10.15.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 14th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:18 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter	Silverblight 2.0, now with <i>better</i> DRM, ” y the thing that leapt out at me was the addition of Silverlight DRM, powered by Microsoft’s own PlayReady digital-rights-management software, which offers “robust content protection for connected Silverlight experiences”.”	Oct 14 00:14
twitter	ha ha ha.	Oct 14 00:14
twitter	http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,…	Oct 14 00:15
twitter	Wonder if Lunelight will be able to follow that.	Oct 14 00:15
twitter	They promise it will work on “Linux”	Oct 14 00:17
twitter	Thanks but no thanks.	Oct 14 00:18
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tessier	Windows 7? WTF?	Oct 14 04:30
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schestowitz	tessier: Windows 7 is ridiculed in the press. It’s similar to Vista, it might not be out until 2010 or 2011 and it’s just intended to ‘freeze the market’ — for now.	Oct 14 06:30
tessier	So it’s vaporware for now.	Oct 14 06:31
tessier	There really aren’t any big revolutions in software on the horizon.	Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz	When I saw this headline I knew who wrote it: Gavin Clarke, ‘friend’ of Microsoft, Ramji	Oct 14 06:32
tessier	MS is going to have to rely more and more on marketing to push the product.	Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz	Microsoft’s second Silverlight courts open-source coders – http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/20…	Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz	He tries to associate this Web Cancer with ‘open source;	Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz	Another person who does this is Paul Krill. How can they be so naive?	Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz	Ah oh!!!	Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz	Everyone step aside.	Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz	Quiet down.	Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz	The world’s biggest thief has some pre-dic-shen to make:	Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz	Gates predicts ‘significant’ US recession – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/13/…	Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz	No shirt [sic], Sherlock	Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz	In other news, Bush predicted a decline in mood among the US population.	Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz	LOL http://wikileaks.org/wiki/VP_contender_Sar…	Oct 14 06:36
tessier	Bill said it and he has lots of money so he must be smart and it must be right.	Oct 14 06:39
schestowitz	Yes, did you see me saying this the other day, per chance?	Oct 14 06:40
schestowitz	I don’t understand why the press quotes him so much on this issue. He’s a lawyer. There are Nobel Laurettes in economics that are more worth talking to, but oh well… they don’t have as much money, so they must not be as smart. The song “if I were a rich man” (and a particular line) comes to mind.	Oct 14 06:41
tessier	They didn’t find any pics of Palin nekked so it was all a big waste of time.	Oct 14 06:41
tessier	billg is a lawyer?	Oct 14 06:42
tessier	Krugman seems to be doing well for himself lately.	Oct 14 06:42
schestowitz	http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/…	Oct 14 06:43
schestowitz	“And it won’t make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong. When you’re rich, they think you really know!”	Oct 14 06:44
schestowitz	tessier: http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/gossi…	Oct 14 06:45
schestowitz	And that’s the SFW ones.	Oct 14 06:45
tessier	All photoshops. And I’m not at work at 11:51pm.	Oct 14 06:46
tessier	I’d totally post-hole her but I’m not gonna vote for her. She could totally buy my vote with some VPILFy sex though.	Oct 14 06:48
schestowitz	Wierd headline for Lessig to choose: In Defense of Piracy < http://online.wsj.com/artic… >	Oct 14 06:49
schestowitz	My cousin in FL is more obsessed with her. Sent me a fake nude pic of her although I didn’t ask for anything. It’s rude when people send this stuff and assume you won’t check this from work or something.	Oct 14 06:50
schestowitz	Lessig: “How is it that sensible people, people no doubt educated at some of the best universities and law schools in the country, would come to think it a sane use of corporate resources to threaten the mother of a dancing 13-month-old? What is it that allows these lawyers and executives to take a case like this seriously, to believe there’s some important social or corporate reason to deploy the federal scheme of regulation calle	Oct 14 06:51
schestowitz	d copyright to stop the spread of these images and music? “Let’s Go Crazy” indeed!”	Oct 14 06:51
schestowitz	I see the “anti-Microsoft” label used again. Not “against crime” but “anti-Microsoft”	Oct 14 06:52
schestowitz	“The genial but nakedly ambitious Dutchman, who spent nine years at Microsoft, claims to have largely won the crowd of anti-Microsoft protesters over, as well as staff who initially shared their suspicions. The online comments about the BBC’s ambitions may suggest otherwise but many admit that Huggers, much more geek than luvvie, has made progress.”	Oct 14 06:52
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oc…	Oct 14 06:52
MinceR	j0	Oct 14 07:10
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts… “Anyone that develops for silverlight is a traitor to software freedom. “	Oct 14 07:32
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schestowitz	LOL	Oct 14 07:54
schestowitz	http://www.openoffice.org/news/index.html “Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at lemonlime.sfo.collab.net Port 80″	Oct 14 07:54
schestowitz	It’s not the error which is funny. It’s Sun using GNU/Linux again.	Oct 14 07:54
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schestowitz	http://www.novell.com/company/blogs/global/?p=17 “No other software company our size is as about interoperability as we are.” Hey, how about standards, Novell? S-T-A-N-D-A-R-Ds	Oct 14 08:27
schestowitz	” It’s not about replacing Windows with Linux, it’s about making it dead simple for the two to work together.”	Oct 14 08:28
schestowitz	Hey, why compete with Microsoft? They are Novell partners now. The bad guys are UNIX, Red Hat, Ubuntu…	Oct 14 08:28
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schestowitz	bbl]	Oct 14 14:11
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twitter	Is there some kind of internet shit storm today?	Oct 14 14:26
twitter	I’m having a hard time resolving things and then get timeouts.	Oct 14 14:28
twitter	Even email does not get out. My stupid ISP blocks outbound email except for their smtp server and it is not working. Google provides a handy way to get around that but they are not responding either.	Oct 14 14:30
twitter	I see no responses and don’t know if that’s because they don’t get here or because no one is listening.	Oct 14 14:31
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brunomiguel	hello	Oct 14 14:38
twitter		Oct 14 14:39
twitter	So what’s going on out there?	Oct 14 14:39
brunomiguel	it’s sunny, a light breeze. a really cool day	Oct 14 14:40
twitter	It’s muggy and will be hot here. I’m not going to be outside much.	Oct 14 14:41
twitter	Google comes through, so I can see the stock market diving again.	Oct 14 14:41
twitter	M$ is leading the way, of course.	Oct 14 14:42
twitter	down 5.5%	Oct 14 14:42
twitter	Their gains yesterday are the perfect picture of irrational exuberance. They were already limping. Does anyone think they are going to do better with all of their big dumb customers failed and failing?	Oct 14 14:45
twitter	“Bailout” money is not going to be spent on IT.	Oct 14 14:46
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_Doug	MS publishes ethical guidlines ..	Oct 14 15:12
_Doug	http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?…	Oct 14 15:12
_Doug	Dragons’ Den .. a series solely devoted to the massaging of the massive egos of the panelists ?	Oct 14 15:20
_Doug	They seems to be more interested in humiliating the contestants than promoting ‘business’ ..	Oct 14 15:21
_Doug	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons‘_Den	Oct 14 15:23
_Doug	Same with the Donald and ‘Sir’ Alan .. massive egos .. witht little evidence to shopw for it ..	Oct 14 15:23
_Doug	Basically all the skill the ‘clients have to show is the ability to absorbe massive humiliation and perform BOGU ..	Oct 14 15:25
_Doug	I guess this demonstrates why the second division suits are all so nasty ..	Oct 14 15:26
_Doug	Would this have made it past the Dragons ?	Oct 14 15:28
_Doug	http://www.amstrad.com/products/emailers/index.html	Oct 14 15:28
_Doug	It might be a good idea, with cheap broadband ..	Oct 14 15:28
_Doug	sweaty, novell SCO McBride …	Oct 14 15:36
_Doug	Welcome to the Roy Schestowitz fanclub …	Oct 14 15:39
_Doug	“It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning”	Oct 14 15:42
_Doug	http://www.moreinterop.com/download.aspx?fi…	Oct 14 15:42
_Doug	“It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning announcement to what Microsoft and Novell did in November. Unfortunately, other than some work completed on expanding Web services interoperability, most of the technology work under the Microsoft-Sun deal was abstracted far away from products that customers see, and in the end, produced far less measurable value than cus	Oct 14 15:44
_Doug	“it appears that customers can and will benefit from this relationship, making it a win for everyone except for Novell’s competitors.”	Oct 14 15:49
_Doug	Doug says: and Microsoft isn’t a Novell competitor ???	Oct 14 15:49
_Doug	“Open source is weak Window?”	Oct 14 15:53
_Doug	http://www.ciol.com/News/News-Reports/Open-sourc…	Oct 14 15:53
_Doug	gtg .. keep an eye on Roy … :]	Oct 14 15:55
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twitter	I might read that when I can. Is anyone else here?	Oct 14 16:01
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schestowitz	MSFT: -0.71-2.78%	Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz	NOVL up slightly	Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz	(i’ve just come back BTW)	Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz	The Microsoft technical guidelines in Slashdot in not news and it’s the reason /. I no longer read. Just another MS ad in there.	Oct 14 16:30
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schestowitz	Now the Apple ‘TCO’ idiocy begins: Microsoft exec: Mac users face hidden costs < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microso… >	Oct 14 17:05
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schestowitz	“…whereas Reykjavik stock exchange plummets 76% at the opening!” http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2…	Oct 14 17:34
schestowitz	Gods and oracles ‘predict’ that spendings will decrease: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/… (I knew that too, but I’m not a so-called ‘analyst’)	Oct 14 17:40
MinceR	technical guidelines?	Oct 14 17:41
MinceR	i thought they were “ethical”	Oct 14 17:42
schestowitz	MinceR: where? More debts ‘emerge’: “Traders in New York, where the firm is listed, liked the plan and sent its stock up 25 per cent yesterday. Virgin Media beancounters still require permission to restructure the £4.3bn of loans from some creditors, but the ten biggest are already on board.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/vm_debts/	Oct 14 17:42
schestowitz	You know, I was at the shop 2 hours ago. Bread was like $2.50 (cheapest bread). Went to another shop… same thing.	Oct 14 17:43
schestowitz	Might be a coincidence, might be inflation. The govt. here turns socialist, having tax money fund the banks to cover up for corrupt operatives. That’s just sad.	Oct 14 17:44
schestowitz	Well, well, well…	Oct 14 17:45
schestowitz	Look at this. Yesterday it said that it was Ubuntu, but since a former Microsoft executive joined the board last month… “Microsoft is also set to benefit from the deal, as the computers will run Windows Server and its latest Office suite.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ncom…	Oct 14 17:46
schestowitz	So the Microsoft executive can cause more damage /outside/ the company, talking on OLPC and turning Linux thin clients to Windows.	Oct 14 17:46
twitter	I read $170 billion. You don’t have to have inside information to know that bankrupt mega corps means less M$ IT money. Vista was a failure before, this will keep people away from Windows 7 too.	Oct 14 17:50
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twitter	That story from India is sad as is The Register these days.	Oct 14 17:56
twitter	They have gone from being a company that bites the hand that feeds IT to being a press release republisher.	Oct 14 17:56
schestowitz	Well, it’s not just IT	Oct 14 18:01
schestowitz	Bigger money is in energy	Oct 14 18:01
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PetoKraus	beranger owns fedora in 1st round	Oct 14 18:06
twitter	fedora is free software, everyone owns it.	Oct 14 18:08
PetoKraus		Oct 14 18:08
PetoKraus	brb, new xorg	Oct 14 18:08
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trmanco	brb	Oct 14 18:11
trmanco	first time in 2 month I’ve gotta reboot	Oct 14 18:11
trmanco	months*	Oct 14 18:11
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schestowitz	I had a rare issue myself an hour ago.	Oct 14 18:13
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trmanco	hmm	Oct 14 18:13
trmanco	that was fast	Oct 14 18:13
schestowitz	Kate f*ed up the session, so I had to killall Kate !!	Oct 14 18:13
schestowitz	Exceptionally rare that.	Oct 14 18:14
trmanco	what is kate in the kde world?	Oct 14 18:14
schestowitz	http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi… “The first paragraph raises a red flag with me: “a set of processes applied to all Microsoft products with signiﬁcant security or privacy risks.””	Oct 14 18:15
schestowitz	It’s an integrated and ‘tabbed’ text editor, part of KDevelop, embedding KWrite in a way although it seems very separate.	Oct 14 18:16
PetoKraus	gedit	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	UK fiber despite recession? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7667761.stm From the company that eavesdrop on customers without permission and pursues software patents in India.	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	I liked nedit.	Oct 14 18:18
PetoKraus	ned?	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	Rectangular selections are a feature I miss.	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	joe	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	and kate	Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz	“So this editor called kate stops into a bar and meets ned…”	Oct 14 18:19
schestowitz	*steps	Oct 14 18:19
PetoKraus	that’s glasgow.	Oct 14 18:23
schestowitz	Well yeah… Kate is cheating in Siixtab Joe	Oct 14 18:23
schestowitz	Just spotted this one: http://sspaeth.de/index.php?/archives/543… (mind the link to BN at the bottom)	Oct 14 18:24
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trmanco	http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-g…	Oct 14 18:33
schestowitz	Thanks. PetoKraus may have missed this one.	Oct 14 18:34
schestowitz	This: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&200…	Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus	schestowitz: i seen that	Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus	i am no expert on economy	Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus	i don’t think that the bailouts are in line with capitalism, though	Oct 14 18:36
schestowitz	I like his coverage of economics. Not one of these “everything will be great, just keep spending articles.” He’s realistic, also about s/w and patents/IP.	Oct 14 18:36
PetoKraus	he’s more than critical on linux. yet, his articles are funny – that’s why i like him	Oct 14 18:36
schestowitz	PetoKraus: of course they are not, but say so in public and be called a traitor or ‘communist’ or something (just for stating the obvious)	Oct 14 18:36
benJIman	Not very useful saving at the moment either, with inflation so much higher than interest rates.	Oct 14 18:36
PetoKraus	schestowitz: communist	Oct 14 18:37
PetoKraus	communists are the ones who are FOR the bailouts…	Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz	They show failure to REGULATE, not a failure of capitalism. it’s out of control capitalism, or extreme capitalism as RMS calls it.	Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz	benJIman: I agree.	Oct 14 18:37
PetoKraus	well, that’s what the right wing wants, isn’t it.	Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz	PetoKraus: the wealthy ones fund their campaign.	Oct 14 18:38
schestowitz	Leftists also.	Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus	i mean, what are the bailouts for? Alright, UK will have majority in RBOS, LLoyds and HBOS	Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus	but what’s the benefit? people being able to get more stupid mortgages?	Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus	people, who signed for something, they can’t pay for, being actually paid by the state instead?	Oct 14 18:39
schestowitz	That’s what I thought about earlier at the gym and talked about. They’ll say anything to ‘sell’ it.	Oct 14 18:39
PetoKraus	i just don’t see how putting money in a blackhole will help	Oct 14 18:39
schestowitz	In principle, they should rescue the money and throw these failing institutes to the dogs. /That’s free market and competition. The corrupt dies out.	Oct 14 18:40
schestowitz	But the mistake was to have this dependency of the economy on potentially failing banks in the first place.	Oct 14 18:41
PetoKraus	well, everyone knows that now	Oct 14 18:41
PetoKraus	i just wanna do why should we do what are we doing right now	Oct 14 18:41
schestowitz	Well, I guess that makes LLoyds the bank of ‘the people’	Oct 14 18:41
schestowitz	The Red Bank.	Oct 14 18:41
benJIman	RBOS has all my money.	Oct 14 18:42
PetoKraus	come on, do you wanna see a letter i sent to lloyds?	Oct 14 18:42
benJIman	Govt guarantees up to £50,000 personal savings though anyway.	Oct 14 18:42
schestowitz	benJIman: thanks, didn’t know how it was spilt.	Oct 14 18:42
PetoKraus		Oct 14 18:42
schestowitz	Govt guarantees = taxpayer guarantees	Oct 14 18:42
benJIman	Except for the money Novell pays me to idle in this channel, that goes elsewhere.	Oct 14 18:43
benJIman	Obviously.	Oct 14 18:43
benJIman	Though the government also borrows money from the banks /o\	Oct 14 18:43
PetoKraus	touche	Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz	Meeks mailed me a couple of times today.	Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz	Did you tell him something?	Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz	The debt in the UK is only GBP 60 billion I hear…	Oct 14 18:44
benJIman	schestowitz: He blogged about your post yesterday. It was discussed all over the intarwebs.	Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz	That’s about GBP 1000 per capita	Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz	US: $30,000 debt per capita.	Oct 14 18:44
benJIman	Does that include mortgage debt?	Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz	I don’t know, I’m afraid.	Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz	(without the comma)	Oct 14 18:45
schestowitz	Linux is the Klein Bottle of Economics : http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=li…	Oct 14 18:47
PetoKraus	http://www.npr.org/templates/story/st…	Oct 14 18:48
PetoKraus	nice interview	Oct 14 18:48
schestowitz	I think that RickJ here is MSJeliffe: http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/ope…	Oct 14 18:49
schestowitz	“Well, I think you have a Goldman Sachs chief of staff to the president and the Goldman Sachs secretary of the Treasury. And they convinced the president that the American people ought to send $700 billion to Wall Street, which I think is a very, very bad idea, and I would argue is a very un-Republican idea. I don’t understand what they think they’re doing.”	Oct 14 18:50
schestowitz	I haven’t read it fully, but it sounds like the corrupt caused a meltdown and are not corrupting the govt. to receive some more funds and let the milking of the ecnomy go on.	Oct 14 18:50
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schestowitz	They’ll want to have you convinced that buying stocks regardless of their value is a patriotic duty because that enables inside-traders to milk those who don’t know better… like they do with the lottery… it’s another form of ‘tax’. I wonder what RMS wrote about all of this. I subscribed to his feed only yesterday.	Oct 14 18:53
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PetoKraus	he’s got a feeD? where?	Oct 14 18:54
trmanco	hey cool	Oct 14 18:54
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trmanco	I ssh’ed mu router	Oct 14 18:54
jose	schestowitz, can you quote a little context for your recent comment about buying stocks to help insiders?	Oct 14 18:54
jose	just logged on	Oct 14 18:54
schestowitz	http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.ph…	Oct 14 18:54
schestowitz	Also http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&…	Oct 14 18:54
jose	http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008101402135OSLLDV	Oct 14 18:55
schestowitz	RMS feed (political mainly, but also FS): http://stallman.org/rss/rss.xml	Oct 14 18:55
jose	this piece criticizes the dual-licensing approach. it mentions mysql and oo.o in a negative light (ie, a potential sun attack)	Oct 14 18:55
trmanco	Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (jenny@FD5) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #1 Tue Jun 26 15:49:55 CST 2007	Oct 14 18:56
schestowitz	jose: related to this there’s this one < http://sspaeth.de/index.php?/archives/543-Open-So… > where BN is cited.	Oct 14 18:56
schestowitz	MontaVista at 2.4?	Oct 14 18:57
schestowitz	“A little related anecdote told to me by an MySQL employee (who’s name shall remain untold). He described how they still haven’t implemented a feature in MySQL that many people have requested, since they according to him don’t want to cram in more stuff in the existing branch but instead are releasing it in the next major release (due to release in 4-6 months or similar).”	Oct 14 18:58
jose	i have no problem if the maintainer of a project gets some advantages.. it’s a carrot. If i don’t like it.. fork	Oct 14 18:59
schestowitz	I spoke to Phipps and Mickos at the time and it sounds possible, but Sun are still afraid of the backlash. I never liked the MySQL acquisition. It’s an anti–Linux move and they want RoI (money from MySQL… big money).	Oct 14 18:59
jose	we can’t avoid that with current us copyright laws	Oct 14 18:59
schestowitz	MySQL is also a way to sell Solaris and other products.	Oct 14 19:00
jose	meanwhile, with BSD, there are less incentives to listen to the community and powerful companies can exploit the projects completely	Oct 14 19:00
schestowitz	Speaking of copyrights: Google to appeal German copyright decisions < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1006474… >	Oct 14 19:00
schestowitz	Green tech will save the economy?!?! Is he on drugs? “Arnold Schwarzenegger delivered a surprise speech at the Solar Power International conference here Monday night, saying that a sustained commitment to clean technologies can aid the country’s economic recovery.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10065300-…	Oct 14 19:02
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jose	the sspaeth.de link takes me to an index page.. where is the actual story?	Oct 14 19:07
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tessier_	Nuclear power is a clean technology which we need to make a lot more use of.	Oct 14 19:15
PetoKraus	it’s not exactly clean	Oct 14 19:15
PetoKraus	but if you do it well, it’s mostly harmless	Oct 14 19:16
schestowitz	jose: maybe it’s your IRC client? It works fine.	Oct 14 19:16
jose	ok, i copy/pasted but left out the “l” in “html” thanks	Oct 14 19:17
schestowitz	Nuclear energy is fine is you steer away from this guy: http://getsustainable.net/blogfile…	Oct 14 19:18
jose	nuclear energy has some problems. It’s fine until it isn’t. I think the byproducts might be pretty bad as well. Research is important though if we hope to improve things.	Oct 14 19:20
jose	maybe we’ll eventually be able to use the moon to recycle/reprocess garbage and toxics from here	Oct 14 19:21
jose	roy, I have always felt uneasy about the 451 group.	Oct 14 19:23
jose	Some of what they say is ok, but enough is marginal	Oct 14 19:23
jose	i’m not accusing anyone. I just don’t agree with what they say except maybe 75% (74.2% actually)	Oct 14 19:25
jose	or 84.2%. I always forget.	Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz	jose, why did you feel unease? I a =m genuinely curious.	Oct 14 19:25
jose	i’d have to look at a specific piece	Oct 14 19:25
jose	to point out	Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz	I can think of a few.	Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz	I went to see if this intersects.	Oct 14 19:26
schestowitz	Brian met them and then started linking to them like mad in Linux Today	Oct 14 19:26
jose	oh	Oct 14 19:26
schestowitz	When I criticise one of their ‘attacks’ (well, criticisms) of FOSS he defended them in the comments, which is rare for Brian Proffitt.	Oct 14 19:26
jose	their links have dropped off a bit recently i suppose	Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz	I trust Matt Asslett though. He was a FOSS journalist, but I doubt he uses Linux.	Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz	The problem with some of the FOSS blogs and journa-anallysts is that they don’t do as they preach or use what they analyse.	Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz	I had an argument with 451 Group over their Webcast, which was only available for Mac and WIndows users.	Oct 14 19:28
jose	in terms of coinciding with my views, I mostly would agree with the rankings you put up on bn.. at least as i glance over it and try to remember examples.. i don’t pay that much attention to the authors unless they repeat over and over.. not to mention there are quite a few matts	Oct 14 19:28
schestowitz	They E-mailed me the slides although I didn’t really ask for it, but it still left a bad taste in the mouth. I like SJVN because he does as he preaches, so when he cirticised Linux, I listen.	Oct 14 19:28
schestowitz	A contrary example would be Dana Blankenhorn, FOSS blogger for ages but not a user of FOSS (also a Windows users). But that’s ZeeDeeNet for you… Ziff/Gates site.	Oct 14 19:29
schestowitz	Matt Hartley, Matt Asslett, Matt Asay, Mett Mullenweg…	Oct 14 19:30
jose	i don’t expect everyone to share my views. you can usually learn something. it does get annoying though when there is a constant push in certain directions in a way that appears to be in disguise	Oct 14 19:30
schestowitz	Aslett (sorry)	Oct 14 19:30
schestowitz	I keep track of disclosures where I can.	Oct 14 19:31
schestowitz	jose, did you see the Redmonk incident?	Oct 14 19:31
jose	?	Oct 14 19:31
schestowitz	It was in all sorts of place some days ago, unexpected. Here’s the main thing: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/…	Oct 14 19:32
schestowitz	Later on in IRC I found out some more stuff about them hiring a guy who worked with Microsoft and got a free Vista laptop (some months after the “bribing bloggers”(TM) fiasco)	Oct 14 19:33
schestowitz	The open source feeds are filled with the poison called Silverlight	Oct 14 19:35
schestowitz	Microsoft did a publicity stunt abusing the term “open source”	Oct 14 19:35
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jose	just read over your blog entry on redmonk and it hardly said anything offensive towards them.	Oct 14 19:38
jose	however, maybe someone will accept the challenge of trying to look over their coverage over time.	Oct 14 19:38
jose	some analysts/authors/etc simply share views with and respect towards Microsoft	Oct 14 19:39
jose	they might eventually get paid as recognition or to set the example that microsoft values that	Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz	Well..	Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz	.	Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz	See Stephens blog (main page)	Oct 14 19:39
jose	?	Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz	“Expects more Microsoft” rhetorics… then there’s Cote mentioning this too… let me recheck where he worked because I think it’s BMC, but I can’t recall for sure.	Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz	“Before joining RedMonk, Coté worked at BMC developing the BMC Performance	Oct 14 19:41
schestowitz	Manager family of enterprise systems management products”	Oct 14 19:41
schestowitz	From http://www.redmonk.com/cote/about/ . So I remembered right. He comes from a proprietary software company, just like Mozilla’s CEO. But it’s the stuff he wrote that bother me. O’Grady is actually very good and knowledgeable when it comes to FOSS/GNU/Linux.	Oct 14 19:42
schestowitz	Novell to Acquire Managed Objects : http://www.novell.com/news/press…	Oct 14 19:43
schestowitz	Small company: http://www.managedobjects.com/company/ourteam.jsp	Oct 14 19:44
schestowitz	Haha.	Oct 14 19:50
schestowitz	“Aaron Fulkerson, founding CEO of the fast-growing open source enterprise wiki provider Mindtouch, says that the 451 report is right on the money.” So 451 Group now gets a nod from (former) Microsoft employees	Oct 14 19:50
schestowitz	From http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/rep…	Oct 14 19:51
schestowitz	451 is probably innocent. But here is group of known shills that do company-funded ‘studies’ and then offer ‘medals. More BS: Frost & Sullivan Recognises Aastra Technologies’ Exceptional Growth Strategy Leadership < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/frost–sulliva… >	Oct 14 19:55
schestowitz	Next comes the contract ($$) with Aastra (or maybe Aastra already /bought/ a ‘study’ from F&S)	Oct 14 19:56
schestowitz	Microsoft is muchly involved with F&S, especially in anti-FOSS ‘studies’; then, F&S crowns Microsoft “best of <put something here>”	Oct 14 19:57
schestowitz	Another summary about 451 Group study ($4000 to read): http://ostatic.com/173727-blog/…	Oct 14 20:00
schestowitz	Miguel already storms this post to defend himself: http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com…	Oct 14 20:10
schestowitz	The author totally misses the point about making Microsoft the ‘standard’ though.	Oct 14 20:11
trmanco	http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,…	Oct 14 20:16
schestowitz	Thanks, it’s already here: < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/13/links-1… >	Oct 14 20:20
trmanco	wow	Oct 14 20:21
trmanco	you’re fast	Oct 14 20:21
schestowitz	http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2008/10/14…	Oct 14 20:21
trmanco	and I thought I was giving something new to you	Oct 14 20:21
jose	miguel dI: But Microsoft in 2008 is a very different Microsoft than the Microsoft that freaked out over the “Linux will destroy Windows” press of the early 2000’s that sent management into panic mode.	Oct 14 20:23
jose	The new Microsoft not only has evolved, but the developers, managers and leaders are now integrating into the larger ecosystem instead of fighting it.	Oct 14 20:23
schestowitz	Also this < http://hehe2.net/advocacy/how-linux-… >	Oct 14 20:24
schestowitz	Good advocacy? http://www.quicktweaks.com/2008/10/12/sw…	Oct 14 20:28
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trmanco	http://www.webmastersbydesign.com/2008/10/08/w…	Oct 14 20:43
trmanco	lool	Oct 14 20:45
trmanco	http://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/r…	Oct 14 20:45
schestowitz	Ive just looked at Ballmer’s Wikipedia page	Oct 14 20:46
schestowitz	To repeat what I’ve just angrily wrote in USENET: “–	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	~~ Best of wishes	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	Roy S. Schestowitz \| Wintendo O/S: which virus do fancy today?	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	http://Schestowitz.com \| Open Prospects \| PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	Tasks: 168 total, 1 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 5 zombie	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	http://iuron.com – knowledge engine, not a search engine	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	End of signed message	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	“	Oct 14 20:47
trmanco	and	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	Oops.	Oct 14 20:47
trmanco	lol	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	“I’ve just gone to Wikipedia for a reference, but the Microsoft Munchkins (some	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	of them paid) have ‘brushed up’ his profile. Anyway, Ballmer did go to the	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	doctor for a surgery after ripping his vocal chord… as a result of screaming	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	like an ape.	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	Microsoft is still subverting Wikipedia, turning it to more of the	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	Wintel ‘press’. And I thought there were still some sites out there which	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	offers truthful coverage and not corporate fluff…”	Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz	The vocal chord incident is no longer in Wikipedia anyway. Bill Gates’ article aligns with all the ‘philanthropy’ fluff intended to conceal a liftime of corporate crime, including that arrest that they took off Wikipedia (the shill ‘editors’ like hAl)	Oct 14 20:49
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jose	just posted a reply to miguel’s post	Oct 14 20:56
schestowitz	Good	Oct 14 20:56
trmanco	what post?	Oct 14 20:57
ld50	http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/200…	Oct 14 20:57
trmanco	wow	Oct 14 21:00
trmanco	a bunch a M% vulns	Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz	Brilliant comment.	Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz	I was gonna post something about pseudo-open-source-something-likey Silverlight 2.0 later (maybe tomorrow)	Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz	It’s disturbing how much they deceive to make this Web POISON look like some cuddly and benign.. even the name… Silver… light	Oct 14 21:01
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32247/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32248/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32242/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32249/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32251/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32260/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32261/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32233/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32211/	Oct 14 21:02
trmanco	http://secunia.com/Advisories/32138/	Oct 14 21:02
schestowitz	There was a time when people didn’t know what the big deal was with OOXML. One day people will understand Silverlight, Moonlight. Mono. etc. and then apologise to those whom they vilified for criticism.	Oct 14 21:02
schestowitz	trmanco: it’s patch Tuesday. From memory, 4 are “Critical”, 11 in total.	Oct 14 21:03
trmanco	wow	Oct 14 21:03
trmanco	…	Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz	No, just normal.	Oct 14 21:03
trmanco	Firefox 3.1 released + reviewed	Oct 14 21:03
trmanco	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Mozilla…	Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz	Business as usual. They sometimes have more critical ones (=your PC can be hijacked remotely)	Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz	Yes, seen it.	Oct 14 21:04
trmanco	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/co…	Oct 14 21:08
trmanco	have you seen this?	Oct 14 21:08
trmanco	http://translate.google.com/translat…	Oct 14 21:08
schestowitz	Is there anything there to show he’s paid by Microsoft through some agency/	Oct 14 21:11
schestowitz	?	Oct 14 21:11
trmanco	no	Oct 14 21:11
trmanco	well wait	Oct 14 21:11
schestowitz	I have a nice accumulation of busted Microsoft shills	Oct 14 21:12
schestowitz	Having more example would help in case of a class action lawsuit against the Beast.	Oct 14 21:12
trmanco	I don’t see any proof	Oct 14 21:14
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schestowitz	MSFT down 5.5% now (so far today)	Oct 14 21:30
schestowitz	NOVL is down also (2%). The ‘recovery’ of the market was short-lived (1 day)	Oct 14 21:30
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ld50	http://br-linux.org/english/linux-voting-machines/	Oct 14 22:04
ld50	nice	Oct 14 22:04
schestowitz	500,000 of them?	Oct 14 22:07
schestowitz	450,000?	Oct 14 22:07
schestowitz	The numbers seem to vary. This one says 400,000 and I think the Debian site said 425,000	Oct 14 22:08
schestowitz	http://techforce.com.br/index.php/news/linux_… “430 thousand electronic voting machines”	Oct 14 22:11
zoobab	evoting leads to civil war	Oct 14 22:11
schestowitz	Windows makes zombie wars.	Oct 14 22:12
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