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DaemonFCas I was about to sayMay 01 00:02
DaemonFCthe SP2 update is about 92 megs if you already have all the hostfixes that came after SP1May 01 00:03
DaemonFCbut 750 megs if you get the standalone installerMay 01 00:03
DaemonFCbecause that can't know what you haveMay 01 00:03
DaemonFC*hotfixesMay 01 00:03
DaemonFCand unfortunately SP1 has a tick that freezes my system whenever it feels like itMay 01 00:04
DaemonFCand SP2 doesn't do thatMay 01 00:04
DaemonFC:PMay 01 00:04
DaemonFCI really have no idea why it's doing thatMay 01 00:04
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schestowitzLook at the code :-pMay 01 00:17
schestowitzGo to bugzilla.NETMay 01 00:17
BalrogDaemonFC: Apple's latest update will be like 600 MBMay 01 00:25
Balrogschestowitz: Hospitals affected by ConfickerMay 01 00:25
Balrog<http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl...May 01 00:26
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schestowitzis harish pillay with red hat?May 01 00:29
schestowitzBalrog: what again?May 01 00:29
schestowitz:-)May 01 00:29
schestowitzI have like 5 incidents alreadyMay 01 00:29
schestowitzOh, I got ths one alreadyMay 01 00:30
schestowitz2-3 days agoMay 01 00:30
BalrogpOK.May 01 00:37
BalrogOK *May 01 00:37
Balrogthis is getting out of handMay 01 00:37
Balrog:(May 01 00:37
schestowitzThe virus?May 01 00:41
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schestowitzOr BN? :-)May 01 00:41
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schestowitzWell, Microsoft too is getting out of (its own) hand.May 01 00:42
Balrogno, Microsoft, and the virusMay 01 00:47
BalrogApple filed for a non-software patent: <http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/30/apple-...>May 01 00:48
schestowitzIs that something to be proud of?May 01 00:49
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schestowitzMicrosoft turns software to politics: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...May 01 01:04
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schestowitzgnMay 01 01:48
DaemonFChmmmMay 01 01:50
DaemonFCyou can jsut sign up for a new 2 week XM trial when your old one expiresMay 01 01:50
DaemonFClolMay 01 01:50
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twitterI read this article, http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/ubuntu-n... but don't seem to be able to duplicate the result.May 01 06:42
twitterhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%...May 01 06:42
twitterI see what happened.  they used "windows vista" instead of "vista" as a search term.May 01 06:48
twitterhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2...May 01 06:48
twittershows a more complete picture.May 01 06:48
twitteroverall interest in Windows has declined greatly but it's a generic termMay 01 06:49
twitteryou can compare another generic term, "apple" to all of this http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubunt...May 01 06:50
twitterit is interesting that a word like ubuntu could compete with something like "apple" which is also a fruit and a music label.May 01 06:51
twitterbigger than JesusMay 01 06:51
twitterhmmmMay 01 06:51
twitterhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ub...May 01 06:52
twitterjesus is not doing so wellMay 01 06:52
twitterhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=u...May 01 06:53
twitterthere, that's betterMay 01 06:53
twitterGNU/Linux is almost as big as God/Church http://www.google.com/trends?q=...May 01 06:54
twitterstill, nothing can compare to the massive M$ spam machine.May 01 06:55
twitterno one loves OSXMay 01 06:56
twitterhttp://www.google.com/trends...May 01 06:56
twitterhmmm, even a combination of common fears and morbidity is unable to dethrone Windows, http://www.google.com/trends?q=u...May 01 07:00
twitterit is truly amazing that more people search for "windows" than war, murder, shark, kill, torture, flu and terror combined.May 01 07:01
twitterah, Windows meets it's match with "sex" http://www.google.com/trends?q=...May 01 07:02
twitterawesome porn is right up there with the other spam http://www.google.com/trends?q=ub...May 01 07:03
twitterConclusion:  the popularity of "Windows" must be due to spam.May 01 07:04
twitterTopics such as "terror" which have been thrust into the public imagination non stop by a full press in all media is unable to hold a candle to it.May 01 07:05
twitterGoogle is obviously the target of tremendous spam.May 01 07:06
twitterI find it difficult to believe that more people would actually search for Windows than religion or porn, even for a sort time.May 01 07:06
twitterfinally, when you look at the most generic terms possible, you get this http://www.google.com/trends?q=u...May 01 07:14
schestowitzHeyMay 01 07:15
schestowitztwitter: yes, I hate Google TrendsMay 01 07:16
schestowitzPeople misuse it a lotMay 01 07:16
twitternot even puppies or kittens can compete with windows http://www.google.com/trends?q=win...May 01 07:17
twitterit is interesting that cars almost can and you can see the news coverage is much much greater for carsMay 01 07:18
twittergirls do almost as well as carsMay 01 07:18
twitterboys don'tMay 01 07:19
twitterEarth has very interesting interest patternsMay 01 07:19
twitteralmost as popular as girlsMay 01 07:20
twitterschool is about as popular as windows, but can't touch sexMay 01 07:21
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twitterSo, good morning to you, Roy.May 01 07:22
twitterit's what, 8AM for you?May 01 07:22
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twitterit's just about midnight here and I have to sleep soon.May 01 07:22
mib_h1o3zzRoy,May 01 07:23
mib_h1o3zzProblems with IE8 deciding that it should be the default browser in install:May 01 07:23
mib_h1o3zzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/164127...May 01 07:23
twitterred is more popular than hot.May 01 07:24
mib_h1o3zzSome people are having problems getting it to give up, and lie down dead. One guy says it tries to take over every time he reboots.May 01 07:24
twitterhmmm, why would you install IE8?  Thanks for the article.May 01 07:24
twitterIt's more of the same from M$.May 01 07:24
mib_h1o3zzI wouldn't, but some poor bastard did. BTW, this is The Mad Hatter, I'm using someone else's computer.May 01 07:25
mib_h1o3zzStill the comments with the story are pretty damned funny. Also pretty damned sad.May 01 07:26
twitterindeedMay 01 07:28
schestowitzI see..May 01 07:28
schestowitztessier: yes, just work upMay 01 07:29
twitteryou missed the google trend fun.  Windows is bigger than god.  bigger than cars, terror, flue, sharks.  bigger than everything but sex.May 01 07:30
mib_h1o3zzAlso check out "RIAA’s Hostile Takeover of the Internet"May 01 07:30
mib_h1o3zzhttp://torrentfreak.com/riaas-...May 01 07:30
twitterongoing, but I'll see what they are up to now.May 01 07:31
twittermore of the sameMay 01 07:33
twitterbasic censorship and tear down of the internetMay 01 07:34
twitterthe only difference is the success they are having.May 01 07:34
twitterthey also aim to stamp out software freedomMay 01 07:34
mib_h1o3zzYep. And they need to be stopped.May 01 07:35
twittertraditional media must die and die faster than it already is.May 01 07:35
twitterignore traditional mediaMay 01 07:36
twitterit's worthless anyway.May 01 07:36
twitterdon't pay for cable TVMay 01 07:36
twitterdon't buy newspapersMay 01 07:36
twitterdon't even watch TV unless you record the shows yourselfMay 01 07:36
twitteras people abandon traditional media, advertisers abandon itMay 01 07:37
schestowitzAgreed, tessier May 01 07:46
schestowitz*twitterMay 01 07:46
schestowitzNewham (UK) Powered by Microsoft, for Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...May 01 07:46
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oiaohmhttp://www.microsoft-watch.com/c...  << Linux Watch is still alive.May 01 08:11
schestowitz:--DDDDDDMay 01 08:16
schestowitzLinux Watch is low volume postingsMay 01 08:19
oiaohmMost of the time there is nothing to flame about.May 01 08:19
oiaohmIn Linux watch.May 01 08:20
schestowitzoiaohm: trueMay 01 08:21
schestowitzNo TalkBacks eitherMay 01 08:21
oiaohmhttp://trafficsqueezer.sourceforge.n...  Hmm another form of compression being developed for Linux.May 01 08:23
schestowitzCool.May 01 08:25
oiaohmLinux watch does have talkbacks.May 01 08:26
oiaohmJust in a forum like system.May 01 08:26
schestowitzYes,  I knowMay 01 08:30
schestowitzBut I'd hardly call it TalkBacksMay 01 08:30
schestowitzIt's also scarcely used.May 01 08:30
schestowitzI checked to see how they present MJF's articles in Microsoft WatchMay 01 08:30
schestowitzThere was some hostility when they named her "Staff Writer" after she had leftMay 01 08:31
schestowitzBut they fixed itMay 01 08:31
schestowitzIt still has Joe's mug on top of her articlesMay 01 08:31
oiaohmMost of the reason it scarcely used is linux watch is very little reason to hate.May 01 08:31
oiaohmWhen Linux watch author made insults without base the talk back went nuts.May 01 08:31
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twitterhttp://www.google.com/search?h...May 01 08:39
twittergood riddanceMay 01 08:40
twitterM$ must have cut some of their advertising budget.May 01 08:40
twitterhe blames the internet.May 01 08:42
oiaohmMore like what it the point of funding a forum that is pointing out all of your faults for everyone to see.May 01 08:42
schestowitz:-)May 01 08:42
schestowitzWell, MSFT's profits are down over 40%May 01 08:42
schestowitzHe knows MicrosoftMay 01 08:42
oiaohmYes the responders are to blame.May 01 08:42
schestowitzBut the worth is these skills drops into oblivionMay 01 08:42
schestowitzI suppose you saw recent wage surveysMay 01 08:42
twitterhis forum was spin.May 01 08:42
schestowitzMCSE down SHARPLYMay 01 08:42
schestowitzSame for Novell NetwareMay 01 08:42
schestowitzLinux up VERY sharplyMay 01 08:42
schestowitzLike 25%May 01 08:42
oiaohmanswers to his forum were not twitterMay 01 08:43
twitterthe reason to point out your flaws is to conceal themMay 01 08:43
schestowitztwitter: his forum attracted covtroversyMay 01 08:43
schestowitzBN was linked in his forums many timesMay 01 08:43
oiaohmNot really twitter.May 01 08:43
twitterBruce Byfield mentioned BN a few times as wellMay 01 08:43
twitteranything that mentions M$ in less than a positive light "attracts controversy"May 01 08:44
twitterM$'s PR army comes storming in with all of their abuse.May 01 08:44
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twitterBN is one of the few sites that does not censor itself.May 01 08:45
twittereWeek and most other "traditional" news sources are significantly tainted with advertising and other pressure.May 01 08:47
twitterAnswers to Wilcox's spin may have been useful and interesting, but it's nice to see the bully pulpit go.May 01 08:48
twitterIt will be nice, one day, to read news without so much M$ control.  W32 viruses will be described as Windows problems, not "computer problems" for example.May 01 08:49
twitterPeople who write about free software will be actual free software users.May 01 08:50
schestowitzMicrosoft: Red Hat Should be Happy to Take Microsoft Patents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05... >May 01 08:51
twitterwas looking, twitter needs sleepMay 01 08:54
twittergnMay 01 08:54
schestowitzBN acts a bit dogy this morningMay 01 08:54
schestowitz*dodgyMay 01 08:54
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schestowitz"Server Load  5.15 (4 cpus)"May 01 09:03
schestowitzThe site is very unreliable this morning :-(May 01 09:03
schestowitzMemory used 73%. Maybe there's a leakMay 01 09:04
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content... Bad news for cellphone vendors: sales in record declineMay 01 09:08
schestowitzTroll: Can Twitter survive? http://www.itwire.com/cont...May 01 09:09
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schestowitzGordon Brown says the "D" word (depression): http://www.youtube.com/wa...May 01 09:20
schestowitzIceland vs Mr. Brown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...May 01 09:23
_boo_may be it cached everything on the site :) so memory is fullMay 01 09:23
schestowitzNope, it's usually OKMay 01 09:25
schestowitzWe'll see what happensMay 01 09:25
oiaohmDoes that explain why cell phone vendors are looking at netbooks.May 01 09:25
schestowitzIceland borrows from Russia now ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajw1...May 01 09:27
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p...May 01 09:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... Newspaper Association Going Online OnlyMay 01 10:25
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/top... "...f The Pirate Bay changed its name to PleaseDontDownloadCopyrightedMovies.com and continued to operate it would be okay?"May 01 10:28
schestowitzNewspapers Best Opportunity Is Online http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20...May 01 10:29
schestowitzMicrosoft Watch is likely dead now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0...May 01 10:39
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schestowitzApple color patents http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... Apple moves to patent mobile colorMay 01 10:47
schestowitzUS torture points to Rice (2002): Rice gave early approval for CIA waterboarding, Senate report reveals < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... >May 01 10:49
schestowitzAnalysis of CIA Torture Memo < http://www.fff.org/comment/c... >. If human liberties are suppressed, they rarely return.May 01 10:51
schestowitzSpain's judge Garzón wants Bush investigated now.May 01 10:53
trmancoTwitter confirms security breach : http://www.h-online.com/security...May 01 10:53
schestowitzHeh.May 01 10:54
schestowitzCars are getting "kill switches", just like Windows. Pay up or your car engine will stop < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayo... >May 01 10:55
schestowitzMore corruption in the government has lobbyists to blame: Lawmaker Is Said to Have Agreed to Aid Lobbyists  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21... >May 01 10:55
trmancohttp://marketshare.hitslink.com/opera...May 01 10:57
trmancothe Ubuntu effect?May 01 10:57
trmancoLinux Breaks 1% on the ClientMay 01 10:57
trmancothis doesn't represent all the linux share, but it does represent that linux is growingMay 01 10:58
schestowitzNew book worth attention: "The Myth of the Free Market" < http://www.kpbooks.com/books/Boo... >May 01 10:59
schestowitztrmanco: don't feed it thoughMay 01 10:59
trmancodon't worry I won'tMay 01 10:59
schestowitzBN in the past 6 hours:May 01 11:00
schestowitzLinux1825654.4 %May 01 11:00
schestowitzWindows1118733.3 %May 01 11:00
trmancoI was just saying that even thought it isn't accurate it does tell us somethingMay 01 11:00
schestowitzMaybe MS should pay Net Applications some moreMay 01 11:01
schestowitzy'know, get some more 'consulting' contractsMay 01 11:01
schestowitzThen lend them some more 'data' for the survey, whose data is kept secret. Add live.com,  hotmail.com, US Librrary of Congress (Silver Lie)May 01 11:02
trmancoyeah, maybeMay 01 11:03
schestowitzThird case of police attack in G20 is found. "Third allegation of police brutality at G20 investigated" < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c... >May 01 11:03
trmancobut it doesn't have the budget for it right nowMay 01 11:03
schestowitzBolivia: water people of Andes face extinction <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr... >May 01 11:03
schestowitzGlobal warming killing people, but indirectly for the most partMay 01 11:04
schestowitzRMS says: "The US should start nationalizing banks rather than just giving them cash." (context: GM http://www.guardian.co.uk/business... )May 01 11:05
schestowitzAnyone can be jailed when evidence is planted by crime investigators. Omaha CSI Director Accused of Planting Evidence < http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7413793 >May 01 11:06
schestowitz*LOL* Creativity pays off when attempting to send a message to the press: Climate protesters glue themselves around Parliament statue < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/... >May 01 11:08
schestowitzThe Economist... on the.. economy < http://www.economist.com/printeditio... > "A glimmer of hope?"May 01 11:09
trmancoMandriva 2009 Spring Kicks Vista7 back to /dev/null: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2...May 01 11:09
trmancohehe, nice titleMay 01 11:10
schestowitzRice worked for Chevron (think oil) before politics. She has a massive oil tanker named after her.May 01 11:11
schestowitztrmanco: yes, that's what *I* said.May 01 11:12
schestowitzVista7 Kicks Mandriva 2009 Spring  back to /~progra~1 and c:\>deltree May 01 11:13
schestowitzFoe those who can't wait for Vista7, there is already something better.May 01 11:14
schestowitzDoes Windows still put temp files in c:\windows/temp or does it have user profiles for each (some opaque and long path)?May 01 11:15
schestowitzFashion Designers Hope That Michelle Obama Gets Them Copyright On Clothing Design < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... >. I'm growing tired of the Obamas.May 01 11:17
trmancohttp://www.e-financas.gov.ptMay 01 11:17
trmancooopsMay 01 11:18
trmancowrong windowMay 01 11:18
schestowitzI think that at the end of this year I'll try kde 4.2.2 on Mandriva 2009 Spring. I hear it's good. Marti has just tried it too; Rasker too.May 01 11:19
trmancoyeah, I've read thatMay 01 11:20
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/article... (Newspaper Association Kills Off Print Magazine -- Goes Online Only)May 01 11:23
schestowitzHow's OpenMania doing? Google helps the marginalization of 'big papers' -- not offering them favouritismMay 01 11:24
schestowitzBig paper complained to Google. They think they deserve to be elevated based on the merit of... well, being /formerly/ bigMay 01 11:24
schestowitzThe matter of fact is that largely cited receive precedence, not the publication's nameMay 01 11:25
schestowitz*LOL* "7. Control Panel Is a Mess. Look at this crap. No really, just look at it." http://gizmodo.com/5150284/7-th...May 01 11:29
_boo_trmanco, why do you say that it's only 1% that linux breaks on the client?May 01 11:30
trmancoI didn't say thatMay 01 11:30
schestowitzOops. Typo in this image: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co...May 01 11:30
schestowitztrmanco, _boo_ 1% of WHAT?May 01 11:31
_boo_<trmanco> Linux Breaks 1% on the ClientMay 01 11:31
trmanco_boo_, that was the titleMay 01 11:31
_boo_of os shareMay 01 11:31
trmancocheck the linkMay 01 11:31
_boo_aaMay 01 11:31
schestowitzWhat is measured? Where is it gauged? Who pays the bill for this? (hint: Apple and Microsoft)May 01 11:31
trmanco:-PMay 01 11:31
_boo_may be it's only salesMay 01 11:31
_boo_http://www.w3schools.com/brow...May 01 11:32
schestowitzDon't tell Microsoft about this (they might bribe them): AMTRON delivers 28,000 Ubuntu-based PCs to students in Assam < http://www.linuxreaders.com/2009/04/27... >May 01 11:32
schestowitzflamefest: http://afreshcup.com/2009/04/2...May 01 11:37
_boo_strange... at some months ff share jumps by +1%, some months only 0.1%May 01 11:37
_boo_lol http://www.surveyware.com/report.aspx?qpri...May 01 11:40
oiaohmNot really.May 01 11:47
oiaohmLook at when firefox releases are _boo_May 01 11:48
oiaohmIts advertising linked.May 01 11:48
_boo_it should be advertised betterMay 01 11:49
schestowitzMicrosoft is teaching kids in Spain how to smoke Windows? http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online...May 01 11:49
_boo_so it gets much better shareMay 01 11:49
_boo_spain is wastedMay 01 11:50
oiaohm"Then there was the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches."  << I like this one.  I should put it on a test with a question how deep is the stream.May 01 11:50
_boo_lol, average depthMay 01 11:51
_boo_it means nothing at allMay 01 11:51
_boo_same as average salary over the town/countryMay 01 11:51
oiaohmI can bet some will answer 6 inchesMay 01 11:52
oiaohmThen dispute when they are marked wrong.May 01 11:52
_boo_like there's a hole of 1x1 meter wideMay 01 11:52
_boo_and 10 meters in depthMay 01 11:52
_boo_and all the other area is 1inch in depthMay 01 11:53
_boo_and he just forgot to inhaleMay 01 11:53
oiaohmNo he made the mistake of breathing in under water.May 01 11:53
_boo_while talking to a floating hedgehogMay 01 11:53
_boo_that's what hedgehog told him to doMay 01 11:55
oiaohmMS is slowly teaching everyone that there software is worth nothing.May 01 11:57
oiaohmBoy is boycott novell being picked up in lots of places schestowitzMay 01 11:58
oiaohmAt the number of links you are getting your traffic needs might start matching slashdot.May 01 11:58
schestowitzOne of the first comparative benchmarks of btrfs: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a... what will Oracle do w/ zfs?May 01 12:00
schestowitzWe has 11000 pageviews in 0-5am todayMay 01 12:00
schestowitzBut not many commentsMay 01 12:00
oiaohmThat is about right.May 01 12:01
schestowitzVast majority of people use /feed/May 01 12:01
schestowitzWhich is full feed with text, images grabbed over http from clientsMay 01 12:01
oiaohmover 99.9 percent of people who visit sties will not comment.May 01 12:01
schestowitzSomething like thatMay 01 12:01
oiaohmOnce you have the mass market.May 01 12:02
schestowitzOne in 100-1000 depending on how inflammatory the site is (or wrong)May 01 12:02
schestowitzLet's try a post titled "Linux has failed on the desktop"May 01 12:02
schestowitzOr "I'm quiting this site"May 01 12:02
oiaohmThat is how to get roasted.May 01 12:02
oiaohmquiting brings out a lot more.May 01 12:02
schestowitzSee TechCrunchMay 01 12:02
schestowitzLike a million readers, no many comments.May 01 12:03
oiaohmOr Linux watch.May 01 12:03
oiaohmMore correct the documents less comments.May 01 12:03
schestowitzhttp://www.techcrunch.com/May 01 12:03
schestowitz9 Comments... 28 Comments...May 01 12:04
oiaohmHuman nature pick on the mistake disgard the person doing good.May 01 12:04
oiaohmNews is a great example of this.May 01 12:04
schestowitzNetcraft rank of Techncrunch: 1200thMay 01 12:04
oiaohmHow much news is good news.May 01 12:04
schestowitzGroklaw is about 1500thMay 01 12:04
schestowitzBN is 2000thMay 01 12:04
oiaohmHmm where was microsoft watch.May 01 12:04
schestowitzLet's check.May 01 12:05
schestowitz21500thMay 01 12:05
schestowitzFront page is PR6May 01 12:05
schestowitzWas PR7 when Mary Jo Foley left, IIRCMay 01 12:05
schestowitzHe just attracts the Linux folks who comment because he's promoting the MS lineMay 01 12:06
schestowitzHe has Microsoft fans reading him too, qietly.May 01 12:06
oiaohmYou will notice that Linux supporting and valid news has been moving up.May 01 12:07
oiaohmShills are losing market.   Lie is only effective if you are not being proven wrong.May 01 12:07
schestowitzYou mean, TrustMay 01 12:09
schestowitzGroklaw became huge because of  thatMay 01 12:09
schestowitzLast month top page: /feed/115737 viewsMay 01 12:10
schestowitz /feed/atom/14143May 01 12:10
schestowitz /feed/rss/3018May 01 12:10
oiaohmExactly shills work while they are trusted.May 01 12:10
schestowitz /comments/feed/1260May 01 12:10
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oiaohmOnce shills are being questioned too much there power vaporises with there trust.May 01 12:11
schestowitzoiaohm: look at the Gralla shillsMay 01 12:11
schestowitzThe idea is to establish trust with a post and then whipMay 01 12:11
schestowitzLots in IDG is like thatMay 01 12:11
schestowitzBad cop, good cops tacticsMay 01 12:11
schestowitzOne writer says "Linux is dead"May 01 12:11
schestowitzThen comes writer #2 to say "Linux is not dead"May 01 12:12
oiaohmIts a death spiral.May 01 12:12
schestowitzSo both camps are 'happy'May 01 12:12
schestowitzAnd traffic balloonsMay 01 12:12
oiaohmJust IDG has not worked it out yet.May 01 12:12
schestowitzAnother option is to have writer #1 say "I was wrong"May 01 12:12
schestowitzDvorak explained thisMay 01 12:12
schestowitzLet me find the videoMay 01 12:12
oiaohmIt works to a point schestowitzMay 01 12:12
schestowitzoiaohm: no IDG fires massively tooMay 01 12:12
schestowitzSome FOSS writers had to go firstMay 01 12:12
schestowitzThey mailed meMay 01 12:13
oiaohmWhile there are facts to back one side it works.May 01 12:13
oiaohmOpps both sides.May 01 12:13
schestowitzJohn C. Dvorak's Trolling Techniques < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... >May 01 12:13
schestowitzWatch it.May 01 12:13
oiaohmOnce it becomes one side.May 01 12:13
schestowitzThen tell me what you thinkMay 01 12:13
oiaohmAs it happening to MS now.May 01 12:13
oiaohmShill find themselves against a wall.May 01 12:13
oiaohmName 1 good feature of windows 7 schestowitz.May 01 12:14
oiaohmBasically Tolling requires at least something.May 01 12:14
schestowitzGutter Press 101May 01 12:15
oiaohmGutter Press only works for so long.May 01 12:15
schestowitzI don't know Vista7May 01 12:15
schestowitzI know it has nice wallpapersMay 01 12:15
schestowitzThe rest looks like Vista to meMay 01 12:15
oiaohmShills have not been able to find any.May 01 12:15
oiaohmThey have gone as far as to complain about it.May 01 12:15
schestowitzYou can see it in Enderle E-mailsMay 01 12:15
schestowitzDid you watch JohnD?May 01 12:16
schestowitzI worry he's experimenting with Linux just for trafficMay 01 12:16
schestowitzHe mailed me back saying he'd write more about LinuxMay 01 12:16
schestowitzI bet he'll do his usual routine, so be readyMay 01 12:16
oiaohmI have watched JohnD Trolling before.May 01 12:16
schestowitzHe was never a fan of GNU/LinuxMay 01 12:16
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, but watch him admit tiMay 01 12:16
schestowitz*itMay 01 12:16
schestowitzHe exposed himself, which makes this video valuableMay 01 12:17
schestowitzSo next time (and I predict he'll troll Linux), redirect people to this videoMay 01 12:17
schestowitzWhere he talks about faking deficiencyMay 01 12:17
schestowitzBe ready for one ofMay 01 12:17
schestowitz1) too many LinuxesMay 01 12:17
schestowitz2) doesn't work with my hardware (they'll find some archaic gadget)May 01 12:18
schestowitz3) my ISP didn't offer helpMay 01 12:18
schestowitz4) my college doesn't support LinuxMay 01 12:18
schestowitzEtc etc.May 01 12:18
schestowitzWhat OS will this run, I wonder.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te...May 01 12:19
oiaohmProblem here to works as long as your trust does not end up destoryed by it.May 01 12:19
oiaohmEach one of those troll slowly does damage it.May 01 12:19
oiaohmWhat is going on how is people like you schestowitz are constant  same with groklaw and other groups.   Slowly the traffic is getting sucked away.May 01 12:21
schestowitzNow the UK, like the US, realises that zombie-happy software is no good for the country.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...May 01 12:21
oiaohmEffect the baiting people never predicted.May 01 12:21
schestowitzDespainMay 01 12:22
schestowitzWas there baiting in magazines too?May 01 12:22
schestowitzProbably not to the same extentMay 01 12:22
schestowitzThe notion of linking hardly existed back thenMay 01 12:22
oiaohmYes there was schestowitzMay 01 12:22
oiaohmThe baiting idea is nothing new.May 01 12:23
schestowitzReadership volume define by # of subscribersMay 01 12:23
oiaohmIt was magazines that started the polar at either end of spec in the one item so they got the most buyers.May 01 12:24
schestowitzBut could they flip-flop?May 01 12:24
schestowitzI mean, could they try to appeal to both spectrums?May 01 12:25
oiaohmFlip-flop was the editors colum job.May 01 12:25


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