| twitter | the logic will not break, worse than useless is a trap | Sep 20 01:11 |
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| twitter | Slashdot uses perl. There's lots of java in the world. Is there anything big and useful running .NET? | Sep 20 01:16 |
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| twitter | Why would anyone want to learn .net when there are lots of good free alternatives? | Sep 20 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | The crackdown continues: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/fina... | Sep 20 08:19 |
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| AVRS2 | Has no one asked the U.S. presidential candidates about KDE2 and FreeBSD yet? | Sep 20 08:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.billparish.com/msbargraph699.gif | Sep 20 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: why KDE2? | Sep 20 08:26 |
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| AVRS2 | schestowitz: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w... | Sep 20 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... "world+dog" comes to mind. :-) | Sep 20 08:29 |
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| AVRS2 | hmm… ? is it something inexistent? | Sep 20 08:32 |
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| AVRS2 | It looks like The Register mentions it in titles, but not what it is :-) | Sep 20 08:32 |
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| AVRS2 | *but doesn't say what it is | Sep 20 08:33 |
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| AVRS2 | ah | Sep 20 08:33 |
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| AVRS2 | :-) | Sep 20 08:33 |
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| AVRS2 | (my problem was that I've found "World+dog scrambles to fight Windows flaw" first) | Sep 20 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that too. It always amuses me because I read The Reg. | Sep 20 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, I know it OT, but Bruce Perens' site has these: http://technocrat.net/d/2008/9/19/49728 , http://technocrat.net/d/2008/9/19/49727 | Sep 20 08:34 |
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| AVRS2 | And I forgot that Medvedev only talked about FidoNet, and not the KDE question. | Sep 20 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | You know the person? | Sep 20 08:37 |
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| AVRS2 | Dmitry Medvedev, the president of Russia; a FidoNet question has been asked under a fake name at one of those Internet interviews. | Sep 20 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, I've really lost track of Russian politics | Sep 20 08:38 |
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| AVRS2 | He wasn't president at that time yet, though. | Sep 20 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if Russia will rise when the west continues a demise.Far east Asia seems promising. | Sep 20 08:42 |
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| AVRS2 | (OT) “Zunächst waren Mailinglisten und das Fidonet, die russische Variante der global”… | Sep 20 08:44 |
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| AVRS2 | fortunately, the original PDF shows that it is at least not called the Russian variant of Internet, but newsgroups. | Sep 20 08:45 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Happy Software Freedom Day! I hope you're all marking the day and spreading the word -- if you haven't yet considered marking SFD, check out http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/map.shtml to see if there is a local event you can attend! Have a great day! | Sep 20 09:13 |
| AVRS2 | Does Jabber, Inc. have anything to do with Jabber, except for using it and sponsoring XMPP Software Foundation? | Sep 20 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | This one is funny: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/... "The prosecution in Munshi’s trial accused the boy of browsing websites which promoted Jihad – although Fox news is perfectly acceptable browsing– and downloading ‘how to’ guides for making detonators and explosives." | Sep 20 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* @ "although Fox news is perfectly acceptable browsing" | Sep 20 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/n... ""Novell is the preferred Linux vendor for Microsoft customers," he added." | Sep 20 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Happy Software Freedom day. | Sep 20 12:32 |
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| Tallken | LOL thanks :D | Sep 20 12:39 |
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| Tallken | to you too :) | Sep 20 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Over 500 teams are organising events, so this must be catching on this year. | Sep 20 12:40 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: I've been unable to follow BN closely, so I'm sorry if I drop duplicates | Sep 20 12:48 |
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| Tallken | http://dustinkirkland.wordpress.com/200... | Sep 20 12:48 |
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| Tallken | < What’s behind GregKH’s (latest) Rant? > | Sep 20 12:49 |
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| Tallken | normalizing Greg's numbers | Sep 20 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I see it earlier. There's also something about it in the LF site. | Sep 20 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. It must be rainy in Seattle today. They still wait for DRM Day 2008. Anyway, let me find the post. | Sep 20 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/aman... (I left a comment, but it hasn't showed up yet) | Sep 20 12:51 |
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| _Doug_ | mibbit.com isn't working .. | Sep 20 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Is it mibbit's issue? Or channel/site-specific? | Sep 20 14:15 |
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| _Doug_ | seems to be mibbit .. just waiting ... | Sep 20 14:16 |
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| _Doug_ | "connecting to chat server" | Sep 20 14:17 |
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| -_Doug_-DCC Chat (193.122.47.146) | Sep 20 14:17 |
| *Received a DCC CHAT offer from _Doug_ | Sep 20 14:17 |
| _Doug_ | PM .. | Sep 20 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Some 'spies' come from there sometimes. By spies I mean people with malicious intent who just want to sniff around. :-) | Sep 20 14:20 |
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| _Doug_ | did you get that video ? | Sep 20 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't, no. It's too short. | Sep 20 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | That said, you've explained to me what was there as far as Novell goes. Novell is just doing Microsoft dishes while Microsoft sleeps with the next-door neighbour. | Sep 20 14:24 |
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| _Doug_ | Yea .. :) | Sep 20 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a cartoon-ish | Sep 20 14:34 |
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| _Doug_ | yo AVSR2 ? | Sep 20 14:51 |
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| AVRS2 | _Doug_: why DCC chat? | Sep 20 14:51 |
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| _Doug_ | er I want to ask you something ? | Sep 20 14:52 |
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| AVRS2 | _Doug_: you can use /msg | Sep 20 14:53 |
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| _Doug_ | leme see .. | Sep 20 14:53 |
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| _Doug_ | ? | Sep 20 14:54 |
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| _Doug_ | So, that's why no-one would respond - DOH !!! | Sep 20 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you sent me these too. | Sep 20 15:06 |
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| _Doug_ | ahh .. well sorry .. I don't nornally use this crapware .. | Sep 20 15:07 |
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| _Doug_ | Wouldn't it be great if they innovated a DeskTop that had all the functionality built in, so as you didn't need a different app to do things. | Sep 20 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | emacs? | Sep 20 15:21 |
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| MinceR | lol | Sep 20 15:22 |
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| _Doug_ | Yea .. how did you guess type an expression in the body of the document and it's evaluated .. | Sep 20 15:22 |
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| MinceR | emacs needs a better text editor | Sep 20 15:22 |
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| _Doug_ | Haaa .. | Sep 20 15:23 |
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| MinceR | perhaps viper without all the patronizing about learning emacs | Sep 20 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | [rant] IDG are spreading this Palamida 'advert' FOSS FUD) all over the place (they have many sites): http://www.pcworld.com/article/151196... | Sep 20 15:25 |
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| _Doug_ | Hi, I'm a PC advert that was made on an Apple computer .. :) | Sep 20 15:46 |
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| neighborlee | Are you my neighbor in disguise as a guy ? | Sep 20 15:49 |
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| neighborlee | She just got her new apple laptop, and she's been ON it all the time..hmmm suspicious o_0 | Sep 20 15:49 |
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| _Doug_ | "VMware has fixed critical security bugs in two of its virtualization products that could allow a remote attacker to remotely install malware on a host machine." | Sep 20 16:53 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/... | Sep 20 16:53 |
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| _Doug_ | What's VMware for again, apart from using less electricity ? | Sep 20 16:53 |
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| neighborlee | virtual hosting | Sep 20 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: you sound like Microsoft in 2003. | Sep 20 16:55 |
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| _Doug_ | Was that before they bought one ? | Sep 20 16:56 |
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| _Doug_ | If I have bigiron then it is usefull , yea ? | Sep 20 16:56 |
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| _Doug_ | Convert my mainframe into 50 Linux virtual boxes ? | Sep 20 16:56 |
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| _Doug_ | Let the client departments deal with the user 'issues', how do I open an attachment etc ... | Sep 20 16:57 |
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| _Doug_ | serious question: convince me to buy your VM solution .. go on .. anyone .. | Sep 20 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: I think they bought one in 2005 or 2006 | Sep 20 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | They bought more than one piece, IIRC. Novell too is doing it and Microsoft uses Citrix | Sep 20 16:59 |
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| _Doug_ | You still need 'virtual' licenses, so what are the benefits? reduced admin ? less electricity :) what ? | Sep 20 17:01 |
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| _Doug_ | Red Hat acquires Qumranet's virtualization solutions .. | Sep 20 17:03 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/ | Sep 20 17:03 |
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| _Doug_ | time for a break, but while I'm gone can anyone tell why a CIO would want to buy a VM solution, go on, convince me .. | Sep 20 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's compartmentalisation. useful stuff. | Sep 20 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Ask Novell why they want to run all GU/Linux servers under WS08, which is worse than WS03,says Didiot. | Sep 20 17:06 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIk4qTKmKz... | Sep 20 17:36 |
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| _Doug_ | Zune Balmer | Sep 20 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | He's still crazy. | Sep 20 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/techtra... "At Microsoft’s company meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was in full cheerleader mode, running around the stage, high-fiving Microsoft employees at Safeco Field, breathing hard and yelling into the microphone, said one observer, who asked to remain anonymous while describing an event that was closed to the public." | Sep 20 17:37 |
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| _Doug_ | Naw .. just middle age creeping on .. | Sep 20 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | I think he's afraid of cancer.......... you know, like Linux. | Sep 20 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Had Free software not existed, Microsoft could charge ~250 million Chinese people for Windows rather than give it for 'free' | Sep 20 17:38 |
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| _Doug_ | "if you build the phone operating system -- as Microsoft does with Windows Mobile -- there's a much larger potential market to capture" | Sep 20 17:40 |
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| _Doug_ | Only if they're dumb enough to let you do it .. again :) | Sep 20 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon he might be in jail some day, but seeing how the system pardons rich people, I'm not sure. I reckon there's lots of fraud with that new CFO. | Sep 20 17:41 |
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| _Doug_ | notice the emphasis: capture the market, so the phone sellers only function wil lbe to sell the phone OS .. | Sep 20 17:41 |
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| _Doug_ | I couldn't possible comment .. | Sep 20 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft needs to sell hardware. | Sep 20 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | It tried with Zune and XBox and failed. In fact, if Zune was an IP conquest for MS-Phone, then it's already in the dust. | Sep 20 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Toshiba is bad. | Sep 20 17:42 |
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| _Doug_ | 'Innovation' only works if your the only player in the market :) | Sep 20 17:43 |
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| _Doug_ | ot: http://news.yahoo.com/comics/dilbert | Sep 20 17:43 |
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| _Doug_ | ot: welcome to the desert of the real .. | Sep 20 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | They have the Palm puppet on their side now, but they hardly sell. Microsoft loses billions in Mobile, IIRC. | Sep 20 17:43 |
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| _Doug_ | Mobile: you make your money back on the call charges and services .. | Sep 20 17:44 |
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| _Doug_ | Only if you own the telecom networks .. | Sep 20 17:44 |
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| _Doug_ | same with IPTV, only if you own the content and the tubes .. | Sep 20 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | AT&Apple | Sep 20 17:45 |
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| _Doug_ | see the iPlayer and the ISPs complaining about it hogging the bandwidth. | Sep 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | TiVo razor. | Sep 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sure they can spread the cost(=burden. We all pay for that Windows-only junk. | Sep 20 17:46 |
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| _Doug_ | A content owner + an interTubes owner + a platform owner .. licence to print money !!! | Sep 20 17:46 |
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| _Doug_ | It may be a case of the tail wagging the dog, at least in one case :) | Sep 20 17:47 |
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| _Doug_ | The ISPs currently bear the burdon | Sep 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | So they elevate the prices. | Sep 20 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Same with blank CDs and the MAFIAA. | Sep 20 17:48 |
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| _Doug_ | I mean for al these new Web 111 services, it's goign to take major investment, who is goign to pay ? | Sep 20 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, on topic again. | Sep 20 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | How much do you know about Myhrvold? | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| _Doug_ | €£6:00 for a €£00.05 piece of plastic .. a very good deal .. | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | I notices that one of his pests has just created a new company | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | This is important and I wonder if PJ, who not only posts once a day, is even aware of this. | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | *now only | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| _Doug_ | Myhrvold: former Microsoftie, IV ventures, patent troll .. but a very nice man .. :) | Sep 20 17:49 |
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| _Doug_ | I sure someone will mention it .. | Sep 20 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | That's pretense, like Gates. | Sep 20 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Balmer is a psycho case, like Ellison. | Sep 20 17:50 |
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| _Doug_ | irony chip malfunction .. :) | Sep 20 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: I'm writing about it later, but it came as a surprise to me when I spotted this in the press release. | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| _Doug_ | I prefer not to get personal .. stick to the issues ... | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | There\s also Acacia to keep track of. Many former trolls/Softies end up in this new 'profitable' 'business'. Unlike SCO, they actually receive protection money/ | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| _Doug_ | what's the name of the new company ? | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| MinceR | they're all sociopaths if they went through with all that | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check quickly. RBX or something. | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| _Doug_ | Is Your Boss a Psychopath? | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.fastcompany.com/maga... | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.j... | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | RPX | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| _Doug_ | It has been said that sociopaths make good CEOs :0 I do know mine was ;] | Sep 20 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iam-magazine.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g... "... says RPX co-founder and former Intellectual Ventures hotshot John Amster in the release." | Sep 20 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bateman | Sep 20 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | I read the book at the time, which is rare. I didn't like the film. | Sep 20 17:54 |
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| _Doug_ | When is anyone going to realize that these IP firms are not there to 'protect' you but the exact opposite .. | Sep 20 17:54 |
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| _Doug_ | "The startup is one of a growing number of companies sprouting up to address the problem of trolls" | Sep 20 17:55 |
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| _Doug_ | The startups are the trolls - fucking doh ... | Sep 20 17:55 |
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| _Doug_ | "John Amster, one of two former Intellectual Ventures executives that formed RPX" | Sep 20 17:56 |
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| _Doug_ | You do realize that all this IP is worthless as the rest of the world will ignore it, it will drain the US economy, it will deny entry to the market for foreign companies who in turn wil ldeny US companies entey to their markets. | Sep 20 17:57 |
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| _Doug_ | Like the Chinese going for their own Mobile standard .. | Sep 20 17:58 |
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| _Doug_ | who couldn't sell DVD players in the US a while back ? | Sep 20 17:58 |
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| _Doug_ | This kind if bullshit is going to create wealth ? | Sep 20 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 20 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | I was gonna say something about 'protection' as extortion | Sep 20 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | They try to perfume what they do. | Sep 20 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: they already ruin the economy | Sep 20 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | A professor wrote to me accusing Myhrvold of ruining the US economy and his country without even caring about it. Mind you, him and Gates are close. They are selfish users. | Sep 20 18:01 |
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| _Doug_ | The real companies have nade a devils bargain here. | Sep 20 18:03 |
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| _Doug_ | What they don't seen to realise that the 'protection' on offer is only against other patent trolls, it's not going to improve your market share. | Sep 20 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Worry not. Implosion is near. | Sep 20 18:05 |
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| _Doug_ | "Google, Hewlett-Packard, Cisco, Verizon and Ericsson are among the companies rumored to be behind the formation of the Allied Security Trust" | Sep 20 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | I look forward to the day trolls and USPTO sellout become beggars (not in the literal sense) and revolutionise the system. With such a considerable debt, it could take forever to recover though. It's like living on drug. The budget ran out now. The debt is too much and you lose the house. | Sep 20 18:06 |
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| _Doug_ | So I guess it's an anti-patent-troll TROLl outfit :) | Sep 20 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Patent pool/umbrella. | Sep 20 18:07 |
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| _Doug_ | And at the same time they want to export the USPTO to Europe ??? | Sep 20 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | You need a monopoly to join the club. | Sep 20 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, McCreevy has already let them export copyright extensions. | Sep 20 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | EPO took it to the streets rcently. | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| _Doug_ | Oh .. wait .. this is good ... | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| _Doug_ | "The large company’s second move is to try to buy the small company on the cheap. While the two firms negotiate, the large company will attempt to learn the small one’s secrets, and improve its clone." | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | They want other systems to be "equally F* up" | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| _Doug_ | Haaa .. reminds us of anyone ? | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | "I lost my leg, now I'll take off yours" attitude | Sep 20 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | Not Yahoo! | Sep 20 18:09 |
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| _Doug_ | First I buy a patent on logs, then form an IP company, then go after everyone else for a LAL, leg access license ... | Sep 20 18:11 |
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| *AVRS2 tried to find something on small telescopes (or monoculars, or whatever they are called) really quickly, and found something useless: an online shop selling gift ones… by Innovation Technologies, LLC | Sep 20 18:15 |
| AVRS2 | At least they (claim to) sell something. | Sep 20 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Unlike SCO, almost | Sep 20 18:17 |
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| AVRS2 | (note: the company is called ÞÞÞ €«ÃËýýþòðÃâ øþýýÃâ¹Ãµ ÃâõÃâ¦Ã½Ã¾Ã»Ã¾Ã³Ã¸Ã¸€»; I've just translated the name into English. | Sep 20 18:18 |
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| AVRS2 | ) | Sep 20 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Which company? | Sep 20 18:24 |
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| AVRS2 | The one which owns the online shop. | Sep 20 18:27 |
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| AVRS2 | Were you commenting on my /me msg, or on something above? | Sep 20 18:27 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.p-truba.ru/ is in Russian. | Sep 20 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I didn't notice that one *blush* | Sep 20 18:29 |
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| AVRS2 | It says the company's business field is sales and manufacturing of various innovational technical goods. (sorry, I can't translate that properly) | Sep 20 18:30 |
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| _Doug_ | Dirac 1.0.0 Released .. | Sep 20 18:34 |
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| _Doug_ | http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/0... | Sep 20 18:34 |
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| AVRS2 | Another company is owned by a very proud woman: it is called by her name, has a crown in its symbol, and a scan of patent on its website (the URL was .org, now it's been changed; the old URL is n… | Sep 20 18:34 |
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| AVRS2 | Are there any Dirac encoders in Debian? | Sep 20 18:38 |
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| AVRS2 | i.e. usable | Sep 20 18:39 |
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| AVRS2 | oh, oggconvert | Sep 20 18:40 |
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| _Doug_ | dunno, I do know it will pay that WMA file I just downloaded .. | Sep 20 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: not that I know of. | Sep 20 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | The BBC ought to have used its codecs (or something like ogg or whatever Sun says it has in its pipeline). | Sep 20 18:45 |
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| AVRS2 | oggconvert claims to support it; but oggconvert is GUI-only | Sep 20 18:45 |
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| _Doug_ | Turn your PC into a Mac with a dongle .. | Sep 20 18:50 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39357/135/ | Sep 20 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | :-S TGDail accept input from Enderle | Sep 20 18:53 |
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| _Doug_ | Shoosh .. don't mention .... | Sep 20 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Why not? | Sep 20 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Are you afraid that they'll sent one of the moles to your house? | Sep 20 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 20 18:55 |
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| _Doug_ | HAs nothign of interest to say ... | Sep 20 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | You..? | Sep 20 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Or the mouth? | Sep 20 18:56 |
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| _Doug_ | Enderle~1 | Sep 20 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Gimme 5 minutes and I'll write about MOG. | Sep 20 18:59 |
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| _Doug_ | no way ... | Sep 20 19:00 |
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| _Doug_ | Getting to grips with Linux .. | Sep 20 19:01 |
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| _Doug_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm | Sep 20 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: slammed to hell (the article) | Sep 20 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Sep 20 19:02 |
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| AVRS2 | hm… is AVI container free? | Sep 20 19:02 |
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| _Doug_ | Well .. | Sep 20 19:02 |
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| AVRS2 | There are MJPEG .avi files in Debian. | Sep 20 19:02 |
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| AVRS2 | no, the one in kphotoalbum is MJPEG; the one in Xine is MPEG-something | Sep 20 19:03 |
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| AVRS2 | v1 | Sep 20 19:03 |
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| _Doug_ | "The music management program .. wouldn't sync anything I loaded on to my iPod" | Sep 20 19:04 |
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| _Doug_ | Feeture fud ... | Sep 20 19:04 |
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| _Doug_ | This is from 2006 .. guess he didn't do a lot of research .. | Sep 20 19:06 |
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| _Doug_ | http://spinink.net/2006/02/17/amarok-14... | Sep 20 19:06 |
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| _Doug_ | "new iPod Classic, Touch, and Nano includes a new security measure that prevents users from synchronizing their portable media players with anything other than Apple's iTunes software" | Sep 20 19:08 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/09/17/you... | Sep 20 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Here is the one which mentions MOG (posted seconds ago): | Sep 20 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/ro... | Sep 20 19:09 |
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| _Doug_ | "Gary Parkinson Editor, Wake Up To Money" | Sep 20 19:10 |
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| _Doug_ | they got their bean counter to test it .. ? and not Bill Thompson ? | Sep 20 19:11 |
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| twitter | Have you changed the anti-spam check on Boycott Novell? | Sep 20 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: which one? | Sep 20 19:12 |
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| twitter | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09... I thought 13 + 5 was 18 but I'm getting an error | Sep 20 19:12 |
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| *DCC CHAT to _Doug_ aborted. | Sep 20 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Sep 20 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Did you try refreshing? | Sep 20 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't changed a thing. | Sep 20 19:14 |
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| twitter | not yet | Sep 20 19:14 |
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| _Doug_ | did you try octal ? | Sep 20 19:14 |
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| AVRS2 | Looks like I can create dirac files, but have nothing installed to play them. | Sep 20 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing on sf.net? | Sep 20 19:14 |
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| twitter | That got it. | Sep 20 19:15 |
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| AVRS2 | I mean from Debian: xine, mplayer, vlc. | Sep 20 19:15 |
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| AVRS2 | They don't play the file. None of the video players installed depends on gstreamer either. Those that do are gnash, ultrastar-ng and similar stuff. | Sep 20 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: did it ever happen before? | Sep 20 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | No-one has ever reported such an error. | Sep 20 19:17 |
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| _Doug_ | Luxul Wireless patent digital AGC .. | Sep 20 19:17 |
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| _Doug_ | http://press-releases.techwhac... | Sep 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Is it soft? | Sep 20 19:17 |
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| _Doug_ | It's a bloody hack is all .. cleaning up a noisy signal .. kids stuff .. | Sep 20 19:18 |
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| _Doug_ | "Power Over Ethernet (POE) capability" | Sep 20 19:18 |
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| _Doug_ | put a coil in the power circuit and you can pump data through it .. | Sep 20 19:19 |
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| _Doug_ | OLD OLS technology .. | Sep 20 19:19 |
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| _Doug_ | OLD OLD .. | Sep 20 19:19 |
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| twitter | never happened before, reloading fixed it. I may have typed it wrong the first time. no big deal. | Sep 20 19:19 |
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| twitter | :) | Sep 20 19:19 |
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| _Doug_ | Qualcomm vindicated .. | Sep 20 19:20 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.cellular-news.com/story/33737.php | Sep 20 19:20 |
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| AVRS2 | According to Dirac's news, VLC has released a version with Dirac support 3 days ago. | Sep 20 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | I got Dan angry. | Sep 20 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | I asked him who he works for. | Sep 20 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | He says "they" want to hie Jeff Stedman/Steadman (Mono booster) | Sep 20 19:22 |
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| _Doug_ | Wells Fargo patent anonymous charitable donations over ATMs .. | Sep 20 19:23 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar... | Sep 20 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | WTF??/ | Sep 20 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-... | Sep 20 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | "(I thought we were talking about Mr. Steadfast who obviously works for Novell currently)." | Sep 20 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | It all makes sense now. The Mono boosting, the rebuttals to Boycott Novell and what neighborlee believes to be the guy who is marketing Mono in Ubuntu Forum (we don't know for sure yet) | Sep 20 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | *ping* neighborlee | Sep 20 19:24 |
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| neighborlee | ... | Sep 20 19:28 |
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| neighborlee | ah yes | Sep 20 19:28 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09... | Sep 20 19:29 |
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| AVRS2 | (is that relevant? is that FUD? was it worth writing that article for anyone?) | Sep 20 19:30 |
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| AVRS2 | “When you drill down and look at Linux...you realize it’s just a kernel.” | Sep 20 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: did you know? | Sep 20 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS2: you don't have to drill down to find that out. It has always been just a kernel. | Sep 20 19:35 |
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| _Doug_ | re: <@schestowitz> Is it soft?: the question is, can you patent a mathematical formula, for that is what most of these patents actually do. | Sep 20 19:35 |
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| _Doug_ | Power Over Ethernet: a coil and a capacitor (a tuned circuit) a mixed signal applied to this, and the power goes through the coil and the signal goes through the capacitor. This 'invention' has been known about for decades. So how can it be claimed as now in 2008 ? | Sep 20 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | :-) Symbian is afraid of Linux. That's nothing news. There were patterns of FUD from them for 1-2 years. | Sep 20 19:35 |
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| _Doug_ | So someones patented the tuned circuit - all tuned circuits .. !!! | Sep 20 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug_: in the US you can. You just need to disguise it with words like "apparatus" | Sep 20 19:36 |
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| AVRS2 | schestowitz: I don't think those who prefer to not know will notice that in that article | Sep 20 19:36 |
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| AVRS2 | (re: the phrase I cited) | Sep 20 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I typically type "GNU/Linux desktops" and "Linux phones". | Sep 20 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | When it comes to phones, a lot of the stack (e.g. from Motorola) is proprietary and obscure. Android is changing that (out this Tuesday) | Sep 20 19:38 |
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| MinceR | if only android supported native code | Sep 20 19:39 |
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| _Doug_ | Tumbleweed Communications sues Sendmail Inc for patent violation .. | Sep 20 19:42 |
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| _Doug_ | http://eastbay.bizjournals.com/eastba... | Sep 20 19:42 |
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| _Doug_ | "Tumbleweed .. alleged that .. Sendmail .. infringe several of Tumbleweed's patents covering the management of e-mail traffic at an enterprise’s gateway" | Sep 20 19:42 |
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| _Doug_ | Tumbleweed patented a regx filter ? | Sep 20 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Tumbleweed should be counter-sued for trolling. | Sep 20 19:45 |
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| _Doug_ | email filtering at the gateway .. GOOD GRIEF .. | Sep 20 19:47 |
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| _Doug_ | "the management of e-mail traffic at an enterprise’s gateway" | Sep 20 19:47 |
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| _Doug_ | The US patent system is a joke .. | Sep 20 19:48 |
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| AVRS2 | Gah, an IP user has removed a piece of OOXML article in ruwiki with a comment "non-free license is not a drawback" | Sep 20 19:49 |
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| AVRS2 | But probably the piece is badly-worded… will fix | Sep 20 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | "IP user"? | Sep 20 19:50 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: have you considered adding something like this to BN? The Groklaw link gotta be beautiful to read. Site: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=h... | Sep 20 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | As in unregistered? | Sep 20 19:50 |
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| AVRS2 | yes | Sep 20 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this before. | Sep 20 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Did GL put it in News Picks? | Sep 20 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | I have't checked yet. | Sep 20 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | I think that Sebara knows this quote because I posted it somewhere. | Sep 20 19:51 |
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| Tallken | Yes but the summarizing in a single short page all there is to know about Astroturfers, with an irreprehensible source, is priceless. | Sep 20 19:52 |
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| Tallken | instead of adding that text comment just calling someone an astroturfer | Sep 20 19:53 |
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| Tallken | do as in (wait a min, searching link) | Sep 20 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, there's more than that in the document. It's a smoking gun. I put it in: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... | Sep 20 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: I thought about doing the same thing as Rui | Sep 20 19:53 |
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| Tallken | http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2008/03/... | Sep 20 19:54 |
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| Tallken | Search for: "Sou um astroturfer" | Sep 20 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | At one point, due to the trolls we get, I thought about adding an image next to their comments, but decided not to (he advised me to, actually). It makes the site seem less professional. | Sep 20 19:54 |
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| Tallken | LOL ok, you're right | Sep 20 19:54 |
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| Tallken | but at least link to a similar page explaining in few words what is an astroturfer | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | the part that says (spam coming): | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Channel of Information, On-line Forums | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Monitor the relevant Usenet groups at all times | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Write well | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Be exceedingly formal and polite | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > It is very easy to give offense | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Always assume that you are wrong; ask others to explain it to you | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Developers are impressed by clear, precise, polite communication | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | > Don’t sound like a prig | Sep 20 19:55 |
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| Tallken | is extremely important, as a troll is usually dismissed by everyone | Sep 20 19:56 |
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| Tallken | as usually their spelling sucks | Sep 20 19:56 |
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| Tallken | however people need to know how an Astroturfer works and that he is not your average troll | Sep 20 19:56 |
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| twitter | Sharing information is not professional? | Sep 20 20:02 |
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| twitter | If you know a troll IP, you should mark troll comments as such with a link to a page explaining the mark. | Sep 20 20:02 |
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| _Doug_ | "Some customers have told us they want to be able to run Windows Server and Linux together seamlessly, but in many cases, they need help with the transition to (Novell`s) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server from other Linux environments," | Sep 20 20:05 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?205887 | Sep 20 20:05 |
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| _Doug_ | You read it here first .. | Sep 20 20:06 |
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| _Doug_ | "Is Microsoft buying Citrix? Novell" | Sep 20 20:06 |
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| _Doug_ | http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_microsof... | Sep 20 20:06 |
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| twitter | Windows will never run seamlessly with anything including itself. | Sep 20 20:06 |
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| twitter | "Interoperability" has always been a bad joke. | Sep 20 20:07 |
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| _Doug_ | Haaa .. not one mention of the LSE meltdown in the media .. | Sep 20 20:07 |
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| _Doug_ | It takes great skill to make Windows not work with SAMBA with each new iteration .. | Sep 20 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: they swap IPs and zombies. | Sep 20 20:09 |
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| MinceR | they're obviously working hard at that | Sep 20 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | I got an E-mail regarding Munchkins this afternoon. It's private, but it's generally about people who spend a lot of time writing well to do the trolling. | Sep 20 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | The one who was mentioned in the mail also stalks me in IRC, my sites, he mod me down systematically in Digg and harasses me in USENET. He goes by the name harlowmonkeys, AKA "Tim Smith" | Sep 20 20:10 |
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| _Doug_ | ot: Hadron Collider failed as predicted .. | Sep 20 20:10 |
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| _Doug_ | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=v... | Sep 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | People tend to think that Microsoft picks idiots from the streets to troll, but that's ineffective. It actually hires people who know their stuff. Their shills must therefore be very well paid and Microsoft is definitely still doing it. Right now Google is blasting Microsoft for single-handedly attaching the Yahoo deal | Sep 20 20:12 |
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| _Doug_ | tell me something I don't know ... | Sep 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, it's a proven definite fact that Microsoft paid LawMedia (a shill agency that describes itself differently), when then hires Hispanic people and demands secrecy. Their job is to pollute the Web or pressure politicians to crack the Google/Yahoo thing and have Yahoo run back to Microsoft. | Sep 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Frankly, the US system is so f* up at the moment that I don't see such disgusting realities ending. In my eyes, given what I hear from European people, Microsoft's unethical behaviour is partly responsible for resentment against an entire nation. If Bush refuses to police them, which he does, then he does not favours to people who elected him. | Sep 20 20:14 |
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| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ne... -> beautiful | Sep 20 20:17 |
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| Tallken | _Doug_: LOL that page you gave had a Vista ad | Sep 20 20:22 |
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| *fefo_ is now known as PetoKraus | Sep 20 20:22 |
| PetoKraus | Hello... | Sep 20 20:22 |
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| PetoKraus | i am reading this article on Gobuntu at your page | Sep 20 20:22 |
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| PetoKraus | it reminds me of... my gentoo installation has failed (NEVER use jfs for mission-critical...), so i installed ubuntu on a flashdrive... and the first thing it does after it boots up is, that it asks me to install proprietary ATI driver | Sep 20 20:24 |
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| PetoKraus | how free is THAT/ | Sep 20 20:24 |
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| _Doug_ | Tallken: I see no adverts :) | Sep 20 20:25 |
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| Tallken | LOL | Sep 20 20:25 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz,that bush is out of touch aint no news ;) | Sep 20 20:25 |
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| AVRS2 | PetoKraus: That's why Gobuntu was er… talked about | Sep 20 20:25 |
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| Tallken | PetoKraus: Ubuntu or Gobuntu? | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| AVRS2 | I don't know what state Gobuntu is in. | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| Tallken | PetoKraus: because Ubuntu is supposed to... | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| Tallken | (do that) | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| PetoKraus | well i don't know | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| PetoKraus | i just dont like the idea at all | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, thats weirdddddd | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| AVRS2 | Gobuntu is the "free" one. | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: why not a projector? | Sep 20 20:26 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus,oh wait nvm..you installed ubuntu..of course it asked you | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st... | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Unless you need many pixels (sitting close to the screen, it's expensive for little value (also electricity) | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: yes, i did, though... it's not nice | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i read on the cd about promoting of free software | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | and then it does this... | Sep 20 20:27 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, showoff maybe :P | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: Gobuntu is folded into Ubuntu Jono Bacon said so. | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, I feel similarly about them calling nvidia drivers restricted..poor choice of wording and gives a bad connoation to a otherwise good driver..its not like they had to support us so I always felt it was a slam. | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: which nvidia drivers? | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| neighborlee | any of them | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| neighborlee | err the ones from their site | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| neighborlee | not nv | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: who to? Geek friends? | Sep 20 20:28 |
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| PetoKraus | aha, the proprietary ones. | Sep 20 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | My friends like my dual-head Compiz. | Sep 20 20:29 |
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| twitter | M$ is a small part of the IP Empire trouble makers. Other publishers are larger but cooperate. Bigger problems come from big pharmacy, food and agricultural companies. It would be interesting to read a history of IP insanity. | Sep 20 20:29 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, yup | Sep 20 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: and arms. | Sep 20 20:29 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yes, geek friends :P -- and Youtube | Sep 20 20:30 |
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| twitter | Oh yeah, defense companies - they are small but important trouble makers. With outsourcing, there's hardly anything left of them here. | Sep 20 20:30 |
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| AVRS2 | Maybe you can tell… is gNewSense free by all FSF definitions, or only by their free software distribution definition? | Sep 20 20:31 |
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| _Doug_ | It's 1929 al lover again YoGi . .al lwe need now to stimulate the economy is a war .. oh wait .. lets piss off the Russians ... | Sep 20 20:31 |
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| AVRS2 | Or, to word it differently, is non-functional stuff in gNewSense free? | Sep 20 20:31 |
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| neighborlee | AVRS2, if what I hear is true that they include mono..id have to say 'theirs' lol | Sep 20 20:31 |
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| Tallken | I think gNewSense is 100% free as in libre | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| AVRS2 | neighborlee: I don't mean that. | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| twitter | My debian distro passed virtual rms. | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I thought about it, but I have no video camera, just a webcam. | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| AVRS2 | I mean that FSF allows non-free artwork and game data files in a free OS. | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| neighborlee | oh | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: AFAIK it doesn't | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| AVRS2 | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-system... | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| AVRS2 | Tallken: what doesn't? | Sep 20 20:32 |
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| AVRS2 | or who | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: AFAIK it doesn't allow non free stuff | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: can you see the RMS halo around your PC? | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| AVRS2 | twitter: virtual rms is a Debian program ;) | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| twitter | No video camera? Almost all cameras have movies these days. | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: AFAIK it doesn't allow non free data, artwork, pics, firmware, binary blobs, whatever | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| twitter | You can edit them together with kino. | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| AVRS2 | Mine doesn't pass, because I have tango-icon-theme installed. | Sep 20 20:33 |
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| _Doug_ | gtg .. | Sep 20 20:34 |
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| *_Doug_ has quit () | Sep 20 20:34 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I don't need a camera. Everyone can take many photos these days. | Sep 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Even me: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/... | Sep 20 20:34 |
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| AVRS2 | Tallken: ah, ok. Thanks (though a source would be useful… IIRC, an old gNewSense FAQ says it is completely free, but it is very old; a newer FAQ was different) | Sep 20 20:34 |
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| AVRS2 | (on vrms) Information: tango-icon-theme is under CC BY-SA 2.5, which is FSF-free, but not DFSG-free. | Sep 20 20:36 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: links to the FAQs | Sep 20 20:36 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: give me links to the FAQs, plz | Sep 20 20:36 |
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| AVRS2 | Tallken: http://wiki.gnewsense.org/Faq/Faq - the old one. Although it says "by FSF terminology", it lists artwork. | Sep 20 20:37 |
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| AVRS2 | Oops, it's a "non-programs" question, sorry. | Sep 20 20:38 |
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| AVRS2 | The new FAQ is completely different: http://www.gnewsense.org/index.php?n=FAQ.FAQ | Sep 20 20:38 |
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| AVRS2 | Is the old FAQ still relevant though not edited for 2 years? | Sep 20 20:39 |
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| AVRS2 | Hmm does it have backlinks? Wiki now links to http://wiki.gnewsense.org/Main/FAQ | Sep 20 20:40 |
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| neighborlee | AVRS2, as if I'd be doing anything where at some point I wont need 3d accelration o_0<no thanks> | Sep 20 20:42 |
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| AVRS2 | neighborlee: what are you doing that needs it (just curious, because I am using nouveau) | Sep 20 20:42 |
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| AVRS2 | ? | Sep 20 20:42 |
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| neighborlee | ahhh | Sep 20 20:42 |
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| neighborlee | well | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| neighborlee | AVRS2, blender as well as 3d gaming , and well game development as well | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| neighborlee | huge for me | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| AVRS2 | Yeah, IIRC Blender didn't look good for me. | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| neighborlee | well its the best oss app of its kind so its all we have really..it does alot ;) | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| AVRS2 | As for games, depended on settings. | Sep 20 20:43 |
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| neighborlee | yeah | Sep 20 20:44 |
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| AVRS2 | I mean it didn't look good with nouveau (or with NVIDIA, for that matter, when Debian testing contained a buggy Blender). | Sep 20 20:44 |
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| AVRS2 | it's been crashing back then (2005 or 2006) | Sep 20 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Free ATI driver does 3D now. | Sep 20 20:45 |
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| AVRS2 | …or 2007 | Sep 20 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | *cough* Novell | Sep 20 20:45 |
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| AVRS2 | schestowitz: do you mean off-topic or driver? | Sep 20 20:46 |
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| AVRS2 | *the driver | Sep 20 20:46 |
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| AVRS2 | Anyway, good night. | Sep 20 20:46 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well it .... | Sep 20 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, it does 3d | Sep 20 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | 1/3 performance | Sep 20 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | it's a good start, though\ | Sep 20 20:48 |
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| AVRS2 | "AMD partners with Novell to open source ATI graphic drivers" I see | Sep 20 20:48 |
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| neighborlee | oh the irony | Sep 20 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | well, xfree86-drivers-ati and xfree86-drivers-radeonhd are DEFINITELY one of the good things that came out | Sep 20 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | with novell involvement | Sep 20 20:49 |
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| Tallken | AVRS2: it seems this way: code: must 100% free; graphics non essential: can be non free but must be available to use for commercial purposes and redistribution | Sep 20 20:49 |
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| Tallken | anyone here has Hollywood channel? | Sep 20 20:49 |
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| Tallken | Harry & Sally on air now (in Portugal) | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, good night for you guys | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| Tallken | PetoKraus: Novell can't be all evil | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| AVRS2 | Tallken: I suspect that might be the reason for the non-free icons being left in IceCat. Or maybe they are considered irrelevant. | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| Tallken | even MS has an open source thingie in Google Chrome ROFL | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| Tallken | it's sweet :D | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| AVRS2 | Also, has IceCat been started because of nothing like logos? | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| Tallken | trmanco: tás? vêo Hollywood, Harry & Sally :P | Sep 20 20:50 |
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| Tallken | trmanco: tás? vêo Hollywood, Harry & Sally :P | Sep 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | hun? | Sep 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | Tallken, agora a minha net deu em ir abaixo :| | Sep 20 20:54 |
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| jose__ | i have no time to stay.. a patent troll article: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news/2008091902935PS | Sep 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, AVRS2 I meant Novell writes those drivers. | Sep 20 21:00 |
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| benJIman | So should we boycott them? | Sep 20 21:04 |
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| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: "Exploring the problems of the Novell/Microsoft patent deal" | Sep 20 21:08 |
| Tallken | ROFL | Sep 20 21:11 |
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| Tallken | of course benJIman :D | Sep 20 21:11 |
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| benJIman | The drivers? | Sep 20 21:12 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: i'm kidding :P | Sep 20 21:12 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: as long as they're open source, good software and as patent-free (or patented but with an unrestricted use, which is the best we can hope for now) I don't give a f*ck who writes them | Sep 20 21:15 |
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| Tallken | and I believe schestowitz has the same opinion? | Sep 20 21:15 |
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| benJIman | I doubt they're patent free. | Sep 20 21:16 |
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| Tallken | Yah my point his | Sep 20 21:18 |
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| Tallken | *is | Sep 20 21:18 |
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| Tallken | if you don't patent something someone else will | Sep 20 21:18 |
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| Tallken | so, if Novell has to patent it, as long as the patent allows unrestricted use, I'm more or less fine | Sep 20 21:18 |
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| Tallken | based on the rationale | Sep 20 21:18 |
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| Tallken | "if you don't patent something someone else will" | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| benJIman | Oh I don't think Novell have any patents there. | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| Tallken | it's to be expected such behaviour | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| benJIman | But there are lots of patents on 3d stuff that it will be infringing on. | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| Tallken | yah unfortunately | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| benJIman | One of the reasons nvidia cite for not opening their driver. | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| Tallken | bullocks | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| benJIman | Do you mean "bollocks"? | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| Tallken | probably, let me check :D | Sep 20 21:19 |
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| Tallken | yes | Sep 20 21:20 |
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| Tallken | have to enable spell check in Konversation | Sep 20 21:20 |
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| Tallken | if they don't want to open their driver, fine, they can do it, I'm fine with it | Sep 20 21:20 |
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| Tallken | it's the only reason I'm happy with my crappy Intel | Sep 20 21:21 |
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| Tallken | at least it's GPL | Sep 20 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: AMD won't asset them. | Sep 20 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | The important thing is that no /foes/ of Linux hold these patents. | Sep 20 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | No /sworn/ enemies of Linux. That's why it's not like Mono. | Sep 20 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | I could do a nice cartoon to show what OpenSUSE mean to Microsoft. | Sep 20 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Snow White comes to mind. :-) | Sep 20 21:28 |
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| Tallken | LOL? | Sep 20 21:30 |
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| Tallken | note to self | Sep 20 21:30 |
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| Tallken | don't distro war with friends | Sep 20 21:31 |
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| Tallken | Discussing Greg's latest rant | Sep 20 21:31 |
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| Tallken | got a little worried with Gentoo being above Canonical on patches contribution | Sep 20 21:31 |
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| Tallken | someone should do a KDE and Gnome contribution check | Sep 20 21:32 |
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| Tallken | to ease my mind | Sep 20 21:32 |
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| benJIman | Heh canonical have 1 KDE developer and 1-2 GNOME iirc. | Sep 20 21:32 |
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| benJIman | Novell have over a dozen on each I believe. | Sep 20 21:32 |
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| Tallken | Worldwide Employees (2007) | Sep 20 21:35 |
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| Tallken | Canonical: ~130 | Sep 20 21:35 |
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| Tallken | Red Hat: ~2200 | Sep 20 21:35 |
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| Tallken | Novell: ~4100 | Sep 20 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | And shrinking (NOVL) | Sep 20 21:36 |
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| benJIman | Nowhere near that many in Novell's linux division of course. | Sep 20 21:36 |
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| Tallken | they've to have developers on something | Sep 20 21:36 |
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| benJIman | But yes, canonical are too small to do much useful. | Sep 20 21:36 |
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| twitter | Are you calling Ubuntu useless, Benji? | Sep 20 21:37 |
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| Tallken | how many do they have on upstart? | Sep 20 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Canonical need to maintain many products. 6-month release cycle+LTSs | Sep 20 21:38 |
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| benJIman | twitter: No, canonical. They just work on locking people into their proprietary launchpad and don't give back to the community. | Sep 20 21:38 |
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| benJIman | Launchpad is the only thing they have any significant development effort on and it's non-free. | Sep 20 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Novell just works on locking people into their proprietary Microsoft stuff | Sep 20 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | They give back to the community... patent threats. | Sep 20 21:39 |
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| benJIman | Mono is not proprietary. It may be encumbered in the united states. | Sep 20 21:39 |
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| Tallken | Launchpad is supposed to be freed | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's AGPLv3 (to be | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Not con firmed yet, but schedules to be so. | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: So they've been saying for years. | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| benJIman | I'll believe it when I see it. | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| Tallken | I, and many people, would be pissed if it wasn't | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| benJIman | Duke Nukem Forever is supposed to be released this year too. | Sep 20 21:40 |
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| twitter | That will happen before XP is secure or Vista works. ha ha. | Sep 20 21:41 |
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| benJIman | I use vista quite happily. | Sep 20 21:41 |
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| MinceR | that's because you're a m$/novell shill. | Sep 20 21:41 |
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| benJIman | I don't think people who are trolling it for not working have actually tried it. | Sep 20 21:41 |
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| twitter | happily, I do not think that word means what you think it means. | Sep 20 21:41 |
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| benJIman | There's no comparison between a linux distribution and a windows release in terms of amount of QA. | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| MinceR | i have actually tried it and i still think it sucks. | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| MinceR | that's true -- in the former, there's actual QA happening. | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| twitter | There's hardly a publisher who has not said Vista sucks. Would you like a small list, Benji? | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| Tallken | not Vista again | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| benJIman | twitter: They are comparing it to other windows releases they're more used to. | Sep 20 21:42 |
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| Tallken | stop the chat, back to distro | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| benJIman | Not to linux releases that have much more major issues tbh. | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| MinceR | in the case of a winblows release, they just bring out a piece of turd with a new skin that's not even beta quality. | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| Tallken | I believe in Canonical and its founder and users and contributors | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| twitter | don't forget the new restrictions. | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| Tallken | So far, I've nothing which makes me suspicious | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| twitter | snake oil for the MAFIAA | Sep 20 21:43 |
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| twitter | Benji, they all say it sucks on it's own, and that says a lot for Windows users who are used to suck. | Sep 20 21:44 |
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| benJIman | Personally I think it's far superior to XP. | Sep 20 21:44 |
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| benJIman | Though I'm using server 2003 at work, not vista | Sep 20 21:45 |
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| twitter | Here's everyone else saying Vista sucks out loud. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/... | Sep 20 21:46 |
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| twitter | Here's a list of failure. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 | Sep 20 21:46 |
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| MinceR | http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007/12/... | Sep 20 21:46 |
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| benJIman | And if they were reviewing a major linux distribution in its place do you think they would be any less scathing? | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| MinceR | hm, twitter's post already has that one. | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| twitter | Actually, many of the same people have and the GNU/Linux comes out well. | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| MinceR | benJIman: it would, except in the case of Microsoft Linux, SuSE Edition. | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| Tallken | Ok, I GIVE UP DISTRO WARS. Officially marked as non productive. I'll go back to Windows just to avoid distro wars :D | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| benJIman | MinceR: I think you are deluding yourself. | Sep 20 21:47 |
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| MinceR | benJIman: keep telling that to everyone. | Sep 20 21:48 |
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| MinceR | benJIman: perhaps you'll manage to live out an entire life in your little dream world. | Sep 20 21:48 |
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| MinceR | though it might get a little more difficult once novell (and eventually microsoft) goes under. | Sep 20 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Or together | Sep 20 21:49 |
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| Tallken | bah | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| Tallken | I'm migrating to Gentoo | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| twitter | M$ won't survive the coming recession/depression | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| Tallken | twitter: of course it will | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | A few seconds ago I finished this post < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/tr... >, which I think sums up what might happen next. | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| Tallken | twitter: MS is a lion, wouldn't go down that easily | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| MinceR | i think it depends on whether they can keep deceiving the stock market | Sep 20 21:50 |
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| MinceR | and perhaps persuade the government to help them out | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| twitter | M$ is a file clerk for people with power and money. They are going to be fired and replaced. | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| MinceR | (mccain might be willing to do that -- after all, he's talking about putting SweatyB in the government...) | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| twitter | Government has SELinux and others. | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| Tallken | who?? | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| MinceR | ballmer. | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| Tallken | WTH???????????? | Sep 20 21:51 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/200... | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but even McCain backed off that idiocy. | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| MinceR | http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/... | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| Tallken | for god's sake | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| Tallken | it just reminds me of Simpsons episode | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| twitter | The guy does not even do email and has a personal goal of learning how to find information on the web. | Sep 20 21:52 |
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| Tallken | in which Monty Burns gets assigned to take a trillion dollar bill to Europe | Sep 20 21:53 |
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| MinceR | that could explain part of why he likes SweatyB. | Sep 20 21:53 |
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| twitter | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2... | Sep 20 21:54 |
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| twitter | When you have too many houses to count, you don't need to do email. | Sep 20 21:55 |
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| twitter | You might even admire M$. | Sep 20 21:55 |
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| twitter | Or be a happy Vista user. :-D | Sep 20 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* @ SweatyB. [H]omer's joke is catching on. | Sep 20 21:56 |
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| Tallken | with the speech "And we chose Monty Burns, the richest people in town and therefore most trustworthy" | Sep 20 21:56 |
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| benJIman | It really adds credibilty to your arguments. | Sep 20 21:56 |
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| Tallken | very, very, very sad | Sep 20 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I have many links and info on McCain and Microsoft. | Sep 20 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | This goes many years back. | Sep 20 21:57 |
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| twitter | Screaming, shouting and sweating at 30,000 of your slaves in a stadium makes you credible too. | Sep 20 21:57 |
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| twitter | I love this companyyyyyyy! | Sep 20 21:57 |
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| twitter | Smash the unAmerican Cancer! | Sep 20 21:58 |
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| Tallken | In fact, McCain even seemed at one point to be open to ISPs censoring consumer’s internet experience to block access to competitors’ services, saying at one point “When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment.” | Sep 20 21:58 |
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| Tallken | WTF? | Sep 20 21:58 |
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| twitter | Those are things Ballmer has said. | Sep 20 21:58 |
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| Tallken | ya, censor Google | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| Tallken | CENSOR BOOKS AS WELL | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| Tallken | after all, libraries belong to someone | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: it's worse. AT&T censors political stuff. | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| Tallken | they should have the right to do it | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | They intercepted a concert that was critical of Bush. | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| twitter | McCain said that, I thought it was ATT | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's why McCain wants to learn how to "find information on the Web" | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: what's your input on this? | Sep 20 22:00 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: I don't live in the US. | Sep 20 22:00 |
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| twitter | The truthout mail list blockage was bad. | Sep 20 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | He wants to understand how ordinary people ("little people") find out about his past scandals on teh google. | Sep 20 22:00 |
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| twitter | that and how to look up people on his blacklists. | Sep 20 22:01 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: ok, having said that, if it were on your country, and assuming the info pasted here is right, having said that, what's your input? | Sep 20 22:01 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: In the UK we actually have competition between ISPs and a regulating body. | Sep 20 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | [to self: weird... this spellchecker fixes "teh" on the fly] | Sep 20 22:01 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: lulz :D | Sep 20 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | I thought it needed to be enabled. | Sep 20 22:02 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: yah, but what do you think about that Mccain pipe thing? | Sep 20 22:02 |
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| twitter | Pidgin just underlines things. I hate autowrong. | Sep 20 22:03 |
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| benJIman | I am against censorship and net unneutrality. | Sep 20 22:03 |
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| benJIman | That said in an ideal world there would be competition between ISPs so people could choose one that didn't fail. | Sep 20 22:03 |
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| benJIman | But in the US you don't really have competition between ISPs. | Sep 20 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Shared monopoly. | Sep 20 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | A shame... | Sep 20 22:04 |
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| twitter | Collective Oligarchy. | Sep 20 22:04 |
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| twitter | dinner time. | Sep 20 22:04 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: ya, I suppose, I'm not knowlegeable of US's ISP's reality | Sep 20 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.danablankenhorn.com/intern... | Sep 20 22:05 |
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| Tallken | but even with competition | Sep 20 22:05 |
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| Tallken | it's a dangerous path | Sep 20 22:05 |
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| Tallken | let's suppose one company has censorship, censors youtube, saves a lot of bandwidth, and that company covers all the country | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: Some ISPs in the UK already do it, virgin media block access to some websites and tiscali/bt traffic shape content heavily. | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| Tallken | and there is one company which provides everything but it's small | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| Tallken | the more likely is that the small company will drown | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| Tallken | it's a dangerous path | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| Tallken | that's a non solution, though I know it happens | Sep 20 22:06 |
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| Tallken | it's that damn "acceptable usage policy" | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | limit the monthly bandwidth | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | general, or limit it by category | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | and state the bandwidth available | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | but noooooooooo | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | NO LIMITS (*) | Sep 20 22:07 |
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| Tallken | (*) you have to have an acceptable usage | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | :( | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | in Portugal with had horrible limits | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: What country do you live in? | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | in 2003 it'd be, by 35 euros, 1GB internation traffic | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | 20 GB national traffic | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | now it's unlimited | Sep 20 22:08 |
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| Tallken | unlimited!! oh yeah!!! oh wait, what's that? Acceptable use policy??? | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | 20 GB | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | I'd run out after one day of backups. | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| Tallken | 20GB ___national___ | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| benJIman | In the UK we have the phone line infrastructure that is owned by BT, but they are forced to allow other ISPs to use it and even put their own equipment in telephone exchanges by ofcom. Which results in dozens even hundreds of ISPs that cover the whole country. | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | BN does almost 2 GB of traffic a day | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| Tallken | ah, I can't also have a server on a domestic internet access | Sep 20 22:10 |
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| Tallken | but it's less preposterous | Sep 20 22:10 |
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| *trmanco has quit ("I just hit the close button :)") | Sep 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | That's cap on volume though, not content | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | timbl wants to now flag sites with 'ranks' of credibility | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| Tallken | though there should be an unifying of services, but I don't know the business reality so I won't go that path | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: Hardly any ISPs do port blocking (except for 25 for spam reasons) here. | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: there are no port blocking | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: So why can't you run servers? | Sep 20 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | timbl could start by blacklisting propaganda channels... like, you know, Fox, CNN... | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: I contractually forbidden to do it, at least on my old ISP | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's PR blog... :-) | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| Tallken | *contractually | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: Hardly an *Internet* service provider then are they. | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| Tallken | rofl | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: I suppose, you have to have a business plan to be allowed to do it | Sep 20 22:12 |
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| Tallken | honestly, with my current ISP, I don't know if I can | Sep 20 22:13 |
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| benJIman | I'm using be broadband at the moment. Quite nice, 2mbit up, 24mbit down, no traffic shaping, low contention. | Sep 20 22:13 |
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| Tallken | but it's 3G/GPRS and 6GB of monthly bandwidth (not differentiated) so I don't want to run a server anyway :D | Sep 20 22:13 |
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| Tallken | (€39,90) | Sep 20 22:14 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: you can set up a server? | Sep 20 22:15 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: Sure, you can on most ISPs but obviously upstream on ADSL is pretty sucky. | Sep 20 22:16 |
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| Tallken | lol ya :P | Sep 20 22:17 |
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| Tallken | 384kbps on 3G :D | Sep 20 22:17 |
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| Tallken | I'd an idea the other day I believe would set up standards for all proprietary OS out there | Sep 20 22:20 |
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| Tallken | instead of bitching about the "communism" of Linuxes and alike, sell some versions of the OS with an insurance included | Sep 20 22:20 |
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| Tallken | it'd be a incentive to safe programming | Sep 20 22:21 |
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| MinceR | what sort of insurance? | Sep 20 22:21 |
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| Tallken | if you got the Blaster | Sep 20 22:21 |
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| Tallken | either a) you'd be paid | Sep 20 22:21 |
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| Tallken | or b) if you believed it had been as a result of a pretty dumb mistake | Sep 20 22:21 |
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| Tallken | sue the company :D | Sep 20 22:22 |
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| Tallken | I once saw some comment about this somewhere | Sep 20 22:22 |
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| MinceR | that would be nice. | Sep 20 22:22 |
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| Tallken | in the likes of "Sometimes I wonder if, unlike the rest of the world, the cause of all evils in software security is that there aren't enough lawyers involved" | Sep 20 22:22 |
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| Tallken | of course it'd be an optional package, as a home user I want cheap products | Sep 20 22:23 |
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| Tallken | but as a company I want either cheap products | Sep 20 22:23 |
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| Tallken | or some factual guarantees | Sep 20 22:23 |
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| Tallken | instead of "oh, we're closed source and therefore we're safe" | Sep 20 22:23 |
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| Tallken | replace closed with open if you will | Sep 20 22:24 |
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| Tallken | I think it was an ACM article | Sep 20 22:24 |
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| Tallken | let me check | Sep 20 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR, Tallken liability is an important topic. | Sep 20 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | I have some links about it. | Sep 20 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Here are some (ignore the trolls): http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.a... | Sep 20 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | More here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advoc... | Sep 20 22:30 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: disregard what I said about being forbidden of having a server | Sep 20 22:31 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: can't find it in the contract | Sep 20 22:32 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: can't get anyone else to confirm it | Sep 20 22:32 |
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| Tallken | benJIman: maybe I was mistaken, though I'd swore I'd read that in my contract | Sep 20 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't realise (until now) that Perlow was with the OS/2 team: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.a... | Sep 20 22:33 |
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| Tallken | > > That would be a Linux/OSS crapware package that uses 100% of the CPU when | Sep 20 22:34 |
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| Tallken | > > viewing an image file. | Sep 20 22:34 |
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| Tallken | I love insightful comments | Sep 20 22:34 |
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| Tallken | NOT | Sep 20 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | There are Munchkins there. | Sep 20 22:35 |
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| Tallken | Muchkins? | Sep 20 22:35 |
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| Tallken | *Munchkins? | Sep 20 22:35 |
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| Tallken | lol ok the guy who said that "That would be a Linux/OSS crapware package that uses 100% of the CPU when " had been provoked lol | Sep 20 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/groups/search... | Sep 20 22:36 |
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| zoobab | http://stopsoftwarepatents.org/for... | Sep 20 22:37 |
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| zoobab | we need this stpry on /. | Sep 20 22:38 |
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| zoobab | the american geeks will be furious | Sep 20 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/19/... | Sep 20 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Is it now old news? | Sep 20 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | It was on Slashdot before, zoobab. BTW, thanks for Digital Majority. it's a treasure. | Sep 20 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/2... | Sep 20 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: watch the comment from Rex here for additional background: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin... | Sep 20 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk... "Responding to August's landmark order from the FCC, Comcast has provided an extensive description of its infamous BitTorrent blocking - though it has yet to admit that blocking is the right word." | Sep 20 22:52 |
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| Tallken | it wan't in ACM... http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/12887/?a=f | Sep 20 22:56 |
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| Tallken | < Why Software Is So Bad > | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| Tallken | ( July 2002 ) | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| Tallken | Quote: | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| Tallken | >> Some software companies are responding to these criticisms by revamping their procedures; Microsoft, stung by charges that its products are buggy, is publicly leading the way. Yet problems with software quality have endured so long, and seem so intractably embedded in software culture, that some coders are beginning to think the unthinkable. To their own amazement, these people have found themselves wondering if the real problem | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | I read it once. | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| Tallken | with software is that not enough lawyers are involved. | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| *Tallken grins | Sep 20 22:57 |
| Tallken | (with last sentence) | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Well, not quite. A professor sent it to me about 2 months ago. | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check. | Sep 20 22:57 |
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| zoobab | http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-90680/microsoft-c... | Sep 20 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: did you see the links above? | Sep 20 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | 'McCarthy sometimes begins talks at his school with a PowerPoint presentation. The first slide reads, "Most Software Sucks."' | Sep 20 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's the tactic Microsoft uses to discourage people from exploring other options like OS X and GNU/Linux | Sep 20 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* zoobab: thanks for the linl. | Sep 20 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | *link | Sep 20 23:01 |
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| zoobab | BSA is pushing for EU-EPLA | Sep 20 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Got a link? | Sep 20 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | They were very busy a month ago (RAND lobby) | Sep 20 23:02 |
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| zoobab | I am writing about it | Sep 20 23:03 |
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| zoobab | where? | Sep 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Let me get it. | Sep 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | I have one set here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advo... | Sep 20 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | And this set: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.adv... | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | ACT is there too (Zuck and his umbrella du jour... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/01/americans... ) | Sep 20 23:08 |
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| Tallken | well | Sep 20 23:10 |
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| Tallken | me leaving | Sep 20 23:10 |
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| Tallken | cya! | Sep 20 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | See you. | Sep 20 23:10 |
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| *Tallken has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Sep 20 23:11 |
| cj | schestowitz: you should chime in here... | Sep 20 23:27 |
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| cj | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpre... | Sep 20 23:27 |
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| cj | I figue you will eventually, but you might as well be notified sooner rather than later :) | Sep 20 23:27 |
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| cj | ha! They changed patents so that investigation regarding applicability is deferred until the patent is being defended! | Sep 20 23:30 |
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