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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 3rd, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:22 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://www.syzygeist.com/syzygeist… Oct 03 00:02
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tessier So, is MS bankrupt yet? Oct 03 04:01
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twitter Going into debt and Sweaty Beast is begging for a bail out.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213521 Oct 03 04:06
twitter Poor little M$ might not make market expectations. Oct 03 04:06
tessier MS it not going into debt Oct 03 05:40
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tessier I really dislike MS but you guys are often way off in your doomsaying. :( Oct 03 05:46
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MinceR j0 Oct 03 06:35
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schestowitz tessier: Microsoft has approved borrowing money as its balance sheet approaches zero, mainly due to buybacks. There are different ways of presenting this (and the reasons). Oct 03 07:24
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schestowitz :-S http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10054770-… Oct 03 08:12
schestowitz Old Mono poll (found by accident): How often do we need GNU/Linux releases? Oct 03 08:31
schestowitz Oops. It’s here: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com… Oct 03 08:31
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schestowitz http://allafrica.com/stories/200810020292.html Oct 03 10:07
schestowitz Perens versus patent law now: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2952 Oct 03 10:07
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tuxmania nice chat applet =) Oct 03 10:18
schestowitz Hi there. Oct 03 10:22
schestowitz Is Microsoft trying to take control of ODF?   http://www.heise-online.co.uk… Oct 03 10:30
schestowitz http://blog.eracc.com/2008/10/01/ad… “I again contacted Kelly Murphy of A&R Edelman, a PR firm handling Adobe’s media inquiries, and asked her assistance. Kelly was kind enough to get answers to your questions. Well, what passes for answers from big, corporate entities with policies in place as to what can be said and when it can be said.” Oct 03 10:35
schestowitz That’s the same Edelman that’s boycotted by some (IIRC) for AstroTurfing services… serving Microsoft. Shame on Adobe for feeding that sc*m. Oct 03 10:36
MinceR adobe is scum itself too Oct 03 11:02
schestowitz Well… http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am… Oct 03 11:11
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omegatest hi Oct 03 11:56
schestowitz Hi there, what’s up? Oct 03 11:58
omegatest I see you are totally against the mono project. From my prespective and what I’ve read about it, I agree that it can be a “patent trap”. But what about dotGnu? Can it be a trpa too? Oct 03 11:59
schestowitz I’m not a fan of it, but dotGn Oct 03 12:01
schestowitz I’m not a fan of it, but dotGnu is there to run .NET applications, not to actually build the GNOME desktop Oct 03 12:01
schestowitz It’s the question of backward engineering (like Wine) versus choice of a development platform. Oct 03 12:02
omegatest I see there are a lot of rummors pointing a future version of Gnome developed with that. But ist it a de Icaza’s dream or it will happen? Oct 03 12:03
schestowitz Some people in GNOME deny it, but the practical dependency increases. Novell makes ‘surrogate’ apps like banshee, which distro packagers might foolishly include by default. Oct 03 12:05
omegatest OK, thanks Oct 03 12:07
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zoobab http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new… Oct 03 12:18
zoobab means stricter rules for evalutating patents Oct 03 12:19
schestowitz BN is going titsup. It’s almost impossible to leave comments now (errors) due to gigabytes of downloads. Oct 03 12:21
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zoobab titsup? Oct 03 13:05
kentma broken Oct 03 13:07
schestowitz zoobab: maybe you can set up a torrent? Oct 03 13:11
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*brunomiguel greets everyone Oct 03 15:12
*brunomiguel sick with the stink in Portugal. It smells Ballmer in here (Portugal). :S Oct 03 15:13
MinceR sounds like another bribe visit Oct 03 15:21
brunomiguel well…. yeah Oct 03 15:22
brunomiguel the portuguese parliament is about to vote the approval of open standards and I fear that this visit will stop that and give a boost to the dh’ooxml crap Oct 03 15:23
schestowitz MinceR: not “bribe”… incentives. Oct 03 15:23
schestowitz You give, you get Oct 03 15:23
MinceR personal incentives Oct 03 15:24
MinceR you screw your country, you get an envelope full of money. Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz Earlier today in Groklaw: ”    *   Microsoft to open research centers in Europe Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz     * 12:02AM October 10/03/08, 2008 Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz     * Steven Ballmer, the Microsoft chief executive, said at a news conference here that the three “centers of excellence,” to be based near Paris, in London and in Munich, would employ several hundred people all together. Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz       He declined to say how much the company would invest. But Microsoft, which has fought pitched battles with European regulators over its Windows operating system, said it was making a major commitment to Europe at a time when many companies were nervous about spending on new projects. Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz       [PJ: Hmm. France, Germany and UK. I can't shake the nagging memory that these three helped out with their OOXML votes.] – Eric Pfanner, IHT “ Oct 03 15:24
brunomiguel that’s a distortion of the free software mantra – give and get Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz It was the same suspicion in other countries. Let me find it. Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz Here: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php… Have a look. Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz The Czech Republic, the UK, Germany, Denmark, Finland and Norway all voted to approve OOXML.” Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz “This was a change for each of them. In September, the Czech Republic, the UK, Denmark, and Norway had voted to disapprove, so this was a change in Microsoft’s favor. Finland abstained in September, and it voted to approve in March as well.” Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz “They all changed to approve, in other words, and now they are on the opening list of beneficiaries of Microsoft’s beneficence, for which it is so well-known.” Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz “So. What do you think of my theory? There’s an article in Shoot’s May edition, page 14, about the new branding campaign, and it calls it a “global” campaign, with “viral videos playing in four countries” already, the UK, Germany, France and Australia, showing young people who have benefited from the “Microsoft Learning Center”.” Oct 03 15:26
schestowitz “So who isn’t on the list of recipients? I see no young people from India, which voted against OOXML and criticized the process but where young people could probably use some help. Where’s New Zealand, which voted no? South Africa, which not only voted no but filed an official appeal of the OOXML approval? They don’t need help for young people there? The other countries that voted No, like China, Venezuela, Canada, Ecuador? Don’t g Oct 03 15:26
schestowitz et me wrong. I’m not hoping Microsoft spreads its technology to young people anywhere. I’m just saying.” Oct 03 15:26
brunomiguel it’s like on of those clinics for junkies get their fix Oct 03 15:26
brunomiguel with nurses, doctors and clean needles Oct 03 15:27
brunomiguel but this ones have butchers Oct 03 15:27
schestowitz Bear in mind that Microsoft spoke to presidents to push the OOXML agenda (e.g. the French president… Mexico for a known fact) Oct 03 15:27
schestowitz Gates and Ballmer phones diplomats, so I suspect there was an exchange of some favour. “Do me one… I’ll do one for you later” Oct 03 15:28
brunomiguel probably, when some terms end, they will work for microsoft… Oct 03 15:29
brunomiguel or something like that Oct 03 15:29
brunomiguel it wouldn’t be the first time a politician would help a company and ended up working for that company a few years later Oct 03 15:30
twitter M$ Learning Centers.   That’s got to feel like getting a new KGB office in town. Oct 03 15:30
twitter Hundreds of people employed to spy on your neighbors!  Nice. Oct 03 15:30
twitter Spread the ruin. Oct 03 15:30
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schestowitz Campaign contributions are good means for bribes. Pet charities are another. Oct 03 15:31
brunomiguel that’s the essence of dictatorware Oct 03 15:31
brunomiguel look @ skype and the chinese regime Oct 03 15:31
schestowitz brunomiguel: yes, there are reports about it now. Oct 03 15:32
twitter They always take more than they give. Oct 03 15:32
schestowitz http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index… http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/10/02/skyp… Oct 03 15:32
twitter Is BN under DoS attack? Oct 03 15:32
schestowitz Use excuses like “terrorism” for everything. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives… Oct 03 15:32
schestowitz twitter: no, why? Oct 03 15:33
trmanco twitter, I don’t think so Oct 03 15:33
twitter You mentioned GB of download activity. Oct 03 15:33
schestowitz Yes, but the site is just slow and it spews up some errors. It’s still up. Oct 03 15:33
twitter I just hope it’s all legitimate and not crap from a bot net Oct 03 15:33
twitter Cool Oct 03 15:33
schestowitz twitter: yes, it’s the OOXML thing. Oct 03 15:33
twitter I had not noticed a performance problem. Oct 03 15:34
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… Oct 03 15:34
twitter The OOXML reporting was very good, thanks. Oct 03 15:34
twitter You might spare yourself some bandwith by labeling the OOXML pdf as the 5000 page monster it is. Oct 03 15:39
schestowitz I think it’s a one-day thing, so it’s tolerable for now. Oct 03 15:40
MinceR bittorrent could help Oct 03 15:41
ld50 schestowitz, ballmer had a meeting today with the portugues prime minister: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/i… Oct 03 15:43
ld50 schestowitz, to put MS software on 50$ notebooks Oct 03 15:44
schestowitz Of course… Oct 03 15:44
brunomiguel ld50: correction: to put *more* MS software Oct 03 15:44
ld50 schestowitz, its curious to see novell in the background of this picture: http://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balm…, this news doesnt have nothing to do with novell :P Oct 03 15:45
schestowitz But, but…. :-) I though Ballmer just came there for routine ‘business trip’ purposes. Oct 03 15:45
schestowitz Are you now telling me that state-funded computing are being subjected to manipulation by the man who wants to “f* kill Google and f* bury that pu* [Google's CEO]“? Oct 03 15:46
ld50 brunomiguel, socrates is such an asshole, he nearly worshiped ballmer Oct 03 15:46
brunomiguel ld50: i wouldn’t say that Oct 03 15:47
schestowitz I can’t see a picture of Novell. Oct 03 15:47
brunomiguel but i seems to like microsoft a lot… Oct 03 15:47
schestowitz They love money. Oct 03 15:47
schestowitz The companies are ‘details’. They just small the $$. Oct 03 15:47
brunomiguel even i like money Oct 03 15:47
schestowitz *smell Oct 03 15:47
ld50 schestowitz, behind ballmer, where it says Microsoft Novell Oct 03 15:48
schestowitz In Ballmer’s case, it might not be just money that they smell, but there ya go… Oct 03 15:48
brunomiguel but i have standards, principles Oct 03 15:48
schestowitz ld50: I see no pictures in that page. Oct 03 15:48
schestowitz Oh. Oct 03 15:48
schestowitz It says page not found. Oct 03 15:49
schestowitz http://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balmer-jo… Oct 03 15:49
schestowitz It was the dot at the end. Oct 03 15:49
twitter Why did you link to this article?  http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/serendipity/archives/… Oct 03 15:49
ld50 schestowitz, that article was one week before he came to Portugal, so the image might be out of context Oct 03 15:50
twitter It reads like a troll. Oct 03 15:50
twitter A comment on the page says, “Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn’t had an act1″ Oct 03 15:51
schestowitz “Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn’t had an actual artist work on it. This huge undertaking on KsCD was done by a small group of university students as part of their class studies; it needs a nice SVG to make it look good, but none of the artists have yet had time to do so.” Oct 03 15:51
trmanco meh Oct 03 15:51
trmanco it stinks outside Oct 03 15:51
twitter thanks Oct 03 15:51
schestowitz ld50: yes, it’s out of context. But Microsoft is a ‘Linux company’ now, or that’s how it wants to be perceived in the EU…. because of Neelie and those other ‘pests’… Oct 03 15:52
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trmanco schestowitz, that 1080.pdf need a mirror :P Oct 03 16:11
trmanco needs Oct 03 16:11
ld50 schestowitz, this one’s from today :P http://diario.iol.pt/artmedia…. Oct 03 16:12
schestowitz trmanco: is it slow? Oct 03 16:12
trmanco yes Oct 03 16:12
trmanco 20KB/s here Oct 03 16:12
schestowitz trmanco/ brunomiguel / ld50 : can you find English articles/translations showing what Ballmer is up to? Oct 03 16:13
trmanco We can try Oct 03 16:13
schestowitz To be documented for future reference. Oct 03 16:13
trmanco but I don’t really think we are going to have any success Oct 03 16:13
ld50 schestowitz, the first like is in english, the reuters one Oct 03 16:14
ld50 *link Oct 03 16:14
schestowitz Reuters is very Microsoft-amiable, but still… Oct 03 16:14
ld50 schestowitz, http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20… Oct 03 16:16
schestowitz What a… coincidence. Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz Is this also related to the Venezuela deployment? Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced significant Microsoft investment in the Magellan Initiative through the Microsoft Unlimited Potential program Oct 03 16:18
schestowitz That’s your tax money going into funding children’s addiction to Microsoft so that Microsoft will be paid by them when it grows up. Oct 03 16:18
schestowitz And I bet those in Portugal who understand this are up in arms. Oct 03 16:18
ld50 yes, its not only cheap software MS is offering, they will give a “microsoft digital literacy CV” to every portuguese Oct 03 16:21
schestowitz “microsoft digital literacy” = start menu, Word, Blue E, Live@edu, etc. Oct 03 16:22
brunomiguel http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/1_pergunta_a… Oct 03 16:30
trmanco http://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linu… -> time to shut up the trolls on usenet Oct 03 16:30
brunomiguel http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/b… Oct 03 16:30
brunomiguel there are in pt-PT, but you can translate them with google Oct 03 16:30
trmanco gee Oct 03 16:31
schestowitz Thanks. I’ll post about it in half an hour. Oct 03 16:31
trmanco that stupid “kiddy netbook” has linux too, but no one likes to mention it Oct 03 16:31
schestowitz That’s the illusion of choice. Oct 03 16:32
trmanco http://groups.google.com/group/pt.comp.s… Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguel more in pt-PT: Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguel http://tech4pc.net/portateis/magalhaes-e-e… Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguel http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/portat… Oct 03 16:32
schestowitz http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/intel/cl… Oct 03 16:32
trmanco already said something about it but no one replied Oct 03 16:32
schestowitz “The software “choice” is false” Oct 03 16:32
trmanco Oct 03 16:33
*trmanco is waiting for the new wine dev release :P Oct 03 16:34
schestowitz Thanks, brunomiguel. I’ll include them all. Oct 03 16:34
brunomiguel yet another one in pt-PT: http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/a… Oct 03 16:34
brunomiguel schestowitz: could you please sanitise the irc logs, so that the hosts don’t show up? Oct 03 16:36
trmanco “curiosamente, é também hoje que se a inicia a Semana do Open Office em Portugal, com uma apresentação da versão 3.0 no Forum Picoas, em Lisboa; mas a essa não se dá destaque – não é “Microsoft driven”.” Oct 03 16:36
brunomiguel the irc logs in BN Oct 03 16:36
trmanco like this Oct 03 16:36
trmanco I like that quote Oct 03 16:37
schestowitz Sure, will do! Oct 03 16:37
schestowitz brunomiguel: Sure, will do! Oct 03 16:37
schestowitz But it needs to be done manually, so hard to do on a daily basis. Oct 03 16:38
brunomiguel a script could help Oct 03 16:39
brunomiguel icecat 3.0.3 is in pt-PT :) http://www.fsdaily.com/EndUser/Icecat_3_0… Oct 03 16:39
schestowitz I use a Python one. Need to operate on the raw logs then. Oct 03 16:39
*trmanco is reading a 5570 page pdf file Oct 03 16:40
schestowitz You need to borrow Blue Gene for that? Oct 03 16:42
trmanco Creator: Microsoft® Office Word 2007 Oct 03 16:42
schestowitz OOXML, made by OOXML. Oct 03 16:42
trmanco grr Oct 03 16:42
trmanco need to make it smaller so I can upload it to google docs Oct 03 16:42
schestowitz Check the date. Might be affected by a fictional leap year… Oct 03 16:42
trmanco 12 September Oct 03 16:42
ld50 trmanco, heres how to make a pdf smaller: http://rafb.net/p/Rwvk1S86.html Oct 03 16:43
trmanco thanks Oct 03 16:44
trmanco evince is crashing on me Oct 03 16:44
trmanco ooxml crap :| Oct 03 16:44
schestowitz It needs a Vista-capable box.. maybe. Oct 03 16:45
trmanco grrr Oct 03 16:45
schestowitz Just so that I get this right, those laptops are partly funded by the Portuguese government, right? Oct 03 16:46
trmanco what Oct 03 16:46
trmanco those classmates? Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz Yes. Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz Is it true? Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz 50 Euros?? Oct 03 16:47
brunomiguel just for students, if i recall it right Oct 03 16:47
trmanco not quite sure Oct 03 16:47
trmanco but yes Oct 03 16:47
brunomiguel and elders Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz They also grant monopolies/franchise to companies that will make a bundle from their affiliation with Microsoft. Oct 03 16:47
brunomiguel the project is not a governamental project Oct 03 16:47
trmanco it cost 280 € if you normally buy it Oct 03 16:47
brunomiguel that needs to be said Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz That’s corruption of a fairly high order when the government blindly passes all that public money… later to be ‘compensated’ for that choice, I’d imagine. Oct 03 16:48
schestowitz So if a student buys it, who pys? Oct 03 16:48
schestowitz In Nigeria Intel was dumping and the government chipped in too. Oct 03 16:48
brunomiguel his parents and the governament Oct 03 16:48
schestowitz Just to kill OLPC Intel tolerated losses and had the government put taxpayers’ money in. Oct 03 16:48
schestowitz Ah! “and the government” Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguel the governament grabbed this chance to help kids get their first computer @ a low price. and to campain… Oct 03 16:49
schestowitz They don’t give gifts. Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguel no free meals Oct 03 16:49
schestowitz They give digi^H^HMicrosoft literacy. Oct 03 16:49
schestowitz That’s creating a dependence on vendors. It’s not education. Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguel yeah Oct 03 16:49
schestowitz …Not to mention what that vendor is… Oct 03 16:50
brunomiguel althought Magellanshas Caixa Mágica GNU/Linux, but it appears to be just to say they are pro-freesoftware Oct 03 16:50
schestowitz A monopoly abuser in many continents… people in jail for fraud… Oct 03 16:50
schestowitz brunomiguel: regarding  Magellans, that’s now that the press release is projecting. Oct 03 16:52
brunomiguel this is a good project transformed into a kinda-good-kinda-bad project Oct 03 16:53
brunomiguel only free software should be used by free governaments Oct 03 16:53
brunomiguel proprietary software is contrary to the democratic values Oct 03 16:54
brunomiguel so, no democracy should use or persue dictatorware Oct 03 16:54
brunomiguel not even a iDictatorPhone Oct 03 16:54
brunomiguel if Magellans only had free software, it would be an awsome project Oct 03 16:54
schestowitz The choice between having choice and having no choice. Oct 03 16:55
ld50 Magellans has dualboot, so you’re (or the governemnt is)  paying for windows, even if you dont use it Oct 03 16:55
brunomiguel and I’m including a free bios Oct 03 16:55
brunomiguel ld50: only windows is mentioned in the manual :S Oct 03 16:55
brunomiguel sickening… Oct 03 16:56
schestowitz http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008… Oct 03 16:56
ld50 brunomiguel, i read it here: http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/espec… Oct 03 16:57
schestowitz It’s an exercise in diplomacy: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/i… Oct 03 16:57
brunomiguel ld50: portatilmagalhaes.com is not an oficial magellans website Oct 03 16:58
brunomiguel but i’m not 100% sure Oct 03 16:58
brunomiguel anyone here knows how to change the host to something that doesn’t reveal my ip? i’m using irssi Oct 03 17:00
schestowitz You could use mib (Web-based) or use some Web proxy. Oct 03 17:01
brunomiguel i have to use a proxy to get something like this? newsense/friend/pd Oct 03 17:02
trmanco use a bouncer Oct 03 17:07
brunomiguel i need a free shell account Oct 03 17:07
brunomiguel and i couldn’t get one :\ Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel :’( Oct 03 17:08
trmanco I have one Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel no psybnc for me :| Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel free host? Oct 03 17:08
trmanco I could set you a psybnc if you want Oct 03 17:08
trmanco no its paid Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel no guita xD Oct 03 17:08
trmanco lol Oct 03 17:08
trmanco wait Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel estou teso Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel anyone for some KDE 4.x show? http://plasma.kde.org/media/plas… Oct 03 17:10
trmanco http://www.shellium.org/ Oct 03 17:10
ld50 hum, today is kde 4.1.2 day Oct 03 17:11
trmanco http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2… Oct 03 17:12
trmanco http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2… Oct 03 17:12
*schestowitz writes a post about it ATM Oct 03 17:13
trmanco gee Oct 03 17:33
trmanco I love my COLA killfile Oct 03 17:33
trmanco saves me a lot of time Oct 03 17:33
trmanco hey Oct 03 17:34
trmanco kde 4.1.2 is out Oct 03 17:34
trmanco http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-a… Oct 03 17:34
schestowitz Not a major release though. Oct 03 17:38
schestowitz Okay, a post is now done: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/… Oct 03 17:52
brunomiguel schestowitz: i really like that last paragraph :) confucious would be proud Oct 03 17:55
schestowitz Heh. Thanks. Oct 03 17:58
schestowitz Lack of direction confirmed: http://www.osnews.com/story/20349/Microsoft_Un… Oct 03 18:00
brunomiguel when a cloud became a swiss cheese… xD Oct 03 18:03
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… “Norway ISO members walk out over OOXML [...] In all, 13 of the committee’s 23 members have resigned, a majority of the membership.” Oct 03 18:11
schestowitz That leaves vacancies for more Microsoft puppets to take over. Oct 03 18:11
schestowitz Yahoo slashes staff numbers … http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… Oct 03 18:14
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schestowitz Since when does anyone /chase/ Remond in HPC??? This headline makes a bad statement… http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20… Oct 03 18:17
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schestowitz Barclays breaks further rather than fix the issues.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10… Oct 03 18:35
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trmanco Windows? Oct 03 18:57
schestowitz Yes. We think so. It was discussed the other day. Get a load of this: ZDNet published 7 article today. The majority of them are about Microsoft and good news. WTF? Oct 03 18:58
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schestowitz To them, Microsoft is at the centre of the computing universe and everything else is marginal. Oct 03 18:59
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schestowitz Are they paying him to ‘take over’ another company…? http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988… Oct 03 19:00
twitter M$ needs good news to offset going into debt, declining stock prices and yet another quarter where they are going to miss expectations. Oct 03 19:04
twitter missing is a big deal because of the way they have traditionally slopped money around to hide losses. Oct 03 19:04
schestowitz tessier: your friend gets a break… http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10056282-93.ht… Oct 03 19:04
twitter M$ news is further and further detached from reality. Oct 03 19:06
schestowitz “In the face of strong competition, Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” — http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo… Oct 03 19:07
schestowitz That’s how you know Microsoft is nervous: vapourware < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-100… > (not an actual product, just chatter) Oct 03 19:08
twitter All of their current products are failures. Oct 03 19:08
schestowitz Not all. Some are profitable. Oct 03 19:09
schestowitz Office is still very profitable although it’s given for free in most  countries. Oct 03 19:09
twitter No one likes the new office and it’s ribbon interface. Oct 03 19:10
schestowitz Windows they give away for very cheap (via OEMs, sometimes almost for free). They also have a servers division (Exchange and all) that makes some profits, IIRC. Oct 03 19:10
twitter OO.org is going to eat their lunch. Oct 03 19:10
schestowitz twitter: on that I’d agree with you based on anything I’ve read. Sales of Office have unsurprisngly declines, despite the discounts. SAAS is hurting them as much as OOo and other FOSS. Oct 03 19:11
twitter Their profits are not enough for them as should be obvious with them sinking into debt. Oct 03 19:11
schestowitz Just found today: http://advice.cio.com/thomas_wailgum/p_g_fl… (P&G Flirts with Google Apps and Scares the Bejesus Out of Microsoft) Oct 03 19:11
schestowitz Cattle effect is Microsoft’s issue here. If 10% if the businesses use SaaS for docs/spreadheets/E-mail/collab, there’s more confidence in Google Apps (or others), so people drift away, not linearly. Oct 03 19:12
twitter M$ is in a death spiral.  Their house of cards is based on hype.  When they run out of money to bluster, they are out of luck.  Their product line has been so bad that their bluster costs have risen beyond sustainable. Oct 03 19:13
twitter The cattle are busting down the gates. Oct 03 19:13
twitter Everyone now knows that M$==third rate Oct 03 19:14
schestowitz Google recently said that over a million businesses have adoped Google Apps, but Microsoft has better estimates. It just keeps the card closer to its chest. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15… “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux,” he said. “How  are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don’t like it. … We have some  work to do.” Oct 03 19:14
twitter The only thing keeping people on M$ is the perception of difficulty for people who leave.  Any large number of defectors is fatal for them. Oct 03 19:16
schestowitz http://forums.macrumors.com/archive… Oct 03 19:19
twitter Oh crap, Steve Ballmer got his bailout. Oct 03 19:20
twitter http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20… Oct 03 19:21
twitter Everybody gets one last bonus check before the next depression. Oct 03 19:21
twitter They get tax breaks too! Oct 03 19:22
schestowitz Johnson was set to receive a $5 million signing bonus when he arrived at Juniper earlier this month and a base salary of $800,000 a year. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988-7… Oct 03 19:22
twitter Executive over compesation Oct 03 19:22
twitter it’s vulgar Oct 03 19:22
schestowitz I also wrote about this ‘bonuses’ backlash yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… Oct 03 19:22
twitter saw that Oct 03 19:23
schestowitz Well, when they set the rules, tax is not a problem. Alertness from the public (or implosion) is all it takes to end this. The way things work, the bailout will take equal charges from the rich (who hardly feel the pinch) and the poor, who might have to find night jobs or something. Oct 03 19:27
twitter “the poor” already have night jobs, they need relief from the 27% interest house loans and refinances they suckered/forced into. Oct 03 19:28
twitter Americans already work more hours than any other country in the free world.  They are so fucked over. Oct 03 19:29
schestowitz Well, the UK is also affected. Oct 03 19:30
schestowitz http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp… Oct 03 19:50
trmanco “I have found out that the MochaSoft RDP client for the iPhone and iPod Oct 03 19:51
trmanco Touch, which is distributed commercially trough the apple App Store, is Oct 03 19:51
trmanco based on the GPL licensed rdesktop. “ Oct 03 19:51
trmanco gee Oct 03 19:51
schestowitz Yes, they resolved it. Oct 03 19:51
schestowitz Only after being reported to gpl-violations, AFAIK. Oct 03 19:51
schestowitz DDOS storm coming…? http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?bl… Oct 03 20:03
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twitter ha ha, bailout and all Novell is back at $5.00 and going down. http://finance.google.com/fin… Oct 03 20:16
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schestowitz The almighty analysts (shillnalysts) said Novell was a champion of all and running towards $7.5. Now they hide under a rock, as usual. They are just as dishonest as those fat cats, pumping their stocks, interests, and clients. Oct 03 20:19
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trmanco nice one -> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… Oct 03 20:54
trmanco http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplan… Oct 03 20:58
schestowitz He misses the point totally. Microsoft ignored GNU/Linux *BECAUSE* of Moonlight. It said so. Oct 03 21:00
schestowitz …When  asked why Siiverlight itself was not ported to GNU/Linux… Oct 03 21:01
trmanco http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200… Oct 03 21:05
schestowitz Yes, it’s everywhere. Oct 03 21:07
schestowitz I’ll put it on my posting pile/queue, so thanks! :-) Oct 03 21:07
schestowitz “ISO is facing a revolt from dissatisfied participants who feel that their technical input was ignored, and national standards bodies from various countries are suffering internal friction over alleged misconduct. The implosion of the Standards Norway technical committee reflects the ongoing turmoil created by the ambiguity surrounding ISO’s approval of OOXML. “ Oct 03 21:10
trmanco stupid OOXML standard :| Oct 03 21:11
trmanco it only came to cause problems Oct 03 21:11
zoobab http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_… Oct 03 21:12
trmanco http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/0… Oct 03 21:13
schestowitz trmanco: serves Microsoft well though. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Oct 03 21:14
trmanco :| Oct 03 21:15
schestowitz About the licences, even MSuel de Icaza complained about it. Oct 03 21:16
trmanco yes Oct 03 21:16
trmanco back in 2007 Oct 03 21:16
trmanco oh no Oct 03 21:16
trmanco my bad Oct 03 21:16
schestowitz But today he thanked them (or yesterday) Oct 03 21:17
schestowitz Still playing wife with an abusive husband, that chap.. Oct 03 21:17
trmanco lol Oct 03 21:18
trmanco well looks like we have a newly discovered TCP flaw… Oct 03 21:19
schestowitz I didn’t realise that Microsoft’s patent trolls have already invaded India… http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/25001325/Contr… Oct 03 21:20
schestowitz “The company has already entered into agreements to buy patents from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, and is close to signing an agreement with the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, India’s largest research and development organization, said a person familiar with the developments who did not want to be named.” Oct 03 21:20
schestowitz That’s disgusting and I bet they are willing to also break the law with software patents. What a bunch of bullies. Oct 03 21:20
trmanco Oct 03 21:23
schestowitz Boycott ISO is born. http://boycottiso.wikidot.com/ Oct 03 21:23
trmanco +500 patents for Microsoft Oct 03 21:23
trmanco zoobab is the admin Oct 03 21:24
schestowitz 20000+ Oct 03 21:25
schestowitz http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122… http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/2500132… http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Detail.as… Oct 03 21:26
schestowitz Myhrvold = legal/extortion department, adjunct to Microsoft Corporation. Oct 03 21:26
*schestowitz catching up with Digital Majority (so many good links, not enough to capture all though) Oct 03 21:27
schestowitz Haha. This is brilliant: http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draft Oct 03 21:33
trmanco lol Oct 03 21:38
trmanco can’t be any easier Oct 03 21:38
schestowitz Weird. Oct 03 21:39
schestowitz The Financial Times sent me an E-mail moments ago. Seems like they worry about reach. Oct 03 21:39
schestowitz They wanted me to help them form a partnership of something. I hate marketing people… Oct 03 21:42
zoobab http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draft/view/4/ Oct 03 21:47
zoobab .win 19 Oct 03 21:48
*schestowitz voted Oct 03 21:48
schestowitz Wishlist item for DM: some tag to distinguish analysis/event/lawsuit/press release (settlement, granting of patent, etc.) Oct 03 21:49
zoobab normally it should be in the upcomin blog module of wikidot Oct 03 21:50
zoobab because the forum module sucks a lot Oct 03 21:50
schestowitz Maybe [tag]? Oct 03 21:52
zoobab tags are for pages Oct 03 21:58
zoobab for for forums posts Oct 03 21:58
zoobab Michal made the mistake to start using this forum module, instead of using the concept of “everything is a wiki page” Oct 03 21:59
schestowitz Michal? Oct 03 22:00
tessier_ twitter: It will be a long time before MS runs out of money to bluster. Oct 03 22:00
tessier_ I’ve been watching for 15 years and they are richer than ever. Oct 03 22:00
tessier_ The stock buyback will reduce their cash pile but also reduce their liability to stockholders. Oct 03 22:01
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Wuju hi guys Oct 03 22:02
schestowitz Hi, Wuju, what’s up? Oct 03 22:03
Wuju care to clear up my mind Oct 03 22:03
Wuju i use novell products Oct 03 22:03
schestowitz Which ones? Oct 03 22:03
Wuju nazi linux Oct 03 22:03
Wuju made by those dirty germans Oct 03 22:03
schestowitz Are you a troll? Oct 03 22:05
Wuju i am a woozle but i did not come here to troll. Oct 03 22:05
Wuju i said something you did not answer me Oct 03 22:05
Wuju tell me more about what has novell wronged. Oct 03 22:06
Wuju tell me something google doesnt know. Oct 03 22:07
Wuju to be honest i do not see it much of a deal Oct 03 22:07
zoobab http://www.acsa2000.net/ibm_title.jpg Oct 03 22:11
zoobab linux made by those dirty germans Oct 03 22:11
schestowitz I remember you using this image. Oct 03 22:12
schestowitz IBM=ODF. It’s simpler to think of it that way. :-) Oct 03 22:12
schestowitz ODF vs. MS-OOXML = IBM vs. ISO Oct 03 22:13
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tessier_ I think it is pretty sleezy to drag IBM through the mud for what happened in WWII Oct 03 22:36
tessier_ The people who did that are all dead now, including the IBM employees involved. Oct 03 22:36
schestowitz It’s happening now with China. Yahoo, Microsoft and Google. Oct 03 22:37
zoobab “Controling or filtering content that goes through networks should be done”— Viviane Reding, European Commissioner Oct 03 22:41
zoobab http://www.silicon.fr/fr/news/2008/10/01… Oct 03 22:41
schestowitz Same as yesterday? Oct 03 22:44
schestowitz Soviet Internet, brought to you by Viviane Redingski. She’s also playing with DRM fire. Oct 03 22:45
schestowitz http://www.defectivebydesign… Oct 03 22:45
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pombat42 IBM is a very nasty company and they are certainly not to be trusted. The difference between them and Microsoft is that IBM learned years ago how to play the game and not get caught Oct 03 23:48
pombat42 Or get caught less frequently. Oct 03 23:49
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