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08.22.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 21st, 2008 – Part I

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:19 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Enter the IRC channel now

twitter OT, the mechanics of abuse.  http://www.alternet.org/right… Aug 21 00:02
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dsmith_ hey sch Aug 21 03:29
dsmith_ schestowitz: Aug 21 03:29
dsmith_ lol Aug 21 03:29
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schestowitz Stating the obvious almost 2 years late: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2… Aug 21 06:53
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dsmith_ Microsoft may have 2,000 developers working on Windows 7  -  http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/d… Aug 21 06:55
dsmith_ Interesting tidbit Aug 21 06:55
schestowitz Just more hype and vapourware. Aug 21 06:56
dsmith_ I wonder how mnay of those so-called developers are not US citizen’s and, if some of them will take 6-months to develop the windows login sound. Aug 21 06:56
dsmith_ i know Aug 21 06:57
schestowitz They still need to make people think about ‘tomorrow’s Windows’, as though it exists. It’s intended to freeze the market and it’s a form of fraud. Aug 21 06:57
dsmith_ Vista, 5 billion dollars to develop and 6-months to choose a login sound Aug 21 06:57
dsmith_ heh Aug 21 06:57
schestowitz Yeah, I remember that. Aug 21 06:57
dsmith_ i often ask ppl what are you going to use in 10-years? obviously not windows.. Aug 21 06:58
schestowitz 10 years. I don’t think OSes of the current type will exist then. Aug 21 06:58
dsmith_ http://www.imgx.org/pfiles/7762/ubu… Aug 21 06:59
dsmith_ current type? Aug 21 06:59
dsmith_ I dont se them disappearing anytime soon Aug 21 06:59
schestowitz Virtual appliances and clouds are likely. You then architecture the O/S to suit it. Aug 21 06:59
dsmith_ I still do not see that being a viable c=solution Aug 21 07:00
dsmith_ VM apps yes Aug 21 07:00
dsmith_ clouds, for businesses perhaps Aug 21 07:00
dsmith_ depends on the size of the compnay Aug 21 07:00
schestowitz They can run their own ‘clouds’ for privacy. Aug 21 07:01
dsmith_ yes Aug 21 07:01
schestowitz A lot of Web-based software that didn’t exist before is already used in enterprises. Aug 21 07:01
dsmith_ i do know that MS is building alot of data centers.. Aug 21 07:01
dsmith_ web-based…hehe No one at my office understands that.. Aug 21 07:02
dsmith_ I tried to go that route for a few apps Aug 21 07:02
schestowitz Microsoft is well behind Google. 200,000 servers versus over a million of Google, IIRC. Aug 21 07:02
schestowitz On Bill Gates’ pseudoretirement: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008… Aug 21 07:05
dsmith_ 200K windows boxes vs Google’s custom linux OS Aug 21 07:05
dsmith_ mS should just focus on one thing Aug 21 07:06
schestowitz They think that just throwing lots of Windows boxes out there is enough, but to get them organised and occupied is the challenge. They can’t pull it off too well. Yesterday I posted some links about their spaying on users. Even IE users are tracked by Microsoft everywhere they go. IE is spyware by default. It’s a huge security/privacy hazard. Aug 21 07:08
dsmith_ oh yes Aug 21 07:08
schestowitz dsmith_: they can’t focus on one thing because rivers run dry and the cash cows are made redundant over time Aug 21 07:09
schestowitz They tried hardware (XBox, Zune), they wanted to produce chips 2 years ago, electricity, banking, loans… you name it, Microsoft has tried it or at least thought about it. The company makes money only in wealthy country and it’s not as rich as people are lef to believe. Aug 21 07:10
dsmith_ true Aug 21 07:11
schestowitz “For instance, Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit Aug 21 07:11
schestowitz of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the Aug 21 07:11
schestowitz change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss Aug 21 07:11
schestowitz of $18 billion, according to Smithers.” Aug 21 07:11
schestowitz http://etheridge.ca/articles/… Aug 21 07:11
dsmith_ this sums it up for me, Microsoft Windows def. “32 bit extensions and a graphical shell [on top of] a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can’t stand 1 bit of competition.” Aug 21 07:11
dsmith_ i read that so -$18B Aug 21 07:12
schestowitz It’s from the Economist (the article above), but it vanished from its source!! Aug 21 07:12
schestowitz And that was /before/ the bubble blew. Aug 21 07:12
dsmith_ wow, they must have had them pull it Aug 21 07:12
schestowitz I don’t think so. Too much like it’s begging for the ‘paranoid’ label. Bear in mind that this article was big at the time. Led to quite a stir and cited. Enrons are a scary thing.. Aug 21 07:13
dsmith_ lol Aug 21 07:13
dsmith_ yep Aug 21 07:13
dsmith_ interesting chart http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/image… Aug 21 07:13
schestowitz It makes SPs visible. Aug 21 07:15
schestowitz That’s just silly. How much does an SP add? Allchin regretted making XP SPs rather than calling them new releases. 7 is just a Vista SP if it’s ever released. It’s about escaping a bad name. Aug 21 07:16
dsmith_ I was wondering about that Aug 21 07:17
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schestowitz Windows 7 Server to be ‘minor release’: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwa… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Bill Gates: Windows 7 – Amazing Things – But no clue as to what they actually are : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bill-Gates-Win… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Microsoft Promises Predictable Schedule for Windows 7: http://www.pcworld.com/business… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Windows 7: R.I.P. : http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprise… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Is Microsoft Repeating Vista Mistakes with Windows 7? : http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xh… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Windows 7 Shows Microsoft Hasn’t Learned Vista Lessons: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/m… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Eight Things About Windows 7: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/ope… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Are These Windows Transparent or Translucent? : http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/operating_syste… we do know about Windows 7: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1413 Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Windows 7: The information lockdown continues: http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Microsoft Clears Gates-Induced Confusion about Windows 7: http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Micro… Aug 21 07:21
schestowitz Microsoft : Windows 7 still in planning stage and will take approximately 3 years to develop: http://www.winvistaclub.com/i7.html Aug 21 07:21
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schestowitz Another new one: http://blogs.computerworld.com/windo… “So, what are you going to do? I recommend giving desktop Linux or the Mac a serious look. Vista, whether you call it Vista SP2 or Windows 7, is a dead-end operating system. “ Aug 21 07:32
PetoKraus hehe Aug 21 07:37
PetoKraus http://www.nin.com/index.html#21… Aug 21 07:37
PetoKraus shows why recording companies are BAD BAD Aug 21 07:38
dsmith_ i responded to sjvn blog Aug 21 07:39
schestowitz Is it them who made torrents for rexises? Aug 21 07:39
schestowitz *remixes? Aug 21 07:39
PetoKraus schestowitz: well, yes Aug 21 07:39
*schestowitz thumbs-upped DOUGMan Aug 21 07:40
PetoKraus their last album was for free (as in both), the previous album had free sampler (8 tracks out of 36), you could get the whole 36 for 5$ Aug 21 07:40
PetoKraus this vinyl is released by their former recording company though, that’s why there is this bitter comment and picture :) Aug 21 07:41
schestowitz Has YouTube Just Been Saved? : ‘In the last few months, CBS, Universal Music, Lionsgate, Electronic Arts and other companies have stopped prodding YouTube to remove unauthorized clips of their movies, music videos and other content and started selling advertising against them.’ : http://www.computerworlduk.com/tool… Aug 21 07:41
schestowitz U2 tracks disappear from YouTube : “U2′s manager Paul McGuinness is likely to be unimpressed. He has been highly critical of companies like Apple and ISPs which he described as” providing “burglary kits” allowing people to steal music.” : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… Aug 21 07:41
schestowitz The price-fixing barriers are being shot down. They have always enjoyed exclusivity i distribution, but the Internet and new artists that can reach the masses end this monopoly. Aug 21 07:43
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schestowitz British Government Violates Copyright — Now Cometh Letter: “As much as I utterly despise the entire premise of Intellectual Monopoly, this is about violating the principles of a Free License, and if it’s good enough for the British government to violate our civil rights in the name of Intellectual Monopoly, then it’s good enough for the Free World to protect its “property” (in fact Freedom) too…” http://slated.org/british_govern Aug 21 08:26
schestowitz ment_violates_copyright Aug 21 08:26
schestowitz http://slated.org/british_gov… Aug 21 08:27
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schestowitz Just posted in Sutor’s blog: What’s with the Mono in Second Life. Has SL been taken over by former Softies or something? Please write something about it if you can. Aug 21 08:44
dsmith_ mono/ Aug 21 08:57
dsmith_ ? Aug 21 08:57
schestowitz Yes. Aug 21 08:58
schestowitz It’s almost as though IBM et al. encourage people to embrace *gasp* .NET and also enable contamination of GNU/Linux. Aug 21 08:59
schestowitz Bear in mind that Sutor does not like Mono. I don’t know if it’s just because of the s/w patents thing or because, as he recently said, it’s important to stop copying Windows (or Microsoft). Aug 21 09:00
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PetoKraus hehe! great Aug 21 09:24
PetoKraus that british government thing Aug 21 09:24
schestowitz Lots of copies were sent, including to Lessig, WordPress’ co-founder and others who won’t be too happy pappy (even me). Aug 21 09:28
PetoKraus that’s retarded Aug 21 09:30
PetoKraus british govt is retarded Aug 21 09:30
PetoKraus my friend, he’s from london. he lived 3 years in turkey with his father. Then he came back to britain Aug 21 09:30
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schestowitz Gardon’s office is probably as bad as the rest. It just happens to be exposed. Aug 21 09:31
PetoKraus he has to pay for the school in scotland (classifying him as a person not spending last 3 years in the EU) Aug 21 09:31
PetoKraus while he’s born english Aug 21 09:31
PetoKraus and the best part – he has to pay international fees, which are 12 grand per year (instead of 1.7 grand) Aug 21 09:31
schestowitz For school? You mean, college/university? Aug 21 09:32
PetoKraus yup Aug 21 09:32
schestowitz It’s a mechanism to feed professors and keeping the poor people away from opportunities. Aug 21 09:32
PetoKraus the irony is – I, as a EU national, don’t have to pay a penny. He, as a born englishman, who happened to live part of his life in Turkey, has to pay 12 grand. Aug 21 09:33
schestowitz EU nationals have different fares though. Aug 21 09:35
PetoKraus yes, SAAS pays 1.7k for me Aug 21 09:36
PetoKraus i wonder about that guy, mcGuinness Aug 21 09:50
PetoKraus i mean, how can you “steal” music? Aug 21 09:51
schestowitz I’ve just stolen your message Aug 21 09:51
schestowitz “<PetoKraus> i mean, how can you “steal” music?” BWAHAHAHA!! Aug 21 09:51
PetoKraus oh noes! Aug 21 09:51
schestowitz Well, the point anyway is that it’s a matter of perception, education, brainwash. Aug 21 09:52
PetoKraus but that’d mean i can’t use that message again, since if it’s stolen i don’t have it, right/ Aug 21 09:52
schestowitz That said, there’s copyright law, but its extension and change is outdated. Aug 21 09:52
PetoKraus but… but when you play piano and someone records it, he doesn’t violate any copyright law Aug 21 09:52
PetoKraus i mean, i think there wasn’t any “copyright notice” Aug 21 09:53
schestowitz A lot of people have come to recognise fair use and sharing of ideas.. Who are we to claim ownership of text that merely mixes (mashup) bits of information we learned? Aug 21 09:53
PetoKraus that recording seagulls in this area is prohibited Aug 21 09:53
schestowitz Musicians too are merely making use of inspirations Aug 21 09:53
PetoKraus moreover, i guess the attribution part was satisfied on youtube Aug 21 09:54
schestowitz Let me find something. Aug 21 09:54
PetoKraus soon, they’ll prohibit you from taking pictures of buildings Aug 21 09:55
schestowitz http://slated.org/intellectual_insanity Aug 21 09:55
schestowitz This one is better: http://slated.org/the_right_to_ow… Aug 21 09:56
schestowitz PetoKraus: taking photos of stuff is already forbidden (to an extent) in the US. I’m not joking. Aug 21 09:56
PetoKraus well, yes, it’s forbidden for army stuff all around the world, i guess Aug 21 09:57
schestowitz http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/1… Aug 21 09:57
PetoKraus and if you take picture of someone and want to use it commercially, you should have his confirmation Aug 21 09:57
schestowitz “Then there’s the Lone Cypress, a tree along California’s famous 17-Mile Drive. It’s probably the most infamous example of someone trying to exert ridiculous intellectual property rights. They must’ve made it sound like a good idea, though, because it seems that the idea of copyrighting trees is catching on.” Aug 21 09:57
schestowitz Just found: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsst… : “There’s a lot of Linux out there — much more than Microsoft generally signals publicly — and their customers are using it, so it’s important that Microsoft have a good interoperability story on that front. Linking up with a Linux vendor is a good way to do that,” added Paul DeGroot, a Directions On Microsoft analyst. Aug 21 10:10
PetoKraus schestowitz: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Co… this is good to know Aug 21 10:14
*schestowitz looks Aug 21 10:14
schestowitz The ‘right’ to see. Aug 21 10:15
PetoKraus ;) yes Aug 21 10:15
schestowitz The Aliens are watching us up there in the sky laughing. Trust me, I can tell!! :-) Aug 21 10:16
PetoKraus :) let’s sue them, they are infringing some IP rights for sure! Aug 21 10:16
schestowitz Only if they take satellite images. Aug 21 10:17
schestowitz 29% of Internet Users Buy from Spam: http://news.softpedia.com/news/2… Aug 21 10:22
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blackrabbit I would like to step on a suse ms coupon over and over Aug 21 12:03
MinceR i would like to step on steve ballmer over and over Aug 21 12:04
blackrabbit lol Aug 21 12:04
schestowitz He has chair. Aug 21 12:04
blackrabbit someone should make a theme party called steve ballmer egg paint ball Aug 21 12:04
schestowitz In Microsoft, that is. Aug 21 12:04
schestowitz blackrabbit: there’s a site for this. Aug 21 12:04
blackrabbit oh my Aug 21 12:04
schestowitz http://www.egg-attack.com/ Aug 21 12:05
blackrabbit :P Aug 21 12:06
blackrabbit why am I not surprised Aug 21 12:06
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schestowitz Have you seen it before? Aug 21 12:08
blackrabbit no Aug 21 12:08
blackrabbit flash, right? Aug 21 12:08
blackrabbit I don’t load flash sites Aug 21 12:08
blackrabbit that would require me using proprietary flash Aug 21 12:09
schestowitz Yes, indeed. Aug 21 12:12
blackrabbit I can’t do that! Aug 21 12:12
blackrabbit did you read about the recent clipboard issue with flash? Aug 21 12:13
blackrabbit one example Aug 21 12:13
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blackrabbit schestowitz, last time, I left when you had just mentioned Bilderberg. Now there’s an interesting subject. Aug 21 12:15
blackrabbit <schestowitz> Not to mention Gardon and Tony and their connection with the Bilderberg, with which the Gates family too is associated. Aug 21 12:16
schestowitz Yes. Aug 21 12:20
*schestowitz got distracted by a post on FSF India Aug 21 12:20
schestowitz Melinda goes to these meetings. I don’t know about Bill though. They have a chatter down the hallway. That’s how business works. Aug 21 12:21
blackrabbit like Rice and Russia Aug 21 12:22
schestowitz Really? I knew nothing about it. What does she have to do with ‘them’ (sarcastically speaking)? Aug 21 12:26
blackrabbit I was speaking along the lines of, or hinting at, sending a softer approach Aug 21 12:26
schestowitz (Because, you know, in America the ‘them’ are now the Muslims). Aug 21 12:27
blackrabbit Rice and Russia, Melinda and Bilderberg Aug 21 12:27
schestowitz “Softer” or “Microsoft-softer”? Aug 21 12:27
blackrabbit for example Aug 21 12:27
blackrabbit let’s say I was a high profile person in the world of business Aug 21 12:27
blackrabbit let’s say my wife or husband were not so high profile Aug 21 12:28
blackrabbit were I to attend a controversial meeting or newsworthy event some may not agree with Aug 21 12:28
blackrabbit how would this be viewed and would the hounds of the world cry out with commentary Aug 21 12:28
blackrabbit vs. my parter going Aug 21 12:28
blackrabbit IMO it’s about image Aug 21 12:28
blackrabbit I’m not sure I understand the them and Muslim reference Aug 21 12:29
schestowitz Regarding the former point, see Deborah Majoras (FTC head) and her husband. Aug 21 12:30
schestowitz Coflicting interest, she made a mockery out of the FTC IMHO, then left to join P&G Aug 21 12:30
blackrabbit schestowitz have you ever visited America, will you ever? Aug 21 12:30
schestowitz Regarding the latter, in the mind of ‘the people’, governments try to install some poison. Aug 21 12:30
schestowitz In the past, the ‘they’ (bad guys) were the Soviets. Now it’s the Muslim world, based on what I’ve learned. Not my opinion though. Aug 21 12:31
blackrabbit I have not, but I’d surely go if there was something interesting enough to compel me, like the launch of Linux on desktops at all major OEMs. :D Aug 21 12:31
trmanco http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/0… Aug 21 12:33
schestowitz Yes, seen it. Asked them about this too. Aug 21 12:33
schestowitz blackrabbit: yes, visited America several times. I have some family there. Aug 21 12:34
blackrabbit how did you like it Aug 21 12:34
schestowitz I liked it more when I was younger. Aug 21 12:34
blackrabbit secondlife, the game? Aug 21 12:35
blackrabbit what is the blog post about, is it using mono or something? Aug 21 12:36
schestowitz Yes, Mono on the servers. Aug 21 12:37
schestowitz It’s not news to me. I noticed that about a month ago, but now they make a post about it. Aug 21 12:37
schestowitz Since some of the management there had jumped ship, I asked Sutor if some former Softies or something were hired. He doesn’t like Mono and hopefully this can be stopped. Aug 21 12:38
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blackrabbit is it just me, or is the MS creep coming from all sides? Aug 21 12:40
blackrabbit mono, silverfish, suezee, etc. Aug 21 12:41
blackrabbit the FSF could be doing a lot more Aug 21 12:41
schestowitz Yes, but it’s because they move between company. Aug 21 12:41
blackrabbit I think they need a cerebral kick in the balls Aug 21 12:41
schestowitz I have a must-read for you… to be posted shortly. Aug 21 12:42
schestowitz Microsoft and VMWare make peace just weeks after Maritz (Micorsofter) took over. Aug 21 12:42
blackrabbit the badvista site, for one, needs a facelift and more frequently added news Aug 21 12:42
blackrabbit thanks Aug 21 12:42
schestowitz There’s potentially more. Aug 21 12:42
schestowitz Yesterday I posted a link that was discussed here. Aug 21 12:42
schestowitz let me find it. Aug 21 12:43
blackrabbit I enjoyed your post a few weeks ago which we discussed in here about corporate “plants” Aug 21 12:43
schestowitz Former Head of Business Development and M&A for Microsoft Office Live Joins TASER International as Chief Strategy Officer – http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/former-h… Aug 21 12:43
schestowitz “Strategy” = buy Microsoft? Aug 21 12:43
schestowitz I saw this with Vodaphone. They just need to plant some execs in decision-making roles. This seems to have been the strategy against XenSource. Aug 21 12:44
blackrabbit taser? Aug 21 12:44
schestowitz TASER Aug 21 12:44
schestowitz “TASER International’s products protect life. TASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, medical, military, corrections, professional security, and personal protection markets. TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens..” Aug 21 12:44
blackrabbit what’s the status of Zimbra? Aug 21 12:44
blackrabbit is it the only exchange alternative? Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit oh Aug 21 12:45
schestowitz Still alive, bad PR though. The beast is still sweating and dripping and drooling over it. Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit nice Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit this reminds me of their (MS) involvement in some grocery store ad targeting Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit deeper and deeper they go Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit wasn’t there something a few months ago about ms and hospitals, too Aug 21 12:45
blackrabbit I could’ve sworn I read something Aug 21 12:46
blackrabbit speaking of PR, schestowitz, it’s a shame you don’t have more people working directly @ bn, you should write a book and go more high profile Aug 21 12:46
schestowitz Oh, gosh. Do you already have some Microsoft grocery carts? Aug 21 12:46
schestowitz Yes, Microsoft wants medical data too. Aug 21 12:47
schestowitz Maybe while you’re out shopping your banner will display prescription/medication recommended based on your medical records. And the strangers go past watching… Aug 21 12:47
schestowitz http://blog.wired.com/business…   Microsoft Responds To Congress: Hey, We Could Be Worse! Aug 21 12:48
schestowitz http://www.crn.com.au/News/82862,m…  Microsoft tracks people with RFID tags Aug 21 12:48
blackrabbit lol Aug 21 12:48
schestowitz All from yesterday. Another one: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/m… Microsoft: Of Course We Spy On Our Web Users. But Not As Much As The Other Guys Aug 21 12:48
schestowitz “Wah wah wah!! He started it!!!111″ Aug 21 12:48
schestowitz Microsoft owes a lot to Google. Google permitted Microsoft to sink to new moral grounds and give Orwell the middle finger. Aug 21 12:49
blackrabbit I’m surprised a company exists to balance the MS element Aug 21 12:53
schestowitz You probably want to watch the video in this new post (seconds old): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/bo… Aug 21 12:54
blackrabbit thanks Aug 21 12:54
blackrabbit I appreciate your use of ogg Aug 21 12:54
blackrabbit what program(s) do you use for your video creation? Aug 21 12:55
schestowitz On to the Maritz article. Aug 21 12:55
schestowitz I use ffmpeg Aug 21 12:55
blackrabbit oh Aug 21 12:56
trmanco http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/200… Aug 21 12:56
blackrabbit have you tried winff? it’s available for linux, too, despite the name Aug 21 12:56
schestowitz trmanco: thanks for that. Aug 21 13:00
schestowitz I have it in my text file for some editing and posting in about an hour. Aug 21 13:00
schestowitz blackrabbit: is it for editing? I only ever transcode. Aug 21 13:00
trmanco you’re welcome :) Aug 21 13:01
blackrabbit http://www.winff.org/    “Convert your videos quickly, easily, and all at once with WinFF and FFmpeg. WinFF is a GUI for the command line video converter, FFMPEG. It will convert most any video file that FFmpeg will convert. WinFF does multiple files in multiple formats at one time. You can for example convert mpeg’s, flv’s, and mov’s, all into avi’s all at once. WinFF is available for Windows 95, 98 , ME, NT, XP, and VISTA, Deb Aug 21 13:01
blackrabbit ian, Ubuntu, and Redhat based GNU/Linux distributions.” Aug 21 13:01
blackrabbit appears to be a converter Aug 21 13:01
schestowitz I think I have it bookmarked, unless it’s something else. The CLI is quicker for me. Aug 21 13:02
schestowitz Also keeps things private, in case I transcode copyrighted things, which I don’t. Aug 21 13:02
schestowitz Oh wait. Aug 21 13:02
schestowitz I didn’t follow the URL and I thought it was Web-based. Aug 21 13:03
blackrabbit hell no Aug 21 13:03
blackrabbit I’d never recommend one of those Aug 21 13:03
schestowitz Either way, in the past I used PyTube, but it wasn’t good the last time I tried it. Google moved goalposts or something./ Aug 21 13:03
blackrabbit WinFF appears to be a frontend for ffmpeg Aug 21 13:04
blackrabbit I installed it but I’ve not tried it since installing :/ Aug 21 13:04
blackrabbit give it a try, it could speed things up for you Aug 21 13:05
blackrabbit I resort to using wine for some converters Aug 21 13:05
blackrabbit some free converters found at sourceforge Aug 21 13:06
blackrabbit wish they were ported to nix but what can you do Aug 21 13:06
blackrabbit I’m giving reactos a try now and then too Aug 21 13:06
blackrabbit it works well in qemu but it has a long way to go IMO Aug 21 13:06
schestowitz Hmmm… if only I was feeling slow with ffmpeg Aug 21 13:07
schestowitz It’s really in bash history or a copy-and-paste job for me. Aug 21 13:08
schestowitz I have a good workflow as it is. I edit all my posts in Kate, which is a development tool (editor). :-) Aug 21 13:08
blackrabbit I used to do it that way, too Aug 21 13:08
blackrabbit for most purposes ffmpeg at CLI works well Aug 21 13:08
blackrabbit oh, you use KDE? or KDE4? Aug 21 13:09
schestowitz 3.5.9 Aug 21 13:10
schestowitz Can you recommend a good HTML editor? Aug 21 13:10
blackrabbit nice Aug 21 13:10
blackrabbit Kate? :D Aug 21 13:10
schestowitz I’ll use 4.x, but I just worry about having an NVidia GPU. Aug 21 13:11
blackrabbit I don’t edit HTML, sorry IDK Aug 21 13:11
schestowitz The Plasma guy (Aarons’s colleague) last complained about NVidia’s latest drivers (beta, IIRC) yesterday. Aug 21 13:11
blackrabbit I’d worry too, proprietary software and all Aug 21 13:12
blackrabbit well beta software is beta :D Aug 21 13:12
*blackrabbit whispers winff to schestowitz several times Aug 21 13:13
blackrabbit try it try it try it Aug 21 13:13
blackrabbit you want to try it Aug 21 13:13
blackrabbit I don’t know why they call it winff when its available for linux Aug 21 13:14
blackrabbit you think he’d change the name for the linux version Aug 21 13:14
schestowitz How will it improve my workflow. Also, ffmpeg is more universal. I can have it hop between distros and work many years from now. Aug 21 13:17
schestowitz Is winff even on the repos? Is it GPL? Aug 21 13:17
MinceR 141401 <@schestowitz> Can you recommend a good HTML editor? Aug 21 13:17
MinceR gvim :> Aug 21 13:17
schestowitz *GASP* My knees buckle when I hear “vim” Aug 21 13:17
schestowitz I can’t even remember the strokes for “save file” anymore. Aug 21 13:18
schestowitz (Been a long while since I lost X). Aug 21 13:18
MinceR :w filename Aug 21 13:18
MinceR or use the menu or the toolbar :> Aug 21 13:18
MinceR (or just :w if it has a name already) Aug 21 13:18
schestowitz Does it do tabbling with multiple open files? I think it does, but… Aug 21 13:19
MinceR yes it does Aug 21 13:22
blackrabbit is winff gpl, yes I think so you can compile it yourself Aug 21 13:23
blackrabbit is it in the repos? Aug 21 13:23
blackrabbit dont know about all but it should be soon if not yet Aug 21 13:23
Tallken OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Aug 21 13:23
blackrabbit the guy released a version for linux several months ago Aug 21 13:23
Tallken http://www.techzonept.com/showt… Aug 21 13:23
Tallken notice the brand of Ballmer’s laptop Aug 21 13:23
Tallken …………………… Aug 21 13:23
MinceR well, m$ owns part of crapple, don’t they? Aug 21 13:24
MinceR and they’re the same kind of bastards, it’s just that crapple isn’t that successful Aug 21 13:24
Tallken don’t know Aug 21 13:24
Tallken and to be honest Aug 21 13:24
Tallken Apple has Bootcamp Aug 21 13:24
Tallken even so Aug 21 13:24
Tallken it’s… well… Aug 21 13:24
*Tallken searching for approppriate word Aug 21 13:25
MinceR the bootcamp that was broken by an upgrade ;) Aug 21 13:25
Tallken I can’t find a word Aug 21 13:25
Tallken but this explains my point of view, more or less Aug 21 13:25
Tallken http://xkcd.com/463/ Aug 21 13:25
Tallken (“Voting Machines”) Aug 21 13:26
schestowitz I hope the quotes at the bottom of http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08… will at least open some eyes. Aug 21 13:27
blackrabbit http://cad-comic.com/comi… Aug 21 13:28
Tallken hum Aug 21 13:29
Tallken don’t get it Aug 21 13:29
Tallken I know AOL sucks Aug 21 13:30
Tallken but… ? Aug 21 13:30
MinceR i prefer http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.co… Aug 21 13:30
blackrabbit ha Aug 21 13:32
Tallken ROFL Aug 21 13:32
Tallken Everybody has a Mac now Aug 21 13:32
PetoKraus :D Aug 21 13:32
schestowitz A lot of people have a Linux partition. Aug 21 13:33
Tallken personally I liked Macs until I started chatting with Mac users Aug 21 13:33
Tallken nice people Aug 21 13:33
Tallken but fan boys Aug 21 13:33
Tallken now I know I’d become like them Aug 21 13:33
Tallken so Aug 21 13:33
schestowitz http://www.linuxinsider.com/rss… : Aug 21 13:33
MinceR thankfully i don’t have any crapple products Aug 21 13:33
Tallken cheap PC laptop :D Aug 21 13:33
schestowitz “”There’s a lot of Linux out there — much more than Microsoft generally signals publicly — and their customers are using it, so it’s important that Microsoft have a good interoperability story on that front. Linking up with a Linux vendor is a good way to do that,” added Paul DeGroot, a Directions On Microsoft analyst.” Aug 21 13:33
Tallken for me Aug 21 13:33
MinceR i don’t even know why macs exist — they’re designed for people so stupid they can’t benefit from having a computer in the first place Aug 21 13:34
Tallken <schestowitz> A lot of people have a Linux partition. :: well I have to agree with Linux Hater there Aug 21 13:36
Tallken http://linuxhaters.blogsp… Aug 21 13:36
Tallken « But the best part is that it confuses OSStards. It makes them cry. “Oh my god! it’s so~~ non-free! but it’s so~~ pretty. Oh I know! let me buy a Mac, and then run Linux on it. That’ll show them!” » Aug 21 13:36
MinceR yeah, let’s praise crapple for stealing code from the FLOSS community that its authors were naive enough to license under the BSD license Aug 21 13:37
Tallken MinceR: well they can do it Aug 21 13:37
MinceR part of what makes human “civilization” hell is that people think that being assholes to others makes them cool Aug 21 13:38
Tallken MinceR: what annoys me is the massive migration of Linux Users to Mac Aug 21 13:38
MinceR there is such a migration? Aug 21 13:38
Tallken yes Aug 21 13:38
MinceR but then again i wouldn’t expect a single word making sense from a blog called “linuxhaters” anyway Aug 21 13:39
Tallken MinceR: but don’t you agree with him there? Aug 21 13:39
Tallken in the line I quoted? Aug 21 13:39
MinceR i don’t Aug 21 13:39
Tallken Well schestowitz believes he can be part of some discredibility campaign Aug 21 13:40
MinceR i don’t think it happens to most “OSStards” Aug 21 13:40
Tallken and he has criticized BoycottNovell once Aug 21 13:40
schestowitz While writing my current post I notice this: Aug 21 13:40
schestowitz http://www.techworld.com/opsys… :Dell joins Microsoft Linux ‘protection’ deal Aug 21 13:40
Tallken He has made some fairly rational critics in the past Aug 21 13:40
schestowitz Notice the date. It happened a week or so before the attack on Linux… Aug 21 13:41
Tallken though now he is just posting Links and writing rants Aug 21 13:41
Tallken what attack on Linux? Aug 21 13:41
MinceR most people who use FLOSS have the brains to realize that if they wanted that crappy gaudy osx look, they have lots of ways to get it in x Aug 21 13:41
schestowitz Also… watch what Perens said about H-P sort of receiving an advanced warning about SCO’s attack. It came from a Microsoft document. Aug 21 13:41
schestowitz I think we may be on to something here because the Dell agreement above was always fuzzy. Aug 21 13:41
Tallken MinceR: they don’t the trouble to configure it Aug 21 13:42
Tallken anyway Aug 21 13:42
Tallken me lunch Aug 21 13:42
schestowitz MinceR: the migration is mythical and exaggerated by Mac fans like Asay. Aug 21 13:42
Tallken cya Aug 21 13:42
MinceR sadly knowing that wouldn’t have prevented me from buying this piece-of-shit dell laptop as i did it before that Aug 21 13:42
Tallken schestowitz, MinceR, have you seen photos of Firefox Launch Party? Aug 21 13:43
MinceR nope Aug 21 13:43
Tallken I could only see people with Macs Aug 21 13:43
MinceR schestowitz: i figured. Aug 21 13:43
Tallken I know it was ONE photo only Aug 21 13:43
schestowitz Tallken: haven’t seen a photo Aug 21 13:43
Tallken but only Macs Aug 21 13:43
Tallken I was trying to find it Aug 21 13:43
schestowitz Yes, that’s well known though. Aug 21 13:43
MinceR if they all use macs, how come windows is the platform they support best? Aug 21 13:44
schestowitz Don’t fall into the vortex of Mac and the myths. Aug 21 13:44
MinceR oh, i know… perhaps they all run vista on those macs! Aug 21 13:44
Tallken rofl Aug 21 13:45
Tallken don’t know Aug 21 13:45
Tallken anyway Aug 21 13:45
Tallken me gone Aug 21 13:45
Tallken lunch Aug 21 13:45
schestowitz A Mac is a PC. It’s a computer. Mac OS X is BSD… with some layer that’s all proprietary. So these Mac vs PC discussions are overly simplified, IMHO. Aug 21 13:49
schestowitz BSD is very liberal and it’s no threat to GNU/Linux but a friend. The key lies in educating Mac users that programs like Firefox and Thunderbird exist and that they work on cheaper and better platforms too. Aug 21 13:50
MinceR a mac is a crappy pc with one of the lamest os-es preinstalled Aug 21 13:51
MinceR also, overpriced Aug 21 13:51
MinceR and yes, crapple ads have made their fans forget that macs are PCs and that what they refer to as “PC” is actually windows. Aug 21 13:51
MinceR BSD is not a threat to GNU/Linux, it’s a threat to itself Aug 21 13:52
MinceR and the BSD community is a threat to BSD too Aug 21 13:52
schestowitz *LOL* Well, it’s the OpenBSD people that are fearsome. They follow a rebellious man who got kicked from FreeBSD I’m told… it’s not a bad think though. Aug 21 13:54
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