've just noticed BN climbed to 3300th in Netcraft.Dec 09 13:34
EruaranThats interestingDec 09 13:34
schestowitzIt will be nice when we pass Groklaw.Dec 09 13:34
schestowitz(If)Dec 09 13:34
EruaranAfter all... teh internetz are a big placeDec 09 13:34
schestowitzToo big for those that favouyr /narrow/ point of viewDec 09 13:35
EruaranInteresting trivia: March was once the first month of the year.Dec 09 13:37
schestowitz (Do We Really Want An Internet Run By Lynch Mobs?)Dec 09 13:38
schestowitzSo the year did not begin as cold and rainy then. Different religions still have different dates set as start of year.Dec 09 13:39
schestowitzNorth could be south and south could be north, Greewich could be the corner of the world. All arbitrary choice, like an axis... same with monthsDec 09 13:40
schestowitzNumbers too... we have a decimal system probably because we have ten fingers on our two hands.Dec 09 13:40
EruaranThe planet Jupiter has very low densityDec 09 13:42
EruaranLower than waterDec 09 13:42
EruaranIt could float in your bathtubDec 09 13:43
Eruaran(of your bathtub was big enough)Dec 09 13:43
schestowitzI might try that laterDec 09 13:43
Eruaranwhat about hexadecimal ?Dec 09 13:45
Eruaran:PDec 09 13:45
schestowitzIt's a more natural numberDec 09 13:45
schestowitzIt's a very good one.... like 260Dec 09 13:45
schestowitz*360Dec 09 13:45
EruaranThat article sounds like a lawyer complaining that he doesn't get paid if admins are allowed to just disconnect spam merchantsDec 09 13:47
schestowitzThis one is mystifying: 09 13:47
schestowitzNo word on nuclear weapons, global warming and hunger as harms to civilisation, just Earth as a whole.Dec 09 13:48
schestowitzSpammers clogged up a mailing list of mineDec 09 13:48
EruaranAliensDec 09 13:48
schestowitzI spent too much time on it this morning.Dec 09 13:49
schestowitzMailman won't loadDec 09 13:49
EruaranIt will definately be aliensDec 09 13:49
schestowitzIt has megabyte on spam on queue... Firefox goes nuts and when I manage to get it to load I get a server internal error due to excessive load. I might need to admins to step in because of those spammers.Dec 09 13:50
schestowitzWhat a productivity waste. (Marching off to cyberwar)Dec 09 13:50
EruaranWe brought spam filtering to our lawyer clientsDec 09 13:50
EruaranAround 80% of their traffic was spamDec 09 13:50
schestowitzThey should soon make a law that forbid Windows except for in very special circumstances. It has become a huge harm to the digital world... a big sore.Dec 09 13:50
schestowitzMicrosoft should be sued just lime the MAFIAA does..Dec 09 13:51
EruaranThey should beDec 09 13:51
EruaranFor criminal negligenceDec 09 13:51
schestowitzNegligence is no excuse.Dec 09 13:51
schestowitzAnd I'm very gentle and conservative about it, compared to some.Dec 09 13:51
schestowitz"Our products just aren't engineered for security." -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive < >Dec 09 13:52
EruaranThey know what needs to be done in terms of security for exampleDec 09 13:52
EruaranBut they wont do itDec 09 13:52
schestowitzThey can'tDec 09 13:52
schestowitzThey need to rebuild WIndowsDec 09 13:52
schestowitzWith networking in mind, permissions as _part of the O/S_ (not 'bolted on')Dec 09 13:53
EruaranThey've had many years to completely rebuild WindowsDec 09 13:53
schestowitzThey made cheap copies of other people's work and spent more time cheating and marketing, not improving the engineering at the early stagesDec 09 13:53
twitterthey prefer to be root than protect the usersDec 09 13:53
schestowitzVista is a case of trying to put an elephant on a dietDec 09 13:53
EruaranIt is catching up with them nowDec 09 13:53
schestowitzEruaran: They've had many years of monopoly tooDec 09 13:54
schestowitzhad they had more compeittion, people would have gone to secure solutions and without improving they would dueDec 09 13:54
twitterI think they know all of this.Dec 09 13:54
EruaranOn security we tell it to our customers straight, "Microsoft has left Windows users high and dry"Dec 09 13:54
schestowitz*die. The issue now is helping people get past the marketing.Dec 09 13:54
twitterThat's why they are trying to steal GNU/LinuxDec 09 13:54
schestowitzI posted an example here yesterday, a message from my cousin in Florida.. he's THANKFUL to Microsoft for anti-virus SWDec 09 13:54
Eruaraneh ?Dec 09 13:55
twitterThey stole from BSD and other free software to bolt Winblows together.Dec 09 13:55
schestowitzAnd Gary tooDec 09 13:55
twitterNow they try to own GNU/Linux.Dec 09 13:55
schestowitzWindows and DOS are copies of other people's wordDec 09 13:55
schestowitz*work. Word too.Dec 09 13:55
EruaranGK RIPDec 09 13:55
schestowitzIntellectual ownershipDec 09 13:55
twittertheftDec 09 13:56
schestowitz"Intellectual property is the next software." --Nathan MyhrvoldDec 09 13:56
EruaranahDec 09 13:56
EruaranBills buddyDec 09 13:56
schestowitzBTW, that's the poor SOB who pushed Microsoft vapourwarrDec 09 13:56
twitterthey did not make most of the software they have, they wrecked other companies and took what was leftDec 09 13:56
schestowitzOn the one hand, he claims to be ""investor extraordinaire" but at the same time he does illegal things and sci-fi marketing.Dec 09 13:56
twitterthen they bolted the work togetherDec 09 13:56
EruaranNow they have some patent troll companyDec 09 13:56
schestowitz /s/investor/inventor/Dec 09 13:57
schestowitzThey have SEVERALDec 09 13:57
schestowitzThey spread their so-called 'IP' peopleDec 09 13:57
EruaranWant to hear something truly, spine tinglingly crappy ?Dec 09 13:57
schestowitzRead: people who push paperr for  a livingDec 09 13:57
EruaranSomething bone chillingly aweful ?Dec 09 13:57
schestowitzThey call it "the next software"Dec 09 13:57
twitterthat novell agreed that M$ owned GNU/Linux?Dec 09 13:57
schestowitzWhy write programs? Just write down ideas.Dec 09 13:57
EruaranSage Line 50 requires... netbuiDec 09 13:57
schestowitzThen go after people with software and claim that they infringe on your  submitted-to-USPTO thoughts.Dec 09 13:58
EruaranJust so it can use the network and not run like a bag of excrementDec 09 13:58
schestowitzThese people sit in the dinner table chewing the rug and then making zozens of patents with the lawyers that sit around listening.Dec 09 13:58
twitternetbios is a bag of shitDec 09 13:58
schestowitzThey are a shame and disgrace to technology and to the USDec 09 13:58
EruaranWe're talking pre-TCP/IPDec 09 13:58
schestowitzAnd they ruin the ecnomy too with invisible 'property' (like mortgages)Dec 09 13:59
Eruaranschestowitz: they are scum and history will treat them as suchDec 09 13:59
schestowitzI remember netbuiDec 09 13:59
schestowitzIt was needed for file sharing in Win898Dec 09 13:59
EruaranyesDec 09 13:59
EruaranThats how crap Sage Line 50 isDec 09 14:00
EruaranIts criminalDec 09 14:00
twitternetbui is awful crap.Dec 09 14:00
schestowitzI don't know much about itDec 09 14:00
Eruaranyou dont want toDec 09 14:00
schestowitzBut networking in Windows was  amessDec 09 14:00
EruaranI'm sure it was designed in hellDec 09 14:00
PetoKrauswe're using sage at workDec 09 14:00
PetoKrausdon't get me startedDec 09 14:00
schestowitzI haven't used it in years (not even elsewhere)Dec 09 14:00
EruaranPetoKraus: I know your painDec 09 14:00
PetoKrausi could code better db using php and mysqlDec 09 14:00
twitterwindows networking still sucks assDec 09 14:01
twitterThe other day, I visited a house where someone was trying to hook up windows, mac and apple using M$ networking.Dec 09 14:02
Eruaran:ODec 09 14:02
EruarannuuuuuuuDec 09 14:02
PetoKrausmac and apple?Dec 09 14:02
twitterit did not work, of course.  some computers could see others but none could see all.Dec 09 14:02
twitteroh, just mac.Dec 09 14:02
PetoKrausbut the girl is cute: 09 14:02
Eruaranthe mac without the apple ?Dec 09 14:03
EruaranThats a Pystar isn't it ?Dec 09 14:03
Eruaran;)Dec 09 14:03
twitterha ha, my typoDec 09 14:03
PetoKrausif she was sage's field tech support, i might've been interestedDec 09 14:03
twitterthe experience disturbs me still.Dec 09 14:03
PetoKrausoh man, the build quality of this is pretty crapDec 09 14:04
schestowitzIn the news: Argentina-based OpeniMac Now Selling Mac Clones < >Dec 09 14:04
Eruaransage has tech support ?Dec 09 14:04
PetoKrausafter 15 months i think it's falling apartDec 09 14:04
twittercrappy networking in the non free world is why non free software users still sneaker net most of their stuff aroundDec 09 14:04
EruaranPetoKraus: I have to do profit report and balance sheet every week with SageDec 09 14:04
PetoKrausEruaran: well, my boss is paying €£10k for itDec 09 14:04
EruaranPetoKraus: we're phasing it outDec 09 14:04
PetoKrausheheDec 09 14:04
PetoKrauswhat for?Dec 09 14:04
EruaranIts killing meDec 09 14:04
schestowitzSAGE is Not SAGE?Dec 09 14:05
EruaranNot SAGEDec 09 14:05
schestowitzgSNS?Dec 09 14:05
PetoKrauswe could get some M$ IIS product or sageDec 09 14:05
PetoKrausit's like.... mud or waterDec 09 14:05
EruaranPetoKraus: one of the other guys sat there one day with TBS CleverPlus and completed everything while I was sitting in front of Sage watching a progress barDec 09 14:06
PetoKraus:DDec 09 14:06
schestowitzThat's a patentDec 09 14:06
schestowitzProgress barDec 09 14:06
Eruaranw00tDec 09 14:06
Eruaranyoure kiddingDec 09 14:06
Eruaranridicule!Dec 09 14:07
PetoKrausEruaran: what are you getting instead of sage?Dec 09 14:07
PetoKraus*deployingDec 09 14:07
schestowitzI wrote several programs that implement a progress bar. ScaryDec 09 14:07
schestowitzIt's not this one.. 09 14:07
EruaranPetoKraus: we're lobbying hard at each montly meeting to switch to TBS softwareDec 09 14:07
EruaranEven though its proprietary :(Dec 09 14:07
schestowitzHere: 09 14:07
EruaranIts so much better than SageDec 09 14:07
schestowitz"Richard Stallman mentions patent EP0394160 issued by the European Patent Office as an example of how a software patent impedes software development (5 February, p 28). The patent covers the display of a "progress bar" that gradually increases in length to show how much of a task has been completed. I agree that granting such patents is undesirable - and this one should never have been issued anyway."Dec 09 14:07
schestowitzGo ahead to court to defend yourself... if you can afford it.Dec 09 14:08
schestowitzThe system is totally corruptDec 09 14:08
PetoKraus"the second color is distinct from the first color"Dec 09 14:08
PetoKrausNO SHIT SHERLOCK!Dec 09 14:08
schestowitzRichard Stallman: “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.”Dec 09 14:08
schestowitzWe could create new jobsDec 09 14:09
schestowitzLet's have examiners look at toilet paper patentsDec 09 14:09
schestowitzLet's build more grenades too...Dec 09 14:09
EruaranUsing Sage is like beating yourself in the head with a meat cleaver... And wondering why you bleed...Dec 09 14:09
schestowitzLet's... let's... I know... let's make more money by giving out LOANS!! Brilliant!Dec 09 14:09
PetoKrausEruaran: so it's really shitDec 09 14:10
PetoKrausyou knowDec 09 14:10
EruaranyesDec 09 14:10
PetoKrauseverytime i try to do something, i break the poor thingDec 09 14:10
Eruaran:PDec 09 14:10
EruaranohDec 09 14:10
EruaranSage is the very epitomy of brokenDec 09 14:10
schestowitzIt's not so poorDec 09 14:10
PetoKrausit's like... umm, i forgot to fill in the type of paymentDec 09 14:10
schestowitz10kDec 09 14:10
PetoKrausbut um oh.... i already printed the invoiceDec 09 14:11
EruaranSage um... loses stuffDec 09 14:11
PetoKrausso i have to cancel the invoice at three different placesDec 09 14:11
PetoKrausAND create a new oneDec 09 14:11
EruaranarghDec 09 14:11
Eruaranyou could delete the transactionDec 09 14:11
Eruaranand start againDec 09 14:11
Eruaran;)Dec 09 14:11
EruaranMEAT CLEAVER.... MEET HEADDec 09 14:11
PetoKrausyes, but i need to: delete order, delete invoice, restock allocations, and update records!!!!!Dec 09 14:12
EruaranhahaDec 09 14:12
PetoKraus(the first two are done at the same screen)Dec 09 14:12
Eruaranyes... update recordsDec 09 14:12
Eruaranor you'll be sitting there for ages going WTF!Dec 09 14:12
PetoKrausi need to press F5 to see what I've doneDec 09 14:12
PetoKrauscause it DOES NOT REFRESH AUTOMATICALLY!!!1Dec 09 14:12
*Eruaran falls over laughingDec 09 14:13
PetoKrausthe best part is....Dec 09 14:13
schestowitzCostco poisoned by the Microsoft Movement: 09 14:13
EruaranIt would be hilarious if it weren't true...Dec 09 14:13
PetoKrausi try to fill in order, while waiting for customer to give me his contact detailsDec 09 14:13
PetoKrausyou know, i've got the stock with me, so, while he scribbles down the address and name, I can fill in the order...Dec 09 14:13


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