Bonum Certa Men Certa

Logging IRC From Self-Hosted and From Third Party (But Very Large) IRC Networks

Video download link



Summary: Instead of fighting one another we encourage people to foster a healthier dialogue and, if possible, also take control of their IRC channels (those can in turn be connected to larger networks using bridges)

NOW that we are self-hosting IRC and feel confident about the bridging (to networks outside our own) we thought it would be worthwhile limiting the logging to just one network, as the video above explains. At least 3 people have already complained (out in the open) that there are duplicate entries/messages in the logs -- an issue we're aware of. It was meant to ensure we don't just drop or lose some messages because at various phases 3 networks were joined or cobbled together.



"A lot of IRC, especially the topology, became like social control media or clown computing -- basically leaning towards centralisation with the so-called 'network effect' (it can be hard to leave an existing network because of all the people who are there and only there)."Waging cross-network wars isn't productive. It's actually harmful for a number or reasons that we've mentioned before. A lot of the trouble can be avoided or at least mitigated when there's no single point of failure, especially when there's something self-hosted that one can control. A lot of IRC, especially the topology, became like social control media or clown computing -- basically leaning towards centralisation with the so-called 'network effect' (it can be hard to leave an existing network because of all the people who are there and only there).

Fediverse logoIn order to make IRC stronger (as a protocol, community and so on) it would be wise to advise self-hosting where possible, then federating with large networks. The former gives governance advantages (privacy, free speech etc.) whereas the latter gives access to a large number of people, akin to what happens in the Fediverse sans the disk space and bandwidth overhead (a simple one-user instance can take up a lot of resources and become a pain to maintain/secure in the long run).

As we've said right from the very start (nearly a month ago), hostile cliques can form inside networks, in effect using their power over those networks (or misusing privileges, e.g. banning users, spying on users) to promote some personal agenda.

Being difficult to censor and/or spy on is a great strength. The EPO has been trying to cancel and deplatform us for more than 7 years; Benoît Battistelli prevented all the EPO workers (about 7,000 at the time) accessing Techrights from work and António Campinos maintains that ban for no reason other than it's embarrassing to the management (albeit perfectly true; leaks don't lie). In order to achieve something, e.g. in the fight against European software patents, we must also combat censorship. Taking control of our means of communication is an important step towards that.

Putin Popcorn: IRC infighting? I like!The video above focuses on how we publish logs and the fact that this morning we've finally tackled duplicates. More observations are made along the way. The main reason we stay on Freenode is that we've there for over 13 years (no preference or choice per se; it was just "the place to be" back then*). But we hope that over time more people will recognise the advantages envisioned for the self-hosted network and move over to that. No pressure, no rush. ____ * And it's not going away, it is here to stay because the dust has mostly settled (see weekly chart). It has many servers in many places. The Open and Free Technology Community (OFTC) is also doing reasonably well with nearly 20,000 channels. Stop fighting, start organising, add more IRC networks to tackle oligopolies. IRC as a whole is stronger when there's no single point of failure.

Recent Techrights' Posts

Techrights' Statement on Code of Censorship (CoC) and Kent Overstreet: This Was the Real Purpose of Censorship Agreements All Along
Bombing people is OK (if you sponsor the key organisations), opposing bombings is not (a CoC in a nutshell)
[Meme] The Most Liberal Company
"Insurrection? What insurrection?"
apple.com Traffic Down Over 7%, Says One Spyware Firm; Apple's Liabilities Increased Over 6% to $308,030,000,000
Apple is also about 120 billion dollars in debt
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 23, 2024
IRC logs for Saturday, November 23, 2024
[Meme] GAFAMfox
Mozilla Firefox in a state of extreme distress
Google Can Kill Mozilla Any Time It Wants
That gives Google far too much power over its rival... There are already many sites that refuse to work with Firefox or explicitly say Firefox isn't supported
Free (as in Freedom) Software Helps Tackle the Software Liability Issue, It Lets Users Exercise Greater Control Over Programs
Microsofters have been trying to ban or exclude Free software
In the US, Patent Laws Are Up for Sale
This problem is a lot bigger than just patents
ESET Finds Rootkits, Does Not Explain How They Get Installed, Media Says It Means "Previously Unknown Linux Backdoors" (Useful Distraction From CALEA and CALEA2)
FUD watch
Techdirt Loses Its Objectivity in Pursuit of Money
The more concerning aspects are coverage of GAFAM and Microsoft in particular
Links 23/11/2024: Press Sold to Vultures, New LLM Blunders
Links for the day
Links 23/11/2024: "Relationship with Oneself" and Yretek.com is Back
Links for the day
Links 23/11/2024: "Real World" Cracked and UK Online Safety Act is Law
Links for the day
Links 23/11/2024: Celebrating Proprietary Bluesky (False Choice, Same Issues) and Software Patents Squashed
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, November 22, 2024
IRC logs for Friday, November 22, 2024
Gemini Links 23/11/2024: 150 Day Streak in Duolingo and ICBMs
Links for the day
Links 22/11/2024: Dynamic Pricing Practice and Monopoly Abuses
Links for the day
Topics We Lacked Time to Cover
Due to a Microsoft event (an annual malware fest for lobbying and marketing purposes) there was also a lot of Microsoft propaganda
Microsofters Try to Defund the Free Software Foundation (by Attacking Its Founder This Week) and They Tell People to Instead Give Money to Microsoft Front Groups
Microsoft people try to outspend their critics and harass them
[Meme] EPO for the Kids' Future (or Lack of It)
Patents can last two decades and grow with (or catch up with) the kids
EPO Education: Workers Resort to Legal Actions (Many Cases) Against the Administration
At the moment the casualties of EPO corruption include the EPO's own staff
Gemini Links 22/11/2024: ChromeOS, Search Engines, Regular Expressions
Links for the day
This Month is the 11th Month of This Year With Mass Layoffs at Microsoft (So Far It's Happening Every Month This Year, More Announced Hours Ago)
Now they even admit it
Links 22/11/2024: Software Patents Squashed, Russia Starts Using ICBMs
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, November 21, 2024
IRC logs for Thursday, November 21, 2024