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| tessier_ | The guy was paid 4M but what about the remaining charge in the SEC investigation? | Apr 24 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft "settled" | Apr 24 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Translation: Microsoft bribes them to sod off. | Apr 24 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Novell did this too when investors charged them with fraud | Apr 24 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Very common because the SEC is corruptible | Apr 24 00:03 |
| tessier_ | I'm not sure paying a fine for doing a wrong is the same as bribing someone. I got a speeding ticket 9 months ago and paid a fine and the issue went away. Did I bribe the government? | Apr 24 00:03 |
| tessier_ | I do think that perhaps the fine needed to be much bigger though. And if MS were still doing this it would be in the SEC's interest to continue to pursue it to collect ever bigger fines/bribes. | Apr 24 00:04 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it was never concluded | Apr 24 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft promised not to so it again and paid the SEC after paying Charlie to destory evidence | Apr 24 00:05 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 24 00:06 |
| schestowitz | tessier: read this too: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/0... | Apr 24 00:07 |
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| oiaohm | I guess you did the maths on what would happen if MS has equal drop in profits next cycle. They started at about 4.5 they are now 3. So same loss again is half. | Apr 24 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Apr 24 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They hide the severity | Apr 24 00:17 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people fall for their trap | Apr 24 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Its worse | Apr 24 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Look at orcale about 50 percent of there costs are development. | Apr 24 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Same with most other tech companies. | Apr 24 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Only about 1/4 of MS costs are development. | Apr 24 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie 50 percent of Orcales revune stream goes into development. | Apr 24 00:19 |
| oiaohm | If MS trys to do that they will go backwards. | Apr 24 00:19 |
| schestowitz | They don't want to collaboate | Apr 24 00:20 |
| schestowitz | They want their precious 'IP' | Apr 24 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Orcale does nto collaborate on key projects either. | Apr 24 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is if you are not spending the money on you products to make good products everyone gets lemons. | Apr 24 00:24 |
| oiaohm | MS puts way too much into marketing. Think how little you hear from Orcales marketing department. The dependablity sells Oracle. | Apr 24 00:24 |
| tessier_ | Way too much into marketing? Seems like it has served them quite well so far. | Apr 24 00:28 |
| tessier_ | You don't hear much from Oracle because you aren't a target for Oracle's product. | Apr 24 00:29 |
| tessier_ | It's not something an individual would ever buy. | Apr 24 00:29 |
| tessier_ | I do see Oracle ads in the CIO magazines though. | Apr 24 00:29 |
| tessier_ | Although I try hard not to read such crap. You end up running across them occasionally. | Apr 24 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Look at the CIO magazines again. MS places more on adverage. | Apr 24 00:33 |
| tessier_ | Their product has a much broader base. | Apr 24 00:33 |
| tessier_ | And MS doesn't really compete with Oracle. I don't know of anyone who seriously considers SQL Server on the high end. | Apr 24 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Yep MS spends money on full page ads saying that. | Apr 24 00:34 |
| oiaohm | MS marketing spends ages trying to make people believe stuff that is not true. | Apr 24 00:34 |
| tessier_ | Yep | Apr 24 00:34 |
| oiaohm | That makes lots and lots of there marketing spending not effective. | Apr 24 00:35 |
| oiaohm | You do need a good product to sell or you just waste money. | Apr 24 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Good product request the investment in it. MS is really not doing. | Apr 24 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Apr 24 00:37 |
| schestowitz | "The "Windows division" brought 2.5/2.98 = 84% of the total profits. € [I | Apr 24 00:37 |
| schestowitz | think maybe they should have said "Client division".]" | Apr 24 00:37 |
| schestowitz | So it's true that almost all the income still comes from VERY few products | Apr 24 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Wait for the full sheet. | Apr 24 00:40 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: about mononono / gentoo, I think I have a solution | Apr 24 00:40 |
| oiaohm | 13 billion total profit from things. | Apr 24 00:40 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/04... | Apr 24 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok orcales is 22 billion revenue before you start cutting bit out. | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I will do a detailed breakdown int he weekend | Apr 24 00:42 |
| oiaohm | 13 billion revenue. | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, not the same | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | And now confirmed | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | You can also buy and sell your own stock | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | You can buy companies to inherit their revenenue | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Still, not profit | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Novell operates at a loss, stil | Apr 24 00:42 |
| schestowitz | But it has /revenue/ | Apr 24 00:43 |
| schestowitz | All companies have positive revenue | Apr 24 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Point here to kill a company completely you want to take out there revenue untill there costs are larger. | Apr 24 00:43 |
| oiaohm | revenue break down is handy to work out where to hit. | Apr 24 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Also MS profit problems will make it extreamly hard to delay windows 7. | Apr 24 00:45 |
| oiaohm | They have already delayed there office line. | Apr 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: but they try to earn from patents | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Which makes me sigh | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | They get sued | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | With sw patents | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Like that Aussie who will get half a million AUD with just one patent | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | *halt a billion | Apr 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Mat 5th it's RC for Vista 7 | Apr 24 00:47 |
| schestowitz | They rush it | Apr 24 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Vista 7 exploding back in there face is going to be a nightmare for them. | Apr 24 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Second wave of the netbook attack is also going to cause MS nightmares. | Apr 24 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Google is even lining up a third wave. mips processors. | Apr 24 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Split the market into 3 processor chips. | Apr 24 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Some mips chips are scary 64 processors in a single chip. | Apr 24 00:50 |
| schestowitz | ARM... | Apr 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Interesting choice | Apr 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer et al expressed fear of it several times | Apr 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Get your XP netbook ($500) that runs for 4 hours or Android MID ($300 or subsidised) which runs for 12 hours | Apr 24 00:53 |
| oiaohm | arm mips and x86 | Apr 24 00:53 |
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| oiaohm | Problem is both arm and mips are very power effective. | Apr 24 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Also very cheep to make. | Apr 24 00:54 |
| oiaohm | We are seeing the computer world pre MS return. | Apr 24 00:54 |
| Balrog | PSP has both ARM and MIPS | Apr 24 00:56 |
| tessier_ | I'm really looking forward ARM eating MS's lunch on netbooks and then workstations as Linux gets more traction... | Apr 24 00:57 |
| tessier_ | Anything but x86 would be disaster for MS. They simply can't port. | Apr 24 00:58 |
| tessier_ | They could port the OS with great effort but then all of the apps etc... | Apr 24 00:58 |
| tessier_ | This is why source based software distribution and platform agnosticism is a very good thing. C's portability is why UNIX spread so widely. | Apr 24 00:58 |
| oiaohm | NT was designed to ported. | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Mortgage bubble has not burst yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I... | Apr 24 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem is not porting the OS tessier_ its the applications. | Apr 24 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why MS is so desperate to get developers using .net. | Apr 24 01:01 |
| tessier_ | Exactly | Apr 24 01:01 |
| tessier_ | Linux/UNIX applications are C and have been running on many platforms and are easily ported. Windows not so | Apr 24 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Native Linux binarys wrong platform also kinda work. | Apr 24 01:01 |
| oiaohm | qemu cpu emulation. | Apr 24 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MS does not have that trick up selve either. | Apr 24 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | the fuller video (must watch): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 24 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y9A0C45... Watch the criminal at the end | Apr 24 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | Secound wave is going to be problems. | Apr 24 01:24 |
| schestowitz | I thought it would be neglect of USD | Apr 24 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Who buy the expensive items. | Apr 24 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Secound wave hits them. | Apr 24 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | Wall Street - Michael Douglas 'Greed is Good' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 24 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Eep | Apr 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Look at the BS -- focusing only on PERSONAL issues, bot POLICIES (land of Hollywood): http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Apr 24 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Those credit default swaps are illegal here. | Apr 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine | Apr 24 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Will the Obamas end it? | Apr 24 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Or will they talk about pizzas and apartment rather than stopping corruption and quitting other people countries (empire)? | Apr 24 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Credit default swaps would fall under our fraud laws. | Apr 24 01:38 |
| oiaohm | False repsentation. | Apr 24 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Someone really need to take a close look at USA laws. | Apr 24 01:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL... | Apr 24 01:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah, I'm sure Michelle will have a look at it... with Laura Bush over tea... | Apr 24 01:40 |
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| oiaohm | I still remember one group selling so call protection. Got done here for not being a regestered insurance company. | Apr 24 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Our laws are warped at times. | Apr 24 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Australian laws and Usa laws are linked in places. The fraud section comes out of the laws we got from UK. | Apr 24 01:43 |
| oiaohm | So USA could have the same laws sitting there not used. | Apr 24 01:43 |
| oiaohm | UK would also be advistable to look at there laws as well because credit swaps most likely are happening there as well. | Apr 24 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Possibly | Apr 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | London is assimilated to quarters like NYT | Apr 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | The effect on that region was the same | Apr 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I could find a video about that too | Apr 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | But I've had enough politics for one day :-) | Apr 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf4P... | Apr 24 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Our HIH splat here got our laws checked. | Apr 24 01:51 |
| oiaohm | The directorors of HIH spent time in jail over doing credit default swaps. | Apr 24 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Instead of calling them what they were insurance. | Apr 24 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Avoiding regulation in place is not tollerated here. | Apr 24 01:53 |
| amarsh04 | local news *headlines* mentioned ms' 34 percent profit drop | Apr 24 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Numbers are importnat. | Apr 24 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Same drop again would be half next time. | Apr 24 01:53 |
| oiaohm | MS is getting close the location of Windows 7 don't work they are in hell. | Apr 24 01:54 |
| schestowitz | HIH=? | Apr 24 01:55 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGhtXb-1duI << schestowitz | Apr 24 01:55 |
| schestowitz | 32%, not 34% | Apr 24 01:56 |
| oiaohm | A australian insurance company that is no more schestowitz | Apr 24 01:56 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 24 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Hit us back in the 1990~ | Apr 24 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Almsot completely stuffed everything. | Apr 24 01:56 |
| oiaohm | There were basicallly insurance for everything. | Apr 24 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Goverment had to do special expections to the requirement to third party car/truck insurance to delay some of the effect. | Apr 24 01:58 |
| oiaohm | So far USA transport system has not been hit. | Apr 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | I see Microsoft people panicking tonight | Apr 24 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Trying to cite the wrong figures | Apr 24 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Not quite enough fear yet. | Apr 24 02:02 |
| oiaohm | MS has not hit the secound wave of netbooks yet. | Apr 24 02:02 |
| oiaohm | They are starting to see there world coming apart. | Apr 24 02:03 |
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| oiaohm | MS will have no option soon bar to cut online services free. | Apr 24 02:05 |
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| hi ho | Apr 24 02:06 | |
| schestowitz | back in a minute... | Apr 24 02:06 |
| cool | Apr 24 02:06 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi oiaohm | Apr 24 02:12 |
| oiaohm | See MS profit down turn _Hicham_ | Apr 24 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | it is normal oiaohm | Apr 24 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | MS is stubborn | Apr 24 02:14 |
| normal for obsolete business, ha ha | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| _Hicham_ | and doesn't want to change | Apr 24 02:14 |
| M$ is stupid | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| on the way out, fast | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| oiaohm | I really wish samba with ads would get out. | Apr 24 02:15 |
| oiaohm | So samba could start hammering there server departments. | Apr 24 02:15 |
| click on them all, please. | Apr 24 02:15 | |
| schestowitz | gn. fun posts in the morning. | Apr 24 02:15 |
| Good Night! | Apr 24 02:16 | |
| _Hicham_ | gn schestowitz | Apr 24 02:16 |
| It will be fun to see what's up. | Apr 24 02:16 | |
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| zer0c00l | http://mccmepco.blogspot.com/ -> :( wtf they doing it in my college | Apr 24 06:13 |
| zer0c00l | microsoft campus club :P | Apr 24 06:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.huliq.com/3257/80021/freddie-mac-cfo... | Apr 24 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Some people think he was 'suicided' (murdered) | Apr 24 07:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB... | Apr 24 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Wow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Apr 24 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | Reader: "Not sure what I can do, is there any way of drumming up some volunteers to update the site. I think I said this before, but I don't think a site dedicated to Boycotting Novell is a good idea. What you should do is a site covering IP rights, patent trolling and general politicing and shenanigans in relation to technology." | Apr 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz | "Provide the base material and let others pick up on it. I think there were a number of stories picked up elsewhere that started on BN. What ever you do, don't engage with the trolls." | Apr 24 08:23 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS is said to be bribing ASUS so that they offer only Windows: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... | Apr 24 08:58 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 24 08:58 |
| schestowitz | This is why Microsoft calls Linux #1 rival: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Apr 24 09:24 |
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| _air | yay | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | i found out at last | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | i can't be in the same channel as any windows op | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | i can't be in ##windows | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | i just cant | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | not anymore | Apr 24 09:26 |
| _air | the only channels related to my existance are in some way gpl related | Apr 24 09:28 |
| _air | and i liked to watch house m.d. | Apr 24 09:30 |
| _air | even though he's not 50% right abou some things | Apr 24 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Apple's frauds revisited: Steve Jobs: 'I wanted respect, not backdated options' < http://www.theregister.co... > | Apr 24 09:34 |
| schestowitz | 20,000-employee gorilla is spreading Linux+ARM netbooks now: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... (Google Android 'five weeks' from MIPS port) | Apr 24 09:35 |
| schestowitz | There may be no "too big to fail", but MySQL shows that GPL is "too powerful/distributed to fail" http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... | Apr 24 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft moves into Juniper and it goes down the toilet. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Apr 24 09:45 |
| _air | so | Apr 24 09:45 |
| _air | so you think you can tell | Apr 24 09:45 |
| _air | heaven from hell | Apr 24 09:45 |
| schestowitz | "Net income of -$4.5m in Juniper's three month quarter ended March 31 compared to a $110.4m gain in the same quarter last year. " | Apr 24 09:45 |
| _air | blue skies from pain | Apr 24 09:45 |
| schestowitz | _air: wrong channel? | Apr 24 09:45 |
| _air | can you tell a green field | Apr 24 09:46 |
| _air | from a cold steel rain | Apr 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Bloomfield.. | Apr 24 09:46 |
| _air | a smile from a veil | Apr 24 09:46 |
| _air | do you think you can tell | Apr 24 09:46 |
| _air | schestowitz, did you ever hear that song? | Apr 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Nope, sorry | Apr 24 09:47 |
| _air | oh wait | Apr 24 09:47 |
| _air | i gonna give you a not so legal link for that | Apr 24 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Pirate Bay – New Trial to be Ordered? < http://www.itwire.com/content/v... > | Apr 24 09:48 |
| _air | can i send it to ya with dcc? | Apr 24 09:48 |
| schestowitz | _air: boo, no need, thanks. | Apr 24 09:48 |
| _air | mkay | Apr 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Let's keep it on subject | Apr 24 09:49 |
| _air | on subject? | Apr 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | There's big news today | Apr 24 09:49 |
| _air | i'm on subject | Apr 24 09:49 |
| _air | and it doesn't even matter | Apr 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | _air: Microsoft's floundering is important | Apr 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz | It marks the changing tide again. | Apr 24 09:49 |
| _air | wait, i'm watching your useful links in either case | Apr 24 09:50 |
| _air | but wait till i send you dcc | Apr 24 09:50 |
| _air | it's not even irc related from what i know | Apr 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz | US/UK propaganda: North Korea has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news... | Apr 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz | US has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea | Apr 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | UK has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea | Apr 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | China has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea | Apr 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Israel has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea | Apr 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Pakistn has become a fully fledged nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out cities in Japan and South Korea | Apr 24 09:55 |
| schestowitz | But the press is focuses on justfying coup/war on Korea | Apr 24 09:56 |
| schestowitz | *focused | Apr 24 09:56 |
| _air | schestowitz, did you ever hear pink floyd? | Apr 24 09:56 |
| schestowitz | US has about 50 bases in korea | Apr 24 09:57 |
| schestowitz | sniffin' around | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 09:57 |
| schestowitz | _air: yes | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | us is everywhere | Apr 24 09:57 |
| schestowitz | yes | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | yup? good | Apr 24 09:57 |
| schestowitz | over 1000 military bases in other people's countries | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | i gonna tell you want you din't hear | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | it's not us | Apr 24 09:57 |
| _air | they can't handle that much bases | Apr 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Apr 24 09:58 |
| _air | they just borrow th monney | Apr 24 09:58 |
| _air | money | Apr 24 09:58 |
| schestowitz | imperial overstretch | Apr 24 09:58 |
| _air | and they are already not capalbe of paying for them | Apr 24 09:58 |
| _air | capable* | Apr 24 09:58 |
| _air | like a long time ago | Apr 24 09:59 |
| schestowitz | they compansate w/ military might for others weaknesses | Apr 24 09:59 |
| _air | they're living in debt | Apr 24 09:59 |
| schestowitz | us ecnomy is said to be worth 60tr | Apr 24 09:59 |
| _air | in constant debt | Apr 24 09:59 |
| _air | does it matter? | Apr 24 09:59 |
| schestowitz | debt is a quarter of that | Apr 24 09:59 |
| _air | what it's said to be | Apr 24 09:59 |
| schestowitz | the money must be paid back | Apr 24 09:59 |
| _air | you're wrong | Apr 24 10:00 |
| _air | they can't pay back | Apr 24 10:00 |
| _air | that's why they are still in debt | Apr 24 10:00 |
| _air | and i gonna tell you the song | Apr 24 10:00 |
| _air | did you ever listen to "wish you were here" 1975 album of pink floyd? | Apr 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | _air: they can pay back | Apr 24 10:02 |
| _air | no? | Apr 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | e.g. by selling many assets] | Apr 24 10:02 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:02 |
| _air | if they will they die | Apr 24 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's like you say in Vegas, "I can;'t pay bacl" | Apr 24 10:02 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:02 |
| _air | i don't play that games | Apr 24 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they can pawn your house and have you rub floors for 20 years to pay back | Apr 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | This is NOT funny | Apr 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | But it's better than nuclear strikes | Apr 24 10:03 |
| _air | nuclear strikes... | Apr 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Better a bankrupcy than death | Apr 24 10:03 |
| _air | are you even afraid of that? | Apr 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | You should be too | Apr 24 10:03 |
| _air | nope? | Apr 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | It's one of the threats to survival of the species, maybe before climate disaster | Apr 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | But the two are related | Apr 24 10:04 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Countries that get flooded are more likely to turn aggressive | Apr 24 10:04 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:04 |
| _air | dude, are you living in that one? | Apr 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Some are | Apr 24 10:05 |
| _air | why do you care firstly | Apr 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Also, nuclear explosionss f* up the atmosphere | Apr 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | So again, it's related | Apr 24 10:06 |
| _air | and why do you wanna subdue | Apr 24 10:06 |
| schestowitz | _air: you don't care about the planet? | Apr 24 10:06 |
| _air | nope"? | Apr 24 10:06 |
| _air | i don't care if i die of global cataclysm | Apr 24 10:06 |
| _air | 'cause it's too early | Apr 24 10:06 |
| _air | it won't happen in 15 years at least | Apr 24 10:07 |
| _air | and i shouldn't care about the planet | Apr 24 10:08 |
| _air | 'cause those people that are concerned they don't kare about ANYTHING but their money | Apr 24 10:08 |
| _air | enough ot i should say more? | Apr 24 10:09 |
| _air | a newborn joins this earth... | Apr 24 10:10 |
| _air | and quickly he's subdued | Apr 24 10:10 |
| _air | through constant pain disgrace | Apr 24 10:10 |
| _air | The young boy learns their rules | Apr 24 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Apr 24 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Well, there's an element of truth there. | Apr 24 10:12 |
| schestowitz | But it's a little nihilist. | Apr 24 10:12 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:12 |
| _air | i'm talking in YOUR language | Apr 24 10:13 |
| _air | i can talk in another one | Apr 24 10:13 |
| _air | that's actually true | Apr 24 10:13 |
| _air | and this one is just the one you understand | Apr 24 10:13 |
| ushimitsudoki | Welcome to my ignore list. | Apr 24 10:13 |
| _air | welcome? | Apr 24 10:14 |
| _air | i'm in plenty of people in ignore list | Apr 24 10:14 |
| _air | and i don't give a point | Apr 24 10:14 |
| _air | ignore me | Apr 24 10:14 |
| _air | you guys all are completely wrong | Apr 24 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Seattle press: Microsoft revenue falls, income down 32 percent (update2) < http://blog.seattlepi.com/micro... > | Apr 24 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Even the pro-Microsoft crowd admits the figures | Apr 24 10:15 |
| _air | proprietary or free software | Apr 24 10:15 |
| ushimitsudoki | Didn't apple just report better-than-expected revenue as well? | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | the truth is closer to free | Apr 24 10:16 |
| PetoKraus | did i hear pink floyd? | Apr 24 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Five unanswered questions after Microsoft's Q3 earnings call < http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2590 > Jo Foley on Microsoft layoffs and other questions. | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | but it's still not that | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | not like you mention | Apr 24 10:16 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: yes, Apple did OK | Apr 24 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Lowered Mac sales | Apr 24 10:16 |
| PetoKraus | You're gonna fly high, you're never gonna die, you're gonna make it if you try. They gonna love you. | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:16 |
| schestowitz | iphone made them a bundle | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | it's effing funny | Apr 24 10:16 |
| _air | i know at what you're wrong | Apr 24 10:17 |
| _air | but you don't even wanna hear | Apr 24 10:17 |
| ushimitsudoki | That's good because it prevents a "sales are down for everyone" defense tactic from MS. | Apr 24 10:17 |
| MinceR | there isn't only m$ and crApple | Apr 24 10:17 |
| _air | and m$ is even much more wrong | Apr 24 10:17 |
| _air | and still you don't wanna hear | Apr 24 10:18 |
| _air | you just love m$ | Apr 24 10:18 |
| ushimitsudoki | Of course, but I think the general public perceives Apple as the main rival to Microsoft in many ways. | Apr 24 10:18 |
| _air | for it's existance | Apr 24 10:18 |
| ushimitsudoki | (How accurate that is, is another topic of course) | Apr 24 10:18 |
| ushimitsudoki | So, for MS to be posting losses and the "main rival" to be putting up good numbers is a bit of a 1-2 punch for MS. | Apr 24 10:19 |
| _air | accurate.... | Apr 24 10:19 |
| MinceR | sadly, it's also a loss to us | Apr 24 10:22 |
| MinceR | crApple is all for lock-in, DRM and general dumbing down of IT products | Apr 24 10:22 |
| _air | what's a loss? | Apr 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's buddy is now spreading lies about GNU/Linux to create hatred: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... | Apr 24 10:23 |
| ushimitsudoki | True enough, but Apple has to gain a *lot* more market share before they can cause the damage MS does. So, I would rather see MS down and Apple up than the opposite, and maybe even more so than both down. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Red Hats results were up sharply | Apr 24 10:24 |
| _air | wtf | Apr 24 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Apple results were not up | Apr 24 10:24 |
| MinceR | _air: crApple gaining market share | Apr 24 10:24 |
| MinceR | oh. | Apr 24 10:24 |
| schestowitz | They just beat expectations | Apr 24 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Red hat's results were ACTUALLY up | Apr 24 10:24 |
| MinceR | well they shouldn't beat expectations | Apr 24 10:24 |
| MinceR | they should stick their DRM where the sun doesn't shine. | Apr 24 10:24 |
| _air | in which way oracle::sun us going to take over? | Apr 24 10:24 |
| schestowitz | They have low expectations | Apr 24 10:24 |
| MinceR | _air: hopefully oracle will force sun to support gnu/linux | Apr 24 10:25 |
| _air | lol | Apr 24 10:25 |
| _air | that's just lol | Apr 24 10:25 |
| MinceR | oracle seemed to be more into gnu/linux than sun (but that isn't difficult) | Apr 24 10:25 |
| _air | lol again | Apr 24 10:25 |
| MinceR | axolotl | Apr 24 10:26 |
| *MinceR waits for the lol | Apr 24 10:26 | |
| _air | do you really think that oracle bought sun only for that purpose? | Apr 24 10:26 |
| MinceR | i didn't say that | Apr 24 10:26 |
| _air | oh yeah | Apr 24 10:26 |
| MinceR | but i think it is a likely and positive side-effect | Apr 24 10:26 |
| _air | you didn't | Apr 24 10:26 |
| _air | yeah... | Apr 24 10:27 |
| _air | dream on | Apr 24 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Here. He's feeding the Microsoft shills: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3... | Apr 24 10:28 |
| _air | wtf was dat? | Apr 24 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Great. Yahoo! will kill Geocities along with my Web site. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... Another reason to host your OWN site. | Apr 24 10:48 |
| schestowitz | argh !! updating ICANN records is next to impossible. | Apr 24 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | wb, oiaohm | Apr 24 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is defeatist today | Apr 24 11:40 |
| schestowitz | It seems as though Microsoft, which is known to be sending its employees to ZDNet (verbal memo), is trying to bend Mary's arm: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2... Don't let them get to you... | Apr 24 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Mary gets Joe's mug put on top of her own articles... http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/ope... | Apr 24 12:01 |
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| mib_65ssqs | hi oiaohm | Apr 24 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Patents are definitely a battleground for FOSS now that Microsoft is fighting: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Apr 24 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft profits fall 30 percent < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft... > | Apr 24 12:55 |
| schestowitz | It's 32%, not 30% | Apr 24 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has found a new business strategy. it's about patents... poor patents... http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/M... | Apr 24 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Judge in Pirate Bay Case Member of Pro-Copyright Groups < http://www.osnews.com/story/21359/Ju... > The RIAA was caught reappointing judges before. | Apr 24 13:11 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 24 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Humour for today (PIC): http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/image... | Apr 24 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Manga about running Ubuntu GNU/Linux < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/21... > | Apr 24 13:20 |
| Omar87 | "I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do what I called plan (b) yesterday. We need a simple fast storage system. LH [Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the lessons of 'scenario, simple, fast' to heart. Jim" | Apr 24 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Poor Microsoft. | Apr 24 13:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: That's nice! :D | Apr 24 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to also see these chaps go to prison: Senate report: Rice, Cheney OK'd CIA use of waterboarding < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITIC... > | Apr 24 13:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Even Japanese people are loving GNU/Linux. :) | Apr 24 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Rice used to work in Chevron | Apr 24 13:26 |
| schestowitz | A lot of the Bush regime (if not all) comes from the oil industry | Apr 24 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Rice had a huge oil tanker named after her | Apr 24 13:26 |
| schestowitz | They renamed it when she joined the government | Apr 24 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Linux is big in Japan, tongith! | Apr 24 13:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: ;) | Apr 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Here's a nice one: BookArmy: a last.fm for books < http://www.boingboing.net/2009... > | Apr 24 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Hathaway advocates for direct White House role on cybersecurity < http://www.computerworld.com/action/artic... >. See these videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Au_OqN... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Au_OqNCYk&... | Apr 24 13:31 |
| schestowitz | "It's time to face the ugly reality about the use of harsh interrogation tactics" http://reason.com/news/show/133047.html I harly know the difference between "developed" and "underdeveloped" countries anymore. It's a matter of illusion for the most part; the way it's advertised to the public. | Apr 24 13:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.amazee.com/ bullied by Amazon http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/21/a... | Apr 24 13:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: LOL! When I showed the Manga link to my friend he claimed this is merely a marketing campaign for cannonical. :) | Apr 24 13:38 |
| Omar87 | canonical* | Apr 24 13:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Okay, no, he didn't. | Apr 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | This is hilarious, you'll enjoy it: http://notnews.today.com/2009/04/22/m... | Apr 24 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Cory Doctorow smashes the copyrights cartel: http://www.internetevolution.com/... | Apr 24 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Obama Open to Prosecution, Probe of Interrogations < http://www.truthout.org/042109R > | Apr 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | He has four wives and he faced 783 counts of corruption: PETER HITCHENS on South Africa's next president < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl... > | Apr 24 13:53 |
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| trmanco | this is what I call an article -> http://blogs.computerworld.com/the... | Apr 24 13:54 |
| schestowitz | More data more safety? Sounds like the patents=innovation fallacy. F.B.I. and States Vastly Expand DNA Databases < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/us/1... > | Apr 24 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "Both the [UK] police and the government appear to be taking their instructions from a multinational energy company" < http://www.guardian.co.uk/comme... > | Apr 24 13:56 |
| trmanco | I see the microsoft's profits are declining | Apr 24 13:56 |
| trmanco | that* | Apr 24 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's slump did not totally steal Ubuntu's thunder after all: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/22/... | Apr 24 13:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "Declining" is an understatement | Apr 24 13:57 |
| *trmanco looks up that word | Apr 24 13:58 | |
| trmanco | ok, so microsoft's profits are declining big time | Apr 24 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Dignan (new zdnet editor) uses Linux: "I have a Dell Mini 9 and the little bugger works just fine—as long as its hooked up to a keyboard and monitor. It’s just too cramped, but the Ubuntu works well." http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16890 | Apr 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: by 32% this quarter | Apr 24 14:02 |
| trmanco | heh | Apr 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Nokia's were down about 70% | Apr 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat's up about 20% | Apr 24 14:02 |
| trmanco | I little bit more and it's profits would be cut in half | Apr 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | Apr 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was revenue | Apr 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: who know the REAL number? | Apr 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was caught engaging in financial fraud before | Apr 24 14:03 |
| amarsh04 | the Cory Doctorow article is a good read schestowitz... but it gives me the urge to yell at a local politician who hasn't replied to a letter of mine sent 5 months ago | Apr 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I comes from the supposition that all US-traded companies (and also other nations) are cheating | Apr 24 14:03 |
| trmanco | yeah, I've read something about that, a few days ago | Apr 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | They usually do, but they say "everyone is doing that." | Apr 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: to get attention from a politician you need to buy him/her lunch in a fancy place (lobby) :-) | Apr 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Politicians are in it for personal gain while they are in power (4 years or so), even if the favouritism is referred. | Apr 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | *deferred | Apr 24 14:05 |
| amarsh04 | this politician is someone I knew from uni, schestowitz... I might have to complain to his boss again | Apr 24 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Well, politics is run by people | Apr 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | People know people who know people | Apr 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | That's why states are inherently corrupt, but it varies across nations when it comes to frequency and severity and the home of Microsoft is ranked fairly poorly for corruption levels. | Apr 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that recent NSW-Lenovo/MS deal too is about someone who knows someone from uni | Apr 24 14:10 |
| amarsh04 | yes, the microsoft stuff is insidious because the folk employed by the educational institutions for managing software contracts say that the deals are beneficial for the institution | Apr 24 14:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple layoffs announced (revealed rather): 1,600 full-time staff to go. Good for Linux, I guess. | Apr 24 14:12 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 24 14:12 |
| MinceR | good for everyone who wants their computers to be general-purpose computers | Apr 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Apr 24 14:13 |
| MinceR | and good for everyone who benefits from fair use | Apr 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Geocities is dead: http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2009/0... | Apr 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | I have a site there. | Apr 24 14:13 |
| MinceR | and good for all small IT companies | Apr 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Would be had | Apr 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Let Geocities teach you to host your own site and own twits, comments, E-mails, whatever | Apr 24 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple says sorry to baby battering groups < http://www.theinquirer.net/inqui... > | Apr 24 14:15 |
| MinceR | did they give people notice and time to move their stuff off geocities? | Apr 24 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Someone should tell NYPD about SELinux: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/200... | Apr 24 14:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they do | Apr 24 14:17 |
| MinceR | then there's nothing wrong with it, i guess | Apr 24 14:17 |
| schestowitz | But URL changes are arduous | Apr 24 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I never liked the domain "boycottnovell" | Apr 24 14:17 |
| MinceR | i never wanted to host my stuff there because geocities urls are stupid | Apr 24 14:17 |
| schestowitz | AMD is sucking up to Microsoft is again :-| | Apr 24 14:18 |
| MinceR | are they any better than intel? | Apr 24 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I kinda ended up afk | Apr 24 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Good movie come on. | Apr 24 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | bad job from Gizmodo: http://i.gizmodo.com/5225825/apple-remove... | Apr 24 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Check out the clutter in the headline | Apr 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | November is too late for windows 7 release by then the secound wave of debt hit in the USA should be in full effect. | Apr 24 14:23 |
| mib_f5px0z | Morning (or whatever) | Apr 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | September | Apr 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Would have been just before it. | Apr 24 14:23 |
| schestowitz | mib_f5px0z: hey | Apr 24 14:23 |
| mib_f5px0z | Hah. A friend is on the Windows 7 team. Poor bastard. | Apr 24 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Is it not in Bangalore mostly? | Apr 24 14:24 |
| schestowitz | That's what reports said in 2007/8 | Apr 24 14:24 |
| mib_f5px0z | Ah crap - sorry - it's The Mad Hatter. brb. | Apr 24 14:24 |
| schestowitz | OK, cool. | Apr 24 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 development was taken to cheaper developers to cut costs | Apr 24 14:24 |
| oiaohm | We are in a carm before another storm. | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if Microsoft is deep in revenue lies. | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | That's how it goes | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't know the technical term for it | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | When the CFO lies about figures | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And then he must keep up with the lies even when it gets more and mroe complex | Apr 24 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Not just in finance, but finance is a classic. See Enron or the banks with loans. | Apr 24 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | Missed targets? Fake some. | Apr 24 14:26 |
| schestowitz | The next year you must fake to beat and match expectations again | Apr 24 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Is there a word for lies that propaganda and get worse? I can't remember it, but there's a term for it | Apr 24 14:26 |
| oiaohm | It called cooking the books. | Apr 24 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: not really | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | That's another thing | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | You can cook them once | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | There was an article the other day about Jobs and the financial raud | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | *fraud | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | And now with the layoffs it comes to mind | Apr 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | But it's probably low demand in a bankrupt market that causes this. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Ok its cooking different sections of the books. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Selective picking from the books to make it match targets. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | And avoid displaying the sections that make it look bad. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Now when you have a 1/3 loss that is a bit hard. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter its been good that Ubuntu got over shadowed. | Apr 24 14:29 |
| oiaohm | It hide the ARM port from getting a lot of press. | Apr 24 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Apr 24 14:34 |
| the_mad_hatter | back | Apr 24 14:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ARM could have an entry to destkops... | Apr 24 14:34 |
| the_mad_hatter | ARM could wipe out Microsloth. | Apr 24 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe servers with many cores in the long term... but I doubt it because ticklessness makes no sense in servers that have good utilisation | Apr 24 14:35 |
| schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: turns out it's ARM+Google | Apr 24 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Well, some embedded company uses Android on ARM anyway | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | "Embedded Alley" | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of them | Apr 24 14:36 |
| the_mad_hatter | And Canonical has an ARM version of Ubuntu | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 24 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Google is also moving into MIPS | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Out in July on sevices | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | *devices | Apr 24 14:36 |
| schestowitz | omg... but MSO can't run on MIPS | Apr 24 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 24 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Depends what version of MIPS | Apr 24 14:37 |
| oiaohm | China version can run a slower x86 emulation. | Apr 24 14:37 |
| the_mad_hatter | FYI - the poet laureate for Temiskaming is switching to Ubuntu after Windows screwed up one to many times | Apr 24 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Linux is not ideal for desktop yet. | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Sooner DRI2 and KMS gets intergrated the better. | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | And the sooner cuse is fully mainline. | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | The better | Apr 24 14:38 |
| the_mad_hatter | Linux us fine for desktop, been using it for years. | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Run wine and scream. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 24 14:39 |
| MinceR | but it could be better. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| oiaohm | X11 bugs are basically holding it back. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| the_mad_hatter | Windows isn't suitable for the desktop. It takes an expert to keep it running. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 and KMS get rid of the major X11 issues. | Apr 24 14:40 |
| oiaohm | KMS solves the kernel panic freese solid issue. | Apr 24 14:40 |
| oiaohm | What is a particular pain for new users and me when I doing something that will normally clause high load. | Apr 24 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know its curse the driver maker 12 ways from sunday but new users down know that. | Apr 24 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Windows has had the blue screen of death so you know major internal failures have happened. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Ok MS making them require a PHD in MS tech to understand is a prick. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| the_mad_hatter | But you can set up Linux, walk away, and know that your computer illiterate user can't mess it up. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| the_mad_hatter | And that's why the Poet laureate is going to linux. SHe | Apr 24 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Never underestermate the creativity of a idiot. | Apr 24 14:43 |
| the_mad_hatter | She's had too many Windows problems. | Apr 24 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Linux once setup has less problems than windows. | Apr 24 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Anyone leaving Linux really only have one option for a happy home. Apple. | Apr 24 14:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | Anything is more stable than Windows. My daughter has a 1999 IMac, the OS hasn't been updated since 2001, and it works like a charm. | Apr 24 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Apple is the OS we need to catch in stablitity. | Apr 24 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Of desktop. | Apr 24 14:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | Linux is already more stable. | Apr 24 14:45 |
| oiaohm | All bar hidding video card driver screwed to hell yes. | Apr 24 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Frease solid instead of telling user about the kernel panic the video card driver just caused is bad. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| the_mad_hatter | that's not the fault of the OS. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | It is the fault of the OS. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Not controling video output. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | So it can restore it to display the kernel panic. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| the_mad_hatter | THat's the fault of the hardware OEM not sharing | Apr 24 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Intel drivers open spec? | Apr 24 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Doing it as well. | Apr 24 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Sorry its been X11 design. | Apr 24 14:47 |
| oiaohm | X11 split video card control away from kernel. | Apr 24 14:48 |
| the_mad_hatter | Was this recent? | Apr 24 14:48 |
| oiaohm | DRI 1 design was basically so far wrong its not funny. | Apr 24 14:48 |
| MinceR | 155529 < oiaohm> Apple is the OS we need to catch in stablitity. | Apr 24 14:48 |
| *MinceR gives oiaohm a Beachball of Hell | Apr 24 14:48 | |
