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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 26th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 9:04 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn… “GreyGeek – Subject: Murphy? ( Nov 25, 2008, 19:33:18 ) The same guy who told us that SCO had a case? “ Nov 26 00:01
schestowitz Hey, tacone Nov 26 00:01
tacone ? you remember me ? :) Nov 26 00:01
tacone i have been very little in this channel ;-) Nov 26 00:02
PetoKraus right, i’m gonna make me a short dinner, and then GN Nov 26 00:02
PetoKraus *small Nov 26 00:02
tacone schestowitz: i see you wrote about italy Nov 26 00:03
tacone do you know about the universities microsoft deal ? Nov 26 00:03
schestowitz Yes Nov 26 00:03
schestowitz There are some things going on there. Nov 26 00:03
schestowitz tacone: yes, I remember you. Where have you been for months? Nov 26 00:03
schestowitz PetoKraus: I’ll be here. I’ll be done soon too… short days :-( :-( Nov 26 00:04
PetoKraus :D Nov 26 00:04
tacone i am not a regular reader or channel hang-outer Nov 26 00:04
schestowitz Slovakia has longer datys Nov 26 00:04
schestowitz tacone: what about the universities? Nov 26 00:04
tacone microsoft helped with x millions, to help italian government to open 2-3 MS research centers in some universities Nov 26 00:04
schestowitz I wrote abou the government today Nov 26 00:04
tacone the most part will be paid by the governement, by the way Nov 26 00:05
schestowitz Roberto G also writes about the Italian universities. Nov 26 00:05
tacone guess what, the code won’t be open. Nov 26 00:05
schestowitz Are there articles about it? Nov 26 00:05
schestowitz Or something that can be translated? Nov 26 00:05
tacone apparently, in Piemonte they promised to make code public (i wouldn’t bet my ass though). in trento we’re are still waiting for an answer, that won’t come. Nov 26 00:06
schestowitz It’s the same in France, but there have serious disaster there: Sarkonism Nov 26 00:06
tacone i can search something for you now Nov 26 00:06
schestowitz tacone: it’s not a matter of code availability thoygh. Nov 26 00:06
schestowitz Corporations must not taint public institutions like academia Nov 26 00:06
tacone patents, you mean ? Nov 26 00:06
schestowitz Microsoft should butt out. It’s doing this everywhere because some sellout take the money Nov 26 00:07
schestowitz What are patents? :-) Pieces of useless paper. Show me the code. Nov 26 00:07
kevin_ the school i went to allowed us to download windows 98-vist Nov 26 00:07
kevin_ the school i went to allowed us to download windows 98-vista Nov 26 00:07
schestowitz Linus Torvalds: “Talk is cheap. Show me the code.” Nov 26 00:07
tacone that’s the bad side. they don’t only retain the copyright on the code. patents allow them to annoy you even if you re-write from scratch Nov 26 00:08
schestowitz kevin_: there’s probably one of these illegal licences there. Nov 26 00:08
tacone no sw patents, here, for the moment, though. Nov 26 00:08
kevin_ no… it was the msdnaa Nov 26 00:08
schestowitz In Norway they fought successfully against this ‘all compus’ licences that are anti-compeittive. Nov 26 00:08
kevin_ we were dling directly from ms Nov 26 00:08
schestowitz Linpro is their name, IIRC Nov 26 00:08
schestowitz tacone: can you get me names of universities that do this? Nov 26 00:09
kevin_ but i read the TOS once and it said something about “nothing you produce with this software can be used for financial gain” at which point i said forget it Nov 26 00:09
tacone University of trento is one. Nov 26 00:09
schestowitz Even articles in Italian as proof would be valuable. Nov 26 00:09
tacone schestowitz: i am searching the articles Nov 26 00:09
schestowitz I can chain this to other Microsoft shenanigans in Italy Nov 26 00:09
schestowitz Thanks./ Nov 26 00:09
kevin_ even thugh i have no intention of creating content and charging for it on the PC i disagree with that on principal and thus avoid using it Nov 26 00:10
schestowitz We have good indexed for many countries already… Portugal and Brazil for instance. Nov 26 00:10
tacone schestowitz: we shall make a map of microsoft corruption around the world Nov 26 00:11
schestowitz re: OOXML Italy: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/26/ooxm… Nov 26 00:11
schestowitz Nice one, tacone Nov 26 00:11
kevin_ it would look like one of those power grid things :) Nov 26 00:11
tacone one of those red/green color maps ;-) Nov 26 00:11
kevin_ little blips everywhere Nov 26 00:11
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/… Nov 26 00:12
schestowitz Blame Brad for that cake.. http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/images/… Nov 26 00:13
tacone this was about the deal, but i think tuscany is not right. it’s trento http://punto-informatico.it/1977688/PI/News/gove… Nov 26 00:14
tacone i am looking for better things anyway Nov 26 00:14
tacone ok, worse. 3 centers in 3 regions, and yet another one (in Trento) Nov 26 00:16
tacone http://www.annozero.org/%C2%ABdato-che-i-soldi-sara… Nov 26 00:16
schestowitz Thanks. Nov 26 00:17
tacone there are nice links departing from that article Nov 26 00:17
schestowitz I’ll organise these links. Can you explain what each shows? Nov 26 00:18
tacone but i guess it’s difficult for a non-italian speaker Nov 26 00:18
schestowitz BN has almost 5000 posts. Later we build indexes to show abuses. Nov 26 00:18
schestowitz Someone has already volunteered to do ths. Nov 26 00:18
schestowitz On France: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/27/… Nov 26 00:19
schestowitz There are many more, but they are scattered. Nov 26 00:19
schestowitz I also have lots in something like 60,000 posts and citations I’ve collected over the years. Nov 26 00:19
tacone i am still searching for better articles Nov 26 00:22
schestowitz OT: Greed murders…. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol… > Nov 26 00:25
kevin_ i’m sitting here playing doom 2 Nov 26 00:30
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schestowitz Maritz doesn’t mention Microsoft… weird… http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZ1gdzdwTg Nov 26 00:39
tacone schestowitz: http://pastebin.com/m358d353b Nov 26 00:40
kevin_ wasn’t there a 40-50 minute video that explains the whole novell/ms thing? Nov 26 00:40
tacone it’s not really a translation, just some things explained in the article Nov 26 00:40
tacone schestowitz: can you briefly read it and see if everything is clear to you ? Nov 26 00:40
schestowitz kevin_: the press conference? Nov 26 00:45
schestowitz tacone: that’s brilliant. I’ve just looked at it. Nov 26 00:46
schestowitz Give me 1-2 days and I’ll do a post. Nov 26 00:46
schestowitz Do you want attribution? Name/URL? Nov 26 00:46
tacone no hurry, it’s not a recent news Nov 26 00:46
tacone they are still fighting. Nov 26 00:46
tacone i don’t need attribution, thx anyway :) Nov 26 00:46
schestowitz I’ll add links about FOSS in Italy. I have many Nov 26 00:47
tacone annozero.org is a nice one Nov 26 00:47
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schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101… Novell=dishonesty. This just comes to show that Novell is lying quite a lot (this is part of a pattern). Nov 26 01:13
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schestowitz *sigh* More of the Mac fanboism and dual-licensing from Alfresco… they don’t comply with OSI… I think it’s ‘diluting’ the things too much. I talked to MySQL’s CEO about this at the time because it’s calling for characterization of F/OSS as “freeware” or “trial-version-ware.” it’s not good for anyone. Nov 26 01:30
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twitter I decided to document G.Michael’s off topic trolling on BN.  Here’s the result, http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/j… Nov 26 02:14
twitter I’m sorry the guy is such a drag on the comments.  He never contributes anything and his crap gets in the way of intelligent communication.  I recommend you auto flag the loser’s IP. Nov 26 02:15
schestowitz Hehe. Excellent. It’s out of the moderation queue now. Nov 26 02:16
twitter Stuff like that is one of the reasons the Slashdot trolls really hate me. Nov 26 02:16
schestowitz I’ve flagged the comment for future ref Nov 26 02:18
schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/… Nov 26 02:36
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levander I’m in a flame war with an Ars Technica writer right now.  Can someone give me a link to an article detailing patent concerns with Mono so I don’t have to go to the trouble of spelling it out for him myself? Nov 26 07:21
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schestowitz Hi, levander. Are you still there? Nov 26 08:48
MinceR geekings Nov 26 09:06
kentma hi Nov 26 09:11
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levander schestowitz: I’m back now… Nov 26 10:38
schestowitz Did you get a URL? Nov 26 10:38
levander No, I just wrote around it.  But, if you have one, I’d like to see it. Nov 26 10:38
schestowitz I imagine you argues with Ryan Paul Nov 26 10:38
schestowitz *argued Nov 26 10:39
levander ha Nov 26 10:39
schestowitz He does a lot of Mono boosting. Nov 26 10:39
schestowitz Too much Nov 26 10:39
levander I hate that guy. Nov 26 10:39
schestowitz He’s not impolite. Nov 26 10:39
levander schestowitz: In the thread, he actually makes reference to people who don’t like Mono being poorly informed conspiracy theorists. Nov 26 10:39
levander schestowitz: Not normally.  But, I think I get under his skin. Nov 26 10:39
levander So, he makes exception for me ;) Nov 26 10:40
schestowitz haha. Nov 26 10:40
schestowitz “Conspiracy theory” Nov 26 10:40
schestowitz Nutters, haters, extremists, cult, loons…etc .. all words for daemonisation of opposition that needn’t give any counter arguments. Nov 26 10:41
levander directhex is on that thread quoting ECMA standards.  Like I want to read through some stupid standards compliance document to see if the platform I develop on top of is enumbered by patents. Nov 26 10:41
schestowitz See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/… Nov 26 10:42
levander schestowitz: Yeah, I make that point exactly.  I say calling people extremists and not looking at their arguments, by making that accusation, your guilty of it. Nov 26 10:42
schestowitz Microsoft uses the same techniques. Nov 26 10:42
levander schestowitz: I wish boycottnovell made “statement posts” like that easier to find.  I clicked all over the web site looking for that. Nov 26 10:43
levander Like, if on the “About page”, they had links explaining their positions. Nov 26 10:43
levander links to explaning** Nov 26 10:43
schestowitz We need a Mono resource page Nov 26 10:44
schestowitz Someone is working on index pages…. we have one for ODF now… Samba is next Nov 26 10:44
levander And, each position statement article should have links to other people expressing the same opinion.  The more notable those other people the better.  Just makes it easier for people to do research and get the arguments down.  Easier to spread the word. Nov 26 10:44
levander schestowitz: Cool, so they’re already kind of doing what I’m saying? Nov 26 10:44
schestowitz Another option is using the Google search in the right-hand-side menu Nov 26 10:44
levander schestowitz: I’m telling you.  I used Google search.  Clicked all over the damn place.  Couldn’t find something that clearly stated the case.  Just references to the case here and there. Nov 26 10:45
schestowitz It’s him, not they. One of the readers volunteered to help organise the posts. There are almost 5000 of them, Nov 26 10:45
levander schestowitz: It’s not just boycottnovell.  I looked all over for Bruce Peren’s definitive article on his position against Mono, nothing… Nov 26 10:45
schestowitz Maybe they managed to push it out of view Nov 26 10:46
schestowitz There’s also another one… wait.. Nov 26 10:46
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/2… (out of date though) Nov 26 10:46
levander schestowitz: I don’t think it’s a matter of organizing the posts.  And, I’d think this would be more important than him making new posts.  It’s have a clearly visible link on the home page to a place where important positions are laid out. Nov 26 10:47
levander schestowitz: You know, what I’m talking about.  I may be saying boycottnovell needs a wiki.  Although, you could do it without a wiki. Nov 26 10:47
levander schestowitz: I definitely understand limited resources. Nov 26 10:47
levander It is a very nice web site for just one guy. Nov 26 10:47
levander schestowitz: But, you see what I’m saying that nobody on the internet, not just Novell, seems to make their “position papers” readily available enough? Nov 26 10:48
schestowitz Even static resource pages need updating Nov 26 10:48
levander schestowitz: I need to write something myself once I get my blog up.  It’s be like my position paper on the importance of position papers. Nov 26 10:48
schestowitz That would be useful. Nov 26 10:48
levander schestowitz: Yeah, but it just seems like position papers would be the most useful thing on the entire web site.  Why have all this other stuff without position papers (that would need periodic updating)? Nov 26 10:49
levander schestowitz: I’m about to start working on getting my own little bliki up and running.  First thing I’m gonna do is put a few logos up representing causes I believe in.  Stuff like FairTax, Free Software, few others… Nov 26 10:50
levander Then you click on the logo, you get to my position paper… Nov 26 10:50
levander Anyway, what’s the guys name who runs boycottnovell?  Is he ever in here?  Maybe I’ll try harassing him about re-ordering his priorities, see what he thinks. Nov 26 10:51
schestowitz levander: most readers are on RSS Nov 26 10:51
schestowitz it’s a news site, not just a brochure site Nov 26 10:51
schestowitz Now… I realise that we need pages like Groklaw’s… people suggested it and someone is looking into it. Nov 26 10:52
levander I bet introducing some “brochure” aspect would help bring new people in.  New people come in and they have to click everywhere to find out what’s going on. Nov 26 10:52
levander What is Groklaw’s? Nov 26 10:52
schestowitz boycottnovell is no “guy”… it’s me and Shane… and Shane is with the family now. Nov 26 10:53
levander Oh cool.  So my job of harassing the founders of the site is already done! Nov 26 10:53
schestowitz When I come to sites, I arrive at posts. Nov 26 10:53
schestowitz I hardly explore laterally. Nov 26 10:53
levander What do you mean laterally? Nov 26 10:53
schestowitz checking pages other than the deep one I’m in Nov 26 10:54
schestowitz Most pageviews are from subscribers. Nov 26 10:54
schestowitz Like 80% Nov 26 10:54
levander schestowitz: Well, maybe you’d get more pageviews from people who weren’t subscribers if you had a design accomodating them?  And, then maybe these more new people would become subscribers? Nov 26 10:54
levander I’m not suggesting redesigning the site.  I’m suggesting like a page that links to a few different pages that explain positions. Nov 26 10:55
levander schestowitz: Think of me in the middle of a debate, a debate that everyone should already know the point I’m making, but they don’t.  I need a resource to go to. Nov 26 10:56
levander And, to me, that’s really the whole way you get the word out, you run around talking to people.  Tell them what’s going on. Nov 26 10:56
levander If you don’t have a place they can go and easily see what you’re talking about, you’ve really lost a big opportunity. Nov 26 10:56
schestowitz We have tag pages Nov 26 10:57
schestowitz The issue is that new items appear first Nov 26 10:57
schestowitz That’s why we make index pages Nov 26 10:57
levander schestowitz: As a suggestion maybe, just have a sidebar box called “Positions” or something, and it links to a few positions. Nov 26 10:58
levander I wouldn’t change from being a news site. Nov 26 10:58
levander schestowitz: Where are these index pages?  Maybe I just missed them. Nov 26 10:58
schestowitz “ODF resources” Nov 26 10:58
levander schestowitz: I’m not trying to tear down your site.  I think you do a great job and it’s a noble cause.  I’m just making suggestions. Nov 26 10:58
levander Yeah, that ODF resources page is kind of what I’m talking about.  But, it’s a list of various posts.  The only thing I’m trying to bring up is I think it’d make it a lot easier to get the word out if there were simply a list of papers that were as short as reasonable that defined what the ideas are. Nov 26 11:00
schestowitz I think that exists elsewhere. Nov 26 11:01
schestowitz We don’t (well, I don’t) do whitepapers… takes too long Nov 26 11:01
levander So, maybe the only issue I have is it isn’t easy enough to find from the home page? Nov 26 11:01
levander schestowitz: Yeah, resources are an issue. Nov 26 11:01
levander What were you saying about Groklaw earlier? Nov 26 11:02
schestowitz True. Nov 26 11:05
schestowitz Well, homepage is viewed many times. Nov 26 11:05
schestowitz I’m not sure what people look for in there. Nov 26 11:06
schestowitz I think many people who don’t use RSS just read the latest posts there. Nov 26 11:06
levander schestowitz: They use the web site the way you’ve designed it.  People who it’s poorly designed for probably just don’t use it. Nov 26 11:07
levander At one point I thought I had you on this idea, but now it seems I’ve really lost you… Nov 26 11:07
schestowitz No, no… I’m taking the suggestions. Nov 26 11:08
schestowitz That’s why I intend to build indexes. Nov 26 11:08
schestowitz Writing resources from scratch though is too great a task. Nov 26 11:08
schestowitz And it /ages/… explanations must evolve. Nov 26 11:08
levander It’s cool.  I wouldn’t throw out real life to get it done either… I’d just take my time too. Nov 26 11:08
schestowitz Also… Nov 26 11:09
schestowitz By linking back extensively to old posts people can find a trail that draw complete pictures. Nov 26 11:09
levander schestowitz: Maybe just a blurb and a link pointing to where someone has said something you agree with would be plenty? Nov 26 11:09
schestowitz That’s what most posts comprise Nov 26 11:10
schestowitz Gosh… Nov 26 11:10
schestowitz I’m watching Charlie Rose at the same time and boy he was rude.. Nov 26 11:10
levander Personaly, I wouldn’t want to follow a trail.  I’d personally rather see it clearly defined in one article.  Then you can go looking around for more detail to disagree or whatever if you want… Nov 26 11:10
schestowitz Very unusual…. I’d unsubscribe from his channel. Nov 26 11:10
levander Charlie Rose? Nov 26 11:11
levander He doesn’t have a channel. Nov 26 11:11
schestowitz In YouTube. Nov 26 11:11
schestowitz I don’t use TV anymore.. Nov 26 11:11
levander link Nov 26 11:11
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/user/CharlieRose Nov 26 11:11
levander I wonder why Charlie Rose made his channel on UK Youtube?  He’s an American.  His show is in America. Nov 26 11:12
schestowitz No, it’s localised to me Nov 26 11:13
levander You know I’ve heard about people complaining about Charlie Rose being rude in the past.  You look into it further, and what people have to understand is that he’s doing something like “real time editing”.  He’s trying to make sure people don’t go on about stuff that’s not the point. Nov 26 11:13
schestowitz All the YouTube stuff is redirected to me. Nov 26 11:13
levander Oh, so it’s not a UK channel then?  It’s just redirected through the UK web site? Nov 26 11:14
schestowitz Yes, true. Nov 26 11:14
schestowitz Yes Nov 26 11:14
levander I’m going to bed.  I’m tired of trying to hit you over the head with position papers… Nov 26 11:14
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Eruaran hello Nov 26 12:51
trmanco hi Nov 26 12:52
schestowitz Hey Nov 26 12:53
schestowitz I’ve just redone the front page of BN Nov 26 12:53
Eruaran ah yes I see Nov 26 12:53
Eruaran You might want to watch this channel Nov 26 12:53
Eruaran http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=… Nov 26 12:54
Eruaran This guy is shilling hard Nov 26 12:54
Eruaran I think I’ve seen a second person blocked by this guy Nov 26 12:54
Eruaran ( and the video is funny btw ) Nov 26 12:55
Eruaran This audience were either very happy with their gifts from Microsoft or they are very easily impressed Nov 26 12:56
Eruaran I’m toying with the idea of taking the sound from this video and putting it together with video of someone doing similar things on a KDE desktop… Like that guy did ages ago with the voice over on Vista while showing a Mac desktop. Nov 26 12:58
Eruaran These people really don’t realise how much they suck. Nov 26 12:58
schestowitz It’s a drone invite-only Nov 26 13:00
schestowitz They designed it such that it looks well received. Like the naked emperor. Nov 26 13:00
Eruaran yep Nov 26 13:01
schestowitz We need KDE4 screencasts, but… Nov 26 13:05
Eruaran Well, I installed kdenlive for the first time ever… Nov 26 13:06
schestowitz There need to be noise in the background… like girls screaming and people giving ovations.  Kind of like ‘yes men’… follow the flock Nov 26 13:06
Eruaran haha yes Nov 26 13:06
schestowitz It’s down to marleting. Nov 26 13:07
schestowitz Apple does several things: Nov 26 13:07
schestowitz 1) it packages the software ONLY under high-end hardware and sharp screens Nov 26 13:07
schestowitz You can’t find OS X running on some old crappy CRT Nov 26 13:07
schestowitz This controls perception. Nov 26 13:07
schestowitz 2) They have special rules for presenting products. You can just do as you wish. Nov 26 13:08
schestowitz 3) They choose just one well-doctored theme and make it super-hard to change, so there’s visual identity and you rarely see ‘ugly’ Macs. The same goes for hardware. Limited, elitist selections.. Nov 26 13:08
Eruaran Our group was talking with Apple at one stage. Nov 26 13:11
Eruaran Company directors didn’t like Apples terms. Nov 26 13:11
Eruaran I’m short on details but I’m under the impression we may have lost a lot of independance. Nov 26 13:12
schestowitz Use the money more ffectively. Nov 26 13:13
schestowitz Get Apple ‘level’ hardware and put Mandriva or something on it. Nov 26 13:13
schestowitz You can achieve with GNU/Linux things you can’t imagine in Leopard Nov 26 13:14
schestowitz But… but… there’s no marketing and leaping Jov. Nov 26 13:14
Eruaran It was quite a few months ago now that the whole thing fell through… Our directors were clearly uncomfortable with the deal and pulled out of it. Nov 26 13:15
schestowitz Harvesting dangers.. British Gover[n]ment Loses A Computer A Week, But What About The Data? < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008… > Nov 26 13:16
schestowitz Apple are none to do deals with… Nov 26 13:16
schestowitz From the news yesterday: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1544… Nov 26 13:17
schestowitz “Apple Levels DMCA on IPodhash Project [...] The worst thing about DRM? The things it makes people do. Take the iPodhash project, a group of coders dedicated to reverse-engineering Apple’s database files on the iPod classic and iPod touch. Doing so allows for third-party utilities to access information on the iPod, which is particularly useful for those who want to use their iPods on Linux, since there’s no version of iTunes av Nov 26 13:17
schestowitz ailable for that platform.” Nov 26 13:17
Eruaran I’ll be quite happy if iTunes is never available for Linux Nov 26 13:18
schestowitz http://www.computerworld.com.pt/site… “Mas Roy Schestowitz, escritor freelancer e co-editor do sítio Boycott Novell (que foi criado em protesto contra a parceria), argumenta que o resultado do acordo não foi tão positivo como ambos os fabricantes defendem. “A Novell perdeu a confiança da comunidade, e a sua quota de mercado caiu consideravelmente face a concorrentes que não embarcaram em acordos do géne Nov 26 13:18
schestowitz ro”, afirma.” Nov 26 13:18
schestowitz http://translate.google.com/translate?source… Nov 26 13:19
schestowitz Eruaran: people should just stop buying Apple stuff. Nov 26 13:19
Eruaran That too… Nov 26 13:19
schestowitz based not on it being a large company but based on its policies on tech (DRM and all) Nov 26 13:20
schestowitz Only this way we can save people’s control of their own devices, PCs, and… well, modern life.. Nov 26 13:20
schestowitz A bigger issue is control at ISP level… http://techdirt.com/articles/20081123… Nov 26 13:21
schestowitz “Is it really so hard to allow open discussion on such a topic? If BT believes that it’s reasonable to use the technology, then why not explain why clearly, responding to the critics? The only reason to erase these discussions is if BT knows that what’s it’s doing is highly questionable, and BT would rather not have to explain itself” Nov 26 13:21
Eruaran Apple’s tight control over iTunes and its devices is actually at odds with fair use rights under Australian law. Nov 26 13:21
Eruaran *Australian copyright law Nov 26 13:22
schestowitz Same in Scandinavia. Nov 26 13:23
schestowitz Well, that of interoperability mostly. But in non-fascistic countries Apple is already under fire Nov 26 13:23
schestowitz What a bunch of Gartner bull from IDC (IDG): Indians See Mobile Phones as a Necessity in Economic Crisis < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154540/… > Nov 26 13:25
Eruaran “violates Apple’s FairPlay DRM” – heh, FairPlay DRM violates Australian copyright law – if Apple went to court with this in Australia, they’d lose. Nov 26 13:26
schestowitz BTW, if your bosses mention Gartner, show them this new one: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/… (bottom part) Nov 26 13:27
Eruaran Its ‘fair use’ under Australian law for the owner to make backup copies of music for personal use Nov 26 13:27
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505… Nov 26 13:27
schestowitz “For example, the summary of Microsoft’s meeting with several Gartner analysts in October of 2006 is fascinating, and made more so by Jamin Spitzer, group manager of Worldwide Analyst Relations at Microsoft, who suggests that two objectives of the meeting with Gartner were to create “confidence in the Vista product, OEM/Retail channel, and device/app compatibility,” as well as “provide Gartner ‘wiggle room’.” Nov 26 13:27
schestowitz New: EFF Berates Apple Over Open-source ITunes Project < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15453… > Nov 26 13:28
schestowitz Apple can get away with evil things because they brainwash people (market also) to the point of being oblivious to rights. Nov 26 13:28
schestowitz “Apple’s attempt to quash an effort to help the latest iPods and iPhones work with non-Apple software such as the Linux operating system is out of line, the Electronic Frontier Foundation said Tuesday.” Nov 26 13:29
schestowitz “Because iTunes does not run on Linux, the iPodhash project is important to the Linux community, Odio said.” Apple should be ashamed of themselves. Someone should inform Neelie Kroes Nov 26 13:30
schestowitz Or Vivian Reding rather. Nov 26 13:30
Eruaran Circumvention is permissable under Australian law if restrictions enforced by the manufacturer of a product block the purchaser of that product from using it in a way that is lawful in Australia. Nov 26 13:31
Eruaran Apple doesn’t have a right to restrict the user from doing what is lawful. Nov 26 13:32
schestowitz Well, but they can suppress projects outside Australia Nov 26 13:32
Eruaran There is a catch Nov 26 13:32
MinceR it isn’t lawful where there’s WIPO Nov 26 13:32
Eruaran If you agree to Apples licensing terms Nov 26 13:32
Eruaran If you purchase the product and agree to Apples terms, thats a contract. Nov 26 13:33
Eruaran Same as agreeing to Microsoft’s EULA Nov 26 13:34
schestowitz Nobody reads that/ Nov 26 13:35
schestowitz Some people receive the junk as ‘part’ of the PC or a present (e.g. iPod) Nov 26 13:35
Eruaran It is possible to argue that they are not binding as Australian law takes precedence, and probably you will win… but you’ll probably still have to duke it out in court. Nov 26 13:35
schestowitz Apple and Microsoft should be trialed for abuse through predatory licensing, esp. where choice is being limited illegally (esp. Microsoft) Nov 26 13:36
schestowitz IT Job Growth Slows — Hiring on Hold < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154499/it_job… > Nov 26 13:36
schestowitz Google’s layoff RUMOUR continues to spread. Nov 26 13:36
schestowitz I hear that Microsoft is the same.. Nov 26 13:36
schestowitz Quiet small layoffs, but no major announcement, just denials and all…….. Nov 26 13:36
Eruaran We’re upgrading a clients ClarkConnect server tomorrow Nov 26 13:37
Eruaran They have encryption up to the eyeballs there… I think even their toilet paper is encrypted ;) Nov 26 13:38
schestowitz Sawfish? Nov 26 13:44
Eruaran its mostly windows stuff Nov 26 13:45
Eruaran I dunno what they’re using… I’m just installing ClarkConnect tommorrow and having a play around with their server Nov 26 13:46
Eruaran the rest will all be onsite Nov 26 13:46
Eruaran I’ll find out though Nov 26 13:47
MinceR perhaps at least the ones directly screwed by crApple will decide not to buy crApple products anymore and to spread the word Nov 26 13:56
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schestowitz Some already do Nov 26 14:06
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schestowitz BANNED Pres. Bush Interview < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9i… > Nov 26 14:18
schestowitz Rude and insane… interrupting the interviewer, talking about his God… Nov 26 14:22
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schestowitz WTF? “comment – oppose patent reform – it undermines the industrial & technical leadership of the US & encourages off-shoring & patent piracy” http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F… Nov 26 14:25
schestowitz Pro-patents propaganda is thrown onto YouTube… http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c7h6Z4MlqIc# Who makes this stuff? Nov 26 14:30
Eruaran I commented on it Nov 26 14:41
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schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/… “Quantum parks 180 staff” Nov 26 14:53
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schestowitz Apple forced to pull misleading UK iPhone ad < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/26… > Nov 26 14:53
schestowitz Cisco could use some toppling too: Cisco shares dip after reports of holiday shutdown < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25… > Nov 26 14:57
schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2… “Seems that the BNP database wasn’t hacked from the outside, but that someone on the inside leaked the list.” Nov 26 15:00
schestowitz More pro-patents zealot (fences, fences, fences!): http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?… Nov 26 15:10
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Eruaran This comment from El Reg says it nice and concisely: “MS absolutely cannot grasp that the market wants less OS, not more” Nov 26 15:28
Eruaran http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/10/28/… Nov 26 15:28
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/busine… “In preparation, Nokia said it would port its Qt cross-application framework to Symbian in a move to attract developers of other platforms.” Nov 26 15:28
schestowitz Now we know for a fact what they plan for Qt… SymbiDRM. Nov 26 15:29
Eruaran Now that is interesting news Nov 26 15:29
schestowitz Oh no.. Nov 26 15:29
schestowitz The Reg review? Nov 26 15:29
schestowitz Is that from Tim? Nov 26 15:29
MinceR i wonder how much money nokia will waste on symbian before admitting defeat. Nov 26 15:30
Eruaran ah dunno, I didn’t bother reading the review Nov 26 15:30
Eruaran Just the comments Nov 26 15:30
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09/… Nov 26 15:30
schestowitz MinceR: it’s like Sun with MySQL Nov 26 15:30
schestowitz People still use MySQL.. on GNU/Linux Nov 26 15:30
MinceR well, mysql did have _some_ value before sun took over it, didn’t it? Nov 26 15:30
schestowitz Symbian bleeds market share… to Apple, Google, LiMo… Nov 26 15:31
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schestowitz Former Microsoft employees + Mono + Apple = {heart} http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/perm… Nov 26 16:02
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twitter good morning, just catching up with the Apple DMCA story. Nov 26 16:14
twitter it really pisses me off. Nov 26 16:15
twitter Every time I look for a music player, I’m confronted with an ugly reality of M$ and Apple DRM barbs. Nov 26 16:16
twitter Want to know why there are no Vorbis players?  M$ OEM lock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10… Nov 26 16:17
twitter I have an older Trekstor that works with ogg and is nice and small but it’s random play is just another ordered list and the controls are somewhat clumsy. Nov 26 16:20
twitter iPod, of course, is out of the question for stunts like this Nov 26 16:20
twitter I’ll only consider RockBox compatible units and buy one used. Nov 26 16:21
twitter http://www.rockbox.org/ Nov 26 16:21
twitter cool, a recent article http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/25/ro… Nov 26 16:22
twitter by Cory no less. Nov 26 16:22
schestowitz For a while some years ago I thought Rockbox was Linux-based Nov 26 16:25
_doug “The complaining company is not identified in the report” Nov 26 16:30
_doug who is the complaning company ? Nov 26 16:30
twitter I don’t know the guts of it, I just know that it would be better for what I want that iPod’s firmware. Nov 26 16:30
_doug http://www.pcworld.com/article/123146/mi… Nov 26 16:30
twitter If you believe that, anything is possible. Nov 26 16:33
twitter M$ made it’s will more clear in that case than they did in the EEEPC case. Nov 26 16:34
twitter The world was flooded with poor selling “plays for sure” devices and nary an ogg could be found.  They also crammed the inferior music transfer protocol (MTP) instead of USB mass storage transfer onto many devices, which did not work with GNU/Linux at the time. Nov 26 16:36
twitter What’s funnier than all of that is that their “Plays for Sure” program was a failure and they created a whole new and incompatible DRM scam for the Zune, which also cratered. Nov 26 16:37
twitter At the time, iRiver and several other companies were using ogg, then M$ comes out with the exclusive license and everything dried up. Nov 26 16:38
twitter Everyone, including M$, was harmed. Nov 26 16:38
MinceR twitter: iirc cowon offers players that support ogg vorbis and flac Nov 26 16:39
schestowitz Yes, they ruined Creative too. Nov 26 16:39
schestowitz I remember iRiver. Nov 26 16:39
schestowitz it’s their fault for falling for Fails4Sure Nov 26 16:40
twitter Yes, it was a classic M$ extortion. Nov 26 16:40
twitter I’d expect a lot of companies would be getting out of the M$ rut by now, but M$ still has a desktop threat for them. Nov 26 16:40
twitter Apple proved you can do better without M$ in the way, but even they are sabotaged.  iTunes is periodically broken on Vista. Nov 26 16:41
twitter It’s one of the many reasons people don’t use Vista at home. Nov 26 16:42
twitter Sadly, Apple too is a DRM sellout. Nov 26 16:42
schestowitz Apple pretends to resist, Microsoft takes pride in DRM Nov 26 16:46
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Omar87 schestowitz: Hi Nov 26 17:02
schestowitz Hey Nov 26 17:02
_doug HP hides pricing from open-source competitors .. Nov 26 17:06
_doug http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10107677-… Nov 26 17:06
_doug TiVo announces profits of $100.6 million for third quarter .. Nov 26 17:07
_doug http://news.cnet.com/8300-1001_3-92.html Nov 26 17:07
schestowitz Clarification in Google workforce: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10… Nov 26 17:09
schestowitz I hear it’s the same with Microsoft… contracts and temps make it possible to reduce headcount without layoffs per se Nov 26 17:10
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schestowitz Abuse in Wired of the word  “Open”/”Source”: Open Source Wi-Fi Service Claims Ten Million Hotspots In Network < http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/20… >Nothing to do with FOSS!! Nov 26 17:12
schestowitz I think I’m gonna have me some open source dinner, get some open source nap and then check my E-mail on an open source network with an open source-ish E-mail accounts… Nov 26 17:12
PetoKraus opensource is just a fkn buzzword Nov 26 17:13
schestowitz Where can I download the source code to the Wi-Fi access Wired speaks of? Nov 26 17:14
schestowitz Python Shows Continual Growth in Open Source Projects < http://www.zeapartners.org/Members/netsig… > Nov 26 17:15
PetoKraus “As a measure to prevent automated posting by robots, JavaScript is required. Please enable it in your browser’s settings and resubmit your comment.” Nov 26 17:16
PetoKraus WTF?!? Nov 26 17:16
PetoKraus oh man, that page has even poorer coding practices than mine Nov 26 17:17
schestowitz Lots of sites do this. Nov 26 17:18
MinceR lol Nov 26 17:19
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schestowitz I notice many sites where I could readily and easily leave/read comments.. they move to some JS-based comment syste,m. Nov 26 17:19
MinceR i didn’t know browsers could pass the Turing test Nov 26 17:19
schestowitz In some case I thought they had dropped comments, which was weird. Then I enabled JS and voila! Nov 26 17:19
schestowitz Microsoft’s open source shillstrers  (Aras) buy a place under the stars (it’s not open source, it’s monopolysoft): http://www.mbtmag.com/article/CA661731… Nov 26 17:21
schestowitz Open source new will gradually be contaminated by Microsoft lockin in disguise (e.g. dotnetnuke) and all sorts of fakers and off-topics… Nov 26 17:22
schestowitz Mac apps for F/OSS wannabes:  http://news.softpedia.com/news/Seven-Free… Nov 26 17:24
trmanco Sun promoting Exchange http://pt.sun.com/practice/solutions/sm… Nov 26 17:28
schestowitz More abuse of the term “open source”: http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/23/zoy… Nov 26 17:32
schestowitz trmanco: what dos it say? Is it new? Nov 26 17:32
trmanco I received an email from Sun, and it pointed me to that link Nov 26 17:33
trmanco In a nutshell, it says you can implement Exchange 2007 on Sun super fast servers Nov 26 17:33
trmanco Sun’s Nov 26 17:34
schestowitz Nice story: http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/23… Nov 26 17:35
schestowitz Asay et al: Mac users, OSI ignorers, fork-hostile (yet self proclaimed open source fans and on OSI Board):  http://ask.slashdot.org/ask… Blech. I won’t recommend Alfresco anymor.e Nov 26 17:36
schestowitz trmanco: Sun does Windows servers too. It’s not news. It’s ugly, but not new. :-) Nov 26 17:37
trmanco well, they could at least promote other software then Monopolysoft’s software Nov 26 17:38
schestowitz Yes. Nov 26 17:38
trmanco bbl Nov 26 17:51
*trmanco is going to study math Nov 26 17:51
twitter Dell sucks down the Azure KoolAid, http://www.on-demandenterprise.com/offthewire/D… Nov 26 18:02
twitter I would not base anything on a Slashdot slam like that.  Alfresco has GPL’d code.  I don’t like the “Enterprise version” business model because it’s really a non free model with a give away version.  The question to ask is what direction the company is moving. Nov 26 18:07
twitter If they are moving from free to non free, they should be ignored, but encouraged to go the other way. Nov 26 18:08
schestowitz Yes, I didn’t see a rebuttal. Nov 26 18:10
twitter If Alfresco has a company policy of GPLing all of their code in time, I don’t see a big problem with them doing what they do. Nov 26 18:12
twitter Of course, I don’t really know what they do.  Sadly, I don’t expect to find out in Slashdot’s comments. Nov 26 18:13
PetoKraus schestowitz: you are pretty quiet today Nov 26 18:16
PetoKraus 3 posts… Nov 26 18:16
schestowitz Yes, I know. Nov 26 18:33
schestowitz I’ll catch up in a moment Nov 26 18:33
schestowitz http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/ent… “> He says so many negative, nasty, and acrid things about Linux that there is only one possible answer: Steve Ballmer Loves Linux.” Nov 26 18:35
schestowitz Very weird post from Ken Hess (“Steve Ballmer Loves Linux”). He recently wrote some kind of “hire me, Microsoft” article. Nov 26 18:36
_doug schest: reset packets and ISPS .. Nov 26 18:48
_doug http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200711… Nov 26 18:49
_doug I have noticed a lot of dropped packets (Wireshark) Nov 26 18:49
_doug This directly at the router .. Nov 26 18:50
schestowitz This is from last year Nov 26 18:51
schestowitz Is the site being ‘managed’? Nov 26 18:51
_doug ? Nov 26 18:52
schestowitz Is BN ‘paced’ by routers? Nov 26 18:52
_doug I don’t think so I was refering to peer-to-peer services .. Nov 26 18:53
schestowitz PetoKraus: I’m doing some posts now. Nov 26 19:00
PetoKraus :) good Nov 26 19:00
schestowitz _doug: peer is a scary word to the MAFIAA Nov 26 19:01
schestowitz They love consumer-producer, not “peer” Nov 26 19:01
schestowitz 1 person delivers to one million Nov 26 19:01
schestowitz Not 1000-to-1000 Nov 26 19:01
*PetoKraus np: Alex Brandon – Deus Ex Main Title (Deus Ex Soundtrack) Nov 26 19:03
PetoKraus one of the games which actually got it right. Nov 26 19:03
PetoKraus i mean, how does the world work like, and everything Nov 26 19:03
PetoKraus fkn illuminati :P Nov 26 19:04
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yuhong BTW, on the Windows parts of Boycott Novell. Nov 26 20:17
twitter You asked me about Slashdot user Ed Avis a couple of days ago.  He’s subtle, but I just added him to the troll zoo, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737 Nov 26 20:18
twitter yuhong, what Windows parts? Nov 26 20:18
yuhong The amount of processes running and memory used on both Windows and Linux depends on what components are installed. Nov 26 20:18
yuhong For example, a command-line only system will take less memory than a GUI system. Nov 26 20:19
yuhong And that is true on both Windows and Linux. Nov 26 20:19
twitter A non free system wastes effort with duplicate libraries and DRM that is not found on free software. Nov 26 20:19
schestowitz Avis… needs evidence Nov 26 20:19
schestowitz Assume tyhe reader saw nothing. Nov 26 20:20
twitter Evidence has been collected, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/218245 Nov 26 20:20
twitter It took an hour or two. Nov 26 20:20
twitter Nasty work Nov 26 20:20
*schestowitz looks Nov 26 20:20
yuhong I read blog posts on Windows 7 on your blog, and I just wanted to say this. Nov 26 20:21
twitter yuhong, for any given task, free software is usually more efficient. Nov 26 20:21
schestowitz *LOL* priceless. Nov 26 20:21
twitter Kennedy did some good benchmarking of Windows 7. Nov 26 20:22
schestowitz yuhong: I already know you’re a Microsoft apologist. That’s fine. Nov 26 20:22
twitter It’s basically Vista and it sucks. Nov 26 20:22
yuhong The amount of processes running and memory used on both Windows and Linux depends on what components are installed. Nov 26 20:22
yuhong For example, a command-line only system will take less memory than a GUI system. Nov 26 20:22
yuhong And that is true on both Windows and Linux. Nov 26 20:22
schestowitz Fine, yuhong. Are you paid for this? Nov 26 20:22
yuhong No, and in fact I admit that free software provide more freedom. Nov 26 20:23
twitter See here for how Windows 7 sucks, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/j… Nov 26 20:23
schestowitz twitter: I’m suspicious about yuhong Nov 26 20:23
schestowitz He comes to BN and also Roughly Drafted only to defend Microsoft. He lives in Seattle. Nov 26 20:23
twitter I remember the name. Nov 26 20:24
yuhong I once saw a demo of Windows 7 on a netbook, and I suspect that it was trimmed down. Nov 26 20:24
twitter Why are you interested when you could just use free software and have a better result? Nov 26 20:24
yuhong Because the issue at hand here is technical, not related to freedom. Nov 26 20:25
twitter What issue?  Windows 7 and Vista fail both freedom and performance. Nov 26 20:26
yuhong The issue of trimming it down. Nov 26 20:26
yuhong I admit that all versions of Windows certainly fails freedom. Nov 26 20:26
twitter They can trim it all the way back to XP and it still sucks. Nov 26 20:26
yuhong In freedom. Nov 26 20:27
twitter In performance and features too. Nov 26 20:27
yuhong I don’t think so. Nov 26 20:27
yuhong Features, well, you always lose features when you trimmed it down. Nov 26 20:27
twitter The first EEE PC is a good example.  It required an extra 4GB SD card just to fit the OS and some basic programs that did not match the Xandros feature set. Nov 26 20:28
twitter Performance also lagged. Nov 26 20:28
twitter Speed, security, UI comfort all sucked. Nov 26 20:28
yuhong Windows XP was not componented very well. Nov 26 20:29
twitter Windows never is. Nov 26 20:29
yuhong Windows 7 will be better componented than XP, I think. Nov 26 20:29
yuhong Anyway, bye. Nov 26 20:30
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yuhong BTW, I actually live in Shoreline, Washington. Nov 26 20:40
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schestowitz twitter: let’s not feed him. I got his spiel after a while. He’s here to advertise Windows. He does it in other sites too. Nov 26 20:42
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schestowitz MySociety puts e-democracy up for sale < http://www.theregister.co.uk/… > Nov 26 21:33
schestowitz “Happy Thanksgiving holiday, United States. Here’s your first helping of holiday terrorist panic.”< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2… > Nov 26 21:34
trmanco anybody have a cool quote for an email sig? Nov 26 21:37
schestowitz Rumors Swirl About Google CEO Exit < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… > Nov 26 21:38
schestowitz trmanco: I have many Nov 26 21:38
trmanco schestowitz, do you mind posting your best one here? I’ll put it in my email signature :-P Nov 26 21:40
schestowitz New Microsoft layoffs. Nov 26 21:40
schestowitz Hold on while I blog it. Nov 26 21:40
trmanco thanks Nov 26 21:43
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/20… Nov 26 21:53
schestowitz My Skype footprint at the moment is this (because of the situation in the world): “Strive not to be a man of success, but rather strive to be a man of value.” –Albert Einstein Nov 26 21:54
trmanco http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3… Nov 26 21:59
schestowitz *LOL* Nov 26 22:01
schestowitz Put Windows on a separate poster. Nov 26 22:01
trmanco Ubuntu and MAC are the same Nov 26 22:01
MinceR :) Nov 26 22:01
MinceR ubuntu has more options Nov 26 22:01
trmanco the Ubuntu Windows is just bigger that is all :-P Nov 26 22:01
schestowitz Fun buttons Nov 26 22:01
trmanco window* Nov 26 22:01
trmanco yeah Nov 26 22:01
schestowitz The ‘make you feel like you’re in control’ dropdown Nov 26 22:01
MinceR isn’t that 802.11x? Nov 26 22:02
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schestowitz In a matter of hours, PC World posted 3 items of the same news about Apple (ban): http://www.pcworld.com/article/… http://www.pcworld.com/article/154563/.html?tk=rss_news http://www.pcworld.com/article/154566/.html?tk=rss_news Nov 26 22:28
schestowitz Midori is cool (not Microsoft’s vapourware): http://fosswire.com/2008/11/24/midori-a-l… (Midori – a Lightweight WebKit Browser for Linux) Nov 26 23:09
GoblinRFD Hello all….. Nov 26 23:22
schestowitz Hey, GoblinRFD Nov 26 23:22
schestowitz Lots of good news recently. Nov 26 23:22
GoblinRFD Yeah Ive been reading (although Ive been distracted with a nasty little BT project Im working on)I dont suppose anyone has any experience of bittorrent coding? Nov 26 23:23
schestowitz Throttling? Nov 26 23:24
schestowitz One of the regulars in this channel is a BT exec Nov 26 23:24
GoblinRFD nah, the problem I have is that I have connected to a swarm, the code keeps hanging the system. Nov 26 23:26
GoblinRFD I cant understand why Nov 26 23:26
GoblinRFD oh hang on. Nov 26 23:27
schestowitz Haha. This is good: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary… Nov 26 23:27
GoblinRFD Unknown host? Nov 26 23:27
GoblinRFD ah it works Nov 26 23:28
GoblinRFD A similar thought occurred to me when our 3month old had to go for a scan.  We could not feed him three hours prior, which I couldnt understand since they were looking at his heart with ultrasound…. Nov 26 23:30
GoblinRFD Yeah….problem solved…. Nov 26 23:32
schestowitz Asking people to fast is ‘cheap’ Nov 26 23:32
schestowitz It’s like asking people to fill out forms on health issues before using a gym, even it’s a one-time thing (hotel) Nov 26 23:32
GoblinRFD yep.  Tragically enough (speaking as an unfit person) all the people I have known that have dropped down dead suddenly were all healthy gym users. Nov 26 23:33
GoblinRFD the chunkies like me seem to go on for ever. Nov 26 23:34
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schestowitz People? You knew not just one to whom this happened? Nov 26 23:37
schestowitz Heh. This guy just added me to his blogroll. :-)) http://steamingopencup.blogspot.com/2008… Nov 26 23:38
GoblinRFD Yeah. Three. Nov 26 23:39
GoblinRFD One had a heart attack cycling Nov 26 23:39
GoblinRFD one was driving to work. Nov 26 23:39
GoblinRFD and the other was a runner (who I didnt know) who collapsed in front of me on the street. Nov 26 23:40
schestowitz *gasp* Nov 26 23:40
GoblinRFD I hope you are not a gym user Roy….otherwise you probably shouldnt be talking to me. Nov 26 23:40
schestowitz Wel… Nov 26 23:40
GoblinRFD Im probably jinxed Nov 26 23:40
schestowitz I only heard of one incident… a friend attended but he worked in an ambulance, so… Nov 26 23:41
GoblinRFD Ironically enough, Ive had a defib course, and am trained to use the machines, unfortunately unlike the US, the machines are not as readilly available here. Nov 26 23:42
GoblinRFD apparently they are everywhere in the US Nov 26 23:42
schestowitz I need to update the shilldex over the weekend. Too many turncoat pseudo-journos are appearing again. Nov 26 23:50
MinceR gn Nov 26 23:51
schestowitz Heh. They’ve restored normal desktop without folderview: http://kde.org/announcements/announ… Nov 26 23:53
schestowitz *sigh* People are still saying that security is just a  matter of market share. That assumption about makert share is not correct. GNU/Linux power many of the world’s servers, yet they don’t suffer much, do they? Nov 26 23:56
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  1. G. Michaels said,

    November 27, 2008 at 4:11 pm

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    Hahahah, that’s a nice touch on the “you asked me about Ed Avis” bit. Amazing Roy, you have time to inquire about individual Slashdot users now? Too bad the timing on your nymshifter’s comment is all wrong, since it comes *after* I posted mine yesterday:

    http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/26/fast-layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-39394

    And funny how this search returns no hits:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+%22Ed+Avis%22

    I’m honestly surprised. I guess it’s the combination of you actively playing his lame little games *and* assuming that people are too stupid to notice.

    Very interesting.

    Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

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