03.26.09
Gemini version available ♊︎IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 25th, 2009 – Part 2
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| PeterFA | http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/02/linu… <– What are people’s comments? | Mar 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | That was written by a Microsoft shill | Mar 25 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Ignore it | Mar 25 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Lyons, also boosted SCO’s lawsuits against Linux | Mar 25 20:06 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: See http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?qu… for details | Mar 25 20:07 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, didn’t SCO die? | Mar 25 20:07 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, are they fighting from the grave? | Mar 25 20:07 |
| PeterFA | What dark pact have they made? | Mar 25 20:07 |
| PeterFA | Forbs Magazine has Microsofties in it’s ranks? | Mar 25 20:09 |
| MinceR | …and the page is still “loading” | Mar 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: they fight from Utah. | Mar 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Same thing almost | Mar 25 20:09 |
| MinceR | what’s up with Utah? | Mar 25 20:10 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: Lyons is no longer there. | Mar 25 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Novell, WordPerfect… | Mar 25 20:10 |
| schestowitz | All down | Mar 25 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I hear from a friend in Colorado that many businesses shut down | Mar 25 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Also mid-west | Mar 25 20:11 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, who is Lyons? | Mar 25 20:11 |
| PeterFA | Food is the most stable investment ever. | Mar 25 20:12 |
| PeterFA | If food production stops, who cares if you lose your investment? | Mar 25 20:12 |
| PeterFA | You got bigger fish to fry. | Mar 25 20:12 |
| PeterFA | Anyways, after the Netbook era, looks like Linux is taking the pendrive market. | Mar 25 20:12 |
| PeterFA | I wonder what Microsoft will do to counter that. | Mar 25 20:13 |
| PeterFA | http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/… | Mar 25 20:13 |
| MinceR | even if it doesn’t load, forbes manages to slow down my browser | Mar 25 20:13 |
| MinceR | wow, disabling javascript makes the page appear instantly | Mar 25 20:14 |
| PeterFA | I closed it, personally. | Mar 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | these forbes guys should go till the fields | Mar 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | perhaps that isn’t too complicated for them | Mar 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | because honestly, they really suck at making web sites | Mar 25 20:14 |
| PeterFA | Well, I do see a good point on this blog: Linux goes on mainframes en masse, but shrivels up the more personal we get, with a limit. | Mar 25 20:15 |
| PeterFA | It then explodes in certain arenas. | Mar 25 20:15 |
| PeterFA | Microsoft Windows simply isn’t usable for a person like me. | Mar 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | also, that article is ancient | Mar 25 20:15 |
| PeterFA | MinceR, what article? | Mar 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | that forbes crap about m$ linux | Mar 25 20:15 |
| PeterFA | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/03… <– They’ve analyze the DRM on W7. | Mar 25 20:16 |
| PeterFA | That was funny then, because that article popped up when I looked at the search word history for “linux” | Mar 25 20:17 |
| PeterFA | Another April Fools Day virus. | Mar 25 20:23 |
| PeterFA | Now experts are trying to shut it down before it wrecks a bunch of computers. | Mar 25 20:24 |
| PeterFA | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/03/2… | Mar 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I always disablw js in forbes | Mar 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | looks nicer too | Mar 25 20:32 |
| MinceR | i’m starting to realize there’s no way i’ll find a browser i’ll like | Mar 25 20:32 |
| MinceR | opera doesn’t have noscript and crashes all the time; ff3 has that extremely annoying way to deal with invalid certificates and also crashes all the time | Mar 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | use safari on wine  |
Mar 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | you love apple | Mar 25 20:34 |
| *schestowitz eats | Mar 25 20:34 | |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : or Epiphany on Gnome | Mar 25 20:35 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : Konqueror if ur on KDE | Mar 25 20:35 |
| MinceR | epiphany is unlikely to have the features i use daily | Mar 25 20:36 |
| trmanco | http://www.linuxleak.com/ | Mar 25 20:36 |
| _Hicham_1 | Konqueror is very fast on KDE | Mar 25 20:36 |
| MinceR | konqueror would be nice if it didn’t download images again when it’s told to save them | Mar 25 20:36 |
| MinceR | a big no-no on 4chan :> | Mar 25 20:36 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : what are the features that u use the most? | Mar 25 20:36 |
| MinceR | it would be difficult to gather | Mar 25 20:37 |
| _Hicham_1 | i am glad when a new virus is spreading around | Mar 25 20:37 |
| _Hicham_1 | i tried to apply the same model of least privilegies on Windows, but it fails | Mar 25 20:37 |
| _Hicham_1 | nonetheless, it is essential | Mar 25 20:38 |
| trmanco | MinceR, Firefox does no crash all the time | Mar 25 20:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | I use a guest account when I am on Windows + Disabling AutoPlay | Mar 25 20:38 |
| trmanco | those crashes at least here are do to plugins like flash or java | Mar 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | i’ve started collecting links that make it crash | Mar 25 20:38 |
| trmanco | to do* | Mar 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | even then, they’re crashes | Mar 25 20:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : give me a link | Mar 25 20:38 |
| trmanco | gimme thos links | Mar 25 20:38 |
| trmanco | those* | Mar 25 20:39 |
| PeterFA | Wow, EXT4 sounds exciting. | Mar 25 20:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | Firefox just crashed today when I tried to use java gij plugin | Mar 25 20:39 |
| PeterFA | Yes, I get excited by new ways to store data. | Mar 25 20:39 |
| trmanco | EXT4 is still on my wishlist here | Mar 25 20:39 |
| trmanco | brtfs sound good | Mar 25 20:40 |
| MinceR | one didn’t crash it now | Mar 25 20:40 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, you’ve been studying software for a time now: why don’t you come up with a rating system for software that only discusses your topic? | Mar 25 20:40 |
| MinceR | the other was changed since i bookmarked it | Mar 25 20:40 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, for example, how do I tell if it’s ok to use Acme Project? | Mar 25 20:40 |
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| MinceR | so it did a lot of good to collect them -_- | Mar 25 20:41 |
| MinceR | some features i can think of: sidebar, gestures, tabbed browsing with close and move left, close and move right, quick search via keywords (though i’ve moved that into a javascript app already), blocking of iframes, embeds, objects and stuff like that until a click, go up in hierarchy, clear and focus location bar button, list all links on page (with the option to copy selected links to clipboard), the ability to turn the menubar into a button | Mar 25 20:43 |
| MinceR | oh, and session management | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I see BN is there too | Mar 25 20:44 |
| MinceR | popup blocking, recalling closed tabs | Mar 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | in | Mar 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxleak.com/ | Mar 25 20:44 |
| trmanco |  |
Mar 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: ranking s/w in BN? | Mar 25 20:45 |
| PeterFA | BN? | Mar 25 20:45 |
| PeterFA | Oh, boycottnovell. | Mar 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 25 20:45 |
| PeterFA | Not exactly, like write a formula for ranking software. | Mar 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | There are many sites that rank FOSS | Mar 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Based on what? | Mar 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | # of users? | Mar 25 20:46 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, based on the trustworthiness of software: like Open DRM or something. | Mar 25 20:46 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, does this have DRM? | Mar 25 20:46 |
| PeterFA | Does it lead to the domination of IT by Acme? | Mar 25 20:46 |
| PeterFA | Does this really support the freedom that software should provide? | Mar 25 20:47 |
| PeterFA | Like that. | Mar 25 20:47 |
| PeterFA | Or a rating for stories, I don’t know… but if you make something other people can apply, they can rate their own software. | Mar 25 20:47 |
| PeterFA | So if they’re in a store they can think about it. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get some rating on a box like Nutrition Information on boxes of food. | Mar 25 20:48 |
| MinceR | i also used the bookmark manager a lot (with search and all) but i’ve moved to SiteBar | Mar 25 20:48 |
| MinceR | i’m not entirely satisfied with SiteBar though | Mar 25 20:48 |
| PeterFA | And you can get a lot of attention to your blog, to help expose Microsoft and Friends (TM). | Mar 25 20:48 |
| MinceR | red hat still can’t decide whether they’re interested in the desktop or not >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article… | Mar 25 20:56 |
| MinceR | re browser features: i’m also using ad blocking but i’ll probably use privoxy for that | Mar 25 20:56 |
| MinceR | (same with referer blocking) | Mar 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Interesting take: UK Pupils to Learn How to Be Spied On < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/03… >. Since the govt’ can’t ask kids to write down names of friends and hand these over. | Mar 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: thanks, I might get to it | Mar 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I need to worry about a Wiki first | Mar 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Firefox has AWESOMEbar (how corny a name) | Mar 25 20:57 |
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| MinceR | i care little as long as quicksearch bookmarks work :> | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | To me, FF2->FF3 mainly meant speed gains | Mar 25 20:58 |
| MinceR | speed gains are what make me consider ff3 again | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | it’s pretty fast | Mar 25 20:58 |
| MinceR | and that perhaps there’s a remote chance ff3 will crash a little less often than opera | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It renders the page before it’s fully loaded | Mar 25 20:58 |
| MinceR | oh, and NoScript | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: FF3 is more flaky than FF2 for me | Mar 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Not flaky, just a little more so | Mar 25 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe once in 40 hours as opposed to 200 hours | Mar 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | then perhaps opening a dozen web pages won’t take up an amount of computing power that wasn’t even available 10 years ago or so | Mar 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | then again, the web just isn’t bloated enough yet for some >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p… | Mar 25 20:59 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, also, you can rate companies based on the honesty of their software and business strategies |
Mar 25 20:59 |
| balzac | FF3 is the ultimate browser for web developers | Mar 25 20:59 |
| balzac | it’s also good if you want fine granular control of what content is presented and how | Mar 25 21:00 |
| MinceR | who knows, maybe if i get a rack of servers and assign one tab to each, i can get a browser that isn’t slow as molasses and i get to run something else beside it | Mar 25 21:00 |
| balzac | adblock, grease-monkey, etc | Mar 25 21:00 |
| MinceR | yes, greasemonkey is great stuff too | Mar 25 21:00 |
| MinceR | back when i used ff as my main browser i put a lot of addons into it | Mar 25 21:01 |
| MinceR | i think that contributed to the slowness and instability | Mar 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | LMAO: AFP pulls quote about Youtube block from two-year-old blog post < http://shanghaiist.com/2009/03/25/afp_… > “Take that traditional media! In all fairness though, we’d like to point out that most bloggers know how to check a time stamp.” | Mar 25 21:01 |
| balzac | It’s not as optimized as chrome or other webkit-based browsers because it is filled with hooks for developers and so it can’t be quickly changed in such a way that all the extension devs are left with broken projects | Mar 25 21:01 |
| balzac | obviously, FF is going to need to separate tabs into separate threads | Mar 25 21:02 |
| balzac | processes, I mean | Mar 25 21:02 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | My Firefox themes broke that I sort of created broke with an upgrade | Mar 25 21:02 |
| MinceR | i wouldn’t mind being able to use chromium on linux | Mar 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I never bothers fixing compatibility although some users mailed me about it and offered help | Mar 25 21:03 |
| balzac | but leading the way against proprietary codecs with ogg theora is quite noble | Mar 25 21:03 |
| balzac | if you want a light, efficient browser, try Conkeror (I don’t mean Konqueror) | Mar 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Softw… | Mar 25 21:03 |
| balzac | emacs key-bindings, no extra interface | Mar 25 21:03 |
| balzac | gecko-based, compatible with mozrepl | Mar 25 21:04 |
| balzac | bad-@ss | Mar 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Bawd ass | Mar 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | EPA Makes Landmark Finding: Global Warming Threatens Public Health and Welfare < http://www.worldchanging.com/arch… > | Mar 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Cash cows die sometimes (photo): The Wall Street Crowd and the Transparency Revolution < http://www.worldchanging.com/ar… > | Mar 25 21:06 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : use plain w3m | Mar 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | i don’t like emacs keybindings | Mar 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_1: w3m does very little, including no javascript | Mar 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | if that was fine, i’d just use links2 -g all day | Mar 25 21:07 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : use Firefox with Wine | Mar 25 21:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Interesting stuff: When ‘Mad Men’ Meets Augmented Reality < http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/jamais-c… > | Mar 25 21:07 |
| MinceR | then i could enjoy the totally broken windowsoid font rendering | Mar 25 21:07 |
| MinceR | and my eyes would melt | Mar 25 21:07 |
| PeterFA | I don’t understand the whole SCO vs. Novell case. They both are basically Microsoft (R) Puppets (TM). | Mar 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | The server is overloaded again. It does almost 5GB/day | Mar 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | “Server Load 5.92 (4 cpus)” | Mar 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Not responsive | Mar 25 21:11 |
| PeterFA | So, the fact that SCO lost doesn’t matter. It never solved the amnesty problem. | Mar 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has more tricks up its sleeves | Mar 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | The load on the DB server is rising now | Mar 25 21:12 |
| MinceR | perhaps m$ is having one of their lackeys kill the other | Mar 25 21:12 |
| PeterFA | So, the lawsuit was against Novell for elligedly using SCO property, but the judges said that belongs to Novell, crushing SCO. So, if you use Linux, you still can be sued by Novell. | Mar 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Our days on this server are numbered. I might as well assume we’ll need to move to something bigger, even with excessive caching enabled. it’s not worth the nightmare. | Mar 25 21:13 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, what server do you talk about? | Mar 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: BN | Mar 25 21:13 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, oh. | Mar 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Been having many problems this year | Mar 25 21:13 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, I’ll set up the website for you if you like. | Mar 25 21:13 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, on your new server. | Mar 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Esp. in January when we covered Comes smoking guns | Mar 25 21:14 |
| PeterFA | Don’t know about migration though, I’ll have to look into it. | Mar 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: that’s OK, thanks. | Mar 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe mirroring would help | Mar 25 21:14 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, not a bad idea. | Mar 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Like…. replicating the DB and having a secondary domain or something | Mar 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe on one of my machines | Mar 25 21:15 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, what you could do is load balancing. | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | cheapo domain like BNmirror.org | Mar 25 21:15 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, how much is your hosting? | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | If it crashes too, it won’t matter much | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: Shane pays the bills. | Mar 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | AdSense covers it…. not sure how much it costs him now cause he upgrades to 500GB/month limit | Mar 25 21:16 |
| PeterFA | You could get an account on object6.com. I know that guy who owns it. | Mar 25 21:16 |
| PeterFA | I’ll get an affilation pay too |
Mar 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: I have my familiar host too | Mar 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Shane said he can pass me the domain name | Mar 25 21:16 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, you need like a server on every continent. | Mar 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | He still holds boycottredhat.com BTW. Don’t ask me why.. | Mar 25 21:17 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, so you get an account in NA, AU, EU, AF, and AS. | Mar 25 21:17 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, so nobody uses it for evil purposes. | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: no, we’re not that big | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | LifeHacker maybe. | Mar 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Someone in Norway can get novell.no | Mar 25 21:18 |
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| PeterFA | schestowitz, you should have affilate programs with companies you like so that you can say, “Instead of this product, use that.” and then you put a link to the site and you get an affiliate cut. | Mar 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://yes.no/ > “Oops! This link appears broken.” | Mar 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: that would put vested interests | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | No reliability | Mar 25 21:19 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, you’d get a ton of money though |
Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | “Unafraid” China apparently fears YouTube < http://www.reuters.com/article/t… > | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: doubtful, and it comes at the cost of credibility | Mar 25 21:20 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, have a twitter? | Mar 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/schestowitz | Mar 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I could probably create a twitter account too | Mar 25 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: do you use twitter to post all the same stuff? | Mar 25 21:21 |
| trmanco | sometimes | Mar 25 21:21 |
| trmanco | identi.ca is my first priority | Mar 25 21:21 |
| PeterFA | I don’t have an identi.ca. | Mar 25 21:23 |
| schestowitz | The Independent covers GNU/Linux, which is rare < http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gad… > | Mar 25 21:23 |
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| PeterFA | schestowitz, do you have any criticism against Linux? | Mar 25 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Who writes this utter nonsense? “Inevitably, Google (GooOS) is rumoured to be entering the platform war too, fuelling speculation that Microsoft’s operating system maker days might be numbered.” | Mar 25 21:25 |
| schestowitz | GooOS? WHAAA? | Mar 25 21:25 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: yes, GPLv2 for starters | Mar 25 21:25 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, any others? | Mar 25 21:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: do you post the same stuff in twitter? | Mar 25 21:26 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: none I can think of at the moment | Mar 25 21:26 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, and what’s your beef with GPLv2? | Mar 25 21:26 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: so should I open an account there too for friends who only read twitter? | Mar 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: Linux should upgrade | Mar 25 21:31 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, sure | Mar 25 21:32 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, yeah. | Mar 25 21:41 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, enouf, who hangs out in #debian doesn’t like how Linux got Tivoed. | Mar 25 21:42 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, I assume that means they didn’t fight for their GPL rights and compromised. | Mar 25 21:42 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, because of the Tivo abuse. | Mar 25 21:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | what do u think of Python vs Java folks? | Mar 25 21:46 |
| wtfyan | i prefer python | Mar 25 21:46 |
| wtfyan | i think that python can eat java easilly, especially icedtea. they don’t actually eat that sh** normally | Mar 25 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: https://twitter.com/schestowitz | Mar 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Is there a program that connects to both? | Mar 25 21:54 |
| trmanco | ha cool | Mar 25 21:54 |
| trmanco | what for kde? | Mar 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Anything | Mar 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Even Web-based | Mar 25 21:54 |
| trmanco | webased yes | Mar 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | How do I do vertical split in Konqueror? | Mar 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I can’t remember | Mar 25 21:56 |
| trmanco | https://ping.fm/ | Mar 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | OK, I got it | Mar 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I have 3-pane Konqueror | Mar 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | CLI at bottom, identica on the left and twitter on the right | Mar 25 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Surrendering. I’ll keep both in synch, I guess | Mar 25 21:59 |
| trmanco | ping.fm works | Mar 25 22:01 |
| balzac | everyone is making atwitter about twat-jokes about twitter lately | Mar 25 22:01 |
| balzac | I can’t even see twitter, twit (This Week in Tech with Leo something) without thinking of twat | Mar 25 22:02 |
| balzac | -making | Mar 25 22:03 |
| balzac | have you twatted lately? | Mar 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Just signed up to ping.fm. Testing. | Mar 25 22:08 |
| balzac | Then there’s cursebird, syndicating the curses used on twitter | Mar 25 22:09 |
| trmanco | I just tested it | Mar 25 22:09 |
| balzac | twat should be more popular than the “F” word, if twitterers catch the wave of twatting, past-tense usage | Mar 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks. It’s working | Mar 25 22:12 |
| trmanco | you’re welcome | Mar 25 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | I’ve pretty much stopped with sites like Digg. | Mar 25 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Too cumbersome and no chance to add much personal opinion, either. | Mar 25 22:13 |
| silentivm | I’ve never cared for Digg. I used it once or twice then gave up. | Mar 25 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Digg is edging downwards. | Mar 25 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about reddit. | Mar 25 22:13 |
| balzac | Digg is getting abused too much by “power-users” | Mar 25 22:14 |
| silentivm | I never used reddit, I believe. | Mar 25 22:14 |
| balzac | I saw an article about “power users” by a “power user”, but he didn’t admit to using things like curl and proxies, so I don’t believe his insider report is accurate | Mar 25 22:15 |
| balzac | he made it sound like a mere conspiracy of users who are very dedicated, not people abusing the system by direct programmatical interface | Mar 25 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.c… (First ever Linux botnet?). On the so-called malware… or use of bad passwords on Linux. | Mar 25 22:17 |
| balzac | Digg needs to show usernames for every up or down vote, then it will have more life | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I was of these users | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Ranked 17th in the site at my peak | Mar 25 22:17 |
| balzac | vendettas and cliques can become very interesting | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | But the problem is PR people | Mar 25 22:17 |
| MinceR | digg doesn’t need more or less life | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Not power users | Mar 25 22:17 |
| balzac | Roy, that’s pretty good | Mar 25 22:17 |
| MinceR | it’s a sponge that hopefully sucks up crApple cultists | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Many users rely on real followers | Mar 25 22:17 |
| MinceR | and keeps them occupied | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Others just game it | Mar 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: +1 | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you drive away balrog | Mar 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | *drove | Mar 25 22:18 |
| balzac | where is balrag lately? | Mar 25 22:19 |
| balzac | balrog | Mar 25 22:19 |
| balzac | is he an apple user? | Mar 25 22:19 |
| balzac | Roy, BN should give more features yet, so that you can have cliques and vendettas on your site. for that, you really need user-accounts | Mar 25 22:20 |
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| MinceR | iirc he is an apple fanboy | Mar 25 22:20 |
| MinceR | i don’t care enough to check | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | balzac: could make ranking for registered user only | Mar 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | *users | Mar 25 22:20 |
| balzac | I like the casings and chassis of apple machines | Mar 25 22:21 |
| MinceR | i can’t think of a single thing i like about apple | Mar 25 22:21 |
| silentivm | neither do I | Mar 25 22:21 |
| silentivm | *can I | Mar 25 22:21 |
| balzac | Roy, it’s nice to see who votes | Mar 25 22:21 |
| balzac | and make people be direct with up or down | Mar 25 22:21 |
| balzac | 5-star allows shades of gray | Mar 25 22:21 |
| balzac | let people fight like a cock-fight, a managed dialectic, leading toward your conclusion | Mar 25 22:22 |
| balzac | That’s the game Markos of DailyKos plays | Mar 25 22:22 |
| MinceR | 5-star also requests an amount of information the voter might not have | Mar 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I don’t think I have user-naming featured at my disposal | Mar 25 22:23 |
| MinceR | “is this a 3 or a 4?” | Mar 25 22:23 |
| balzac | that’s why drupal instead of wordpress. WP is for blogs, Drupal is for community websites. | Mar 25 22:24 |
| schestowitz | According to RMS, “The New Zealand government has not given up its War on Sharing, and threatens to try again.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-ja… | Mar 25 22:24 |
| balzac | do a fundraiser for Tony’s Drigg module upgrade to D6, base BN on that, everybody wins. | Mar 25 22:24 |
| MinceR | isn’t there a gratis digg clone around already? | Mar 25 22:25 |
| MinceR | or a hundred? :> | Mar 25 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 25 22:25 |
| balzac | drigg, pligg | Mar 25 22:25 |
| schestowitz | But Digg model is passe to many | Mar 25 22:25 |
| balzac | pligg fell by the wayside | Mar 25 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I moved to mu-blogging | Mar 25 22:25 |
| balzac | mu? | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | micro | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | like the symbol Mu | Mar 25 22:26 |
| MinceR | i don’t see the point of microblogging | Mar 25 22:26 |
| balzac | ic | Mar 25 22:26 |
| MinceR | moo-blogging | Mar 25 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://mu.wordpress.org/about/ | Mar 25 22:27 |
| balzac | Roy, Digg is not the optional implementation, and there is no model they can claim as their own because it wasn’t them who did it first. | Mar 25 22:27 |
| balzac | optimal | Mar 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | does the digg model even fit a site where only a select group submits articles? | Mar 25 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Digg was similar to Slashdot | Mar 25 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Everyone inspires everyone | Mar 25 22:36 |
| MinceR | sadly, /. is becoming like digg | Mar 25 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Long ago | Mar 25 22:38 |
| MinceR | it’s not nearly as bad as digg yet | Mar 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | every time i look at the comments on a technical topic on digg, it’s always an endless stream of uninformed drivel from apple fanboys | Mar 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | if someone has something clueful to say, it’s buried | Mar 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | slashdot seems to have a good ratio of insightful stuff and funny stuff too | Mar 25 22:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true re: comments | Mar 25 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot comments are sometimes quite good. | Mar 25 22:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in Digg, long comments get buried | Mar 25 22:44 |
| schestowitz | One liners or two-word jokes are modded best sometimes. | Mar 25 22:44 |
| balzac | yeah but slashdot’s interface is too hard | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Why is Intel choosing to make GNU/Linux look so ugly? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p… | Mar 25 22:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes, that keeps Apple fans out | Mar 25 22:46 |
| MinceR | i prefer /.’s interface, because it seems to handle long threads better | Mar 25 22:50 |
| MinceR | (the classic interface, not the javascript Bloat City thing.) | Mar 25 22:51 |
| MinceR | it could certainly be improved though | Mar 25 22:51 |
| MinceR | finding the next top-level reply should be a lot easier than it is now | Mar 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat Profit Slips, As Revenue Grows 18% < http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/market… >. Worth digesting the numbers… | Mar 25 23:02 |
| schestowitz | “Red Hat (NYSE:RHT) reported earnings of 22 cents per share, ex-items, beating analysts’ estimates for 20 cents per share.” http://www.mysmartrend.com/briefs.asp… | Mar 25 23:04 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roys : u don’t like Moblin OS? | Mar 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Intel is a criminal entity | Mar 25 23:06 |
| _Hicham_1 | explain | Mar 25 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_1: search BN for “Intel” | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It’s not something I can elaborate on in a whim | Mar 25 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Need to manufacture a lot of evidence and present it because of the scale of the accused party | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Same when accusing the US of things | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | You can’t just make a statement so easily | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Easy(ier) to say “Mugabe is a dictator” than “bush is a dictator” because people already assume the former | Mar 25 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Help promote the Red Hat analysis from FFII: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… | Mar 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Someone has just posted this in mixx: “Gates’ gimmick of becoming a philantropist repeats the Rockefeller scam almost one to one a century later.” http://www.whale.to/vaccine/bill_… | Mar 25 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | “The problem with this scenario is that conditions – primarily technology – have changed enough to allow what were always parasites to become true predators. Parasites need a healthy host to maintain their lifestyle.” http://www.cringely.com/2009/03/344/ | Mar 25 23:27 |
| _Hicham_1 | wow, if mplayer can be used to stream all flash video content | Mar 25 23:29 |
| _Hicham_1 | i seen that it is possible for youtube | Mar 25 23:30 |
| _Hicham_1 | it is really a great alternative, what do u think roy? | Mar 25 23:30 |
| _Hicham_1 | that would solve the flash problem on Linux | Mar 25 23:30 |
| _Hicham_1 | the existing HQTube that gives the real video address to mplayer-plugin can be extended | Mar 25 23:32 |
| _Hicham_1 | to support all of the streaming flash websites | Mar 25 23:32 |
| _Hicham_1 | except youku | Mar 25 23:32 |
| _Hicham_1 | because this one is a little bit tricky | Mar 25 23:32 |
| _Hicham_1 | no one talks | Mar 25 23:33 |
| schestowitz | it’s content makers that cause problems | Mar 25 23:33 |
| schestowitz | And software patents | Mar 25 23:33 |
| _Hicham_1 | well, I am talking about a workaround | Mar 25 23:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | so that we can get the real video address | Mar 25 23:39 |
| schestowitz | ‘Content’ providers might not like that | Mar 25 23:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | because adobe flash for linux really sucks | Mar 25 23:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | why? | Mar 25 23:39 |
| MinceR | adobe flash really sucks | Mar 25 23:39 |
| MinceR | there, fixed that for you |
Mar 25 23:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | why Roy? | Mar 25 23:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : do u already use HQTube script? | Mar 25 23:40 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 25 23:40 |
| MinceR | what does it do? | Mar 25 23:40 |
| _Hicham_1 | it allows you to play youtube videos directly into mplayer-plugin | Mar 25 23:40 |
| MinceR | interesting | Mar 25 23:41 |
| _Hicham_1 | http://userscripts.org/scrip… | Mar 25 23:41 |
| MinceR | i’d have to switch to ff to make it work though | Mar 25 23:41 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : what do u use? | Mar 25 23:41 |
| MinceR | opera | Mar 25 23:42 |
| _Hicham_1 | opera uses its own flash plugin i think | Mar 25 23:42 |
| MinceR | most importantly, i’ll need to find an extension that fixes the invalid cert handling in ff3 | Mar 25 23:42 |
| MinceR | i’ve only found MitmMe so far, which goes too far | Mar 25 23:42 |
| MinceR | (won’t even let me view the cert and see what’s wrong with it) | Mar 25 23:42 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : the FF3 warning is normal | Mar 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | (also, it seems to add an exception for the rest of the session) | Mar 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_1: having to click 5 times to view a page i wouldn’t even normally care to use https for is not normal | Mar 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | or for a page that uses a self-signed cert i happen to know the fingerprint of | Mar 25 23:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | I think that there is a way to disable that | Mar 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | i haven’t found it | Mar 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | WTF? “Then there are the hobbyist versions of Linux, like Gentoo or Mandriva. ” Madnriva?? This guy is a troll indeed… not the first time, either. http://www.pcworld.com/article/16… | Mar 25 23:45 |
| MinceR | it’s IDG | Mar 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 25 23:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : he is an Ubuntard | Mar 25 23:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 25 23:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | sleepy Room | Mar 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | tacone has just pulled a lolcatz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-… | Mar 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_1: I’m catching up | Mar 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Members Get Free LWN Subs < http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/24… >. People still pay to read article? It’s a dying model. | Mar 25 23:58 |
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