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| for instance, this annoying link http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/p... | Mar 23 18:41 | |
| goes to M$ search crap. | Mar 23 18:41 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I messed up with 1984. Spanish version, I think | Mar 23 18:41 |
| amd-linux | well they might slow down Linux adoption again a bit, but in the end, you can not stop a trend | Mar 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Cat out of the bag.... | Mar 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They tried copyrights and failed | Mar 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Now going to softer stuff. | Mar 23 18:41 |
| amd-linux | they got teared apart here in Germany with their FAT "patent" | Mar 23 18:42 |
| Oh well, thanks anyway. the recent 1984 is brilliant and fun to watch regardless. | Mar 23 18:42 | |
| amd-linux | the court just ripped them, cut them, scliced them | Mar 23 18:42 |
| amd-linux | sliced | Mar 23 18:42 |
| I might have to go rent it | Mar 23 18:42 | |
| amd-linux | still a joy to read the verdict | Mar 23 18:42 |
| scliced sounds about right | Mar 23 18:42 | |
| amd-linux | is it an english word? | Mar 23 18:43 |
| amd-linux | didnt now :-) | Mar 23 18:43 |
| amd-linux | know | Mar 23 18:43 |
| no, just a good alliteration, schhhhh-lice! | Mar 23 18:43 | |
| amd-linux | ;-) | Mar 23 18:43 |
| lots of "shhhh" as the knife goes through piles of paper and corporate lawyer. | Mar 23 18:44 | |
| amd-linux | by intimidating Tom Tom, BTW, they drove them into the arms of the community, me thinks | Mar 23 18:44 |
| amd-linux | reminds me to this guitar producer | Mar 23 18:44 |
| amd-linux | who got searched by the BSA | Mar 23 18:44 |
| Ball? | Mar 23 18:44 | |
| Yes, that's a good story. | Mar 23 18:44 | |
| amd-linux | Right, that was his name one of the first Linux adopter | Mar 23 18:45 |
| amd-linux | enterprise wide i mean | Mar 23 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I've spread the press release, starting here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Mar 23 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It'll be worth writing about later. Microsoft is now facing OIN | Mar 23 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Patent pool | Mar 23 18:49 |
| Google, Chrysler, Red Hat, Lowes, there are lots of big and early adopters. | Mar 23 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had the Myhrvoltroll patent pool.\ | Mar 23 18:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: the song is good: | Mar 23 18:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 23 18:50 |
| Sheesh, even janitors were not spared firing by M$? http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s... | Mar 23 18:50 | |
| that's truly sad | Mar 23 18:50 | |
| schestowitz | Ernie Ball | Mar 23 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, tyche_ | Mar 23 18:50 |
| tyche_ | Morning | Mar 23 18:51 |
| tyche_ | By one minute. Hee hee | Mar 23 18:51 |
| amd-linux | High Noon.... Shoot out at O.K. Corral | Mar 23 18:51 |
| amd-linux | that is what will happen now | Mar 23 18:51 |
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| tyche_ | Oh, the shootout started long ago. I noticed on the TomTom-Linux petition that there are now 267 signatures. I was number 8 | Mar 23 18:53 |
| amd-linux | in NATO language, this is Art. 5 NATO treaty | Mar 23 18:54 |
| amd-linux | http://www.nato.int/docu/bas... | Mar 23 18:54 |
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| amd-linux | the 9/11 for FOSS, so to say | Mar 23 18:54 |
| tyche_ | Ever read http://tycheent.wordpress.com/200... ? | Mar 23 18:55 |
| amd-linux | yes, I know. But their attitude might change | Mar 23 18:56 |
| amd-linux | that is what I meant with driven in the arms of the community | Mar 23 18:56 |
| amd-linux | the enemy of your enemy is your friend.... | Mar 23 18:56 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, http://code.google.com/p/qwit/ | Mar 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | tyche_: let me look | Mar 23 18:58 |
| schestowitz | tyche_: yes, I linked to it several times. | Mar 23 18:58 |
| tyche_ | Thanks. "All contributions are greatfully received" Hee hee | Mar 23 18:59 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/tomtom... | Mar 23 19:00 |
| tyche_ | trmanco: Yep. SJVN is a strong voice for free software and free standards. | Mar 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | "...here we SCO again!" | Mar 23 19:01 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | tyche_: not Free software | Mar 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | He's 'pragmatist' | Mar 23 19:01 |
| tyche_ | Yea, that term suits him. | Mar 23 19:01 |
| *trmanco hates philosophy | Mar 23 19:01 | |
| tyche_ | Oh, I don't know about that. He defended me against a troll when OO.o was setting up a technical committee. | Mar 23 19:02 |
| amd-linux | Well, I also like him being pragmatic. And he is writing quite entertaining so that people without FOSS background can read his articles | Mar 23 19:04 |
| schestowitz | If I turn "<" to "<" in JavaScript, will it work? | Mar 23 19:05 |
| amd-linux | on the other side, he is usually "only" summarizing recent news and issues but usually not really investigating | Mar 23 19:05 |
| schestowitz | The validator is complaining | Mar 23 19:05 |
| amd-linux | ROFL | Mar 23 19:06 |
| tyche_ | amd-linux: True, he summarizes what others have reported. But he does it from a lawyer's point of view. | Mar 23 19:06 |
| amd-linux | just saw the pic with ballmer | Mar 23 19:06 |
| amd-linux | Loooool! | Mar 23 19:06 |
| amd-linux | puppet player | Mar 23 19:06 |
| amd-linux | great! | Mar 23 19:06 |
| amd-linux | He is a lawyer? Didn't know that. | Mar 23 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Ah! | Mar 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I fixed the plugin's xhtml validity | Mar 23 19:09 |
| tyche_ | I believe so. If not, he definitely has legal knowledge/experience, even if it isn't through formal training. I've seen him in action in that OO.o mailing list. Ruthless. | Mar 23 19:10 |
| *schestowitz goes to submit a patch | Mar 23 19:10 | |
| Balrog | schestowitz: don't makd that error too much :P | Mar 23 19:17 |
| Balrog | make * | Mar 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | It won;t work.. http://bytes.com/groups/javas... | Mar 23 19:17 |
| amd-linux | aargh... regex.... you can grill a brain with them | Mar 23 19:18 |
| amd-linux | at least mine ;-) | Mar 23 19:18 |
| Balrog | :{ | Mar 23 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if I could move the JS outside the file... | Mar 23 19:20 |
| trmanco | crap | Mar 23 19:23 |
| trmanco | anybody know the link of an article that stated that playboy was using silvilight? | Mar 23 19:24 |
| trmanco | I posted it here yesterday, but I forgot about the link | Mar 23 19:24 |
| playboy a whore for M$? say it ain't so! | Mar 23 19:24 | |
| Balrog | silverlight 3 beta came out recently :( | Mar 23 19:25 |
| amd-linux | not me but a good reason to visit playboy site :-) | Mar 23 19:25 |
| don't see any link to "playboy" here. | Mar 23 19:25 | |
| oh wait, here you are http://www.extremetech.com... | Mar 23 19:26 | |
| amd-linux | http://playboy.covertocover.com/ | Mar 23 19:26 |
| amd-linux | from the source :-) | Mar 23 19:26 |
| trmanco | twitter, yeah that's it, thanks | Mar 23 19:26 |
| I live less than a mile from LSU and don't need spank mags, but thanks. | Mar 23 19:27 | |
| amd-linux | MS is"investing" heavily in Silverlight adoption | Mar 23 19:27 |
| schestowitz | It seems like a validator error: http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/s... | Mar 23 19:27 |
| schestowitz | The CDATA stuff is already done | Mar 23 19:27 |
| So many investments with so little return. | Mar 23 19:27 | |
| Rejoice, all the bankers are saved (again) http://online.wsj.com/articl... | Mar 23 19:28 | |
| They get trillions in taxpayer money and get to keep everyone's house too. It's a wonderful life! | Mar 23 19:29 | |
| amd-linux | if there is one good aspect with regard to silverlight it is the competition - in the end, Adobe finally might open source Flash | Mar 23 19:29 |
| amd-linux | so far, they at least open up the specs | Mar 23 19:30 |
| I'd rather see people just use embedded video. | Mar 23 19:30 | |
| amd-linux | well but for games and animation this is not enough | Mar 23 19:30 |
| Gnash is more significant competition. | Mar 23 19:30 | |
| amd-linux | browser games are very popular here in germany | Mar 23 19:30 |
| amd-linux | can not be done without Flash | Mar 23 19:30 |
| amd-linux | at the moment | Mar 23 19:30 |
| I see people use them. Games or freedom, what a choice. | Mar 23 19:30 | |
| trmanco | <video></video> tag is the future | Mar 23 19:31 |
| trmanco | for videos... | Mar 23 19:31 |
| that will be nice | Mar 23 19:31 | |
| Google should get on it first. | Mar 23 19:31 | |
| amd-linux | I am also looking forward for FF 3.5 | Mar 23 19:32 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: W3c still complains about <video> | Mar 23 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I can't validate with it | Mar 23 19:32 |
| schestowitz | And now this stupid JS pain. | Mar 23 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I give up | Mar 23 19:32 |
| amd-linux | lol | Mar 23 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Validation or not, no broser can fail badly on that. | Mar 23 19:32 |
| amd-linux | Roy, you becoming pragmatic? ;-) | Mar 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | It's like I have to feel embarrassed about putting Oggs in the pages | Mar 23 19:33 |
| thumbnail + link to movie should be good for everyone. | Mar 23 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | Flash has always been a mess | Mar 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | For XHTML that is | Mar 23 19:33 |
| konqueror does in new tab movies very nicely | Mar 23 19:33 | |
| _Hicham_2 | svg is the future | Mar 23 19:33 |
| amd-linux | Flash is a resource eater | Mar 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | MS hates SVG | Mar 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | It refuses to support it | Mar 23 19:33 |
| _Hicham_2 | fuck flash | Mar 23 19:33 |
| fuck M$ | Mar 23 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | It makes proprietary subs | Mar 23 19:34 |
| amd-linux | f-word? try this: http://playboy.covertocover.com/ | Mar 23 19:34 |
| _Hicham_2 | viva svg | Mar 23 19:34 |
| amd-linux | ;-) | Mar 23 19:34 |
| amd-linux | SCNR | Mar 23 19:34 |
| _Hicham_2 | viva open source | Mar 23 19:34 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 23 19:34 |
| freedom | Mar 23 19:34 | |
| _Hicham_2 | there is nothing like freedom | Mar 23 19:34 |
| amd-linux | worst with Flash are the Flash cookies.... a privacy nightmare | Mar 23 19:35 |
| _Hicham_2 | and on Windows, it is a System Service | Mar 23 19:35 |
| nice | Mar 23 19:35 | |
| what a service | Mar 23 19:35 | |
| trmanco | any web scripting language has it's privacy risks | Mar 23 19:35 |
| _Hicham_2 | and u know what it means a system service | Mar 23 19:35 |
| amd-linux | only solution is to link ~/.macromedia to /dev/nul | Mar 23 19:35 |
| trmanco | l | Mar 23 19:36 |
| _Hicham_2 | twitter : a service that is started by the special user SYSTEM | Mar 23 19:36 |
| _Hicham_2 | and it is hidden | Mar 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Google knows what people watch | Mar 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Adsense/analytics | Mar 23 19:37 |
| interesting. I actually have an old system with a .macromedia directory. Must have had flash on it once through Mepis. | Mar 23 19:37 | |
| rm .macromedia/ -r | Mar 23 19:38 | |
| that was easy | Mar 23 19:38 | |
| amd-linux | look through it - you might find all the old pr0n from yrs ago | Mar 23 19:38 |
| amd-linux | ;-) | Mar 23 19:38 |
| what makes you think I lost my porn? | Mar 23 19:38 | |
| amd-linux | ahm.... nothing, sir.. | Mar 23 19:39 |
| amd-linux | ;-) | Mar 23 19:39 |
| can't ever recall seeing a flash porn site, double ick. | Mar 23 19:39 | |
| don't think you can lose .macromedia so easily on Winblows | Mar 23 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | .macromedia/ is not the problem | Mar 23 19:40 |
| _Hicham_2 | Windows locks the used files | Mar 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | It's your HDD | Mar 23 19:40 |
| imagines a multigigabye registry file | Mar 23 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | It's what's not on your HDD that's an issue | Mar 23 19:40 |
| amd-linux | no offense intended, just a matte rof fact that porn is one of the most popular contents on the web | Mar 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Unless they can probe too | Mar 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | E.g. is Flash can send back the list to others | Mar 23 19:40 |
| so can my ISP | Mar 23 19:41 | |
| amd-linux | http://www.imasuper.com/66/technolog... | Mar 23 19:41 |
| it is a shame we can not trust people who provide technical services | Mar 23 19:41 | |
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| GWB made things much worse | Mar 23 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | DNA's shapes could give clues to function < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2012... > | Mar 23 19:44 |
| _Hicham_2 | twitter : free services are not really free | Mar 23 19:45 |
| _Hicham_2 | twitter : u r paying in either way | Mar 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of privacy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... | Mar 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | They should grill the government over its approval of this thing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h... | Mar 23 19:45 |
| _Hicham_2 | twitter : if u don't pay with money, you will pay with sthg else | Mar 23 19:45 |
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| not always. Gnash comes without strings. | Mar 23 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | "Nicholas Hughes hangs himself at his home in Alaska 46 years after his mother gassed herself" < http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/... > | Mar 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the second Great Depression will raise the suicide levels considerably. This is not good. | Mar 23 19:47 |
| suicide/murder | Mar 23 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | Might be | Mar 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20... (Filmmaker Releases Film Via All Torrent Sites, Says Pay If You Like It) | Mar 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | And they try to just kill torrent, don't they...? | Mar 23 19:49 |
| amd-linux | there is a restaurant in London (?) that offers the same - pay if you like it. and you dont believe it they make more money than before, they said on TV | Mar 23 19:50 |
| amd-linux | because people give more than the actual price would have been on the menu | Mar 23 19:51 |
| amd-linux | however that would not work here :_) | Mar 23 19:51 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Mar 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Why not in Germany? | Mar 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | London -- OK. Old London was wealthy in some parts of it | Mar 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | East London won't bring the same RoI | Mar 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Amazon_s_Lin... | Mar 23 19:59 |
| amd-linux | well not saying whole of Germany, but my region where I am from is a part of Germany where we say that the Scottish where banned from our region | Mar 23 19:59 |
| amd-linux | because of luxury | Mar 23 19:59 |
| amd-linux | so essentially it is unlikely that many people would pay at all | Mar 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: I want to find a video to show you. | Mar 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | But I might not find it | Mar 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | Mar 23 20:00 |
| amd-linux | the reataurant? | Mar 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | It's about how black people see white people | Mar 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Very comical... uses Bavaria as a reference, IIRC | Mar 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | A friend E-mailed it to me | Mar 23 20:01 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Mar 23 20:02 |
| amd-linux | we have a lot of tourists here, during oktoberfest many english people | Mar 23 20:03 |
| amd-linux | man, are some of them drunk | Mar 23 20:03 |
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| amd-linux | behind the tents of oktoberfest, there is unique smell.... | Mar 23 20:03 |
| amd-linux | I dont want to go into details :-) | Mar 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I'll check my mail archive | Mar 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it | Mar 23 20:04 |
| amd-linux | but if you find the link pls post it here, I will check the archive tomorrow | Mar 23 20:04 |
| amd-linux | gotta go now good evening everybody | Mar 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | re: TomTomaginot Line (OIN): "It would seem that the M$ reign of terror is coming to an end. And, it cannot happen to soon enough for me ! " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s... | Mar 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the US convoys that try to destroy socialism in South America because it's 'infectious'...... trying to ruin one deployment at a time but failing badly. http://apcmag.com/french-police-sw... | Mar 23 20:10 |
| MinceR | is TomTom winning or something? | Mar 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Giving Microsoft a big PR pain | Mar 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | MS vs OIN | Mar 23 20:12 |
| MinceR | OIN? | Mar 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Not long from now PearlyG will need to pull Myhrvoltroll out of his sack | Mar 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | When men were men they fought with swords | Mar 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Then they fought with code | Mar 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Enigma | Mar 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Now they fight with pieces of paper | Mar 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Patent applications in a pile | Mar 23 20:14 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't even know what a man is | Mar 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They have two | Mar 23 20:15 |
| MinceR | who? | Mar 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | With squeaky voices | Mar 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | One bobs back and fourth like a pigeon and another barks like a CHIWAWA | Mar 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is suffering during the financial crisis." http://lodahl.blogspot.com/... | Mar 23 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Be sure to check this one out: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009... | Mar 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Fraud at Barclays, brought to you by wikileaks | Mar 23 20:18 |
| balzac | Looks like M$ lawsuit against Tom Tom has gone to the birds | Mar 23 20:23 |
| schestowitz | You heard the Enderle shill | Mar 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They wanted a quick settlement | Mar 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | He tried to do a favour for his buddies by intimidating TomTom | Mar 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "Linux doesn't care about you... you are going out of business, blah blah.." | Mar 23 20:27 |
| balzac | I just read your top story on BN | Mar 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | And Matt Asay foolishly enough picked the bait from Microsoft and smeared it on the walls | Mar 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Mar 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like with kids whom you tell not to play with Pooh... or Endere | Mar 23 20:27 |
| balzac | They've licensed with OIN so M$ can't shake them down. Isn't that a correct reading of it? | Mar 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | We'll see later. IANAL. | Mar 23 20:28 |
| balzac | And they're counter-suing MS, right? | Mar 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... | Mar 23 20:28 |
| balzac | IANAL = I am not a lawyer | Mar 23 20:29 |
| I'm starting a predatory lending blog. Links to interesting analysis will be appreciated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jou... | Mar 23 20:29 | |
| balzac | If the blogger formerly known as "Wonkette" says "IANAL" she might be talking about something else. | Mar 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | She adds nothing significant, IMHO | Mar 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | twitter: aren't they *all* predatory? | Mar 23 20:31 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: those squeaky things don't sound like men :> | Mar 23 20:31 |
| balzac | except for some salacious and funny comments | Mar 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It's like "funny clown" | Mar 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Or "smelly pig" | Mar 23 20:31 |
| balzac | Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus" | Mar 23 20:32 |
| balzac | http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/i... | Mar 23 20:32 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: bull. He's a grown bull... at least physically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCmnRztK1Y Thinks like a 5 year ols though | Mar 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | balzac: bravo to him | Mar 23 20:32 |
| balzac | Chavez is probably the only guy who can talk trash about Obama and suffer no loss of stature as a result. | Mar 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I posted this here in the afternoon | Mar 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I like Chavez | Mar 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Did you know he recommends Chomsky's writings? To the UK assembly even. | Mar 23 20:33 |
| balzac | Yeah, I said on my DailyKos blog that Chavez was my president back in 2006. | Mar 23 20:33 |
| balzac | not under a pseudonym | Mar 23 20:33 |
| balzac | yep | Mar 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not Obama's fault | Mar 23 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It's not his fault that he's ignorasmus. They make him that way. gnorasms make 'good' leaders, more like front men. No knowledge, no consciousness. | Mar 23 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Like in 1984, "ignorance is strength" | Mar 23 20:35 |
| balzac | Well, I'm pretty happy about Obama, except that I am definitely not ok with the predator drones in Pakistan. | Mar 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | When Owell worked at the BBC he spoke about how they deliberately told lies -- "propaganda", not information | Mar 23 20:35 |
| balzac | Thankfully, he's talking about exit-plan from Afghanistan | Mar 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | He actually said that, when working for them, maybe afterwards. | Mar 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Talk is cheap | Mar 23 20:36 |
| balzac | indeed | Mar 23 20:36 |
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| balzac | Obama should have made Kucinich head of the DOJ | Mar 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... | Mar 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or Jackson | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | He said the truth and got canned | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | he said Microsoft needed to face criminal charges | Mar 23 20:37 |
| balzac | Jackson from the MS case. | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | He also called them "criminals" | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Said the truth b asically | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Like Chavez | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Saying the truth gets one in trouble | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | We're meant to recite consensus | Mar 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Penfield yeah.. | Mar 23 20:37 |
| balzac | well, I'd say deputy AG for Judge Jackson. Prosecuting Bush is a just little bit more of a high priority than prosecuting MS. | Mar 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable < http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/ne... > Old journalism is dying. | Mar 23 20:38 |
| balzac | Prosecuting Microsoft is way down the list. There's about 100+ members of congress who should go to jail first. | Mar 23 20:39 |
| balzac | But I'm glad Jackson put criminal charges on the table for that case. | Mar 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Splitting Microsoft | Mar 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You know what happened then, right? | Mar 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | GWB came into the house (haus!) | Mar 23 20:40 |
| balzac | The "Supreme" court over-ruled the election results and Bush over-ruled Penfield. | Mar 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | So it's all connected. Microsoft contributes a lot to candidates in more than one way. | Mar 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Theft of the election is another thing | Mar 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Sad for the United States | Mar 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Which is apt at slamming the elections at other countries. | Mar 23 20:41 |
| _Hicham_1 | the United States is a bad example for the world | Mar 23 20:42 |
| balzac | Beer Hall Butsch took over der Vite Haus | Mar 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | KY Election Officials Arrested, Charged With 'Changing Votes at E-Voting Machines'< http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7001 > | Mar 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_1: which is a good example in your eyes? | Mar 23 20:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | balzac : I will vote for u to be the president of the US :D | Mar 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I think Finland has the least corruption? | Mar 23 20:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : Scandinavian countries | Mar 23 20:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : exactly | Mar 23 20:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | u got it | Mar 23 20:43 |
| balzac | _Hicham_1: thanks, but I'd prefer to remain in the private sector. | Mar 23 20:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | there is no better democracy than in Scandinavian countries | Mar 23 20:44 |
| balzac | Maybe you can help me as an entrepreneur instead. | Mar 23 20:44 |
| _Hicham_1 | is ur business going well? | Mar 23 20:44 |
| balzac | www.disruptech.com | Mar 23 20:44 |
| balzac | Like Steve Ballmer screamed "Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!" | Mar 23 20:45 |
| balzac | That's what I need to get my business moving. | Mar 23 20:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | it is said that MS is developer centric | Mar 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they rely on developers | Mar 23 20:46 |
| _Hicham_1 | is that true Roy? | Mar 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Centric means what here? | Mar 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They they rely on free labour | Mar 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | And if you succeed like Netscape, then they steal your business | Mar 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | "cut the air supply" | Mar 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Developers know to well to stay away from Microsoft.. It's a predator. | Mar 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They are happy as long as your software increases Microsoft sales, e.g. Windows | Mar 23 20:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | that means here that it is the developers who take decisions | Mar 23 20:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | not pure managers | Mar 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Kind of like Bush.... Iraq is cool, as long as it bring home the oil (or bacon) | Mar 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It's a natural tendency for corporations and nations | Mar 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Nations ARE corporations | Mar 23 20:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | Iraq is fucked while the world was watching | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | In most modern nations the companies run the nation | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Adverttise the candidates | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux is Switzerland status | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Safe for developers | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Windodw sis not | Mar 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Which is why FOSS devs should be warned about becoming vassals to Windows | Mar 23 20:49 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : Windows is safer for developers | Mar 23 20:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | it brings a lot of money | Mar 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | To whom? | Mar 23 20:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | to developers | Mar 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | There are a lot of competition there. | Mar 23 20:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | Windows is taking over 95% of the desktop | Mar 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | It's not as though making AutoCAD cross platform would mean less money | Mar 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Not 95% | Mar 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Less than 90% | Mar 23 20:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | how much? | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Desktop onlu | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | are u sure? | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | *ly | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, pretty much so | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | yes, desktop | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | very much | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | so commercial apps will still go Windows | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux is big in countries other than the US, UK, AU... | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | There's Wine | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | especially Games | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Some test it for wine compatibility | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Consoles | Mar 23 20:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | not the same performance | Mar 23 20:51 |
| schestowitz | For games | Mar 23 20:51 |
| MinceR | consoles suck | Mar 23 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 23 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Like people who spend 100 hrs/wee gaming | Mar 23 20:52 |
| _Hicham_1 | that is not how game developers are gonna be attracted | Mar 23 20:52 |
| balzac | _Hicham_1: I'm quite interested in game-development | Mar 23 20:53 |
| _Hicham_1 | Roy : games and porn are the main uses of computers | Mar 23 20:53 |
| _Hicham_1 | and u know that | Mar 23 20:53 |
| balzac | There will be big changes with all the proprietary software and high-end hardware drivers | Mar 23 20:53 |
| balzac | Games are going to be liberated and it's going to be a body-blow to Microsoft when that industry reaches the tipping-point towards being based on FOSS. | Mar 23 20:54 |
| _Hicham_1 | gamers are not very patient | Mar 23 20:54 |
| _Hicham_1 | not with what is it like today | Mar 23 20:54 |
| balzac | gamers - I don't concern myself with the gamers who don't care about software freedom. | Mar 23 20:54 |
| balzac | they are the market-share to be harvested from proprietary game companies, but I won't waste time trying to make them care. I just want to make great games which captivate them. | Mar 23 20:55 |
| _Hicham_1 | balzac : if we want to combat microsoft , we should concern ourselves about gamers, and movie watchers | Mar 23 20:55 |
| _Hicham_1 | to captivate people, u must make things easy | Mar 23 20:55 |
| balzac | but I have lots of ambition and not much else. | Mar 23 20:55 |
| _Hicham_1 | kinda Ubuntu like | Mar 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | French police switch from Windows to Linux < http://apcmag.com/french-police-s... > | Mar 23 20:55 |
| _Hicham_1 | i know balzac | Mar 23 20:56 |
| _Hicham_1 | i like ur website by the way | Mar 23 20:56 |
| balzac | thanks | Mar 23 20:56 |
| _Hicham_1 | did u design it by urself? | Mar 23 20:56 |
| balzac | It's the acquia Marina theme, but I wrote the content and made the slide show you see. | Mar 23 20:57 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_1: mint handles media OK. PCLOS likewise | Mar 23 20:57 |
| schestowitz | So media is not a big issue | Mar 23 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Myth rather | Mar 23 20:57 |
| balzac | _Hicham_1: what is your area of expertise? | Mar 23 20:57 |
| balzac | please msg me about it | Mar 23 20:57 |
| _Hicham_1 | balzac : i dont have an area exactly | Mar 23 20:59 |
| balzac | well, let's discuss briefly anyway | Mar 23 20:59 |
| _Hicham_1 | balzac : do u use the xmlsitemap module? | Mar 23 20:59 |
| balzac | not yet | Mar 23 20:59 |
| balzac | check pm | Mar 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Is Ballmer conceding victory to Linux Netbooks? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505... > Dumping software = losing | Mar 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | There are many rebuttals to a troll article. This is foolish. I personally thinks it's better not to feed the trolls from IDG. They'll carry on provoking Firefox users for traffic if you feed them. | Mar 23 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Another pusher for assimilating all Linux users..... making them more like Windows, so what would be achieved? Centralizing Linux < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/0... > | Mar 23 21:22 |
| talk of nationalization, -> “It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off, rather than heavily subsidize or bribe asset managers into taking part in this program,” said Windheim, whose firm manages $1.7 billion in assets. “It’s the same managers who got us into the financial mess who are now going to benefit.” | Mar 23 21:28 | |
| http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi... | Mar 23 21:28 | |
| going to look at Ballmer's defeat | Mar 23 21:29 | |
| trmanco | takes it's time to load the page :| | Mar 23 21:30 |
| trmanco | ah, finally | Mar 23 21:30 |
| ha ha, Ballmer is wrong on two counts. First, the supposed $500 for the Apple logo is worth it because the computer works - that's not something that can be said for Vista. | Mar 23 21:31 | |
| second, the $500 difference is not visible on M$ laptops anyway. for that, you have to get a GNU/Linux laptop which also happens to work. | Mar 23 21:31 | |
| MinceR | let's not get carried away with the superlatives now | Mar 23 21:32 |
| MinceR | next time you're going to say that a usable apple product exists | Mar 23 21:32 |
| Compare Dell's luxury laptop to Mac's Air. The Dell cost more, but both are $2000 computers | Mar 23 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | KDE4/QT4 client for Identi.ca and twitter: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/s... | Mar 23 21:32 |
| Apple makes things that are usable, but not things that are free. | Mar 23 21:33 | |
| trmanco | I have to agree with twitter | Mar 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | “It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... | Mar 23 21:34 |
| MinceR | comparing a dell to a mac is like trying to decide which piece of turd is better | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | In a way | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Mac vs PC = cock fight | Mar 23 21:35 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Addresses nothing about real changes | Mar 23 21:35 |
| MinceR | i'd specify it more as "windows pc" | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Like choosing which death | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Both cocks (roosters) peck at each other | Mar 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | And harm users | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Mocking one another too | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Bribing politicians | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Spending billions on imposed stupidity | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | (advertising) | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Linux doesn't do this spiel | Mar 23 21:36 |
| trmanco | and blinding each other | Mar 23 21:36 |
| schestowitz | And it works really, really well. | Mar 23 21:36 |
| sure but the M$ side is completely idiotic because their crap ends up costing more and never works. | Mar 23 21:36 | |
| Every M$ argument against software freedom is provided better by Apple. | Mar 23 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ uptime | Mar 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | 21:17:00 up 56 days, 11:18, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.20, 0.17 | Mar 23 21:37 |
| you have reliable power, Roy. | Mar 23 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, admittedly | Mar 23 21:37 |
| trmanco | yeah... | Mar 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | No need to UPS | Mar 23 21:37 |
| my laptops look like that. | Mar 23 21:37 | |
| trmanco | I need to get myself a UPS | Mar 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | In certain areas the supply is more erratic for gegraphical reasons | Mar 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Like storms | Mar 23 21:38 |
| I have UPS but it only works for an hour or so before I have to put my systems down. | Mar 23 21:38 | |
| The fault here is ratty utility lines | Mar 23 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Storms don't help, do they? | Mar 23 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to keep it in check and rebuild I imagine.... | Mar 23 21:39 |
| trmanco | yeah, but it's better than cutting you computer/system power, directly | Mar 23 21:39 |
| Out of state contractors were shocked at the poor quality of work they were told to re create after the last hurricane. | Mar 23 21:39 | |
| trmanco | a 15 minute ups system would be great for me | Mar 23 21:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | trmanco : it is cheap then | Mar 23 21:39 |
| It's really a pain in the ass to have to shell into my boxes and shut them down. | Mar 23 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | Flameheadline: Is Linux only for the poor? < http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2285 > | Mar 23 21:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | a 15 min UPS is less than a $100 | Mar 23 21:40 |
| trmanco | yeah I know | Mar 23 21:40 |
| the real benefit is isolating the systems from wild swings as the lines go up and down. | Mar 23 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | I can recall outages in 2006 | Mar 23 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Usually it uninterrupted for years. | Mar 23 21:42 |
| trmanco | power in my area sucks, with heavy rain are a little of thunder, the power lines will get unstable | Mar 23 21:42 |
| trmanco | or* | Mar 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | The European Commission replied again today only to confirm that it's willing to shoot itself in the foot | Mar 23 21:46 |
| Chris Dawson .... Windows user writing about GNU/Linux. Why do magazines do that? | Mar 23 21:46 | |
| "we still largely use Windows and OS X, despite my fondness for Linux. We’ve been granted the funding to do so in the last couple of years and my primary goal has been instructional integration of computing, rather than worrying about training for a Linux roll out" | Mar 23 21:46 | |
| WTF? Better to do that "training" now than be forced to do it with Vista. | Mar 23 21:46 | |
| schestowitz | They don't respect their own instructions or directives. | Mar 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Dawson is OK | Mar 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I used to slam him blindly for a short whole only because I confused him with Marc Wagner | Mar 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They shared the "education" blog | Mar 23 21:47 |
| schestowitz | There's a colleague of his who's a sucker for Microsoft and Linux hater | Mar 23 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Dawson is kind of fanboyish | Mar 23 21:48 |
| I'm not slamming him, only commenting on the fact that the magazine needs to have a GNU/Linux desktop user writing about GNU/Linux | Mar 23 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | Nothing breaking... just jingling Linux banal stuff. | Mar 23 21:48 |
| He's also swallowed the "training" lie. | Mar 23 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | Which? | Mar 23 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ZDNET? | Mar 23 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Inherently corrupt | Mar 23 21:49 |
| See above quote for training lie, which he's used for his own planning. | Mar 23 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | The only Linux user they have there AFAIK is Zonker and he's with MS/Novell | Mar 23 21:49 |
| Eeeek! | Mar 23 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | WTF is this site? | Mar 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu haters? | Mar 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://ubuntard.com/2009/03/bl... | Mar 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntard? | Mar 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | It's a new site | Mar 23 21:50 |
| nice | Mar 23 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://ubuntard.com/about/ | Mar 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Trolls. | Mar 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don't know why Susan fed 'em | Mar 23 21:51 |
| trmanco | just rm -fr that | Mar 23 21:53 |
| there was a site offering awful Debian Administration advice. had debian in the url too | Mar 23 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.christian-loose.de/2009/... "Both features will be available with KDE 4.3. Have fun!" | Mar 23 21:53 |
| cool | Mar 23 21:54 | |
| trmanco | http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/20... | Mar 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | OOXML Assim Não! | Mar 23 22:50 |
| trmanco | :) | Mar 23 22:50 |
| trmanco | makes perfect sense | Mar 23 22:50 |
| trmanco | (your phrase) | Mar 23 22:51 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 23 22:54 |
| trmanco | ? | Mar 23 22:55 |
| MinceR | good night | Mar 23 23:02 |
| trmanco | ah ok, gn to you too | Mar 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | gn=gnome. He's logging off kde and coming back in a minute | Mar 23 23:06 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 23 23:11 |
| MinceR | :/ | Mar 23 23:13 |
| _Hicham_1 | OOXML pisses me off | Mar 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Corruption *is* annoying, esp. when others turn a cold shoulder to it | Mar 23 23:38 |
| balzac | _Hicham_1: why no email? | Mar 23 23:48 |
| _Hicham_1 | my email? | Mar 23 23:54 |