IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 17th, 2008 - Part 1

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-18 09:38:42 UTC
Modified: 2008-11-18 09:38:42 UTC

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dsmith_	all the while, MS builds a computer out of a big ass table.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...	Nov 17 00:00
schestowitz	But I doubt we'll get there. Planet Earth is real f*ed up at the moment.	Nov 17 00:00
dsmith_	AI is coming along fairly nicely	Nov 17 00:00
schestowitz	dsmith_: Surface is more or less dead on arrival.	Nov 17 00:00
dsmith_	gve it 20	Nov 17 00:00
dsmith_	LMFAO	Nov 17 00:00
schestowitz	Like Windows Mobile it was almost absent from PDC	Nov 17 00:00
schestowitz	It's 2.5 times the promised cost because nobody buys or develops for that bad-ass thing.	Nov 17 00:01
dsmith_	aww man I really wanted one	Nov 17 00:01
schestowitz	Bach wanted to cut the cord on this project, but Gates resisted... he later escaped Microsoft in shame... shame with HPC -- another massive failure.	Nov 17 00:01
dsmith_	I can smash my fist on it when it red/white/black/red screens on me	Nov 17 00:01
dsmith_	oh and blue	Nov 17 00:01
schestowitz	These tables are impractical. They miss the ways people use devices these days.	Nov 17 00:02
schestowitz	Most people just want to surf the Web. There are better peripherals.	Nov 17 00:02
schestowitz	Like folding keyboards, projected keyboards, portable finger-sized projectors.	Nov 17 00:02
schestowitz	Surface it to PDAs what big clumsy cloves are to small effective sensors.. or BMI... or voice recognition for commands.	Nov 17 00:03
schestowitz	Surface is so yesterday... like mainframes or big computers that occupy lots of space and do so little of /practical/ advantage for the price.	Nov 17 00:04
schestowitz	Don't forget that Surface uses Vista code, so it's prone to become a zombie. Big Ass Zombie. Demo... http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=3174	Nov 17 00:09
schestowitz	More loss per sale for XBox: Microsoft Cuts Xbox 360 Prices In Australia Again < http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin... >	Nov 17 00:10
schestowitz	Modders be damned: Microsoft bans modified Xbox users from playing < http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/microsoft... >. XBox is only RENTED, not sold.	Nov 17 00:11
schestowitz	Nothing here about Ashley Highfield's past shilling for the Vole: Microsoft lures Kangaroo chief < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/28514d3c-af... .> FT credibility=credibility-1;	Nov 17 00:15
schestowitz	FREE lock-in from Microsoft. Free. Cuffs. Microsoft offers 0% financing for Dynamics < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/... >	Nov 17 00:19
schestowitz	Another article fails to mention a big fiasco: Microsoft poaches Ashley Highfield from BBC, Channel 4 and ITV joint internet venture < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysec... >	Nov 17 00:20
schestowitz	Microsoft shares hit lowest point since 1998 < http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/11/13/ap5690768.html >< http://www.businessweek.com/ap/fina... >	Nov 17 00:22
schestowitz	Cost-savings... note that Microsoft changes how it handles employment so it can report fewer layoffs with perma-temps: Microsoft to spend $1 bln on R&D in China < http://www.reuters.com/article/technolog... >. If not visas, then going overseas to cut costs.	Nov 17 00:26
schestowitz	Microsoft to investigate Hotmail issues < http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2230365/mi... >. No mention of GNU/Linux incompatibilities here.	Nov 17 00:26
schestowitz	FT is urging/daring Microsoft to snatch Yahoo: "Microsoft, by all accounts, has the technology. It does not lack for money and smart engineers either. " < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc5ce4d0-ae... > Nope. Correction: Microsoft has NOT the money. It's almost in debt now, even WITHOUT Yahoo.	Nov 17 00:30
schestowitz	Sun, Microsoft Search Deal Underscore Google's Growing Monopoly < http://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/goog... >. This has NOTHING to do with market share.	Nov 17 00:40
schestowitz	Oh, gosh... spin of 'FREE' lock-in again... Microsoft Funds Malaysian Startups < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1539... >. Drug dealer offers free MSD to kids.. news at 11.	Nov 17 00:49
schestowitz	*LSD	Nov 17 00:49
twitter	LSD, MSDN what's the difference?	Nov 17 00:55
twitter	One is more fun and less harmful than the other.	Nov 17 00:55
MinceR	gn	Nov 17 00:59
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/cont... ( 17,500 jobs slashed at BT, Sun and Yahoo! )	Nov 17 01:08
schestowitz	Sigh People in LXer (well, a vocal minority) does not accept that Microsoft must support GNU/Linux... would be forced to by regulators had Novell not decided to create second-class citizens that step on Microsoft 'IP' toes	Nov 17 01:25
twitter	Who cares about their support? What they need to do is offer their users freedom. "Support" issues will take care of themselves after that.	Nov 17 01:26
twitter	I thought for a while and came up with this story contrasting the state of drivers in Windows and free software http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o...	Nov 17 01:27
schestowitz	I'm reading this rant ATM: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am...	Nov 17 01:29
schestowitz	Linuxhater #2 sign He doesn't write about politics anymore... useles.	Nov 17 01:29
schestowitz	*les	Nov 17 01:29
schestowitz	*less "Peter Kraus - Yesterday at 22:15:23 GMT Just don't fucking kill (tm) google, please. That's my job. --- Steve"	Nov 17 01:30
twitter	Yes, I've seen that problem. Solution - remove Windows.	Nov 17 01:35
schestowitz	When I was younger and there was a Windows partition in one place life was harder.	Nov 17 01:37
twitter	It's more than hibernation, it's anytime you turn off the network device with Winblows. I imagine they are using some kind of ACPI crap to do it, which we all know is defective by design http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/183403	Nov 17 01:37
schestowitz	You can use the univresal things like SCP and you're never sure if your machine won't crash.	Nov 17 01:38
schestowitz	It was a Windows 98 partition...	Nov 17 01:38
schestowitz	Piece of s*	Nov 17 01:38
twitter	98 or XP might be handy in a Virtual box if you work in some kind of Winblows network and the company has custom applications. I'd try wine first.	Nov 17 01:40
twitter	Almost everything Win98 works with Wine, which is more than you can say for XP or Vista.	Nov 17 01:41
schestowitz	Cool. Kevin Werbach is in: http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/11/obama... I've used some of his code and read his Web site a lot in the past.	Nov 17 01:42
schestowitz	sigh More Gate fawning.. Smart economists have already stated very clearly that Mr. Gates and Mr. Buffet put their money in a fundation [sic] because it rids them from taxation as well. There is a lot of stuff people don't know about the fundation. It's a broad topic < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/th... >.	Nov 17 01:50
schestowitz	Ditch the smooth transition. The people voted for change < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2... > "Instead of accepting the corrupted bail-out and reassuring Wall Street, Obama's team must start doing the hard stuff now"	Nov 17 01:57
schestowitz	Court Rules Against White House in Missing E-Mails Case < http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=... > "A U.S. District Court judge ruled Monday that the National Security Archive can move to force the White House to recover millions of Bush administration e-mails lost or destroyed between 2003 and 2005. "	Nov 17 01:58
neighborlee	great news o_0	Nov 17 01:58
twitter	People on board with whitespace as an internet provider are OK with me, but why do they only mention rural areas? Are they afraid to hose telco and broadcast for the good of all?	Nov 17 02:02
schestowitz	Whoa! Some massive MS shills attack.	Nov 17 02:02
twitter	where?	Nov 17 02:02
schestowitz	Check out the Partner Group and the Burton shills: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtar...	Nov 17 02:02
schestowitz	"Hey, let's make an article that says Linux is irrelevant and Windows is good too..."	Nov 17 02:03
schestowitz	I'm suck -- yes stick -- or articles whose substance is some sound bites from self-appointed analysts who live on Microsoft/Oracle bribes.	Nov 17 02:04
twitter	Pam Derringer?	Nov 17 02:06
twitter	SearchEnterpriseLinux is hit and miss.	Nov 17 02:06
twitter	I've seen a lot of annoying content like that before.	Nov 17 02:06
schestowitz	"All hell broke lose when novell guys saw the 'Bycott Novell' handouts pasted right across their booth and said they won't pay up any sponsers money they owe to the event organisers. They took their ire by kicking out the activists and tearing up the posters." < http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott... >	Nov 17 02:07
schestowitz	Pam is usually OK.	Nov 17 02:08
twitter	Novell won't pay up? Classy.	Nov 17 02:08
schestowitz	She should just stay away from these people unless they give disclosure (Microsoft is a major client)	Nov 17 02:08
schestowitz	Novell is poor.	Nov 17 02:09
twitter	Everyone should stay ways from M$. I feel dirty reading stuff from Gartner.	Nov 17 02:09
schestowitz	Hey, maybe Hovie Seppy can beg Ballmer for another smooth $100,000,000 for conference invasion.	Nov 17 02:09
twitter	Ballmer is happy to watch Novell die.	Nov 17 02:10
schestowitz	The funny thing is that people cite Gartner like it's an Einstein quote.	Nov 17 02:10
schestowitz	Watch Ballmer kissing (with tongue) the Gartner shills: http://uk.youtube.com/wa...	Nov 17 02:11
schestowitz	MinceR would love this: Apple pulled a Microsoft 'training camp'-esque routine: Apple Launches Internal University < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1539... >	Nov 17 02:17
twitter	Ballmer kissing? No thanks.	Nov 17 02:25
ZiggyFish	bad mental pitcher	Nov 17 02:27
ZiggyFish	*picture	Nov 17 02:27
twitter	a pitcher might help.	Nov 17 02:27
ZiggyFish	lol	Nov 17 02:27
schestowitz	I was joking. It's his disgusting tongue fetish.	Nov 17 02:27
twitter	fingers literally curled from keyboard	Nov 17 02:28
schestowitz	Anyway, he's so tactless in that appearance. No wonder he drives the company down to the ground.	Nov 17 02:28
ZiggyFish	when he goes mad, he looks like a penguin	Nov 17 02:28
ZiggyFish	god I hate IE	Nov 17 02:29
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schestowitz	Watch them promoting Microsoft shills.at IDG: http://www.computerworld.com/action/...	Nov 17 02:33
schestowitz	This report is from a Microsoft shill. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/16/...	Nov 17 02:33
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ZiggyFish1	back	Nov 17 02:35
ZiggyFish1	Need a flash app (non-opensource) to link to another page, how do i do that	Nov 17 02:38
ZiggyFish1	I tried to use javascript to redirect it to the page I want however, it only works in firefox	Nov 17 02:38
twitter	good night	Nov 17 02:39
ZiggyFish1	good afternoon	Nov 17 02:39
schestowitz	Have you looked at Peer2Patent?	Nov 17 02:39
schestowitz	I hardly hear about it these days.	Nov 17 02:40
schestowitz	I hope it's not collecting dust/mold.	Nov 17 02:40
schestowitz	ZiggyFish: link from the Flash object?	Nov 17 02:40
schestowitz	Or a check for visitor's Flash pug-in?	Nov 17 02:40
ZiggyFish1	no haven't had a chance, been busy this morning	Nov 17 02:41
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ZiggyFish1	link from Flash object	Nov 17 02:41
schestowitz	Yuck: http://linuxd.files.wordpress.co...	Nov 17 02:42
schestowitz	"So pretty I wants to cry"??????/ http://linuxd.wordpress.com/2008/11/1...	Nov 17 02:43
schestowitz	ZiggyFish1: how do you encode/build Flash?	Nov 17 02:44
schestowitz	I did some Flash back in 2001	Nov 17 02:44
schestowitz	The customer asked for it... I wouldn't otherwise touch the thing.	Nov 17 02:44
schestowitz	Red browser stats: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/15... Why do they even mention the AD-BASED garbage from "Net Applications"?	Nov 17 02:46
schestowitz	There are so many bogus stats out there, whose purpose it to promote someone marketing pitch.	Nov 17 02:46
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ZiggyFish1	the app was done by someone else	Nov 17 02:56
schestowitz	Oh, that's a problem/	Nov 17 02:57
schestowitz	You need the FLA file	Nov 17 02:57
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ZiggyFish1	only got the swf	Nov 17 03:06
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schestowitz	That may not be enough then.	Nov 17 03:18
schestowitz	Flash is junk. They sorted of 'opened up;, but it's still one company's technology	Nov 17 03:18
ZiggyFish1	brb	Nov 17 03:26
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schestowitz	Dear Google! Now I Know You Hate Linux Users < http://www.livecrunch.com/2008/11/16/dear-go... > "So when will google expand their market and start supporting Linux users as well?"	Nov 17 03:34
schestowitz	Good night	Nov 17 03:34
ZiggyFish	good night	Nov 17 03:35
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*shyam_k just returned home with anivar just escaping from cusat with good health!:)		Nov 17 04:22
shyam_k	those guys who volunteer for the party are brainless and totally instruments..who also locked up the IEEE kerala chair, amarnath Raja sir and Anil who is the government appointed officier for the internatiional conf about to come on dec second week, FOR THE CRIME Of going back at the exhibition hall enquiring about the mis handling done!!	Nov 17 04:24
shyam_k	they were locked up in a door for some minutes demanding "THEM!!" TO resolve the issue!!!	Nov 17 04:24
shyam_k	Novell officiers at the stall's very first response for the posters was to pull out their sponsor ship money! and may be that triggered the organizers to stand bye NOVELL! instead of trying to realize the issue	Nov 17 04:26
shyam_k	that means the organizers are not aware of what free software is..(Thats clear from the first stand of making novell as the prime sponsor)	Nov 17 04:27
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tessier	Wow, Roy got some slashdot lovin' today	Nov 17 06:42
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shyam_k`	did anyone commented on the previous messages and did they reach here?	Nov 17 06:57
shyam_k`	schestowitz: ?	Nov 17 06:57
twitter	Yes, I just noticed that. There are some nasty comments.	Nov 17 07:08
twitter	In fact most of the comments were flames against free software or BN.	Nov 17 07:09
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kentma	mornin'	Nov 17 07:30
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twitter	What a fuck, they posted the BN story an hour after Roy went to sleep. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?...	Nov 17 07:46
twitter	the trolls wasted no time linking to Byfield and other libel.	Nov 17 07:47
tessier	http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/take...	Nov 17 07:48
tessier	haha	Nov 17 07:48
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twitter	A good comment http://yro.slashdot.org/comments...	Nov 17 08:13
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twitter	The Novell trolls don't seem to be making much headway.	Nov 17 08:14
twitter	rip, haha	Nov 17 08:16
twitter	good night.	Nov 17 08:16
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schestowitz	C*p, I overslept	Nov 17 09:35
tessier	schestowitz: Better jump on /. :)	Nov 17 09:35
tessier	schestowitz: You're famous!	Nov 17 09:35
schestowitz	:-) The site was getting attention before. But now it's like 40,000 hits/hour. The site is still up.	Nov 17 09:38
tessier	nice	Nov 17 09:39
schestowitz	Digg effect is a lot bigger.	Nov 17 09:40
tessier	Really? I thought slashdot would be much bigger	Nov 17 09:42
schestowitz	No, a lot smaller, depending on the story though. Slashdot shrank.	Nov 17 09:44
tessier	Why did it shrink?	Nov 17 09:44
schestowitz	I'd guess it because they betrayed their readers.	Nov 17 09:44
tessier	How?	Nov 17 09:45
schestowitz	I'm still surprises Slahdot gives BN FPs	Nov 17 09:45
schestowitz	BN wrote some scarthing things about Slashdot and encourages people not to read /.	Nov 17 09:45
schestowitz	tessier: they serve the monopolist from the north west	Nov 17 09:45
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anivar	hey schestowitz	Nov 17 09:55
schestowitz	Hey, anivar.	Nov 17 09:57
schestowitz	I was asleep when you came to ask questioms.	Nov 17 09:57
anivar	schestowitz, Its fine	Nov 17 09:58
schestowitz	Thanks for staging disagreement with Novell or the sponsors.	Nov 17 09:58
schestowitz	I spoke to RMS.	Nov 17 09:58
anivar	No need for thanks. We all are hactivists r8 :-)	Nov 17 09:58
schestowitz	He considers ending the Microsoft sponsorships of FOSS conferences.	Nov 17 09:58
anivar	RMS mailed to me	Nov 17 09:59
schestowitz	Can you send me the file of the poster please? He wants to see it.	Nov 17 09:59
schestowitz	Oh, OK.	Nov 17 09:59
anivar	I already sent	Nov 17 09:59
schestowitz	Has Novell responded to this formally.	Nov 17 10:00
schestowitz	[other than its troopers commenting around the Web?]	Nov 17 10:00
anivar	Not yet	Nov 17 10:00
anivar	It is the party fellows defending the event organisors	Nov 17 10:00
kentma	\/. is about getting hits, so running BN stories from time to time will be good for them.	Nov 17 10:01
schestowitz	For Novell?	Nov 17 10:01
anivar	No. The people sending mails to FSUG Bangalore lists and people commenting on Various blog posts and Slashdot	Nov 17 10:02
anivar	It is available from below link	Nov 17 10:02
anivar	http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/f...	Nov 17 10:02
anivar	Statement From Swathanthra Malayalam computing	Nov 17 10:02
anivar	http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/SMC/St...	Nov 17 10:02
anivar	I mean Protest posters	Nov 17 10:02
MinceR	geekings	Nov 17 10:03
schestowitz	"After the evil agreement with Microsoft Corporation (MS), Novell betrayed the Free Software community by violating the spirit of the GNU General Public license, which is the corner stone of the Free Software movement and legitimising the patent threats of Microsoft corporation. "	Nov 17 10:03
schestowitz	"The protest against Novell have been in it's peak since the inception of the Boycott Novell campaign which has been successful in making awareness about the evil hands of Novell and it's ally MS. Novell was allotted a prominent position in the exhibition stall and they were allowed to place their posters at the prominent venues."	Nov 17 10:03
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kentma	schestowitz: the Indian chaps protesting at Cochin University was very interesting.	Nov 17 10:17
schestowitz	I didn't know about until after it had happened.	Nov 17 10:18
schestowitz	Windows zombies peaking: http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595... ( Net bombarded by heaviest ever attacks this year )	Nov 17 10:19
kentma	btw - anyone watch the star wars film last night - it was the heavily re-edited episode iv.	Nov 17 10:20
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schestowitz	I will never bet again - day 1 with GNOME < http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.11.15/i-... >	Nov 17 10:32
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zoobab	anivar is around?	Nov 17 10:52
schestowitz	No, but he mailed me a while ago	Nov 17 10:53
schestowitz	I got some more suggestions by mail. "Notice that it looks like those protesting are among the most active FOSS hackers in Kerala. It's not a random group. Also notice that pretty much all defense of MS or Novell or attacks against BoycottNovell.com consist of ad hominem fallacies, with an occational misdirection: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=103... "	Nov 17 10:53
schestowitz	There's libel there. I won't bother with it. It's what the /. mob always does.	Nov 17 10:54
schestowitz	Another suggestion is that "it also flags what's effective. Find what topics and posts are causing the most squawking and follow up on those topics with more details."	Nov 17 10:54
schestowitz	"Getting rid of mono from the core Ubuntu distro would be a boon. Steer people experimenting with mono back to java with its a higher performance, more mature technology and broader market. Hey if they want something different, then python, perl and ruby are there for many of the same tasks." GL link to anti-Mono stuff last night	Nov 17 10:55
kentma	I tend to agree that network-friendly technologies are the future anyway; the desktop viewpoint is very 1970s, and very very dated. Java is a step in the right direction, but how is it on licensing?	Nov 17 11:02
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schestowitz	Better than .NET, that's for sure.	Nov 17 11:08
kentma	true - at least it's reasonably x-platform, and there is at least one other desktop implementation (blackdowne?) as well as the Sun one.	Nov 17 11:11
benJIman	Sun java, well - openjdk, is GPLed with classpath exception.	Nov 17 11:13
benJIman	Then again, mono is even more liberally licensed.	Nov 17 11:13
schestowitz	Mono is not .NET	Nov 17 11:16
benJIman	It's a free implementation of parts of the .net framework.	Nov 17 11:17
schestowitz	Part of... second-class reactionary copycat... like Moonlight to Silverlight. That's what Microsoft wants Linux to be... cheap imitation that's always behind.	Nov 17 11:19
*benJIman couldn't care less.		Nov 17 11:19
schestowitz	Novell tips the GNU/Linux desktops (and server to an extent) in this direction.	Nov 17 11:20
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kentma	Microsoft claim that mono is rife with patent infringements, though.	Nov 17 11:39
kentma	That's no use to anyone.	Nov 17 11:40
schestowitz	It doesn't claim it this openly or doesn't phrase it like thisd.	Nov 17 11:51
schestowitz	Instead, the approach it takes is saying that Novell customers are protected for its use (what about the rest?)	Nov 17 11:51
zoobab	how is the licensing going on?	Nov 17 12:23
schestowitz	No response from that Microsoft senior.	Nov 17 12:25
schestowitz	Someone else sent a request.	Nov 17 12:25
schestowitz	No word yet.	Nov 17 12:25
schestowitz	In case Microsoft asserts something against Mono users/vendors, we can produce proof of Microsoft ignoring these mails.	Nov 17 12:25
zoobab	call him	Nov 17 12:26
zoobab	and record the phone call just in case	Nov 17 12:26
schestowitz	Someone said he would.	Nov 17 12:26
zoobab	send them a paper letter	Nov 17 12:26
schestowitz	I don't know how it went on...	Nov 17 12:26
zoobab	escalate	Nov 17 12:26
schestowitz	I doubt they'll reply	Nov 17 12:26
zoobab	when email does not work, use phone	Nov 17 12:26
schestowitz	It's like "Send a bug report"	Nov 17 12:26
schestowitz	They just play stats with these.	Nov 17 12:26
zoobab	and send a recommended letter	Nov 17 12:27
zoobab	I am going to send one to Microsoft Belgium	Nov 17 12:27
schestowitz	Please do	Nov 17 12:27
schestowitz	Keep records of this. It could prove handy later	Nov 17 12:27
schestowitz	http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/16/h... "This command will remove almost 60MB of crap from your hard drive and free you from eternal damnation and suffering. Well, OK. Perhaps it’s not quite that bad, but I personally have no wish to use software that is so tainted. Nor for that matter do I want to use code that is so tightly bound to a company that, amongst other things, manages t	Nov 17 12:28
schestowitz	o screw us all out of significant tax revenues."	Nov 17 12:28
schestowitz	http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds...	Nov 17 13:20
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schestowitz	Check out this profile: http://www.fsdaily.com/users/korvins/votes This guy does almost nothing but bury links to BN.	Nov 17 14:01
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schestowitz	Some imposer jerk is leaving comments under my name to aggravate. I've had to talk to admins to have the fakers flagged. :-\|	Nov 17 14:21
twitter	The Slashdot story was a well planned hit job but it looks like the community is responding well, which is amazing when you consider the gaming that's gone on.	Nov 17 14:50
twitter	They dropped it onto the front page right after you signed off here, then nested it with flamebait and libel.	Nov 17 14:51
schestowitz	Yes, I saw that.	Nov 17 14:53
schestowitz	People from USENET were there too. The usual Munckins. You can tell from the wording...	Nov 17 14:54
schestowitz	I have a large number of posts you'll like because it's about massive Microsoft failures.	Nov 17 14:54
twitter	I've seen some of that on BN in the last few days. The stuff about layoff in 2006 was interesting.	Nov 17 14:58
twitter	hmmm, someone dropped a link to the protester's own statement. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si...	Nov 17 14:58
twitter	that's something that should be tacked on to the story itself as an update.	Nov 17 14:59
schestowitz	I'll do it with the followup. Posted 1 min ago.	Nov 17 15:02
schestowitz	Addd at the bottom: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1...	Nov 17 15:03
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schestowitz	Reading for Mrs. twitter: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/1...	Nov 17 15:20
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twitter	Thanks.	Nov 17 15:38
twitter	According to the SMC statement, only Novell and the event organizers knew about Novell's sponsorship until the conference.	Nov 17 15:40
twitter	You have to wonder how in depth their planning was and if it included the recent spam attack on BN as well as the suspicious /. story timing.	Nov 17 15:41
schestowitz	See my comment from a minute ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/17/so...	Nov 17 15:44
schestowitz	I don't know if they got removed as a reader claims.	Nov 17 15:44
twitter	Good to link the xbox comment to the hotmail one. M$ frequently abuses its technical position to censor. Hotmail has also censored Truthout for political purposes.	Nov 17 15:45
schestowitz	Yes, the press missed the precendence. One a thief.. always a thief. Once a censor...	Nov 17 15:50
twitter	M$FT is less than $20 all day http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT	Nov 17 15:58
schestowitz	At this page, BN will do 1 million hits in one day alone.	Nov 17 15:59
schestowitz	I don't understand how the server copes, but I do get many error pages at times.	Nov 17 15:59
schestowitz	The server used to collapse under similar strains.	Nov 17 16:00
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schestowitz	SJVN isn't quote so gentle on Sun: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sun_d...	Nov 17 17:05
schestowitz	neighborlee: have you heard back from Microsoft? Did you phone them?	Nov 17 17:06
neighborlee	schestowitz, no email, and I never called.	Nov 17 17:15
schestowitz	zoobab mentioned this. It's a local call in the US. But don't feel obliged though... I doubt they'll answer.	Nov 17 17:16
schestowitz	Micvrosoft just files away.. it doesn't even know what patents exist out there and which ones it has.	Nov 17 17:17
schestowitz	"Privacy breaches are shaping as the new pandemic infecting business stability, reports Conrad Walters." < http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech... >	Nov 17 17:24
schestowitz	People still refuse to see what's wrong with Silverlight. This is just amazing. Novell should join the rest and complain about the attack on the standards-based Web, as opposed to supporting this attack.	Nov 17 17:53
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schestowitz	Yuck. "OpenMoko is known amongst .NET developers as being the first phone to support the Mono runtime." < http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/11/OpenMoko-MPEG > Miguel seemed to make a similar move to do the same to Android. a Microsoft 'buddy' tried doing the same to LiMo.	Nov 17 18:03
trmanco	openmoko has mono?	Nov 17 18:08
schestowitz	OpenMono. No, but it's open, so there's nothing preventing Mono enthusiasts from turning this into Winnux Mobile.	Nov 17 18:12
trmanco	better buy one before Mono gets its dirty hand on it	Nov 17 18:14
trmanco	hands*	Nov 17 18:14
schestowitz	I think they join with Android.	Nov 17 18:16
schestowitz	I saw one reports about it, but it was sub-only to read.	Nov 17 18:16
trmanco	hmm	Nov 17 18:17
schestowitz	Could be worse.. http://www.fanaticattack.com/200...	Nov 17 18:19
schestowitz	Just come across it. That's the danger of a depression/recession.	Nov 17 18:19
schestowitz	http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/artic... (Depression 2009: What would it look like?) http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/11/what-would-dep...	Nov 17 18:24
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schestowitz	The Gartner Shill is baiting the world with attrative headline and a mouthful of poison: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/bl... (again)	Nov 17 18:26
schestowitz	Hey, halberd	Nov 17 18:27
halberd	hello schestowitz are you a bot	Nov 17 18:27
schestowitz	No, I think not.	Nov 17 18:28
halberd	have you read the slashdot article about you guys	Nov 17 18:28
schestowitz	The article is short. I saw the summary, then the libel too.	Nov 17 18:29
schestowitz	OT: Another big barrier to 64-bit removes: Adobe pinballs 64-bit Flash Player 10 alpha into Linux orbit < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/17/a... >	Nov 17 18:29
halberd	so what's your biggest single disagreement with novell	Nov 17 18:29
schestowitz	I can't think of just one.	Nov 17 18:32
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kentma	The Novell issues probably began with the "vouchers", I think.	Nov 17 18:35
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schestowitz	I was not sure if it's a bait question.	Nov 17 18:39
schestowitz	The Register and ITWire are trying to provoke GNU/Linux users today: http://www.itwire.com/content...	Nov 17 18:42
schestowitz	Lutz Heilmann and the Soviet Internet < http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-105... >	Nov 17 18:46
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halberd	what's wrong with the vouchers?	Nov 17 18:52
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schestowitz	The vouchers represent the passing of patent liability to customer. You know what Microsoft calls these vouchers? "Patent royalties".	Nov 17 18:56
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3094 "Windows advocates will argue that the netbook form factor was inevitable. They will point to growing support for the form factor within Microsoft itself. They will call Linux alternatives el-cheapos, even spin all this as a threat to Linux."	Nov 17 19:00
schestowitz	I didn't know there was something like a "Windows advocate". It's called shills, evangelists or employees.	Nov 17 19:01
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schestowitz	Spam Drop Could Boost Trojan Attacks < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15399... > "	Nov 17 19:16
schestowitz	ISPs disagree on the global percentage drop caused by the shuttering of California-based McColo last week, with estimates given by those contacted by Techworld ranging from 50 to 80 percent, but even the lower figure is still an unprecedented fall in such a short space of time."	Nov 17 19:16
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schestowitz	Mark Cuban crime: Mark Cuban Charged With Insider Trading < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081... >. Microsoft executives were caught doing the same thing.	Nov 17 19:20
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schestowitz	Speaking of MS tax evasion: Ottawa widens tax probe of eBay 'PowerSellers' < http://www.reportonbusiness.com/serv... >	Nov 17 19:23
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schestowitz	Mary Jo Foley just linked to BN. :-) It's not Linux related, but be careful of a 'Microsoft study' the pollutes the Web: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/16/f...	Nov 17 19:27
schestowitz	Kool-Aid magazine ->> very unreliable and fanboyish ->> http://mcpmag.com/features/article.asp...	Nov 17 19:41
_doug	re: "The extremely vocal desktop Linux tinority"	Nov 17 19:47
_doug	This is just iTWire trying to rustle up some hits .. sad really ..	Nov 17 19:47
_doug	comes from the JS school of techno-blogging ..	Nov 17 19:48
_doug	"when I tried to open MS Office spreadsheets and Powerpoint presentations, or even complex Word documents with embedded spreadsheets and presentations, emailed to me from business associates"	Nov 17 19:48
schestowitz	Yes, they admit this.	Nov 17 19:49
schestowitz	They do a royal rumble type of thing. Same with John Dvorak.	Nov 17 19:49
_doug	Does anyone here even know anyone who uses embedded PP and spreadsheet word docs .. that actually work as intended ..	Nov 17 19:49
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schestowitz	Sounds like a job for a frameset in Google Apps or something.	Nov 17 19:58

Comments

G. Michaels

2008-11-18 18:56:08

"hmmm, someone dropped a link to the protester’s own statement."

Probably better worded as "I did that", considering "Erris" is one of your 14 sockpuppets on Slashdot:

http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377

It's hard to keep you honest, isn't it?

Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

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