| *tessier_ likes USB flash drives too | Jan 17 00:00 |
| tessier_ | oh...actually, I like external USB hard drives. I use them for backup. I never use USB flash drives. Everywhere I go has a net connection so I can always get my data. | Jan 17 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Two monitors = 44 percent increase in productivity < http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/115846 > | Jan 17 00:01 |
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| moogstrap | I don't see much future in the licensing users... I wonder if this worm rage will incite calls to for us to embrace TC | Jan 17 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | I guess that's why I'm efficient. :-) Been doing dual since I was a teen | Jan 17 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: that's what worries me | Jan 17 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | The infowars crazies used Lessig to talk about a i9/11 | Jan 17 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | As in , a major disaster blown out of proportion to call for radical measures and laws like TC-related requirements (MASHALL) | Jan 17 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | *MARSHAL | Jan 17 00:03 |
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| moogstrap | time for the phonecall! evening | Jan 17 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | IT Salary 2009: Survey Says Modest Declines < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.p... > | Jan 17 00:04 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 17 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Neat! http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/f... | Jan 17 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsof... | Jan 17 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Why are so many people linking to http://www.computerworld.com.au/ind... ? It's a GoogleNews Burp... it's from 2007!! | Jan 17 00:23 |
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| tessier_ | TC isn't bad except that different people have different ideas of who it is that should be trusted | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Why Open Source is Eclipsing Everything Else < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu... > | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| tessier_ | It's my computer so I think I should be trusted. MS and media companies think it's their computer and they should be trusted (and not me). | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft wanted to use that as lockin | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| tessier_ | Yep | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | I still need to dig up and organise the antitrust stuff | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| tessier_ | We have a machine in the front office with a black background. WGA strikes again. | Jan 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same with Office rendering on the Web, ActiveX, XAML.. | Jan 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | "we have to innovate above standards..." | Jan 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | WGA still strikes? Wow, I really haven't keep track of things. | Jan 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | To me, Windows is just screenshots or videos | Jan 17 00:26 |
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| tessier_ | Same here. But sometimes I see other people using it. | Jan 17 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | That hardly happens to me anymore | Jan 17 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | I started doing everything from my apartment. | Jan 17 00:27 |
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| twitter | trickle, trickle. http://online.wsj.com/article... | Jan 17 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | You're supposed to be distracted by other MS news. | Jan 17 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | MJF spins both layoffs *and* actions against Microsoft's crimes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819 http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819 | Jan 17 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon she's nervous. ZDNet too seems to be on the verge of big layoffs or bankruptcy and she already has a new site of her own, but it won't give her a wage like eWeek (Ziff|Gates - MSWatch) or CNET|ZD | Jan 17 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Richard Rasker: "Poor Microsoft ... being harrassed all the time, when all they want to do is make a few bucks ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28698674/" | Jan 17 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Some new people have begun helping with the hidden wiki.... it's still a mess at this early stage... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph... | Jan 17 00:49 |
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| twitter | look another spyglass story. As M$ raped the company that created IE, it looks like they are raping the company that make their Live Communications. http://www.pcworld.com/article/15788... | Jan 17 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen it | Jan 17 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | moog* raised it | Jan 17 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | Predictable.. coming from a company of dumpster divers | Jan 17 01:39 |
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| twitter | cool, I'm a little behind the news right now. so much spews out on friday night. | Jan 17 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I wonder what I missed | Jan 17 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'm well behind. | Jan 17 01:40 |
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| twitter | how do you create wiki users? | Jan 17 01:47 |
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| twitter | Hmmm, no surprise here.... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f... | Jan 17 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | Can you not create an account. It should definitely be possible. | Jan 17 01:48 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | The company she left fired 750 (announced last night) | Jan 17 01:49 |
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| twitter | ah ha, I misread this, " Bartz told employees that her gut instinct was not to sell the company's search business to Microsoft, according to a news report." | Jan 17 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Jan 17 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | She comes from a monopolist of sorts.. | Jan 17 01:50 |
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| twitter | Autodesk, big patent abuser and M$ friend. | Jan 17 01:50 |
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| twitter | Almost completely routed around by 3D drafting companies. | Jan 17 01:51 |
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| twitter | $19 million salary and 5 million stock options. How do they justify that kind of extravagance? | Jan 17 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | I've no idea | Jan 17 01:54 |
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| twitter | There are a couple to stories about meeting between M$ and Yahoo. | Jan 17 01:55 |
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| twitter | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/techn... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technology/... | Jan 17 01:55 |
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| cj | hmm? | Jan 17 02:26 |
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| cj | schestowitz: I was not insulting you. *sigh* | Jan 17 02:26 |
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| cj | schestowitz: I just said it reminded me of you. If you took it as an insult, I don't know what I can do about that. | Jan 17 02:26 |
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| cj | but I wish you wouldn't assume the worst all the time | Jan 17 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry, me bad :-S | Jan 17 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | *my | Jan 17 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-... second part is interesting re: Pentagon | Jan 17 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | American has just intellectually invaded Peru""Uncanny, but I was just talking about Peru and Free Software last week and the week before for the first time in a very long while (years I think) Now I see this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7834820.stm .." | Jan 17 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Mail: "If it's like the other "free trade" pacts, it has sw patents as a rider. I'm not sure were to look. If it is the case, then it is the Bush junta doing what they can to cause damage on the way out." | Jan 17 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=02zpX... | Jan 17 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1... "Ballmer has even gone on record as saying Microsoft's secret is its "tenacity, persistence, patience". While Microsoft is rarely the first to market, it can always leverage its size when battling market incumbents." | Jan 17 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | Little Trees Air Freshener Company Ads Warn People Not To Mess With Its Trademark < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009010... > with picture..... | Jan 17 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | Government funds new propaganda channels: Government rescues New England newspapers < http://www.foxnews.com/video-sear... > | Jan 17 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | I they die, let them lie. The strong survive, untrustible media will die out... | Jan 17 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | So citizens are now funding the same brainwash they are subjected to -- through bailouts. | Jan 17 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | I've got lots of Gartner dirt. Good. I'll chain them with older posts too. | Jan 17 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/surve... | Jan 17 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Is 2009 the year of acquisitions by Chinese and Indian IT vendors? < http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresourc... > | Jan 17 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | This has just shown up in feeds: http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?doci... Microsoft-sponsored anti-Novell | Jan 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.edmondlifeandleisure.com/default... "an executive at Sun Microsystems, which at that time was called Novell." ?????????? | Jan 17 11:51 |
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| ushimitsudoki | That article is just a mistake. Schimidt worked at Sun and then Novell. Probably the columnist just confused it up | Jan 17 12:03 |
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| ushimitsudoki | How can you even manage that small text, non spaced reading anyway? | Jan 17 12:03 |
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| ushimitsudoki | hurts my eyes to look at it | Jan 17 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah.. I'll use that to joke anyway. | Jan 17 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has just hired greyhats | Jan 17 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I'll do a quick post about it. | Jan 17 12:28 |
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| ushimitsudoki | alright i'll give it a read if i'm about | Jan 17 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/su... :-) | Jan 17 12:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | link to O'Gara calling Bartz a bitch? | Jan 17 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | No :-) | Jan 17 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | That would feed her... | Jan 17 12:41 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I wouldn't put something like that in without a source | Jan 17 12:46 |
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| ushimitsudoki | ref=nofollow if you dont want to give google juice | Jan 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find it | Jan 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://au.sys-con.com/node/808918 | Jan 17 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | I really don't want to feed her. It's a malicious spy. | Jan 17 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Oh, by the way, Bartz is getting a base salary of a million dollars and a total compensation package this year of roughly $19 million to save Yahoo from itself. Expectations are she'll earn every dime she gets." | Jan 17 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Read b/w the lines... it's vindicative. | Jan 17 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/softwa... | Jan 17 13:08 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Jan 17 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Can anyone else confirm that www.boycottnovell.com is now resolving once again? | Jan 17 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Shane gets to it. I can't (yet) | Jan 17 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Works from here: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http... | Jan 17 15:24 |
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| MinceR | www.boycottnovell.com has address 72.29.75.151 | Jan 17 15:45 |
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| MinceR | the website works on that address | Jan 17 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Jan 17 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Shane needed access to stuff I can't access. | Jan 17 15:47 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, works like a charm | Jan 17 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 17 15:53 |
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| trmanco | what was the problem? | Jan 17 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* Skype sucks on this network | Jan 17 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Certain routes work well. Others are too laggy | Jan 17 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I don't know, but Shane changed package/server, so.... | Jan 17 15:54 |
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| trmanco | hmm ok | Jan 17 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's what he said anyway. He upgraded after Slashdot took us down. | Jan 17 15:54 |
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| twitter | BN works here | Jan 17 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | I've just posted part 1 on anal-ysts | Jan 17 15:59 |
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| twitter | Resolves to 72.29.75.151 using BIND 9 | Jan 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/mic... | Jan 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | The best will come in parts 2 and 3. ;-) | Jan 17 15:59 |
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| twitter | Cox resolves it to 72.29.75.151 too. | Jan 17 16:00 |
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| twitter | going to read BN now. | Jan 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Apple CEO Steve Jobs considering a liver transplant? < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/... > | Jan 17 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | Another Californian, Arnie McBain, did a transplant too, no? Those steroids burned his body. | Jan 17 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | Crisis in the Heartland: Consequences of the New Wall Street System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php... | Jan 17 16:06 |
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| twitter | Arnold has had quadruple bypass on his heart. I do not know about other transplants. If Jobs can't get a transplant to fix himself, no one can. | Jan 17 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | One in five Guantanamo Bay detainees is on hunger strike http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_a... | Jan 17 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | RMS does no favour to FS PR by encouraging legalisation of pot. | Jan 17 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | He does this again. Although it's claimed to have been banned for class-related issues (deprivation of the poor), this line he's preaching for looks bad to outsiders. | Jan 17 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | He also netted this: No Charge: In Civil-Contempt Cases, Jail Time Can Stretch On for Years < http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB12313726... > | Jan 17 16:12 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I can vouch that its anything but a good thing at least on a consistent basis..I know many friends that use it and overall addicted to it, and what id call paranoid personality types as a result of its use,,there are studies showing that, not to mention the drain it is on ones finances. I see no redeeming quality in it other than medicinal use. | Jan 17 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. I never did drugs though. I happen to have read some background on this. | Jan 17 16:16 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, ive used it in the past, very very infrequently but I never bought any,,if friends had it I would have joined in but I certainly never became addicted to it as my usage was extremely minimal as a result of it being a social thing. | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | I still wonder why microwaves are only banned in Sweden, AFAIK. | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| neighborlee | hmmm had no idea about that one. | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Fast food culture... plasma TVs might soon be banned in the EU | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| twitter | RMS is under no such PR burdens. His thoughts are his own. If you think he's wrong about legalizing pot, tell him why but don't tell him that the truth makes other people look bad. | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Alcohol is addictive too and so are cigarettes. | Jan 17 16:17 |
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| neighborlee | at least alcohol does have redeeming value in that its healthy in small amounts | Jan 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: some people use these statements against him | Jan 17 16:18 |
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| neighborlee | but yeah , I dont think we have enough safety nets in place to protect innocent people from drunks | Jan 17 16:18 |
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| twitter | What does that have to do with free software? | Jan 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen people attacking his movement saying that he endorses pedophelia or something... | Jan 17 16:18 |
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| neighborlee | so you can say, some suffer so that others 'rights' aren't stampled on..cheers for society :) | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| twitter | People say stupid things about him. They do the same for you too. | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Slime | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Out of context statments. | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | *te | Jan 17 16:19 |
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| neighborlee | however , yes I tend to agree, those in positions of some authority have a deeper responsibility to society, and for what they say as it tends to have more impact. | Jan 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, it was about some remark on consent in Holland or something | Jan 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | Some people fished it without context and posted libel in Digg | Jan 17 16:20 |
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| twitter | RMS says things against run away prudes and denounces the American Taliban as much as he does the Afgan Talaban. | Jan 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: they mostly have responsibility for their bills. | Jan 17 16:21 |
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| neighborlee | well that too | Jan 17 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | He fights the whole (mis)education system | Jan 17 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | People are taught to attack people like him 'by peer' | Jan 17 16:22 |
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| twitter | We are taught to censor ourselves instead of thinking things through from first principles. | Jan 17 16:23 |
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| twitter | I don't like pot because it lingers too long and is a form of smoking that will be marketed to children. People fall under the influence for days but are not aware of it. | Jan 17 16:23 |
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| twitter | US laws are disproportionate to that harm and RMS has pointed out some very real economic costs of this as well as moral contradictions. | Jan 17 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | "In fact, that's true throughout the Cold War, but very explicit then, and Eisenhower did discuss it with his staff, said there is a campaign of hatred against us -- not on the part of governments but on the part of the people, and we wanna know why that's true. " | Jan 17 16:25 |
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| *schestowitz searches for something | Jan 17 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Goes along the lines of "it's difficult to counter the perception that the US (and UK) is robbing other people because it's true". That was said by the United States government many years go (not exact quote) | Jan 17 16:27 |
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| twitter | Here's a recently documented smear job by the tobacco industry. http://www.prwatch.org/node/8130 | Jan 17 16:28 |
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| twitter | Unfortunately, I can't read the source article. | Jan 17 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | PRWatch is not very active | Jan 17 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | I bet it used to do more research which is valuable (I subscribed to it months ago) | Jan 17 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | It studies Microsoft pressure groups (shills) like ACT and published some informative pages that I used. | Jan 17 16:30 |
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| twitter | Here's what the smear was designed to cover up http://www.prwatch.org/node/8115 | Jan 17 16:31 |
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| twitter | That's good and valuable research, even if it does just trickle in. | Jan 17 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | MOG's trash press: latest headline... "Red Hat Raids Intel" | Jan 17 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | DRM- Vista-like model for apps: http://www.trendcaller.com/2009/01/time-for... Bad idea..... not even application store... | Jan 17 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Secure deletion: a single overwrite will do it < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Secure-d... > | Jan 17 17:16 |
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| MinceR | or so they want you to believe | Jan 17 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | That's what they claim | Jan 17 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Gutmann's papers became famous for this area. | Jan 17 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw resumes! :-) | Jan 17 17:25 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 17 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto... "It's great to have you back, but please don't get caught up in this like you did with SCOX. Treat it like the hobby the original Groklaw was supposed to be. 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It's not like you're knitting in front of the telly." | Jan 17 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | bl | Jan 17 17:33 |
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| _doug | Three million hit by Windows worm .. | Jan 17 17:44 |
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| _doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno... | Jan 17 17:44 |
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| _doug | finally got the headline correct :) | Jan 17 17:44 |
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| _doug | yet more fastfud from zdnet .. | Jan 17 17:52 |
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| _doug | Craft Brewer Standardizes on Microsoft Technologies to Reap Integration Benefits | Jan 17 17:52 |
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| _doug | http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract.... | Jan 17 17:52 |
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| _doug | "The company was using a Novell-based networking and e-mail system, which it found increasingly challenging to integrate with its business and IT applications from other vendors" | Jan 17 17:53 |
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| _doug | :) | Jan 17 17:53 |
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| _doug | The company names keep changing but the BS stays the same .. | Jan 17 17:57 |
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| _doug | ....................................... | Jan 17 18:00 |
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| _doug | _____ | | Jan 17 18:00 |
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| _doug | .-' `-. | | Jan 17 18:00 |
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| trmanco | http://valleywag.gawker.com/5132720/micro... | Jan 17 18:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm seriously thinking of quitting my job | Jan 17 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | it's getting literally ridiculous | Jan 17 18:50 |
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| trmanco | ? | Jan 17 18:59 |
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| PetoKraus | my boss is a fanny | Jan 17 19:00 |
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| PetoKraus | he doesn't know a damn about linux | Jan 17 19:01 |
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| PetoKraus | and he makes a judgement | Jan 17 19:01 |
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| PetoKraus | why did he even bother trying to sell linux-based UMPC's, when he actually discourages everyone from buying them? | Jan 17 19:01 |
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| PetoKraus | oh god, i wanna finally work in my field.... :/ | Jan 17 19:02 |
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| trmanco | :| | Jan 17 19:09 |
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| Tallken | hi schestowitz | Jan 17 19:46 |
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| Tallken | greetings everyone :) | Jan 17 19:46 |
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| PetoKraus | hi Tallken | Jan 17 19:47 |
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| Tallken | hi PetoKraus | Jan 17 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 17 20:12 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, Canonical is going to open Launchpad until July :D I know it's a week old news, but felt great hearing -reading actually- them :) | Jan 17 20:20 |
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| twitter | " 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It's not like you're knitting in front of the telly." TV, the great cognitive sink hole of two lost generations. | Jan 17 20:21 |
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| Tallken | LOL? | Jan 17 20:22 |
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| Tallken | twitter, explain :p | Jan 17 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Mechanisation of people. | Jan 17 20:23 |
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| twitter | It | Jan 17 20:23 |
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| twitter | is not my thought http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl... | Jan 17 20:23 |
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| twitter | Everyone knows what a waste TV is. You just suck up what's offered and tune out. Scans show that your brain literally thinks nothing is happening. | Jan 17 20:24 |
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| twitter | " As a society we have been burning 2,000 Wikipedias per year watching mostly sitcoms." | Jan 17 20:25 |
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| twitter | knitting is OK. you get something out of it and can do it and talk to people at the same time. | Jan 17 20:25 |
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| Tallken | thx for the link :) | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| twitter | no problem | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, you did commented Launchpad's release as free software? | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Television is not the problem | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is what's streamed onto it | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| Tallken | ignore the 'did' :p | Jan 17 20:26 |
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| twitter | No control broadcast WAS a problem. | Jan 17 20:27 |
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| twitter | It lowered people's quality thresholds. | Jan 17 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: yes, in links | Jan 17 20:27 |
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| Tallken | twitter, yeah, that'd be nice. Just shows about Microsoft :D | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | The strong survie | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Strong in terms of content | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| twitter | The funny thing is that automated TV recording, like MythTV, will have more people watching healthy doses of TV. | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Not strong in terms of money and authority | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| Tallken | people don't have standards | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | This enables the 'elites' to tap even more minds.. like GE and NBC | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| Tallken | why do people tend to migrate to using Internet instead of watching TV? | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| Tallken | because TV sucks | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| twitter | They do, actually. When given a choice they weed out what they like. | Jan 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Telecoms help them ruins the Net | Jan 17 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | They don't fiberise and they throttle too or censor.. | Jan 17 20:29 |
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| twitter | this is true, the internet gets around old media and it's restrictions. | Jan 17 20:29 |
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| Tallken | yes, twitter . In Portugal I have the choice of 4 crappy different kinds of programming | Jan 17 20:29 |
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| Tallken | speaking of the broadcasted over the air channels | Jan 17 20:30 |
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| twitter | I don't have cable so I have a choice of four stations too. | Jan 17 20:30 |
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| twitter | One of them is public TV and they often have something worthwhile. With a reliable schedule, I've been recording a few of those shows. | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: many ideas can't be expressed in these channels | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | lol | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| twitter | My wife and I now watch about three hours of TV a week. | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | i've got a page-hit from m$ft! | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | The advertisers and authority won't accept it | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: which page? | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | 17th Jan 2009 - 17:12:42 GMT::65.55.37.180 | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| twitter | Oh sure, movies have their limits as a form of expression. They work better on web pages. | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | dunno | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess i should log that as well | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: could be another out-of-control zombie ;-) | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | :/ | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| twitter | I like that I'm recording and can share these interesting programs if I want. | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | what's inktomi corporation? | Jan 17 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Search | Jan 17 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Mostly imags | Jan 17 20:33 |
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| PetoKraus | ah | Jan 17 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | So you got a visit from Darth | Jan 17 20:33 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 17 20:33 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to improve my logger :/ | Jan 17 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Miguel | Jan 17 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | He works from the Vole sometimes | Jan 17 20:34 |
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| PetoKraus | that's hard in doing your own CMS | Jan 17 20:34 |
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| PetoKraus | you always forget something :D | Jan 17 20:34 |
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| PetoKraus | is there something which searches in both arin and ripe? | Jan 17 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... | Jan 17 20:37 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: see | Jan 17 20:38 |
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| anivar | http://www.zyxware.com/articles/2009/01/16/openoff... | Jan 17 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | "By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. So we would believe that the original excel file was already under a Free Software License. We hereby give all derived work under GPLv3. " | Jan 17 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 17 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | ‘Open Source Activism’ Surfaces In Tyler < http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article... > | Jan 17 20:42 |
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| anivar | That is a good hack | Jan 17 20:43 |
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| anivar | You covered the issue on 1st EDGI story | Jan 17 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | I finished EDGO | Jan 17 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | *GI | Jan 17 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Almost | Jan 17 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | I now move on to Gartner/IDC, who produce Microsoft ammunition for EDGI | Jan 17 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Then I'll do some h/w dirty tricks and DRM (dirty tricks) | Jan 17 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Will the Cloud Bubble Burst in 2009? < http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/connectedweb/... > | Jan 17 20:45 |
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| anivar | :-) | Jan 17 20:46 |
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| twitter | Cloud burst | Jan 17 20:47 |
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| twitter | all I see is vapors | Jan 17 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know Ericsson did Android.. Joined the Open Handset Alliance and developing new phone using Android Open Source software < http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/a... > | Jan 17 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Next to opensuse's home.. Open Source Data Center Conference 29 -30 April 2009 < http://www.pressebox.de/pressemeldungen/net... > Nürnberg | Jan 17 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... http://www.sdtimes.com/FROM_THE_EDITORS_MICRO... ...... the editor who wrote this mailed me after I had criticised them. it's good that they set things straight by quoting Kuhn, but what's this latest thing about? | Jan 17 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | "The company also needs to get over its incredible hostility toward the GNU General Public License. That’s not to say that Microsoft needs to release any software using GPL. " | Jan 17 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is the only major software company that totally spurns the license and refuses to engage the Free Software Foundation or the Software Freedom Law Center to find a way to work with GPL-licensed code. Like it or not, GPL-based code is important to the software industry and to Microsoft’s customers." | Jan 17 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | This is funny: "That last point is the key. SD Times doesn’t care if Microsoft ever releases any of its software as open source. There’s nothing wrong with Microsoft’s closed-source business model, as its continuing profits, and popularity, with consumers and enterprise customers show." | Jan 17 20:57 |
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| amd-linux | because Ballmer is not a suit but a fanatic drone - remote controlled by gates | Jan 17 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Many people hate the products, but Microsoft forces them to use these... because of file formats, win32 compatibility etc. He also totally misses the point that interop is code word for "software patents" | Jan 17 20:58 |
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| amd-linux | and gates still thinks this ih HIS own little baby not the shareholders | Jan 17 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: it's the "Bad Cop" of Gates. They use him to pretend that while the company commits crimes it's only because of a rotten apple | Jan 17 20:59 |
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| amd-linux | well a company can not commit crime, only people - there are some greedy people inside MS | Jan 17 21:00 |
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| amd-linux | who do everything to make money | Jan 17 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's an attitudinal issue | Jan 17 21:01 |
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| amd-linux | i commute everyday with ms employees so I am quite sure that not all of them are as bad as their bosses | Jan 17 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Also, being a predator is not good for business. | Jan 17 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | The theory on this is clear and so is the history | Jan 17 21:01 |
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| amd-linux | and I know that more and more dont understand the fanatism of the upper managment against FOSS | Jan 17 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | When the corporations were conceived there was loud opposition from conservatives who called it "communism" and dennounced it | Jan 17 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | To treat companies like a human entity is insane | Jan 17 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | And here we are with a broken system that makes up 'mending' rules like antitrust | Jan 17 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | And companies are fooling the world with PR campaign while pillaging. | Jan 17 21:02 |
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| twitter | I will not cry when your commute buddies get fired. | Jan 17 21:03 |
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| amd-linux | well i am just using the same train so not really buddies - actually i dont know them but i listen to their talks | Jan 17 21:03 |
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| twitter | it must be sickening | Jan 17 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Probably not | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| amd-linux | well it is not in redmond :-) so here they are not as lack and white as in the US | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | But they should not serve a company that violates the law | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| amd-linux | I met one guy from MSN who uses firefox.... :-) | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oberying orders for cash or food does not justify the conditions under which these are necessary | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| amd-linux | true | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | If that were the case and you were in Russia, then you might as well join a botnet ring | Jan 17 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | It might even make you rich | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| amd-linux | but me thinks most of them dont know what happened around MSOOXML tc | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| twitter | if they find out, they will be fired | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| amd-linux | many of them consider this just business tactics :-( | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Many MS employees use Google and Firefox | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| amd-linux | but not Ballmers kids :-) | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | The white-collar typos are nervous to see this | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | I bet he spanks them hard | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | But let's not talk about his personal life.... | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| amd-linux | lol | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Bribery is not a busines tactics | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| twitter | what makes you think he spends time with his kids? | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Sacking people in _other companies_ (or states) is not business tactis | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| twitter | he's too busy with his big important job for that. | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Explain to them what happened | Jan 17 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Some people just clog up their ears and sing lalalala | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| twitter | you can't talk to them | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of criminal nations are the same | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| amd-linux | well if this earns u a nice home.... | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | broadcast helps them rid themselves of guild | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | *guilt | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| amd-linux | then many close their ears | Jan 17 21:08 |
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| twitter | It's like the secretary in Hitler's bunker. She heard everything but never felt responsible. | Jan 17 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | People are easy to program | Jan 17 21:09 |
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| twitter | People want to believe their leaders and employers no matter how brutal and wrong they are. | Jan 17 21:09 |
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| amd-linux | hmmm lets not compare MS with Hitler - as a German I have difficulties with that | Jan 17 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's what makes us just high-class chimpanzees | Jan 17 21:09 |
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| amd-linux | I mean MS is ruthless, but they did not kill 6 million people.... | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | More | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | There are also the wars | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| twitter | they push patent law and deprive the world of life saving drugs | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Some nations are still invading other countries | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | And people are taught that they "Do the Right Thing" | Jan 17 21:10 |
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| twitter | As an American, I have a lot to learn from people like Hitler's secretary. | Jan 17 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | WT*? Look at this headlne: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_faces_long_... | Jan 17 21:11 |
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| twitter | I am responsible for Iraq and Gaza. | Jan 17 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Did Todd attend the presentations from James and Marshall Goldberg? | Jan 17 21:11 |
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| amd-linux | hehe i like this stats | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | You ought to see hotmail vs gmail | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Google might soon be the number 1 E-mail domain :-) | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| twitter | hotmail is dying | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | People leave | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | There were some posts I did about it | Jan 17 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | 2 last month. It's been measured.. | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| twitter | bbl, I'm going to escape to Wii and my comfortable suburban life for a while | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | The chart in Bishop's blog is bad | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | oh, 2 mails | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | This comes from a source that's flattering to MS | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | one from virgin | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | this is starting to get funney | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Others show a decline from 9% to 5% for MS in a single year | Jan 17 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | But the MS bloggers won't show it... it's too embarrassing. | Jan 17 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Customer Concern? | Jan 17 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | Customer Complaints Manager | Jan 17 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | we are going up the food chain! | Jan 17 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | digital signature, but still, better than it was before | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | it still looks like a prefab, though | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | there's better news, though | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Food chain? | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Bon appetite, PetoKraus | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | "I am pleased to inform you that you have been shortlisted for a Club 21 Placement." | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | hell yeah! | Jan 17 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Club 21? | Jan 17 21:16 |
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| PetoKraus | it's uni work placement network | Jan 17 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Drinking age in the US? | Jan 17 21:16 |
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| PetoKraus | this one is in some chemistry company... well paid (€£210 per week) | Jan 17 21:16 |
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| PetoKraus | (well paid for students, that is) | Jan 17 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Jan 17 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webhostdir.com/news/showN... "the midst of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression." | Jan 17 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Survey time: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/surve... | Jan 17 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | KDE on about 35%... :-S | Jan 17 21:50 |
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| amd-linux | did u see the latest netcraft stats? Apache up more than 1 percent | Jan 17 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Apache took off sharply | Jan 17 21:50 |
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| amd-linux | MS down nearly 1 % | Jan 17 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | About 6 months ago it lost some steam perhaps cause MS bribes some more hosts to defect | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Every since it grew steadily, BUT | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| amd-linux | Godaddy | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | That too... not only... | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | People forget that Google's hosting s/w is Apache too | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | There's a sort of fragmentation dilemma and cannibalisation in FOSS | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | MS gave up on it all.. in Apache, like in Linux, almost all programmers are paid and they come from tons of companies that /use/ Apache... I'm posting videos about it in BN these days | Jan 17 21:52 |
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| amd-linux | I am just happy to see that their efforts didnt pay on the long term | Jan 17 21:54 |
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| amd-linux | iam using apache as an example why the fairytale of MS insecurity caused by its v | Jan 17 21:54 |
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| amd-linux | broad adoption is just wrong | Jan 17 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bpid=... "On January 1st, a SourceForge (NASDAQ:LNUX) asset, Linux.com announced they were no longer providing news "...Many of you have commented that our NewsVac section hasn't been refreshed since the middle of last month. Others have noticed that our story volume has dropped off. Changes are coming to Linux.com, and until they arrive, you won't see any new stori | Jan 17 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | es on the site." | Jan 17 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Apache is /very/ important. It's a 'market share' myth buster, security myths buster, and "kids in basement" myth buster | Jan 17 21:55 |
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| amd-linux | if this were ture, most apache websites would also e infected as apache | Jan 17 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, GNU/Linux too. | Jan 17 21:56 |
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| amd-linux | basically is the backbone of the web | Jan 17 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux...” Steve Ballmer (September 2008) | Jan 17 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | OMG!!11 it's not less than 1% like Microsoft says | Jan 17 21:56 |
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| amd-linux | cnet btw is up in arms because of the new EU investigation | Jan 17 21:57 |
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| amd-linux | against MS.... | Jan 17 21:57 |
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| amd-linux | but that might also be something politically - we make quite some money from MS :-) | Jan 17 21:58 |
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| amd-linux | 1,7 billion euros as of today just in fines | Jan 17 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Are you referring to Ina Friedshill article? | Jan 17 21:58 |
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| amd-linux | just the headline ""like it is 1999" | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: that's money that Microsoft rook away from EU citiczens | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | In terms of business, not just purchases | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Before FF, Opera was a superb browser | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| amd-linux | hehe but not from me - Linux since kernel 0.99 | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: not just CNET | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | I saw many articles like that... all from MS talking heads/points | Jan 17 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | I posted a few in IRC this morning. | Jan 17 22:00 |
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| amd-linux | even heise.de, quite pro FOSS, was wondering why | Jan 17 22:00 |
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| amd-linux | but when I saw the problems in S. Korea, I understand what they want to prevent | Jan 17 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | ActiveX | Jan 17 22:01 |
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| amd-linux | THAT is a monoculture there OMG | Jan 17 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it yesterday.. Silver Lie is similar | Jan 17 22:01 |
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| amd-linux | S. Korea really painted itself in the corner | Jan 17 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | MS employees wanted to stick to standard. PearlyG instructed them /NOT/ to. | Jan 17 22:02 |
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| amd-linux | they can just beg MS to kepp up compatibility | Jan 17 22:02 |
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| amd-linux | how can a governement sell off its own IT to a foreign company | Jan 17 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Cronies | Jan 17 22:03 |
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| amd-linux | the story about Russia using Linux as "national" OS was interesting | Jan 17 22:04 |
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| amd-linux | we use Linux for hi-sec in our embassies for some yrs now | Jan 17 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of universities and governments (BECTA for example) fall for similar scams right now. | Jan 17 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Bad engineering is made acceptable | Jan 17 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | What if planes crashed as often as Windows? (Soft) Bribery need not be the rationale for selecting technology, but often that's just the case. | Jan 17 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't the German military begin migration to Red Hat? | Jan 17 22:06 |
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| amd-linux | http://www.bsi.bund.de/fachthem/sina/sysb... | Jan 17 22:06 |
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| amd-linux | German language but still interesting | Jan 17 22:06 |
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| amd-linux | unfortunately they are also using SINA for the data maning at the ISPs since beginning of the year here | Jan 17 22:07 |
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| amd-linux | they put a SINA box at they backbone routers and it copies all IP addresses | Jan 17 22:07 |
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| amd-linux | its quite tamprproof | Jan 17 22:08 |
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| amd-linux | well its the law.... George Orwell... | Jan 17 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | In what sense? | Jan 17 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | The raising of Tor operators in Germany...? | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | *rading | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | *raiding | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| amd-linux | data mining? its an EU directive, we have to store all IP addresses | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| amd-linux | for 6 months | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it gets worse | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | In the UK they store packet content too | Jan 17 22:09 |
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| amd-linux | it is stupid as people whp know whtat they want to do will not be caught | Jan 17 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | UK taxpayers fund it with $500 million, IIRC -- to be ALLOCATED to a PRIVATE company. | Jan 17 22:10 |
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| amd-linux | but the content industrie is already trying to exploit this | Jan 17 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | They take away rights | Jan 17 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | The Brown regime takes away all those right using "terrorism" as an excuse... blinding to their own terrorism to, which they raise | Jan 17 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | *too | Jan 17 22:11 |
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| amd-linux | here too | Jan 17 22:11 |
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| amd-linux | terror and chuld p*rn are their arguments | Jan 17 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Of course | Jan 17 22:11 |
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| amd-linux | as if those freaks would not use TOR or paied proxies | Jan 17 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Can't say "yes" to terrorism and child abuse | Jan 17 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | It makes you one of "them"(C) | Jan 17 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | So {people whom demand privacy}={perverts and suicide bombers} | Jan 17 22:12 |
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| amd-linux | but explain that to a female minister who doesnt know who to spell email | Jan 17 22:12 |
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| amd-linux | more or less.... | Jan 17 22:12 |
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| amd-linux | ok gotta go | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | I watched a video about the perntagon last night | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| PetoKraus | porntagon? | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. no. Let me find it. | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, that's a good one. | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-dM... | Jan 17 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | She quit her jobs there (go half-way into the video) and she spoke about how they fabricated things that ignore their intelligence findings. | Jan 17 22:14 |
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