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New OOXML Fiasco: Germany and Canada Propose Microsoft as Editor for ODF-OOXML Convergence

Result of the vote just in...

It should be clear to see that 'puppet nation', which only joined very briefly in order to serve Microsoft, did not vote this time around. They have already done their job. A few of those that voted seem keen enough to go on the record and propose that Microsoft takes over.

Here is the recommendation from Canada: John Weigelt, National Technology Officer for Microsoft Canada.

Germany put down Mario Wendt of Microsoft Deutschland. Mario also stuffed attended the horrific BRM in Geneva [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12].

For OOXML abuse stories from Germany and Canada, start at the index. It's clear that Microsoft still strives to control ODF.

Here is the document containing this new information [PDF]. The accompanying page is laid out below as HTML, but much the formatting is lost.






ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34
Document Description and Processing Languages
Secretariat: Japan (JISC)

DOC. TYPE Summary of Voting/Table of Replies
TITLE Summary of Voting on SC 34 N 1035: Proposal for New Work Item on Open Document Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500) Translation
SOURCE SC 34 Secretariat
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STATUS This document will reviewed at the SC 34 plenary meeting to be held in Jeju, Republic of Korea, 2008-10-01.
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Secretariat ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 - IPSJ/ITSCJ (Information Processing Society of Japan/Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan)* Room 308-3, Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg., 3-5-8, Shiba-Koen, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-0011 Japan *Standard Organization Accredited by JISC


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Result of voting Ballot Information: Ballot reference: Ballot type: Ballot title: Opening date: Closing date: Note: JTC1/SC34N1035 NWIP Proposal for New Work Item on OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500) Translation 2008-04-29 2008-07-29

Member responses: Votes cast (28) Comments submitted (3) Votes not cast (11) Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) Chile (INN) China (SAC) Colombia (ICONTEC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) India (BIS) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) Greece (ELOT) Mexico (DGN) Spain (AENOR) Côte-d'Ivoire (CODINORM)

Cyprus (CYS) Egypt (EOS) Lebanon (LIBNOR) Luxembourg (ILNAS) Pakistan (PSQCA) South Africa (SABS) Sri Lanka (SLSI) Thailand (TISI) Trinidad and Tobago (TTBS) Venezuela (FONDONORMA)

Questions: Q.1 "Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal document as a sufficient definition of the new work item?" Q.2 "Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work of the joint technical committee?" Q.3 "Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work item?" Q.4 "Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts to the advancement and maintenance of this project?" Q.5 "Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for submittal?" Q.6 "Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?"

Answers to Q.1: "Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal document as a sufficient definition of the new work item?" 18 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)

Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Switzerland (SNV) 3 x No Brazil (ABNT) New Zealand (SNZ) United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.2: "Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work of the joint technical committee?" 19 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) USA (ANSI) 8 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) Malta (MSA) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) 1 x No Brazil (ABNT)

Answers to Q.3: "Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work item?" 13 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) China (SAC) Denmark (DS) Italy (UNI) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN)

Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) 8 x Yes Canada (SCC) Czech Republic (CNI) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Germany (DIN) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) New Zealand (SNZ) United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.4: "Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts to the advancement and maintenance of this project?" 19 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) 6 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) New Zealand (SNZ) 3 x Yes Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.5: "Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for submittal?" 22 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Canada (SCC) China (SAC) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) France (AFNOR) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI) USA (ANSI) 5 x Abstain Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) 1 x Yes Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.6: "Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?" 19 x No Brazil (ABNT) Bulgaria (BDS) Czech Republic (CNI) Denmark (DS) Finland (SFS) Italy (UNI) Japan (JISC) Kenya (KEBS) Korea, Republic of (KATS) Malta (MSA) Netherlands (NEN) New Zealand (SNZ) Norway (SN) Poland (PKN) Romania (ASRO) Sweden (SIS) Switzerland (SNV) United Kingdom (BSI)

USA (ANSI) 7 x Abstain Canada (SCC) Chile (INN) Colombia (ICONTEC) France (AFNOR) India (BIS) Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST) Malaysia (DSM) 2 x Yes China (SAC) Germany (DIN)

Comments from Voters Member: Comment: Date: Brazil (ABNT) Comment 2008-07-29 14:52:46 The local committee considers that, since ISO/IEC 29500 has not been published yet and it is still on the appeals phase, this is not the adequate time to approve the creation of this working group. If the official version of ISO/IEC 29500 becomes widely avaiable by ISO, this committee will again deliberate if it considers this working group worth of creation. Canada (SCC) Comment 2008-07-14 16:18:57 John Weigelt -johnwei@microsoft.com China (SAC) Comment 2008-07-16 05:18:20 Fang Chunyan Germany (DIN) Comment 2008-07-28 07:31:28 Mario Wendt New Zealand (SNZ) Comment 2008-07-25 06:04:09 ODF will be progressing to v1.2 soon and OOXML will presumably be updated to another version by the time work on this project starts. There is little point in translating between ODF 1.0 and OOXML 1.0. New Zealand expects that the project team would work on the latest versions available. Provided as mentioned above, that the work is based on the latest versions of the docs available nd not restrict the develpment work to Version 1.0 only. New Zealand would like to see plans for ongoing work and continuing alignment with the developing ODF standard Switzerland (SNV) Comment File 2008-07-28 14:02:48 CommentFiles/Switzerland(SNV).doc

United Kingdom (BSI) Comment 2008-07-16 17:26:13 While in principle we support the general goals of such a project, in the absence of a final text for DIS 29500 it is impossible to determine what the precise scope or programme of work, and especially the timescale, should be. The draft supplied with the Proposal has many gaps and only serves to highlight the problem of not having a final text to work with. An accelerated timescale for producing such a Technical Report would seem unrealistic given the uncertainty as to if and when a final text will be made available. USA (ANSI) Comment 2008-07-28 21:02:11 TR should be based on both ISO/IEC standards when they become available.

Comments from Commenters Member: Comment: Date: Greece (ELOT) Comment 2008-07-29 15:41:05 ELOT answers to Q 1-6 Answer to Q1: Yes Answer to Q2: Yes Answer to Q3: No Answer to Q4: No Answer to Q5: No Answer to Q6: No Mexico (DGN) Comment File 2008-07-24 16:48:29 CommentFiles/Mexico(DGN).doc Spain (AENOR) Comment 2008-07-29 10:42:35 Spain abstain on the mentioned document.

Template for comments and secretariat observations

Date: 2008-07-28 Document: 34N1035 NWI 1 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) (7) MB Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) Type of comment 2 Comment (justification for change) by the MB Proposed change by the MB Secretariat observations on each comment submitted

CH 1 3rd paragraph “graphical fidelity” te It is easily overlooked that the preservation of page breaks, page numbers and line breaks is often of much greater importance than other aspects of graphical fidelity, because page numbers and line numbers are often used in referencing a particular point in a document, and the ease and reliability of communication about such references is greatly reduced if page breaks, page numbers or line breaks can change during document translation. Explain at the end of the paragraph that the preservation of page breaks, page numbers and line breaks is often of particular importance, in order to preserve the accuracy and validity of refernces to points in the document from outside the document. CH 2.3.4 te It should be explained that the lastRenderedPageBreak element of OOXML is not only useful for assistive technologies (as often falsely claimed), but that it can also be used to provide a useful tool for the preservation of page-break information across document format conversions. (Does ODF have an equivalent feature?) Provide the info.

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