IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Xmas Eve (2008)

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-12-25 09:27:42 UTC
Modified: 2008-12-28 10:23:20 UTC

schestowitz	No luv for KDE4 :-( http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/checki...	Dec 24 00:02
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Tallken	schestowitz: kde4? he was mostly bashing Mandriva	Dec 24 00:20
Tallken	though he should've known sda5 is a logical partition	Dec 24 00:20
schestowitz	kde4 is blamed at the end.	Dec 24 00:21
schestowitz	I think he's quite new to Linux (he was here in IRC on Sunday, I think), so partitioning might be confusing.	Dec 24 00:22
Tallken	he has a Gentoo install....	Dec 24 00:23
Tallken	but ok I suppose it could be possibl	Dec 24 00:23
Tallken	followed the handbook	Dec 24 00:23
Tallken	and it's still learning those details	Dec 24 00:23
schestowitz	I think he tried Gentoo last week or a fortnight ago. I don't know him, but we spoke on IRC here.	Dec 24 00:25
Tallken	well, if he uses Gentoo he must be a cool guy xD	Dec 24 00:27
Tallken	well, on my way to bed, cya! []	Dec 24 00:27
schestowitz	I'll stick around. It's only 1AM	Dec 24 00:28
Tallken	yesterday went to bed at 4AM	Dec 24 00:42
Tallken	the day before at 2AM	Dec 24 00:42
Tallken	so, i better start having a decent bed time :p	Dec 24 00:42
Tallken	cya	Dec 24 00:42
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MinceR	gn	Dec 24 01:55
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dsmith_	hello	Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_	http://www.itwire.com/content/vie...	Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_	not sure if anyone has seen this	Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_	interesting to say	Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_	remove mono, you remove evolution which never happened before. Not that I use evolution, but still	Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_	http://www.theregister.co.uk/200...	Dec 24 05:27
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schestowitz	Incentives Align To Create Bubbles < http://techdirt.com/article... >	Dec 24 08:37
schestowitz	Stampede for 'Bush shoe' creates 100 new jobs < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/turk... > "Their deployment as a makeshift missile robbed President George Bush of his dignity and landed their owner in jail. But the world's most notorious pair of shoes have yielded an unexpected bonanza for a Turkish shoemaker."	Dec 24 08:38
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/brazil-... "Twenty years after the killing of Chico Mendes, one of the world's most prominent rainforest defenders, hundreds of human rights and environmental activists still face the threat of assassination in Brazil, a new study claims."	Dec 24 08:41
schestowitz	Psystar Denies It Conspired Against Apple < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155985/psystar_... > Some think it's related to MS	Dec 24 08:47
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iVDPxVy7h38	Dec 24 09:27
schestowitz	"THE New York Times has been sued by the parent company of the Boston Globe, which claims that the outfit has been using online material without permission." < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/15... >	Dec 24 10:37
schestowitz	WTF is this??/ http://www.mixx.com/users/damonwildercarr	Dec 24 10:42
schestowitz	Seems like there are Microsoft booster in Mixx: http://www.mixx.com/stories/3191325/advanced_b...	Dec 24 10:42
schestowitz	"Hardly matching the poetic gravitas of the four equestrians, but cringe-worthy all the same: the second most purchased ring tone sold by a popular cell phone service in Croatia is called “Superfart”." < http://radian.org/notebook/2008-12-11 >	Dec 24 10:51
schestowitz	Madoff investor found dead of possible suicide: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid... Madoff should do the same to do himself justice.	Dec 24 10:58
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...	Dec 24 11:02
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locutu5	hi all	Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz	Hey, locutu5.	Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz	Shane?	Dec 24 11:03
locutu5	hows things	Dec 24 11:03
locutu5	yes	Dec 24 11:03
locutu5	me	Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz	Cool.	Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz	All well, thank you.	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	my normal moniker was taken	Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz	They stole the reputation :-)	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	whats with this epic troll junk?	Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	blogbeebe	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	tuxmachines has a link	Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz	He doesn't like us because of things we said in GL	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	I guessed that :)	Dec 24 11:04
locutu5	makes him look bad imho	Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz	Oh, I see now... http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/	Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz	He supported SCO/Microsoft/MOG spying on PJ	Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz	So I talked about this, dropped his feed and then he lost it.	Dec 24 11:05
locutu5	hmmm	Dec 24 11:05
locutu5	lol	Dec 24 11:05
locutu5	whats the time at your end?	Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz	11am	Dec 24 11:06
locutu5	3 1/2 hours difference	Dec 24 11:06
locutu5	you working?	Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz	1/2??	Dec 24 11:06
locutu5	13:17 here	Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz	No, I hardly work. I'm going to do reading today before dinner.	Dec 24 11:07
locutu5	lucky you	Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz	I like learning stuff. I think of the Ph.D. only as a pedigree thing (I dragged mine on voluntarily, because I can, having finished practical work in 2005/6). There is not much hope over the horizon unless the system is reformed, so I gravitated towards that. It's fun, it's important.	Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz	Some people still think money, money, money. it's hardmful.	Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz	*harmful	Dec 24 11:08
locutu5	all I wish for is a comfortable life	Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz	Are you around Istanbul?	Dec 24 11:08
locutu5	and as much computer goodies I can get my hands on	Dec 24 11:08
locutu5	I am in ankara	Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz	I was in Lykia (Turkey) in 1999	Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz	One of my best vacations ever.	Dec 24 11:08
locutu5	Real Turkish people are very nice	Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz	Better than rainy vacations in 'richer' places	Dec 24 11:09
locutu5	yea	Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz	Yes, I knew a few back then. We got along very well.	Dec 24 11:09
locutu5	they are good at sniffing opportunities though	Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz	Over here, they are portrayed badly along with the "Muslin" stigma	Dec 24 11:09
locutu5	I know	Dec 24 11:10
locutu5	sad cause they are no different to you and me	Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz	Some people go by the media	Dec 24 11:10
locutu5	as in a bad apple spoils the barrel	Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz	Nothing better for uniting people amid misery than to blame "them" (Russia\|China\|Muslims)	Dec 24 11:10
locutu5	visa versa here :)	Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz	How long have you been there?	Dec 24 11:12
locutu5	In general I have found them to be no more and no less religious than back home in austral lia	Dec 24 11:12
locutu5	been here 11 years	Dec 24 11:12
schestowitz	Religion is perceived as bad as long as it's a particular religion.	Dec 24 11:12
locutu5	true. at the core they all teach the same thing	Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz	As in, Mosque=radical; xmas=holy.	Dec 24 11:13
locutu5	love thy neighbour etc.etc	Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz	How's Pardus doing over there?	Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz	I heard the military deploys it.	Dec 24 11:13
locutu5	quite good	Dec 24 11:13
locutu5	them and the government	Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz	5000+ machines last year	Dec 24 11:13
locutu5	I don't use it myself. too newbie	Dec 24 11:14
schestowitz	If they carry on, the special forces will have to come in and 'liberate' them with BillG	Dec 24 11:14
locutu5	lol	Dec 24 11:14
locutu5	just get him to shake his tush	Dec 24 11:14
locutu5	well must get back to work	Dec 24 11:15
locutu5	nice chatting with you	Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz	You too.	Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz	Thanks for the headsup	Dec 24 11:15
locutu5	did you know my personal site? www.locutus.us	Dec 24 11:15
locutu5	your welcome	Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz	I read it too	Dec 24 11:15
locutu5	:) thanks	Dec 24 11:16
locutu5	bye now	Dec 24 11:16
schestowitz	Cya	Dec 24 11:16
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trmanco	who is using a 64-bit OS?	Dec 24 11:30
trmanco	anyone here?	Dec 24 11:30
trmanco	they could save $180 if they install Linux -> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,...	Dec 24 11:32
schestowitz	Many servers run 64-bit... they need the RAM.	Dec 24 11:35
schestowitz	The same goes for computing in the high-end production level (mostly GNU/Linux in studios)	Dec 24 11:35
MinceR	hay	Dec 24 12:04
schestowitz	http://beranger.org/index.php?page=di... "Less than 5% of the daily visits are from regular readers. Most of the time, people come here from an older forum post somewhere, or from a Google search. Because of my political opinions and strong criticism of everything, I've lost some constant readers in the past."	Dec 24 12:05
schestowitz	Oh no!!!!!!!! http://technocrat.net/	Dec 24 12:06
schestowitz	"The technocrat.net public discussion site is shut down. This has happened because the site never achieved the ability to financially sustain its editorial staff and system expenses with its revenues."	Dec 24 12:06
schestowitz	http://technocrat.net/d/... "404 - Not Found"	Dec 24 12:07
schestowitz	Arghhh!!!!!!!!! Lots of broken links now.	Dec 24 12:07
schestowitz	"At the end I faced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I'd feel better if it would just die."	Dec 24 12:08
schestowitz	So all my stories, comments, links, etc. are just down the s*tter.	Dec 24 12:08
schestowitz	Oh yeah... trust "the cloud"	Dec 24 12:09
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schestowitz	"Foxconn to lay off 100,000 employees as its export business declined substantially." < http://www.evertiq.com/news... >	Dec 24 12:14
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn " Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod and the iPhone for Apple Computer; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer retailers Dell, Inc. and Hewlett Packard; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, and Amazon Kindle. "	Dec 24 12:16
schestowitz	US economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223/... >	Dec 24 12:17
duglambier	Hi ! Do you know whan SLED 11 will be released ? I am from France, and I would like to convince ou council to make a smooth switch from MS environment to Open Source environment, with migration from MS Office to OpenOffice first, then Exchange/Outlook to Groupwise, and then Linux	Dec 24 12:18
schestowitz	Have you considered Mandriva yet?	Dec 24 12:18
schestowitz	:-) Beranger: "I am more concerned with other aspects of the “net generation”: the lack of ethics. The kids from the “net generation” have a unique goal: to make money. Period. They have zero solidarity, zero compassion, zero social understanding, zero ethics. They just want to be Donald Trump or Bill Gates."	Dec 24 12:20
schestowitz	"They're born capitalists, but they are too individualists to understand the macroeconomics and the implications of their greed, therefore they'll probably become the grave diggers of the civilized world. Older generations — those responsible for the current crisis — weren't able to understand how they're screwing the whole world, so how could be the “net generation” any better?"	Dec 24 12:20
duglambier	In fact, Mandriva is well translated, but the company behind seems to be at the verge to collapse. Moreover, I don't know which software supported by Mandriva will replace Exchange. We need to be reliable since this is the public sector. As the project will take time, we need also a distribution than can be flexible enough to be in a mixed environment (Linux/Windows). My idea will be to replace Novell after 2014	Dec 24 12:23
schestowitz	Novell is not close to collapse?	Dec 24 12:23
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schestowitz	As for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now... Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... >	Dec 24 12:24
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schestowitz	Hey	Dec 24 12:24
schestowitz	As for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now... Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/... >	Dec 24 12:24
schestowitz	Don't look at Linux as a product like SLED.	Dec 24 12:25
duglambier	ok	Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz	If anything is at risk, it's software that's maintained by one company, such as Windows.	Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz	(or Netware)	Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz	Just sent to Perens: "I have so many links to your content at the good site, Technocrat. Is there any way you can at least keep existing content live? Please??"	Dec 24 12:43
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schestowitz	Adam is still promoting Mandriva. A job so good is one a person would do even for no pay. I hope he'll continue this next year.	Dec 24 12:47
schestowitz	Some people still don't know that Evolution is simply a Novell product. It's also helping Microsoft and Mono (.NET).	Dec 24 13:00
trmanco	he could just buy some support from Canonical	Dec 24 13:10
trmanco	and install Ubuntu	Dec 24 13:10
schestowitz	Instead of Microsoft Linux?? Microsoft is a known brand. :-)	Dec 24 13:13
trmanco	yes	Dec 24 13:18
schestowitz	A reader has just 'advised' me on "upgrading BN .."	Dec 24 13:21
schestowitz	"You should drop the name, start a new site and allow a select few post articles, and a subscription only comment section. How about a Wiki type service .." I told him what I said before. It's complicated. Google indexing mostly, and links... I never liked the site's name. It's almost embarrassing.	Dec 24 13:21
schestowitz	What I Will do, howveer is what he suggested: "Expand the remit to 'Intellectual Property', the mangling of 'standards' and the corruption of the press and so on ..."	Dec 24 13:22
schestowitz	Another doctoral person encouraged me to carry on with this. "One of my role models was the late* Irwin Feerst *who died fighting this corporate greed in 1990."	Dec 24 13:23
schestowitz	An hour ago I got an E-mail from the head of the Computer Science department, who wants to meet me. :-)	Dec 24 13:23
schestowitz	http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?ur... *Reviving democracy at the IEEE," Dwon, L.	Dec 24 13:24
schestowitz	Technology and Society Magazine/, IEEE Volume 11, Issue 2, Summer 1992 Page(s):10 - 17; Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/44.141669	Dec 24 13:24
schestowitz	"Summary:It is argued that since 1963, when the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (AIEE) and the Institute of Radio Engineers (IRE) merged to form the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), autocracy within the organization has increased. Autocratic and bureaucratic characteristics became more pronounced after 1972 when the IEEE-USA Professional Activities Program (PAP) was established."	Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz	"The ways in which single-candidate ballots, approval voting, the IEEE Assembly, and communication control contribute to a situation in which volunteers who perform professionally, but contrary to the establishment's wishes, are ignored, censored, fired, or ostracized are discussed. The consequences of what transpired in the IEEE since 1963 and recommendations of actions to overturn the deeply rooted selected entrenched hierarchy a	Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz	re outlined."	Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz	(Unless one is a IEEE member, this 8 page document costs $29.00) From the IEEE website search, this additional excerpt is provided, "Mr. Irwin Feerst died in. 1990. To. some members, he was a ray of hope that. some day PAP might be controlled by owner-. members not SEH. ...	Dec 24 13:26
trmanco	:)	Dec 24 13:27
schestowitz	"The Hidden Dynamics of the Great American Scientific Enterprise.. 10 Findings from an Irreverent, Exhaustive Exploration of the Scandalous, the Outrageous, the Ridiculous, the Wasteful, and, Yes, Much Good, in Scientific Research"	Dec 24 13:27
schestowitz	by Daniel S. Greenberg, author of /Science, Money, and Politics: Political Triumph and Ethical Erosion	Dec 24 13:27
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schestowitz	It all comes together now now that science is collapsing under a bubble. I was in Arlington in 2006 to present my work at an IEEE conference. It's a nice place, but conferences will never be the same. Many are canceled.	Dec 24 13:28
schestowitz	I also got this, which is truthful: ""But doesn't the U.S. face a serious shortage of scientists and engineers?* The alarmists of scientific decline and neglect have been proclaiming that danger for 40 years. The truth, however, is that Ph.D.'s are in oversupply in many fields, unable to find jobs suitable to their training. In the biomedical sciences, Ph.D. production far exceeds job openings.""	Dec 24 13:29
schestowitz	"One result is the growing practice of serial post-doctoral appointments€a low-wage "holding pattern" for surplus Ph.D.'s. For sound economic reasons, increasing numbers of American students are shunning scientific training and the questionable opportunity to serve as scientific stoop labor for grant-laden professors."	Dec 24 13:29
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trmanco	schestowitz, how can I convert swf to ogg?	Dec 24 13:56
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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 24 14:00
trmanco	Hi	Dec 24 14:04
schestowitz	Hey.	Dec 24 14:05
schestowitz	trmanco: do you have the FLA?	Dec 24 14:05
trmanco	nop	Dec 24 14:05
schestowitz	Can you make it?	Dec 24 14:05
MinceR	Front Line Assembly?	Dec 24 14:06
schestowitz	SWF is proprietary junk, like FLA	Dec 24 14:06
MinceR	oh, that FLA	Dec 24 14:06
schestowitz	:-)	Dec 24 14:06
trmanco	oh well	Dec 24 14:06
trmanco	http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253	Dec 24 14:06
trmanco	I just wanted to post an ogg on my blog	Dec 24 14:06
trmanco	with this swf	Dec 24 14:07
schestowitz	Get the flv of the video	Dec 24 14:08
schestowitz	You can't covert binary mesh of objects and stuff (Flash blobs) to a stream of just video.	Dec 24 14:08
schestowitz	"Certain elements of the community that developed here, unfortunately, creep me out" 00 Bruce Perens	Dec 24 14:10
schestowitz	"That's a great pity, that's two down," someone tells me. "Recalling what happened elsewhere, I don't know if I want to attract the attention. Also, there are so many blogs out there it's hard to get hits. And all I got for my previous efforts was abuse and ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT from the so-called Linux enthusiasts."	Dec 24 14:11
schestowitz	Ffaced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I'd feel better if it would just die." -- Bruce Perens	Dec 24 14:11
schestowitz	LOL ""slashdot is a steaming pile of inane comments, mod trolling and propaganda for CORPOR~1""	Dec 24 14:11
MinceR	some of the inane comments are still worth it sometimes :)	Dec 24 14:12
schestowitz	Got an example?	Dec 24 14:20
MinceR	http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid...	Dec 24 14:24
MinceR	http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si...	Dec 24 14:24
MinceR	http://it.slashdot.org/comments...	Dec 24 14:24
schestowitz	http://blogs.sun.com/javafx/entry/...	Dec 24 14:26
MinceR	lol, they say they love linux	Dec 24 14:27
MinceR	yes, i can see how much sun loves linux	Dec 24 14:27
schestowitz	Funny (/.)	Dec 24 14:28
MinceR	and they're actively working on it! (just like epic is actively working on ut3, right?)	Dec 24 14:28
schestowitz	I was among those complaining (in Digg's front page)	Dec 24 14:29
MinceR	http://xkcd.com/521/	Dec 24 14:29
schestowitz	ut3 is the next Duke Nuken Forever.	Dec 24 14:29
MinceR	i suspect DNF will run on linux natively before ut3 will	Dec 24 14:29
schestowitz	I bet many games bite the dust now	Dec 24 14:31
schestowitz	Studios are falling down.	Dec 24 14:31
schestowitz	"Wow, I didn't even know Linux and Solaris had a GUI !"	Dec 24 14:32
schestowitz	"Plain old lies! Posted by whoa on December 05, 2008 at 03:30 AM PST "	Dec 24 14:33
schestowitz	Oops. Duken [sic] typo in their blog	Dec 24 14:34
Omar87	schestowitz: I need your consultation in something.	Dec 24 14:52
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schestowitz	I'm glad you come here to ask. :-	Dec 24 14:55
Omar87	schestowitz: :-)	Dec 24 14:57
Omar87	schestowitz: There's an ancient game that was release in 1986 for Comodore 64 and ZXSpectrum and the AmtradCPC platforms.	Dec 24 15:00
Omar87	It's called "The Trap Door".	Dec 24 15:00
Omar87	Now, I'm planning to resurrect this game using Python and Pygame, and placing it under GPLv3.	Dec 24 15:02
Omar87	So, the question is, do you think I might get sued over that?	Dec 24 15:02
schestowitz	Some game makers harass copycats.	Dec 24 15:04
schestowitz	Risk versus a Google Maps copycat	Dec 24 15:04
schestowitz	Scrabble versus that Facebook app, IIRC..	Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz	Guitar Hero	Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz	There are other examples I can think of, even Solitaire.	Dec 24 15:05
Omar87	mhmm.	Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz	The first and second examples evoked C&D... the latter: lawsuits.	Dec 24 15:06
Omar87	But, as far as I know, I might very well, be the only one in the world think of reviving this game, lol. :)	Dec 24 15:06
Omar87	thinking*	Dec 24 15:06
schestowitz	These days, passing the ball to the nearest player in socccer is a patented idea too (Konami, I think)	Dec 24 15:06
schestowitz	Let me get you more links.	Dec 24 15:07
Omar87	Oh man...	Dec 24 15:07
Omar87	Patents are evil.	Dec 24 15:07
Omar87	brb.	Dec 24 15:07
schestowitz	http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/...	Dec 24 15:08
schestowitz	http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-gam...	Dec 24 15:08
Omar87	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_Door_(g...	Dec 24 15:10
Omar87	Here is the game I was talking about.	Dec 24 15:10
Omar87	Thanks.	Dec 24 15:10
schestowitz	I've just had this really annoying discussion in LXer	Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz	People are tamed to respect Intel, so for me to call them "criminal" requires some evidence. So I did that.	Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz	Despite the likes of Intel controlling the press, alternative media has some info that's factual.	Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz	It came about because of the appointment of Cox, but.. it's not about employees!! It's about the management of this crooked operation.	Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz	As Carla put it at the time in http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l...	Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz	"FOSS keeps people honest. That’s the #1 reason there is such strong, well-funded opposition to it. Honesty is Kryptonite to anyone who makes their living peddling lies. The big lie that gets my goat every time is these big tech companies that continually boast of their innovation. All they innovate are stagnation and barriers to innovation"	Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz	“The poster child for this is the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child). Whatever you may think of OLPC itself, it spawned the netbook revolution. All those titans of industry have had the resources since forever to invent the netbook on their own. They all badmouthed and undermined OLPC. Now they can’t crank out their own OLPC ripoffs fast enough."	Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz	http://tinyurl.com/5vfvjs < “EX-INTEL ENGINEER CHARGED IN FRAUD ” >	Dec 24 15:14
schestowitz	That 1999 settlement: FTC chief has antitrust plate full. < http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2... > < http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... >	Dec 24 15:14
schestowitz	“In that suit, Intel has denied Intergraph’s accusations of fraud, theft of trade secrets and anticompetitive conduct.” < http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?... >	Dec 24 15:15
schestowitz	”Intel eliminates salary allowances to stop fraud […] The Times of India had reported in September last year that the company was conducting a serious investigation into malpractices related to allowance claims, resulting in the exit of several hundred employees.” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...	Dec 24 15:15
schestowitz	Securities fraud (I know there was a recent 1-billion-dollar suit for their bribes with Dell) < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/... >; Lenovo got financial help from Intel, claim < http://www.theinquirer.net/default.... >; Negroponte says Intel should be “ashamed of itself” < http://www.t	Dec 24 15:16
schestowitz	heinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39733 >	Dec 24 15:16
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/default.as... http://charbax.com/2008/01/0... Intel an "open source fraud": < http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/0... > < http://kerneltrap.org/node/7184 >	Dec 24 15:17
schestowitz	Former Intel employee admits to computer fraud < http://news.cnet.com/Former-Intel-em... >	Dec 24 15:18
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schestowitz	Novell just had a MASSIVE loss.	Dec 24 15:46
trmanco	$3.52	Dec 24 15:47
schestowitz	http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualizatio...	Dec 24 15:47
schestowitz	He's OTU	Dec 24 15:47
trmanco	Novell shares fell from $6.46 to $3.54 just this year	Dec 24 15:53
schestowitz	It was close to $8 at one point, targets set this year to $7.5	Dec 24 15:55
schestowitz	But the problem is central. It's like a pyramid scheme deep inside Wall Street (another apparent suicide reported yesterday.. of the second-richest lady). They broke the system.	Dec 24 15:57
trmanco	well, looks lie USA is up to face another stock crash	Dec 24 16:00
schestowitz	yesterday's news: US economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223... >	Dec 24 16:01
schestowitz	Then comes tor looting, AKA "bailout". Let me find a Nader video for you.	Dec 24 16:01
schestowitz	Got it. Watch this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v...	Dec 24 16:01
*trmanco watches		Dec 24 16:02
neighborlee	schestowitz, no great surprise..many are very angry over the banking bailout and no accoutability whatsoever	Dec 24 16:05
schestowitz	They should say "no" to bailout... and hunger to death...	Dec 24 16:05
schestowitz	/sracasm	Dec 24 16:06
neighborlee	:)	Dec 24 16:06
schestowitz	The decision was made alone by the 'elites'......... "we were greedy... we need to save ourselves"	Dec 24 16:06
schestowitz	Look at Microsoft cooking the books to meet investor's expectations (an insider blew the whistle on them).	Dec 24 16:07
MinceR	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php...	Dec 24 16:17
MinceR	finally kwin isn't the only wm that can work both with and without compositing	Dec 24 16:17
trmanco	December 2008 Web Server Survey: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/200...	Dec 24 16:28
trmanco	apache shines again	Dec 24 16:28
trmanco	"Apache shows the largest growth this month, gaining a further 2.47 million sites."	Dec 24 16:29
schestowitz	Myths-filled IDG rubbish: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/infoworld/...	Dec 24 16:31
schestowitz	"The more technically inclined may be attracted to Linux [...] user interfaces that require active participation to get work done[..] "	Dec 24 16:32
trmanco	Fuzzing TraceMonkey: http://www.squarefree.com/2008/1...	Dec 24 16:32
schestowitz	Did they check, or did their grandmother ship (Redmond) tell them this through Enderle and the grape vine ($$$)?	Dec 24 16:32
trmanco	limited hardware compatibility?	Dec 24 16:33
schestowitz	That's the 'consensus' in IDG	Dec 24 16:35
Omar87	schestowitz: I'm starting to regret the moment I decided to join the IEEE.	Dec 24 16:35
schestowitz	IDC@home$ own money Microsoft	Dec 24 16:35
schestowitz	IEEE... did you see my earlier remarks about it?	Dec 24 16:36
schestowitz	http://www.freelists.org/post/gnulab-mesce/...	Dec 24 16:36
Omar87	schestowitz: Please enlighten me.	Dec 24 16:36
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schestowitz	Omar87: I think you were absent when I wrote this (today in the morning)	Dec 24 16:36
MinceR	is 'limited hardware compatibility' like the way winxp handles sata? :>	Dec 24 16:37
schestowitz	It was half an hour before you came.	Dec 24 16:37
schestowitz	Here's the text. http://pastebin.com/m410303c5	Dec 24 16:38
trmanco	MinceR, I would just like to see hardware without those installation cds they come with	Dec 24 16:39
trmanco	and like this we can compare compatibility between that 4 GB Vista mess and for example a 700 MB Ubuntu	Dec 24 16:40
Omar87	schestowitz: That would be great.	Dec 24 16:41
Omar87	Plus, changing the name of the site would be great too, if possible.	Dec 24 16:42
Omar87	Make it more generic that Boycotting Novell.	Dec 24 16:42
Omar87	than*	Dec 24 16:42
Omar87	Because ya know, Novell isn't the only threat to FOSS.	Dec 24 16:42
Omar87	By the way, looking at the IRC logs, what obondoo had said was true.	Dec 24 16:47
schestowitz	Omar87: someone wrote today to say "From my scratching with Wikipedia, you just create a new article and the system indexes it for you. I'm sure there are loads of scripts out there. Or even an OSS content management system. Your 'stuff' is getting lost in the noise ..." it's more complex than that.	Dec 24 16:47
Omar87	It doesn't really need to be a wiki, in my opinion.	Dec 24 16:50
MinceR	trmanco: :)	Dec 24 16:54
schestowitz	But Vista has nice wallpapers. :-)	Dec 24 16:55
schestowitz	And some broken binaries 'around' them	Dec 24 16:55
trmanco	http://i40.tinypic.com/xkneae.jpeg	Dec 24 16:56
MinceR	lol	Dec 24 17:02
schestowitz	http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wi...	Dec 24 17:41
schestowitz	Pretty (IMAGES): http://www.tux-planet.fr/25-best-linux-...	Dec 24 17:54
neighborlee	man some of those would drive me insane LOL... I prefer a nice tidy clean desktop ;)	Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz	I knocked awn and superkrama out of mine after a while... it added little but visual clutter.	Dec 24 18:02
schestowitz	It's good for Mac artists who might refuse to change apps using keyboard shortcuts that take the user to different desktop around the sphere.	Dec 24 18:03
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... "Music, DVD and game retailer Zavvi UK called in administrators this morning, confirming itself as the latest high street name seriously threatened by the slide into recession."	Dec 24 18:31
trmanco	.Niy	Dec 24 19:03
trmanco	.Nit*	Dec 24 19:03
trmanco	LOL	Dec 24 19:03
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seller_liar	Hey roy	Dec 24 19:08
seller_liar	I was thinking	Dec 24 19:08
seller_liar	is very easy to port linux .net apps for other platforms	Dec 24 19:08
schestowitz	It is.	Dec 24 19:09
schestowitz	A feature for Mcirosoft	Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar	For example , there are some screenshots about banshee running in macos	Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar	This gives technical advantage for microsoft	Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar	of course, there are some platform differences	Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar	but it's is very easy to fix	Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar	Like eclipse for example	Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar	eclipse is a java app	Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar	it's portable	Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar	but there are some diffrences	Dec 24 19:10
schestowitz	Java is not .NET	Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar	but is very easy to port eclipse for windows , linux and mac	Dec 24 19:11
schestowitz	I.e. it's not Microsoft	Dec 24 19:11
schestowitz	He who controls the API...	Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar	I know ,	Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar	Mono does the same thing	Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar	mono gives ONLY technical interoperabilty for m$	Dec 24 19:12
schestowitz	And kickbacks to Novell	Dec 24 19:12
seller_liar	and does not need to bribe , like apache for example	Dec 24 19:13
seller_liar	Mono = free interoperability for m$	Dec 24 19:13
trmanco	seller_liar, According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by some members of the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (see Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft).	Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar	trmanco: I know	Dec 24 19:14
trmanco	just avoid it	Dec 24 19:14
trmanco	as much as possible	Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar	But , free interoperability is very dangerous	Dec 24 19:14
trmanco	it depends	Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar	M$ can use linux free softwares at no cost	Dec 24 19:15
trmanco	everbody can use free software	Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar	And runs even better than linux	Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar	Because m$ uses superior .net platform	Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar	M$ can imbue scripts to cil code	Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar	because all code is source based	Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar	it's not binary based	Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar	But , the enemy will use our powers to destroy us	Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz	That's what APIs are for	Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz	Watch what they did to Java	Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz	They 'extended' it.	Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz	I could show you criminal quotes about that. it was done deliberately and maliciously.	Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar	I know , but did not permit	Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar	Sun has defended java	Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar	I like java , the only problem is to port .net to java	Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar	Ikvm and ja.net have ported java to net	Dec 24 19:19
benJIman	jacil runs .net on java.	Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar	I don t like this because all developers can change from java to .net	Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar	benJIman: I know	Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar	benJIman: But it's VERY outdated	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	benJIman: But the good solution is port all net to java	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	Like jython	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	Jono?	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	A java implementation of Mono	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	LGPLv3	Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar	Transforms moonblight to bytecode	Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar	Like jython does	Dec 24 19:21
benJIman	seller_liar: I fail to see how that would solve any of the problems you have with mono.	Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar	For example	Dec 24 19:21
benJIman	Mono is under a more liberal licence than java.	Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar	Java devs can import mono libraries	Dec 24 19:21
benJIman	.net on java would have no fewer patent ifnfringements.	Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar	Like ikvm does	Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar	And this gives more power to java	Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar	For example	Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar	Ikvm import java code in a .net app	Dec 24 19:22
trmanco	http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/	Dec 24 19:22
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trmanco	http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/24/netb...	Dec 24 19:26
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schestowitz	I told you!	Dec 24 19:28
schestowitz	That's why I say sub-notebook.	Dec 24 19:28
trmanco	more bad stuff from Intel	Dec 24 19:29
trmanco	Intel insists Atom only for Intel chipsets, does not want to share Nvidia's Ion: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a...	Dec 24 19:29
schestowitz	Intel is a criminal company	Dec 24 19:29
schestowitz	I already have enough in the basket... let them announce their layoffs soon.	Dec 24 19:30
seller_	I dont like intel , is another monopolist like coca-cola	Dec 24 19:31
seller_	Destroy poor countries to sell more products	Dec 24 19:31
schestowitz	That's the American way	Dec 24 19:33
schestowitz	Money first, ethics later... laws?? Only if someone enforces them, e.g. FTC, SEC.	Dec 24 19:33
seller_	That's the stupida American Way	Dec 24 19:38
seller_	But it's not my way	Dec 24 19:39
seller_	Companies forces people to follow the american way	Dec 24 19:39
seller_	Big companies creates homogenous population	Dec 24 19:41
seller_	M$ ,McDonalds, Nike, Coca-cola, Intel	Dec 24 19:41
seller_	All these companies forces people to follow the same way of life	Dec 24 19:41
seller_	If you don t follow these (stupid) companies , you are f*cked	Dec 24 19:42
trmanco	they take away your life too	Dec 24 19:42
schestowitz	I wasn't going to post in BN today, but some many sites go on with business as usual, so I'll do a few posts.	Dec 24 19:42
schestowitz	seller_: how much do you know about "manufactured consent"?	Dec 24 19:43
trmanco	oh btw	Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz	Those that do not follow the route of the giants are pushed gently out of the cycle of impact.	Dec 24 19:43
trmanco	before I forget, Merry Christmas to everyone	Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz	seller_: let me find the post "when did I become such a tool?"	Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz	From a Microsoft employee who moved to Linux.	Dec 24 19:44
seller_	"Manufactured consent"	Dec 24 19:44
seller_	I do not know	Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz	Got it! http://makingtheswitch.wordpress.com/2...	Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz	seller_: go to YouTube or Google and study this. it's a term from almost 100 years ago.	Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz	How to use PR industry techniques to brainwash rather then resort to crowd control.	Dec 24 19:45
seller_	schestowitz: ok	Dec 24 19:45
trmanco	http://www.fsf.org/blogs/mem...	Dec 24 19:46
seller_	It’s filled with thousands of people who truly believe that they are doing the right thing for the customer and who want nothing more than to deliver the absolute best they can (within the limits of time, resources and politics). Good pay. Great benefits. Smart people.	Dec 24 19:46
seller_	We can not live this way	Dec 24 19:46
seller_	The ex- m$ developer cannot act like a machine which gives only technical power ovfor customers	Dec 24 19:47
seller_	The ex-m$ dev only thinks in better solution ,better softwares ,better,better	Dec 24 19:47
seller_	better....	Dec 24 19:47
seller_	We can not live this way	Dec 24 19:48
seller_	We need to live a ethical way of life too	Dec 24 19:48
seller_	We need to think about ethics , not only , better,better,better things	Dec 24 19:48
seller_	There are a lot of "better" things, but these things are not "good" things	Dec 24 19:49
seller_	Like google search	Dec 24 19:51
seller_	is very fast ,is better search, but it 's not a good ethical solution	Dec 24 19:52
schestowitz	Yes, ethics I agree.	Dec 24 19:52
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schestowitz	Why don't schools teach that?	Dec 24 19:52
schestowitz	wb, kentma	Dec 24 19:52
kentma	Hii	Dec 24 19:52
seller_	Schools are very outdated	Dec 24 19:52
seller_	Ethical is a very personal act	Dec 24 19:53
seller_	Envolves companies and bad acts	Dec 24 19:53
seller_	School does not like to discuss bad acts	Dec 24 19:53
seller_	But we need to discuss and study about bad acts	Dec 24 19:53
seller_	Like M$ does	Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz	Tell me about it... :-)	Dec 24 19:54
kentma	My school is very ethical...	Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz	I pointed out earlier that Intel commits crime	Dec 24 19:54
trmanco	First There Was Compiz, Now There Is Compiz++: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...	Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz	A gang of American hyenas jump to the company's resuce.	Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz	I give lots of extensive evidence, so they start attacking my personality	Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz	trmanco: yeah, there was also flatfish, which become flastfish++	Dec 24 19:55
trmanco	LOL	Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz	True though.	Dec 24 19:55
kentma	Hehe, yes.	Dec 24 19:55
trmanco	schestowitz, no, flatfish#	Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz	With extra rudeness and libel.	Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz	After repeating his real name he came out from the hiding.	Dec 24 19:56
kentma	Gary became very aggressive when he was first Id'd	Dec 24 19:56
kentma	It was a seminal moment in cleaning up cola	Dec 24 19:57
seller_	schestowitz: a hint	Dec 24 19:57
seller_	schestowitz: ethics is agains power	Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz	They accused others of nymshifting	Dec 24 19:58
seller_	schestowitz: power is against ethics	Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz	The truth is that regulars often stay anonymous because they are afraid of the Microsoft bullies, who spread libel and attack through a person's employer	Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz	In Greece they made it a sin	Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz	Hubris, I think.	Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris	Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz	"Hubris, sometimes spelled hybris (ancient Greek Ã¡Â½â¢ÃÂ²ÃÂÃÂ¹Ãâ), is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, self-confidence, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well."	Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz	[...] "Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. "	Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz	"Greatest sin"	Dec 24 20:00
schestowitz	Well, they still raise an army of Donald Trump wannabes and businesspeople turn Bill Gates into some kind of a role model as though crime is acceptable as long as you become rich that way. This reminds of all these disgraceful people who tell the press _right now_ how Madoff was a nice guy.	Dec 24 20:01
kentma	Criminals, especially white collar ones often aare 'nice'	Dec 24 20:03
schestowitz	White collar.	Dec 24 20:04
schestowitz	They wear suits, so they are just 'too shrewed'	Dec 24 20:04
trmanco	MediaPortal 1.0 for Windows is released: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news...	Dec 24 20:06
trmanco	Microsoft confirms it's been working on SQL Server bug since April: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article....	Dec 24 20:08
schestowitz	'Working' or working?	Dec 24 20:09
schestowitz	So they can fix an IE bug within days (200+ patches), whereas another takes 8 months?	Dec 24 20:09
trmanco	or	Dec 24 20:10
trmanco	... 7 years	Dec 24 20:10
trmanco	IIRC	Dec 24 20:10
schestowitz	Just Windows? http://www.team-mediapor...	Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz	They don't fix bugs until attacks hijack PCs	Dec 24 20:11
trmanco	yes, http://www.team-mediaportal.com/manual/Genera...	Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz	That way they can pretend they don't have bugs. People can find those bugs in binaries.	Dec 24 20:11
seller_	Fix bugs costs money	Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz	"#	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	Microsoft .NET Framework 2	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	#	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	Microsoft DirectX 9.0c or later"	Dec 24 20:12
seller_	For m$ this is more important than humans	Dec 24 20:12
trmanco	LOL	Dec 24 20:12
trmanco	more bugs	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	Wow. GPL... .NET... Windows-only	Dec 24 20:12
trmanco	:-P	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	Truly 'Fee software'	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	This devalues the notion of GPL	Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz	Built with DirectX and .NET... good luck running /that/ on anything but Vista ME.	Dec 24 20:13
trmanco	Red Hat supports Ogg -> http://www.redhat.com/videos/	Dec 24 20:14
seller_	Hehe , I will use mediaportal via mono!	Dec 24 20:14
trmanco	" Fee Software" :-P	Dec 24 20:14
schestowitz	I'll do a post about it, thanls.	Dec 24 20:16
trmanco	Open suse has a new license?	Dec 24 20:17
trmanco	Joe "Zonker" Brockmeier discusses OpenSUSE 11.1: http://www.desktoplinux.com/artic...	Dec 24 20:17
trmanco	http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_EULA	Dec 24 20:18
trmanco	this opensuse eula thing is new to me	Dec 24 20:20
trmanco	it already had one before so forget what I typed	Dec 24 20:20
schestowitz	Yes, I posted about it.	Dec 24 20:20
schestowitz	Why is it that the Internet takes no break???	Dec 24 20:21
schestowitz	I was going to take time off, but everyone writes and posts news like busy beavers.	Dec 24 20:21
trmanco	The internet can't stop	Dec 24 20:23
trmanco	imagine if all the servers went down at once :-P	Dec 24 20:23
trmanco	same happens with the news :-P	Dec 24 20:23
schestowitz	Na...	Dec 24 20:23
schestowitz	I thought there was a "rest" consensus.	Dec 24 20:24
trmanco	Open source becomes paid software in 2009: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10128801-62...	Dec 24 20:36
trmanco	http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content...	Dec 24 20:37
schestowitz	Those are the people who change the meaning of OSS	Dec 24 20:41
schestowitz	Asay, Rosenberg, etc. It's not about Free software, but more about SaaS and dual-licensing.	Dec 24 20:41
schestowitz	Micron makes more losses on memory way < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... >	Dec 24 20:57
schestowitz	"USA Today is reporting that Homeland Security is looking to start scanning blogs, forums and message boards to try to track terrorists and terrorist activity. My first reaction to this, honestly, was shock. " < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... >	Dec 24 21:07
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schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de... " Tasers have killed 400 people in North America since 2001. Calling them "nonlethal" makes users trigger-happy."	Dec 24 21:43
trmanco	http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/pro...	Dec 24 21:43
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/200... He's out!	Dec 24 21:43
trmanco	why the heck are the prices the same	Dec 24 21:43
schestowitz	Don't buy Dell.	Dec 24 21:44
trmanco	even tho Ubuntu has lower specs	Dec 24 21:44
trmanco	oh wait	Dec 24 21:44
schestowitz	Look at the specs	Dec 24 21:44
trmanco	Expires 08/01/2009	Dec 24 21:44
schestowitz	This is ridiculous.	Dec 24 21:44
trmanco	it is	Dec 24 21:44
trmanco	where is the pressure coming from?	Dec 24 21:45
trmanco	:\|	Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz	Get twice of most things by avoiding that 'expensive' Linux thing.	Dec 24 21:45
trmanco	this crap just pisses me off	Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz	Where did you find this?	Dec 24 21:45
trmanco	COLA	Dec 24 21:45
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schestowitz	If not many people saw this, I'll blog	Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz	OK	Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz	I'll blog about itr	Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz	Damn. it's supposed to be quiet today. :-(	Dec 24 21:46
trmanco	a post by megabyte	Dec 24 21:46
trmanco	LOL	Dec 24 21:46
twitter	what's the noise?	Dec 24 21:46
trmanco	tomorrow will be a quiet day	Dec 24 21:46
trmanco	twitter, this >> http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/pr...	Dec 24 21:46
twitter	no, holidays are when people try to sneak things over.	Dec 24 21:46
twitter	so?	Dec 24 21:47
twitter	I saw one of these things the other day with XP. It crashed on boot.	Dec 24 21:48
trmanco	same price	Dec 24 21:48
trmanco	but ubuntu has lower specs	Dec 24 21:48
twitter	OEM lock. Just one more reason to avoid M$ Partners.	Dec 24 21:49
twitter	People are going to buy the Linux model anyway because it works better.	Dec 24 21:49
trmanco	even on lower specs it works better	Dec 24 21:50
trmanco	LOL	Dec 24 21:50
trmanco	"I just bought the Xp model... can't wait to put linux on it...	Dec 24 21:50
trmanco	MERRY CHRISTMAS!"	Dec 24 21:50
twitter	From what I saw, the XP model does not work at all.	Dec 24 21:50
trmanco	I haven't read the comments yet, if it was there you got that information	Dec 24 21:52
trmanco	brb	Dec 24 21:52
twitter	No, I got that information from watching one crash and talking to the owner.	Dec 24 21:53
twitter	He's was a hard core Winblows person, so he thought the performance was normal for such a small, low powered computer.	Dec 24 21:54
twitter	sad	Dec 24 21:54
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schestowitz	OK, almost done.	Dec 24 21:58
schestowitz	twitter: that's not the point	Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz	Dell somehow continues encouraging people to buy Windows and dual-boot	Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz	It's the same with laptops and desktops.	Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz	It's important to follow the unbundling rules proposed in the EU (France)	Dec 24 22:00
schestowitz	There need to be tags that say how much the software _ALONE_ costs so that refund can be demanded. Otherwise, market distortion through kickbacks remains possible.	Dec 24 22:00
schestowitz	Dell also did the bribery thing with Intel. Many of these corporations are as ethical as Madoff. They smile at you while they loot everyone.	Dec 24 22:01
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/...	Dec 24 22:05
PetoKraus	oh merry christmas lads	Dec 24 22:10
PetoKraus	anyway	Dec 24 22:10
PetoKraus	people are so nuts these days, that I don't even need to follow FOSS stuff to submerge myself in insanity	Dec 24 22:11
trmanco	twitter, oh ok, that was even a better source :-P	Dec 24 22:12
schestowitz	Merry Christmas to you too. I look forward to more beer in the weekend myself.	Dec 24 22:12
schestowitz	Microsoft mentality: it doesn't matter how good/bad our product is as long as there is no competition and we can develop and invest... new ways to sabotage it.	Dec 24 22:13
trmanco	PetoKraus, Merry Christmas to you too	Dec 24 22:13
twitter	Visiting my family was deeply disturbing.	Dec 24 22:14
twitter	I can always expect some copyright warrior stuff, but this time I was confronted with broadcast news toxins.	Dec 24 22:15
twitter	They believe that it's AOK for the US government to torture and murder people.	Dec 24 22:16
twitter	They don't believe in global warming.	Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz	sigh http://tech.slashdot.org/article.... It's not as though Slashdot says "look, we have lots of influence and we are willing to sell out." It works in reverse. Companies lust for Slashdot's exposure, so they come to it with money. If Slashdot is in a bad financial or mental state, then it give in.	Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz	*gives	Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz	twitter: what's to believe in? It's not a religion. It's a fact, it's science.	Dec 24 22:17
twitter	They don't know science, they are lawyers.	Dec 24 22:17
schestowitz	Only money and media distortion from Standard Oil (as it used to be) can turn facts into a 'debate' with 'two sides' and controversy.	Dec 24 22:17
twitter	they don't care anyway.	Dec 24 22:18
schestowitz	Why resolve the problem? Let's just argue about their existence, instead.	Dec 24 22:18
twitter	As long as someone is earning money doing it, most of my family thinks it's OK to destroy any resource.	Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz	Amazonian too?	Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz	What happens when things run out?	Dec 24 22:19
trmanco	we die	Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz	The world is no infinite garbage dump, either.	Dec 24 22:19
twitter	They don't care.	Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz	trmanco: it's human's nature.	Dec 24 22:19
trmanco	yes of course	Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz	*^Human	Dec 24 22:20
twitter	They still like GWB, so I can safely say they are a rabid minority.	Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz	What if it was reformed though education? This requires collapsing financial ambitions/greed	Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz	twitter: they are not told the truth	Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz	Let me find something	Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz	Got it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...	Dec 24 22:21
schestowitz	Watch what this man says at the end. It's breathtaking how much 'robotized' people can become... kind of like in WW2	Dec 24 22:21
twitter	They are saturated with broadcast bullshit and pick and chose the things they want to believe.	Dec 24 22:21
schestowitz	Biased coverage through omission of perspective.	Dec 24 22:22
twitter	It is frightening because most of these people are well educated. I'm surprised by how mean and craven a few years of toxic broadcast has made them.	Dec 24 22:22
schestowitz	/. instructs on making a PC work for older people......... as long as it's not GNU/Linux...... http://tech.slashdot.org/article....	Dec 24 22:23
twitter	They have basically bought into the endless war on terrorism - they have declared war on the entire world.	Dec 24 22:23
schestowitz	Reminds me of that Nigerian article from last week about Microsoft... they train people so that they recycle PCs... BUT ONLY it it's Windows, not GNU/Linux.	Dec 24 22:24
schestowitz	This works by creating resentment	Dec 24 22:24
schestowitz	If people are sold this 'war' that is frivolous, then people will get angry, join moments like the Taliban and actualize the imaginary vision that, for example, says that 9/11 has something to do with Iraq.	Dec 24 22:25
schestowitz	I always say, "treat them like terrorists, and terrorists they shall become"	Dec 24 22:25
schestowitz	I also say, "treat them like "pirates", and downloading you music they will"	Dec 24 22:26
schestowitz	"You're a thief" tax on CD, music player and HDDs is a good example.	Dec 24 22:26
twitter	It's funny but the less educated member of my family understood the resentment our bogus war has created because he knows the foot soldiers.	Dec 24 22:27
twitter	They work for Haliburton, Blackwater and others, have done several tours and rotations but won't be going back any more.	Dec 24 22:28
schestowitz	I'm reminded of a story about people who refuse to participate in this.	Dec 24 22:28
schestowitz	Even the production of missiles in Columbine is a good example of the 'Death Pipeline'	Dec 24 22:29
neighborlee	twitter, thats easy...they dont have to believe in global warming really, to understand that clean energy is the future..no one wants to pollute intentionaly unlesss of course those individuals are invested in said technologies of course, so its also not just the earth we are harming but future genomes so if they have any grand kids thats a killler to their arguement ;)	Dec 24 22:29
twitter	Oh, they were happy enough to participate in the beginning. They know there's so much resentment now that it's just not worth it anymore.	Dec 24 22:29
neighborlee	I h ave no idea what my b rother thinks about such things but now im curiuos so ill ask him sometime ;)	Dec 24 22:29
schestowitz	I watched this helicopter pilot who refused to serve anymore because he led commandos to targeted assassinations.	Dec 24 22:29
twitter	Military people don't have a way out.	Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz	twitter: it's not just Arab resentment	Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz	Even Europe is shown (using polls) to have lost respect for American business and policies.	Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz	It's harmful all around.	Dec 24 22:30
twitter	I know.	Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz	Wait until more dollars are dumped for Euro..	Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz	That would hurt.	Dec 24 22:31
schestowitz	Re: Military people, true, esp. now. It's hard enough to be hired for anything but military and armament	Dec 24 22:31
twitter	Like I said, it was disturbing.	Dec 24 22:31
schestowitz	I wonder what PJ is up to. She's not answering people's mail	Dec 24 22:32
twitter	I hope she's on vacation.	Dec 24 22:32
schestowitz	_Doug speaks as though she's gone for now. I don't think it's vacation. It's organising backlog	Dec 24 22:32
twitter	Well, it was nice stopping by. I'm going back to vacation myself.	Dec 24 22:34
twitter	I'll read BN from time to time, but the next week or so will be spent with my wife and kids, then the inlaws who are much less toxic.	Dec 24 22:34
schestowitz	Wow. This is bizarre. I published almost nothing in BN today and we still got as much traffic as usua.	Dec 24 22:36
twitter	People probably don't read everyday.	Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz	I was going to publish nothing, but nobody is taking a break, which I find annoying.	Dec 24 22:37
twitter	You keep looking at Groklaw, right?	Dec 24 22:37
twitter	Extinction takes time.	Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz	Almost nothinjg there.	Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz	I can't see if she's adding missing PDFs	Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz	Here's the thing	Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz	Like with Beranger, once you get used to time off, then you find other things and may not be back to it at the same level of capacity	Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz	She used to post up to about 5 posts a day. Recently she was doing 1 a day (at most) and her traffic fell	Dec 24 22:38
twitter	Oh no. I'll be back the same as always until I get a job.	Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz	BN is 3100th on Netcraft's scale. GL is 1200th	Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz	Here's another thing.	Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz	I sent this E-mail before she stopped.	Dec 24 22:40
schestowitz	"Hi Pamela, I hope you don't mind me asking a personal question, but I noticed that you publish just one article per day (less than you used to). Do you do work outside the site in order to pay the bills? I ask because I might need to follow a similar route. With kind Regards and happy thanksgiving!"	Dec 24 22:40
twitter	Hmmm. Keep up the good work and have a Merry Christmas.	Dec 24 22:41
schestowitz	The "health break" (2007) was not really about health, so I am left suspicious.	Dec 24 22:41
twitter	My break is going to be all about Christmas.	Dec 24 22:41
twitter	later.	Dec 24 22:41
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schestowitz	World Bank bans India outsourcer Satyam for 8 years < http://www.theregister.co.u... >	Dec 24 22:42
schestowitz	"News of the barring was first reported in October by Fox News, which further alleges World Bank investigators discovered spy software installed by one or more Satyam contractors on workstations in the bank's Washington DC headquarters."	Dec 24 22:42
schestowitz	From Bad to Ugly: Seattle Tech '08 < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Fro... >	Dec 24 22:45
schestowitz	"Of course, at this point, the bigger question is whether Microsoft employees will keep their jobs, let alone their towel service." http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Will_Mi...	Dec 24 22:45
trmanco	does anybody know free ldap servers?	Dec 24 23:33
schestowitz	Googling netted: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/li... . Centos would do	Dec 24 23:36
schestowitz	That Var Guy is on some illusion that Red Hat benefits from Wintel press, but I doubt a few articles in Ziff/Gates make so much difference. It's nice to believe it though, no? :-)	Dec 24 23:36
trmanco	thanks	Dec 24 23:55
trmanco	http://www.openldap.org/	Dec 24 23:56
trmanco	:)	Dec 24 23:56
schestowitz	I can imagine.	Dec 24 23:56
schestowitz	Is there a story coming about schools in Portugal escaping the wrath of the corruptible Gates-controlled regime?	Dec 24 23:56
trmanco	Nop, not yet	Dec 24 23:58

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