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| [Thu May 29 2008] [23:51:08] Mode Channel modes: secret, no messages from outside |
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| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:33:08] Join You have joined the channel #boycottnovell (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net). |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:33:08] Channel [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:33:18] <dsmith_> hi roy |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:33:35] Mode Channel modes: secret, no messages from outside |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:33:35] Created This channel was created on 06/01/2008 12:47:33 PM. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:35:28] Join henrytheeigthiam has joined this channel (i=henry@gateway/tor/x-96321d2920a94cd3). |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:36:40] <henrytheeigthiam> hello schestowitz |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:38:30] <henrytheeigthiam> hello douglas |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:38:38] <henrytheeigthiam> dsmith_, hello |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:38:47] <dsmith_> hi |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:40:49] <henrytheeigthiam> dsmith_, switched from roadrunner to comcast, I see |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:06] <dsmith_> I am not dsmith |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:11] <henrytheeigthiam> VA to MD? |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:13] <dsmith_> er.. *the* dsmith |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:19] <henrytheeigthiam> no? |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:30] <dsmith_> my name yes, but another person |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:47] <henrytheeigthiam> who are you, then? |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:52] <dsmith_> I have never used roadrunner |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:41:56] <dsmith_> dsmith... |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:42:19] <dsmith_> er...dsmith_ |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:42:22] <dsmith_> :) |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:53:28] <schestowitz> Hey there. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [13:55:43] <schestowitz> I've not noticed activity here until just moments ago and I was going to leave for a while (not the channel, the office). |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:01:41] <henrytheeigthiam> dsmith_, I see |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:02:14] <henrytheeigthiam> schestowitz, have you registered the channel? |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:03:00] <schestowitz> I haven't, no. How do I do this? I think I'll read the HOWTOs tomorrow. I'm off for about 7 hours. I'll stay on this channel (idle). :-) |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:03:24] <henrytheeigthiam> schestowitz, you probably won't notice much action until you publicize it and invite others to collaborate here with you! =) |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:03:56] <henrytheeigthiam> schestowitz, #freenode is a good help, especially since they've just switched over |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:04:07] <henrytheeigthiam> some issues with services may have changed |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:04:23] <henrytheeigthiam> the dsmith_ who isn't dsmith may also help, if he knows anything |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:04:40] <henrytheeigthiam> unless it's here just to log |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:05:44] <dsmith_> it should be the same as DALnet |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:05:45] <dsmith_> one min |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:06:24] Notice -ChanServ- Insufficient parameters for INFO. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:06:24] Notice -ChanServ- Syntax: INFO <#channel> |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:06:36] Notice -ChanServ- Channel #boycottnovell is not registered. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:06:49] <dsmith_> ok... its not registed and the commands are the same as Dalnet |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:06:50] <dsmith_> so.... |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:06] Notice -ChanServ- Invalid parameters for REGISTER. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:06] Notice -ChanServ- Syntax: REGISTER <#channel> |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:11] <dsmith_> ./chanserv register [#channelname] [password] [description] |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:19] <dsmith_> without the period |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:33] <dsmith_> * This will register your channelname with the selected password and a description of what the channel is about. The description is not important, but must be included in the command. For example: /chanserv register #AllysPlace shazam Ally's very own channel. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:48] <dsmith_> there you go |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:07:55] <henrytheeigthiam> some commands/features have changed |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:08:06] <henrytheeigthiam> Dalnet? who uses that? |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:09:48] Nick henrytheeigthiam is now known as dsmith___. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:10:21] <dsmith___> what do you know dsmith_ |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:10:28] <dsmith___> I am not dsmith either but now I am dsmith___ |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:10:32] <dsmith_> lol |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:10:57] <dsmith___> what a small world |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:11:00] Nick You are now known as Steve_Ballmer. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:11:00] Notice -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:11:03] <Steve_Ballmer> hehe |
| [Sun Jun 1 2008] [14:11:08] <Steve_Ballmer> <---monkey boy |
| Steve_Ballmer | damn its registered.... |
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| * Steve_Ballmer blames Linux. |
| * Steve_Ballmer is now known as dsmith_ |
| dsmith_ | brb |
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| dsmith___ | log restart? |
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| * dsmith___ is now known as notamonkey |
| dsmith_ | I log all chats |
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| dsmith_ | but just for myself |
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| dsmith_ | typically I will have a queston, so I will skim my logs in ubuntu |
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| notamonkey | me too |
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| notamonkey | but I provide mine to several outlets |
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| notamonkey | I'm a mercenary |
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| * dsmith_ disdn't realize one could do that |
| notamonkey | no? |
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| notamonkey | indeed |
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| notamonkey | especially for various law mil and gov orgs |
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| notamonkey | it's not about money, it's about achievements |
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| notamonkey | each scumfuck I help rid the earth of, the better |
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| notamonkey | looks like schestowitz has this one under control, along with a shadowy friend, there's no need for me here |
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| notamonkey | good luck schestowitz |
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| dsmith_ | lol |
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| fred | benJIman: why am I here? |
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| benJIman | What's going on in dis channel? |
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| * benJIman reads the topic |
| fred | I made you a topic, but I eated it. |
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| dsmith_ | hello everyone |
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| lamby | Pray, please inform me what is currently happening in this communications medium? |
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| dsmith_ | I think he is away |
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| * Received a CTCP PING 1212345452 from dsmith_ |
| dsmith_ | [Whois] schestowitz has been idle for 34 minutes and 41 seconds. |
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| dsmith_ | i need to go myself.. |
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| foo-nix | omg wtf bbq! |
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| foo-nix | it exists! |
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| Orthemis | I?ve been reading your website recently. It?s mostly great, though some articles you link to are such thin gruel that they lack interest. |
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| Orthemis | I also wanted to mention that you don?t come across as fanatic or strident. I get so tired of seeing the spineless weasels of the world make that claim. Anyway, keep up the good work. I learned how to IRC just to tell you this. |
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| Orthemis | Also, I was wondering I should use FAT32 partition to share information now that MS has a patent. I haven't thought through these issues as well as you have. |
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| [H]omer | Yo! |
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| jmpnop | hello |
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| [H]omer | hi |
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| jmpnop | Thank you folks of BN, I learned a lot by reading trough the pages and archives! |
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| jmpnop | still, how acute is the problem anyway? What can they do to GNU/Linux? Its used all over the world. Are sites in China or Hungaria stop hosting distro images because some Judge in the USA tells them to? |
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| ZiggyFish | good morning |
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| jbh | trying to figure out irc |
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| jbh | it's been years since I last used it ;) |
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| dsmith_ | its easy |
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| schestowitz | I'm back. Just catching up now. |
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| dsmith_ | roy regsiter the channel |
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| schestowitz | Will do... in just a moment. I just caught up with some stuff.Newham's doing the Microsoft legwork again (Get the Facts tour in the UK). |
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| schestowitz | Is this it? http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml |
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| cozub | huh, really :) |
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| cozub | hi |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. |
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| hassanibraheem | hey |
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| schestowitz | One thing we can try and do is explore Novell's recent report and see what they concealed. I guess it might be something worth discussing. |
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| hassanibraheem | good, got a link? |
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| schestowitz | Here is last year's report (December): http://www.boycottnovell.com/forms/novel... |
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| schestowitz | This is the corresponding document on the SEC's site: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/758004/000095013... |
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| schestowitz | Some quick analysis: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/1... |
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| schestowitz | This basically showed that Novell pays Microsoft for sales it makes, based on volume. |
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| schestowitz | Here is the latest report's synopsis: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/080529/novl8-k.html |
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| schestowitz | Full report here: http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/Di... |
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| tessier | Woohoo! |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Hey Roy :) |
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| schestowitz | It can probably be viewed free of charge if you find it on the SEC's Web site. It would be good to see how they categorise products and which divisions performed poorly (Novell would report nothing about it to the press, but it has to put it in the report). |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tessier. Nice to have you online. We're discussing what Novell might be hiding from the press. Microsoft eats their Netware lunch. |
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| * tessier is Tracy Reed |
| * tessier waits while everyone googles |
| schestowitz | You're a friend of Rex, I think. No? |
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| tessier | Yeah, sort of. He and I never met but we have exchanged a couple emails. |
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| schestowitz | Sadly, he is quite fond of SUSE Linux. He defends it for technical reasons. alone (for those lacking context, Rex Ballard works at IBM). I think that IBM is not doing enough to fight this (it hardly ever did). IBM's VP of standards shows disdain for Mono though. IBM still has arrangements with Novell. |
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| schestowitz | Oh, one more thing. |
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| schestowitz | IBM was there when the Microsoft-Novell deal was signed. IBM's view on patents is something to keep in mind. |
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| schestowitz | I've just found this: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article... |
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| schestowitz | ... |
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| yoonki1 | hi roy |
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| yoonki1 | had a meeting with Oliver Bell almost 2 weeks ago |
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| yoonki1 | and he asked about you |
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| yoonki1 | ...heh. |
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| schestowitz | So Datamation, whom I sometimes write for, is still airing that Novell FUD. It also does Endrlie [sic] pieces. *sigh* And then there's this E-mail marketer (read: legalised spammer) with roots in Novell: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18525/50/ (Cynthia Richmond) |
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| schestowitz | @ <yoonki1>: Heh. Did the "F" word come up? |
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| yoonki1 | do you know him? |
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| yoonki1 | he tried to downplay your efforts |
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| schestowitz | I can imagine. What is his professional affiliation (or what puts food on his table)? |
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| yoonki1 | He works for Microsoft |
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| yoonki1 | and is stationed in the Singaporean office |
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| yoonki1 | he is "reaching out" to FOSS guys here |
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| schestowitz | "Stationed". Like colonies. |
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| yoonki1 | :) |
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| schestowitz | So he's like the Singaporean Hilf. |
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| yoonki1 | Yes. |
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| schestowitz | "We come in peace" |
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| yoonki1 | yeah |
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| yoonki1 | peacemaker of sorts |
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| schestowitz | The main problem are those who buy it. Even Asay falls for it. |
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| yoonki1 | and tries to convince us that Microsoft is trying very hard to open up |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* |
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| schestowitz | Open up like a bear trap. |
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| yoonki1 | Anyway, here is some evidence that Microsoft has been waging a war against ODF before OOXML |
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| yoonki1 | http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008... |
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| schestowitz | Someone commented on that article which was published about me in LinuxToday a couple of days ago. It said that all Microsoft cares about is profit. Profit, profit, profit. |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft measures success in terms of short-term monetary gains. |
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| yoonki1 | yes. |
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| schestowitz | Has Oliver offered to take you to lunch yet? |
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| yoonki1 | We told Oliver that the difference between MS and IBM is that IBM thinks in decade long biz plans, while MS just fights for the quarterly profits |
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| yoonki1 | we took oliver out for dinner ;-) |
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| yoonki1 | food in Msia is cheap. |
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| yoonki1 | He asked me if I knew u |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of which, Microsoft is cooking it, you know? That new CFO is some chap from the paper industry in NZ. The previous guy took a hike. The new appointment is odd. |
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| yoonki1 | I said no, just from ur blog. |
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| yoonki1 | Coincdentally, Ollie will be migrating to NZ soon. |
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| schestowitz | PJ tried to get your E-mail addy. Did she get to you at the end? |
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| yoonki1 | but still doing the same from Spore |
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| tessier | Singapore is a fun place |
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| yoonki1 | nope, |
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| schestowitz | Never spoke to you? |
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| yoonki1 | Only last year. |
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| tessier | As is Malaysia. I visited both places a couple years ago. |
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| schestowitz | Oh. |
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| yoonki1 | tessier: give us a buzz next time ure down |
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| schestowitz | It's good to gather evidence from those Microsoft ran smear gigs against. |
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| tessier | yoonki1: Will do. We had a good friend there give us the tour. It was great. |
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| schestowitz | @yk, I'm reading your latest post at the moment. Have you seen the photo of Patrick and chaps from Microsoft yet? Maybe they took him out to too many dinners. |
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| yoonki1 | schestowitz: Ditesh wrote the post, no me. |
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| tessier | I've been getting a kick out of the local Windows User Group |
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| tessier | Such a huge different from the LUG |
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| yoonki1 | schestowitz: yeah, I saw the SC34 outing photo. |
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| yoonki1 | they after all will have to work together in SC34. |
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| yoonki1 | Its hard being at polar opposites when in the same room. |
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| schestowitz | @yk, how did Microsoft (and chums) approach your superiors? Was there slander too? |
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| yoonki1 | I think Durusau is just playing nice ... for his own sake. |
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| yoonki1 | schestowitz: hah. |
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| schestowitz | See, that's a problem (wait while I explain) |
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| yoonki1 | schestowitz: I will blog about that one day |
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| yoonki1 | schestowitz: its been a year already, and I still feel quite angry |
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| schestowitz | Have you read the article "killing with kindness"? It's social engineering. |
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| schestowitz | It's embarrassing to write about it, I know, but that's the only way for the story to be told. |
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| yoonki1 | Oh. Im just reading it now. |
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| yoonki1 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story..../a> |
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| schestowitz | I had the Munchkins (Gary Stewart, active since the O/S2 Slog) use fake nyms and mass mailing the university, even the President. I can't let them know that they were successful because they would then repeat it. |
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| schestowitz | That's just one of the earlier incidents (2005 or 2006) when I was still busy with more academic research. I was advised to keep close to a lawyer because of the libel (soon afterwards came the 'castration' fables) that trolls still cite as 'evidence'. |
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| yoonki1 | Do you have copies of MS making use of that evidence? |
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| schestowitz | PJ told me I must do so, but I rely on Google retaining it. |
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| schestowitz | It's difficult to accuse people because although I have addresses they all post from Web proxies and zombie PCs. Been like this for a decade. They hide traces. |
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| schestowitz | OK, I've just registered the channel as 'dsmith' had suggested. | Jun 02 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | yoonkit, are you there? | Jun 02 10:52 |
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| [H]omer | Hey Roy | Jun 02 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Has there been anything going on here for the past 30 minutes? I got nothing. | Jun 02 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | I was just about to test and see if there was a technical issue. | Jun 02 10:53 |
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| [H]omer | I've just come back, so dunno | Jun 02 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Jun 02 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | I've just posted a pointer about Fedora in BN.com | Jun 02 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | One coming to deal a little blow to Novell... just needs quick proofreading. | Jun 02 10:55 |
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| yoonkit | schestowitz: yes | Jun 02 10:55 |
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| [H]omer | OK | Jun 02 10:55 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, you should set up ChanServ on the channel as well | Jun 02 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | yk, I received nothing from 9:09 to 10:52 (my time). Was there only silence *here*? Then I got (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) | Jun 02 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | How is this done? I haven't done IRC since I was about 13. | Jun 02 10:56 |
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| [H]omer | like this "/msg ChanServ set #boycottnovell guard on" | Jun 02 10:56 |
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| [H]omer | like this "/msg ChanServ help" for all the commands | Jun 02 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | "/msg ChanServ set #boycottnovell guard on | Jun 02 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Jun 02 10:57 |
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| >ChanServ<set #boycottnovell guard on | Jun 02 10:57 |
| [H]omer | :) | Jun 02 10:57 |
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| -ChanServ-Channel #boycottnovell is not registered. | Jun 02 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I've done the registration hours ago. Probably need to just wait now. | Jun 02 10:58 |
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| [H]omer | Have you just now registered your nick on FreeNode? | Jun 02 10:59 |
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| [H]omer | Cos if you gimmie OPs I can probably do it for you (been on here for years) | Jun 02 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | I filled out one of these: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml | Jun 02 10:59 |
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| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to [H]omer | Jun 02 11:00 |
| yoonkit | schestowitz: my line is bad.... keeps cutting off.. and Ive been silent all this while | Jun 02 11:01 |
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| [H]omer | hmm | Jun 02 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | It was dsmith who instructed me. It's readers that wanted a channel. | Jun 02 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | yk, that's good to know. It seemed like a silence too long. | Jun 02 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, [H]ome | Jun 02 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer (bad copy and paste again) | Jun 02 11:03 |
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| [H]omer | You need to type this, otherwise the channel will be registered to me | Jun 02 11:03 |
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| [H]omer | "/msg ChanServ REGISTER #boycottnovell" | Jun 02 11:03 |
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| >ChanServ<REGISTER #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:03 |
| -ChanServ-You are not logged in. | Jun 02 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jun 02 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Novell appears to be playing Asay at the moment, just like Microsoft plays everyone. I'll post about it in a minute. | Jun 02 11:04 |
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| *ChanServ sets mode -s #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:05 |
| *ChanServ sets mode +t #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:05 |
| *ChanServ sets mode +c #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:05 |
| *ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:06 |
| *irc.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServ | Jun 02 11:06 |
| [H]omer | we have channel guard | Jun 02 11:06 |
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| [H]omer | I'll transfer ownership back now | Jun 02 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like intellectual (imaginary) property, but thanks! | Jun 02 11:07 |
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| *lamby (n=lamby@chris-lamb.co.uk) has left #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:08 |
| [H]omer | Your nick isn't registered, that's why you weren't able to claim the channel as a founder | Jun 02 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | I'll search info on how to register. Just a moment... | Jun 02 11:10 |
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| [H]omer | type "/msg NickServ register schestowitz your-email@address.com" | Jun 02 11:12 |
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| [H]omer | oops, wrong syntax | Jun 02 11:15 |
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| >NickServ<register schestowitz r@schestowitz.com | Jun 02 11:15 |
| -NickServ-You cannot use your nickname as a password. | Jun 02 11:15 |
| -NickServ-Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email> | Jun 02 11:15 |
| [H]omer | type "/msg NickServ register <password> your-email@address.com" | Jun 02 11:15 |
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| >NickServ<register xxxxx r@schestowitz.com | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-An email containing nickname activation instructions has been sent to r@schestowitz.com. | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-If you do not complete registration within one day, your nickname will expire. | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-schestowitz is now registered to r@schestowitz.com, with the password xxxxx. | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ- | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-Freenode is a service of Peer-Directed Projects Center, an | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-IRS 501(c)(3) (tax-exempt) charitable and educational organization. | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-For frequently-asked questions about the network, please see the | Jun 02 11:16 |
| -NickServ-FAQ page (http://freenode.net/faq.shtml). | Jun 02 11:16 |
| schestowitz | You beat me to it with the instructions by a few seconds. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup Ta for that. | Jun 02 11:16 |
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| [H]omer | BTW: I set up a channel for Slated too ( #slated ) | Jun 02 11:16 |
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| [H]omer | OK this will work now. Type "/msg ChanServ SET #boycottnovell FOUNDER schestowitz" | Jun 02 11:19 |
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| [H]omer | Then you're all set | Jun 02 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | I need/MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER schestowitz tongtkbqbmgu | Jun 02 11:19 |
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| [H]omer | Check your Email for a confirmation message | Jun 02 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Copy and paste artifacts again. | Jun 02 11:20 |
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| >NickServ<VERIFY REGISTER schestowitz tongtkbqbmgu | Jun 02 11:20 |
| -NickServ-schestowitz has now been verified. | Jun 02 11:20 |
| -NickServ-Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited. | Jun 02 11:20 |
| *services. sets mode +e schestowitz | Jun 02 11:20 |
| >ChanServ<SET #boycottnovell FOUNDER schestowit | Jun 02 11:20 |
| -ChanServ-schestowit is not registered. | Jun 02 11:20 |
| >ChanServ<SET #boycottnovell FOUNDER schestowitz | Jun 02 11:20 |
| -ChanServ-Transfer complete: schestowitz has been set as founder for #boycottnovell. | Jun 02 11:20 |
| schestowitz | OK, it's done now. | Jun 02 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for the help, mate. | Jun 02 11:21 |
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| [H]omer | "/msg NickServ info schestowitz" | Jun 02 11:21 |
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| [H]omer | "/msg ChanServ info #boycottnovell" | Jun 02 11:22 |
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| [H]omer | Founder : schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
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| [H]omer | Cool, all done | Jun 02 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | NickServ info schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
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| >NickServ<info schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Information on schestowitz (account schestowitz): | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Registered : Jun 02 10:22:40 2008 (6 minutes, 46 seconds ago) | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Last addr : n=roy@baine.smb.man.ac.uk | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Last seen : now | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Logins from: schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Nicks : schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Email : r@schestowitz.com (hidden) | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-Flags : HideMail | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -NickServ-*** End of Info *** | Jun 02 11:22 |
| >ChanServ<info #boycottnovell | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-Information on #boycottnovell: | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-Founder : schestowitz | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-Registered : Jun 02 10:12:35 2008 (17 minutes, 2 seconds ago) | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-Mode lock : +ntc-slk | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-Flags : GUARD | Jun 02 11:22 |
| -ChanServ-*** End of Info *** | Jun 02 11:22 |
| [H]omer | You need to prefix with "/msg" | Jun 02 11:23 |
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| [H]omer | They're bots ... you talk to them :) | Jun 02 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yup, I got it working the second time (you just don't see it). I copy and paste too much and too quickly. | Jun 02 11:23 |
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| [H]omer | copy paste maniac | Jun 02 11:24 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Jun 02 11:24 |
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| [H]omer | OK you can deop me now | Jun 02 11:24 |
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| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from [H]omer | Jun 02 11:24 |
| [H]omer | join #slated too | Jun 02 11:25 |
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| [H]omer | It's lonely in there :( | Jun 02 11:25 |
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| [H]omer | I have this session running on the server, so it'll stay up permanently | Jun 02 11:25 |
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| [H]omer | Although I don't need to cos I (we) have ChanServ | Jun 02 11:26 |
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| [H]omer | ChanServ protects the account from netsplit takeovers, etc | Jun 02 11:26 |
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| [H]omer | You could quit and come back, and the channel would still be active ... and you still get auto-OPs | Jun 02 11:27 |
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| [H]omer | how about setting a "/topic"? | Jun 02 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | This brings back childhood memory (IRC days). I quite IRC like 10 years ago and IM about 4 years ago. Then I become addicted to ET. | Jun 02 11:28 |
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| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Exploring the anti-FOSS deals | Jun 02 11:29 |
| [H]omer | Yeah, I did IRC for years until ICQ came out | Jun 02 11:29 |
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| [H]omer | Then ICQ started to suck and the software got huge and bloated | Jun 02 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | To be embraced by AOL, INNOVA~1 by Microsoft and then extended. | Jun 02 11:29 |
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| [H]omer | I hate IM now. | Jun 02 11:29 |
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| [H]omer | Ya | Jun 02 11:30 |
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| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications | Jun 02 11:34 |
| [H]omer | cool | Jun 02 11:34 |
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| >ChanServ<set #boycottnovell topiclock on | Jun 02 11:34 |
| -ChanServ-The TOPICLOCK flag has been set for channel #boycottnovell. | Jun 02 11:34 |
| [H]omer | Just like BN.com | Jun 02 11:34 |
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| >ChanServ<set #boycottnovell secure on | Jun 02 11:35 |
| -ChanServ-The SECURE flag has been set for channel #boycottnovell. | Jun 02 11:35 |
| >ChanServ<set #boycottnovell entrymsg Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jun 02 11:36 |
| -ChanServ-The entry message for #boycottnovell has been set to Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jun 02 11:36 |
| [H]omer | So I think I'm wearing down the Fedora devs to rethink Mono and Firefox | Jun 02 11:40 |
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| [H]omer | x fingers | Jun 02 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, and it won't go down well with Waugh et al | Jun 02 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | I guess it's fair to say on the record that I spoke to some *ahem* people (unnamed) who are friends of Miguel. He does not mean to cause harm harm, but deep inside he probably knows what he does.He knows the side effects. | Jun 02 11:46 |
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| [H]omer | The friend of my enemy is also.... | Jun 02 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel thinks both sides are friends. They are. To *him*. It's conquer and divide. | Jun 02 11:49 |
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| [H]omer | I've just been given this as a response to my queries about Mono and Firefox: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fre... | Jun 02 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | One in four US computers infected: http://www.smh.com.au/news/security/a-qu... | Jun 02 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Golly. USAToday said 4 in 10 is a zombie (China has many). | Jun 02 11:51 |
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| [H]omer | Apparently even RMS is "overlooking" the non-Free firmware issue. | Jun 02 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | What is he doing these days anyway? Haven't read anything in a while. | Jun 02 11:52 |
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| [H]omer | dunno | Jun 02 11:53 |
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| [H]omer | I've come to the conclusion that my views on Freedom are even more radical that Stallman's | Jun 02 11:53 |
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| [H]omer | which is saying quite a lot | Jun 02 11:54 |
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| cozub | sounds scary :-P | Jun 02 11:54 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: he isn't overlooking the non-free kernel issue | Jun 02 11:55 |
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| hassanibraheem | he mentioned that issue in a talk I watched recently | Jun 02 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | If you don't stand up for freedom, you lose it. Show a gap, someone will take advantage. Always. Fight to keep oxygen free, too. :-) Well, suffocating might lead to rebellion... take people to the streets. | Jun 02 11:55 |
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| hassanibraheem | don't remember which, but RMS's view on freedom on the web is strange | Jun 02 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, on May 1st I attended a talk where he spoke about it. He was showing his XO/OLPC. | Jun 02 11:56 |
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| hassanibraheem | in the Manchester talk I remember he mentioned Google Docs for example | Jun 02 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | @cozub: the media downplays the seriousness of Windows chaos. It can otherwise cause panix | Jun 02 11:57 |
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| [H]omer | "At present, essentially all GNU/Linux distros include the non-free firmware, because it was too hard to remove. So we decided to overlook the issue for the time being" ~ RMS : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki... | Jun 02 11:57 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: strange, isn't that what linux-libre doing in BLAG now? | Jun 02 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | It would not surprise me if the cost of Windows (in)security exceeds a quarter of a trillion worldwide. | Jun 02 11:58 |
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| hassanibraheem | *is doing | Jun 02 11:58 |
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| [H]omer | hmm | Jun 02 11:58 |
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| [H]omer | dunno how old that quote is though | Jun 02 11:59 |
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| [H]omer | Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:45:49 -0500 | Jun 02 11:59 |
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| [H]omer | He must have tightened up his policy since then | Jun 02 12:00 |
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| hassanibraheem | I don't think linux-libre was his idea anyway | Jun 02 12:00 |
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| [H]omer | "Why Linus Torvalds tolerates and distributes this I have no idea. He surely has some rationale buried in a LKML flamewar somewhere, but it doesn\u2019t change the fact that there is clearly non-Free code in the Linux kernel." ~ http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/?p=244 | Jun 02 12:03 |
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| [H]omer | Well Linus does "like Tivoization", after all | Jun 02 12:04 |
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| [H]omer | Yes, I am far too radical, obviously | Jun 02 12:04 |
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| hassanibraheem | exactly, it's quite strange, with those big names like IBM , Red Hat, Google, shouldn't they take those non-free parts out? | Jun 02 12:05 |
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| [H]omer | ;) | Jun 02 12:05 |
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| hassanibraheem | even legally, they should care about this | Jun 02 12:05 |
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| [H]omer | I think I'd like to give BLAG a spin, to see how well it copes with my systems | Jun 02 12:06 |
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| [H]omer | Well I've basically just been slapped down by Rahul Sundaram of Fedora with the old "if it's good enough for RMS, it's good enough for us" routine | Jun 02 12:08 |
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| [H]omer | Trouble is, RMS doesn't give special consideration to the predatory nature of Microsoft | Jun 02 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure Linux was ever a big fan of freedom | Jun 02 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | His dad was an activist for communist as I understand it, but Linus started Linux as proprietary (briefly). | Jun 02 12:09 |
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| hassanibraheem | he was developing proprietary kernel modules for some company IIRC, right? | Jun 02 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure what Transmesa hired him for specifically. He is now paid by Intel, which is their rival. | Jun 02 12:11 |
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| [H]omer | To put it as diplomatically as I can ... the guys at the "top" of the key areas of Free Software are obviously "pragmatists". | Jun 02 12:14 |
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| [H]omer | I hate pragmatism with a passion | Jun 02 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Which guys? The lawyers or engineers? (or the Linux Foundation *sigh*) | Jun 02 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | I think we must look more at analogous situation where people fought suppression of some kind. Apartheid, feminism/sexism, slavery, imperialism, etc. Did they make concessions to achieve their goals? | Jun 02 12:18 |
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| [H]omer | I'm no historian, but somehow those goal were reached ... usually by shedding a lot of blood | Jun 02 12:21 |
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| [H]omer | I hope I don't have to kill people just to get them to wake up and smell the slavery :) | Jun 02 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | Some weeks ago I watched some videos (slightly political) to shed light -- not blood -- on these questions. It's fascinating. Some day in the future, assuming FOSS prevails, people would/might look back at the 70/80-?? era when closing of software was experimented with. | Jun 02 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | GNU wares at another school (news): http://www.itp.net/news/520872-sharjah-school-... | Jun 02 12:25 |
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| hassanibraheem | great news, as I'm from egypt :) | Jun 02 12:28 |
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| [H]omer | What is your (all of you) honest opinion of this: "We think there is nothing wrong with distributing free software that implements patented ideas, as long as the patent holders don't stop you." ~ RMS | Jun 02 12:30 |
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| [H]omer | I just sent this to the fedora-devel list: "IMO there are two types of threat - direct and implied. One may easily infer that Microsoft's intentions towards Free Software are not honourable. Are the Christians going to wait until the lions bite their heads off, before deciding to run away?" | Jun 02 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | He fights swpatents. | Jun 02 12:31 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: I don't fully agree, but he's right, the patent system is broken, and nobo | Jun 02 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | We need to fight this at the core too, but only Fester is rattling. PJ reckons they'll become SCO2. | Jun 02 12:32 |
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| hassanibraheem | * nobody knows what are the borders of such patent claims | Jun 02 12:32 |
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| [H]omer | I think the key word here is "motive" | Jun 02 12:33 |
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| [H]omer | Microsoft's motives are clear | Jun 02 12:33 |
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| hassanibraheem | however, it'd be silly to write software that the developer knows microsoft has a patent on :) | Jun 02 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Homer, it's also an issue of control, not just swpatents. | Jun 02 12:34 |
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| [H]omer | A man with a knife is just a chef chopping carrots, but a psycho with a knife is a killer. Apparently RMS does not make allowances for that WRT Microsoft | Jun 02 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | There's more than one drum to bang on. If Linux adopts .NET, it might kill Java (GPL). We need Sun and we need choice. (and no, Java ain't dying) | Jun 02 12:35 |
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| [H]omer | I just don't see that anyone needs .NET at all | Jun 02 12:36 |
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| hassanibraheem | yes, java ain't dying, but unfortunately I don't see it coming to the linux desktop :( | Jun 02 12:36 |
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| [H]omer | Well there is already IcedTea | Jun 02 12:36 |
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| [H]omer | Which is 99% of all Java | Jun 02 12:37 |
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| [H]omer | Unless you mean popularity | Jun 02 12:37 |
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| hassanibraheem | and there is openjdk which I think is now related to IcedTea somehow, but I mean applications | Jun 02 12:37 |
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| [H]omer | AFAICT Java programming is still the No1 job | Jun 02 12:37 |
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| [H]omer | Oh, apps! I see | Jun 02 12:38 |
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| [H]omer | Yes there is a dearth in that area | Jun 02 12:38 |
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| [H]omer | Azureus is about the only one I can name | Jun 02 12:38 |
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| [H]omer | Erm ... | Jun 02 12:38 |
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| [H]omer | Nope, that's all | Jun 02 12:38 |
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| hassanibraheem | and there is FreeMind (I think that's the name) | Jun 02 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | hassanibraheem, I saw some news about this earlier. I'll post it in BN later. | Jun 02 12:39 |
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| [H]omer | Well /somebody/ is using it, judging by all the Java job vacancies I keep seeing | Jun 02 12:39 |
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| [H]omer | Enterprise only, I guess | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| [H]omer | sux | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: sure, java is great for business and enterprise stuff | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's a broader issue. | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Java is big ons ervers too. If you lose to .NET on the servers, that's really bad. | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has plans for server lock-in (REST, XAML, etc) | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| [H]omer | I recall there was a stack that ran on top of Java called AmigaDE, a gaming platform for mobile/UMPC etc. You never hear about that now | Jun 02 12:41 |
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| [H]omer | Nokia were supposed to be adopting it a lot | Jun 02 12:41 |
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| *iweepyoulaugh (i=iweep@gateway/tor/x-8b6cd453216d6f17) has joined #boycottnovell | Jun 02 12:42 |
| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: Nokia, one company that I can't really understand !!! | Jun 02 12:42 |
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| [H]omer | yeah, bizarre | Jun 02 12:42 |
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| [H]omer | They wan't Free Software so they can make it non-Free, or something | Jun 02 12:42 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | lol | Jun 02 12:43 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | ok i see an opensuse member, raise your tentacle if you're a ms shill | Jun 02 12:43 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | too late, I see a few waving! | Jun 02 12:43 |
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| [H]omer | I don't think they come here without an invite ;) | Jun 02 12:44 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | it's no surprise that opensuse has a lizard logo and collaborates with ms | Jun 02 12:44 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | you've all seen the V series I imagine | Jun 02 12:44 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | [H]omer, they are everywhere | Jun 02 12:44 |
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| [H]omer | It's a pity, because SuSE (minus Novell) used to be really good | Jun 02 12:44 |
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| *yoonkit has quit ("bye") | Jun 02 12:45 |
| iweepyoulaugh | so did grandma before she dried up | Jun 02 12:45 |
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| [H]omer | I wish Germany would declare war on Novell and reclaim their "territory" | Jun 02 12:45 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | I used to enjoy french kisses and afternoon delights | Jun 02 12:45 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | [H]omer, I have invested in a chicken farm | Jun 02 12:46 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | the ballmer egg video inspired me to do this | Jun 02 12:46 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | every chicken has been kissed on the head and anointed with the holy linux rights | Jun 02 12:47 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | each egg is sacred and will be added to a warehouse of eggs | Jun 02 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | I has SUSE at home and at work for years. | Jun 02 12:47 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | this new chicken army will reign surpreme | Jun 02 12:48 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | sure schestowitz, play it up | Jun 02 12:48 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | let's kiss some ass | Jun 02 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | No, no. | Jun 02 12:48 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | anyone who wears the suse tag is a whore | Jun 02 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | The point I am making is that I turned from a SUSE/Novell fan into a critic. | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | yes yes | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | you either shit or get off the pot | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | the suse people are turd gobblers | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | haven't we all? | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | the intelligent ones, I mean | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | bunch of scat munching MS lovers | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Easy buddy, with the language. It can be used against us. | Jun 02 12:49 |
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| iweepyoulaugh | darnit all I have to go, my grandpa needs his rod greased | Jun 02 12:50 |
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| *iweepyoulaugh has quit ("Leaving") | Jun 02 12:50 |
| schestowitz | SUSE users are caught in the middle. It's Novell where the suits want to secure their paycheck. | Jun 02 12:50 |
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| *Received a DCC CHAT offer from [H]omer | Jun 02 12:50 |
| *DCC CHAT connection established to [H]omer [78.32.124.100:46030] | Jun 02 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Just gone, eh? | Jun 02 12:52 |
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| [H]omer | yeah, you want to kickban idiots like that | Jun 02 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Call me what you will, but I've heard from people that poisoning of sites is done in this way (obscene language). | Jun 02 12:53 |
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| [H]omer | yes I believe it | Jun 02 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch /. for an example (before they cleaned up around 2006). | Jun 02 12:53 |
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| [H]omer | Bet you that was Nudds | Jun 02 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | The Scott Douglas Munchkin, eh? What the S* references. | Jun 02 12:54 |
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| [H]omer | yup | Jun 02 12:54 |
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| *DCC CHAT to [H]omer aborted. | Jun 02 12:54 |
| [H]omer | His style | Jun 02 12:54 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: do u believe that the news u linked about Sharjah School isn't available in the arabic version of the site :( | Jun 02 12:57 |
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| [H]omer | lol | Jun 02 12:57 |
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| [H]omer | I worked in the middle-east for a while. They ain't Free Software fanatics | Jun 02 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | I won't pass this around outside (because it's Maureen O'Gara, who spied on PJ and played up SCO), but see http://linux.sys-con.com/read/579238.htm . She usually tries to boost Novell at Red Hat's expense. She's anti-ODF too. Anti-RMS. You name it. Blatantly. | Jun 02 12:58 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: yup , unfortunately | Jun 02 12:58 |
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| [H]omer | I refuse to visit linux.sys-con.com on religious grounds (aversion to spam) | Jun 02 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I believe this because Heise is the same. You know what's sad? All the good news about FOSS comes outside the UK/US/CA, so all we ever see is Linux news from SA and some stuff in foreign languages. | Jun 02 12:59 |
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| [H]omer | That's not sad, it's just typical. The West is money-obsessed | Jun 02 13:00 |
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| [H]omer | Free == Bad | Jun 02 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | The English press is fighting (suppressing) FOSS because of the money trail, which is tied to that same ol' solidarity. | Jun 02 13:00 |
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| [H]omer | Yes indeed | Jun 02 13:00 |
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| hassanibraheem | unfortunately, in egypt, they're not money-obssesed | Jun 02 13:01 |
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| hassanibraheem | they're microsoft-obssesed | Jun 02 13:01 |
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| [H]omer | lol | Jun 02 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | There are some blogs where people translate articles about migrations. | Jun 02 13:01 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: Is that where you are now? | Jun 02 13:01 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: yup | Jun 02 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | hassanibraheem, same thing. People are like birds following the seeds. | Jun 02 13:02 |
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| cyberorg | wow there are a dozen people here :) | Jun 02 13:02 |
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| [H]omer | the borg! the borg! Full power to the main deflector dish | Jun 02 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | money-obsessed and microsoft-obsessed are not mutually exclusive. | Jun 02 13:02 |
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| cyberorg | hi schestowitz, nice of you to digg my post :) | Jun 02 13:03 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: how's the weather? ;) | Jun 02 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. Which one? Who are you? :-) | Jun 02 13:03 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: kinda hot :D | Jun 02 13:04 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: I was in Kuwait in 2003 ... out in the desert | Jun 02 13:04 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: it's hot, but I'm quite sure not like Kuwait :D | Jun 02 13:04 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: In February at 9AM it was 50oC in the shade | Jun 02 13:04 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: I came within 1000 feet of two exploding SCUDS | Jun 02 13:05 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: they were destroyed above my head by Rapier missiles | Jun 02 13:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: oh | Jun 02 13:06 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: I got knocked back on my ass about 15 feet | Jun 02 13:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: what was that for? | Jun 02 13:07 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: I hated that job :) | Jun 02 13:07 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: civilian contract to the US armed forces | Jun 02 13:07 |
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| hassanibraheem | [H]omer: civilian? :D | Jun 02 13:08 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: yeah, the nearest I got to military duty was when I was in the boy scouts | Jun 02 13:08 |
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| [H]omer | hassanibraheem: those Yanks can't do anything themselves | Jun 02 13:09 |
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| [H]omer | ;) | Jun 02 13:09 |
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| hassanibraheem | :D | Jun 02 13:09 |
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| [H]omer | Actually Kuwait City is fascinating | Jun 02 13:10 |
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| [H]omer | It's a mixture of extreme opulence and bullets | Jun 02 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | I had a conversation about this the other day (world's supply of oil and those fighting for it). Education is key. | Jun 02 13:11 |
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| [H]omer | Did you know that the Kuwait government /pay/ all their citizens an "incentive" to stay in Kuwait. It's like 2 or 3 grand a month! | Jun 02 13:12 |
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| [H]omer | Really! | Jun 02 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | If I were to try to nudge this off topic, I'd say that Microsoft is very much the same in the sense that it always looks for new revenue drills (Zune, XBox). | Jun 02 13:12 |
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| [H]omer | Bah Microsoft | Jun 02 13:13 |
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| [H]omer | They need to die | Jun 02 13:13 |
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| [H]omer | Please God send an earthquake to Redmond | Jun 02 13:13 |
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| hassanibraheem | I dunno what microsoft is up to for the middle-east | Jun 02 13:13 |
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| [H]omer | Actually it's not just Microsoft. The "greed" culture in endemic in the West | Jun 02 13:14 |
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| hassanibraheem | its internet plan will fail here, for sure | Jun 02 13:14 |
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| [H]omer | They plan on being an ISP? | Jun 02 13:14 |
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| [H]omer | Or search/ads | Jun 02 13:15 |
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| hassanibraheem | no, that dream of competing with google and Windows Live thing | Jun 02 13:15 |
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| [H]omer | That Yahoo thing was hilarious | Jun 02 13:15 |
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| [H]omer | Lose 30 Billion USD just to /try/ to buy a company. LOL | Jun 02 13:15 |
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| [H]omer | And the whole Live Services thing is a joke too. Look at the mess Xbox people are in | Jun 02 13:16 |
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| [H]omer | How safe is your Xbox account? Hmmmm | Jun 02 13:16 |
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| [H]omer | OneCare Live is a mess | Jun 02 13:17 |
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| hassanibraheem | btw, shouldn't those Live Services in Windows 7 trigger some anti-trust investigations? | Jun 02 13:17 |
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| [H]omer | Yes | Jun 02 13:17 |
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| [H]omer | Everything MS does should trigger major investigations | Jun 02 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | hassanibraheem, in the ME, Microsoft seems to have made many partnerships and crackdown recently. I watch Microsoft closely, so I see this frequently. More than before. | Jun 02 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Xbox staff is leaving in big numbers. Or left. It wouldn't surprise me if they moved these ops to China. | Jun 02 13:19 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: in my college, they are very microsof-obssesed | Jun 02 13:19 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: a friend of mine told me once that the college is "sponsored" by microsoft | Jun 02 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | hassanibraheem, I saw that W7 antitrust thing about a year ago when an article came up. The EC is already probing this using a current build. | Jun 02 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Get them while they are young" | Jun 02 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | Same in France now. Microsoft-sponsored Unis, thanks to the president. They influence the curriculum too. They teach kids about IP now. And patents. Whatever works well for overseas monopolies. | Jun 02 13:21 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: c# and stuff, and huge discounts on Microsoft's products, while microsoft enjoys tax "discounts" from the country too | Jun 02 13:21 |
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| hassanibraheem | big companies aren't fascinated by microsoft, but, they are somehow restricted to what the community has | Jun 02 13:22 |
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| hassanibraheem | and in that case it's .NET developers | Jun 02 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, yes. They try to capture people and use gratis strategy to ensure the kids don't turn to FOSS. It was in the news a while ago. | Jun 02 13:23 |
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| [H]omer | Well I need to get some work done. Cya later tonight. | Jun 02 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | I was once taught at school about Egypt cycle of poverty. it's the same with Microsoft. It's a cycle. | Jun 02 13:23 |
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| hassanibraheem | the OLPC news makes me really angry, they quote egyptian ministers question "do you run windows?" everywhere | Jun 02 13:24 |
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| hassanibraheem | it's really ugly, when the government says "don't give us free software, we need windows" !!! | Jun 02 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | There was a similar thing in Romania last year. The president/PM thanked Windows 'piracy', saying it built the nation. | Jun 02 13:27 |
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| hassanibraheem | "built" ? like "our country is ready for microsoft taking control" ? :D | Jun 02 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jun 02 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I meant to suggest that diplomats use Windows, so they can't think of anything else. They also need to justify their own choice. | Jun 02 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | Fortunately, SA, part of the EU and South America start moving the government to FOSS, so this cyclic trap might be avoided. | Jun 02 13:36 |
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| JukeBoxer | hii | Jun 02 13:39 |
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| JukeBoxer | i just emailed pj asking to clarify the mono convent | Jun 02 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | hi | Jun 02 13:39 |
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| JukeBoxer | lets see what grok says abt mono | Jun 02 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, maybe she'll be tight-lipped | Jun 02 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's a controversial subject, so she quoted Bradley. | Jun 02 13:40 |
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| JukeBoxer | just installed fedora.. its faster than ubuntu but i still like ubuntu | Jun 02 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva looks quite decent too. | Jun 02 13:40 |
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| JukeBoxer | i knoww...ubuntu has lot of packages.. | Jun 02 13:41 |
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| JukeBoxer | :) | Jun 02 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | AlanW is running around trying to spread the message everywhere (LY, OSNews, Digg), but I haven't seen many bad reviews. Can't say the same about Ubuntu 8.04. | Jun 02 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Even Beranger is OK(ish) with it. | Jun 02 13:42 |
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| bluefacepaint | wow this is real channel, saw the slashdot posting | Jun 02 15:25 |
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| hassanibraheem | bluefacepaint: it's on slashdot? | Jun 02 15:25 |
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| bluefacepaint | someone posted a message there | Jun 02 15:26 |
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| bluefacepaint | thought I'd try this out | Jun 02 15:26 |
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| hassanibraheem | :) | Jun 02 15:26 |
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| bluefacepaint | not much happening at the moment or is it scheduled chats? | Jun 02 15:27 |
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| hassanibraheem | it's still the first day (or second I think) , so we discuss stuff as they come out | Jun 02 15:28 |
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| hassanibraheem | and anyone can start a discussion ofcorse :) | Jun 02 15:28 |
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| bluefacepaint | oh okay | Jun 02 15:28 |
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| bluefacepaint | I would like a boycottnovell screensaver | Jun 02 15:29 |
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| hassanibraheem | but, why were u amazed anyway ? :D | Jun 02 15:29 |
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| bluefacepaint | Because usually the communication is web based | Jun 02 15:30 |
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| bluefacepaint | People start forums or mailing lists | Jun 02 15:30 |
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| bluefacepaint | how is my text showing up | Jun 02 15:31 |
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| hassanibraheem | great! ? :D | Jun 02 15:31 |
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| bluefacepaint | goodie I hope so | Jun 02 15:31 |
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| bluefacepaint | it's hard to use this chat | Jun 02 15:31 |
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| bluefacepaint | I ate something strange earlier now everything is melting | Jun 02 15:31 |
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| bluefacepaint | cant concentrate gotta go | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| hassanibraheem | yup, but it appears many people are used to it :D | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| hassanibraheem | so, I should look for an IRC beginner guide :D | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | hope chat is good i like blue worlds | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | blue worlds with blue birds without a TAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | my eyes bleed inside | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | they cry for light | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | they say light light birds in flight | Jun 02 15:32 |
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| bluefacepaint | seashells in the ears are fancy delight | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | i cannot swim i cannot breathe | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | but i can tease the oysters of the stream | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | dont know CRYSTAL CLEAR OCEANS are for the skimming | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | you skim thoughts ACROSS the water! | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| hassanibraheem | ? | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | did you know this | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | you can transfer thought across the surface of water | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | I have done this several times | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | this is how you COMMUNICATE with sea creatures | Jun 02 15:33 |
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| bluefacepaint | life beneath the ocean | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | it is BEAUTIFUL and I fly now | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | fly fly fly | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | you fly back to school now | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | starling | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | fly fly fly | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| bluefacepaint | fly fly fly | Jun 02 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | Weird. It's the second time someone comes, drops some inane words and walks away. At least no vulgarities this time. :-) | Jun 02 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft seems to be gaining or retaining some control inside ISO. I'll post something about it shortly. | Jun 02 15:47 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: good, and about that guy, if the channel is really on slashdot, so we should expect more ;) | Jun 02 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | I no longer read Slashdot. I don't trust it under the current editorship, but if it's there, it can't do harm. I've received a mail an hour ago about Ladislav (DistroWatch) posting pro-SUSE material. Someone thought it was a Novell plant. | Jun 02 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to be away for a long while. I'll stay connected though. | Jun 02 16:24 |
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| hassanibraheem | ok, hope there are no more nonsense visitors :D | Jun 02 16:25 |
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| cozub | lol to bluefacepaint, thanks to him it feels like real IRC :)) | Jun 02 17:42 |
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| hassanibraheem | :D | Jun 02 17:43 |
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| hassanibraheem | hey | Jun 02 20:39 |
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| hassanibraheem | check this out | Jun 02 20:39 |
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| hassanibraheem | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pr... | Jun 02 20:39 |
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| hassanibraheem | hello? :D | Jun 02 21:01 |
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| cozub | well... I never liked HP | Jun 02 21:13 |
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| hassanibraheem | I don't like HP, and I never liked toolbars, too | Jun 02 21:16 |
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| cozub | yeah, those add-on toolbars suck | Jun 02 21:17 |
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| cozub | but if it's gonna be included in the default crapware that comes with a pc, then it will generate some hits for m$ | Jun 02 21:17 |
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| hassanibraheem | but, the real issue is silverlight, those OSs will come pre-contaminated !! | Jun 02 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | That would server Microsoft's goal. Only Windows would play nice on the XAML Web. Let's see the press release (i've just come back). | Jun 02 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | "serve Microsoft's goals" I meant to say. Now I see it. They play dirty, based on the PR above. And H-P helps them, as usual. | Jun 02 22:59 |
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| hassanibraheem | I wonder if it's a part of a bigger plan | Jun 02 23:00 |
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| hassanibraheem | that may include whatever they buy from yahoo , and facebook, as rumored | Jun 02 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo! Another nation has just appealed OOXML. | Jun 02 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | I suspected that it'll happen on Monday. | Jun 02 23:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | appealed? | Jun 02 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Venezuela | Jun 02 23:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | isn't the deadline over? | Jun 02 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but maybe it wasn't visible until now. I don't know the rules too well, but they bend them. | Jun 02 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | "By Monday, though, the IEC had relaxed its interpretation of the directive: Venezuela's appeal, although filed after May 29, "was filed within the two months of the BRM [ballot resolution meeting] closing so that it is being accepted. (The BRM closed on 29 March 2008 so the interpretation is that the last calendar day of May is being applied)," Buck wrote in an e-mail. | Jun 02 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jun 02 23:09 |
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| hassanibraheem | nice :) | Jun 02 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Denmark too. | Jun 02 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | This is good. | Jun 02 23:10 |
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| [H]omer | that was a busy day | Jun 02 23:11 |
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| [H]omer | what's been happening? | Jun 02 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's control of ISO becomes clearer. | Jun 02 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Honestly. It's subtle, but you can see the influence. | Jun 02 23:13 |
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| [H]omer | it's pretty blatant i'd say | Jun 02 23:13 |
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| [H]omer | lemme check my mail | Jun 02 23:14 |
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| reddsman | The reality is that exclusionary deals with MS are bad. | Jun 02 23:36 |
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| reddsman | MS will just extinguish everything if you make a deal with them. | Jun 02 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, even HP. | Jun 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Although this one is a move against Google: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/06/02/mi... | Jun 02 23:38 |
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| reddsman | True. Forgot about HP. | Jun 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | hey dsmith_ | Jun 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Got logs from yesterday? I accidentally disabled logging at the start. | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| dsmith_ | hi | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| dsmith_ | i believe I do | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| dsmith_ | yep | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| reddsman | Wow guess I'll dump my one HP machine. | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Can you mail them to me ( roy @ schestowiitz . com )? Please? | Jun 02 23:39 |
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| reddsman | dsmith you live in MD, so do I | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. One "I", not two. | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| dsmith_ | ok | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| dsmith_ | hello reddsman | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| dsmith_ | there is a ubuntu MD LUG around | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | H-P is a weirdo OEM because it does a bit of Linux too, but their Linux (mainly Debian) division is like Microsoft Port 25. | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| dsmith_ | brb | Jun 02 23:40 |
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| reddsman | cool. | Jun 02 23:41 |
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| reddsman | I've been playing with ubuntu a bit. It's really nice. | Jun 02 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Package management in Ubuntu seems good. | Jun 02 23:42 |
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| reddsman | I use it on my main machine. Unfortunately I need Microsucks for work but that's another story. | Jun 02 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | They dropped the ball with 8.04 (I haven't tried it though). | Jun 02 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't used Windows for years. It might be hard getting used to click-to-focus . | Jun 02 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9956880-7.h... | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| dsmith_ | sent roy | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | Hahaha! Best thing found so far today. This confirms (again) that it's the next Zuneral. | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| reddsman | I need IE for an internal website or two | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks a million, dsmith | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| dsmith_ | np | Jun 02 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | <reddsman>, you can run multiple versions of IE under GNU/Linux. | Jun 02 23:45 |
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| dsmith_ | reddsman: have you tried ies4linux? | Jun 02 23:45 |
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| dsmith_ | or perhaps user agent switcher | Jun 02 23:45 |
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| dsmith_ | Referring to H-P, I noticed the other day that one can purchase a lenovo laptop sans an OS | Jun 02 23:46 |
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| dsmith_ | they do offer Suse of course, bleh | Jun 02 23:46 |
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| reddsman | No I haven't tried ieslinux. I can try it tomorrow. | Jun 02 23:47 |
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| dsmith_ | its version 6 but it works... | Jun 02 23:47 |
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| reddsman | That's fine. I hate 7 anyway. | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | dmith, that's good (Lenovo news). Price would be interesting. | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| reddsman | That is good news. | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| dsmith_ | let me find the linkagain | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| reddsman | gotta run fellas. | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith, you can run IE7 now, I think. | Jun 02 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | I never used it, but you can run multiple versions at the same time (can't do that in Windows) | Jun 02 23:49 |
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| dsmith_ | http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/con... | Jun 02 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | look under operating system | Jun 02 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | ThinkPad PC DOS License | Jun 02 23:52 |
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| dsmith_ | i know for a fact that the video and wireless will work just by reading the specs | Jun 02 23:52 |
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| dsmith_ | schestowitz: I have no need for ie7 PERIOD | Jun 02 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Me neither. | Jun 02 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | It's a shame they don't just sell people hardware. They certify for Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE, IIRC, at least at Lenovo. | Jun 02 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | They pocket the savings (OS) though. | Jun 02 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | $11.25 | Jun 02 23:58 |
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Comments
Dan O'Brian
2008-06-04 12:19:58
When every single distro you try these shenanigans with laughs in your face and tells you that you're wrong, maybe it's time to rethink your (flawed) logic.
max stirner
2008-06-04 15:28:32
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-04 15:31:22
max stirner
2008-06-04 16:09:34
i did actually play it for a while just because q3 games offered the best ents available on linux, as i've been on a personal MS-boycott-crusade since 2002. later i played quite a bit of urban terror (also linux native obviously).
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-04 16:35:03
http://www.linux.com/feature/136752
Max Stirner
2008-06-04 18:17:08