IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 2nd, 2008

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-07-03 10:51:09 UTC
Modified: 2008-07-03 10:51:09 UTC

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tessier_	http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2008...	Jul 02 02:21
tessier_	schestowitz: You've probably seen that already but if it's true that xandros is buying linspire and xandros is a party to the Microsoft patent agreement it could be interesting.	Jul 02 02:21
tessier_	I used to work for Michael Robertson. I'm not at all surprised that Linspire has turned out this way.	Jul 02 02:21
tessier_	http://siteanalytics.compete.com/l...	Jul 02 02:27
tessier_	That's interesting too	Jul 02 02:27
dsmith_	heh	Jul 02 02:28
dsmith_	wow ubuntu beats everything	Jul 02 02:30
dsmith_	fedora, xubuntu, kubuntu...etc..	Jul 02 02:30
dsmith_	hmmmm	Jul 02 02:30
dsmith_	http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ap...	Jul 02 02:30
dsmith_	sadness	Jul 02 02:30
schestowitz	tessier_, thanks. Yes, good URLs. It'll make it easier for me to track companies now (Linspire not required anymore), But that's just me being lazy or selfish. Either way, those who pay Microsoft for Linux set a dangerous precendence.	Jul 02 05:35
dsmith_	anyone know anything about CPU hardware?	Jul 02 05:39
schestowitz	I know just a little, why? By the way, dsmith_ , H-P will offer FreeDOS laptops.	Jul 02 05:40
dsmith_	HP?? oh eally?	Jul 02 05:40
dsmith_	really?	Jul 02 05:40
dsmith_	I habe to check that out	Jul 02 05:40
dsmith_	i am looking for a pentium 4 1066fsb cpu	Jul 02 05:41
dsmith_	lga775	Jul 02 05:41
schestowitz	Not yet though, dsmith_ . I was pleased yo find this out yesterday. They said that they intend to offer the lower-cost notebooks without SLED and Windows.	Jul 02 05:41
dsmith_	hmmmm are you talking about netbooks as oppossed to laptops?	Jul 02 05:42
schestowitz	I just got my AMD Athlon (dual core) yesterday afternoon), but haven't had the chance to stress-test it yet.	Jul 02 05:42
schestowitz	I'm not sure it's a netbook. It's a little more high-end, IIRC.	Jul 02 05:43
dsmith_	wow $1000 for a pentium 4 1066fsb cpu	Jul 02 05:44
dsmith_	sigh	Jul 02 05:44
schestowitz	Is it for a server?	Jul 02 05:44
dsmith_	nah	Jul 02 05:46
dsmith_	this is a board I bought some time ago	Jul 02 05:46
dsmith_	http://www.anandtech.com/mb/show...	Jul 02 05:46
dsmith_	i am surpised that teh CPUs ares till way high	Jul 02 05:46
dsmith_	hmmmm	Jul 02 05:46
*schestowitz Just followed the URL, still baffled		Jul 02 05:48
dsmith_	its ok	Jul 02 05:49
dsmith_	I should just sell that one on ebay and get me a dual quad board instead	Jul 02 05:49
schestowitz	I have some obsolete hardware at home. The trouble is that it would be hard to find one to whom it's suitable.	Jul 02 05:50
schestowitz	I need to get a multiplier for my GPU this morning (if that's what it's called).	Jul 02 05:51
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schestowitz	Morning, baijum.	Jul 02 05:54
baijum	schestowitz: Good morning !	Jul 02 05:55
schestowitz	Microsoft shills are at it again (just found http://www.managingip.com/Article.aspx?Artic... )	Jul 02 06:03
dsmith_	schestowitz: when you find out about the HP deal, post it	Jul 02 06:22
dsmith_	thx	Jul 02 06:22
schestowitz	I saw it yesterday.	Jul 02 06:22
schestowitz	Have you been following link digests that I post? :-) Let me find it again...	Jul 02 06:24
schestowitz	I'm not sure it's a netbook yet... http://www.theage.com.au/news/upgrade/r... "... HP intends to offer the option of Vista Home Basic, FreeDOS or SuSE Linux Enterprise desktop."	Jul 02 06:24
dsmith_	typically I will skim thorough them	Jul 02 06:25
dsmith_	must have missed this one	Jul 02 06:25
schestowitz	It's not out yet, I think.	Jul 02 06:25
dsmith_	$900 seems hig	Jul 02 06:26
schestowitz	I haven't look closely, which is why I just scan the page for words (that's how I manage to go through lots of news).	Jul 02 06:26
dsmith_	*high	Jul 02 06:26
schestowitz	It's worrying that a lot of laptops run versions of Linux that Microsoft is paid for. Linpus has been a recent exception.	Jul 02 06:27
dsmith_	well everyone's machine that I touch for whatever reason I tell them about the advantages of linux	Jul 02 06:28
schestowitz	Despite the bad name, I've become relieved every time I saw Linpus because it's the way out from Microsoft tax for some simplified laptops. Are you preaching to people about freedom (terms to use are control, death switches, forced upgrades) or power and cost?	Jul 02 06:29
dsmith_	i tell them its free software to use, as in free speech	Jul 02 06:31
dsmith_	ppl think 3-old machines are no god	Jul 02 06:31
dsmith_	*good	Jul 02 06:31
dsmith_	use the the MS upgrade regime	Jul 02 06:31
schestowitz	Intel?	Jul 02 06:32
dsmith_	er..I meant they are used to the MS regime	Jul 02 06:32
schestowitz	I mean, Wintel's regime?	Jul 02 06:32
dsmith_	yea	Jul 02 06:32
schestowitz	Stan Beer nonchalantly called Vista a Wintel project the other day. Very funny.	Jul 02 06:32
schestowitz	People are educated to think in terms of money.. It's an issue,, especially when people (even Novell) compromise others' goodwill for money.	Jul 02 06:33
dsmith_	money isn;t everything	Jul 02 06:34
schestowitz	That said, by all means, people will realise the fear of computers as they gain more control over the user (kill switches, digital 'manners', DRM detonates entire music collection, etc).	Jul 02 06:34
dsmith_	i sorta despise the idea, getting out of bed chasing paper for a living, but thats another subject	Jul 02 06:34
schestowitz	RMS saw this early on.	Jul 02 06:35
dsmith_	I dont fear machines.... thats for sure..	Jul 02 06:35
schestowitz	I personally came to feel like I do a hobby. Even my jobs in the past few years (enough to almost make ends meet) were a breeze.	Jul 02 06:35
dsmith_	well the old saying goes.... Follow your bliss..	Jul 02 06:36
schestowitz	dsmith_, you might now worry about or fear computers but some enterprise should. They put valuable data under a platform where 40% of all PCs are estimated to be zombies (yes, part of a botnet). Security aside, the financial stake is a huge problem. They have no control whatsoever.	Jul 02 06:37
dsmith_	i know	Jul 02 06:39
dsmith_	I do alot of reading..	Jul 02 06:39
dsmith_	place where I work at has the same potential problems	Jul 02 06:39
dsmith_	i told certain ppl about installing recovery software and no one listening, so today someone calls me to tell me that thier laptop was stolen	Jul 02 06:40
schestowitz	I have a friend (you might know him) who almost refuses to buy from shops that use Windows to process credit card details.	Jul 02 06:40
dsmith_	lol, thats a good thing to do	Jul 02 06:41
dsmith_	how do you go about checking for that	Jul 02 06:41
schestowitz	Data theft due to physical loss is another big issue.	Jul 02 06:41
schestowitz	Some people encrypt personal stuff like pr0n but when it comes to personal records of 50 million _other_ people, they can't care enough.	Jul 02 06:42
dsmith_	I know, I am amazed that compnaies are not fined heavily for that	Jul 02 06:42
schestowitz	dsmith_, if site extensions don't say enough, NetCraft might help. Anyway, this guy I talk about had an online brawl with the IT of the company concerned. They tried to explain (with excludes) that Windows does not run at 'the ends'.	Jul 02 06:43
dsmith_	heh	Jul 02 06:44
dsmith_	online brawl.....love it..	Jul 02 06:44
schestowitz	Confrontation anyway. Schneier recently wrote about people feeling safe when they shop online (they shouldn't)	Jul 02 06:45
dsmith_	i dont feel safe, however I have yet to have a prblem	Jul 02 06:46
schestowitz	Security cannot comes as a 'feature', 'addon' or afterthought. Some time ago a major chain lost hold of 50 million people's records. Wi-Fi was to blame, but you had to dig in to find this out. They always try to hide it and the Partner Group [sic] recently said that most data leaks are kept secret, never reported (one guy was fired for leaking'). Anyway, Windows had a known severe Wi-Fi/Bluetooth flaws for _years_. Microsoft didn't patch it.	Jul 02 06:48
dsmith_	tj max incident?	Jul 02 06:49
schestowitz	Yes. I want to budge this a little on topic, so bear in mind that Gates openly (but behind closed doors) explained what he knew about the severity of security issues. They meet the government too. Most Windows PCs will soon be zombies because it gets worse.	Jul 02 06:50
schestowitz	Then we have Microsoft's need to rescue Windows (the 7 thing is a mess and I don't tell you this in a fanboyish way). They need to redo things like Apple did years ago (OS X).	Jul 02 06:51
dsmith_	agree	Jul 02 06:52
schestowitz	And that's where Novell and the licensing come into play. Option 1: buy Novell or use it as a subsidiary while working as a _licensing_ company; Option 2: produce an O/S that combines the best of both platforms.	Jul 02 06:52
dsmith_	I just dont see them moving fast enough	Jul 02 06:53
dsmith_	I started setting up linux boxes at teh compnay, but our cfo halted that after he found out	Jul 02 06:53
dsmith_	lol	Jul 02 06:53
schestowitz	I ought to add: Microsoft sees Linux as a greater threat than Linux (it says so) because when you buy from Apple, you pay Microsoft. It's the swpatents model. Then, come to consider Remix, where Shuttleworth pays Microsoft for codecs, per unit.	Jul 02 06:54
dsmith_	...his line was...we need to stick to standards and MS is a standard for business	Jul 02 06:54
schestowitz	You misspelled "was" :-)	Jul 02 06:54
dsmith_	i still rather stick with linux period..	Jul 02 06:54
schestowitz	See this one I found half an hour ago: http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/c... "CEO's Diary: Linux? [...]The big issue now is email management. If we can manage that and diary scheduling OK (which is a big question) the real issue is when some Linux platforms are now very stable and have long term support, why are we Microsoft based? "	Jul 02 06:55
schestowitz	I know people who share links with colleagues and managers to have them persuaded.	Jul 02 06:55
dsmith_	our office just deployed exchange 2003 over my comments	Jul 02 06:55
dsmith_	now they are complainging about it	Jul 02 06:55
schestowitz	Downtime seems high. There's one Exchange server where I am and its choas compared to my Linux-based mail server. It also caught some viruses before (yes, the server)	Jul 02 06:56
dsmith_	interesting	Jul 02 06:56
dsmith_	heh, we are having he same problems	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	down time	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	maybe two a week the thing must be rebooted	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	that is thier solution, just rebot it	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	it hangs and they cannot remote in	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	so they ask me to hard reboot it	Jul 02 06:57
schestowitz	I mean, I hardly have messages ever routed from the server, but it bothers me when Thunderbird always has popups about downtime at that server. Hasn't happened for years on mine (schestowitz.com, running on Red Hat)	Jul 02 06:57
dsmith_	I just yank the power cord out of the back and grin	Jul 02 06:58
dsmith_	and turn it back on...it still takes alot of time to come back up	Jul 02 06:58
schestowitz	The joys of Windows. Well, be aware that the Microsoft's beloved Yankee Group reports _WORSE_ downtime in subsequent versions of WS (03-08)	Jul 02 06:58
schestowitz	It's the Vista of servers. ME 2.0.	Jul 02 06:59
dsmith_	2008?	Jul 02 06:59
dsmith_	2003 seems stable, I used that as my desktop OS for ahwile long ago	Jul 02 06:59
schestowitz	Yes. Bear in mind that this isn't just opportunistic Microsoft bashing. I try to tell you how much trouble they are in and why they strangle Linux with FUID, threat and other nasties. They envy FOSS.	Jul 02 07:00
dsmith_	i know.... MS seems painted itself into a corner	Jul 02 07:01
schestowitz	In fact, recent MSFT acquisitions are all FOSS-based. It has become so embarrassing.	Jul 02 07:01
schestowitz	Over a year ago, someone who had advocated Linux since the 90s saw the attacks coming (e.g. May 2007 FUD). He said that Microsoft won't give up without fighting like a bully. Later came bullying of Yahoo, ISO (for OOXML, etc. Microsoft is totally out of control sometimes.	Jul 02 07:03
dsmith_	stallman?	Jul 02 07:04
schestowitz	No, Roy Culley.	Jul 02 07:05
dsmith_	MS should just focus on the OS and office software	Jul 02 07:06
dsmith_	drop everything else	Jul 02 07:06
schestowitz	Pardon the typos. Anyway, that's why Microsoft needs to be watched, not guarded. It should be on probation/parole, so to speak. I've lost sleep over the need to track OOXML abuses, in the sense that some days I had too many incidents to keep track of	Jul 02 07:06
dsmith_	heh	Jul 02 07:06
dsmith_	alot of ppl dont care it seems	Jul 02 07:07
dsmith_	complacent amd MS abuses that and knows it	Jul 02 07:07
schestowitz	dsmith_, these two products are among the few that are profitable (source: Wilcox, Microsoft Watch), but they lose that too because of SaaS.	Jul 02 07:07
schestowitz	dsmith_, the OOXML abuses are something we need as 'ammunition'	Jul 02 07:08
dsmith_	well isn;t the EU working them over now?	Jul 02 07:08
schestowitz	If a person from country X asks me how Microsoft has _recently_ abused him/her, then I can look it up and give examples. Of course, there's a lot more than just OOXML and I have an extensive set of examples (Groklaw has a lot more).	Jul 02 07:09
schestowitz	Yes, Microsoft has just sent the ACT and CompTIA shills over there: http://www.managingip.com/Article.aspx?A...	Jul 02 07:09
schestowitz	The ACT shills confronted me two weeks ago. Also see remarks from GL (last night): http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php	Jul 02 07:10
schestowitz	[PJ: Yup. The BSA and CompTIA are riding agin. Yippee-ki-yi-ay, it's a range war, and here comes the pr machine, and along with them dutifully ride some of the media. "The software industry" is expressing concerns? IP is being "sacrificed"? Or is it some fronts for Microsoft expressing concern? Take your pick. I'm pretty sure Red Hat isn't complaining, and they are part of the software industry, after all....	Jul 02 07:10
dsmith_	bsa...	Jul 02 07:12
dsmith_	hmmmmmmm...	Jul 02 07:12
schestowitz	Microsoft pays them, so they defend Microsoft. It's the 'ecosystem effect'. Same with OOXML. Microsoft +ecosystem versus the world...	Jul 02 07:12
dsmith_	aye	Jul 02 07:12
dsmith_	they protect adobe, autocad, symantec and a few others	Jul 02 07:13
schestowitz	Yes, that's the BSA anyway. All of them have one thing in common too: proprietary. It's no surprise that the BSA has a FOSS-hostile past.	Jul 02 07:14
schestowitz	Examples here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/09...	Jul 02 07:15
dsmith_	lol....Example #2: Hypocrisy off the port bow!	Jul 02 07:18
dsmith_	hmmm I know Vista can be cracked, i did it one time to prove to someone..	Jul 02 07:19
dsmith_	but I wont even run it	Jul 02 07:19
dsmith_	no need	Jul 02 07:19
dsmith_	with the enconomy goign south, I can see the need for MS waning in my opinion..	Jul 02 07:20
dsmith_	well I am off to bed	Jul 02 07:20
dsmith_	g'day or night....	Jul 02 07:20
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schestowitz	Charlie McCreevy is at it again, along with Microsoft's mouthpieces that claim to be speaking on behalf of SMEs: http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Deta...	Jul 02 07:37
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ZiggyFish	hey	Jul 02 09:07
ZiggyFish	schestowitz: are you there	Jul 02 09:07
schestowitz	Hey buddy. How are you. I was just about to leave for a moment. I need to get something for my new PC. Maybe I'll set up a triple-head. :-)	Jul 02 09:12
schestowitz	I'll be back in half an hour.	Jul 02 09:12
ZiggyFish	k	Jul 02 09:12
ZiggyFish	just wanted to know some good linux news sources	Jul 02 09:12
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schestowitz	ZiggyFish, are you still there?	Jul 02 11:24
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ZiggyFish	yes	Jul 02 13:17
ZiggyFish	I'll be back tomorrow night	Jul 02 13:35
ZiggyFish	c ya	Jul 02 13:37
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schestowitz	Hey, RogerBacon	Jul 02 16:50
RogerBacon	hiii	Jul 02 16:50
schestowitz	Sorry about yesterday. I really had to leave. It's that new PC I got... driving me crazy how it works perfectly out of the box, but it's a lot of work and a distraction from what I normally do.	Jul 02 16:50
RogerBacon	*** The girls i as a crush on, i didn't see him in last 2 week on MSN :@	Jul 02 16:50
RogerBacon	no problem ;)	Jul 02 16:51
schestowitz	What's that about MSN?	Jul 02 16:51
RogerBacon	i dont have is phone number	Jul 02 16:52
RogerBacon	was only talking to her on MSN	Jul 02 16:52
schestowitz	Oh, I see. I once met a special girl on ICQ. Back in the days. We're still in touch after so many years.	Jul 02 16:53
schestowitz	Some incognito reporter is boosting Mono. :-S http://www.computerweekly.com/Arti... (he must not heard of things like Java)	Jul 02 17:22
RogerBacon	java is total crap	Jul 02 17:31
schestowitz	Have you tried it?	Jul 02 17:32
RogerBacon	do you want the real answer ?	Jul 02 17:33
RogerBacon	http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca...	Jul 02 17:34
RogerBacon	I love the canadian telco cartel ...	Jul 02 17:34
schestowitz	I know there's a battle of perception around Microsoft/Sun (Sun is an engineering company, Microsoft is a marketing company). Microsoft was caught gaming some .NET/Java polls, so don't be easily fooled by what you hear.	Jul 02 17:36
schestowitz	Cartels are everywhere. it's hugely important to have them identified and the information publicly shared for those who are curious but cannot research.	Jul 02 17:36
RogerBacon	we have telus, rogers, and bell in canada ...	Jul 02 17:38
RogerBacon	and the competitive bureau just autorised another merge ...	Jul 02 17:38
RogerBacon	we have one GSM provider :S	Jul 02 17:38
RogerBacon	did you see the canadian iPhone price ?	Jul 02 17:39
RogerBacon	that's disgusting :/	Jul 02 17:39
schestowitz	I can imagine. The regulatory bodies are easy to influenc3e (corrupt) too	Jul 02 17:40
schestowitz	Today in the MSBBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol... (Google Yahoo ad deal faces probe)	Jul 02 17:40
RogerBacon	anyway, does java is open source now ?	Jul 02 17:41
schestowitz	I still opine, as I said in a BN.com post a few hours ago, that the Corel/Microsoft deal (and the same for Novell) should have been stopped. Microsoft builds a Trust (as in Anti-Trust)	Jul 02 17:41
schestowitz	Yes. 100% pretty soon. GPL, which means you can run your stuff nicely under you control even 20 years from now.	Jul 02 17:42
schestowitz	It's awful when you write open-source (and Free) code that relies on a proprietary stack. I made this mistake with MATLAB.	Jul 02 17:43
RogerBacon	well, java seem harder to learn first	Jul 02 17:46
RogerBacon	did you have tryed eclipse ?	Jul 02 18:03
schestowitz	No, I've just had it installed. Some application I used required it (test build). It's a very fast-growing phenomenon.	Jul 02 18:06
schestowitz	Whatever you do, remember that when you bet on .NET, you bet on Microsoft as a future leader (yet none of the SaaS stream really cares for .NET). Microsoft tries to spread itself to other places using Mono in order to benefit itself, but don't see that as an acknowledgement that .NET is better.,	Jul 02 18:08
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schestowitz	TThere's an increase in a nonchalant attitude towards Microsoft's abuses ( http://www.computerworld.com/acti... ). How quickly journos forget...	Jul 02 21:10
PetoKraus	that article is bullshit	Jul 02 21:23
schestowitz	There's another one: http://macdailynews.com/index.ph... (several more out there)	Jul 02 21:24
PetoKraus	well, i don't know much about PDF	Jul 02 21:24
PetoKraus	is it really open?	Jul 02 21:24
schestowitz	Heh. Well, Adobe takes the lead with Acrobat, which is proprietary software. They should really just break it apart and open it up. They make profit from composition tools, not the viewer.	Jul 02 21:25
PetoKraus	the acrobat reader is useless...	Jul 02 21:27
PetoKraus	when you get things like evince	Jul 02 21:27
PetoKraus	what i was asking was - is PDF really open, or just some poorly documented open-alike hidden binary blob?	Jul 02 21:28
schestowitz	Acrobat is bloated and I typically have very little RAM. Either way, expect Microsoft and ECMA to shove a GPL-hostile XPS down ISO's throat.	Jul 02 21:28
PetoKraus	DisplayLikePDF1.0 :P	Jul 02 21:28
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schestowitz	I don't enough about it. Either way, there's a big difference between standardising light bulbs and turning reference source code to specs after a decade of development.	Jul 02 21:29
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PetoKraus	sure	Jul 02 21:30
PetoKraus	but it's still a good thing, isn't it?	Jul 02 21:30
PetoKraus	i mean, i know we are talking about ISO	Jul 02 21:31
schestowitz	ISO lost its reputation. But I think they'll ruin IEEE too because they grew closer. The whole thing appears to be industrialised to the point where a standard can be bought. What on earth if ECMA anyway? What is it? Think about it.	Jul 02 21:32
PetoKraus	"Question: What exactly was supposed to be the point of having an international document standard if the standards committee can't keep their legs closed, so to speak? What am I supposed to do with this three-headed baby? Which two should I lop off?"	Jul 02 21:33
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schestowitz	MSFT 4:00PM ET 25.88 Down 0.99 Down 3.68%	Jul 02 21:57
schestowitz	Wow!	Jul 02 21:57
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