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baronhk[m]There's a Proton DB now which tracks the general state of Windows game compatibility. Proton is easily available by installing Steam even if you never actually use Steam, or could be packaged.May 27 00:01
techrights-bot#Fedora Linux 32 Reached End of Life, Upgrade to Fedora Linux 34 Now โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:01
techrights-bot#Oracle Linux 8.4 Released with Improved Security, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:01
baronhk[m]It's nice that Wine licensed itself LGPL to prevent another Cedega or Valve may have gone that route with Proton.May 27 00:01
techrights-bot#AlmaLinux OS 8.4 Is Out with Full Secure Boot Support, OpenSCAP Support, and More โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:02
schestowitzMaybe Sohini is the only one left at Canonical to shill WSLMay 27 00:04
schestowitz 27 00:04
baronhk[m]I agree with John Carmack about Wine. It's better for devs to target that if they actually have no idea what in the hell they're doing on Linux.May 27 00:05
baronhk[m]And most of them don't.May 27 00:05
baronhk[m]Maybe Wine should rebrand as Linux Subsystem for Windows.May 27 00:06
techrights-botHayden Barnes, the #microsoft 'moles' who was pushing #vista10 inside Canonical ('WSL'), has left...! #WSL and #WSL2 were utter failures.May 27 00:06
techrights-botHayden Barnes, the #microsoft 'mole' who was pushing #vista10 inside Canonical ('WSL'), has left...! #WSL and #WSL2 were utter failures.May 27 00:07
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baronhk[m]WSL2 is just a ridiculous pile of crap and I have no idea what the use case for their proprietary DirectX 12 for Linux would be.May 27 00:07
techrights-bot#ibm "Financial engineering will continue Layoffs will continue and increase Costs will be cut dramatically (no bonuses, no GDP, salary decrease)" 27 00:08
baronhk[m]An attempt to make "Linux" applications that only work on Windows maybe.May 27 00:08
baronhk[m]Implement a Linux system and shove it full of Windows crap. How much money are they willing to pour into this as nobody goes along with it?May 27 00:09
techrights-bot"Krishna has done nothing to improve IBMโ€™s situation, and he has not articulated plans that give investors reasons to believe the future will be better." 27 00:09
baronhk[m]I have the car ready to go into the shop again on Friday.May 27 00:10
techrights-bot"This is a very interesting article in that the CFO admits IBM bought Redhat for their go to market strategy. Itโ€™s all about #IBM SW being offered in the new and improved #Redhat container." 27 00:11
baronhk[m]It's making some sort of popping and whooshing noise. I suspect some massive vacuum leak is causing predetonation but I'm surprised no warning light has come up.May 27 00:11
techrights-bot"Put your Helmets on as the last week in May is about to get interesting restructuring wise. Good luck to all" #ibm #layoffsMay 27 00:12
baronhk[m]Who knows how the computer works?May 27 00:12
baronhk[m]It puts out standard diagnostic codes because the government required that, but the threshold for trouble is up to the OEM.May 27 00:12
techrights-bot" Anything happening tomorrow (Thursday, 5/27)? Or no? Every year, for at least the past three years, they had a big RA on the Thursday before Memorial Day in the US." #rumours of #ibm #layoffs Thursday 27 00:13
baronhk[m]"We like to lay people off on a Friday. Studies show that there's less chance of an incident that way.".May 27 00:14
techrights-bot" #IBM is still somehow hanging on, but its time has passed." See the comments, hours old. 27 00:14
baronhk[m]That's certainly one way to live. Analyze what tends to happen under certain conditions and apply an action as a general rule.May 27 00:15
MinceR27 010735 <+baronhk[m]> WSL2 is just a ridiculous pile of crap and I have no idea what the use case for their proprietary DirectX 12 for Linux would be.May 27 00:15
techrights-bot"So, what are the odds that this will be another #Lenovo play - spin off stuffed with former IBMers who then get laid off within x amount of time?" #ibm #layoffs 27 00:15
MinceREEEMay 27 00:15
schestowitzyupMay 27 00:15
schestowitzpretty muchMay 27 00:16
schestowitzbut that's failingMay 27 00:16
schestowitzI just did some checks and found Miceosoft employees promoting itMay 27 00:16
baronhk[m]I would have suspected that Lenovo would put Dell out of business by now.May 27 00:16
schestowitzalso very senior onesMay 27 00:16
baronhk[m]You get the same crackpot shit as Dell for a lot cheaper.May 27 00:16
schestowitz[00:08] <baronhk[m]> An attempt to make "Linux" applications that only work on Windows maybe.May 27 00:16
schestowitzthat was the planMay 27 00:16
schestowitzfirst they need many usersMay 27 00:16
schestowitzthey never got thatMay 27 00:16
schestowitzthey just wasted a TON of money on marketingMay 27 00:17
schestowitzbut WSL was junkMay 27 00:17
schestowitzand they kept iterating May 27 00:17
schestowitzand still, nobody came...May 27 00:17
baronhk[m]No reason. It takes up space on Windows, which already has Windows applications.May 27 00:17
schestowitzBarnes leaving means some have given upMay 27 00:17
schestowitzafter like 4 yearsMay 27 00:17
baronhk[m]Anyone wanting Linux uses real Linux.May 27 00:17
schestowitzother Ubuntu WSL people leftMay 27 00:17
schestowitzyears ago in factMay 27 00:17
schestowitzbbiabMay 27 00:18
baronhk[m]WSL2 still has severe deficits, like not returning memory into Windows space until you exit the entire WSL session.May 27 00:18
MinceRsome hipsters will want to run WSL and pretend they're using "Linux" :>May 27 00:18
MinceRand say "i use and love Linux BUT..."May 27 00:18
baronhk[m]So it can grow quite large over time and you don't get very much uptime when you have to keep closing out all your Linux apps to reclaim memory from the pool.May 27 00:18
techrights-bot"There are ongoing issues using Fedora's authentication system to login to various applications. We are investigating." So many technical glitches in #fedora since #ibm took over.May 27 00:19
baronhk[m]They should have kept using their own infrastructure. It was cheaper to maintain that than outsource it to where they had no control over the metal and sometimes the software too.May 27 00:20
techrights-bot#FLOSSWeekly 631: The Future of Focused Work - Fred Stutzman #gnu #linux #IbiblioMay 27 00:20
baronhk[m]Pointy Haired Bosses got involved and believed that they could lower operational costs by outsourcing.May 27 00:21
baronhk[m]It's still possible to use Windows as a real computer where your data stays with you and if they ever take that away they're screwed. A lot of people are aggravated by having to remove and silence cloud stuff but will just keep ignoring it as long as local computing remains possible.May 27 00:22
baronhk[m]I don't like OneDrive for a lot of reasons, but one of the big ones is it's an ongoing expense while local storage is cheap and runs for many years.May 27 00:22
baronhk[m]You're essentially paying Microsoft for a hard drive every year that you use it, only you don't get a hard drive and don't even get a quarter of the space or anything close to the I/O performance of local storage.May 27 00:23
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XRevan86baronhk[m]: I think ye have already given the information before that explains why they want DirectX 12 in WSL 2.May 27 00:24
baronhk[m]People who were abusing GMail as a drive accidentally inspired this mess.May 27 00:24
techrights-bot"I occasionally need to benchmark the tools I try out in videos but doing so can be a little bit annoying, it turns out however, that there is a tool called Hyperfine which make the process incredibly easy. I wish I knew about this earlier." 27 00:25
XRevan86baronhk[m]: I think the plan is to make DirectX 12 the only option on Windows, and so in WSL it is needed to translate OpenGL and Vulkan as the parent Windows is not supposed to know about these things.May 27 00:26
techrights-botA site called #LinuxDotCom is promoting #Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #LinuxFoundation is defunct or hijackedMay 27 00:28
XRevan86Or at least to not encourage OpenGL and Vulkan compatibility in any way.May 27 00:28
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techrights-bot#LinuxFoundation marketing #Microsoft 27 00:29
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:32
techrights-botAudiocasts/Shows: Hyperfine, Coder Radio, #FLOSSWeekly , and #XFCE โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:32
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:32
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techrights-bot#ibm "Can confirmโ€ฆ you will most likely get laid off."May 27 00:38
techrights-bot#ibm #layoffs "don't come here. it will not end well." 27 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How good is IBM for newbies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 00:38
techrights-bot#Mozilla and #LibreOffice โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla and LibreOffice | Tux MachinesMay 27 00:38
techrights-bot"It will not surprise me if #IBM over stuffs Kyndryl with excess management, and then letโ€™s #Kyndryl drop the ax on them via a bridge to retirement" 27 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Who were the target groups at GTS? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 00:39
techrights-bot"The [ #ibm ] Lenovo play was good for the guys who were close to leaving anyway They got a one year bride pay wise, and Heathcare for two" 27 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kyndryl stuffing? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 00:40
techrights-bot#geminiProtocol devroom at #fodsem h They already did a talk in the last FOSDEM. 27 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gemini meetup?May 27 00:41
techrights-bot"An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now at 6,716 signatures. I see some of the people in the hate letter (which this was a response to) taking the lead in trying to cause #freenode exodus.May 27 00:42
baronhk[m]That wouldn't be a bigger disaster than Vulkan is now.May 27 00:44
baronhk[m]Vendors can get different bugs because they have to ship their own driver.May 27 00:45
lockeanarchistNobody needs WSL2. If you just want better tools to """"sysadmin"""" on windows you can just do a better Cygwin package with the minimal necessary toolsMay 27 00:45
lockeanarchistCanonical needs just that if they aren't a MS shell companyMay 27 00:46
baronhk[m]They do Windows Terminal now.May 27 00:46
baronhk[m]I saw that and I'm like how many damned terminals do they need?May 27 00:47
lockeanarchistSSH works on Windows now, maybe port ZSH/Bash to work with windows' ports of GNU toolsMay 27 00:48
lockeanarchistWhy would someone need more in Canonical's usecase?May 27 00:48
MinceRif you sysadmin on windows, you're doing it wrongMay 27 00:49
lockeanarchistyeahMay 27 00:49
MinceRwindows is unfit for real workMay 27 00:49
lockeanarchist"""sysadmin"""May 27 00:49
lockeanarchistWhat i'm saying is that someone (could be Shutteworth himself) is pushing WSL2 at Canonical using the excuse that this is good for the Canonical's server businessMay 27 00:51
lockeanarchistBut they don't need thatMay 27 00:51
techrights-botNot sure I want a distro that works for those who bomb the world the most 27 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CloudLinux provides Linux support services for Department of Defense - Help Net SecurityMay 27 00:51
techrights-bot"We (the #Ubuntu Community [sic] team) are delighted to invite you to the #UbuntuOnAir YouTube and Twitch channels!" 27 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UbuntuOnAir | UbuntuMay 27 00:52
techrights-bot#Security Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 27 00:55
lockeanarchistMaybe CloudLinux was just the cheaper offer for the DoDMay 27 00:57
schestowitzyeahMay 27 00:57
schestowitzorMay 27 00:57
schestowitzthey want it on their sideMay 27 00:57
schestowitzclownlinux also works for MicrosoftMay 27 00:57
schestowitzazure and beyondMay 27 00:57
schestowitzwhich is why I recommend rockylinux insteadMay 27 00:57
schestowitzrocky deleted githubMay 27 00:57
schestowitzthat was my sole criticism of them!May 27 00:57
MinceRi recommend void linux and bedrock linux insteadMay 27 00:58
techrights-bot...endangered pygmy hippo... behind bars 27 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Edinburgh Zoo gives sweet name to Scotland's only endangered pygmy hippo calf - Daily RecordMay 27 01:00
techrights-bot#manutd played better and deserved to win the Europa League. But anyway, the other #manchester #football club should (hopefully) net the better trophy later this week.May 27 01:03
lockeanarchistschestowitz: CL is just a RHEL clone with a livepatching service and some scriptsMay 27 01:03
techrights-botElephant Robotics expands its myCobot line to include #RaspberryPi 27 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elephant Robotics expands its myCobot line to include Raspberry Pi | TechBullionMay 27 01:05
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techrights-botLOL. "Clown technology".... yes, #outsourcing as a 'skill'. Don't know how to manage a server, but know how to send that task somewhere else, to be spied on. Some 'skill'... 27 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Future Looks Bright for Cloud Technology Degree | Wake Technical Community CollegeMay 27 01:09
techrights-botQuickly find your #Java application process ID - JAXenter โš“ ไท‰ #jaxenter | more in 27 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Quickly find your Java application process ID - JAXenterMay 27 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 27 01:10
techrights-bot#Microsoft became a digital ashtray that fakes financial performance, bribes for contracts, and infiltrates the competition. Not much more... 27 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We're just not compatible any more: why Microsoft finally dumped Internet ExplorerMay 27 01:11
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techrights-bot"May 26, 2021. Added instructions to sign the letter in support of RMS without GitHub, maily for non technical people." #RMS said #deletegithub 6 years ago. 27 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Support of Richard Stallman - UpdatesMay 27 01:12
techrights-botIf rumours are true (I'd not put gossip in #techrights articles), later today we'll hear a lot more about #ibm layoffs. Rumours that go weeks back. 27 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How good is IBM for newbies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 01:13
techrights-bot"if you do not want to worry about layoffs, leave #IBM / #kyndryl " 27 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kyndryl stuffing? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 01:14
schestowitzlockeanarchist: yesMay 27 01:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 19.68 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ– avg(k/sec) 69.83โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.16  โŸฒMay 27 01:16
schestowitzseems the pdf of rasengan gets many requests todatMay 27 01:16
schestowitz*todayMay 27 01:16
schestowitzalmost 3,000May 27 01:16
schestowitz8,400 times last weekMay 27 01:17
schestowitzso over 10k people at least read his multi-page explanation of what happened, mostly the DNS level disputeMay 27 01:18
schestowitzI am still undecidedMay 27 01:18
lockeanarchistcan you link the pdf, pleaseMay 27 01:18
lockeanarchistdidn't see itMay 27 01:18
schestowitzfrom what I've read, the channel hijacking was done by a botMay 27 01:18
MinceRindeedMay 27 01:19
schestowitzand rasengan should take action against whoever thought this was a GoodIdea(R)May 27 01:19
MinceRif the screenshot i linked is genuine, it was his ideaMay 27 01:19
schestowitz 27 01:20
schestowitzMinceR: so really bad ideaMay 27 01:20
lockeanarchistmany projects locked the channels with a +m and put in the topicMay 27 01:20
lockeanarchistlooks like lee snapped and got a aggressive bot to punish thatMay 27 01:20
XRevan86schestowitz: He said it was his idea.May 27 01:21
rasenganschestowitz: This was my fault (the bot) and my fault alone.  I will be posting a post mortem on the freenode site and share it with you when it's complete.  To be clear, I really apologize for it and it was my fault alone.  The way it was executed was not good at all.  That being said, it was something debated over the course of several days (withMay 27 01:21
rasengana post of a draft policy change prior and feedback in a channel).May 27 01:21
XRevan86 every time I check her feed, there's something newMay 27 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "if you're wondering how it's going: 02:16:54 <Noir> insomnia: You banned a whole ISP 02:17:07 <insomnia> Noir, and nothing of value was lost." | nitterMay 27 01:21
schestowitzrasengan: yes, veryBadIdea(TM)May 27 01:21
schestowitzliving up to the stigma people made of your motivesMay 27 01:21
rasenganI understand. :/May 27 01:22
lockeanarchistrasengan: you could wait more or do the thing in a less aggressive wayMay 27 01:22
lockeanarchistpeople at #free-rms were pissedMay 27 01:22
schestowitzthat also makes it a harder task for those of us who defend freenodeMay 27 01:23
lockeanarchistyeahMay 27 01:23
schestowitzand becomes a liability upon usMay 27 01:23
lockeanarchistthe best way would be asking people to report malicious opsMay 27 01:24
techrights-botNotice how Microsofters promoting a non-GPL efforts to replace Android 27 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Rolls Out Fuchsia OS to First-Generation Nest Hub - Thurrott.comMay 27 01:24
techrights-botIt's 2021 and #Gizchina thinks doing "Microsoft says" articles is a good idea. The company lies and corrupts, its word is worthless. Check the facts, don't tell readers what "Microsoft says" like it's a fact. 27 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law โ€” Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and โ€œSlush Fundsโ€ | TechrightsMay 27 01:25
lockeanarchistAfter the Oracle case Google became a chief promoter of the Apache LicenseMay 27 01:26
schestowitzonly after?May 27 01:28
schestowitzthe copyright case had little to do with GPLMay 27 01:28
schestowitzit was about API reuseMay 27 01:28
schestowitzand if java was under another licence, the situation would be similarMay 27 01:28
techrights-bot#proprietarySoftware = holes lurking in the shadows, or IOW #fakeSecurity 27 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Porter Discovered M1 Covert Channel Flaw Named โ€˜M1RACLESโ€™ | TechNaduMay 27 01:29
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XRevan86lockeanarchist: Android has been under the Apache licence since day one.May 27 01:31
lockeanarchistschestowitz: yeah, I'm wrong. I think that Android is Apache since the beginningMay 27 01:32
lockeanarchistoopsMay 27 01:32
lockeanarchistyea, XRevan86 May 27 01:32
*MinceR sets mode -q #techrights *!*@70147.numbersstation.orgMay 27 01:33
schestowitzgoogle was not always gpl-hostile thoughMay 27 01:34
lockeanarchistEven Chromium is ApacheMay 27 01:34
schestowitzit started by building its servers with gnu stuff and bragging about gnuMay 27 01:34
schestowitzlater, chris dibono would participate in the war on fsfMay 27 01:34
schestowitzmoney changes peopleMay 27 01:34
lockeanarchistGoogle is the smarter big tech monopolist today. They create "open" projects, gets them in a dominant position and after that shove their own "standards"May 27 01:35
lockeanarchistweb is now dominated by the Chromium projectMay 27 01:35
techrights-botHow's all the extra bloat working out for you? 27 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nearly 50,000 IPs Compromised in Kubernetes ClustersMay 27 01:36
techrights-bot#microsoft controlled media keeps harping about #wsl (paid-for spam, stenography), but the key person behind that crap left. Quietly, but left... I saw confirmatory evidence...May 27 01:37
techrights-botMeet #CutefishOS : A New #Manjaro Community Spin That Looks Like macOS โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meet CutefishOS: A New Manjaro Community Spin That Looks Like macOS | Tux MachinesMay 27 01:39
MinceRyet another?May 27 01:40
MinceRgnome doesn't look like macos enough? :>May 27 01:40
techrights-bot"To analyze huge amounts of data and enable machine learning for warfighting operations, CTI uses geo-visualization technologies like TAK and Raptor, software-defined radio applications GNU Radio and Redhawk, and Apache tools including Hadoop and Spark." 27 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bluestone Invests in Open-Source Developer CTI; John Allen Quoted - ExecutiveBizMay 27 01:40
lockeanarchistlol Hayden BarnesMay 27 01:42
lockeanarchistNow I rememberMay 27 01:42
techrights-botVector Drawing: New in #Inkscape 1.1 #freeswMay 27 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Welcome to Inkscape 1.1! | Tux MachinesMay 27 01:42
lockeanarchistHe was the Canonical employee that used Windows at work in CanonicalMay 27 01:42
lockeanarchistNow he's on SuSEMay 27 01:43
techrights-botThis makes no sense to me: "An Apple M1 processor with eight Arm cores is 400% faster than the single-threaded GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)." Huh? Hardware is faster than a... COMPILER? 27 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CacheQโ€™s New Compiler Supports Multi-Threading CPUMay 27 01:43
schestowitz[01:42] <lockeanarchist> lol Hayden BarnesMay 27 01:44
schestowitzhe trolls us hereMay 27 01:44
schestowitzseveral timesMay 27 01:44
schestowitzover the yearMay 27 01:44
schestowitz*yearsMay 27 01:44
schestowitzanonymously evenMay 27 01:44
schestowitzbut based on the context we figured out it was himMay 27 01:45
schestowitzhe than admitted itMay 27 01:45
schestowitz[01:40] <MinceR> gnome doesn't look like macos enough? :>May 27 01:45
schestowitzwho said it's limited to one DE/distros?May 27 01:45
MinceRยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏMay 27 01:45
schestowitzit's easy to copy appleMay 27 01:45
schestowitzbut....May 27 01:45
MinceRgnome has had aping macos as its mission since 2.0May 27 01:45
schestowitzit's harder to brainwash people, i.e. marketing, to pay for itMay 27 01:46
MinceRthey broke window management so they could stuff their precious crap into title barsMay 27 01:46
MinceRbecause apple did itMay 27 01:46
lockeanarchist >>> Why would someone test Games for Linux on... Windows?May 27 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixterminal: .@Blizzard_Ent engineers talking about how WSL and Visual Studio is helping them bring games to Linux. #MSBuild2021โ€ฆ 27 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixterminal: .@Blizzard_Ent engineers talking about how WSL and Visual Studio is helping them bring games to Linux. #MSBuild2021โ€ฆ 27 01:46
MinceRlol @ blizzardMay 27 01:46
schestowitzlol unixterminalMay 27 01:47
lockeanarchistyah, I saw him sometimes in my twitter tlMay 27 01:47
schestowitzMinceR: you don't need title bars anywayMay 27 01:47
schestowitzI hide them for most thingsMay 27 01:47
schestowitzin KDE/KwinMay 27 01:47
schestowitzbut in GNOME it's almost impossible to do soMay 27 01:47
schestowitzon my gnomeshell laptop they take up far too much spaceMay 27 01:47
schestowitzand it's a small screenMay 27 01:47
lockeanarchistI don't think CSD is too bad, but GNOME CSD is badMay 27 01:47
lockeanarchistit's just too largeMay 27 01:48
schestowitzit  might be ok for 'n00bs'May 27 01:48
MinceRschestowitz: i like being able to see window titlesMay 27 01:48
schestowitzbut give me the optionMay 27 01:48
MinceRand on my fvwm config, the title bars of unfocused windows are just thatMay 27 01:48
schestowitzgnome was called 'nazis' by Torvalds for removing too many desirable optionsMay 27 01:48
lockeanarchistI like Firefox implementation of CSDMay 27 01:48
MinceRthe buttons are only visible on the focused windowMay 27 01:48
MinceRi think all CSD is bad, including the one in windowsMay 27 01:49
schestowitzit should be an option anywayMay 27 01:49
MinceRmy title bars are 13 pixels tall +1 pixel window borderMay 27 01:49
techrights-bot#tuxmachines under #ddos attacks the past half day. It's back again, despite defenses we put in place.May 27 01:50
MinceR(but the title bar and the border can be disabled separately)May 27 01:50
lockeanarchistschestowitz: They like to remove options but doesn't include thumbnails in the filepicker ;DMay 27 01:50
techrights-botMore distraction? talk about what they do NOT want you too, e.g. #billgates #pervertMay 27 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Sold All Its Shares of Apple and Twitter Right Before the Billionaire Couple Announced Their DivorceMay 27 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York TimesMay 27 01:51
techrights-botMore distraction? talk about what they do NOT want you to, e.g. #billgates #pervertMay 27 01:51
lockeanarchistIf GTK was a independent toolkit project this would be already a thingMay 27 01:52
lockeanarchistI think they removed menubars for good in GTK4May 27 01:53
techrights-bot"The New Relic One platform is popular, but the company has struggled to turn a profit." Not clear if this is Free software or just the typical openwashing 27 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Relic enhances Kubernetes observability with open-source Pixie software - SiliconANGLEMay 27 01:54
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techrights-bot#ACM recognizes far-reaching technical achievements with special awards 27 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ACM recognizes far-reaching technical achievements with special awards | EurekAlert! Science NewsMay 27 01:56
techrights-botThe so-called 'Linux' Foundation should be utterly ashamed of itself for boosting the very same actors that attack Linux. This isn't a satire. LF is a compromised operation, hijacked by rogue actors that infiltrate their rivals. 27 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 27 01:59
techrights-botWait, didn't #python cancel the word "master"? 27 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Master PythonMay 27 02:01
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techrights-bot#idg reminding us this week that's it's owned and paid for (advertising) by #microsoft ... I remember when it was a news network with many sites, not a #propaganda framework for the highest bidderMay 27 02:02
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techrights-bot#oraclr bought SPARC but promotes ARM. They have no clue what they're doing...May 27 02:03
techrights-botThe New Humanitarian | Indiaโ€™s #COVID19 digital divide hampers vaccine and healthcare access โš“ ไท‰ #thenewhumanitarian | more in 27 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The New Humanitarian | Indiaโ€™s COVID-19 digital divide hampers vaccine and healthcare accessMay 27 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 27 02:03
lockeanarchistI don't know why Mozilla is more concerned about "disinformation" and "fake news" than making Firefox better.May 27 02:04
techrights-botIs #ibm transfering staff to units it plans to disband soon? #layoffs #DinosaurCompanyMay 27 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kyndryl stuffing? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 02:05
techrights-botIs #ibm transferring staff to units it plans to disband soon? #layoffs #DinosaurCompanyMay 27 02:06
techrights-botThere's consensus that #ibm is dead man walking. 27 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How good is IBM for newbies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 02:06
techrights-botCulture or cult? Buzzwords don't mean a 'thang! 27 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Q&A with Eveline Oerhlich on Building an Effective DevOps CultureMay 27 02:07
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techrights-bot#Microsoft #propaganda sites now borrow the "Linux" brand for #openwashing and #greenwashing of the top polluter, Microsoft, which harms the planet. Gross brand-hijacking moves. 27 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 27 02:09
techrights-botCities: Why more green spaces means healthier residents | World Economic Forum โš“ ไท‰ #weforum | more in 27 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cities: Why more green spaces means healthier residents | World Economic ForumMay 27 02:10
schestowitz[02:04] <lockeanarchist> I don't know why Mozilla is more concerned about "disinformation" and "fake news" than making Firefox better.May 27 02:11
schestowitz:-)May 27 02:11
schestowitzyou almost answered your own questionMay 27 02:11
schestowitzit's between the linesMay 27 02:11
schestowitzmaybe soon they'll seek to deplatform of MozillaMay 27 02:11
schestowitzsaying it's "racist" and "sexist"May 27 02:11
schestowitz*deplatform critics of MozillaMay 27 02:11
schestowitzbecause they harp about nothing technical anymoreMay 27 02:11
schestowitzand to point this out is to "attack" nontechnical peopleMay 27 02:12
schestowitzor something like thatMay 27 02:12
schestowitzit's "bro"May 27 02:12
schestowitzall we want is a good browser that doesn't spy on usMay 27 02:12
schestowitzand isn't GoogleMay 27 02:12
schestowitzor Google-funded like MozillaMay 27 02:12
schestowitzand they give us sound bites insteadMay 27 02:12
lockeanarchistMozilla is just artificial "competition" to GoogleMay 27 02:12
schestowitzand give over $3 million dollars per year to their defunct'ing CEOMay 27 02:13
lockeanarchistthey don't defund it because they feared a anti-trust caseMay 27 02:13
schestowitzyeahMay 27 02:13
schestowitz[19:31] <techrights-bot> If #google doesn't kill #mozilla over the next 5 years (Google needs Mozilla to pretend there's still competition and bemoan antitrust action), #firefox might join the laughable cloud club of Web 'browsers' that tell you which site/page you can access and which you cannotMay 27 02:13
lockeanarchistnow that mozilla is becoming more irrelevantMay 27 02:13
lockeanarchistI think that Google will defund it in the next yearsMay 27 02:13
schestowitzbut they use that as a PR millMay 27 02:13
schestowitzlockeanarchist: it won't be of much use when userbase comes to less than 1%May 27 02:13
schestowitzas we're getting there if they lay off technical staffMay 27 02:14
schestowitzand add people from Microsoft and other proprietary software firms to their BoardMay 27 02:14
lockeanarchistMozilla wants to be EFFMay 27 02:14
schestowitzSpeaking for myself, I am trying to get off the WebMay 27 02:14
schestowitzI use gemini for newsMay 27 02:14
schestowitzwhere possibleMay 27 02:14
schestowitzRSS also, but sometimes it needs to render a bit of HTMLMay 27 02:14
schestowitzEFF used to be goodMay 27 02:15
schestowitznow being EFF can be seen as an insultMay 27 02:15
lockeanarchistBrowsers now are more complex than OSs nowMay 27 02:15
schestowitz 27 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | TechrightsMay 27 02:15
schestowitzassuming you mean simple OSesMay 27 02:15
schestowitzwithout all the bloat you have in LinuxMay 27 02:15
schestowitzfor performance, many file systems etc.May 27 02:15
schestowitzLinux is vastMay 27 02:15
schestowitzeven too vastMay 27 02:16
lockeanarchistI think that Chromium has more LoC than Linux nowMay 27 02:16
schestowitzlinux core stuff?May 27 02:16
schestowitzchromium borrows much from external libsMay 27 02:16
lockeanarchistnahMay 27 02:16
lockeanarchistLinux has moreMay 27 02:17
lockeanarchisti'm full of shitMay 27 02:17
schestowitzget a gemini clientMay 27 02:17
schestowitztechrights gives you the option of NOT use a browserMay 27 02:17
schestowitzgemini:// 27 02:17
schestowitz*usingMay 27 02:17
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lockeanarchistinstalling kristallMay 27 02:19
techrights-bot"In the #Gemini tradition of multi-schema URI support you could even use a #Bittorrent magnet: URI." 27 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [tech] Integrity checks for Gemini pagesMay 27 02:19
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schestowitzlockeanarchist: cool...May 27 02:19
techrights-bot#PGCon Unconference - Friday May 28 also 27 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PostgreSQL: PGCon Unconference - Friday May 28May 27 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Postgres Vision 2021 Agenda to Include Top PostgreSQL Experts and Users from Around the World | Business WireMay 27 02:22
techrights-bot#AlmaLinux 8.4, #Oracle Linux 8 Update 4 Released #gnu #linuxMay 27 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AlmaLinux OS 8.4 Is Out with Full Secure Boot Support, OpenSCAP Support, and More | Tux MachinesMay 27 02:24
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 02:27
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schestowitz 27 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@janc_be: @schestowitz Freenode just stole & locked a whole bunch of channels on Freenode, literally forcing people to move oโ€ฆ 27 02:36
schestowitz"May 27 02:36
schestowitzFreenode just stole & locked a whole bunch of channels on Freenode, literally forcing people to move off their network to another one (Iโ€™m talking channels that didnโ€™t decide to move away before Freenode did that tonight).May 27 02:36
schestowitzThey are digging their own graveโ€ฆMay 27 02:36
schestowitz"May 27 02:36
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saint_dogbertI know this is off topic, but I think word needs to get out about thisMay 27 02:41
saint_dogbert 27 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Court Case Accuses Panda Express of Subjecting Employees to 'Cult-Like' Training That Forces Them to Strip With Co-Workers โ€“ PJ MediaMay 27 02:41
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saint_dogbertWhat went on in that 'seminar'... May 27 02:41
AdmFubar8-OMay 27 02:41
techrights-botShame on #googleNews rewarding #plagiarism ... having added malicious sites like #ADMET that rip off #knowledgehut and forget to remove the logos etc. #google doesn't seem to care. Reckless, lazy, worthless...May 27 02:42
saint_dogbertAnother site says that one of the employees filed a complaint for sexual battery May 27 02:42
saint_dogbertwho is going to enforce the law and hold google accountable? Anyone? Except maybe the EU May 27 02:42
schestowitznot even EUMay 27 02:43
schestowitzGoogle funds FSFE etc.May 27 02:43
saint_dogbertSo another tech company thats above the lawMay 27 02:43
schestowitzthey have all sorts of frontsMay 27 02:43
schestowitz 27 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Breaking News: EDPS Admits That It is Powerless to Investigate Claims of GDPR Non-compliance at the EPO | TechrightsMay 27 02:44
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AdmFubar 27 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Unfixable Apple M1 chip bug enables cross-process chatter, breaking OS security model โ€ข The RegisterMay 27 03:01
techrights-bot#FreeSoftware and More โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software and More | Tux MachinesMay 27 03:02
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 27 03:02
AdmFubar 27 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | US Patent Office to take only DOCX in future โ€“ or PDFs if you pay extra โ€ข The RegisterMay 27 03:02
MinceRi thought their security model was "buy expensive ads and claim they're more secure than anything else in them"May 27 03:03
AdmFubarit still isMay 27 03:03
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techrights-botTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 27 03:08
techrights-botLinks 27/5/2021: #AlmaLinux OS 8.4, Rumours of #IBM Layoffs Today โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 27/5/2021: AlmaLinux OS 8.4, Rumours of IBM Layoffs Today | TechrightsMay 27 03:08
schestowitzAdmFubar: thanks for that linkMay 27 03:08
schestowitzI will add it t May 27 03:08
schestowitzto 27 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updated) | TechrightsMay 27 03:09
techrights-ipfsQmUJKWuPGKzL4nmcd5UB7qFvEMYKrYzB5fBHjoSeaYSi6YMay 27 03:09
techrights-botUPDATE: #uspto under fire for helping criminals from #microsoft and for REWARDING them for their crimes. 27 03:11
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schestowitzAdmFubar: maybe seen if you can find more?May 27 03:12
schestowitzif there's enough fire power, they will withdrawMay 27 03:12
schestowitzin fact, this decision seems to have been finalised by interim USPTO officialMay 27 03:13
schestowitzput forth by Trump's flunky, IancuMay 27 03:13
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schestowitzbut after Iancu resigned maybe Microsoft found some political ways to push this throughMay 27 03:13
AdmFubarschestowitz, if I happen across something I will post it hereMay 27 03:14
schestowitzthanksMay 27 03:15
schestowitzit doesn't intersect with subjects I typically followMay 27 03:15
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AdmFubara bit dated 27 03:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: USPTO Support for Filing in DOCX Format Still a Work in ProgressMay 27 03:22
schestowitzI saw thatMay 27 03:22
schestowitzat the timeMay 27 03:22
AdmFubarah here is the usual bs. here is a company that make a word plugin that checks your patent application documentMay 27 03:29
AdmFubar 27 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Automated Patent Proofreading, Patent Drafting, Patent Forms and Office Action Responses - ClaimMasterMay 27 03:29
schestowitzlots of snakeoil out thereMay 27 03:30
schestowitzthe other day I checked if anticipat is still aroundMay 27 03:30
schestowitzas their rss feeds yielded nothingMay 27 03:30
schestowitz 27 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AnticipatMay 27 03:30
schestowitzlast blog post TWO YEARS AGOMay 27 03:31
schestowitz 27 03:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Anticipat BlogMay 27 03:31
schestowitzso assume it is defunctMay 27 03:31
schestowitzlots of companies selling snakeoilMay 27 03:31
AdmFubarit is about all anyone sells...May 27 03:31
techrights-bot#Anticipat seems to have collapsed. #uspto #ptab #patentMaximalists #swpatsMay 27 03:32
AdmFubarprobably not, just idle from covid restrictions.May 27 03:34
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schestowitzAdmFubar: no, they used to write regularlyMay 27 03:42
schestowitzthan silenceMay 27 03:42
schestowitzeven ages before covidMay 27 03:42
schestowitzthen silenceMay 27 03:42
AdmFubar 27 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The problem with USPTO's proposed non-DOCX penalty - Ant-like PersistenceMay 27 03:42
schestowitzsame for some other blogs about patentsMay 27 03:42
schestowitzthey stopped postingMay 27 03:42
schestowitzAdmFubar: thanks, will addMay 27 03:43
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AdmFubarhe has moreMay 27 03:44
AdmFubar 27 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | non-DOCX penalty Archives - Ant-like PersistenceMay 27 03:44
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #AralBalkan โ˜ž Archival cascades: a practical way to not break URLs 27 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Archival cascades: a practical way to not break URLs โ€“ Aral BalkanMay 27 03:45
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CoryDoctorow #Hardware โ˜ž Monopolists are winning the repair wars 27 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pluralistic: 26 May 2021 โ€“ Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory DoctorowMay 27 03:49
AdmFubaryeow! May 27 03:51
AdmFubar 27 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-October 2020 USPTO Fee Increases: The Clock Is Ticking | Prosecution First Blog | Finnegan | Leading Intellectual Property Law FirmMay 27 03:51
schestowitz"Prosecution First Blog"May 27 03:51
schestowitzLOLMay 27 03:51
schestowitztypical FinneganMay 27 03:52
schestowitznasty and aggressive firmMay 27 03:52
AdmFubaryou see the section on fees?May 27 03:52
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schestowitzalmost like Microsoft drafted itMay 27 03:54
AdmFubarit really sounds like the uspto  is becoming a fully automated office of the rubber stamp May 27 03:55
techrights-botFurther update on #microsoft hijacking #uspto 27 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updatedx2) | TechrightsMay 27 03:57
schestowitzAdmFubar: same in EPOMay 27 03:57
schestowitzbut EPO too has been hijacked by MicrosoftMay 27 03:57
schestowitz 27 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law โ€” Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | TechrightsMay 27 03:57
AdmFubarEPO still sounds manual to me...May 27 03:58
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techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž [Attackers] release patient data stolen from New Zealand health systems 27 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers release patient data stolen from New Zealand health systems | TheHillMay 27 03:59
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Insurance #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž Cyber insurance rates to increase 20-50% this year: Aon 27 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cyber insurance rates to increase 20-50% this year: Aon | Business InsuranceMay 27 04:00
techrights-bot#Microsoft #Windows TCO [Old] โ— #uniHarvard # โ˜ž Cybersecurity Insurance Has a Big Problem 27 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cybersecurity Insurance Has a Big ProblemMay 27 04:00
techrights-botโ— [Old] โ— #Insurance #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž Increasing Cyberattacks Causing Cyber Insurance Rates to Rise 27 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Increasing Cyberattacks Causing Cyber Insurance Rates to RiseMay 27 04:00
schestowitzAdmFubar: well, semiMay 27 04:01
schestowitzINPI France barely even examinesMay 27 04:02
schestowitzthey would be deprecating this whole system if people realise how it really worksMay 27 04:02
schestowitzwe already move in that direction, with COVID patents making people angryMay 27 04:02
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž DHS to require pipeline companies to report cyberattacks 27 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DHS to require pipeline companies to report cyberattacks | TheHillMay 27 04:03
techrights-bot#Openwashing 27 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Securing Open Source Infrastructure | TeleportMay 27 04:03
jrmuI read earlier that techrights is either neutral or supportive of andrew lee; can anyone here point me to problems with 27 04:04
jrmuI'd like to hear the opposing sideMay 27 04:04
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #PatrickBreyer #Privacy #Surveillance โ˜ž #ECHR Ruling: #MassSurveillance Legislation Violates Human Rights 27 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ECHR ruling: Mass surveillance legislation violates human rights โ€“ Patrick BreyerMay 27 04:04
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #BroadbandBreakfast #Privacy #Surveillance โ˜ž Several Organizations Protest #Facebook , Sign Public Complaints Against Platform 27 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Several Organizations Protest Facebook, Sign Public Complaints Against Platform : Broadband BreakfastMay 27 04:05
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Axios #Privacy #Surveillance โ˜ž #Facebook says it will no longer remove posts claiming #COVID is human-made 27 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook lifts ban on posts claiming COVID "man-made" - AxiosMay 27 04:05
schestowitzjrmu: that's the wrong way to put itMay 27 04:05
schestowitzwe barely ever named libera.chatMay 27 04:06
schestowitzor attacked itMay 27 04:06
schestowitzwe just said the controversy is MOSTLY phonyMay 27 04:06
jrmuwell it is of course politically motivated :)May 27 04:06
jrmuI was curious though if anyone here had any evidence that would be worse or comparable to freenodeMay 27 04:07
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jrmufor users trying to make a decision about which network to go toMay 27 04:07
schestowitzit would be 'generous' to say this is mostly based on a misundederstandingMay 27 04:08
schestowitzexplain to people what happenedMay 27 04:08
schestowitzit's a lot simpler than the political spinners want us to thinkMay 27 04:08
schestowitzit was a 2FA lockout in DNSMay 27 04:08
schestowitz 27 04:08
jrmuI've read that, yesMay 27 04:08
schestowitzfrom there on it span out of controlMay 27 04:08
schestowitzthreat of legal action and alleged gagMay 27 04:09
schestowitzthen christel resigned, not sure when exactlyMay 27 04:09
jrmufor me, the history doesn't matter to me that much, I'm more concerned about going forward, which network will treat users betterMay 27 04:09
schestowitzanyway, let's not talk much about IRCMay 27 04:09
schestowitzwe can move on and focus on what it all distracts fromMay 27 04:09
schestowitzlike the anti-RMS 'jihad'May 27 04:10
jrmuare any of the parties involved in anti RMS boycottsMay 27 04:10
jrmueither or freenode?May 27 04:10
schestowitzlibera.chatMay 27 04:10
schestowitzdivisive hacks and framing as "ethics"May 27 04:11
jrmuCrystalMath told me this but I don't have the list of names or the URL evidenceMay 27 04:11
jrmuas it would help me weigh the options going forwardMay 27 04:11
schestowitzwhich channel/s?May 27 04:11
jrmuhe was mentioning it on ##rmsMay 27 04:11
schestowitzrasengan fucked up royally by running some bot that chopped down channel en masseMay 27 04:11
schestowitz(which he now regrets)May 27 04:12
jrmuyeah i figured he would regret itMay 27 04:12
jrmui knew he didn't mean to do it like thatMay 27 04:12
schestowitzBTW, some ex-freenode 'staff' was censoring pro-RMS activistsMay 27 04:12
schestowitz 27 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Some Background on the Free Speech Society at the University of Buckingham, Where Richard Stallman is Being โ€˜Replatformedโ€™ | TechrightsMay 27 04:13
jrmuok let me view that link, that was what i was looking forMay 27 04:13
schestowitznotice dateMay 27 04:13
schestowitzbefore the messMay 27 04:13
schestowitzoh, waitMay 27 04:13
schestowitzwrong linkMay 27 04:13
schestowitzwait...May 27 04:13
schestowitzthis 27 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | TechrightsMay 27 04:14
schestowitza day earlierMay 27 04:14
jrmuok one momentMay 27 04:14
schestowitzthey misused their position in freenodeMay 27 04:14
schestowitzto advance tech-political objectivesMay 27 04:14
jrmuโ€œIโ€™ve been targeted by some of these same people for years,โ€ a source told us, โ€œand am trying to sort it out with OFTC and Freenode right at this very momentโ€ฆโ€May 27 04:15
jrmudo they have logs of this?May 27 04:15
schestowitzyesMay 27 04:15
schestowitzI saw someMay 27 04:15
schestowitzI removed names from the articleMay 27 04:15
schestowitzthat was before we saw the attacks on freenode, weeks earlierMay 27 04:16
jrmuFor me this would be quite important, so I can know the character of staffMay 27 04:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–…โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 48.91 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 114.08โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.28  โŸฒMay 27 04:16
schestowitzthey are volunteersMay 27 04:16
schestowitzbut..May 27 04:16
schestowitzthey get other things in returnMay 27 04:16
schestowitzmostly power over peopleMay 27 04:16
schestowitzand then power over ideasMay 27 04:16
schestowitzand I reject thatMay 27 04:16
schestowitzit's a risk if becoming power tripMay 27 04:17
schestowitzand tripping over people with legit (but inconvenient to some) ideas/infoMay 27 04:17
jrmuI've heard that accusation but I lack logs/evidence for it. My experience with ex-freenode staff wasMay 27 04:17
jrmuI didn't like their policies but they haven't abused their powersMay 27 04:18
schestowitzsome staff is OKMay 27 04:18
schestowitzbut there are cliquesMay 27 04:18
schestowitzand they extended to oftc May 27 04:18
schestowitzsame peopleMay 27 04:18
jrmuhm, what's the connection between and oftc?May 27 04:18
jrmuthey're not independent networks?May 27 04:18
schestowitzpeopleMay 27 04:18
schestowitzoverlapsMay 27 04:18
schestowitzand they apparently share banlistsMay 27 04:19
schestowitzFB and Twitter are the sameMay 27 04:19
schestowitzcensorship and social control networksMay 27 04:19
schestowitzfalsely marketed as means of mass communicationMay 27 04:20
schestowitzanyway, let's change subjects if you don't mindMay 27 04:20
schestowitzI already lost days worth of productivity to this IRC chaos and riftMay 27 04:20
schestowitzdo you want to read a draft on EPO?May 27 04:20
schestowitzto catch typos/errors?May 27 04:20
jrmuI can take a lookMay 27 04:22
jrmuoh, different topicMay 27 04:22
jrmuI'm not sure what EPO is, unfortunatelyMay 27 04:22
jrmuAlright, thanks for your time schestowitz , I appreciate itMay 27 04:22
schestowitzit's good if you don't knowMay 27 04:23
schestowitzbecause that's the aimMay 27 04:23
jrmuyou guys are the main people not supporting so I wanted to hear your storyMay 27 04:23
schestowitzto make it approachable a topicMay 27 04:23
schestowitzdraft published 27 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | TechrightsMay 27 04:23
schestowitzRe "not supporting"May 27 04:24
schestowitzthat's not the right way to put itMay 27 04:24
schestowitzwe never even name that networkMay 27 04:24
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jrmuok understoodMay 27 04:24
schestowitzwe oppose a false narrative or false portrayals of events leading up to this blunderMay 27 04:24
schestowitzlet me know if you 1) find typosMay 27 04:25
schestowitz2) clarify is deemed ok and you find it understandableMay 27 04:26
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AdmFubarok I'm outta here for the night..... later allMay 27 04:31
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techrights-botOutline of Recent #EPO Series: #KangarooCourts , German Government Complicity, and Gross #Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials #patent #patentsMay 27 04:38
XRevan86schestowitz: Christel resigned before, of course, as a result of the sponsor logo addition. The DNS/2FA thing happens later.May 27 04:41
schestowitzwhat motivated moMay 27 04:42
schestowitztomaw to do it?May 27 04:42
schestowitzwas this related to her resignation?May 27 04:42
XRevan86schestowitz: Indirectly, as she left an information vacuum after her. Judging by that the staff mocked Andrew for saying that the Board doesn't recognise tomaw, replying that the Board didn't existโ€ฆ apparently she didn't mention to them that she was a head of staff AND on the Board.May 27 04:45
XRevan86schestowitz: It's obvious that the staff didn't know much about the company operations or even cared for it as they barely even crossed paths while they managed freenode. I think that the staff was pushing for more independence from that company, especially after their only tie to it just resigned.May 27 04:48
XRevan86schestowitz: And since they didn't trust the company (like they don't trust the sponsors and have exclusive access to the donated hardware), I guess they tried to get exclusive access to the domains as well.May 27 04:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Now I don't know why it was so important to maintain that domain access control, but I suspect that it was distrust in the company possibly caused by the logo thing.May 27 04:54
XRevan86Like, if the company put that logo there without consulting anyone and then explained nothing (Christel resigned instead) what else is it capable of?May 27 04:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Another messy aspect of this whole story is Andrew barging into #freenode and saying that he accepts the resignation letter draughts as final and then ignoring what is said back to him.May 27 05:04
techrights-botThe Haarian #PraetorianGuard #haar #epo #kangarooCourts #corruptionMay 27 05:08
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schestowitz"May 27 05:10
schestowitz#DevMC Senior Manager for Windows Containers at May 27 05:10
schestowitz@Rancher_LabsMay 27 05:10
schestowitz, now part of May 27 05:10
schestowitz@SUSEMay 27 05:10
schestowitz. ๐ŸฆŽ Microsoft MVP. Former Advocate/Eng. Manager May 27 05:10
schestowitz@UbuntuMay 27 05:10
schestowitz on WSL.May 27 05:10
schestowitz"May 27 05:10
schestowitzHe uses a Microsoft logo nowMay 27 05:10
schestowitzin his Twitter profileMay 27 05:10
schestowitzI suppseMay 27 05:10
schestowitz that's as close as it getsMay 27 05:10
schestowitzto being like a Microsoft moleMay 27 05:11
MinceRyupMay 27 05:11
schestowitzpushing MicrosoftMay 27 05:11
schestowitzfrom within CanonicalMay 27 05:11
schestowitznow SUSEMay 27 05:11
MinceRand guess which list did SUSE put itself on as an organization :>May 27 05:11
schestowitzStill pushing WSL: 27 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixterminal: While #MSBuild is still happening, I will also be joining a WSL panel at @DockerCon tomorrow, led by @nunixtech witโ€ฆ 27 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixterminal: While #MSBuild is still happening, I will also be joining a WSL panel at @DockerCon tomorrow, led by @nunixtech witโ€ฆ 27 05:11
schestowitzthen again, SUSE pushing Microsoft is NOW newsMay 27 05:12
schestowitzI just hope Canonical will quit doing thatMay 27 05:12
schestowitzit cost them a lot in credibilityMay 27 05:12
schestowitznot that they had that much to begin with 5 years agoMay 27 05:12
techrights-bot#ibm playing a shell game to fake health 27 05:13
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XRevan86schestowitz: Also notice how Andrew never touches the topic of the logo, something is smelly there. I don't believe that Christel resigned because she was bullied like he says. At least not a way that's not insisting to explain things. And if everything really is as simple as it looks, then why not just explain and move on?May 27 05:16
MinceRor maybe nobody cares about the logo that much :>May 27 05:16
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XRevan86MinceR: Why did Christel resign then?May 27 05:17
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 19.05 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–โ–‡โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–„โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 62.71โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.32  โŸฒMay 27 05:17
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MinceRmaybe they were harassed and/or felt guilty about the sale of the corporationMay 27 05:17
MinceRmaybe they had unrelated personal issuesMay 27 05:18
XRevan86MinceR: 4 years later suddenly unprovoked. With this end-result.May 27 05:18
MinceRthey used to have a different sponsor's logo thereMay 27 05:19
MinceRowned by the same people, afaikMay 27 05:19
MinceRso why would it be a big deal?May 27 05:19
schestowitz5+ yearsMay 27 05:19
XRevan86MinceR: Indeed, why would it?May 27 05:19
schestowitzPIA (Andrew)May 27 05:19
schestowitzthen Shells (Alex, his brother)May 27 05:19
schestowitzboth Free software-friendly, AFAIKMay 27 05:19
XRevan86And yet, it's something to resign for.May 27 05:19
schestowitzmy understanding is thisMay 27 05:20
schestowitzlast timeMay 27 05:20
schestowitzI don't want to spend too much energy on itMay 27 05:20
MinceRsameMay 27 05:20
schestowitz1. RMS cancel campaignMay 27 05:20
schestowitzsome freenode staff involvedMay 27 05:20
MinceRwe probably won't see much in the way of evidence either wayMay 27 05:20
schestowitzand then cancel freenode users who support RMSMay 27 05:20
schestowitztomaw then confronts Lee over the whole FSF thingMay 27 05:21
schestowitzworrying about coups etc.May 27 05:21
schestowitzlogo of Shells added in MarchMay 27 05:21
schestowitzin place of PIA (brother)May 27 05:21
schestowitztomaw takes over domainMay 27 05:21
schestowitzthey throw a fitMay 27 05:21
schestowitztom riles up 'colleagues'May 27 05:21
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schestowitzsaying it's a secret legal actionMay 27 05:21
jrmuI'd really like the evidence of the freenode staff being involved in the RMS cancel campaign, if it's not too much troubleMay 27 05:21
schestowitzstaff feels left out and under attackMay 27 05:22
schestowitzwithout any context givenMay 27 05:22
jrmubecause that would greatly affect my opinion of libera.chatMay 27 05:22
schestowitzresignation letters being preparedMay 27 05:22
schestowitztechrights leaks one of the firstMay 27 05:22
MinceRi'm not sure where you can get a list of staff that you would trustMay 27 05:22
schestowitzif not THE firstMay 27 05:22
schestowitzthen they email meMay 27 05:22
MinceRyou can look their names up in the anti-RMS letter yourselfMay 27 05:22
schestowitzasking me not to leak it or to amend itMay 27 05:22
schestowitzdays later they throw a fit againMay 27 05:22
MinceRthe letter is at 27 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.ioMay 27 05:22
jrmuI remember just seeing 2 or 3 freenode staff, that was allMay 27 05:23
schestowitzbbiabMay 27 05:23
schestowitzI also need some sleep soonMay 27 05:23
MinceRwhich is a lot more than what one would want to see in a list of trusted persons running a network that is supposed to be about free softwareMay 27 05:23
MinceR(and not against)May 27 05:23
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XRevan86schestowitz: Where did ye get the tomaw and FSF/RMS thing from?May 27 05:24
MinceRthere were also overlaps with oftc staff, who also have such people on their staff currentlyMay 27 05:24
schestowitzXRevan86: the PDFMay 27 05:24
schestowitzsee sms/messagesMay 27 05:24
schestowitz 27 05:25
schestowitzI was warned about this back in AprilMay 27 05:25
jrmuI don't know, I'm not convinced that freenode staff wanted to cancel RMSMay 27 05:25
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MinceRsome of them wanted toMay 27 05:26
MinceRthat's clearMay 27 05:26
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #NewYorkTimes #Censorship โ˜ž Indian Police Visit #Twitter Offices as #Modi Goes on #Pandemic Offense 27 05:26
jrmui can't really even trace it to current staffMay 27 05:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Indian Police Visit Twitter Offices as Modi Goes on Pandemic Offense - The New York TimesMay 27 05:26
MinceRi canMay 27 05:26
schestowitzsome didMay 27 05:26
MinceRjose antonio rey is thereMay 27 05:26
schestowitznot allMay 27 05:26
schestowitzfreenode staff is not a monopolithMay 27 05:26
schestowitzthey're not even 'proper' staffMay 27 05:26
MinceRnathan handler is there tooMay 27 05:26
schestowitzbut volunteersMay 27 05:26
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XRevan86schestowitz: Where? I see them talking about the domain access.May 27 05:28
schestowitzyeahMay 27 05:28
jrmuso I see two, nhandler and joseMay 27 05:28
jrmuthat doesn't seem like a lot and it's normal that there should be some dissentersMay 27 05:28
jrmuthere's like 20 staff and only 2 on the listMay 27 05:28
MinceRamdj (aaron jones) is there tooMay 27 05:29
MinceRrichih used to be a freenode staffer and he's on the list as wellMay 27 05:29
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jrmuwhat is richih's nick?May 27 05:30
MinceRRichiHMay 27 05:30
jrmuI can't confirm he's staff on libera.chatMay 27 05:30
MinceRi haven't seen him as staff there yetMay 27 05:30
MinceRbut he was a freenode staffer earlierMay 27 05:31
MinceRand he appears to be an oftc staffer currentlyMay 27 05:31
schestowitz"FSF situation"May 27 05:31
jrmuso 3/20 so far, that is still a really low numberMay 27 05:31
MinceRit should be 0May 27 05:31
schestowitzpage 4May 27 05:31
XRevan86Is there evidence of them translating that personal opinion into action onto freenode users?May 27 05:32
MinceRnot sureMay 27 05:32
MinceRi wouldn't trust such people with any position of authorityMay 27 05:32
schestowitzXRevan86: yes, there isMay 27 05:32
schestowitzmaybe not personallyMay 27 05:33
jrmuhm, I'm really unconvinced tbhMay 27 05:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Page 4 is Andrew (on the right) finding FSF being centralised as causing a bad situation.May 27 05:33
schestowitz 27 05:33
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techrights-botThe #G121 hearing/s commence tomorrow; thatโ€™s a good time to take stock of recent scandals, which demonstrate the โ€˜demonicโ€™ type of institution that we deal with (and workers have gotten sick of) 27 05:39
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techrights-botThe Swedish โ€˜chefโ€™ (or the regimeโ€™s protector, cooking decisions that give a veneer of legitimacy to violations of the law) deserves a song too; best sung in a heavy metal fashion #epo #haar #munich #corruption #deMay 27 05:39
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XRevan86schestowitz: The quote is hard to understand (or verify, especially by myself as I don't know what that's all even about), regardless it doesn't mention any misconduct on freenode.May 27 05:40
MinceRthe quote appears to state 2 things: a) tomaw is also involved in this and b) these people act as debian and/or gnome foundation membersMay 27 05:42
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MinceR(some of them indeed signed the letter as such)May 27 05:42
MinceRthere's also "Stew Oโ€™Connor (former Debian developer, former freenode staff)"May 27 05:45
saint_dogbertI remember Stew. He was a nice guy back then May 27 05:45
XRevan86MinceR: And that doesn't support schestowitz's timeline, no?May 27 05:54
MinceRi don't know what schestowitz's timeline isMay 27 05:55
XRevan86MinceR: After "my understanding is this".May 27 06:00
XRevan86MinceR: I ask ะพั‚ะบัƒะดะฐ ะดั€ะพะฒะธัˆะบะธ on cancelling freenode users that support RMS, and he gives that log.May 27 06:02
XRevan86And on FSF ironically the dissatisfaction in FSF is expressed not by Thomas but by Andrew.May 27 06:04
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–†โ–โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–„โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–โ–โ–…โ–ƒโ–โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–โ–„โ–…โ–โ–†โ–…โ–โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 18.58 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ– avg(k/sec) 100.06โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.36  โŸฒMay 27 06:16
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–…โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 18.81 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ– avg(k/sec) 70.43โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.40  โŸฒMay 27 07:16
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–†โ–„โ–โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ– avg(k/sec) 19.41 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 52.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.45  โŸฒMay 27 08:16
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #NBC #Monopolies โ˜ž No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to subscribe: #Amazon buys #MGM for $8.5 billion 27 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon buysย MGM for $8.5 billionMay 27 08:38
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #Monopolies โ˜ž Sen. Amy #Klobuchar calls on Justice Department to probe Amazon-MGM deal 27 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sen. Amy Klobuchar calls on Justice Department to probe Amazon-MGM deal - The VergeMay 27 08:39
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #DigitalMusicNews #Copyrights #Copyright โ˜ž #TikTok Debuts New Videos Voice Narrator After #ByteDance Sued by Actor 27 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ )May 27 08:39
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights โ˜ž Federal Court of Appeal Court Upholds Canadian Pirate Site Blocking Order 27 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal Court of Appeal Court Upholds Canadian Pirate Site Blocking Order * TorrentFreakMay 27 08:40
schestowitzXRevan86: that's not my interpretation of the FSF mentionMay 27 08:42
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schestowitzalso, remember the buggest FSF sponsor last year was rasengan or his companyMay 27 08:42
schestowitz 27 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2020 โ€” Free Software Foundation โ€” Working together for free softwareMay 27 08:43
schestowitzthe context was mention of decentralisationMay 27 08:43
schestowitzto avoid single point of failureMay 27 08:43
schestowitzI also spoke in length about this, directly with himMay 27 08:43
schestowitzhe is no foe of FSF, that's for sureMay 27 08:44
techrights-botAwesome Screenshot Tool #ksnip 1.9.0 Released with Huge Set of Updates โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Awesome Screenshot Tool ksnip 1.9.0 Released with Huge Set of Updates | Tux MachinesMay 27 08:46
techrights-bot๐•‹๐•–๐•”๐•™๐•ฃ๐•š๐•˜๐•™๐•ฅ๐•ค #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 | TechrightsMay 27 08:48
techrights-bot#righttorepair't-pass-right-to-repair,:7 Behind the scenes criminals are #lobbying 27 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lawmaker doesn't pass Right to Repair, hired by Amazon who was lobbying against Right to Repair ?May 27 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoftโ€™s War on the Right to Repair (Oneโ€™s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an โ€˜Enemyโ€™ to Microsoft | TechrightsMay 27 08:50
techrights-bot"i have noticed that #OSI is largely becoming an advertising vector for #tidelift " -a #techrights source. For those who don't know, it's connected to the people who sold #redhat to #ibmMay 27 08:54
techrights-bot"we presently are going through a lot of changes. i don't like that #linuxfoundation has become the default shell company for FOSS; however, i trust them more than i do #SFC " -Source on #shellgames in #freesw and #linuxMay 27 08:56
techrights-bot"i do find it ironic that most of the office staff at LF use macs though" -Source on #linuxfoundation (LF) which does not even use #linux ... not he board, not the management, not even full-time staffMay 27 08:58
techrights-bot"when profitability is incorporated into the design decisions of technology, you get systemd" -Anon. #redhat #ibm #systemdMay 27 09:06
techrights-bot#ibm "Short term is maybe ok if thereโ€™s nothing better. Longer term is not good with constant RAs. Start building skills & look for a company thatโ€™s not struggling quarter to quarter." 27 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How good is IBM for newbies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 09:08
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux โ˜ž Debugging embedded software with Raspberry Pi Pico 27 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debugging embedded software with Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry PiMay 27 09:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–†โ–„โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–โ–„โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 17.70 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–ˆโ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 78.68โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.50  โŸฒMay 27 09:16
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Tor โ˜ž Announcing new Board members 27 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Announcing new Board members | Tor BlogMay 27 09:17
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopoly โ˜ž Opinion | Making #Vaccines More Accessible in an Unequal Society 27 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | Making Vaccines More Accessible in an Unequal SocietyMay 27 09:21
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams โ˜ž 'Let Us Globalize Compassion': Nobel Laureate Urges World Leaders to Waive #Vaccine #Patents 27 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Let Us Globalize Compassion': Nobel Laureate Urges World Leaders to Waive Vaccine Patents | Common Dreams NewsMay 27 09:22
techrights-botContrary to false narratives from #corporateMedia , as iophk puts it, "attack" != "compromised", except for #Microsoft productsMay 27 09:25
psydroid<techrights-bot "#oraclr bought SPARC but promote"> SPARC has some downsides such as register windows and delay slots, but those could have been overcome in a new version of the ISA. The momentum among developers seems to be lost, though.May 27 09:32
psydroidFujitsu said they moved to ARM because customers were asking for it due to software support. The natural ISA to move to from SPARC would be RISC-V (many of the same people are involved), but I suppose there aren't competitive chips yet, so ARM is the best alternative right now.May 27 09:33
techrights-bot#BSDNow 404 #bsd #unixMay 27 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BSD Now 404: 404 BSD Now Hosts Not FoundMay 27 09:33
schestowitzpsydroid: soon nvidiaMay 27 09:35
techrights-botShame on #cnxsoftware for getting back to #microsoft spam. "Sponsored Post" is NOT even a post, it's just pure spam, promotion of #ProprietarySoftware and #malware ... please don't do things like these... they'll doom the whole site.May 27 09:40
techrights-botbash: syntax error near unexpected token `;&'May 27 09:43
techrights-botbash: syntax error near unexpected token `;&'May 27 09:43
techrights-bot#gnu program, not "Linux command" 27 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Less Command with Example โ€“ Linux HintMay 27 09:44
techrights-botMore and more of #ibm #redhat sites block access unless you run #ProprietarySoftware #javascript ... it's like they don't know where Red Hat came from... or Red Hat doesn't stand for anything anymore.May 27 09:50
schestowitz 27 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What is a ROM Image? โ€“ Linux HintMay 27 09:52
schestowitz"Generally, downloading ROMs from the internet or any other form of digital media is not legal. However, for the love of retro games and because original ROM images come at a cost, many ROMs are downloaded illegally. Sales and revenues of game companies have greatly suffered due to unauthorized downloads. Because of this, copyright holders have been taking stringent actions to prevent unauthorized release and downloads of their May 27 09:52
schestowitzsoftware, particularly the ROM images of arcades or video games. Nintendo, for example, had sued two emulator websites in 2018 for illegally distributing their copyrighted ROMs. Other companies included security features in their products to prevent unauthorized copying of their software. For instance, Capcom had included a protection algorithm to prevent illegal distribution of their software in their arcade games."May 27 09:52
techrights-botAll the players got to have a kick 27 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Epic penalty shoot-out IN FULL! ๐Ÿคฏ Villarreal beat Manchester United 11-10 from the spot! - YouTubeMay 27 09:56
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techrights-bot#geminispace mailing lists quieter lately, but in #techrights we see more unique IPs than ever, also close to 150k page requests this month #geminiProtocol #internetMay 27 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Gemini 2021 Archive by threadMay 27 10:28
techrights-bot"Today marks the 18th anniversary of WordPressโ€™ launch, a day that I fondly refer to as WordPressโ€™ birthday, which means WordPress is 6,575 days old." #tuxmachines will turn 17 shortly. 27 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News โ€“ WordPress at 18 โ€“ WordPress.orgMay 27 10:37
techrights-botGIMPโ€™s โ€˜Wokeโ€™ Fork Glimpse is Getting Discontinued there was never a compelling reason or purpose for this fork in the first placeMay 27 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software and More | Tux MachinesMay 27 10:40
techrights-botPunished for downloading #Ubuntu via torrent #gnu #linuxMay 27 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux MachinesMay 27 10:45
techrights-botold: USA and #gnu #linux #copyright #monopoly #freeswMay 27 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Watching DVDs on Linux is Illegal in the USAMay 27 10:57
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techrights-bot"They got the mother lode": Former federal prosecutor says grand jury has "everything" on Trump 27 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"They got the mother lode": Former federal prosecutor says grand jury has "everything" on Trump | Salon.comMay 27 10:58
techrights-botFor your patents to apply in Europe, you need European patents, and I doubt you are allowed to file them in an MS proprietary format." nope. False. #epo is even worse than #uspto 27 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Locking USPTO Patent Filings into Microsoft with DOCX - SoylentNewsMay 27 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law โ€” Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | TechrightsMay 27 10:59
techrights-bot2020: โ€œIt seems very much apparent that the EPO is shamelessly pushing Microsoftโ€™s OOXML (proprietary format with vendor lock-in, security issues and so on) instead of vendor-neutral open standards.โ€ 27 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Evidence of Profound European Patent Office Corruption in Official Journal 4/2020 | TechrightsMay 27 11:00
techrights-bot#snowden #surveillance #privacy #spying #espionage 27 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jean-Michel Jarre, Edward Snowden - Exit - YouTubeMay 27 11:01
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 27 11:04
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Techdirt โ˜ž 27 'Right To Repair' Laws Proposed This Year. Giants Like #Apple and #Microsoft Have Ensured None Have Passed So Far. 27 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-27 'Right To Repair' Laws Proposed This Year. Giants Like Apple Have Ensured None Have Passed So Far. | TechdirtMay 27 11:06
techrights-bot#patents in #standards are submarine #patent #monopolies and ought to be brought down, universally see 27 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SEP wars: โ€˜no peaceโ€™ in Germany until CJEU ruling | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 27 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European FRAND (Related to SEP) Proponent and Famed Programmer Comes to Realise That Itโ€™s Actually a โ€œScamโ€ | TechrightsMay 27 11:07
kingoffranceits kind of sad uspto  things dont change much x years later 27 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | About Open Government | The White HouseMay 27 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Government Directive | The White HouseMay 27 11:08
kingoffranceits all "open" supposedlyMay 27 11:08
kingoffrancethere may even be an earlier "open government directive"May 27 11:08
techrights-bot#Entroware Poseidon is a #GNU #Linux PC Powered by an 11th-Gen Intel CPU 27 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Entroware Proteus is a Linux Laptop for Getting Things Done | Tux MachinesMay 27 11:09
kingoffrancequoth footnote "The Federal Government has defined information in OMB Circular A-130, โ€œManagement of Federal Information Resources,โ€ as any communication or representation of knowledge such as facts, data, or opinions presented in any medium or format. "May 27 11:09
kingoffrancelest anyone think that is not techMay 27 11:09
kingoffranceor that it is just websites etc.May 27 11:09
kingoffranceanyhow, ooxml probably violates their own "directives"May 27 11:10
kingoffrancenevermind anything elseMay 27 11:10
techrights-bot#EPO #propaganda outlet continues to spread propaganda, for the second time this week see 27 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Remote litigation is here to stay โ€“ hereโ€™s how to adapt | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 27 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Propaganda, Looking to Legitimise a Rigged Panel of Judges, Starts With Author Who Did Puff Pieces With Antรณnio Campinos | TechrightsMay 27 11:11
kingoffranceand likewise, there may be later "open directives" tooMay 27 11:12
techrights-bot"Remote #litigation is here to stay" is a false assumption, it is illegal, but it is being promoted by those with stakes in breaking the law. 27 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPOโ€™s War on Justice and Assault on the Law โ€” Part 20: Summing up | TechrightsMay 27 11:13
schestowitzkingoffrance: but the O is for "Open"May 27 11:14
schestowitzObama May 27 11:14
schestowitzOOXMLMay 27 11:14
schestowitzOpenATMicrosoftMay 27 11:14
schestowitzthe person who came up with this is a marketing personMay 27 11:14
schestowitzfrom EdelmanMay 27 11:14
schestowitzmoved to MicrosoftMay 27 11:14
schestowitznot bosses TorvaldsMay 27 11:14
schestowitzin management team of LFMay 27 11:14
schestowitzand openJSMay 27 11:15
schestowitzmarketing peopleMay 27 11:15
schestowitz"OpenATMicrosoft"May 27 11:15
schestowitzIt's all MARKETINGMay 27 11:15
schestowitz"openJS"May 27 11:15
schestowitzwhere JS is almost always propietaryMay 27 11:15
schestowitzjust openwashMay 27 11:15
kingoffrancei just remember it was a huge discussion when ooxml first came out, and this was pointed outMay 27 11:15
kingoffranceyet it rolls onMay 27 11:15
techrights-bot#theregister is promoting lies about what #microsoft #ooxml actually is. In relation to #uspto 27 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fall of The Register | TechrightsMay 27 11:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–†โ–โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–โ–„โ–ƒโ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–…โ–โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 20.63 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 38.00โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.54  โŸฒMay 27 11:16
schestowitz[11:14] <schestowitz> not bosses TorvaldsMay 27 11:16
schestowitzNow bossesMay 27 11:16
schestowitzRobinMay 27 11:17
schestowitzTorvalds bossed by marketing peopleMay 27 11:17
psydroid 27 11:17
schestowitzhow the fork did he allow himself and his project to be put in such a sad and sordid situationMay 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ODF | Forum StandaardisatieMay 27 11:17
schestowitzlike RMS allowing into the FSF people who ought not have been there in the first placeMay 27 11:18
schestowitzwhile his SPONSORS from IBM/Red Hat say things like "diversity"May 27 11:18
schestowitzinstead of "freedom"May 27 11:18
schestowitzas if the goals of FSF are not software freedomMay 27 11:18
schestowitzbut some political issues like superficial balancing not based on principles but identityMay 27 11:18
zoobabregistered for EPO's streaming tomorrow on Vico and BOAMay 27 11:19
schestowitzzoobab: put that online when you canMay 27 11:20
schestowitzthen we can scrutiniseMay 27 11:20
zoobabTOS said you cannot recordMay 27 11:20
schestowitzwith swpats ritzkaMay 27 11:20
schestowitzand see how truly obedient to jossefsonMay 27 11:20
schestowitzcame from a swpats lobbying firmMay 27 11:21
schestowitzbefore becoming a judgeMay 27 11:21
zoobabalso I might be on my bike at that timeMay 27 11:21
schestowitznow pushing swpatsMay 27 11:21
zoobabwhich law firm?May 27 11:21
schestowitzzoobab: details here 27 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPOโ€™s War on Justice and Assault on the Law โ€” Part 13: Internal Members: Gunnar Eliasson and Andrea Ritzka | TechrightsMay 27 11:21
zoobabBOA invented all those swpat workarounds May 27 11:21
schestowitz[11:20] <zoobab> TOS said you cannot recordMay 27 11:21
schestowitzhahaMay 27 11:21
schestowitzI say they cannot stack courtsMay 27 11:21
schestowitzlike Microsoft ilk threatening me for publishing OOXMLMay 27 11:22
schestowitzit's "open"May 27 11:22
schestowitzbut secret...May 27 11:22
schestowitzzoobab: if you record, they cannot tell who recordedMay 27 11:23
schestowitzand it can be published from any random account, at least selective portions of itMay 27 11:23
schestowitzcall it "Fair use" under "Criticism"May 27 11:23
zoobabI might be on my bike tomorrow, depending on the weatherMay 27 11:24
schestowitzanyway, consider grabbing copies of relevant partsMay 27 11:24
schestowitzmaybe not for disseminationMay 27 11:24
schestowitzI can watch it 'offline'May 27 11:24
schestowitzand then turn the speech into textMay 27 11:24
schestowitzfor key partsMay 27 11:24
schestowitzthey will be doing theatreMay 27 11:25
schestowitzlike the stenography at EPO last monthMay 27 11:25
schestowitzprepared statementsMay 27 11:25
*jrmu (jrmu@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-goqhfytsriapsncc) has left #techrightsMay 27 11:25
schestowitzchoreographedMay 27 11:25
schestowitzthe case was already decidedMay 27 11:25
schestowitzit's only about how they present or deliver it nowMay 27 11:25
schestowitzpure corruptionMay 27 11:25
zoobabwe've been there with the Council during the swpat theatreMay 27 11:25
schestowitzI don't care about their ToSMay 27 11:25
zoobaball prepared in advanceMay 27 11:25
schestowitzusing ToS to hide abuse isn't OKMay 27 11:25
schestowitzusing lawfare to undermine the law itselfMay 27 11:26
schestowitzit'll be funny to see clips of judges readying scriptsMay 27 11:26
schestowitzinstead of talking like human beingsMay 27 11:26
schestowitzso having even short clips would helpMay 27 11:26
schestowitzand would entertain EPO staff for sureMay 27 11:26
zoobabthe big question is whether those judges can be brought to another court in case they are not independentMay 27 11:27
zoobabfor example challenging them at the ECHRMay 27 11:27
zoobabthe rest does not matter muchMay 27 11:27
zoobabJosefsson selected some UPC judgesMay 27 11:27
zoobab 27 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - G 1/21May 27 11:28
schestowitzit's all riggedMay 27 11:29
schestowitzexcept maybe 1 or at most 2 judgesMay 27 11:29
schestowitzArnoldMay 27 11:29
schestowitzand MAYBE the Greek oneMay 27 11:29
schestowitz 27 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPOโ€™s War on Justice and Assault on the Law โ€” Part 17: The External Members: Evangelos Chatzikos and Richard Arnold | TechrightsMay 27 11:30
schestowitzplease considering recording some bitsMay 27 11:30
schestowitzzoobab: how long are those hearings?May 27 11:30
schestowitzand when is a decision expectedc?May 27 11:30
techrights-botToday in #Techrights โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesMay 27 11:33
techrights-botHey, #redhat ... that helped #ibm IMPOSE #ProprietarySoftware and #surveillance at the homes of your staff. How about that? 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How remote work helped us improve collaboration: 4 lessons | The Enterprisers ProjectMay 27 11:35
zoobabI don't think you need any code to register on the video streamMay 27 11:35
zoobabprobably for their IT guys to guess the dimensioning of the streamingMay 27 11:36
zoobabthey did the same for the sumulation decisionMay 27 11:36
techrights-botPort operating systems to new chip architectures | โš“ ไท‰ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #LinuxMay 27 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Port operating systems to new chip architectures | Opensource.comMay 27 11:36
techrights-botProcessing modular and dynamic configuration files in shell #programmingMay 27 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Processing modular and dynamic configuration files in shell | Opensource.comMay 27 11:37
techrights-botHow #GNULinux made a school pandemic-ready โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Linux made a school pandemic-ready | Tux MachinesMay 27 11:38
schestowitzzoobab: well, need more insight into what goes on thereMay 27 11:40
schestowitzsaying it's "open" because you can watch under a sort of ""NDA"" is not "open"May 27 11:40
schestowitzit's just a secretive rubber-stamping courtMay 27 11:40
schestowitzlike FISC/FISAMay 27 11:40
schestowitzyou might need to 'upset' the kangaroos a bit if you want to defeat illegal software patentsMay 27 11:41
schestowitzotherwise they'll just hide and do injustice in the darknessMay 27 11:41
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techrights-botA bunch of releases from the #Pallets projects #flask #python #programmingMay 27 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A bunch of releases from the Pallets projects []May 27 11:44
schestowitzzoobab: this time they got caught with BOTH hands deep in the COOKIE jarMay 27 11:44
schestowitzand this is our chance to end this illusion that they have legitimacyMay 27 11:44
schestowitzand if you don't take advantage this time around, it may take years until the next opportunityMay 27 11:45
schestowitzthey know they are watchMay 27 11:45
schestowitzso they might even upset the apple cart and vote "no"May 27 11:45
schestowitzat the very least to save faceMay 27 11:45
zoobabthe only question is which court is responsible in case there is wrong doing at BOAMay 27 11:46
schestowitzYou don't change the system by obeying every law this very same system imposes on youMay 27 11:46
schestowitzthey want to protect themselvesMay 27 11:46
schestowitzat least take clipsMay 27 11:46
schestowitzor convert to audio/textMay 27 11:46
zoobabI don't know how it works in different countries to revoke judges, maybe constitutional courts have to deal with those problems?May 27 11:46
schestowitzthere are FCC complaintsMay 27 11:46
schestowitzAbout BoAMay 27 11:47
schestowitzbut that's too slowMay 27 11:47
zoobabit is, from 2010May 27 11:47
schestowitzthe court of public opinion is betterMay 27 11:47
schestowitzget us some scripts from the 'hearing'May 27 11:47
schestowitzin haaaaringMay 27 11:47
zoobabin my belgian UPC complaint of 2015, I was already citing those pending decisionsMay 27 11:47
zoobabI guess the reason why it is taking so long is that either:May 27 11:48
zoobab* the court is divided on what to decideMay 27 11:48
zoobab* the court is busy with other casesMay 27 11:48
zoobabbecauseMay 27 11:48
zoobabthose BoA complaints were prior to Stjerna's complaint of 2017May 27 11:48
zoobabbut they are definitely on the agenda for this year, probably blowing away the UPC project as wellMay 27 11:49
zoobabthat's what we said in our open letter to the Bundestag, wait for those decisions, but they were constrained by BrexitMay 27 11:49
zoobabat least they thought they were constrained by BrexitMay 27 11:50
schestowitzI see...May 27 11:51
schestowitzanyway...May 27 11:52
schestowitzconsider recording for us allMay 27 11:52
schestowitzyou don't change the system by obeying UNJUST rulesMay 27 11:52
schestowitzuncreasonable rulesMay 27 11:52
schestowitzBLM: let's protest!May 27 11:52
schestowitzyou: BUT IT'S ILLEGAL!!May 27 11:52
schestowitz[another cops kills another person]May 27 11:52
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schestowitzI got some threats for 'leaking' OOXMLMay 27 11:53
zoobabI rememberMay 27 11:53
schestowitzbut they didn't follow up on the threatsMay 27 11:53
schestowitzbullies with lawyersMay 27 11:53
zoobabthis discussion about not being able to have a public document to comment onMay 27 11:53
schestowitzthat's just what they areMay 27 11:53
schestowitzand now OOXML imposed by USPTOMay 27 11:53
zoobabISO has not learned from their mistakesMay 27 11:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updatedx2) | TechrightsMay 27 11:54
zoobabI regret not to have sued Microsoft back in the OOXML daysMay 27 11:54
zoobabnow it's DOCX all over the placeMay 27 11:54
schestowitzeven worseMay 27 11:55
schestowitzthey infiltrate our groupsMay 27 11:55
schestowitzOSI, LF etc.May 27 11:55
schestowitzthey turned into Microsoft advocacy frontsMay 27 11:55
schestowitzyou were not combative enough at FFIIMay 27 11:55
schestowitz(imho)May 27 11:55
schestowitzyou can't fight criminals like Microsoft by being softMay 27 11:56
schestowitzthey laugh you offMay 27 11:56
schestowitz 27 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law โ€” Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and โ€œSlush Fundsโ€ | TechrightsMay 27 11:56
schestowitzthey shit in your lawn and ask for toilet paperMay 27 11:56
schestowitzwe need to up our gameMay 27 11:56
schestowitz[08:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> we presently are going through a lot of changes.  i don't like that linux foundation has become the default shell company for FOSSMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> however, i trust them more than i do SFCMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:30] <schestowitz__> I follow your blog over RSS nowMay 27 11:57
zoobabwe should go to court more oftenMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:30] <schestowitz__> LF does hold a lot of moneyMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:30] <schestowitz__> some people in LF are OKMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:30] <schestowitz__> but fewer of them left over timeMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:30] <schestowitz__> the seats are for sale, literallyMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:31] <schestowitz__> laid off withotu notice all staffMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:31] <schestowitz__> jack wallen, carla (tuxchick)...May 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:31] <schestowitz__> LF works closely with ZDNetMay 27 11:57
schestowitz[08:31] <schestowitz__> IBM and Microsoft sponsor that tooMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz__> they share the zeitgeist that wayMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz__> *ShapeMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz__> and same in techRepublic (ZDNet with another brand)May 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> at least somebody is shaping itMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that was 100% my criticism of RMSMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz__> we need rebuttals thoughMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> the media is imbalancedMay 27 11:58
schestowitz[08:33] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is not surprising that in the vacuum of leadership at FSF (which ironically just certified a router as RYF-approved that requires binary blobs to boot) that people started their own foundations to replace itMay 27 11:58
schestowitzthe courrs are bias and expensive, zoobabMay 27 11:58
schestowitzthey control them in several waysMay 27 11:58
schestowitzwe can do activism also outside the "legal" systemMay 27 11:58
schestowitzwhich they bought and paid forMay 27 11:58
zoobabway cheaperMay 27 11:58
zoobabthey were complaints against OFE and EU lobbying from american corporations (IBM/LF)May 27 11:59
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> 100% botched smear campaigns almostMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> and I'm told Twitter did the sameMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> trying to replace things is commonMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> not an FSF-unique problemMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:33] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> indeed notMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:33] <schestowitz__> people vying for power from withinMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:34] <schestowitz__> like many who defected away from DebianMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:34] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but a lot of people are mad that things aren't done at FSF so much anymoreMay 27 12:00
schestowitz[08:34] <schestowitz__> we encouraged more federation and collaborationMay 27 12:00
schestowitzzoobab: you might want to see this about IBM:May 27 12:00
schestowitzrecent discussionMay 27 12:00
zoobablook at the swpat issue in the US, FSF is powerlessMay 27 12:00
zoobabI have seen the layoffs postsMay 27 12:00
zoobabthey excuse to buy RH for Openshift with "Hybrid cloud" was laughable May 27 12:01
schestowitzyeahMay 27 12:01
schestowitzRed Hat in troubleMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:34] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (i do find it ironic that most of the office staff at LF use macs though)May 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:34] <schestowitz__> instead  there's lots of infightingMay 27 12:01
zoobabstill have to see in practiceMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:34] <schestowitz__> and the monopolies use their money to encourage the infightingMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that seems to largely be IBMMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> IBM mostly gives money to LF so that they can try to buy their projects into LF initiativesMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:36] <schestowitz__> they doMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <schestowitz__> all this word stuff is IBMMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <schestowitz__> it came from IBMMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <schestowitz__> they no longer even hide itMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxxx basically became the distro of choice for LF projects because it's independentMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <schestowitz__> in recent months they got sloppyMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if you look at CNCF for example, or LF-Edge projectsMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> IBM shows up and tries to cram their shitMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and it gets rebuffedMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> because nobody wants it :DMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so really, IBM is spending money and still losingMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:37] <schestowitz__> They get edged outMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz__> more layers of complexityMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz__> like openshiftMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yeah, LF projects don't want thatMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz__> more LOCs != betterMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> they want simpleMay 27 12:01
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz__> I still use lots of CLI stuffMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz__> some I code myselfMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> which is why its xxxx running on windmillsMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and not redhatMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :)May 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <schestowitz__> redhat aims at cars nowMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> thats coolMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i don't want xxxx on carsMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <schestowitz__> systemd: aborting. cannot shut down engine.May 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i mean i am sure somebody will do itMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but i don't think linux should be on carsMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <schestowitz__> it already isMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> except like in the radio and shitMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <schestowitz__> infotainmentMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yeah thats fineMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <schestowitz__> (buzzword)May 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but like teslaMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the autopilot shitMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> is running on linuxMay 27 12:02
schestowitz[08:40] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and that is a nope from meMay 27 12:02
schestowitzI thought about doing an articleMay 27 12:02
schestowitzregarding IBM and Red HatMay 27 12:02
schestowitzbut I wait to see if there's EPO stuff to coverMay 27 12:02
zoobabI seriously miss CoreOSMay 27 12:02
schestowitzmuch higher priorityMay 27 12:02
schestowitzthey killed CoreOSMay 27 12:03
schestowitzmany people only noticed when CentOS was killedMay 27 12:03
schestowitzbecause it had tons of usersMay 27 12:03
schestowitz[08:41] <schestowitz__> because the small circuits are powerful enough nowMay 27 12:03
schestowitz[08:41] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway, i think it is pretty funnyMay 27 12:03
schestowitz[08:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the systemd crowd, they think they are winningMay 27 12:03
schestowitz[08:42] <schestowitz__> it does spread a lotMay 27 12:04
schestowitz[08:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> while slowly xxxxx has just chipped awayMay 27 12:04
zoobabI was doing the friday meetup before Fosdem, where all the core devs of CoreOS were happy to get some money out of itMay 27 12:04
techrights-bot8 Best Free #GNULinux e-book Tools โ€“ Updated 2021 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 12:08
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techrights-bot#Kaboxer - Kali Applications Boxer โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 12:08
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techrights-bot#LWN on #Kernel : Linux 5.13, Sticky Groups, #BPF โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 12:09
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techrights-bot"A fresh college grad would be crazy to spend more than 2-3 years at their first job anywhere. Get skills and resume experience, hop to another job, and double your salary. For this #IBM is as good as anywhere so long as you focus on getting the skills you want." 27 12:18
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techrights-bot"I would expect #IBM to treat it like any other retiree benefit. If you are eligible to retire when you leave IBM for #Kyndryl , you get it. If you canโ€™t retire from IBM when you transition to Kyndryl, you donโ€™t" 27 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FHA account after kyndryl transition - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 12:18
techrights-botOlder: #ibm lays off 'expensive' workers will another round be announced later today as rumoured?May 27 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report: IBM lines up 10K job cuts across Europe | FierceTelecomMay 27 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Layoffs in Europe Target 10,000 Workers in Advance of SpinoffMay 27 12:19
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #Techdirt #proprietarysoftware โ˜ž #EFF Tells Court Defendants Must Be Allowed To Examine The DNA Software Used To Convict Them so @eff why do you attack #freesw h 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EFF Tells Court Defendants Must Be Allowed To Examine The DNA Software Used To Convict Them | TechdirtMay 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | TechrightsMay 27 12:22
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TruthOut โ˜ž #LizWarren and Progressives Mount Major Push to Break Up Facebook and Amazon what about #microsoft h Well, Warren hired some 'moles' from there...May 27 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Warren and Progressives Mount Major Push to Break Up Facebook and AmazonMay 27 12:23
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 12:24
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techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CounterPunch โ˜ž The Nazi Past of US Geopolitics see #ibm for example: 27 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Nazi Past of US Geopolitics - CounterPunch.orgMay 27 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 27 12:29
techrights-bot"An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" still growing. 6,717 signatures. Don't let it be forgotten how a mob led by front groups of companies like #google #microsoft and #ibm staged a coup against #fsf (via #rms as scapegoat, distracting from the real offenders)May 27 12:31
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware #Microsoft #zdnet going soft on these criminals still... because those criminals fund ZDNet 27 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emails landing in junk due to Microsoft Office 365 'change' | ZDNetMay 27 12:33
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techrights-bot"Unlike certain other games of the genre (hi Among Us), you will see full #GNU #Linux support for Space Betrayers which they proudly state very clearly on their Patreon page and it's listed in the Steam system requirements too." 27 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Space Betrayers mixes together a card game, crisis management and social deduction | GamingOnLinuxMay 27 12:35
techrights-botUK-based #Entroware launch the Poseidon desktop #gnu #linuxMay 27 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Entroware Proteus is a Linux Laptop for Getting Things Done | Tux MachinesMay 27 12:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FreenodeMay 27 12:40
schestowitz"This is now over and done with. What's happening with Freenode is a shitstorm -- one that could easily have been fixed if one particular person were to step down a few days ago, but by now is a lost cause."May 27 12:40
schestowitzfirst the media handled it badlyMay 27 12:43
schestowitzthen it was handled poorly by freenode's new staff, tooMay 27 12:43
schestowitznot much left to sayMay 27 12:43
schestowitznot sure an apology would undo teh damageMay 27 12:44
techrights-bot#Games : Backbone, Space Betrayers, and The Garden Path โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 12:44
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techrights-botLinks 27/5/2021: WordPress at 18 and GNU/Linux in Schools โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 13:04
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techrights-botTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 13:06
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techrights-bot#Devices and #Repairs โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 13:06
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techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 13:06
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techrights-botFirm that lobbies for #softwarepatents profits from #patenttrolls #litigating in Europe. This #patentTroll is armed by #Microsoft see 27 13:23
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techrights-bot#HowTo Sign the Letter in Support of Richard Stallman Without Microsoftโ€™s GitHub โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 14:20
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schestowitzis josely staff?May 27 14:48
schestowitzor am I remembering wrong?May 27 14:48
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techrights-botWhen the Lips of #AntรณnioCampinos Move... #epo #corruption #europe #euMay 27 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked โ€“ Gentoo LinuxMay 27 15:17
schestowitzrasengan's mistakeMay 27 15:25
schestowitzhe took responsibility May 27 15:25
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techrights-botManaging Perceptions for the EPOโ€™s Regime #epo #managingIP #corruption #propaganda #coverupMay 27 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Managing Perceptions for the EPOโ€™s Regime | TechrightsMay 27 15:26
schestowitzlooking at it now, with all the scrolling, we might want to split off the intros from the latest stories (new/separate pages, then brush up the summaries and make them non-technical)May 27 15:29
techrights-botWhat to expect from Debian/bullseye #newinbullseye โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #debianMay 27 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What to expect from Debian/bullseye #newinbullseye | Tux MachinesMay 27 15:33
techrights-bot#Kvarken 4.1.0 brings full #Sailfish 64-bit support to Sony Xperia 10 II โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kvarken 4.1.0 brings full Sailfish 64-bit support to Sony Xperia 10 II | Tux MachinesMay 27 15:33
techrights-botNew instructions for those who want to combat a censorious trend that seeks to annul, based on lies, voices of #softwarefreedom advocacy #rms #gnu #freeswMay 27 15:36
techrights-bot#AntรณnioCampinos is so full of himself that heโ€™s attacking staff and destroying the Office while claiming the very opposite (with a straight face) โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #patents | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 15:37
techrights-bot#ManagingPerceptions for the EPOโ€™s Regime โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #patents managingIP | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini:// 27 15:37
techrights-bot#Brazil Supreme Court rules #patent extensions keep drug prices from being affordable. #patentsMay 27 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brazil Says Long-term Drug Patent Extensions are Unconstitutional -May 27 15:39
techrights-bot#epo #propaganda outlets pretend that a country is to be assessed only based on prospect of #patent litigation there. What an absurd perspective. 27 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United Kingdom โ€“ clouded in uncertainty | IAMMay 27 15:42
techrights-botInfluence upon Policy of Average Citizens, Economic Elites, and Interest Groups Influence upon Policy of Average Citizens, Economic Elites, and Interest GroupsMay 27 15:43
techrights-botInfluence upon Policy of Average Citizens, Economic Elites, and Interest Groups 27 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge CoreMay 27 15:44
techrights-botDidn't the #fraud who run #Tesla said he would quit all this #patent nonsense? What's the point of all this? #Openwashing in addition to his #greenwashing h 27 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tesla structural battery pack patent hints at clever contingencies for crashes, cell failuresMay 27 15:45
techrights-botMaybe #IAM should explain to its readers that #Germany openly embraced #corruption at the #EPO to have "established itself as the continentโ€™s go-to patent venue" see 27 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Germany โ€“ at the heart of Europe | IAMMay 27 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag โ€” Part 20: Taking Stock | TechrightsMay 27 15:48
techrights-bot#IAM speaks about rushed judgment or wrong judgement as if it's something to be celebrated... because money trumps justice? see 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | China โ€“ time is money | IAMMay 27 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IAM - TechrightsMay 27 15:50
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techrights-botHow to install Firefox on a Chromebook better wipe #chromeOS and install a 'proper' #gnu #linux distro as most contain #Firefox by defaultMay 27 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Firefox on a Chromebook | TechRadarMay 27 15:52
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schestowitzCrystalMath: meeting today fro #gnu and #fsfMay 27 15:59
CrystalMathrightMay 27 16:00
CrystalMathi just woke upMay 27 16:00
CrystalMathi slept 13 hoursMay 27 16:00
schestowitzthey should stay hereMay 27 16:00
schestowitzmany projects will followMay 27 16:00
schestowitzPIA paid FSF last yearMay 27 16:00
schestowitzbut that's not the pointMay 27 16:00
schestowitzrasengan has remorse and regrets (expressed here) for the flippant move that caused many to panic or react in angerMay 27 16:01
schestowitzhe should have consulted users before doing itMay 27 16:01
CrystalMathhe already spoke about those on #fsfMay 27 16:01
schestowitzthe libera people signed ant-FSF lettersMay 27 16:01
CrystalMaththey seem to be awareMay 27 16:01
MinceRthey certainly shouldn't move to oftc or libera -- those are their enemiesMay 27 16:01
schestowitzand some of them work also in other IRC networksMay 27 16:01
schestowitzand censor pro-RMS peopleMay 27 16:01
CrystalMathso did OFTC peopleMay 27 16:01
schestowitzfreenode is safer for FSF IMHOMay 27 16:01
CrystalMathabsolutelyMay 27 16:02
schestowitzyes, OFTCMay 27 16:02
schestowitzsame volunteers who were in freenode until recentlyMay 27 16:02
schestowitzmake sure FSF knows thatMay 27 16:02
schestowitzCrystalMath: if needed, I can give linkMay 27 16:02
schestowitzI am 'at work' this eveningMay 27 16:02
schestowitzso cannot attend there myselfMay 27 16:02
schestowitz 27 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | TechrightsMay 27 16:03
schestowitzcovers OFTC and freenode's OLD staffMay 27 16:03
schestowitzI removed he names from itMay 27 16:03
schestowitzbut those people are no longer in freenodeMay 27 16:03
schestowitzFSF and GNU comms must NOT be controlled by people who defame RMSMay 27 16:03
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schestowitzand want to undermine their goalsMay 27 16:03
schestowitzI dread the idea of those thugs in "Ethics" clothing controlling FSF commsMay 27 16:04
schestowitzand banning people etc.May 27 16:04
schestowitzbecause of some "ism"May 27 16:04
techrights-bot#Quake II RTX Performance For #AMD #Radeon 6000 Series vs. #NVIDIA On #Linux 27 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Quake II RTX Performance For AMD Radeon 6000 Series vs. NVIDIA On Linux - PhoronixMay 27 16:05
techrights-botOutbreak: Endless Nightmares arrives on #GNU #Linux in the latest update 27 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Outbreak: Endless Nightmares arrives on Linux in the latest update | GamingOnLinuxMay 27 16:06
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techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:12
techrights-bot#IBMNUX 27 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Essentials - systemd: Using the systemctl command - YouTubeMay 27 16:14
baronhk[m]schestowitz: 27 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Artificial Intelligence (AI) -or- โ€œLook, Iโ€™m not stupid. They canโ€™t make things like that yet.โ€ โ€“ BaronHK's RantsMay 27 16:14
techrights-botThis is more posing and posturing from #mozilla which neither respects your privacy nor really cares about Facebook's surveillance; in fact Mozilla added several people from Facebook to its management after the CA scandal. see 27 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Our approach to advertising on Facebook platforms - The Mozilla BlogMay 27 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wonโ€™t Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | TechrightsMay 27 16:18
techrights-bot#Utopixel blog about porting their title Outer Wonders to Linux | GamingOnLinux โš“ ไท‰ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesMay 27 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Utopixel blog about porting their title Outer Wonders to Linux | GamingOnLinuxMay 27 16:21
baronhk[m]SlimSocial in the F-Droid store is the best way to log into Facebook on Android if you're going to.May 27 16:21
schestowitzwho me??May 27 16:21
schestowitz:-DMay 27 16:21
schestowitzFB logs me regardlessMay 27 16:21
baronhk[m]It's 100 KB and basically just reformats their site into an app and tricks Messenger into working.May 27 16:22
schestowitzit has trackers in loads of sitesMay 27 16:22
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: for nowMay 27 16:22
schestowitzin FB's TODO listMay 27 16:22
schestowitzunder "things to break"May 27 16:22
baronhk[m]Facebook made "Facebook Lite" work in all countries, but it's not lightweight and it still uses a lot of data. Facebook's app has removed the ability to open links in your own web browser, because they want to load Facebook ads into the websites of their "partners".May 27 16:23
baronhk[m]It fakes them out as "Chrome on Windows".May 27 16:23
baronhk[m]It's pretty much just a shim.May 27 16:23
techrights-bot"Given that game porter / developer Feral Interactive continue to have a great relationship with Creative Assembly, and were responsible for the great #GNULinux port of Total War: THREE KINGDOMS - we can probably expect a #GNU #Linux port of the next one." 27 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Creative Assembly in pre-production for the next Total War: THREE KINGDOMS | GamingOnLinuxMay 27 16:23
techrights-bot#femmewashing by litigious and aggressive law firms, looking to frame their #blackmail and #extortion activities by (in effect) hijacking #feminism -- the typical corporate abuse/misuse/co-opting of social causes 27 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Women in Business Law Awards Americas 2021: live awards ceremony | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 27 16:27
techrights-botFake 'awards' and fake 'endorsements' (paid-for crap, badge of honour on sale) from something called "EUROMONEY INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR PLC AND INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR..." (it's a #marketing outfit disguised as news or other stuff) 27 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rising Stars Awards 2021: announcement and update | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 27 16:29
baronhk[m]<schestowitz "it has trackers in loads of site"> So, break them.May 27 16:29
techrights-bot#Games : Quake II RTX, Outbreak: Endless Nightmares, and More โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 16:29
baronhk[m]Of course, that only works to an extent.May 27 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Quake II RTX, Outbreak: Endless Nightmares, and More | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:29
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:29
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: disabling JS is the first stepMay 27 16:30
schestowitzusing gemini where possible is anotherMay 27 16:30
baronhk[m]Browsers leak out so much data that given enough bits you can usually isolate a user from that.May 27 16:30
schestowitzbut JS isn't the sole culpritMay 27 16:30
schestowitzthe 1-pixel (even translucent) hack would let them spy on anything that just renders visuals beyond fontsMay 27 16:30
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: I have a question...May 27 16:31
schestowitz \May 27 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsMay 27 16:31
schestowitzunder the new 2021 outlineMay 27 16:31
schestowitzadded todayMay 27 16:31
schestowitzis that clear enough to someone like you who isn't a patent expert?May 27 16:31
schestowitzsupposed to improve clarify with some contextMay 27 16:31
techrights-bot"2.11 โ€œIntellectual Propertyโ€ means copyright, trade marks, database rights and/or any other intellectual property rights as recognised in any jurisdiction." Those are NOT rights, they are NOT properly. This is just pure propaganda, but they're paid to spread this fiction. By litigation firms. 27 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Terms And Conditions | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 27 16:33
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techrights-botMicrosoft-sponsored #LiamTung joins the #greenwashing PR #boycottZDNet .... it's a #microsoft propaganda outlet, marketing firm pretending to be "news" 27 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsMay 27 16:36
techrights-botAmber Ankerholz (LF/LPI) is also #greenwashing #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware ; our camp is full of corrupt people who take money from companies that attack us; in turn, they lie to usMay 27 16:37
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techrights-bot#linuxfoundation is a paid liar of #microsoft (and no, they don't even USE Linux) this #greenwashing has gone on for some time... 27 16:39
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techrights-bot9AM Eastern time: "So any news? Or was this just a rumor?" #ibm #layoffs 27 16:41
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techrights-bot"What happens if you don't select "Confirm" by end-of-day today? Do they separate you as "Voluntary Resignation" on July 1st ... or earlier?" #ibm #layoffs #severance 27 16:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Works for Microsoft | TechrightsMay 27 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kyndryl stuffing? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 27 16:42
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techrights-bot"This week weโ€™ve been making a #GNU #Linux powered #Commodore64 and coding with BlitzMax-NG. We discuss technology for kids, bring you a command live love and reply to all your wonderful feedback." 27 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | S14E12 โ€“ Clinics Lifesaver Yanked | Ubuntu PodcastMay 27 16:46
techrights-bot"The module went from 140k LOC in 5.15 to 73k LOC in Qt 6," but #qt is now #proprietarySoftware so those supposed improvements can neither be seen nor appreciated. 27 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Development] New Qt MultimediaMay 27 16:47
techrights-bot#KDEneon 20210527 is out today. #kde #gnu #linuxMay 27 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE neonMay 27 16:48
techrights-bot#ClownComputing [sic] is subpar disservice you neither own nor control 27 16:50
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techrights-bot" #RedHat training equips you with skills to stay competitive," says Red Hat, but actually it trains you to add #ibm #vendorLockin like OSPS to places where you work. So they become indebted to and imprisoned by complexity. 27 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat Learning Subscription Premium helps you craft your skill-building strategyMay 27 16:52
techrights-bot#Mesa , Nodejs, #Zstd Update in #opensuse #Tumbleweed โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #TuxMachinesMay 27 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mesa, Nodejs, Zstd Update in Tumbleweed | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:56
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techrights-botEnhanced #RaspberryPi GPIO Support Added to #Ubuntu 21.04 #gnu #linuxMay 27 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu on Dell, Raspberry Pi, and More | Tux MachinesMay 27 16:58
techrights-botIt will be #systemdFree 27 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What will technology look like in 30 years? | Enable SysadminMay 27 17:01
techrights-bot#CatsPi Industrial Lite RPi CM4 carrier board features GbE, RS485, Watchdog MCU - CNX Software โš“ ไท‰ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftwareMay 27 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CatsPi Industrial Lite RPi CM4 carrier board features GbE, RS485, Watchdog MCU - CNX SoftwareMay 27 17:02
XRevan86schestowitz: "that's not my interpretation of the FSF mention" โ€“ I don't see my statement as an interpretation.May 27 17:02
XRevan86schestowitz: Andrew literally says "It would be pretty interesting to figure out a way to decentralize freenode as an organization not just the domain given all of the things we have been seeing in the FSF situation"May 27 17:03
techrights-bot"More than seven years" is the longest term in these options; shouldn't hardware last a decade or more? IBM doesn't want it to, as it's selling grossly overpriced stuff. 27 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What is your server hardware refresh schedule? | Enable SysadminMay 27 17:04
schestowitzXRevan86: he's into blockchains and stuffMay 27 17:04
XRevan86schestowitz: Thomas says literally nothing about FSF, Andrew does. And yet ye make a point that tomaw is throwing a stone at FSF.May 27 17:04
schestowitzso he thinks how to impede censorship etc.May 27 17:04
schestowitzXRevan86: yes, I remember wrongly who said what exactlyMay 27 17:04
schestowitzleft versus right, no names in thereMay 27 17:04
schestowitzRemember that he funded the FSF last yearMay 27 17:05
schestowitzand he saw it becoming attackedMay 27 17:05
schestowitzeven a year before paying FSFMay 27 17:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Right, I'm not accusing Andrew, but pointing a flaw in that interpretation of the situation that ye shared yesterday.May 27 17:05
schestowitzif ANYTHING, it shows he wants LESS controlMay 27 17:05
schestowitzhe wants more independence for the networkMay 27 17:05
schestowitzto prevent one person/org abusing control over freenodeMay 27 17:06
schestowitzThe COC crowd is a threatMay 27 17:06
schestowitzthey can squat and ruin channels, communitiesMay 27 17:06
schestowitzthe ones they don't like or agree withMay 27 17:06
schestowitzcase of pointMay 27 17:06
schestowitzearlier today I told zoobab to record the Haar hearingMay 27 17:07
schestowitzagainst the ToSMay 27 17:07
schestowitzbecause that hearing itself is a fraudMay 27 17:07
schestowitzand thus we need to expose the fraud that it isMay 27 17:07
schestowitzsome COC-happy person can COClessly decide to ban the channekMay 27 17:07
schestowitzsomething like May 27 17:07
schestowitz"illegal activity"May 27 17:07
schestowitzwe don't want that sort of trashMay 27 17:07
schestowitzleave that trash to LFcrosoftMay 27 17:07
schestowitzor the former freenode staff that tried to cancel RMSMay 27 17:08
schestowitzbut not GatesMay 27 17:08
schestowitzbecause RMS calls Epstein "serial rapist"May 27 17:08
schestowitzwhile Gates went to visit him IN PRISON.... according to his spokespeople.... to GET A NOBEL PRIZE!!! :-)May 27 17:08
schestowitzYou know how it goesMay 27 17:09
schestowitzyou want a nobel price?May 27 17:09
schestowitz*prizeMay 27 17:09
schestowitzthen go visit sex traffickers in a cellMay 27 17:09
schestowitzmakes perfect sense. LOLMay 27 17:09
schestowitz 27 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates hoped his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein would help him win the Nobel Peace Prize, report saysMay 27 17:09
schestowitz 27 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Thought Jeffrey Epstein Was His Ticket to a Nobel Prize, Ex-Staffer SaysMay 27 17:10
schestowitzLOLMay 27 17:10
schestowitzliarsMay 27 17:10
schestowitzI want Nobel PrizeMay 27 17:10
schestowitzmaybe I should go visit unabomberMay 27 17:10
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MinceRlolMay 27 17:13
MinceRwell, they do give those out frivolouslyMay 27 17:14
techrights-bot#VzLinux 8.3 released #gnu #linux #rhelMay 27 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VzLinuxMay 27 17:14
schestowitzMinceR: the "peace" onesMay 27 17:14
schestowitz"the Nobel Peace Prize, report says"May 27 17:15
MinceRyeahMay 27 17:15
schestowitzLOLMay 27 17:15
schestowitzto a criminalMay 27 17:15
schestowitzthat would challenge the one of Kissinger and the Hitler nomination for itMay 27 17:15
techrights-bot#TDF Annual Report 2020 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #opendocument #libreoffice #TuxMachinesMay 27 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TDF Annual Report 2020 | Tux MachinesMay 27 17:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 35.95 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 83.30โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.67  โŸฒMay 27 17:16
techrights-botThe crime syndicate from #redmond does a very fine job manipulating and gaming the news. #microsoft #googlebombing tactics don't come cheap; billions spent bribing people for it, other than officials etc. #billgates does the same. Media #briberyMay 27 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law โ€” Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and โ€œSlush Fundsโ€ | TechrightsMay 27 17:17
techrights-botIf truth was a lady/person, #linuxfoundation would be blood-soaked and red-drenched org. Corrupt liars, people who attack #linux while abusing the brand "Linux". Why? Because it is PROFITABLE to do so, and we know who pays for it...May 27 17:19
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware but "LINUX"... 27 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Syxsense Releases New Linux Remote Terminal and Troubleshooting ToolsMay 27 17:20
techrights-bot#docker turning into #proprietarySoftware reseller containers as in blobsMay 27 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Docker Expands Trusted Content Offerings for DevelopersMay 27 17:22
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techrights-botIn a society in which nobody calls herself or himself a "racist" all the #proprietarySoftware companies will tell us they're also "open" and "green". #openwashing #greeenwashingMay 27 17:23
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 27 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrew Kelley (@andy_kelley): "freenode just seized control of the #zig channel without warning. we moved to on day 1, but jesus christ this is so hostile. Now the topic no longer tells people how to get to the new server." | nitterMay 27 17:30
techrights-botBridging the #OpenGL and #Vulkan divide โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ #Graphics #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 27 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bridging the OpenGL and Vulkan divide | Tux MachinesMay 27 17:32
schestowitzXRevan86: same as beforeMay 27 17:32
schestowitzhis mistake, he saysMay 27 17:33
XRevan86schestowitz: But Zig, scientes might be interested.May 27 17:33
schestowitz: May 27 17:33
schestowitz[01:21] <rasengan> schestowitz: This was my fault (the bot) and my fault alone.  I will be posting a post mortem on the freenode site and share it with you when it's complete.  To be clear, I really apologize for it and it was my fault alone.  The way it was executed was not good at all.  That being said, it was something debated over the course of several days (withMay 27 17:33
schestowitz[01:21] <rasengan> a post of a draft policy change prior and feedback in a channel).May 27 17:34
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schestowitzXRevan86: yeah, I just added some contextMay 27 17:34
schestowitzan explanation is much neededMay 27 17:34
schestowitzif it takes too long, that can raise suspicionMay 27 17:35
schestowitzIf it was a bug in a script, then poor technicallyMay 27 17:35
schestowitzlike rebooting machines 'by accident'May 27 17:35
MinceRi think it was the wrong approachMay 27 17:36
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MinceRafaik we do not have the technology to have a bot actually understand what is said in a topic lineMay 27 17:37
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psydroidHey Hi Bot!May 27 17:37
MinceRHEY HIMay 27 17:39
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schestowitzHEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI  [robot sci-fi voice]May 27 17:41
*schestowitz presses reset "stfu already!'May 27 17:41
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BaronVladimirHarNobody knows what it is anymore.May 27 17:49
BaronVladimirHarIt's become synonymous with layoffs and poor customer service.May 27 17:49
BaronVladimirHarThe world has fallen into crippling depression from unemployment and social isolation while companies "economize" with "AI".May 27 17:51
schestowitzthe shopping places have HEY HIMay 27 17:52
schestowitzit's really "Smart"May 27 17:52
schestowitzit can detect when you put a shopping basket on itMay 27 17:52
schestowitzand then tell me to do all the work :)May 27 17:53
schestowitzI say, "oh hi!"May 27 17:53
schestowitztbh, I NEVER used themMay 27 17:53
schestowitzI refuse toMay 27 17:53
BaronVladimirHarService workers take the brunt of it because "AI" has replaced actual customer service and "work from home" has decimated the expensive coffee pouring industry.May 27 17:53
BaronVladimirHarMeanwhile, hyperinflation sets in.May 27 17:53
schestowitzyeahMay 27 17:53
schestowitzwell putMay 27 17:53
schestowitzabout cooffee machinesMay 27 17:53
schestowitzlolMay 27 17:53
schestowitzthis morning rianne asked meMay 27 17:53
schestowitzwho took the office's coffee machine?May 27 17:54
schestowitzwith capsules and allMay 27 17:54
schestowitzoverpriced crapMay 27 17:54
schestowitzwe shut down the office permanently last JulyMay 27 17:54
schestowitzit's a MASSIVE coffee maketMay 27 17:54
schestowitzbut to use it you need capsules and stuffMay 27 17:54
schestowitzboutique BSMay 27 17:54
BaronVladimirHarChicago is desperate to get office work back up and tourism going again, but it's not working so far.May 27 17:55
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BaronVladimirHarToo many offices shut down and people working remotely found that they can live much better on the same salary by moving out of the city or to some other state.May 27 17:55
BaronVladimirHarThe real estate bubble in Chicago was propped up by people living in the city because it's where they worked and in many cases, that's just not even necessary and hasn't been for years.May 27 17:56
BaronVladimirHarPeople and industries just fall into tired old habits and never evaluate them until a crisis forces it.May 27 17:57
BaronVladimirHarChicago will be lucky if it doesn't go full on Detroit.May 27 17:57
BaronVladimirHar 27 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chicago Projects $2 Billion Deficit Through 2021 on Pandemic - BloombergMay 27 17:58
BaronVladimirHarThey've been running on a budget deficit of at least $500-600 million a year for some time and that was under Rahm Emanuel, who was making cuts to the city budget.May 27 17:58
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BaronVladimirHarLori Lightfoot has more than doubled that deficit, and this comes at a time of collapsing rents and rising crime and falling tourism.May 27 18:00
BaronVladimirHarPeople can't remain in the city if there's no job for them to go to.May 27 18:01
BaronVladimirHar 27 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon Agrees to Buy MGM Film Studio for $8.45 Billion - BloombergMay 27 18:01
BaronVladimirHarAmazon now owns the Stargate franchise.May 27 18:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon Is Buying MGM. What Does It Mean For The Stargate Franchise? ยป GateWorldMay 27 18:03
BaronVladimirHarDestiny didn't work out well because of the slow moving plot, unlikable characters, and taking itself too seriously.May 27 18:04
BaronVladimirHarBut it should be easy enough for a new series to ignore Destiny. Wherever they ended up was already so far away from the Milky Way that it required a 9 symbol gate address to get there.May 27 18:05
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BaronVladimirHarThat would put Destiny many times further away than the Ori galaxy.May 27 18:05
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BaronVladimirHarNevertheless, the series left a lot of unanswered questions with the cancellation.May 27 18:08
BaronVladimirHarI don't know where Amazon's purchase leaves the Stargate franchise. Sci-Fi is always a hard sell on production because it costs a lot to produce.May 27 18:09
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BaronVladimirHarStreaming video platforms can just put in a lot of junk to populate lists and sell subscriptions to people who forget that their card is being billed each month.May 27 18:10
BaronVladimirHarBack when it was cable, it was a hard pitch because advertisers found that it was the least receptive audience.May 27 18:10
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BaronVladimirHarComment: "Stargate Universe was a damn good show. It was Stargate in setting and they finally moved away from alien enemy series bad guy."May 27 18:13
BaronVladimirHarWrong. First of all, it was a formula that worked.May 27 18:13
BaronVladimirHarSecondly, there were "bad guys" attacking them all the time.May 27 18:13
BaronVladimirHarMostly the drones, but also an invasion of the ship by the Lucian Alliance.May 27 18:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patient Charged $10,322 For Overnight Sleep Test For Sleep Apnea : Shots - Health News : NPRMay 27 18:27
BaronVladimirHarMost people in America just live with chronic health problems as best they can until they die from it.May 27 18:27
BaronVladimirHar$10,000 for a sleep study to see if you can get a CPAP machine which will cost you a lot more than that. Most of those machines run proprietary software and getting the settings changed means a new sleep study.May 27 18:28
BaronVladimirHarI came across an article the other day about some open source project to reverse engineer these machines and change their settings on your own.May 27 18:29
BaronVladimirHarIt's dangerous, but people do it.May 27 18:29
BaronVladimirHarMom's ex-husband had and old one and when the motor started going out, he opened it up to change the settings with a screwdriver or something, and the doctor asked what his settings were later when the machine crapped out on him.May 27 18:30
BaronVladimirHarMom woke up because there was smoke everywhere in the room from the motor burning out, and he was sleeping through it.May 27 18:30
BaronVladimirHarSo it told the doctor, "I don't know. I just changed it from pffffff to WHOOOOOSH!".May 27 18:30
BaronVladimirHarI mean, that sounds like something I would do. You know, "I'm not giving that fucking doctor $10,000 to figure out what to do with this thing!". Crack it open.May 27 18:31
BaronVladimirHarBut the new ones have software to get in the way of that.May 27 18:32
BaronVladimirHarTo be honest, I might have sleep apnea. I don't know. So far I've gotten away with not having a machine for it.May 27 18:35
BaronVladimirHarI propped myself up with some pillows and sleep at an angle, otherwise I wake up gasping for air sometimes and part of my body gone numb.May 27 18:36
BaronVladimirHarIt gets worse when you put on weight, and everyone has put on weight due to COVID.May 27 18:36
BaronVladimirHarTo be fair, the government has probably managed to kill as many people due to suicide and bad health in general because of the "mitigations" as the damned virus has.May 27 18:37
BaronVladimirHarChicago has been openly wondering how much of the public square they can get away with renaming to something involving black people.May 27 18:44
BaronVladimirHarMost recently, they've moved in and threatened to rename Lake Shore Drive, which is one of the most famous street names in the country. Everyone knows you mean Chicago when you say it. There are songs about it that won't mean anything if they change it.May 27 18:45
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BaronVladimirHarWhile they take the name off of famous Americans from history, including the signers of the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, and even presidents off of the school buildings, streets, and parks, they leave the name of/monuments to fascists from the second World War all over the city.May 27 18:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chris Coons Working to Install Business-Friendly Candidate for Key Patent Position - The American ProspectMay 27 18:48
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BaronVladimirHarThe only ethical thing to do with "IP" is piracy. Just make sure to cover your ass so they don't know it was you.May 27 18:49
BaronVladimirHarIt's fitting that when they needed a goon squad of jackbooted thugs to enforce "IP" in the United States, it was ICE.May 27 18:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Wuhan Lab Is Worth A Look In Search For Pandemic Origins : NPRMay 27 18:51
BaronVladimirHarAfter over a year of accusing anyone who said COVID leaked from a Chinese lab a horrible racist that was encouraging violence against Asian people (which has somehow only been a problem in Democrat cities, go figure), the Biden Administration says it's a theory that may have merit.May 27 18:52
BaronVladimirHar*of being a horrible racist, ratherMay 27 18:52
BaronVladimirHarTrump really wasn't far off when he said "poorly ran Democrat cities".May 27 18:53
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BaronVladimirHar$2 billion deficits, most violent place in America, rents going up double digit percentages until COVID lockdowns caused riots and board-ups. That's what Chicago is now.May 27 18:54
BaronVladimirHarDouble digit percentage rent hikes will return if things ever do go back to "normal", so in some ways people should hope things don't.May 27 18:55
BaronVladimirHarThey'll have to compete with others for apartments and bid each other up.May 27 18:55
BaronVladimirHarMy landlord is still advertising available units in my building at the same price we pay.May 27 18:55
BaronVladimirHarEven though inflation is running something awful, it's probably hard to raise prices when many people are out of work and fleeing the city.May 27 18:56
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BaronVladimirHarSo he sits on the price and waits and hopes that things recover to where hikes are back on the menu. What do you do? Waukegan keeps losing residents every year, and when you lose 1,000+ people every year, they don't need apartments anymore.May 27 18:57
BaronVladimirHarThe city was at something like 88,000 or so a decade ago and it'll be doing good to be at 79,000 after the final numbers are in.May 27 18:58
schestowitzAdmFubar: he's bribedMay 27 19:01
schestowitzCoonsMay 27 19:01 27 19:01
schestowitzbought politicianMay 27 19:01
BaronVladimirHarI'm wondering what they'll do with all of those empty offices, myself.May 27 19:02
schestowitzhouse the homeless?May 27 19:02
BaronVladimirHarLOL! noMay 27 19:02
schestowitzspread around overcrowded homes?May 27 19:02
BaronVladimirHarAlthough, Los Angeles is paying $2,800 per "tent" for the homeless right now.May 27 19:02
BaronVladimirHarWhich is almost double what it would cost to get them an apartment even in that market.May 27 19:03
BaronVladimirHarThey pay that much because as soon as the federal money runs out, they plan to go back to doing absolutely nothing for them.May 27 19:03
BaronVladimirHarRight now, Lake County is putting them up in motels, which is what ran me and Mandy out of the one we were in.May 27 19:04
BaronVladimirHarAs soon as the manager heard the government had to put them somewhere, she raised the rate from $1,080 a month to something closer to $1,400.May 27 19:05
BaronVladimirHarIf it was $1,080 a month I would have just stayed. I mean, hell, the electric and heat run your total costs up to nearly that anyway.May 27 19:06
BaronVladimirHarWe're not living too close to the edge. I started up a nice little retirement account for Mandy back in late March and Walmart started matching the funds this month.May 27 19:07
BaronVladimirHarI was talking to some people he worked with and they're not even taking the entire match.May 27 19:08
BaronVladimirHarEven if you requested a withdrawal every now and then and paid the fees and penalty tax, you'd still have more money than if you put nothing in.May 27 19:08
BaronVladimirHarThere's absolutely no way you end up worse off.May 27 19:09
BaronVladimirHarIf you don't take any other benefit from an employer, take that.May 27 19:10
BaronVladimirHar<schestowitz "spread around overcrowded homes?"> They have no incentive to convert them into apartments.May 27 19:10
BaronVladimirHarThey'd just end up oversaturating that market more and losing more money than leaving the office space empty and decaying into an urban eyesore.May 27 19:11
BaronVladimirHarSprawl and boom-bust economic cycles.May 27 19:11
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BaronVladimirHarKeynesian Economics rides again, and some prices at the grocery store are up nearly 30%.May 27 19:12
BaronVladimirHarOf course, nobody reports this.May 27 19:12
BaronVladimirHarThe goal of the news is to avoid panic and tell you about the Kardashians getting their assholes bleached.May 27 19:13
BaronVladimirHarThere's definitely cartel behavior in housing though. They deliberately keep supply off the market to prop up sky high prices.May 27 19:15
BaronVladimirHarEven if it means letting the supply rot and fall over.May 27 19:15
BaronVladimirHarIf you adjust the prices down then people will get used to that. Lumber is up to the point where it apparently costs $36,000 more to build a house than it did last year, but people build while millions sit empty.May 27 19:16
BaronVladimirHarMaybe they should scrap them, for the lumber.May 27 19:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–โ–โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 22.58 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–„โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‡โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 30.11โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.72  โŸฒMay 27 19:16
BaronVladimirHarThis is why I laugh when people say if we switched to Communism, it wouldn't use resources efficiently.May 27 19:17
kingoffrancewell, cartel behavior is efficient for cartels :)  efficient for who :)May 27 19:18
BaronVladimirHarThe mortgage forbearance is just letting people sit there while the payments pile up. Whenever it ends, people will toss their keys in the mailbox and head to the bankruptcy court. Like "rent moratoriums".May 27 19:18
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AdmFubarnot sure if I sent you this oneMay 27 19:51
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phobosIs there any department in the US that isn't spying on people?May 27 20:26
phobosI still can't believe that the USPS spy program is legal in any way May 27 20:27
phobosThen again, in a day and age where supporters of a previous president are being incarcerated in Gulag like conditions without charges filed nor bail granted while prosecutors try to decide what if any charges to level against them... May 27 20:28
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kingoffrance"legal" just means formal. lawful means "in the right"May 27 20:48
kingoffrancelegal == i have a badgeMay 27 20:48
kingoffrancelawful == i am supposed to allowed to have my badgeMay 27 20:48
samiamsamuhMay 27 20:48
samiamsamthat is not correctMay 27 20:48
kingoffranceit wasMay 27 20:48
kingoffranceit has been rewrittenMay 27 20:48
samiamsamlegal means having to do with the law.  lawful means in compliance with the law.May 27 20:48
kingoffrancei kind dig a citeMay 27 20:48
kingoffrancewhat is "the law" ?May 27 20:48
kingoffrancelol May 27 20:49
kingoffrancemany many kinds of lawMay 27 20:49
kingoffrancewritten and notMay 27 20:49
kingoffrance"the law" doesnt exist any more than "the bible"May 27 20:49
kingoffrancewhich has many religions in itMay 27 20:49
kingoffrancetheres more than one country too of courseMay 27 20:49
kingoffranceif nothing else "the law" lolMay 27 20:49
kingoffrance* i can dig upMay 27 20:49
MinceR"I am the law!"May 27 20:49
samiamsamthe law of some jurisdiction, of course.May 27 20:50
MinceR"Someone stole my doughnuts, and now, you're all gonna pay!"May 27 20:50
kingoffrancelemme dig, one secMay 27 20:50
kingoffrance"rule of law" also has a few definitions but not to digress too muchMay 27 20:51
kingoffrancewith scalia it meant "formalism" this legal thingMay 27 20:51
kingoffranceso yes, that is the modern viewMay 27 20:51
MinceRscalia just says whatever he believes will win the case for his partyMay 27 20:52
kingoffrancei thought he died but yeahMay 27 20:53
samiamsamthe new ones are worseMay 27 20:53
kingoffrance*&Query=lawful      Lawful means conformable to the             principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is            applicable to moral as well as juridical law. Legal            means conformable to the letter or rules of the law as             it is administered in the courts; conformable to              juridical law. Legal is often used as antithetical to              equitable, but lawMay 27 20:53
kingoffranceful is seldom used in that sense.May 27 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ lawfulMay 27 20:53
kingoffrancethat is actually itself rewritten, equity and law used to be opposite, but not going thereMay 27 20:54
kingoffrancethe point there is just legal is letter, law is spiritMay 27 20:54
kingoffranceso a thing may be :  one or other, both, neitherMay 27 20:55
kingoffrancenote law applies to moralsMay 27 20:56
kingoffrancelegal very much has nothing to do with moralsMay 27 20:56
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kingoffranceyes, that is archaic, but a very important switcheroo IMOMay 27 20:56
kingoffrancebasically without this separation, there needs to be some term to indicateMay 27 20:57
kingoffranceso i am ok with the switcheroo -- IF someone has a new term that is equivalentMay 27 20:57
kingoffranceanyways, back to usps, yes most the comments seemed of that natureMay 27 20:58
kingoffrancei could find more sources if someone doesnt consider that authoritative or whatever, but it is succinct.  if you know what to look for yuo can find this elsewhereMay 27 20:59
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kingoffrance"as it is administered in the courts"   point there is whatever courts/whoever happens to be doing today, right or wrong -- appearance, formalism, etc.May 27 21:02
kingoffrancethats basically why there must be such a separation -- else you get court/gov/whoever is infallible, can do no wrong, etc.May 27 21:02
BaronVladimirHarI'll be doing SlimSocial on my next Android app spotlight.May 27 21:07
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BaronVladimirHarIt handled Facebook without their app taking over your phone and spying on other apps and running your battery down.May 27 21:08
kingoffrance  The latter merely denotes compliance with technical or formal rules, whereas the former usually signifies a moral substance or ethical permissibility. May 27 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lawful - Legal, Fraud, Estate, and Former - JRank ArticlesMay 27 21:10
XRevan86 27 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isfreenodedeadyetMay 27 21:12
BaronVladimirHar<phobos "Then again, in a day and age whe"> Many of them were released without being charged bail and then committed more crimes while they were out.May 27 21:12
BaronVladimirHarOne shot an endangered cat and then posed for a photo with a gun. Felon in possession of a gun due to a prior felony.May 27 21:12
AdmFubar 27 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Audacity: Audio tool finds new and exciting ways to annoy contributors with a Contributor License Agreement โ€ข The RegisterMay 27 21:12
BaronVladimirHarThe judge revoked bail due to that.May 27 21:12
XRevan86AdmFubar: nooooooooooMay 27 21:12
MinceRsounds like time to forkMay 27 21:14
MinceRas for the crApp Store part: who fucking cares? fuck crApple and fuck the crApp StoreMay 27 21:16
MinceRif they don't want free software then they shouldn't have free softwareMay 27 21:16
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ–‚โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–†โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 20.93 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 70.73โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.76  โŸฒMay 27 21:17
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phobosBaronVladimirHar: What about the ones whose only crime was showing up to support Trump? The Feds recently went into Idaho and arrested two ~70 year old men for just showing up to the rally and walking near, but not in the capital buildingMay 27 22:28
phobosAnd the others sitting in solitary who have not been charged with anything, but have been denied access to lawyers, phone calls, etc, and have been beaten May 27 22:29
phobosA spot light needs to be placed on that May 27 22:29
phobosOne was beaten so badly that he may be blind May 27 22:30
MinceRabolish the governmentMay 27 22:30
phobos 27 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Capitol riot suspect 'viciously' beaten in jail, may lose sight, attorney saysMay 27 22:30
phobosMinceR: Something. May 27 22:30
MinceRalso abolish the megacorporations and the churchesMay 27 22:31
phoboskinda already has been May 27 22:31
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phobosone set of laws for thee and another for we May 27 22:31
sebsebsebMinceR: AppleMay 27 22:31
MinceRsebsebseb: dehomagMay 27 22:31
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–ƒโ–ˆโ–โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–‡โ–‡โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–โ–ƒโ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 35.15 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–โ–‚โ–‡โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 63.70โ–• swarm size (avg): 231.79  โŸฒMay 27 23:17
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