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05.02.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 1st, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 1:05 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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DaemonFC` uggh May 01 00:02
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DaemonFC as I was about to say May 01 00:02
DaemonFC the SP2 update is about 92 megs if you already have all the hostfixes that came after SP1 May 01 00:03
DaemonFC but 750 megs if you get the standalone installer May 01 00:03
DaemonFC because that can’t know what you have May 01 00:03
DaemonFC *hotfixes May 01 00:03
DaemonFC and unfortunately SP1 has a tick that freezes my system whenever it feels like it May 01 00:04
DaemonFC and SP2 doesn’t do that May 01 00:04
DaemonFC :P May 01 00:04
DaemonFC I really have no idea why it’s doing that May 01 00:04
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schestowitz Look at the code :-p May 01 00:17
schestowitz Go to bugzilla.NET May 01 00:17
Balrog DaemonFC: Apple’s latest update will be like 600 MB May 01 00:25
Balrog schestowitz: Hospitals affected by Conficker May 01 00:25
Balrog <http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl… May 01 00:26
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schestowitz is harish pillay with red hat? May 01 00:29
schestowitz Balrog: what again? May 01 00:29
schestowitz :-) May 01 00:29
schestowitz I have like 5 incidents already May 01 00:29
schestowitz Oh, I got ths one already May 01 00:30
schestowitz 2-3 days ago May 01 00:30
Balrog pOK. May 01 00:37
Balrog OK * May 01 00:37
Balrog this is getting out of hand May 01 00:37
Balrog :( May 01 00:37
schestowitz The virus? May 01 00:41
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schestowitz Or BN? :-) May 01 00:41
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schestowitz Well, Microsoft too is getting out of (its own) hand. May 01 00:42
Balrog no, Microsoft, and the virus May 01 00:47
Balrog Apple filed for a non-software patent: <http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/30/apple-…> May 01 00:48
schestowitz Is that something to be proud of? May 01 00:49
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schestowitz Microsoft turns software to politics: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… May 01 01:04
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schestowitz gn May 01 01:48
DaemonFC hmmm May 01 01:50
DaemonFC you can jsut sign up for a new 2 week XM trial when your old one expires May 01 01:50
DaemonFC lol May 01 01:50
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twitter I read this article, http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/ubuntu-n… but don’t seem to be able to duplicate the result. May 01 06:42
twitter http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%… May 01 06:42
twitter I see what happened.  they used “windows vista” instead of “vista” as a search term. May 01 06:48
twitter http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2… May 01 06:48
twitter shows a more complete picture. May 01 06:48
twitter overall interest in Windows has declined greatly but it’s a generic term May 01 06:49
twitter you can compare another generic term, “apple” to all of this http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubunt… May 01 06:50
twitter it is interesting that a word like ubuntu could compete with something like “apple” which is also a fruit and a music label. May 01 06:51
twitter bigger than Jesus May 01 06:51
twitter hmmm May 01 06:51
twitter http://www.google.com/trends?q=ub… May 01 06:52
twitter jesus is not doing so well May 01 06:52
twitter http://www.google.com/trends?q=u… May 01 06:53
twitter there, that’s better May 01 06:53
twitter GNU/Linux is almost as big as God/Church http://www.google.com/trends?q=… May 01 06:54
twitter still, nothing can compare to the massive M$ spam machine. May 01 06:55
twitter no one loves OSX May 01 06:56
twitter http://www.google.com/trends… May 01 06:56
twitter hmmm, even a combination of common fears and morbidity is unable to dethrone Windows, http://www.google.com/trends?q=u… May 01 07:00
twitter it is truly amazing that more people search for “windows” than war, murder, shark, kill, torture, flu and terror combined. May 01 07:01
twitter ah, Windows meets it’s match with “sex” http://www.google.com/trends?q=… May 01 07:02
twitter awesome porn is right up there with the other spam http://www.google.com/trends?q=ub… May 01 07:03
twitter Conclusion:  the popularity of “Windows” must be due to spam. May 01 07:04
twitter Topics such as “terror” which have been thrust into the public imagination non stop by a full press in all media is unable to hold a candle to it. May 01 07:05
twitter Google is obviously the target of tremendous spam. May 01 07:06
twitter I find it difficult to believe that more people would actually search for Windows than religion or porn, even for a sort time. May 01 07:06
twitter finally, when you look at the most generic terms possible, you get this http://www.google.com/trends?q=u… May 01 07:14
schestowitz Hey May 01 07:15
schestowitz twitter: yes, I hate Google Trends May 01 07:16
schestowitz People misuse it a lot May 01 07:16
twitter not even puppies or kittens can compete with windows http://www.google.com/trends?q=win… May 01 07:17
twitter it is interesting that cars almost can and you can see the news coverage is much much greater for cars May 01 07:18
twitter girls do almost as well as cars May 01 07:18
twitter boys don’t May 01 07:19
twitter Earth has very interesting interest patterns May 01 07:19
twitter almost as popular as girls May 01 07:20
twitter school is about as popular as windows, but can’t touch sex May 01 07:21
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twitter So, good morning to you, Roy. May 01 07:22
twitter it’s what, 8AM for you? May 01 07:22
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twitter it’s just about midnight here and I have to sleep soon. May 01 07:22
mib_h1o3zz Roy, May 01 07:23
mib_h1o3zz Problems with IE8 deciding that it should be the default browser in install: May 01 07:23
mib_h1o3zz http://www.pcworld.com/article/164127… May 01 07:23
twitter red is more popular than hot. May 01 07:24
mib_h1o3zz Some people are having problems getting it to give up, and lie down dead. One guy says it tries to take over every time he reboots. May 01 07:24
twitter hmmm, why would you install IE8?  Thanks for the article. May 01 07:24
twitter It’s more of the same from M$. May 01 07:24
mib_h1o3zz I wouldn’t, but some poor bastard did. BTW, this is The Mad Hatter, I’m using someone else’s computer. May 01 07:25
mib_h1o3zz Still the comments with the story are pretty damned funny. Also pretty damned sad. May 01 07:26
twitter indeed May 01 07:28
schestowitz I see.. May 01 07:28
schestowitz tessier: yes, just work up May 01 07:29
twitter you missed the google trend fun.  Windows is bigger than god.  bigger than cars, terror, flue, sharks.  bigger than everything but sex. May 01 07:30
mib_h1o3zz Also check out “RIAA’s Hostile Takeover of the Internet” May 01 07:30
mib_h1o3zz http://torrentfreak.com/riaas-… May 01 07:30
twitter ongoing, but I’ll see what they are up to now. May 01 07:31
twitter more of the same May 01 07:33
twitter basic censorship and tear down of the internet May 01 07:34
twitter the only difference is the success they are having. May 01 07:34
twitter they also aim to stamp out software freedom May 01 07:34
mib_h1o3zz Yep. And they need to be stopped. May 01 07:35
twitter traditional media must die and die faster than it already is. May 01 07:35
twitter ignore traditional media May 01 07:36
twitter it’s worthless anyway. May 01 07:36
twitter don’t pay for cable TV May 01 07:36
twitter don’t buy newspapers May 01 07:36
twitter don’t even watch TV unless you record the shows yourself May 01 07:36
twitter as people abandon traditional media, advertisers abandon it May 01 07:37
schestowitz Agreed, tessier May 01 07:46
schestowitz *twitter May 01 07:46
schestowitz Newham (UK) Powered by Microsoft, for Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… May 01 07:46
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oiaohm http://www.microsoft-watch.com/c…  << Linux Watch is still alive. May 01 08:11
schestowitz :–DDDDDD May 01 08:16
schestowitz Linux Watch is low volume postings May 01 08:19
oiaohm Most of the time there is nothing to flame about. May 01 08:19
oiaohm In Linux watch. May 01 08:20
schestowitz oiaohm: true May 01 08:21
schestowitz No TalkBacks either May 01 08:21
oiaohm http://trafficsqueezer.sourceforge.n…  Hmm another form of compression being developed for Linux. May 01 08:23
schestowitz Cool. May 01 08:25
oiaohm Linux watch does have talkbacks. May 01 08:26
oiaohm Just in a forum like system. May 01 08:26
schestowitz Yes,  I know May 01 08:30
schestowitz But I’d hardly call it TalkBacks May 01 08:30
schestowitz It’s also scarcely used. May 01 08:30
schestowitz I checked to see how they present MJF’s articles in Microsoft Watch May 01 08:30
schestowitz There was some hostility when they named her “Staff Writer” after she had left May 01 08:31
schestowitz But they fixed it May 01 08:31
schestowitz It still has Joe’s mug on top of her articles May 01 08:31
oiaohm Most of the reason it scarcely used is linux watch is very little reason to hate. May 01 08:31
oiaohm When Linux watch author made insults without base the talk back went nuts. May 01 08:31
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twitter http://www.google.com/search?h… May 01 08:39
twitter good riddance May 01 08:40
twitter M$ must have cut some of their advertising budget. May 01 08:40
twitter he blames the internet. May 01 08:42
oiaohm More like what it the point of funding a forum that is pointing out all of your faults for everyone to see. May 01 08:42
schestowitz :-) May 01 08:42
schestowitz Well, MSFT’s profits are down over 40% May 01 08:42
schestowitz He knows Microsoft May 01 08:42
oiaohm Yes the responders are to blame. May 01 08:42
schestowitz But the worth is these skills drops into oblivion May 01 08:42
schestowitz I suppose you saw recent wage surveys May 01 08:42
twitter his forum was spin. May 01 08:42
schestowitz MCSE down SHARPLY May 01 08:42
schestowitz Same for Novell Netware May 01 08:42
schestowitz Linux up VERY sharply May 01 08:42
schestowitz Like 25% May 01 08:42
oiaohm answers to his forum were not twitter May 01 08:43
twitter the reason to point out your flaws is to conceal them May 01 08:43
schestowitz twitter: his forum attracted covtroversy May 01 08:43
schestowitz BN was linked in his forums many times May 01 08:43
oiaohm Not really twitter. May 01 08:43
twitter Bruce Byfield mentioned BN a few times as well May 01 08:43
twitter anything that mentions M$ in less than a positive light “attracts controversy” May 01 08:44
twitter M$’s PR army comes storming in with all of their abuse. May 01 08:44
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twitter BN is one of the few sites that does not censor itself. May 01 08:45
twitter eWeek and most other “traditional” news sources are significantly tainted with advertising and other pressure. May 01 08:47
twitter Answers to Wilcox’s spin may have been useful and interesting, but it’s nice to see the bully pulpit go. May 01 08:48
twitter It will be nice, one day, to read news without so much M$ control.  W32 viruses will be described as Windows problems, not “computer problems” for example. May 01 08:49
twitter People who write about free software will be actual free software users. May 01 08:50
schestowitz Microsoft: Red Hat Should be Happy to Take Microsoft Patents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05… > May 01 08:51
twitter was looking, twitter needs sleep May 01 08:54
twitter gn May 01 08:54
schestowitz BN acts a bit dogy this morning May 01 08:54
schestowitz *dodgy May 01 08:54
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schestowitz “Server Load  5.15 (4 cpus)” May 01 09:03
schestowitz The site is very unreliable this morning :-( May 01 09:03
schestowitz Memory used 73%. Maybe there’s a leak May 01 09:04
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content… Bad news for cellphone vendors: sales in record decline May 01 09:08
schestowitz Troll: Can Twitter survive? http://www.itwire.com/cont… May 01 09:09
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schestowitz Gordon Brown says the “D” word (depression): http://www.youtube.com/wa… May 01 09:20
schestowitz Iceland vs Mr. Brown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… May 01 09:23
_boo_ may be it cached everything on the site :) so memory is full May 01 09:23
schestowitz Nope, it’s usually OK May 01 09:25
schestowitz We’ll see what happens May 01 09:25
oiaohm Does that explain why cell phone vendors are looking at netbooks. May 01 09:25
schestowitz Iceland borrows from Russia now … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajw1… May 01 09:27
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p… May 01 09:31
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schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/… Newspaper Association Going Online Only May 01 10:25
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/top… “…f The Pirate Bay changed its name to PleaseDontDownloadCopyrightedMovies.com and continued to operate it would be okay?” May 01 10:28
schestowitz Newspapers Best Opportunity Is Online http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… May 01 10:29
schestowitz Microsoft Watch is likely dead now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… May 01 10:39
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schestowitz Apple color patents http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… Apple moves to patent mobile color May 01 10:47
schestowitz US torture points to Rice (2002): Rice gave early approval for CIA waterboarding, Senate report reveals < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009… > May 01 10:49
schestowitz Analysis of CIA Torture Memo < http://www.fff.org/comment/c… >. If human liberties are suppressed, they rarely return. May 01 10:51
schestowitz Spain’s judge Garzón wants Bush investigated now. May 01 10:53
trmanco Twitter confirms security breach : http://www.h-online.com/security… May 01 10:53
schestowitz Heh. May 01 10:54
schestowitz Cars are getting “kill switches”, just like Windows. Pay up or your car engine will stop < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayo… > May 01 10:55
schestowitz More corruption in the government has lobbyists to blame: Lawmaker Is Said to Have Agreed to Aid Lobbyists  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21… > May 01 10:55
trmanco http://marketshare.hitslink.com/opera… May 01 10:57
trmanco the Ubuntu effect? May 01 10:57
trmanco Linux Breaks 1% on the Client May 01 10:57
trmanco this doesn’t represent all the linux share, but it does represent that linux is growing May 01 10:58
schestowitz New book worth attention: “The Myth of the Free Market” < http://www.kpbooks.com/books/Boo… > May 01 10:59
schestowitz trmanco: don’t feed it though May 01 10:59
trmanco don’t worry I won’t May 01 10:59
schestowitz BN in the past 6 hours: May 01 11:00
schestowitz Linux1825654.4 % May 01 11:00
schestowitz Windows1118733.3 % May 01 11:00
trmanco I was just saying that even thought it isn’t accurate it does tell us something May 01 11:00
schestowitz Maybe MS should pay Net Applications some more May 01 11:01
schestowitz y’know, get some more ‘consulting’ contracts May 01 11:01
schestowitz Then lend them some more ‘data’ for the survey, whose data is kept secret. Add live.com,  hotmail.com, US Librrary of Congress (Silver Lie) May 01 11:02
trmanco yeah, maybe May 01 11:03
schestowitz Third case of police attack in G20 is found. “Third allegation of police brutality at G20 investigated” < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c… > May 01 11:03
trmanco but it doesn’t have the budget for it right now May 01 11:03
schestowitz Bolivia: water people of Andes face extinction <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr… > May 01 11:03
schestowitz Global warming killing people, but indirectly for the most part May 01 11:04
schestowitz RMS says: “The US should start nationalizing banks rather than just giving them cash.” (context: GM http://www.guardian.co.uk/business… ) May 01 11:05
schestowitz Anyone can be jailed when evidence is planted by crime investigators. Omaha CSI Director Accused of Planting Evidence < http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7413793 > May 01 11:06
schestowitz *LOL* Creativity pays off when attempting to send a message to the press: Climate protesters glue themselves around Parliament statue < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/… > May 01 11:08
schestowitz The Economist… on the.. economy < http://www.economist.com/printeditio… > “A glimmer of hope?” May 01 11:09
trmanco Mandriva 2009 Spring Kicks Vista7 back to /dev/null: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2… May 01 11:09
trmanco hehe, nice title May 01 11:10
schestowitz Rice worked for Chevron (think oil) before politics. She has a massive oil tanker named after her. May 01 11:11
schestowitz trmanco: yes, that’s what *I* said. May 01 11:12
schestowitz Vista7 Kicks Mandriva 2009 Spring  back to /~progra~1 and c:\>deltree May 01 11:13
schestowitz Foe those who can’t wait for Vista7, there is already something better. May 01 11:14
schestowitz Does Windows still put temp files in c:\windows/temp or does it have user profiles for each (some opaque and long path)? May 01 11:15
schestowitz Fashion Designers Hope That Michelle Obama Gets Them Copyright On Clothing Design < http://techdirt.com/articles/200… >. I’m growing tired of the Obamas. May 01 11:17
trmanco http://www.e-financas.gov.pt May 01 11:17
trmanco oops May 01 11:18
trmanco wrong window May 01 11:18
schestowitz I think that at the end of this year I’ll try kde 4.2.2 on Mandriva 2009 Spring. I hear it’s good. Marti has just tried it too; Rasker too. May 01 11:19
trmanco yeah, I’ve read that May 01 11:20
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/article… (Newspaper Association Kills Off Print Magazine — Goes Online Only) May 01 11:23
schestowitz How’s OpenMania doing? Google helps the marginalization of ‘big papers’ — not offering them favouritism May 01 11:24
schestowitz Big paper complained to Google. They think they deserve to be elevated based on the merit of… well, being /formerly/ big May 01 11:24
schestowitz The matter of fact is that largely cited receive precedence, not the publication’s name May 01 11:25
schestowitz *LOL* “7. Control Panel Is a Mess. Look at this crap. No really, just look at it.” http://gizmodo.com/5150284/7-th… May 01 11:29
_boo_ trmanco, why do you say that it’s only 1% that linux breaks on the client? May 01 11:30
trmanco I didn’t say that May 01 11:30
schestowitz Oops. Typo in this image: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co… May 01 11:30
schestowitz trmanco, _boo_ 1% of WHAT? May 01 11:31
_boo_ <trmanco> Linux Breaks 1% on the Client May 01 11:31
trmanco _boo_, that was the title May 01 11:31
_boo_ of os share May 01 11:31
trmanco check the link May 01 11:31
_boo_ aa May 01 11:31
schestowitz What is measured? Where is it gauged? Who pays the bill for this? (hint: Apple and Microsoft) May 01 11:31
trmanco :-P May 01 11:31
_boo_ may be it’s only sales May 01 11:31
_boo_ http://www.w3schools.com/brow… May 01 11:32
schestowitz Don’t tell Microsoft about this (they might bribe them): AMTRON delivers 28,000 Ubuntu-based PCs to students in Assam < http://www.linuxreaders.com/2009/04/27… > May 01 11:32
schestowitz flamefest: http://afreshcup.com/2009/04/2… May 01 11:37
_boo_ strange… at some months ff share jumps by +1%, some months only 0.1% May 01 11:37
_boo_ lol http://www.surveyware.com/report.aspx?qpri… May 01 11:40
oiaohm Not really. May 01 11:47
oiaohm Look at when firefox releases are _boo_ May 01 11:48
oiaohm Its advertising linked. May 01 11:48
_boo_ it should be advertised better May 01 11:49
schestowitz Microsoft is teaching kids in Spain how to smoke Windows? http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online… May 01 11:49
_boo_ so it gets much better share May 01 11:49
_boo_ spain is wasted May 01 11:50
oiaohm “Then there was the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches.”  << I like this one.  I should put it on a test with a question how deep is the stream. May 01 11:50
_boo_ lol, average depth May 01 11:51
_boo_ it means nothing at all May 01 11:51
_boo_ same as average salary over the town/country May 01 11:51
oiaohm I can bet some will answer 6 inches May 01 11:52
oiaohm Then dispute when they are marked wrong. May 01 11:52
_boo_ like there’s a hole of 1×1 meter wide May 01 11:52
_boo_ and 10 meters in depth May 01 11:52
_boo_ and all the other area is 1inch in depth May 01 11:53
_boo_ and he just forgot to inhale May 01 11:53
oiaohm No he made the mistake of breathing in under water. May 01 11:53
_boo_ while talking to a floating hedgehog May 01 11:53
_boo_ that’s what hedgehog told him to do May 01 11:55
oiaohm MS is slowly teaching everyone that there software is worth nothing. May 01 11:57
oiaohm Boy is boycott novell being picked up in lots of places schestowitz May 01 11:58
oiaohm At the number of links you are getting your traffic needs might start matching slashdot. May 01 11:58
schestowitz One of the first comparative benchmarks of btrfs: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a… what will Oracle do w/ zfs? May 01 12:00
schestowitz We has 11000 pageviews in 0-5am today May 01 12:00
schestowitz But not many comments May 01 12:00
oiaohm That is about right. May 01 12:01
schestowitz Vast majority of people use /feed/ May 01 12:01
schestowitz Which is full feed with text, images grabbed over http from clients May 01 12:01
oiaohm over 99.9 percent of people who visit sties will not comment. May 01 12:01
schestowitz Something like that May 01 12:01
oiaohm Once you have the mass market. May 01 12:02
schestowitz One in 100-1000 depending on how inflammatory the site is (or wrong) May 01 12:02
schestowitz Let’s try a post titled “Linux has failed on the desktop” May 01 12:02
schestowitz Or “I’m quiting this site” May 01 12:02
oiaohm That is how to get roasted. May 01 12:02
oiaohm quiting brings out a lot more. May 01 12:02
schestowitz See TechCrunch May 01 12:02
schestowitz Like a million readers, no many comments. May 01 12:03
oiaohm Or Linux watch. May 01 12:03
oiaohm More correct the documents less comments. May 01 12:03
schestowitz http://www.techcrunch.com/ May 01 12:03
schestowitz 9 Comments… 28 Comments… May 01 12:04
oiaohm Human nature pick on the mistake disgard the person doing good. May 01 12:04
oiaohm News is a great example of this. May 01 12:04
schestowitz Netcraft rank of Techncrunch: 1200th May 01 12:04
oiaohm How much news is good news. May 01 12:04
schestowitz Groklaw is about 1500th May 01 12:04
schestowitz BN is 2000th May 01 12:04
oiaohm Hmm where was microsoft watch. May 01 12:04
schestowitz Let’s check. May 01 12:05
schestowitz 21500th May 01 12:05
schestowitz Front page is PR6 May 01 12:05
schestowitz Was PR7 when Mary Jo Foley left, IIRC May 01 12:05
schestowitz He just attracts the Linux folks who comment because he’s promoting the MS line May 01 12:06
schestowitz He has Microsoft fans reading him too, qietly. May 01 12:06
oiaohm You will notice that Linux supporting and valid news has been moving up. May 01 12:07
oiaohm Shills are losing market.   Lie is only effective if you are not being proven wrong. May 01 12:07
schestowitz You mean, Trust May 01 12:09
schestowitz Groklaw became huge because of  that May 01 12:09
schestowitz Last month top page: /feed/115737 views May 01 12:10
schestowitz /feed/atom/14143 May 01 12:10
schestowitz /feed/rss/3018 May 01 12:10
oiaohm Exactly shills work while they are trusted. May 01 12:10
schestowitz /comments/feed/1260 May 01 12:10
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oiaohm Once shills are being questioned too much there power vaporises with there trust. May 01 12:11
schestowitz oiaohm: look at the Gralla shills May 01 12:11
schestowitz The idea is to establish trust with a post and then whip May 01 12:11
schestowitz Lots in IDG is like that May 01 12:11
schestowitz Bad cop, good cops tactics May 01 12:11
schestowitz One writer says “Linux is dead” May 01 12:11
schestowitz Then comes writer #2 to say “Linux is not dead” May 01 12:12
oiaohm Its a death spiral. May 01 12:12
schestowitz So both camps are ‘happy’ May 01 12:12
schestowitz And traffic balloons May 01 12:12
oiaohm Just IDG has not worked it out yet. May 01 12:12
schestowitz Another option is to have writer #1 say “I was wrong” May 01 12:12
schestowitz Dvorak explained this May 01 12:12
schestowitz Let me find the video May 01 12:12
oiaohm It works to a point schestowitz May 01 12:12
schestowitz oiaohm: no IDG fires massively too May 01 12:12
schestowitz Some FOSS writers had to go first May 01 12:12
schestowitz They mailed me May 01 12:13
oiaohm While there are facts to back one side it works. May 01 12:13
oiaohm Opps both sides. May 01 12:13
schestowitz John C. Dvorak’s Trolling Techniques < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… > May 01 12:13
schestowitz Watch it. May 01 12:13
oiaohm Once it becomes one side. May 01 12:13
schestowitz Then tell me what you think May 01 12:13
oiaohm As it happening to MS now. May 01 12:13
oiaohm Shill find themselves against a wall. May 01 12:13
oiaohm Name 1 good feature of windows 7 schestowitz. May 01 12:14
oiaohm Basically Tolling requires at least something. May 01 12:14
schestowitz Gutter Press 101 May 01 12:15
oiaohm Gutter Press only works for so long. May 01 12:15
schestowitz I don’t know Vista7 May 01 12:15
schestowitz I know it has nice wallpapers May 01 12:15
schestowitz The rest looks like Vista to me May 01 12:15
oiaohm Shills have not been able to find any. May 01 12:15
oiaohm They have gone as far as to complain about it. May 01 12:15
schestowitz You can see it in Enderle E-mails May 01 12:15
schestowitz Did you watch JohnD? May 01 12:16
schestowitz I worry he’s experimenting with Linux just for traffic May 01 12:16
schestowitz He mailed me back saying he’d write more about Linux May 01 12:16
schestowitz I bet he’ll do his usual routine, so be ready May 01 12:16
oiaohm I have watched JohnD Trolling before. May 01 12:16
schestowitz He was never a fan of GNU/Linux May 01 12:16
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schestowitz oiaohm: yes, but watch him admit ti May 01 12:16
schestowitz *it May 01 12:16
schestowitz He exposed himself, which makes this video valuable May 01 12:17
schestowitz So next time (and I predict he’ll troll Linux), redirect people to this video May 01 12:17
schestowitz Where he talks about faking deficiency May 01 12:17
schestowitz Be ready for one of May 01 12:17
schestowitz 1) too many Linuxes May 01 12:17
schestowitz 2) doesn’t work with my hardware (they’ll find some archaic gadget) May 01 12:18
schestowitz 3) my ISP didn’t offer help May 01 12:18
schestowitz 4) my college doesn’t support Linux May 01 12:18
schestowitz Etc etc. May 01 12:18
schestowitz What OS will this run, I wonder.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te… May 01 12:19
oiaohm Problem here to works as long as your trust does not end up destoryed by it. May 01 12:19
oiaohm Each one of those troll slowly does damage it. May 01 12:19
oiaohm What is going on how is people like you schestowitz are constant  same with groklaw and other groups.   Slowly the traffic is getting sucked away. May 01 12:21
schestowitz Now the UK, like the US, realises that zombie-happy software is no good for the country.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… May 01 12:21
oiaohm Effect the baiting people never predicted. May 01 12:21
schestowitz Despain May 01 12:22
schestowitz Was there baiting in magazines too? May 01 12:22
schestowitz Probably not to the same extent May 01 12:22
schestowitz The notion of linking hardly existed back then May 01 12:22
oiaohm Yes there was schestowitz May 01 12:22
oiaohm The baiting idea is nothing new. May 01 12:23
schestowitz Readership volume define by # of subscribers May 01 12:23
oiaohm It was magazines that started the polar at either end of spec in the one item so they got the most buyers. May 01 12:24
schestowitz But could they flip-flop? May 01 12:24
schestowitz I mean, could they try to appeal to both spectrums? May 01 12:25
oiaohm Flip-flop was the editors colum job. May 01 12:25
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