04.20.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 19th, 2009 – Part 2
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| tacone | online choice exist | Apr 19 17:28 |
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| tacone | it’s only about formats | Apr 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/cont… (Spanish Man Behind P2P Site Jailed) | Apr 19 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Censorship attempts fail: Judge refuses to bar anonymous online comments about murder trial < http://www.interesting-people.org/archive… > | Apr 19 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Sun Said to Be Willing to Talk If IBM Eases on Terms < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… > | Apr 19 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | “I won’t bother recommending you dump Microsoft software and migrate to Linux or OS/2, because you’ve never listened to me before, and you’ve already convinced yourself that you can’t. I won’t bother recommending that you keep your antivirus software up-to-date, either, because with today’s fast moving worms like Klez.H, you already have it before a fix is available.” | Apr 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | “I do recommend prayer. Don’t bother praying that the worms won’t come, because they will anyway – get down on your knees and pray that your competitors stay with Windows so their costs will be as high as yours.” http://www.aaxnet.com/editor… | Apr 19 17:41 |
| trmanco | pulseaudio just improved my system sound | Apr 19 17:41 |
| trmanco |  |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz:  |
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| schestowitz | “[PJ: What I hope they think about is this: if they push P2P into the hands of criminals only, then what happens? There is a market for P2P and by refusing to satisfy that market, they are driving it underground, where no accommodation will be possible for them. Unless, of course, that's the actual goal.]“ | Apr 19 17:42 |
| trmanco | I kinda disabled it when I had 8.04, I just re-enabled it | Apr 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: why mess about w/ it? | Apr 19 17:42 |
| trmanco | uh | Apr 19 17:43 |
| trmanco | ? | Apr 19 17:43 |
| trmanco | I didn’t get it… | Apr 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | If it’s not broken, don’t break it. | Apr 19 17:51 |
| trmanco | I didn’t break anything | Apr 19 17:52 |
| MinceR | it seems to interfere with apps that want to use /dev/dsp | Apr 19 17:52 |
| MinceR | unreal engine games, for example | Apr 19 17:52 |
| trmanco | pulseaudio is great | Apr 19 17:52 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you’re using too, right? | Apr 19 17:56 |
| trmanco | it* | Apr 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | i find it pointless for local audio | Apr 19 18:00 |
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| trmanco | Sarien: Multiplayer Game Engine goes Open Source: http://ajaxian.com/archives/sarie… | Apr 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I use it too | Apr 19 18:25 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, btw, what version of PA are you using? | Apr 19 18:26 |
| trmanco | $pulseaudio –version | Apr 19 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sn… “In corporate affairs, when things *really* suck e.g. your stuff poisons babies, you take a harmless girl as a communicator. See also the pictures which set her in scene.” | Apr 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn did this last year. JESSICA MINTZ – yuck, I hate AP and her… but what Microsoft is up to is pathetic… Vista and Vista7 are fiascos and next week’s results will be fugly | Apr 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | └─(18:49 $)─> pulseaudio –version | Apr 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | pulseaudio 0.9.9 | Apr 19 18:50 |
| _boo_ | funny is that vista won’t even be popular by the time they release vista7 | Apr 19 18:50 |
| _boo_ | so people gonna understand that they are just dumped | Apr 19 18:50 |
| trmanco | thats old | Apr 19 18:51 |
| _boo_ | if they didn’t yet managed to realise that | Apr 19 18:51 |
| tacone | _boo_: i guess they missed the peak again. http://xkcd.com/323/ | Apr 19 18:51 |
| trmanco | pulseaudio 0.9.14 | Apr 19 18:52 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | what would be the benefit of upgrading? | Apr 19 19:01 |
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| amarsh04 | I was really hysterical the first time I saw http://xkcd.com/327/ | Apr 19 19:07 |
| trmanco | you would benefit a lot, check the changelogs | Apr 19 19:11 |
| trmanco | like this one “the best new feature, although not directly visible from the outside and often enough not enabled due to artificial limitations on the hardware buffer size of ALSA is time-scheduled playback (aka ‘glitch-free’). See http://0pointer.de/blog/pro…“ | Apr 19 19:11 |
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| tacone | amarsh04: me too  |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: not appealing to me | Apr 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | If my audio was not reliable or laggy, it would | Apr 19 19:17 |
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| trmanco | well, if it’s not broke, don’t fix it |
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| schestowitz | Maybe on a less powerful computer (like the one I have at work) it would have substantial and beneficial difference. | Apr 19 19:18 |
| tacone | schestowitz: do you plan to open up a forum as requested in the comments of the 6001th post ? | Apr 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: some people reported issues with PA, maybe due to implementation on their distro/h/w. I can think of Rami as one example. | Apr 19 19:18 |
| trmanco | yeah, I remember that conversation | Apr 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: don’t get me started on Vista’s audio stack. I read about it, but never used it. | Apr 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I can. Will you be therE? | Apr 19 19:19 |
| tacone | i don’t think so. | Apr 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | |
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| tacone | it’s just curiousity. | Apr 19 19:19 |
| tacone | i’m really not a forum type of guy. | Apr 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | One option would be to have people comment only in forums | Apr 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Then redirect them there. | Apr 19 19:19 |
| tacone | na | Apr 19 19:19 |
| tacone | why ? | Apr 19 19:20 |
| trmanco | maling list | Apr 19 19:20 |
| trmanco | we can have both | Apr 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | There’s already comments and IRC right there on page as Web based. | Apr 19 19:20 |
| tacone | right. | Apr 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | mailing list sounds slow | Apr 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | IRC is a lot more interactive | Apr 19 19:20 |
| tacone | mailing lists are not nicely browsable. | Apr 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | And we don’t formalise stuff like code, for which ML can be valuable. | Apr 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: depends on the archiveer | Apr 19 19:21 |
| tacone | right. | Apr 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Most are very unleasant. Indexes and isolated msgs | Apr 19 19:21 |
| trmanco | letters and sentences can be the code |
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| schestowitz | Threaded msgs are hard to go through wholly | Apr 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: think along the lines of announcements | Apr 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Or changelogs | Apr 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | These would not work in IRC | Apr 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | IRC started as a suggestion from someone in the comments | Apr 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Here we are almost 1 year later | Apr 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | In fact, many suggestions came from commetns | Apr 19 19:22 |
| trmanco | IRC is a great tool | Apr 19 19:22 |
| tacone | also, i think | Apr 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me like 5 times yesterday with design suggestions, so I tweaked a bit | Apr 19 19:22 |
| tacone | that, while a redesign is unnecessary compared with the burden it is. | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I think of IRC as ‘the old media’ because it predates IM which took me away from it | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: exactly | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know if we shall move the mass to the Wiki | Apr 19 19:23 |
| tacone | you really should only display summaries in the homepage. | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Not negecting the blog | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Here is the vision to bear in mind | Apr 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Just like SourceWatch, we could make the front page welcoming to first-time visitors | Apr 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | The blog then becomes just a section | Apr 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | And the Wiki is partly an index to the blog items, court exhibits, etc. | Apr 19 19:24 |
| tacone | the wiki is dangerous. | Apr 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Let me see if I can sort it out now | Apr 19 19:24 |
| tacone | requires moderation | Apr 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: why is it dangerous? | Apr 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | It needs registration | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | And I can track changes well | Apr 19 19:25 |
| tacone | not just vandalism | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Wiki is not really public yet | Apr 19 19:25 |
| tacone | concepts have to have sources. | Apr 19 19:25 |
| tacone | otherwise you’re more liable. | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, biblio’ | Apr 19 19:25 |
| tacone | you know that, but many people don’t. | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: that’s why I don’t put the Wiki out there | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It’s too semi-cooked | Apr 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It makes the site look bad | Apr 19 19:25 |
| *tacone likes sourcewatch | Apr 19 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | SourceWatch gets 2m visits/month | Apr 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should radically change BN front page | Apr 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz | To move blog aside. | Apr 19 19:26 |
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| tacone | well, if the home gets redesigned | Apr 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Then link to indexes and stuff and present information to newcomers…? | Apr 19 19:27 |
| tacone | yes, maybe | Apr 19 19:27 |
| tacone | well. the links are already there | Apr 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but I have something else in mind | Apr 19 19:27 |
| tacone | maybe they could have a little more impact. | Apr 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Here’s the issue | Apr 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | brb phone | Apr 19 19:28 |
| tacone | sourcewatch home page is pretty cool. | Apr 19 19:28 |
| tacone | ok | Apr 19 19:28 |
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| trmanco | it’s a wiki style frontpage | Apr 19 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I’ll ask readers | Apr 19 19:48 |
| schestowitz | FWIW | Apr 19 19:48 |
| tacone | there’s no such thing as a wiki style frontpage | Apr 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/19/… | Apr 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | See if you can spot problems with the question, please |
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| _boo_ | tacone, isn’t it patented yet? | Apr 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I could use this as a chance to also resolve poor use of screen space | Apr 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: JPEG on a page is :-p | Apr 19 19:53 |
| tacone | _boo_: no. but I patented the ‘is patented or not’ type of question. so you’d better not ask next time. | Apr 19 19:53 |
| _boo_ | what a flaw by m$… they should’ve patented wiki style | Apr 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. | Apr 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of MSFT patent news to post, maybe tomorrow | Apr 19 19:54 |
| tacone | _boo_: that would require them to learn how to do a proper website. | Apr 19 19:54 |
| _boo_ | yeah… too much for m$ | Apr 19 19:54 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i didn’t found anything about the mail from Linus, even in the irc logs. | Apr 19 19:55 |
| _boo_ | they should also find a way to screw it to be only viewable by ie | Apr 19 19:55 |
| tacone | hope you find the time to post something | Apr 19 19:55 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, did you post somewhere about mail conversation with Linus? | Apr 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… | Apr 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I can’t just post the stuff without permission | Apr 19 19:56 |
| tacone | ok | Apr 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | So I mentioned some bits in IRC, which is informal | Apr 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Linus seems to know very well what we’re up to | Apr 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He has colleagues in Novell though and they fund him | Apr 19 19:57 |
| tacone | does bsd prevent exclusion ? | Apr 19 19:57 |
| tacone | so it’s what i thought. it’s just Tivoization that prevent GPL 3 adoption. | Apr 19 19:59 |
| tacone | italian taxpayers funded tv, sigh. http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/progra… | Apr 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Pay to be told what to think |
Apr 19 20:04 |
| tacone | motherfuckers | Apr 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Like in the US they fund advertising, aka PR, aja propaganda | Apr 19 20:04 |
| tacone | moonlight. they can stick it to where the sun doesn’t shine. | Apr 19 20:05 |
| tacone | it’s kind of ironic to be preaching people to use flash, given it’s yet another jail. | Apr 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I’m looking at the PHP files in WordPress | Apr 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | It would be a total nightmare to massage index.php to have more than one template | Apr 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Suffice to say, to split this into section is a lot of complexity | Apr 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | So if I were to change FP, I’d move to MediaWiki | Apr 19 20:11 |
| schestowitz | And then offer doors to other stuff, of course. | Apr 19 20:11 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I like the FP like it is. Only a little cleaner would be good | Apr 19 20:14 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: and how would you export the data ? | Apr 19 20:20 |
| tacone | *that* would be a complete nightmare | Apr 19 20:21 |
| tacone | schestowitz: which version of wordpress are you using ? | Apr 19 20:21 |
| tacone | oh, offering doors. | Apr 19 20:23 |
| tacone | mh. | Apr 19 20:23 |
| tacone | i don’t think that’s a good idea. | Apr 19 20:24 |
| tacone | if you have subdomains superpowers you could just set up a test site where you can try out new themes. | Apr 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no export | Apr 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The only page can stay | Apr 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Apr 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | To be used as front page we can havs something else | Apr 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/i… | Apr 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | here are all the pages: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… | Apr 19 21:00 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/how_… | Apr 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Apr 19 21:08 |
| Balrog_ | anyone here knows how to dump audio/video streams? | Apr 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | WordPress has a nice feature I never noticed | Apr 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | If you put the wrong URL | Apr 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Like if it’s shortened, then it searches for best match and take you there | Apr 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: try mplayer/mencoder | Apr 19 21:08 |
| Balrog_ | yes, but this is an odd one | Apr 19 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.wpitam.com/ | Apr 19 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | uses some kind of obfuscated ASF stream (M$ WMP) | Apr 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | WordPress question: is there a URL other than root that would take me to main index? | Apr 19 21:10 |
| tacone | schestowitz: you should put togheter a draft of the home page you want to achieve before starting to work to do that. | Apr 19 21:14 |
| tacone | schestowitz: /index.php | Apr 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I have an idea already | Apr 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I know | Apr 19 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | no one knows? | Apr 19 21:15 |
| tacone | (10:21:44 PM) schestowitz: WordPress question: is there a URL other than root that would take me to main index? | Apr 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | tacone: but wordpress rewqrites it | Apr 19 21:15 |
| tacone | what are you trying to achieve ? | Apr 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | If it rewrites it, then I can’t redirect from root | Apr 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I’m thinking about presenting a front page in the form of a Wiki | Apr 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The Wiki then leads to certain indexes and the blog section | Apr 19 21:16 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ok, but is there any other use for wikimedia other than the frontpage ? | Apr 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes | Apr 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Definitely | Apr 19 21:16 |
| tacone | like ? | Apr 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | And a group of 3 women will help us create indexes | Apr 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: indexes to articles | Apr 19 21:16 |
| tacone | why create indexes ? | Apr 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Heirarchical | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Hierarchical | Apr 19 21:17 |
| tacone | aren’t those supposed to be pulled dynamically ? | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it would be easy then to use the sites as resouce | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Less as a daily news thing | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, we sort of have these | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I want to have introductions to topic | Apr 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | *topics | Apr 19 21:17 |
| tacone | wouldn’t that be achieved just with the wordpress categories or tags ? | Apr 19 21:17 |
| tacone | that’s already possible. | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | tacone: It could, but not flexible enough | Apr 19 21:18 |
| tacone | oh, ok. | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | because you also want to cross-link different sections | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Blog will stay as is | Apr 19 21:18 |
| tacone | ok | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Just “/” should take newcomers to something useful | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Assuming they come to learn about Novell | Apr 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not be presented with MS rants | Apr 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | There’s room for that too | Apr 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I’m just trying to see if I can get the same contents FP presents now, but using a different URLd | Apr 19 21:19 |
| tacone | let’s see what you put together. | Apr 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I tried “//”. Doesn’t work | Apr 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | WordPress rewrites and merges pages | Apr 19 21:20 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 19 21:20 |
| tacone | i mean “?” | Apr 19 21:20 |
| tacone | are you doing htaccess tricks ? | Apr 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I’ll ask in #WordPress …? | Apr 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, .htaccess | Apr 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But I can’t link recursively | Apr 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Like, if I link from Wiki to main page of “boycottnovell.com”, then it links back to the Wiki | Apr 19 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I need to list to something that will display all posts | Apr 19 21:23 |
| schestowitz | “The site doe need some changes. The homepage should be an introduction to the issues to the people ignorant of what our issues are (99.95% of the human race, at least). The people who are truly interested will find the discussion where ever it is hidden, though we shouldn’t hide it.” | Apr 19 21:25 |
| tacone | you can use some mediawiki plugin to list all post from rss i guess. | Apr 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I think so | Apr 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | What I’ll need is at least a pointer to the blog | Apr 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | But regular blog reader will find it anyway | Apr 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | CMD (SourceWatch) seems to work similarly) | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Many pointers now go to the blog | Apr 19 21:28 |
| tacone | you can use something like ?blog | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They used to have many encyclopedia entries | Apr 19 21:28 |
| tacone | http://www.boycottnovell/?blog | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Let me try | Apr 19 21:28 |
| tacone | and discriminate the ?blog in the .htaccess trick. | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | COOL! | Apr 19 21:28 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But let me chck quickly | Apr 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Does this search the site? | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Because that would be CPU intensive | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | ?blog is just a word | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | could be ?shit | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I mean, when this query is called via this URL, what happens? | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | nothing | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | but you can catch the ?blog presence | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh wai | Apr 19 21:29 |
| tacone | and know if you have to redirect to the blog or the wiki | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Stilly me | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | ? is interpreted by SEs differently | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Like an arg | Apr 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | But WordPress rewrites “?” | Apr 19 21:30 |
| tacone | try yourself. | Apr 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Apr 19 21:30 |
| tacone | http://boycottnovell.com/?blog | Apr 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lis… | Apr 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Oldie but goodie… http://magpierss.sourceforge.net/ | Apr 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.researchintelligentdesig… | Apr 19 21:33 |
| tacone | In a way, I feel simple wp hacking would have been cleaner and maybe even simpleer. | Apr 19 21:34 |
| tacone | but i’m curious to see what are you coming out with. | Apr 19 21:34 |
| tacone | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/… | Apr 19 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wi… | Apr 19 21:35 |
| tacone | also i guess you’ll have to change the blog theme sooner or later. | Apr 19 21:36 |
| tacone | another thing: you should never fear the change of theme to disappoint existing users. bn is great because of the content (and lot of it !), the theme is not conditioning users readership. | Apr 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Cool, it works. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/i… | Apr 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. | Apr 19 21:41 |
| tacone | for what ? |
Apr 19 21:42 |
| tacone | i’m a webdeveloper | Apr 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Good. | Apr 19 21:42 |
| tacone | if you have any issue feel free to ask me. | Apr 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Cache works too | Apr 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I can see it being accomodated | Apr 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks a million! | Apr 19 21:42 |
| tacone | that’s not the homepage you want, though. | Apr 19 21:43 |
| tacone | oh, mattcuts commented on my blog. now that he knows my existance i will use him to force google to release its search as opensource and only make money with technical support (joking) | Apr 19 21:45 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 19 21:46 |
| tacone | schestowitz: do you have a test site ? | Apr 19 21:47 |
| tacone | schestowitz: which kind of control do you have on your server | Apr 19 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: I have “For each article in a feed, show Full text” | Apr 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn’t seem to deliver it, does it? | Apr 19 22:02 |
| tacone | so ? | Apr 19 22:02 |
| tacone | i told you, depends on which rss you subscribe | Apr 19 22:02 |
| tacone | the rss2 works iirc | Apr 19 22:02 |
| tacone | schestowitz: which wp version are you on ? | Apr 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | tacone: 2.7 | Apr 19 22:03 |
| tacone | i think it’s weird for default feed to truncated | Apr 19 22:03 |
| tacone | but I assure you, i read the full feed now. | Apr 19 22:03 |
| tacone | http://www.boycottnovell.com/feed | Apr 19 22:04 |
| tacone | i think the default is wrong because of the theme, maybe. | Apr 19 22:04 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, it does | Apr 19 22:04 |
| trmanco | it does show full text in feeds | Apr 19 22:04 |
| tacone | schestowitz: now answer me, which kind of control do you have on domain ? | Apr 19 22:04 |
| tacone | trmanco: if you subscribe from firefox, usually you get the truncated feed. | Apr 19 22:05 |
| tacone | i discovered the full feeds while trying liferea. | Apr 19 22:05 |
| trmanco | tacone, yeah, that a firefox limitation, firefox isn’t a feed reader | Apr 19 22:05 |
| tacone | trmanco: no, you didn’t understand. | Apr 19 22:05 |
| tacone | of s/firefox/googlereader | Apr 19 22:05 |
| tacone | i don’t know why, but have been stuck with a partial feed for many months. | Apr 19 22:06 |
| trmanco | I’m using google reader and it show full feed | Apr 19 22:06 |
| trmanco | shows* | Apr 19 22:06 |
| trmanco | at least 2 hours ago it did | Apr 19 22:06 |
| tacone | uhm, the atom feed is full either. | Apr 19 22:06 |
| trmanco | I’ll check again | Apr 19 22:07 |
| tacone | check http://boycottnovell.com/rss | Apr 19 22:07 |
| tacone | that’s the bad one | Apr 19 22:07 |
| tacone | check http://boycottnovell.com/feed and http://www.boycottnovell.com/… are fine. | Apr 19 22:07 |
| trmanco | yeah /feed | Apr 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: WordPress is clipping full text: http://boycottnovell.com/categor… | Apr 19 22:08 |
| tacone | schestowitz: just strip http://boycottnovell.com/rss from header.php | Apr 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | See source | Apr 19 22:08 |
| tacone | schestowitz: try http://boycottnovell.com/categor… | Apr 19 22:09 |
| trmanco | Posts per week:58.6 | Apr 19 22:09 |
| tacone | trmanco: lol. writeative. | Apr 19 22:09 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 19 22:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: on the domain I have little control | Apr 19 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Just cpanel | Apr 19 22:09 |
| tacone | schestowitz: can you create subdomains with dedicate ftp access ? | Apr 19 22:09 |
| trmanco | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1856 | Apr 19 22:10 |
| tacone | subdomains with a separated web space. | Apr 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I seee… | Apr 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Firefox shortens these | Apr 19 22:11 |
| tacone | yes, firefox shorten these. but you have 1 on 3 feed truncated by the way | Apr 19 22:12 |
| tacone | if you subscribe the wrong one, you get the truncated one. | Apr 19 22:12 |
| trmanco | if you don’t wan’t/have time to do everything yourself you can always set let the community help you out | Apr 19 22:12 |
| trmanco | hmm, extra word | Apr 19 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Remove <link rel=”alternate” type=”text/xml” title=”RSS .92″ href=”<?php bloginfo(‘rss_url’); ?>” /> ? | Apr 19 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Is this the one? | Apr 19 22:13 |
| schestowitz | The second? | Apr 19 22:14 |
| tacone | i guess yes. | Apr 19 22:14 |
| tacone | i guess it is. | Apr 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I leave just RSS 2.0 and Atom 0.3 | Apr 19 22:14 |
| tacone | y | Apr 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Which feed to recommend? | Apr 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | URL? | Apr 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | For full text | Apr 19 22:15 |
| tacone | /feed should be the right choice | Apr 19 22:15 |
| trmanco | yes | Apr 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | All points in the right place now | Apr 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I had hanging references to parital feed (by accident) | Apr 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Now I want to try to add daily news to Wiki, just one latest item | Apr 19 22:19 |
| tacone | I’m going out now. | Apr 19 22:20 |
| tacone | I’ll be back in maybe 1.5 hour. if I don’t see you here afterwards, I’ll be away for 1-2 weeks | Apr 19 22:20 |
| tacone | see you after |
Apr 19 22:20 |
| trmanco | cya | Apr 19 22:20 |
| tacone | paris awaits me, If I manage to get on the train  |
Apr 19 22:21 |
| trmanco | have a nice trip | Apr 19 22:21 |
| tacone | thx. bye ! | Apr 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 19 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Have a good trip | Apr 19 22:27 |
| _boo_ | http://xkcd.com/329/ | Apr 19 22:30 |
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| tacone | ups back | Apr 19 22:48 |
| _boo_ | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut… | Apr 19 22:52 |
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| _boo_ | funny quotes | Apr 19 22:52 |
| popey | hi ikonia | Apr 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Any thoughts on this early attempt? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in… | Apr 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Hi, popey | Apr 19 22:53 |
| *tacone looking | Apr 19 22:54 | |
| tacone | schestowitz: couldn’t you make it like sourcewatch ? | Apr 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Style-wise? | Apr 19 22:55 |
| tacone | uhm, they use html | Apr 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It’s still early |
Apr 19 22:55 |
| tacone | box-wise | Apr 19 22:55 |
| tacone | btw | Apr 19 22:55 |
| tacone | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php… | Apr 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I’m not following.. | Apr 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know | Apr 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I viewed it | Apr 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I created an account there earlier | Apr 19 22:56 |
| tacone | i’d say you can keep they’re layout | Apr 19 22:57 |
| tacone | the news to the left | Apr 19 22:57 |
| tacone | to the right an editor pick (if exists) and the portals | Apr 19 22:57 |
| tacone | the portals shuold have a summary each and possibly a picture/photo. | Apr 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Apr 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Photos are not simple in MediaWiki | Apr 19 22:58 |
| tacone | of course i understand this is early. | Apr 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I need to enable external linking | Apr 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Or upload it | Apr 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, very early | Apr 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Content is a mess, still.. | Apr 19 22:58 |
| tacone | it’d even get rid of the left column (navigation, search, etc) | Apr 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | The RSS aggregator is no good for full text | Apr 19 22:59 |
| tacone | that can be put somewhere else. | Apr 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | It either refuses the input or makes it ugly | Apr 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | So automated import of HTML is a no-no | Apr 19 22:59 |
| tacone | you’ll need to tweak the theme and manually add the wordpress rrs | Apr 19 22:59 |
| tacone | I told you wikimedia wouldn’t have be that easy |
Apr 19 23:00 |
| tacone | or tried to tell ya | Apr 19 23:00 |
| schestowitz | No, it’s fine | Apr 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The goal was different | Apr 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I want to merge these two | Apr 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks a lot for the help | Apr 19 23:15 |
| tacone | you’re welcome. | Apr 19 23:15 |
| tacone | i did nothing. | Apr 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I’ll need to hack a lot on the Wiki before a switchover | Apr 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | It will be done some time later this year | Apr 19 23:15 |
| tacone | ok | Apr 19 23:18 |
| tacone | we’ll see |
Apr 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/h… “In early 2008, I reviewed the ASUS Eee PC 4G, one of the original netbooks. It cost $400, had a 7-inch screen, 4GB of storage space, 512MB of RAM and ran the Linux operating system. A whole lot has changed in a year. Nearly every computer maker has released a netbook, which can range from a few hundred dollars to $900, and most typically features | Apr 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Windows XP operating system.” | Apr 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just trying to ruin this market | Apr 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | ARM will come shortly (July I think) | Apr 19 23:20 |
| tacone | ms has only windows ce for arm | Apr 19 23:21 |
| tacone | arm is going to be a real change | Apr 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Garmin nuvifone G60 bringing the Linux-love in June? < http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/17/ga… > | Apr 19 23:21 |
| tacone | mainly because ms can change architecture | Apr 19 23:21 |
| balzac | lart | Apr 19 23:21 |
| tacone | but ISV are not ready to ship for a different architecture | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Yo | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: what’s up, balzac ? | Apr 19 23:22 |
| tacone | they got used to the Intel monopoly. mentality doesn’t change that fast. | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: which ISVs? | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | This has Firefox and other apps | Apr 19 23:22 |
| tacone | every ISV. | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Skype might be an isue | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | But they compiled it for JesisPhone | Apr 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | *Jesusphone (iPhone) | Apr 19 23:22 |
| tacone | pick a any software for windows xp | Apr 19 23:23 |
| Balrog_ | heh, Skype for Mac is around …. | Apr 19 23:23 |
| tacone | and see if there’s a version for ARM. | Apr 19 23:23 |
| Balrog_ | (and it works on PPC) | Apr 19 23:23 |
| balzac | hey roy | Apr 19 23:23 |
| balzac | just workin on a sunday evening again | Apr 19 23:23 |
| tacone | MS would need to port windows xp/7 for arm and ship another version of visual studio | Apr 19 23:23 |
| balzac | bbiab, got to grab a bite | Apr 19 23:23 |
| tacone | and encourage people to adopt it. | Apr 19 23:23 |
| tacone | impossible. | Apr 19 23:23 |
| tacone | they have no choice than to FUD and try to resist change. | Apr 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: can choose between heavy $900 windows XP netnotebooks or a light $200 Linux one that lasts all day (battery) | Apr 19 23:24 |
| tacone | i’m saying the whole win ecosystem is totally unprepared for arm. | Apr 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: where would the profit be to MS? | Apr 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It’ll report abysmal results shortly | Apr 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Linux is killing them | Apr 19 23:25 |
| tacone | i’m said MS is in trouble. | Apr 19 23:25 |
| tacone | saying. | Apr 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | They are desperate to starve based on price | Apr 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | They just try to put an end to low-end computers | Apr 19 23:25 |
| tacone | even if they can port windows they can make ISV to port. | Apr 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Debian has loads of stuff on the repos for ARM | Apr 19 23:26 |
| tacone | skype btw is pretty responsive. just give them 2-3 years |
Apr 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Windows — not so much | Apr 19 23:26 |
| tacone | ms has only windows ce for arm afaik | Apr 19 23:26 |
| *tacone just switched to exaile from banshee | Apr 19 23:27 | |
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| schestowitz | yes | Apr 19 23:36 |
| schestowitz | “Patents suppress innovation” and “We don’t need patents because other IP protection forms are absolutely sufficient” are two of the arguments most frequently heard when discussing the problem of “software patents” in Europe. http://www.epo.org/about-us/events/… | Apr 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | EPO makes me sick | Apr 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They just extend the scope to make more money. Private business giving government-protected monopolies for cash. And the stupid law allows people to block competition and customers be scared to use some code because it might “not be licenced” (to merely perform some method like “recommended review”) | Apr 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Juniper for MS, by MS: http://www.webwire.com/View… | Apr 19 23:42 |
| tacone | patents should be suppressed though. | Apr 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.2 success story in Mandriva 2009.1: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35957 | Apr 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | There are webdev patents too | Apr 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Lots of them | Apr 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | You might be violating some, tacone | Apr 19 23:44 |
| tacone | sure I am | Apr 19 23:45 |
| tacone | jpeg on website for example. | Apr 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | “So, am I happy? In a word, yes. With the Desktop “Folder Containment view”, things behave much like the old KDE, so I can get around fairly well, and do what I need to do. And, as Mandriva is building toward their final Spring release, they are releasing daily scads of bugfixes and updates–resulting in my system now becoming very stable, which is essential for a production machine” | Apr 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, that one | Apr 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Patents criminalise programmers | Apr 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | And Web developers and many other occupations | Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft customers become criminals | Apr 19 23:46 |
| tacone | nations criminalize citizens | Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | And Mcirosoft is sued for “pirating” every other week | Apr 19 23:46 |
| tacone | criminalization = control | Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, nations care |
Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | They are like parents | Apr 19 23:46 |
| tacone | you shall be collaborative if you don’t want to be sued. | Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Caning you to tell you what’s wrong | Apr 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Though shall support our troops | Apr 19 23:47 |
| tacone | in patents, corporations are criminalizating. | Apr 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I think we could tame money to SupportTheTroops(C) | Apr 19 23:47 |
| tacone | but nations do that too, as a tool for control | Apr 19 23:47 |
| tacone | italy does. | Apr 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | In the US , some peoplw who opposed war got flagged as terror suspects | Apr 19 23:47 |
| tacone | criminalizes bloggers | Apr 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Some people were smart about it | Apr 19 23:47 |
| tacone | if you say something wrong, they do a quick check | Apr 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | “Suppor the troops — bring em back home” | Apr 19 23:48 |
| tacone | find you’re infringing (like everyone else btw) and shut you down. | Apr 19 23:48 |
| silentivm | Brazil also can do that, in theory | Apr 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Or scanning sites for one violation of copyright | Apr 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Like some image | Apr 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Classic one | Apr 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They tried it against PJ | Apr 19 23:48 |
| silentivm | we have theoretical “freedom of speech”, but try criticizing the government or a large corporation | Apr 19 23:48 |
| balzac | Someone should make a list of software patent advocate groups and individuals | Apr 19 23:48 |
| silentivm | you WILL get sued | Apr 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Also, TrollTracker got threatened for having JPEG in a Web page | Apr 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | So he dropped JPEG | Apr 19 23:49 |
| tacone | in italy | Apr 19 23:49 |
| balzac | the list can be held up for public shaming – the thought police and freedom-hater’s conspiritors list | Apr 19 23:49 |
| tacone | you can’t have a (traditional) journal which is not registered to the state | Apr 19 23:49 |
| tacone | that obviously extends to websites | Apr 19 23:49 |
| tacone | no one obviously registers his site (difficult, and probably not possible at all for a private guy) | Apr 19 23:50 |
| silentivm | in Brazil there’s no need to register | Apr 19 23:50 |
| tacone | so, some people got sued for having a clandestine (is that word right?) journal over the internet. | Apr 19 23:50 |
| tacone | and, guess what ? he was talking about mafia. | Apr 19 23:51 |
| tacone | what a coincidence. | Apr 19 23:51 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 19 23:52 |
| Balrog_ | threatened for a JPEG?!?!? | Apr 19 23:52 |
| silentivm | but hey, Brazil is the country where singing along a song is considered copyright infringement | Apr 19 23:52 |
| silentivm | (yes, this is true) | Apr 19 23:52 |
| tacone | he has been sued for defamation as well. | Apr 19 23:53 |
| tacone | yes, balrog. that’s a typical software patent. | Apr 19 23:54 |
| tacone | Balrog: http://www.stefanoforenza.com… | Apr 19 23:54 |
| tacone | ms has tried to patent double click | Apr 19 23:55 |
| tacone | and also ‘xml based document for interoperability purpouses’ | Apr 19 23:55 |
| tacone | well, the xml patent has been accepted, in australia.. | Apr 19 23:55 |
| tacone | lol ! | Apr 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Novell’s shill blog: http://opsamericas.com/?p=1220 | Apr 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Now, *that’s* LOL | Apr 19 23:57 |
| tacone | i think that’s aggregated on planet suse | Apr 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Well, it’s a Novell advocacy thing | Apr 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Run by partners, AFAIK | Apr 19 23:59 |
| tacone | no | Apr 19 23:59 |
| tacone | it’s by novel… | Apr 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it some years ago | Apr 19 23:59 |
| tacone | oh or partners | Apr 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | tacone: directly? | Apr 19 23:59 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: ok to PM? | Apr 19 23:59 |
| Balrog_ | I want you to look over something | Apr 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: better public | Apr 19 23:59 |
| tacone | you can say it’s from novell or partners by the title | Apr 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | tacone: let me fetch links | Apr 19 23:59 |
| tacone | no one advocates Suse Linux ENTERPRISE | Apr 19 23:59 |
