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| MinceR | gn | Nov 15 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 15 00:58 |
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| twitter | With E, you just run the KDE and Gnome theme utilities for apps. E, of course, is famous for theming it's borders and menus but it leaves other people's apps alone. | Nov 15 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Perhaps that has changed since I last used it. | Nov 15 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Peter is no longer here anyway. | Nov 15 01:10 |
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| twitter | It's about the same as it always was. E themes are a pain to make but easy to install if they are packaged already. | Nov 15 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Your stalker is in BN again. | Nov 15 01:37 |
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| neighborlee | is rms still actually against mono ? | Nov 15 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | "You're sad for giving a shit and spending all this time on researching his nicks. Who gives a shit?" | Nov 15 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: well, depends on how it's used. He doesn't wanyt | Nov 15 01:38 |
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| neighborlee | woah | Nov 15 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | oops | Nov 15 01:39 |
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| neighborlee | just wondering as his 2007 statement was rather stern | Nov 15 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | dotbnu is useful for migrating legacy apps. | Nov 15 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | But Novell actually BUILDS with Mono. | Nov 15 01:39 |
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| twitter | Where is the silly stalker now? I consider that kind of thing spam. People are paid to write it. | Nov 15 01:54 |
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| neighborlee | indeed | Nov 15 01:56 |
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| twitter | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/... | Nov 15 02:04 |
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| twitter | http://www.nytimes-se.com/ | Nov 15 02:08 |
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| twitter | heh, here's what happened to your trolls. http://www.nytimes-se.com/2009/07/04/public-r... | Nov 15 02:17 |
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| neighborlee | ahh so RMS is just 'being fed disinformation on topics he isn't fully versed in - but he's been a supporter of people using whichever language they like best for 20-30 years. ' | Nov 15 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | interesting huh | Nov 15 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | rms is just misinformed is all..;) | Nov 15 02:25 |
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| twitter | RMS is a supporter of freedom and is more consistent than others about most things. | Nov 15 02:48 |
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| twitter | Instead of recommending any specific language he points out problems, such as C with classes being easier for people to make non free than ordinary C. | Nov 15 02:50 |
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| twitter | "tailored lethality" Weapons advert. Your body bag should not pinch or be too lose. | Nov 15 03:32 |
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| schestowitz | Someone is stalking neighborlee this month. | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | Search Keyphrases (Top 10) | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | novell1972.5 % | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | boycottnovell1301.6 % | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | microsoft layoffs540.6 % | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | linux530.6 % | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | site boycottnovell.com boycottnovell neighborlee420.5 % | Nov 15 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | "Interesting read on the de evolution of Wallstreet, from an insider's perspective. Or how to take the concept of investing in companies because they provide sound goods and services and turn it into pretty much anything but that." < http://technocrat.net/d/2... > < http://technocrat.net/d/200... > | Nov 15 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | Reducing the Risk of Human Extinction < http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/... > | Nov 15 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | Schneier linked to it today. For some reason.. | Nov 15 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Sun needs to do more to explain to the public how Novell forks its projects and harms Sun/JAVA with Mono/.NET. | Nov 15 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is attacking Sun at the moment (OOo and Java). Please raise awareness. | Nov 15 11:38 |
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| Tallken | I liked the fact Novell was selling OOo with support ^^ | Nov 15 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | They also do this to Red Hat. | Nov 15 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Will they also sell $0 copies of Microsoft Office and Windows (with support)? ;-p | Nov 15 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Novell to suffocate Microsoft's fierce competition. | Nov 15 11:58 |
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| trmanco | look like we have a new troll | Nov 15 12:02 |
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| trmanco | looks* | Nov 15 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? There are several. Some of them are twitter's obsessive stalkers. | Nov 15 12:09 |
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| trmanco | Barca | Nov 15 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, in USENET? | Nov 15 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's Gary Stewart with a new name. | Nov 15 12:16 |
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| trmanco | oh great | Nov 15 12:17 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 15 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | Those who believe that Novell and Microsoft do well financially are easily fooled by PR. Let's not be gullible, shall we? I did an article about layoffs this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/15/micr... | Nov 15 12:44 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Nov 15 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | J0 | Nov 15 13:17 |
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| seller_liar | I have found a .net to java converter | Nov 15 13:43 |
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| seller_liar | https://net2java.dev.java.net/ | Nov 15 13:43 |
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| seller_liar | but it seems incomplete | Nov 15 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | What about Mainsoft? | Nov 15 13:43 |
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| seller_liar | no this time is free gpl v2 | Nov 15 13:43 |
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| seller_liar | look a t project page | Nov 15 13:44 |
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| seller_liar | I'm not a good dev ,but if you know a good one ,please cite this project | Nov 15 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | You still need to convince devs to ditch the monkey (mono) | Nov 15 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | I'll blog it in 20 mins | Nov 15 13:46 |
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| seller_liar | Yes ,I know but this project is better than nothing | Nov 15 13:46 |
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| seller_liar | convince people change is veeeeery hard! | Nov 15 13:46 |
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| seller_liar | thanks! | Nov 15 13:46 |
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| seller_liar | And this is a way to java explore .net libraries ,the same way ikvm does | Nov 15 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | I do a post about Mono. | Nov 15 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Including an RMS video | Nov 15 13:49 |
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| seller_liar | What rms says about mono? | Nov 15 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | You'll see. It's up in a few minutes. I just proofread another pending post. | Nov 15 13:54 |
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| seller_liar | ok | Nov 15 13:54 |
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| seller_liar | there's a lot of good projects in java.net | Nov 15 13:55 |
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| seller_liar | but there's a lot of abandoned projects | Nov 15 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | We need to find solutions. | Nov 15 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Ranting about the .NET threat is one thing. | Nov 15 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Anything we can show users would be good. | Nov 15 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | One reader tells me that we need to use the space to point people at the /right/ tools, not just dismiss the bad ones. | Nov 15 13:57 |
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| seller_liar | java2net developer | Nov 15 14:02 |
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| seller_liar | http://blogs.sun.com/roll... | Nov 15 14:02 |
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| seller_liar | sorry net2java! | Nov 15 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 15 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | I got it. | Nov 15 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Anything else you can find? | Nov 15 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe companies like Red Hat can help Sun with it... to remove the Mono/.NET issue from Fedora. | Nov 15 14:10 |
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| seller_liar | I will try to find more info | Nov 15 14:13 |
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| seller_liar | Net2java can be very handy to convert banshee to a java form , | Nov 15 14:14 |
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| seller_liar | But is very incomplete | Nov 15 14:14 |
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| seller_liar | The last version dates jan 2007 | Nov 15 14:14 |
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| seller_liar | no more patent problem and the user still uses the software! | Nov 15 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes... can the developer than carry on coding in Java? | Nov 15 14:16 |
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| seller_liar | The problem is net2java converts only | Nov 15 14:18 |
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| seller_liar | It's not possible to use net classes and compiles them in java bytecode | Nov 15 14:18 |
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| seller_liar | it's not possible to use net code for scripting in java for example | Nov 15 14:18 |
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| seller_liar | like jython and jtuby | Nov 15 14:19 |
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| seller_liar | *jruby | Nov 15 14:19 |
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| seller_liar | http://cld.blog-city.com/convert_c_and_vbn... | Nov 15 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think Sun will soon be divided. | Nov 15 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | Sun's symbol (ticker) is JAVA | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| seller_liar | a old notice | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.computerworld.com/development... | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Java is the #1 programming lang. | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| seller_liar | Why Sun can divide? | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I'm adding it. | Nov 15 14:22 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.theserverside.com/news/th... | Nov 15 14:25 |
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| seller_liar | but this article in computer world is another tool | Nov 15 14:25 |
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| seller_liar | is a proprietary tool | Nov 15 14:25 |
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| seller_liar | is a very old notice | Nov 15 14:25 |
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| seller_liar | and speaks some info about micros*it | Nov 15 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | Okay, wait.. | Nov 15 14:27 |
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| twitter | "One reader tells me that we need to use the space to point people at the /right/ tools, not just dismiss the bad ones." I'm not sure about that. | Nov 15 14:59 |
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| twitter | Each of the alternatives do their job of promoting themselves. BN is not made to pick favorites, only to point out dangers to freedom. | Nov 15 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | That's what I said initially. I don't want it to look like advertising. | Nov 15 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | If it were not for Shane, I'd drop the adverts too, but he pays the hosting bills. | Nov 15 15:04 |
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| twitter | To do detailed technical analysis of each of the alternatives you would have to make yourself a expert of the alternative and Mono. That would take a lot of time better spent on other things. | Nov 15 15:07 |
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| twitter | Learning M$ technologies is worse than a waste of time, it's often damaging. | Nov 15 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's still essential for criticism. | Nov 15 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | If you get the facts wrong, the PJ comes with a cluebat claiming to be superior. :-) | Nov 15 15:12 |
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| twitter | No. Freedom has nothing to do with technical details. | Nov 15 15:12 |
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| twitter | The M$/Novell Mono threat is about patents and judicial extortion. | Nov 15 15:13 |
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| twitter | No one wants to suffer those, which is the basis of the M$/Novell deal. | Nov 15 15:13 |
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| twitter | M$ is trying to damage free software by infusing it with patent encumbered technology which it then promotes and threatens at the same time. | Nov 15 15:15 |
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| twitter | This creates FUD for gnome, divisions the evangelists can exploit and wastes developer time. | Nov 15 15:17 |
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| twitter | The M$/Novell deal strengthens all of that and makes legal FUD for competitors. | Nov 15 15:17 |
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| twitter | The best thing that can happen is software patents being thrown out, and the US is coming close to that. | Nov 15 15:18 |
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| twitter | The worst thing that can happen is a dying M$ suing Red Hat, Canonical and other free distributions for willful infringement. | Nov 15 15:19 |
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| twitter | We all know the case is total bullshit but M$ still has money to cause harm with the crazy US legal system. | Nov 15 15:20 |
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| twitter | The nastiest thing of all is that they can sit for years without doing anything. The threat alone causes great harm. | Nov 15 15:21 |
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| twitter | Developers should understand this and shun mono. | Nov 15 15:21 |
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| twitter | It would not matter if the only alternative was barely functional, but it just so happens that there are plenty of good competitors. Perl, PHP, java and others. I don't know the details because it's not my line of work. | Nov 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | I do know that these alternatives are the incumbents and run successful sites like Slashdot. | Nov 15 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... | Nov 15 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, just caught up and I agree. | Nov 15 15:25 |
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| twitter | Nice write up. | Nov 15 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | AstroTurfing agency: http://www.linkedin.com/co... | Nov 15 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Apparently hired by Microsoft to rip the Web. | Nov 15 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Recent Promotions and Changes [...] Andrea Goodrow, Microsoft College Tour, Brand Ambassador" | Nov 15 15:41 |
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| _doug | Roy .. | Nov 15 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _doug. | Nov 15 15:43 |
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| _doug | Wait .. I have more ... | Nov 15 15:43 |
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| _doug | re: another issue :) | Nov 15 15:44 |
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| *schestowitz whistles | Nov 15 15:48 |
| -_doug-DCC Chat (217.204.51.230) | Nov 15 15:50 |
| *Received a DCC CHAT offer from _doug | Nov 15 15:50 |
| _doug | Xbox 360 poised to overtake the Xbox .. | Nov 15 15:51 |
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| _doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blo... | Nov 15 15:52 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 15 15:52 |
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| _doug | "I remember the original Xbox as a bit of a flop" | Nov 15 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Bo contrast? | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Bo contrast? | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Bo contrast? | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | By contrast? | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Excuse me while I puke, :-) | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | By contrast? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15... | Nov 15 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | $7 billion in debt? | Nov 15 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | "XP was bad. By contrast, VIsta is great. Now why don't you go to the shop and buy Vista then/>? | Nov 15 15:57 |
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| _doug | replace $Vista with $Windows\ 7 | Nov 15 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, any $version and $version+1 | Nov 15 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | "In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X." -- Microsoft < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... > | Nov 15 16:04 |
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| _doug | YOu know that could be the source-manual for any kind of marketing .. | Nov 15 16:05 |
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| _doug | From corn-flakes to soap-powder .. | Nov 15 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but it's important the people are made aware of it. | Nov 15 16:06 |
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| _doug | Promise them the communicator off StarTrek, get the contract and then sell them a re-hash of some bought-in half-working product with most of the feetures not-working .. | Nov 15 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft: "The purpose of announcing early like this is to <b>freeze the market</b> at the OEM and ISV level. In this respect it is JUST like the original Windows announcement... | Nov 15 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft: "One might worry that this will help Sun because <b>we will just have vaporware</b>, that people will stop buying 486 machines, that we will have endorsed RISC but not delivered... So, Scott, do you really think you can fight that avalanche?" | Nov 15 16:07 |
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| _doug | Is comes 3096 copy-right ? | Nov 15 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's a court exhibit. | Nov 15 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft wanted it destroyed (and paid for it), but we grabbed a copy. | Nov 15 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes when the law is broken, then you can't recall disclosure unethical. | Nov 15 16:08 |
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| _doug | who rrote it again ? | Nov 15 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Some guy who preached at Microsoft. | Nov 15 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Goebbelsoft | Nov 15 16:09 |
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| _doug | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?c... | Nov 15 16:10 |
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| _doug | Ya gotta admire Jamie .. :) | Nov 15 16:11 |
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| _doug | "I talked about how you're using the pawns and you're going to screw them .. You can't let them feel like that. If they feel like that, you've lost from the beginning" | Nov 15 16:12 |
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| _doug | What's he doing now ? | Nov 15 16:12 |
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| _doug | "Writing a book on the theory and practice of Technical Evangelism, which is what he did at Microsoft for eight years." | Nov 15 16:14 |
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| _doug | http://www.plamondon.net/james/ | Nov 15 16:14 |
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| _doug | Never mind 'Technology Evangelism', sounds too narrow a field, he should write a general faction novel on what it was like to be at the center, while bill and steve were building the empire .. | Nov 15 16:16 |
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| _doug | I wonder who should paly them in the movie ? | Nov 15 16:16 |
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| _doug | play | Nov 15 16:16 |
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| _doug | Gary Oldman = billg | Nov 15 16:17 |
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| _doug | ot: The Baader Meinhof Complex .. what motovated them ? | Nov 15 16:18 |
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| _doug | A bunch of middle-calss kids pissed off at their parents, so they blew things up .. | Nov 15 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 15 16:18 |
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| _doug | Yea .. ?? | Nov 15 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Is this the guy who wrote the evanglism stuff? | Nov 15 16:19 |
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| _doug | back on topic: Beau Bridges plays the old Steve Ballmer ... | Nov 15 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | No, wait... was that him? | Nov 15 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw had the name, I haven't looked though. | Nov 15 16:19 |
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| _doug | Chris O'Donnell plays the young Steve, when he had $hair€® | Nov 15 16:20 |
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| _doug | Well .. never mind .. I'm sure there's a book there .. and none of it in the private-domain ... | Nov 15 16:23 |
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| _doug | 'Technical Evangelist' there's that phrase again .. | Nov 15 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: one question | Nov 15 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | "In the section of an internal manual on effective evangelism, written in 1997 by James Plamondon," | Nov 15 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Ha. Got it! | Nov 15 16:44 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, haa,,they are now ( on ubuntu forum ,and of course on recurring disucssions where it wont get alot of play :)..) claiming that regardless that rms said mono should be avoided, that surely we dont know that he came to this conclusion via 'caeful consideration' LOL..I guess they are also now mono-mindreaders | Nov 15 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | I have a new post about Mono: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Nov 15 16:56 |
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| neighborlee | k | Nov 15 16:57 |
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| neighborlee | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st... < ive seen before, but its a great one to be aware of in future talks of mono-moonlight,,everyday sheds more light on what a ridiculous joke mono is and novel/ubuntu for supporting it , and to fedora/redhat for being brave and forwards thinking for avoiding it. | Nov 15 17:23 |
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| neighborlee | Of additional merit on the grounds of laughter, is the fact that they point to Gnewsense's inclusion of mono, to discredit RMS statements that we should avoid mono LOL ;) | Nov 15 17:27 |
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| neighborlee | Considering Gnewsense is #70, even though they cite me for using parroting propaganda for my arguments, theirs is based on a distro that has no weight with anyone in the linux community, whereas my at least is from someone who holds much regard ;) | Nov 15 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 15 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | I'm trying to explain this to RMS at the moment. | Nov 15 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | He's new to some of this. | Nov 15 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | good. | Nov 15 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | OK, done. | Nov 15 17:37 |
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| neighborlee | THey try to paint you usually as propgandic adhominem attacks against novel , but while offering your views you offer said views open to civil discourse, even though many mono supporters usually degrade into terribly lacking civility, inherant it seems in their demeanor which I find ironic in the quest to claim with straight forward face that mono is safe LOL | Nov 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | I mistkenly wrote "Linux" once. This was not intended and I always refer to the system as GNU/Linux (I generally disregard Linus for his philosophy). | Nov 15 17:38 |
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| neighborlee | well if thats your only sin, I suspect god will pardon you ;) | Nov 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | In press releases which announce the patent deals, Microsoft refers to the covered technology as "Linux" (with the exception of Samsung, which goes further). | Nov 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Therefore my explanation seemed as demeaning as theirs. They also do not make it clear which parts exactly (of the GNU system) they refer to, but they spoke of GUIs at a later occasion. | Nov 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | InfoWorld (IDG) will soon publish an article about Microsoft and Novell. It will incorporate bits of my interview with them (the editor approached me). I didn't mention Mono though. | Nov 15 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | I ought to have corrected my last mistake with InfoWorld though.... one where I implies that Red Hat was a member of OSDL. They were not. | Nov 15 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Got to go now. Bbl | Nov 15 17:42 |
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| neighborlee | cu | Nov 15 17:42 |
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| _doug | The Guardian has an interesting article .. which examines some persons of interest to computer technology (Bill Joy, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, amongst others .. | Nov 15 18:29 |
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| _doug | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Nov 15 18:29 |
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| trmanco | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=628 | Nov 15 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not a fan of ESR | Nov 15 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | ...not 'Linux Hater' | Nov 15 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Bye-bye A&B < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200... > | Nov 15 20:51 |
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| neighborlee | latest FUD from HEX: " The funny thing about boycottnovell & those who copypaste their party line, is that NOTHING would be sufficient - largely because of misdirected hate. " | Nov 15 21:45 |
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| neighborlee | its hate to them because we are willling to take the heat and divulge the mistruth behind mono...yup haters all of us :)) | Nov 15 21:46 |
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| neighborlee | the truth willl make you hate :) <ah ha> ;) | Nov 15 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Hate comes from Microsoft. | Nov 15 21:46 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 15 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/15/micros... | Nov 15 21:46 |
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| neighborlee | interesting | Nov 15 21:49 |
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| neighborlee | yeah as if ( as if it were true) we had any potential patent on hate, and judging by this james guy we surely wouldn't LOL | Nov 15 21:50 |
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| neighborlee | like all these mono supporters are arrogant and vile, just like james here...I see it over an over again | Nov 15 21:50 |
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| neighborlee | I can use logic to explain my view, but they usually fire back with anger...its been the case every single time. | Nov 15 21:51 |
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| neighborlee | and I pointed it out, and of course I just got more anger ;) | Nov 15 21:51 |
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| neighborlee | but sadly its getting kinda silly..the forum talks is almost irrelvant now because its under 'recurring discussions' , so very few people will be seeing it anyway. | Nov 15 21:53 |
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| neighborlee | ubuntu clealry wants to 'hide' this from broader community views so they slammed it there,,its so blatantly obvious. | Nov 15 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | A community that refuses to discuss direction is a monarchy. Monarchies die in Free software. | Nov 15 22:07 |
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| neighborlee | agreed. | Nov 15 22:08 |
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| MinceR | what's debian's stance on the .net trap? | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| MinceR | and what's ubuntu's stance on it? | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Why is 'directhex' anonymous? Who does he work for? How does he make money from mono? Does he care about freedom or about his money? These questions he must answer. Without disclosure, you can't trust anyone. | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, yup | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | I got an E-mail about Debian stance on Go-OO. | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | But not Debian. | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's older news | Nov 15 22:10 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, they include mono in defaault livecd install that much I am sure of..so they endorse it. | Nov 15 22:10 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee: which one? | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, livecd | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee: i mean, debian or ubuntu? | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, not sure about alternate install method | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | ubuntu | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | debian doesn't yet I dont think. | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | I know there is some mono debian website, but debian doesnt officially endorse it I dont think. | Nov 15 22:11 |
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| neighborlee | I def to schestowitz on this as I think he has written on it. | Nov 15 22:12 |
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| neighborlee | ...defer | Nov 15 22:12 |
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| MinceR | ic | Nov 15 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote about Debian. Got corrected too.. | Nov 15 22:15 |
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| neighborlee | ah | Nov 15 22:21 |
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| neighborlee | so is mono still out of it ? | Nov 15 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | By default. | Nov 15 22:40 |
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| neighborlee | ok good. | Nov 15 22:45 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, in the future, imo anyway it would be nice to be able to click on thoes url that you put sometimes at bottom of quotes..its annoying to have to manually type them in. | Nov 15 22:55 |
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| neighborlee | crap nvm my bad..ic the link above one sentence before. | Nov 15 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean about quotes? | Nov 15 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | The URL from which they come? Hover over links with a globe on them. They are always adjacent to the quotes. | Nov 15 23:03 |
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| neighborlee | yup I know np. | Nov 15 23:10 |
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| neighborlee | the paul allen article is really interesting btw | Nov 15 23:11 |
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| neighborlee | the only people who could possibly think M$ can be trusted are those in their employment :) | Nov 15 23:12 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 15 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | They hope to loot together with "the gang" | Nov 15 23:13 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Nov 15 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/07... ""We're getting the gang back together." | Nov 15 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | I need to find the original article. | Nov 15 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's Microsoft executives talking about "getting the gang back together." | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| neighborlee | I wish them luck, now that there is a actual brilliant lawyer in the white house ;) | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| neighborlee | somehow of actual character this time. | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| neighborlee | someone | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | **Industry Moves: Microsoft Appoints New Head of Zune Unit** 'Microsoft's Entertainment & Devices Div. President Robbie Bach sent an e-mail on Oct. 4 notifying staff of this. Thompson will report to J Allard...he worked with Allard on the original Xbox business. Several of the early Xbox cohorts are already on the Zune team, the story says and quotes | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Allard: "We're getting the gang back together." ' | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| neighborlee | LOL zune <haha | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| neighborlee | the nearly nonexistant device ;)) | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's dead. | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| neighborlee | zune what ? ;))heheh | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Not funny at all. | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Sad story really. Like XBox360... just dead more quickly. | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| neighborlee | I cant cry them a river ;) | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| neighborlee | I dont agree with the type of games they put out anyway,so I cry nothing. | Nov 15 23:15 |
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| neighborlee | THere is a reason wii is so popular..mothers know the breed of games on them are more family oriented ;) | Nov 15 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer called Zune and XBox "funny products" about 4 months ago because, according to him, Microsoft hasn't figured out how to make money out of them (it loses $billions) | Nov 15 23:16 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | I saw some Wii adverts at the gym... nice games with musical instruments and skiing. | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | No knives, chainsaws and plasma rifles. | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| neighborlee | well they are trying to win by having best of breed games, but I think wii is winning them all atm...last I checked anyway | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, exactly | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, there are a few exceptions, but overall definitely yes | Nov 15 23:17 |
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Comments
Jo Shields
2008-11-16 18:22:03
Questions I must answer, yet questions you've never asked me. Odd. Perhaps you aren't inetersted in the truth of any situation, perhaps? With your super mega research powers, I'd expect you to at least be capable of using Google - though, FYI, one of the hits you'll get isn't about me, it's spam about drive manufacturer adapters.