| schestowitz | The Bank of New Zealand deploys Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 < http://www.ostoday.org/os-news-1/000... > | Feb 19 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Weird one for someone like Jeremiah Gray: Linux Haters Make a Few Valid Points < http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Linux-... > | Feb 19 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | What tha fork?? Linux Foundation peddles Mono?? http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/... | Feb 19 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Benchmark Your Computer with Debian 5 Lenny < http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/200... > | Feb 19 00:11 |
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| twitter | Linux Haters is a waste of time for anyone to read. | Feb 19 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 19 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Don't appreciate blogs whose feedback is called "flames" | Feb 19 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | It means they provoke and troll for reaction. That's not news. | Feb 19 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN has been very kind to us recently... also to Debian.. http://blogs.computerworld.com/debian... | Feb 19 00:13 |
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| twitter | It's not constructive criticism. Yes, troll. | Feb 19 00:13 |
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| twitter | cool for Debian. | Feb 19 00:13 |
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| benJIman | Of course boy.com is highly constructive. | Feb 19 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: very funny. | Feb 19 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | * [benJIman] (n=benji@benjiweber.co.uk): Benjamin Weber | Feb 19 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | * [benJIman] #boycottnovell | Feb 19 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | You quit OpenSUSE? | Feb 19 00:15 |
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| benJIman | What makes you think that? | Feb 19 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | You're usually at 'home' | Feb 19 00:16 |
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| benJIman | home? | Feb 19 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Now you stalk just a channel you antagonise. | Feb 19 00:16 |
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| benJIman | No, freenode just doesn't show the channels that you're not in. | Feb 19 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Not true. | Feb 19 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Unless there's an option you enabled | Feb 19 00:20 |
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| benJIman | Join #suse if you don't believe me. | Feb 19 00:20 |
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| twitter | Boycott Novell is constructive. It advocates freedom and shines a light on corruption. That takes research and effort, the result is valuable. | Feb 19 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: I take you word for it, thanks. | Feb 19 00:25 |
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| twitter | Gray's article is more about how Linux Hater "misses the point" and may not be honest than it is about a few "valid" technical points. | Feb 19 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still mystified as to your interests for hanging out here. | Feb 19 00:26 |
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| twitter | Still, it's better to have not mentioned Linux Hater at all. The site should be a dark little corner only W.E. and true M$ believers read. Even they would get bored. | Feb 19 00:27 |
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| twitter | Has benJiman ever provided a useful fact? | Feb 19 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | by Scott McNealy: http://www.livemint.com/2009/02/17231746/India8... | Feb 19 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: mostly advocacy of Microsoft/Novell tech | Feb 19 00:28 |
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| twitter | Sure, I remember all or that. I just wondered if he every said anything useful. | Feb 19 00:28 |
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| benJIman | I have mentioned several corrections to factually incorrect articles. Of course you might not like your conspiracy theories being spoilt by facts. | Feb 19 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | He is here to 'had balance' in the sense that he only ever weighs in to contradict | Feb 19 00:29 |
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| twitter | name calling is not useful, BenJiman. | Feb 19 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | That's like me joining a #britneyspears channel or something to vilify her fans on occasions | Feb 19 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: correct information in your platfform if possible | Feb 19 00:30 |
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| twitter | Or like advocating Novell and M$ in a Boycott Novell blog? | Feb 19 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | I don't intrude Novell sites | Feb 19 00:30 |
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| twitter | Everyone loves facts benJiman. | Feb 19 00:31 |
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| twitter | can you remember one that actually "spoilt" a working theory of corruption? | Feb 19 00:32 |
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| twitter | You know, a basic thesis kind of spoil. Like a "fact" that would prove Mono is not some kind of M$ Patent encumbered trap, when M$ and Novell executives have all been extensively quoted such things. | Feb 19 00:33 |
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| twitter | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107 | Feb 19 00:34 |
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| twitter | http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/ind... | Feb 19 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Why does Susan link to "Microsoft: "Waaah! Linux stole our IP" (and 1337 DVD)" < http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_w... >. Old stuff.. | Feb 19 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Facts (talking points): | Feb 19 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | *If you don't support the invasion, you don't support the troops | Feb 19 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | *There are two parties in the elections, so there is democracy. Cherish it. | Feb 19 00:36 |
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| twitter | generally, the "facts" detractors here come up with are petty technical details that don't make much of a difference. That and insults. | Feb 19 00:36 |
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| twitter | Don't know why he linked to it, let me see if I've got it in my patent extortion list. Groklaw had all sorts of great quotes that I'll have to check too. | Feb 19 00:39 |
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| twitter | Hmm, both of those articles are from 2006. | Feb 19 00:39 |
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| twitter | Did someone spam them out? | Feb 19 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Edward Said, "The Myth of the Clash of Civilizations" 1 < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo... > | Feb 19 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | Good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ&NR=1 | Feb 19 03:51 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Feb 19 09:17 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/mi... << Bait and switch any one. | Feb 19 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen that. | Feb 19 10:44 |
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| oiaohm | Question is how many other programs is Microsoft planing to do that with. | Feb 19 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | Already done before | Feb 19 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | They are killing services massively. | Feb 19 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | BN has many examples. | Feb 19 10:46 |
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| oiaohm | Is it me or is MS panicing. | Feb 19 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | It has been for a while | Feb 19 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a related post ATM | Feb 19 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Seen Cringely article calling for Microsoft to sack half the staff? | Feb 19 11:07 |
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| oiaohm | If MS does that they are dead in the water. | Feb 19 11:08 |
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| oiaohm | Developers are the life blood of software development. | Feb 19 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Feb 19 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft bleeds too much money in most divisions | Feb 19 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Google has a good product: search+ads | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has Office | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| oiaohm | Redirecting staff. | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | It forces WIndows upon OEMs | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| oiaohm | Not cutting them. | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| oiaohm | Problem is cut staff how long before Linux and others will just run MS down. | Feb 19 11:12 |
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| oiaohm | Its either redirect staff or open source bits. | Feb 19 11:13 |
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| oiaohm | Ie open source bits they can cut staff. | Feb 19 11:13 |
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| oiaohm | Now Ms open sourcing bits? | Feb 19 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 19 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Who would help them code? | Feb 19 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Look at Symbian. | Feb 19 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Just making it open won't bring in volunteers to serial thugs. | Feb 19 11:18 |
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| oiaohm | More taking existing open source bits | Feb 19 11:22 |
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| oiaohm | And firing staff that made the closed source bits. | Feb 19 11:23 |
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| oiaohm | If I was MS web engine developers I would be paniking right now. Ie MS looking at webkit. | Feb 19 11:23 |
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| oiaohm | It could save them a lot of money. | Feb 19 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | They refuted the WebKit reports. | Feb 19 11:34 |
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| oiaohm | they may have. | Feb 19 11:35 |
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| oiaohm | Be truthful how much money do they make out the web browser. | Feb 19 11:35 |
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| oiaohm | There are a lot of points in ms where they can make cuts if the put replacements in. | Feb 19 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Investors count too. | Feb 19 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, ShadyCat | Feb 19 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Novell: "Compared with our competitors, I don't think it's a really important matter or a big number." | Feb 19 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | ZDeeNET: "Surely it's an important matter to the staff who were laid off?" | Feb 19 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | Novell: "Yes, but again, it's a business, and I'm not close to those decisions. In the UK we have increased the headcount — we've increased the sales staff." | Feb 19 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Gee, this guy is tactless. | Feb 19 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah...we've fired people... but " it's a really important matter or a big number." | Feb 19 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Tom Espiner : "It's good you are employing more sales staff, but don't they need a product to sell? Could Novell ridding itself of engineering staff hobble it in the future?" | Feb 19 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | That is the kind of company Novell has always been. | Feb 19 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | Now can you see why I say MS and Novell kinda deserve each other. | Feb 19 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I know. | Feb 19 12:16 |
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| oiaohm | They both screw people. | Feb 19 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | See my post about this interview (published minutes ago) | Feb 19 12:16 |
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| oiaohm | Novell pack of weasels from dilbert | Feb 19 12:18 |
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| oiaohm | If they can justify something is bad. | Feb 19 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Don't worry, they'll get their asses whooped next week | Feb 19 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Through the big sufferers are Novell employees who already hate the company | Feb 19 12:19 |
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| oiaohm | Palms new web OS. Is linux. | Feb 19 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/159795/... Ahhh! I'm tired of hearing about "cloud"... like that federal goon who's attacking Google for 'cloud' now....... | Feb 19 12:20 |
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| oiaohm | This could get really wrong by the end of 2009. | Feb 19 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe earlier | Feb 19 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/0... | Feb 19 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | In a survey done by CRN (IIRC, maybe eweek), it was found that Novell is believed to be MOST likely not to survive this year. | Feb 19 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | This morning Shane wrote: "And, please, let us recall what Symbolset had pointed out- that Novell had problems with their SEC filings, which caused them to potentially have to pay back cash that wouldn't have been due till 2024 otherwise. Lots of cash, apparently." | Feb 19 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Funny thing, they seem to have filed that 8-K asking for an extension until the close of business on the day that the MS deal was to be announced. Coincidental?" | Feb 19 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I explored this a lot more closely later on. | Feb 19 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I really ought to organise this in the Wiki. | Feb 19 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Yep | Feb 19 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | You are now finding the facts. | Feb 19 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Novell is dead man walking. | Feb 19 12:23 |
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| oiaohm | What move will Novell do when they have nothing left to lose. | Feb 19 12:23 |
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| oiaohm | What i quite a few years off. | Feb 19 12:23 |
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| oiaohm | Not a company I would have done a patent deal with. | Feb 19 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | It occured to me that hackers like FOSS people are daemonised when the stupid press uses the word "hacker" in reference to criminals (crackers): http://www.pcworld.com/article/159770/hack... | Feb 19 12:24 |
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| oiaohm | Who started that. | Feb 19 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Orwell warned about depletion of vocabulary by making words mean exactly the opposite of what they used to mean | Feb 19 12:24 |
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| oiaohm | I would love to know. | Feb 19 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Like Libertarian. | Feb 19 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | If we have no words to express ourselves without opposite connotation, then ideas can no longer be expressed that are disenting. | Feb 19 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | *dissenting. | Feb 19 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Yep words change means why most people cannot read bible and understand what it says. | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| oiaohm | Like hell is garbage dump. | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| oiaohm | World is only as far as you can see ... | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know how the press can be countered for the propaganda | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | Look at "pirate" | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| oiaohm | And it goes on with words in the bible that have changed meaning over times. | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | When someone labels a sharer a "pirate", then you think of people with guns and swords | Feb 19 12:26 |
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| oiaohm | Pirate is something software thiefs they formed them selfs. | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | Software thiefs too is not correct | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | Theft is when you take away | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| oiaohm | As in the old blieff of pirates freeing goods and giving to the oppressed. | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not counterfeiting. | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not illegal copies. | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | You don't 'steal' books when you borrow them | Feb 19 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | No, Robin Hood ~= Pirate | Feb 19 12:28 |
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| oiaohm | first software thiefs I am refering to stole disks. | Feb 19 12:28 |
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| oiaohm | Then over time things changed. | Feb 19 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | That's what "intellectual property " is about | Feb 19 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Make knowledge and sentences be PROPERTY | Feb 19 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Because it makes them look physical. | Feb 19 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | IBM should divorce Novell now.... http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-... | Feb 19 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | Why. | Feb 19 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | Novell is a MS money vampire. | Feb 19 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | Canadian Linux firm to supply Brazilian schools with PC-sharing software < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?c... > | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: Novell can harm IBM | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | Really. | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | IBM loves SUSE and uses it to keep cost of RHEL down, BUT.. | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Novell legitimises patents of IBM's competitor | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | IBM has the patents that can Nuke Novell of face of earth. | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | Same with MS. | Feb 19 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat got what it wanted without the pats | Feb 19 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | MS and IBM already have patent protecitn agreements. | Feb 19 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | Going back to the OS/2 days. | Feb 19 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | IBM cannot be harmed by the threat of Novell. | Feb 19 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | Attacking Redhat always brings in IBM. | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | IBM depends on development by community | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Novell harms that | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | Part of the reason I think MS fears moving. | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Bob Sutor does not like Mono, either | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is gravitating towards MS | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | At moment attacking Novell is pointless. | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | How long before z-series runs MS-branded 'Linux; | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | Anything leaching money off MS bottom line is a good thing to weaken them at moment. | Feb 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | It also weakens FOSS, even more | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | IBM was unhappy when Novell helped OOXML | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| oiaohm | Ok when the money state turns around then think about linching them. | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | I know because I was told | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | IBM and MS pull Novell from both ends | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is run by IBMers | Feb 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Jaffe and Hovsepian. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | IBM endorse the MS deal. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | They have incompetent strategists maybe. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | *endorsed | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| oiaohm | Novell will have a stratage. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| oiaohm | question is what and when. | Feb 19 12:41 |
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| oiaohm | MS is not to there weakess point yet. | Feb 19 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | MS has 'stores' :-D | Feb 19 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll sell Netware there? :-) j/k | Feb 19 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll sell patent vouchers there to GNU/Linux users | Feb 19 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Like foodstamps... | Feb 19 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | "I'll have this USB mouse, one Epson cartridge and 4-month patent protection for my Ubuntu" | Feb 19 12:44 |
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| oiaohm | MS stores is another reason we want Novell alive. | Feb 19 12:44 |
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| oiaohm | MS aggreement to adveratise Novell. | Feb 19 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | "That'll be $149, sir. We have a special offer today though. If you buy 6-month Linux protection from Microsoft, you get an extra 2 months free" | Feb 19 12:45 |
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| oiaohm | Makes there stores more of a laugh. | Feb 19 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | What it this CNN crapola (in my RSS feed for CNN>>Tech)? http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/expert.q.a... | Feb 19 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8220 "R&B singer Chris Brown has reportedly hired two PR agents specializing in crisis management to help rehabilitate his image following reports that he beat up his girlfriend, pop star Rihanna. PR Week reports that Brown has hired Michael Sitrick, who released a brief statement in Brown's name, expressing sorrow and sadness over the incident while admitting no guilt. " | Feb 19 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | PR, PR, PR... and more spin: "The "majority of American journalists covering climate change, energy, and environment understand that human industry is primarily responsible for global warming," writes Curtis Brainard. Unfortunately, "a small minority of pundits -- most of whom are talking heads and columnists, rather than hard news reporters" is "still trying to deny the well-established basics of climate science." http://www.prwat | Feb 19 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | ch.org/node/8221 | Feb 19 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8221 | Feb 19 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | Look at Sam being attacked for justified convictions.. "It looks like the editor of this article has hatred against Novell," ... "Looks the writer seems to hate Novell a lot... " < http://discuss.itwire.com/vi... > | Feb 19 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Likes Free software = hates Novel????? It's like the "Microsoft hater" label, which refers merely to hatred of CRIME. | Feb 19 13:08 |
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| MinceR | makes sense -- if someone likes freedom, they probably oppose those who want to take it away | Feb 19 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | No, NO! They're teh "HATERZ"! | Feb 19 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | CornyNovel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZtguZVIcZ4 | Feb 19 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR (I quote you here): A critique of Apple's practices and some words about Novell < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/1... > | Feb 19 14:34 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 19 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | Coal-fired power stations are death factories. Close them < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/f... > | Feb 19 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | A 'fraud' bigger than Madoff < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/... > | Feb 19 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | Bush Madoff? | Feb 19 15:00 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | apparently moonshite is now accepted into ubuntu for jaunty | Feb 19 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Moonshine? | Feb 19 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Or Moonlight? | Feb 19 15:02 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | moonlight | Feb 19 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Was Jo Shields involved? | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | You can see the devel mailing lists | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I don't know who that is | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | They'll try to poison the big distros for MS and Novell | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | he goes by directhex | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's him. | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Got URL? | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | http://blog.worldofcoding.com/2009/02... | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | that's how I found out | Feb 19 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Look at the blogroll. | Feb 19 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Is this a Mono devel? | Feb 19 15:04 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | probably, it doesn't have a name that I can see | Feb 19 15:05 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I just noticed the links on the side to miguel | Feb 19 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://shana.worldofcoding.com/ | Feb 19 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't seem like a Mono person | Feb 19 15:06 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | ah, ok | Feb 19 15:07 |
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| trmanco | who? | Feb 19 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing about it. | Feb 19 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | Give me 1 min | Feb 19 15:09 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | the person at worldofcoding.com | Feb 19 15:09 |
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| trmanco | she is portuguese | Feb 19 15:10 |
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| trmanco | I think | Feb 19 15:10 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | "so I'll just say I was born in Lisbon, Portugal" | Feb 19 15:12 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | looks like you are right | Feb 19 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/19/pushi... | Feb 19 15:12 |
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| trmanco | yeah, Portugal loves .NET mambo jumbo | Feb 19 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still proofreading | Feb 19 15:13 |
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| *schestowitz will need to create a petition or something | Feb 19 15:13 |
| trmanco | LOOOL -Z http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up... funny pic | Feb 19 15:14 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | trmanco, why? people should just program in c so it's fast | Feb 19 15:15 |
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| twitter | I've updated the M$ patent extortion log with links from Groklaw. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/... | Feb 19 15:15 |
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| trmanco | mib_r60ed8: why, what? | Feb 19 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: can you say that it's an old woman's behind mooning you? | Feb 19 15:16 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | why do ppl like it in portugal? | Feb 19 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Because it may be too small. | Feb 19 15:16 |
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| twitter | That picture was nasty. Left a bad taste in the mouth. | Feb 19 15:17 |
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| trmanco | mib_r60ed8: the portuguese government are huge fans of Billy boys ex company | Feb 19 15:17 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | ic | Feb 19 15:17 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: yeah, I guess I can :-P | Feb 19 15:18 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | .net is only for programmers who are worthless | Feb 19 15:18 |
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| twitter | almost like goatse | Feb 19 15:18 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | they need dnd to write code | Feb 19 15:18 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I heard the mono guys even wrote their compiler in .net, probly cuz couldn't write it w/o ez-mode gui program | Feb 19 15:20 |
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| trmanco | I simple kid can call themselves a programmer if they do it in .NET | Feb 19 15:20 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | yea | Feb 19 15:21 |
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| twitter | They are a programmer, just one that's wasting their time. | Feb 19 15:21 |
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| trmanco | VB 2008 even has some wizard to build up programs... what happen to real programming in MS world... maybe there never was | Feb 19 15:21 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | twitter, yea, should be learning to write real programs in c | Feb 19 15:21 |
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| twitter | perl, fortran, java, or some other free language. | Feb 19 15:22 |
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| trmanco | twitter: yes, I wasted my time... and am still wasting learning .NET crap programming :( | Feb 19 15:22 |
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| twitter | I'm sorry to hear that. | Feb 19 15:22 |
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| trmanco | if I wan't to program, say in GTK I'm on my own, and I like it like that | Feb 19 15:22 |
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| twitter | Hopefully, you are being paid for your torture. | Feb 19 15:22 |
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| trmanco | twitter: no I'm not | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | then why do you learn it? | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| trmanco | school doesn't usually pay its students | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| twitter | forced. | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| twitter | sorry. | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | ic | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| trmanco | that is why I say Portugal is a big .NET fan | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | go to another school? | Feb 19 15:23 |
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| trmanco | no | Feb 19 15:24 |
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| trmanco | 90% of portuguese schools have .NET stuff to teach to students | Feb 19 15:24 |
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| twitter | ugh! | Feb 19 15:24 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | you stdying to be programmer? | Feb 19 15:25 |
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| twitter | Are any of the remaining 10% worth attending? | Feb 19 15:25 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I want to study that | Feb 19 15:25 |
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| trmanco | I'm now actually learning c++ and I've sort of read the hole manual in a couple of hours and I got sick of reading .NET shit | Feb 19 15:25 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | to help linux | Feb 19 15:25 |
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| twitter | M$ programming stuff is usually awful, like reading freaky cult literature. | Feb 19 15:26 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | twitetr, do you program? | Feb 19 15:27 |
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| trmanco | twitter: I'm not sure if it 90% or 99.9999%, I kinda made a quick brief | Feb 19 15:27 |
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| trmanco | twitter: and programs like VB hide half the code from you | Feb 19 15:27 |
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| twitter | I have programmed in C and fortran. | Feb 19 15:27 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | any programs I might use? | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| twitter | device development, radiation transport and a little imaging. | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | the Protuguese needs to be scrutinised for allowing the 'sale' of young people to a criminal origanisation. | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| trmanco | mib_r60ed8: go use emacs and GCC :-P | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | What sort of examples and message does that send? | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | trmanco: oh, did twitter program those? | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| trmanco | I refuse to program (at home) in .NET | Feb 19 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Can you not lobby the schools? | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| trmanco | I already told my teacher and it is fine with him, but I'm on my own | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | They must not teach .NET or ASP junk | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | If they do, there's right to protest | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I heard of them and use gcc to compile stuff on my computer | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| twitter | Nah, all of the stuff I've done is deadly specific. | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| trmanco | mib_r60ed8: I don't know, maybe he contributed a patch or something :-P | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| twitter | Outside of transport, I used free tools to get my jobs done. | Feb 19 15:29 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I used gcc to compile my kde4.2 over the weekend | Feb 19 15:30 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | I looked at the code but it's too hard for me | Feb 19 15:30 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: I don't know, I have never tried | Feb 19 15:30 |
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| twitter | For one job, long ago, I learned Win95 API. The worst thing about VB was the cult like Bull Shit that you had to wade through to learn it. | Feb 19 15:30 |
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| twitter | "New paradigms in programming" and so on and so forth. | Feb 19 15:31 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 19 15:31 |
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| mib_r60ed8 | oh, I have to go. study hall is over, bye! | Feb 19 15:31 |
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| trmanco | bye | Feb 19 15:31 |
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| trmanco | I'm also learning PHP+MySQL :D | Feb 19 15:33 |
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| twitter | be careful trmanco, the best thing for you to do in school is what your are told. Make good grades and get yourself into a position to make a change. | Feb 19 15:33 |
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| trmanco | so not everthing is bad | Feb 19 15:33 |
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| trmanco | twitter: I'm the best the class has in programming (I'm not lying) or computer related stuff | Feb 19 15:34 |
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| twitter | good | Feb 19 15:34 |
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| twitter | I'm relatively convinced that I'm blacklisted and wish that I had been more careful in my protests. | Feb 19 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Republicans try to block Guantánamo detainees from prisons in their districts < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/16/guant... >; No mercy for mercenaries < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf... > | Feb 19 15:36 |
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| twitter | use TOR, protest anonymously. Don't get caught - the fuckers are watching. | Feb 19 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: "Linux is a cult that captures the best-and-brightest kids." --Jim Gray (Microsoft Research) | Feb 19 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Source: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up... | Feb 19 15:37 |
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| twitter | M$ is a cult that captures the flunkies. | Feb 19 15:37 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: | Feb 19 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is afraid of trmanco types | Feb 19 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft Munchkins attacked trmanco in USENET | Feb 19 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | They still do | Feb 19 15:38 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: sorry about that I'm not at home... It captured me 2~3 years ago | Feb 19 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | They try to harm those who promote technologies other than Microsoft's | Feb 19 15:39 |
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| trmanco | you guys have to forgive me for this, I'm on a Windows machine :( and I'm not familiar with my IRC client here | Feb 19 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Windows? | Feb 19 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see if I have a nuke proggy | Feb 19 15:40 |
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| twitter | that's not nice. | Feb 19 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/nuke/info.html | Feb 19 15:40 |
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| trmanco | yes, public library... the Ubuntu machines are all ocupied | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Back to ICQ days of nuking mates. | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: Ah....... | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | So it's a good thing | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | The Linux machines are occupied first | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Linux=meal; Windows = scraps | Feb 19 15:41 |
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| trmanco | yes.. only 3 Ubuntu machines... but better than nothing | Feb 19 15:42 |
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| twitter | It is probably too late for you trmanco. M$ will do what it can to suck you in make your life hard. | Feb 19 15:42 |
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| trmanco | I'm using Seamonkey though | Feb 19 15:42 |
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| twitter | Windows == poison. | Feb 19 15:42 |
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| trmanco | twitter: Microsoft doesn't make my "destiny" I do, I make the decisions around here :-P sort of... | Feb 19 15:43 |
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| trmanco | it is a slow poison | Feb 19 15:44 |
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| twitter | It is hard to make decisions when you have no options. | Feb 19 15:44 |
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| trmanco | slow into getting into our lives and slow by design | Feb 19 15:44 |
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| trmanco | I'm livving in a free world, I have my options | Feb 19 15:44 |
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| twitter | I can imagine all sorts of ways M$ can keep you from getting a job. | Feb 19 15:45 |
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| trmanco | just because school forced me into MS products, doesn't mean I won't learn free software | Feb 19 15:45 |
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| twitter | If they are friendly with your ISP, they can watch to see where you apply. | Feb 19 15:46 |
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| trmanco | I think I've said this before, people at school laugh at me for being different | Feb 19 15:46 |
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| twitter | from there they can directly or indirectly sabotage your chances | Feb 19 15:46 |
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| trmanco | twitter: my ISP suports free software | Feb 19 15:46 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the quote from me doesn't fit in the context though, as it kind of goes against your point :) | Feb 19 15:46 |
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| twitter | ah, that is helpful | Feb 19 15:47 |
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| trmanco | http://developers.sapo.pt/ | Feb 19 15:47 |
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| trmanco | it has an open IM service (XMPP) | Feb 19 15:47 |
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| twitter | like I said, I wish that I'd had the tools and knowledge to protect myself better when I started my advocacy. | Feb 19 15:47 |
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| trmanco | and a bunch of ohter thing | Feb 19 15:47 |
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| trmanco | they heavily contribute to some web email project, can't recall the name now | Feb 19 15:48 |
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| trmanco | and they use in their email service | Feb 19 15:48 |
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| twitter | it only takes one M$ mole to fish you out | Feb 19 15:49 |
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| twitter | M$ takes aim at individuals and will do everything it can to destroy each on their hit list. | Feb 19 15:50 |
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| trmanco | yep that is true, but they sure can die trying to fish me out of the free world | Feb 19 15:51 |
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| trmanco | I think I'm not on the list yet | Feb 19 15:51 |
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| twitter | I've read they will even go so far as to destroy the businesses of your relatives to eliminate your support network. | Feb 19 15:51 |
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| twitter | If they have attacked you in usenet, you are on their list. | Feb 19 15:52 |
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| trmanco | yes, "they" do attack me sometimes, it was worse before because I was posting some great advocacy, I stopped because I don't have the time to keep doing it, but I will continue as soon as I can | Feb 19 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Bray's mwife? | Feb 19 15:54 |
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| twitter | Can't remember. Got link? | Feb 19 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 19 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/Wh... | Feb 19 15:55 |
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| twitter | trmanco, do continue your advocacy but do so as anonymously as you can. | Feb 19 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Netscape hired me to represent their interests, and when I announced this, controversy ensued. Which is a nice way of saying that Microsoft went berserk; tried unsuccessfully to get me fired as co-editor, and then launched a vicious, deeply personal extended attack.." | Feb 19 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | " in which they tried to destroy my career and took lethal action against a small struggling company because my wife worked there." | Feb 19 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | " It was a sideshow of a sideshow of the great campaign to bury Netscape and I’m sure the executives have forgotten; but I haven’t. " | Feb 19 15:56 |
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| twitter | Yes, that's what I remember. Thanks for the link. | Feb 19 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | “...[C]ut off Netscape’s air supply.” --Paul Maritz, Vice President, Microsoft (Now VMWare CEO) | Feb 19 15:56 |
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| twitter | I will add it to my troll zoo. I think you have closed the manufacturing abuse comments. | Feb 19 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | You can put lipstick on a criminal, but it's still a criminal with lisptick. | Feb 19 15:57 |
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| trmanco | twitter: I will | Feb 19 15:57 |
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| twitter | cool | Feb 19 15:57 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: sort of like the Vista 7 thing, it is just Vista with some more lipstick :-P | Feb 19 15:57 |
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| trmanco | DRM+crappy code+lipstick = Vista | Feb 19 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Just got this E-mail: "We're all very proud of you, it's excellent that your website is getting so many visitors. It's time people started paying attention, don't you think? :o) " | Feb 19 15:59 |
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| trmanco | anonymous? | Feb 19 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Feb 19 15:59 |
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| trmanco | ok | Feb 19 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Wow! http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/japan... | Feb 19 16:02 |
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| trmanco | wow | Feb 19 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | But they choose specific pics | Feb 19 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | Like the colour of the suit... facial poses.. it's mostly to do with hair colour, I think. | Feb 19 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Old media vs new media (with FUD): "People's health could be harmed by social networking sites because they reduce levels of face-to-face contact, an expert claims." http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/h... | Feb 19 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | Craigslist used to complain that newspapers it was harming (classified) only ever covered FUD about Craigslist... which is probably TURE. | Feb 19 16:06 |
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| trmanco | speaking of social networks, schestowitz how is Identi.ca? | Feb 19 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft gets away with scamming customers: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/067/1... | Feb 19 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Could it be like yesterday's story about bribed judges? Who knows..? | Feb 19 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: haven't used it since. | Feb 19 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/schestowitz | Feb 19 16:09 |
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| trmanco | you can submit a bug report, or a feature request | Feb 19 16:09 |
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| trmanco | for the export thingy | Feb 19 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | It says expor.. Export data | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | You beat me to it | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Can it do the complete thing? | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Raw text? | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | I put like 14k comments in Digg. | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | I have no copies of them | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| trmanco | I have no idea | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Same in Slashdot.. | Feb 19 16:10 |
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| trmanco | it uses FOAF | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to toss my stuff around with someone else owning and controlling it | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Including forgeries. | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| trmanco | to export you profile data, but that is it, the messages don't get exported I think | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | FOAD doesn't give the message dara | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: have you seen indeti.ca license | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| trmanco | All Identi.ca content and data are available under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. | Feb 19 16:11 |
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| trmanco | better than nothing | Feb 19 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | If you can pull it | Feb 19 16:12 |
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| *trmanco checks Twitter | Feb 19 16:13 |
| schestowitz | The DB is theirs | Feb 19 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS is pushed to stop low-cost laptops: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090219PD201.html | Feb 19 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | They got into bed with Microsoft again... back to price-fixing and collusion | Feb 19 16:14 |
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| trmanco | http://twitter.com/terms | Feb 19 16:14 |
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| trmanco | not bad (copyright part) | Feb 19 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Can't anger The Beast | Feb 19 16:14 |
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| trmanco | :( Asus has good hardware | Feb 19 16:15 |
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| trmanco | too bad it usually sleeps with a monopolist | Feb 19 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Who puts money in http://www.the451group.com/ ? | Feb 19 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | I really don't know.... | Feb 19 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Redmonk at least admits that they are funded by Microsoft (in part). | Feb 19 16:16 |
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| trmanco | I have to got, see you guys later | Feb 19 16:17 |
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| trmanco | go* | Feb 19 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.the451group.com/report_view/re... "You must be a current client, or active trialist of The 451 Group's services to view active content." | Feb 19 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | So basically it's like journalism but not free | Feb 19 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Who would pay and what would be the impact? | Feb 19 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=moz... | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Our customers fall into three main groups: the vendors and service providers that create, manufacture and distribute these products and technologies; the investment community that initially funds, and then facilitates the sale or public offering of these vendors once they have become successful; and the organizations that buy and use these technologies. " | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | They don't give names of companies. | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| twitter | Japanese people rarely get gray hair.... the rest of the guy's face has not changed much. | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | So how do I know whose interests they are biased in favbour? | Feb 19 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | They visited Microsott last year. | Feb 19 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | What good is an analyst who doesn't say where money comes from? | Feb 19 16:21 |
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| twitter | reader subscriptions are a good way to fund a paper, translating that to the web can be difficult. | Feb 19 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's like the US government, which the Obama Brand is trying to Change(R) | Feb 19 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, and it affects the paper too | Feb 19 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Burton is an example | Feb 19 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft bribed the buggers with consulting, jobs, etc. for attacking Google, ODF, etc | Feb 19 16:22 |
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| twitter | Is it the Guardian or the Independent that's subscriber based and free on the web? | Feb 19 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | .I'm getting tired of this business of opinion for sale | Feb 19 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: some of these reports are expensive to read | Feb 19 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | But who would pay for them? | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Here goes: | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Tell analyst to do study to show X | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | 2. analyst published it with high price tag | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | 3. You subscribe to get the study | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | 4 Profit! (to analyst) | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| twitter | It's an old business. I've seen a statement from like 1900, where a woman's magazine told his advertisers that they were the real customers. | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Of course | Feb 19 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | The audience is the product | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | Priuvileged audience is product | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | Advertisers are customers | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | Just swtching on the TV won't generate money | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | To broadcasters, ads are what they call "content" | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | The show is what they call "fill" | Feb 19 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's there to have you engages and stay for the next "content" (commercial) break | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | They think the opposite from what people are led to believe. | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| twitter | It would not be so harmful if the rest of industry was not so consolidated, but these things are two sides of the same coin. | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should mail 351 Group? | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Ask them for disclosures? | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | *451 | Feb 19 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to criticise without asking first. | Feb 19 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | kim.kent@the451group.com | Feb 19 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about it cause I keep seeing rubbish like this: http://www.itwire.com/con... | Feb 19 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Hi, I wish to enquire why The 451 Group does not make any visible disclosure of its clients. Doing so would add great credibility. A response would be greatly appreciated. With kids regards, Roy" | Feb 19 16:28 |
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| twitter | gotta go for a while, keep it up. | Feb 19 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Fasthosts to offshore support staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Feb 19 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | HP imposes staff wage cuts < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... > Always followed by some insults like "you are not skilled enough", the "education system is behind (so we need visas)" and "you get paid too much" | Feb 19 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hostile email from the Open Rights Group < http://foocorp.org/products/exploringfreed... > | Feb 19 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Italian Judge Declines To Dismiss Lawsuit Charging Google Execs As Criminals For YouTube Video < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090219/... > | Feb 19 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Italian Cops Complain That They Can't Listen In On Skype < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > | Feb 19 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/... "And I'll wager that they're not all after the latest Ubuntu package or the Wikipedia selection for schools (which is, let me say, excellent)." | Feb 19 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Byfield says bad things about Debian even ( Debian GNU/Linux 5.0: Flexible and (Almost) Free < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/38... > ), despite the fact that he was in Progeny. | Feb 19 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | PR prelude to addiction of African schools (seen before): http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/How_a_group_... No word on GNU/Linux in Africa, which is why Microsoft does this. | Feb 19 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | *ping* trmanco | Feb 19 17:25 |
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| zer0c00l | good night | Feb 19 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | What's this site running? http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site... | Feb 19 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | It seems to be Windows | Feb 19 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Netcraft says Apache. | Feb 19 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | the site is case insensitive. | Feb 19 17:49 |
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| zer0c00l | may me wamp? | Feb 19 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's what I thiought | Feb 19 17:52 |
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| zer0c00l | windows+apache +mysql+pho | Feb 19 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | o they dumped IIS? | Feb 19 17:52 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Cause I do a post about it | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | may be | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | I want to get the facts right | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Can HTTP headers tell more? | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | what about nmap scan | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco has the utils | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | nmap -v -sS -O www.netcraft.com | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | I no longer have the Firefox plugin for HTTP headers. | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | ?? | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| PetoKraus | netcraft? | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | nmap is illegal in the UK | Feb 19 17:53 |
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| PetoKraus | is it | Feb 19 17:54 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 19 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Gordon and other Clowns think they'll stop crime by 'banning' something | Feb 19 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Like banning drinking for under 18s actually prevents them from drinking.... | Feb 19 17:54 |
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| zer0c00l | use some other os fingerprinting software | Feb 19 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | lol | Feb 19 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | actually it aggravates things | Feb 19 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | ban increases crimes | Feb 19 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 19 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 19 17:58 |
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| trmanco | back at home /relief | Feb 19 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: quick | Feb 19 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | What does http://www.razorfish.com run on? | Feb 19 18:24 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, no really | Feb 19 18:24 |
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| trmanco | not* | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to post | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | w3m -dump_head http://www.razorfish.com/ | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | HTTP/1.1 200 OK | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:45:54 GMT | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | Server: Apache | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | X-Powered-By: blank | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | Connection: close | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | More Microsoft destruction is coming shortly, I reckon. Selling part of MSFT instead officcisal layoffs. | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: cool, thanls. | Feb 19 18:25 |
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| trmanco | you're welcome | Feb 19 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Have a look while I still edit: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/1... | Feb 19 18:27 |
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| trmanco | so far so good | Feb 19 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | I made minor edits to make it clearer | Feb 19 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Now part II :-D | Feb 19 18:31 |
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| trmanco | :p | Feb 19 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | I just need to find a good picture. | Feb 19 18:33 |
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| trmanco | GNU make one | Feb 19 18:34 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 19 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Too tough.. http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1126853 | Feb 19 18:34 |
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| trmanco | loool | Feb 19 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah.. I'll use a GNU | Feb 19 18:34 |
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| trmanco | ;) good | Feb 19 18:37 |
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| trmanco | http://creativecommons.or... | Feb 19 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | I'll take a break now. I'll do part 2 later tonight | Feb 19 18:42 |
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| trmanco | ok | Feb 19 18:45 |
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| trmanco | the Tux3 filesystem is evolving rapidly | Feb 19 19:21 |
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| trmanco | transmission 1.50, wow, looks like I'm living under a rock | Feb 19 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm tires of hearing interop this and that. :-) 'interop' is just a two-party 'standard'. It's a scam 'standard'. It should be considered propaganda work like "intellectual property" or "piracy". | Feb 19 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | *tired | Feb 19 21:58 |
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| balzac | here's something funny | Feb 19 22:04 |
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| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9... | Feb 19 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube=shills | Feb 19 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Novell too.. | Feb 19 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/b... | Feb 19 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is flooding YouTube. | Feb 19 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Pirate Bay Supporters Hack Swedish IFPI Web Site < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159806/pirat... > | Feb 19 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Web Application Platform Coghead Shuts Down < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159828/web_a... > | Feb 19 22:13 |
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| balzac | Roy, I saw you quoted in a recent article regarding the inaccuracy of Net Applications browser statistics | Feb 19 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that was an SJVN article. SJVN is doing self torture: http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02/19/Ta... | Feb 19 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I made it into another IDG article this week and another next week (InfoWorld). We're being approaches for comments and taken seriously. Heise linked to us yesterday and got us like 10k pageviews | Feb 19 22:24 |
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| balzac | that must be nice | Feb 19 22:24 |
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| balzac | I had fantasies of being a successful blogger once | Feb 19 22:24 |
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| balzac | It was a combination of good branding and then a lot of hard work. | Feb 19 22:25 |
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| balzac | you guys earn your traffic | Feb 19 22:25 |
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| balzac | lots of scoops too | Feb 19 22:25 |
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| balzac | people are getting excited by microsoft's troubles | Feb 19 22:26 |
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| balzac | there's blood in the water | Feb 19 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I was doing blogging in schestowitz.com for years | Feb 19 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | It was personal stuff mostly (you can see if you are curious) | Feb 19 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | BN is just focused on a theme, so it seems to work | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| balzac | I got into it relatively late but made a good effort | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, too many people | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| balzac | prior to that, it was all about irc for me. | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hundreds of millions sharing the same hopes | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | FSDaily has sort of awoken again. | Feb 19 22:28 |
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| balzac | that's good news | Feb 19 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | LXer went back for half a day yesterday | Feb 19 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | IDG lays off massively | Feb 19 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | But that's a good one | Feb 19 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | .Although some of their *NIX/FOSS-centric ones got laid off too (they told me) | Feb 19 22:29 |
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| balzac | oh well... | Feb 19 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think I was ever laid off. | Feb 19 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | I just quit when it becomes too boring for me to do good work. | Feb 19 22:30 |
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| balzac | I've been fired and I've quit, but never been laid off. | Feb 19 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Unisys aint dead just yet... Unisys threatens Itanium with death < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/... > | Feb 19 22:32 |
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| balzac | I've never been part of a company big enough to have lay offs. I've contracted as such companies but never been employed. | Feb 19 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Unisys is the next SGI.. a zombie on taxpayers' life support (aka Chapter 11/stimulus/bailout/emergency) | Feb 19 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will likely need bailout too | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| balzac | hell no | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | They try to hoard people's critical and vital stuff for protection | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | This was pointed out around 2006 | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | I'll never forget it | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| balzac | cuba is coming out with an distro called Nova | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | They also lobbied very hard for 'bailout' (public looting) | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| balzac | they're making a concerted effort to switch to F&OSS | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer said this was necessary, almost frantically. | Feb 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Crocker | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| balzac | jeez | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | No va. | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | No go.. | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| balzac | I'm about to get hit badly by the IRS | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| balzac | yeah, I know | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | IRS.. | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't Obama say something about em? | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | I think Ron Paul did.. | Feb 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | About not needing them or something. | Feb 19 22:35 |
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| balzac | My taxes paid for last year will afford some bank executive two nights of indulgence with high-priced call-girls, high-grade cocaine and fancy champagne. | Feb 19 22:35 |
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| balzac | maybe just one night of indulgence for one of these aristocrats | Feb 19 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. sounds like them! | Feb 19 22:37 |
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| Balrog | erm ..... I'm tired of people writing software that uses GPL code and witholding their modified code :/ | Feb 19 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bateman | Feb 19 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: like VMmaritz? | Feb 19 22:38 |
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| balzac | it would be perfectly fair if I robbed one of these guys in person | Feb 19 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | New York is a crazy place | Feb 19 22:38 |
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| Balrog | unfortunately, independent developers do it too | Feb 19 22:39 |
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| Balrog | not many, but it really bugs me when I want to look at code that's supposed to be open and it isn't. | Feb 19 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Has your code been misused? | Feb 19 22:43 |
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| Balrog | no, not mine | Feb 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | McAfee is almost certainly a violator too | Feb 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | It can be buried by the FOSS people. | Feb 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | In the mean time it spread FOSS and GPL FUD every now and then, so it should be careful what it asks for. | Feb 19 22:44 |
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| Balrog | well the GPL has held up in court so far. | Feb 19 22:44 |
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| Balrog | but that doesn't matter, with court cases being so expensive these days | Feb 19 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Cisco coming up | Feb 19 22:45 |
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| Balrog | Yes. And they deserve it. | Feb 19 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | They do a lot of Linux/FOSS PR as a result. | Feb 19 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | They try to instill guilt in the accusers' minds. | Feb 19 22:49 |
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| Balrog | yeah, like that recent FOSS contest | Feb 19 22:50 |
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| Balrog | that was announced | Feb 19 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Another one is Nokia. My only concern with Nokia, for example, is that it belongs (in the copyrights sense) to a company that promotes software patents in Europe. It also defends DRM and it is sometimes hostile towards the GPL. | Feb 19 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia has just received like .3 billion dollars (or Euros) from Europe to develop Symbian. | Feb 19 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Why not Linux???????? | Feb 19 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | I believe that like all companies they have the chance to show that they can change and that Symbian open-source is not just a PR ploy intended to save a platform from the bitbucket (remember Palm OS?). If Symbian embraces GPLv3, that would give Linux a a kick in the pants and balzac too would appreciate it. | Feb 19 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | OK, the amount of $600 million. That's almost as much as it cost to develop Linux, assuming volunteer time and all..... | Feb 19 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Europe needs to invest in a good, open, participatory search engine. What ever happened to that Germany/France-led project they had? Instead they do silly LHC experiments. | Feb 19 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | IDG and that company from a Microsoft employee (OpenLogic) spread FOSS FUD now with the "RISK" buzzword: | Feb 19 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.contractoruk.com/004208.html | Feb 19 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | OMG! | Feb 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10535-0... "I believe the Android is Linux-based, but I know | Feb 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Symbian's not, and I don't think LiMo is." | Feb 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | And that's from the guy running the Linux blog of ZDNet? | Feb 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | No wonder, he doesn't even use Linux | Feb 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | CBSSports shuts out GNU/Linux users 'thanks' to Microsoft: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... | Feb 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | This one got me annoyed (the comments), so I replied: SILVER LIE it NOT cross-platform. Stop lying, Munchkins. | Feb 19 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/18/novell... "What does "Novell bashers" mean? People who say the truth? This is not stand-up comedy. There is no "bashing"." | Feb 19 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Thom Holwerda is defending Microsoft again (the reason for unsubscribing from OSNews): http://osnews.com/story/21002/Resorting_to_F... | Feb 19 23:24 |
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| Balrog | Well, Windows 7 has at least as much DRM as Vista | Feb 19 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. NotEnough PlaysForSure(R) | Feb 19 23:28 |
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| Balrog | And when it comes to Moonlight, one reason it has no use to me is that it won't play content I need to access (i.e. SonicFoundry MediaSite -produced contend from my university) | Feb 19 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | BTW: also irrelevant to Thom's slew of pro-Microsoft propaganda that got long-time subs -- me included -- leaving his site | Feb 19 23:29 |
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| Balrog | do you know any good alternatives to that product (SonicFoundry MediaSite)? They want to use something that's at least cross-platform but there doesn't seem to be a good solution. | Feb 19 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight can be a vector to DRM or denier of access. MS is already doing Silver Lie 3.0. Novell has only just gained 1.0 compat | Feb 19 23:30 |
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| Balrog | No, I'm talking about this product which you use to (a) videotape a lecture, (b) put it online. Unfortunately, the company uses Silverlight to do this. | Feb 19 23:31 |
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| Balrog | this is a hardware + software product. | Feb 19 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Shunning of that is needed. | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| Balrog | It's nicely done, but the fact it's tied to M$ is not a good thing at all. | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| Balrog | problem is, are there any other options? | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Which is why I am very upset when the MS lackeys bring up the fraudulent argument about x-platform | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| Balrog | (Seems that they use Silverlight for DRM, but we don't care about that at all) | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| Balrog | yeah right, x-platform | Feb 19 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: there are other options, including the explanation of ideaology to lecturers. | Feb 19 23:33 |
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| Balrog | doesn't even work with Mac unless the server admin does some fiddling with the server | Feb 19 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know the product, for for duration, preservation, curation eyc. they must avoid DRM | Feb 19 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's what we have CC people like Lessig trying to explain to the world, inc. lawmakers, Obama and so on. | Feb 19 23:33 |
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| Balrog | The idea is to (a) videotape a lecture and capture slides, (b) post it online so students can view it. It has to be easy to use and portable. | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | DRM does not shore up business. | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's an illusion | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| Balrog | There's NO requirement for DRM and stuff. WE don't want it | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is not solvable | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| Balrog | (the lecturers don't care.) | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | People with mics and tripods will grab one DRM-free copy | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| MinceR | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | They can then use protable media to mreplicate | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | They need to find new biz models. | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| MinceR | Obama Anti-Trust Chief Asleep At The Wheel | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| MinceR | 'For me, Microsoft is so last century. They are not the problem,' | Feb 19 23:34 |
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| Balrog | yeah I saw that | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| MinceR | i wonder how much did that sentence cost. | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I wrote about it | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Potential crony | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| MinceR | good. :) | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | But she did the Netscape hack job | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Submitted by Mike Elgan | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft fan in some ways | Feb 19 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Proud "Windows guy" according to him | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Must have liked this 'news'.. | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Prodding the nominee like it's the Oscars... | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | haha! | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | post by Preston Gralla | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shills galore | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | and Slashdot drank it!! | Feb 19 23:36 |
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| Balrog | I don't think Google will have a problem. They're behind Android after all, and so much of their other code is FOSS (Google Gears, Google Updater, and probably others) | Feb 19 23:39 |
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| MinceR | well, microsoft is the american dream | Feb 19 23:39 |
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| MinceR | moneygrubbing at all costs, crushing all opposition via unethical means | Feb 19 23:39 |
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| MinceR | it's what everybody wants to do | Feb 19 23:39 |
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| MinceR | and the clueless masses worship them for it | Feb 19 23:40 |
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| Balrog | yeah, and it's what was going on in the 1900's too....that led to the failure of many companies | Feb 19 23:40 |
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| Balrog | (i.e. the railroads, the steel industry) | Feb 19 23:40 |
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| MinceR | a "university" here in budapest even honored SweatyBeast | Feb 19 23:40 |
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| Balrog | who's SweatyBeast?? | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | because someone who gets rich by ruining an industry and hindering technological advancement by years must be looked up to | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | Balrog: Monkey Boy | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | also known as steve ballmer | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| Balrog | ah. | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | it also says something about what our government dares call our "educational system" | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | well, superficially that wreckage does resemble an educational system... | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| Balrog | Well, it's interesting what goes on at the uni I work / study at. The faculty is mixed over Windows, but the sysadmins hate it | Feb 19 23:41 |
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| MinceR | i'm guessing they're ones who have to solve the problems arising from its use | Feb 19 23:42 |
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| Balrog | (and hate working with stuff like the video-capture ones mentioned) | Feb 19 23:42 |
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| Balrog | yes, unfortunately | Feb 19 23:42 |
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| Balrog | I work for them and therefore see it. | Feb 19 23:42 |
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| Balrog | (the sysadmins) | Feb 19 23:42 |
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| Balrog | Lately I've been doing Solaris stuff (on SPARC machines) .... it's a pain in a way but you can't compare it to how bad Windows is. | Feb 19 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: education system -> training centre | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| MinceR | i'd call it brainwashing, but yes. | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Many universities are privatized and made property of companies over time, literally (France a recent joiner under Sarkoism) | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| Balrog | The professors are a mixed bunch. There are a several who prefer cross platform, several (apparently a smaller group) that prefer Windows / .NET / C# / VB, and a few that are too lazy to care. | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that education IS a system of imposed ignorance | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's about obedience | Feb 19 23:46 |
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| MinceR | i think we should start a new kind of society | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Preparing young mind for mode of thought. | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | I had a conversation about this earlier at the gym | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| MinceR | for people who care about freedom and a life that isn't about trying to do as much damage as everyone else as possible | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| Balrog | Like for information science + tech students, they require VB | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | This guy who rebelled many years ago while at school got marginalised | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| MinceR | one founded on intelligence, not ignorance. | Feb 19 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you ask to undo the AmericanDream(C) merchandise | Feb 19 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer might have something to say about it. | Feb 19 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Healthy doses of AmericanDream(C) is what keeps those already in power in power | Feb 19 23:48 |
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| MinceR | i ask to start something new | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| MinceR | leave the ignorant masses to the hell they love so much. | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Of course, most people will listen to shill 'studies' and believe that artifically-made fats are OK because "Everyone eats then" | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| MinceR | and then kill them with war robots. | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | They'll dream of pensions but die at 61 froma heart attack | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Saves money for the countries | Feb 19 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | And when 401k collapses, the execs will fly over (private jet) for bailout requests | Feb 19 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | That's the American Dream | Feb 19 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | Tough love... "good for me... tough for everyone else" | Feb 19 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: what if all levels were made /not/ ignorant as you suggest? | Feb 19 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | I think we have too much reliant on people being educated that being slaves is acceptance. | Feb 19 23:51 |
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| MinceR | as far as i can tell, clueful people are a scattered extreme minority. | Feb 19 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | And that bad engineering and tough love is OK if there is an emergency (e.g. "War" on "terrorism) | Feb 19 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's when people stop caring about their freedom, diet, old mother, etc. and stick together to 'save the Queen' so to speak. | Feb 19 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | So a level of brainwash sometimes glues an operational society together | Feb 19 23:52 |
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| MinceR | and there's always an emergency now | Feb 19 23:53 |
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| MinceR | we have always been at war with oceania | Feb 19 23:53 |
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| Balrog | At the school I'm at, computer science students don't need to take any of those courses; information science programs are required to take two .NET courses | Feb 19 23:53 |
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| Balrog | but yeah, as a whole, schools aren't that open | Feb 19 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Clash of Cultures mode | Feb 19 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con... | Feb 19 23:54 |
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| MinceR | 005314 < MinceR> for people who care about freedom and a life that isn't about trying to do as much damage as everyone else as possible | Feb 19 23:54 |
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| MinceR | s/as everyone/to everyone/ | Feb 19 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Good talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boBzrqF4vmo | Feb 19 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu comes to mind as the "Another way" | Feb 19 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu not as in the O/S... they sort of hijacked a word that's commonly used in the African press where crisis (real one like hunger) is a lot more common | Feb 19 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | In the US, crisis = might have to give up the second car | Feb 19 23:56 |
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