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In Fedora, Tomboy and Banshee Depend on Winforms

Banshee
Siouxsie and the Banshees



Summary: Banshee brings Winforms with it after all (not part of ECMA reference)

ONE of our contributors mailed us regarding this post where we were vilified for suggesting that Banshee needed Winforms. Well, our contributor says that "it's true that Ubuntu's implementation of Banshee does not depend on Winforms, but on Fedora 11 it does. So does Tomboy. At least, when I try and install tomboy or banshee, they both want to pull in winforms.



"Whether it is actually needed by either application I'm not sure, but even though Red Hat is shipping Fedora 11 without Tomboy installing it will pull in Windows forms by default when users install it. Whether this is actually a problem or not, I can't say."

Those examples we were given (as above) can be proven as follows.

For Bashee:




Loaded plugins: downloadonly, refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package banshee.i586 0:1.4.3-3.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(gdk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(notify-sharp) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus.GLib) = 1.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Cairo) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Setup) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Boo.Lang.Compiler) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(mscorlib) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Gui) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(pango-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(MusicBrainz) = 1.4.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Data.SqliteClient) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Xml) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(glib-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(System) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Web) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins) = 0.4.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Posix) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(gtk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib) = 2.84.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Data) = 2.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(glade-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Zeroconf) = 2.0.0.76 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus) = 1.0.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: banshee-musicbrainz = 1.4.3-3.fc11 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono(taglib-sharp) = 2.0.3.2 for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: podsleuth for package: banshee --> Processing Dependency: mono-addins for package: banshee --> Running transaction check ---> Package banshee-musicbrainz.i586 0:1.4.3-3.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package boo.i586 0:0.8.1.2865-6.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(NAnt.DotNetTasks) = 0.85.2478.0 for package: boo --> Processing Dependency: mono(NAnt.Core) = 0.85.2478.0 for package: boo ---> Package gnome-sharp.i586 0:2.24.0-3.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package gtk-sharp2.i586 0:2.12.7-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-addins.i586 0:0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-core.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(monodoc) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-core --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Configuration.Install) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-core ---> Package mono-data.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-data-sqlite.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-web.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Design) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-web ---> Package mono-zeroconf.i586 0:0.7.6-8.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(avahi-sharp) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-zeroconf ---> Package ndesk-dbus.i586 0:0.6.1a-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package ndesk-dbus-glib.i586 0:0.4.1-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package notify-sharp.i586 0:0.4.0-0.6.20080912svn.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package podsleuth.i586 0:0.6.3-2.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package taglib-sharp.i586 0:2.0.3.2-2.fc11 set to be updated --> Running transaction check ---> Package avahi-sharp.i586 0:0.6.25-1.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-extras.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-winforms.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package monodoc.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package nant.i586 1:0.85-27.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(nunit.util) = 2.2.10.0 for package: nant --> Processing Dependency: mono(ICSharpCode.SharpCvsLib) = 0.35.3721.507 for package: nant --> Processing Dependency: mono(nunit.core) = 2.2.10.0 for package: nant --> Processing Dependency: mono(log4net) = 1.2.10.0 for package: nant --> Processing Dependency: mono(NDoc.Core) = 1.3.3344.0 for package: nant --> Running transaction check ---> Package log4net.i586 0:1.2.10-5.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-ndoc.i586 0:1.3.1-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-nunit22.i586 1:2.2.10-9.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-sharpcvslib.i586 0:0.35-9.fc11 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Installing: banshee i586 1.4.3-3.fc11 fedora 3.0 M Installing for dependencies: avahi-sharp i586 0.6.25-1.fc11 fedora 35 k banshee-musicbrainz i586 1.4.3-3.fc11 fedora 40 k boo i586 0.8.1.2865-6.fc11 fedora 810 k gnome-sharp i586 2.24.0-3.fc11 fedora 327 k gtk-sharp2 i586 2.12.7-4.fc11 fedora 819 k log4net i586 1.2.10-5.fc11 fedora 96 k mono-addins i586 0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 fedora 484 k mono-core i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 12 M mono-data i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 1.5 M mono-data-sqlite i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 158 k mono-extras i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 1.5 M mono-ndoc i586 1.3.1-4.fc11 fedora 304 k mono-nunit22 i586 1:2.2.10-9.fc11 fedora 148 k mono-sharpcvslib i586 0.35-9.fc11 fedora 502 k mono-web i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 3.1 M mono-winforms i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 3.0 M mono-zeroconf i586 0.7.6-8.fc11 fedora 60 k monodoc i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 7.3 M nant i586 1:0.85-27.fc11 fedora 637 k ndesk-dbus i586 0.6.1a-4.fc11 fedora 52 k ndesk-dbus-glib i586 0.4.1-4.fc11 fedora 11 k notify-sharp i586 0.4.0-0.6.20080912svn.fc11 fedora 14 k podsleuth i586 0.6.3-2.fc11 fedora 48 k taglib-sharp i586 2.0.3.2-2.fc11 fedora 188 k

Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Install 25 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s)

Total download size: 36 M Is this ok [y/N]: Exiting on user Command Complete!



For Tomboy:




Loaded plugins: downloadonly, refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package tomboy.i586 0:0.14.1-2.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(gdk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(mscorlib) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Posix) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(gtk-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Gui) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus) = 1.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(pango-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(NDesk.DBus.GLib) = 1.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Xml) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Cairo) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(gconf-sharp-peditors) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(glib-sharp) = 2.12.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Addins.Setup) = 0.4.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(System) = 2.0.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Processing Dependency: mono(gnome-panel-sharp) = 2.24.0.0 for package: tomboy --> Running transaction check ---> Package gnome-desktop-sharp.i586 0:2.26.0-1.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package gnome-sharp.i586 0:2.24.0-3.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package gtk-sharp2.i586 0:2.12.7-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-addins.i586 0:0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-core.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Web) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-core --> Processing Dependency: mono(monodoc) = 1.0.0.0 for package: mono-core --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Configuration.Install) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-core ---> Package ndesk-dbus.i586 0:0.6.1a-4.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package ndesk-dbus-glib.i586 0:0.4.1-4.fc11 set to be updated --> Running transaction check ---> Package mono-extras.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Windows.Forms) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-extras --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Transactions) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-extras --> Processing Dependency: mono(System.Windows.Forms) = 1.0.5000.0 for package: mono-extras ---> Package mono-web.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: mono(Mono.Data.Sqlite) = 2.0.0.0 for package: mono-web ---> Package monodoc.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Running transaction check ---> Package mono-data.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-data-sqlite.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated ---> Package mono-winforms.i586 0:2.4-19.fc11 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Installing: tomboy i586 0.14.1-2.fc11 fedora 4.6 M Installing for dependencies: gnome-desktop-sharp i586 2.26.0-1.fc11 fedora 211 k gnome-sharp i586 2.24.0-3.fc11 fedora 327 k gtk-sharp2 i586 2.12.7-4.fc11 fedora 819 k mono-addins i586 0.4-6.20091702svn127062.1.fc11 fedora 484 k mono-core i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 12 M mono-data i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 1.5 M mono-data-sqlite i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 158 k mono-extras i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 1.5 M mono-web i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 3.1 M mono-winforms i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 3.0 M monodoc i586 2.4-19.fc11 fedora 7.3 M ndesk-dbus i586 0.6.1a-4.fc11 fedora 52 k ndesk-dbus-glib i586 0.4.1-4.fc11 fedora 11 k

Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Install 14 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s)

Total download size: 35 M Is this ok [y/N]: Exiting on user Command Complete!



Some months ago we saw that in OpenSUSE, Evolution depended on Mono. Whether this dependency was a mistake or not is almost irrelevant to the fact that Mono becomes less separable from some GTK applications and Winforms is an even bigger issue.

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