12.02.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 1st, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:36 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

_doug	haaaaa … DOH !	Dec 01 15:19
_doug	What is this doing in my inbox ?	Dec 01 15:24
_doug	“Ho Ho Ho! Microsoft Office 2007 – Still Jolly Good Value this Christmas!”	Dec 01 15:24
_doug	“With Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 now available from as little as €79.99*”	Dec 01 15:24
PetoKraus	*?	Dec 01 15:25
PetoKraus	i proposed a few times to my boss	Dec 01 15:25
PetoKraus	that we should compile OOO with our brand name embedded in	Dec 01 15:25
schestowitz	Only €79.99 as OOXML ransom?	Dec 01 15:25
trmanco	Is this OpenOffice.org’s Firegull Moment?: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-sou…	Dec 01 15:25
PetoKraus	and sell it for like £10 a disc to students	Dec 01 15:25
schestowitz	Come in… relock your docs	Dec 01 15:25
trmanco	80€	Dec 01 15:26
trmanco	:O	Dec 01 15:26
schestowitz	Margins dying.	Dec 01 15:26
schestowitz	Microsoft is like the mythical shopkeeper that goes insane	Dec 01 15:26
trmanco	I would rather spend that money on a FSF membership	Dec 01 15:26
schestowitz	“Take my wares! Please! No Google Docs! Fekchristsake, block openoffice.org”	Dec 01 15:27
PetoKraus	trmanco: i do	Dec 01 15:27
PetoKraus	60$ a year	Dec 01 15:27
PetoKraus	i just dunno why i am member of FSF US	Dec 01 15:27
trmanco	PetoKraus, I’m saving up some money to do that	Dec 01 15:27
schestowitz	## Microsoft Filter 1.0	Dec 01 15:27
schestowitz	ALLOW MSN.COM	Dec 01 15:27
schestowitz	ALLOW HOTMAIL.COM	Dec 01 15:27
schestowitz	BLOCK APPS.GOOGLE.COM	Dec 01 15:27
schestowitz	BLOCK MOZILLA.COM	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	BLOCK OPENOFFICE.ORG	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	END	Dec 01 15:28
PetoKraus	improper C# syntax :/	Dec 01 15:28
trmanco	lol	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	ERR	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	Fail.	Dec 01 15:28
trmanco	wait	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	Reboot	Dec 01 15:28
schestowitz	If no good, reinstall Win32	Dec 01 15:28
PetoKraus	you know i always wondered	Dec 01 15:28
PetoKraus	WHY does driver need .net framework to install?	Dec 01 15:29
PetoKraus	like, ATI drivers?	Dec 01 15:29
PetoKraus	is it actually written in .NET?	Dec 01 15:29
schestowitz	Maybe it needs it for technical reasons	Dec 01 15:29
schestowitz	But dependencies can be made artificially.	Dec 01 15:29
*trmanco after opening 1k Windows:		Dec 01 15:29
schestowitz	Like… require that Moonlight should have some Mono dependency for Poisonware injection.	Dec 01 15:29
trmanco	STOP: 0×00000001 (ALLOW,BLOCK) APC_INDEX_MISMATCH	Dec 01 15:30
schestowitz	Or Tomboy..	Dec 01 15:30
_doug	I’ve never subscribed to a MS newslatter, how did I get on their spam list, what’s more the local spam filter lets it through ..	Dec 01 15:30
_doug	It would be interesting as to how I got on the ‘newsletter’ list ?	Dec 01 15:31
kentma1	_doug: probably a troll deliberately subscribing you to things – to the 12-year-old mind, it’s really funny.	Dec 01 15:32
trmanco	I still think you have to confirm the newsletter before your email gets subscribed	Dec 01 15:33
trmanco	at least the last time I checked	Dec 01 15:33
trmanco	that was about 3 years ago btw	Dec 01 15:33
trmanco		Dec 01 15:33
kentma1	trmanco: I’ve been subscribed to things which require such confirmation. One method might be to subscribe to a different address, then change the address later…	Dec 01 15:34
schestowitz	_doug: maybe Novell gave their partner a buzz	Dec 01 15:34
kentma1	never underestimate the lengths to which the childish mind will go to achieve something utterly pointless.	Dec 01 15:34
kentma1	(in order to achieve, I meant)	Dec 01 15:34
trmanco	kentma1, nice point	Dec 01 15:34
trmanco	I haven’t thought of thatr	Dec 01 15:35
trmanco	that*	Dec 01 15:35
_doug	that account is only ever used for private communication, and I would imagine the MS subscription requires email confirmation ..	Dec 01 15:35
schestowitz	[fine print] *We may share your data with our partners.	Dec 01 15:35
schestowitz	_doug: maybe it’s a faker.	Dec 01 15:35
_doug	No, MS got hold of a spam list and is using it ..	Dec 01 15:35
trmanco	Fixing Linux: What’s Broken And What To Do About It: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/l…	Dec 01 15:35
kentma1	_doug: see my remark of a moment ago on how that might be achieved…	Dec 01 15:35
schestowitz	Did you check the URL?	Dec 01 15:35
_doug	Yea, it’s MS alright ..	Dec 01 15:36
trmanco	guess what is the first problem? Package Management	Dec 01 15:36
trmanco	troll	Dec 01 15:36
schestowitz	Well…	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	It was put on Digg 2 minutes ago.	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	And I know the writer’s history	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	He’s not a troll, but he’s a GNU/Linux n00b	Dec 01 15:37
trmanco	I caught it in my feeds	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	He was a Windows journalist until about a year ago	Dec 01 15:37
trmanco	ok	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	He’s not trolling much	Dec 01 15:37
schestowitz	To his credit, he writes positive things too and the title is not too provocative.	Dec 01 15:38
schestowitz	Alex Wolfe is the troll in InfoWeek	Dec 01 15:38
_doug	a solution in search of a problem ..	Dec 01 15:38
schestowitz	He even brought his trolling to COLA (USENET)	Dec 01 15:38
_doug	I only need the one distro to work with the one package management system ..	Dec 01 15:38
schestowitz	_doug: bingo!	Dec 01 15:38
schestowitz	Oops.	Dec 01 15:39
schestowitz	That bingo remark referred to ” a solution in search of a problem”	Dec 01 15:39
twitter	busy morning!	Dec 01 15:39
_doug	the ultimate cross-platform package-management is to compile from source ..	Dec 01 15:39
schestowitz	Linux worked all right, but I need to write something that drawn in reader on an emotional basis and a “Linux is cool” article ain’t such thing.	Dec 01 15:39
trmanco	Slackware	Dec 01 15:39
twitter	You did a good write up about binary interfaces in the kernel recently.	Dec 01 15:40
schestowitz	So let’s digg down under the hood and find things to break apart.	Dec 01 15:40
twitter	ut oh	Dec 01 15:40
schestowitz	twitter: some people want your stalkers banned.	Dec 01 15:40
schestowitz	As in… their comments deleted	Dec 01 15:40
twitter	I saw the G. Michaels stuff. Banning would be better than deleting. It’s a good record of harassment.	Dec 01 15:41
schestowitz	_doug: try to compile from soufce when your ‘EXE’ ‘magic’ stops working in Fista	Dec 01 15:41
twitter	Tagging would be good too.	Dec 01 15:41
schestowitz	Windows applications are not portable.	Dec 01 15:41
_doug	“Native file versioning .. Windows users have this in the form of shadow copies, but no default incarnation yet exists in the standard-issue Linux file systems”	Dec 01 15:41
schestowitz	Not even across archs.	Dec 01 15:41
schestowitz	Key word: default.	Dec 01 15:42
_doug	“the ability to roll back a file to a given point in time as a default piece of functionality isn’t a frivolity.”	Dec 01 15:42
schestowitz	had he tried to research properly, he would realise that he’s wrong.	Dec 01 15:42
schestowitz	_doug: good, so he should get the programs for it.	Dec 01 15:42
_doug	That isn’t such a problem in nix, as the latest ‘service pack’ don’t bork the whole system	Dec 01 15:42
twitter	and file systems in GNU/Linux don’t just blow up.	Dec 01 15:43
twitter	NTFS implosions tend to wipe out the “shadow copy” too	Dec 01 15:43
_doug	Goback: as you don’t know what the latest upgrade is going to do to the file system .. a solution in search of a MS problem ..	Dec 01 15:44
twitter	In 10 years of GNU/Linux use, I have never lost a file to file system corruption or system crap out.	Dec 01 15:44
twitter	Even when drives start to crap out, I have been able to get the information off.	Dec 01 15:45
twitter	In related news, M$FT is back under $20 http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT	Dec 01 15:45
_doug	‘”Desktop” .. a graphical user interface that makes using and managing the system all the easier no matter what your level of technical expertise’	Dec 01 15:46
twitter	that is part of a broader market flop of 5% this morning.	Dec 01 15:46
_doug	Is ‘ease of navagation’ the current FUD issue ?	Dec 01 15:47
twitter	“Ease of use” is an old M$ FUD issue that never dies.	Dec 01 15:47
_doug	“To that end, what’s needed is a single steering committee for all GUIs that work on Linux, so that whatever GUIs are created .. to have tight integration of features with the kernel, a la BeOS”	Dec 01 15:47
_doug	Hey he mentions BeOS ..	Dec 01 15:48
twitter	You would think the EEE PC, which stands for “easy easy easy” would have put it to rest, at least for commercially supported distros, but the M$ FUDsters have nothing to do with reality.	Dec 01 15:48
_doug	This is a curious co-incidence, ReverseDRT, on this channel, mentioned precicly this, the lack of navagibility in the Linux GUI, he mentioned BeOS ..	Dec 01 15:49
twitter	They make impossible and irrational demands that have nothing to do with the perceived problem. The only real problem free software has is with uncooperative OEMs and broadcast content owners.	Dec 01 15:49
twitter	All sorts of trolls mention BeOS. It’s something most people don’t know about, so they can pull it out of their ass and look smart.	Dec 01 15:50
_doug	“If Linux will continue to draw regular PC users away from Windows, it’ll need to have many of the same features as Windows”	Dec 01 15:51
twitter	No list of features?	Dec 01 15:51
twitter	typical	Dec 01 15:51
_doug	remote backup ..	Dec 01 15:51
twitter	done better with grsync	Dec 01 15:51
_doug	personally I run a script that backups to a local box under NFS ..	Dec 01 15:52
_doug	Else I FTP to a remote server ..	Dec 01 15:52
twitter	rsync uses OpenSSH and is more secure.	Dec 01 15:52
twitter	you could drop it into your script if you wanted.	Dec 01 15:53
_doug	Yea, the script uses rsync, and creates incrimental backups ..	Dec 01 15:53
_doug	“Windows and Mac users have endless choices: the native file- and system-level backup “	Dec 01 15:54
_doug	breaking news: the lack of backup tools under Linux	Dec 01 15:54
twitter	Windows and Mac users have endless needs.	Dec 01 15:54
twitter	I’m not sure about the lack of tools.	Dec 01 15:55
_doug	“integration with a commercial backup provider for regular users is what’s missing”	Dec 01 15:55
twitter	you can do rsync with almost any remote host server	Dec 01 15:55
twitter	the question is why you would do that rather than buy a $100 external drive.	Dec 01 15:56
_doug	Now here’s a business oppurtunity, how about the ISPs offering such a backup service, paid for by subscriptin .. ?	Dec 01 15:56
twitter	” apt-cache search backup \| wc” returns 135 lines	Dec 01 15:56
_doug	responseto Serdar Yegulalp: technically Linux posesses the tools to do the job. What’s lacking is people commercialising the product.	Dec 01 15:58
twitter	opportunity, yes. need, no.	Dec 01 15:59
_doug	Roy: isn’t there a Linux desktop usability project going somewhere ?	Dec 01 15:59
twitter	Every Window Manager is a usability project.	Dec 01 15:59
_doug	http://www.linux-usability.de/d… Aug 2003 ..	Dec 01 16:01
_doug	ot: did anyone see Spooks last night ?	Dec 01 16:03
*schestowitz doing some reading and writing about Shannon’s entropy today.		Dec 01 16:04
schestowitz	twitter: watch out for a post later… about OEM coercion (since you mentioned it)	Dec 01 16:05
_doug	answer required !!!	Dec 01 16:05
schestowitz	_doug: yes, there is also a usability project for KDE.	Dec 01 16:06
schestowitz	Usability is another word like INNOVA~1. BUZZ.	Dec 01 16:07
_doug	isn’t there a council or something .. the Gnome usability project ?	Dec 01 16:07
schestowitz	I used Metisse while I was on vacation.	Dec 01 16:07
*schestowitz goes nowhere without a Mandriva CD anymore.		Dec 01 16:07
schestowitz	_doug: yes, there is. I have many refs on GNOME and usability.	Dec 01 16:08
schestowitz	USABIL~1	Dec 01 16:08
_doug	spooks, anyone see it ?	Dec 01 16:16
_doug	http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00flyz9…	Dec 01 16:16
_doug	spooks: at 17:59, this renegade MI5 operative points a electronic-immobiliser gun at a paparazzi on a moterbike, causing him to swerve under a truck ..	Dec 01 16:25
_doug	The electronic-immobiliser he got from the manufacturers by forging a signature and getting caught on CC TV ..	Dec 01 16:26
_doug	Wouldn’t it have been simpler to throw the paparazzi off a roof ?	Dec 01 16:26
_doug	who writes these scripts ?	Dec 01 16:27
_doug	The scripts are cring-worthy of a high order .. especially the bits that mention ‘computers’ ..	Dec 01 16:28
_doug	Oh, by the way, the paparazzi had compromising photographs on a USB device, that the kid decoded in four seconds .	Dec 01 16:28
schestowitz	MI5 must be busy these days	Dec 01 16:31
_doug	Is it wise to make an electronic-immobiliser gun, that looks like an assault rifle ..	Dec 01 16:31
twitter	causing an accident remotely is much better than beating up your victim or doing anything else that leaves evidence	Dec 01 16:32
schestowitz	After the Mumbai terrorism, the second great depression that leads to radicalism (BNP et al)… can’t be easy…	Dec 01 16:32
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PetoKraus	twitter: it depends	Dec 01 16:32
PetoKraus	sometimes you just wanna punch someone	Dec 01 16:32
twitter	no, I never feel that way.	Dec 01 16:32
schestowitz	PetoKraus: So you join the poice	Dec 01 16:32
PetoKraus		Dec 01 16:33
schestowitz	They get new toys now.	Dec 01 16:33
PetoKraus	i was thinking about joining army though	Dec 01 16:33
schestowitz	http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&…	Dec 01 16:33
_doug	Look up the episode where the FSB tries to hack into the financial sector, through the fiberoptic link under the northsea.	Dec 01 16:33
_doug	Using a nuclear submarine, only MI5 uses a reverse-hack and disables the sub	Dec 01 16:34
schestowitz	Only in Bond films	Dec 01 16:34
schestowitz	BTW, that’s glorification of sercret services	Dec 01 16:34
twitter	and murder	Dec 01 16:34
_doug	this is the British Broadcasting Corporation ..	Dec 01 16:34
schestowitz	By coincidences I have some Bond sountrack music playing…	Dec 01 16:34
schestowitz	Amazing what music is made available for free out there!	Dec 01 16:35
schestowitz	twitter: no, not murder	Dec 01 16:35
PetoKraus	schestowitz: yes, all the music on torrents…	Dec 01 16:35
PetoKraus		Dec 01 16:35
schestowitz	You’ll see sparks and splinters all around Mr. Bond	Dec 01 16:35
_doug	last word: for a bunch of spooks, they do seem to chatter on their mobile phones lot ?	Dec 01 16:35
schestowitz	But he’s got like.. well, some sort of gravity shield. They always miss him	Dec 01 16:35
twitter	ok, it’s glorification of extrajudical homicide	Dec 01 16:36
schestowitz	Corollary: if you are the Good Guy(R), you are invincible.	Dec 01 16:36
twitter	Good Guys only murder in self defense.	Dec 01 16:36
twitter	They have cool tools to do this and never get dirty/hurt	Dec 01 16:36
schestowitz	PetoKraus: this one is a man’s rendition on keyboard/synthesiser, I think.	Dec 01 16:36
schestowitz	twitter: this reminds me of politics.	Dec 01 16:37
schestowitz	I’ve watched a lot of political videos recently.	Dec 01 16:37
schestowitz	About exploration of hyporcrisy in the west, as told by westerners.	Dec 01 16:37
schestowitz	Brainwash culture too.	Dec 01 16:37
_doug	The ‘real’ news reads like a Bond plot .. simple sound-bytes and easily identifiable good-guys and villians	Dec 01 16:38
twitter	I saw a black helicopter fantasy called “shooter” the other day. It was like a special forces recruitment video.	Dec 01 16:38
_doug	It’s interesting seeing just who spooks consider the villians.	Dec 01 16:39
schestowitz	_doug: that too	Dec 01 16:40
schestowitz	Read Schneier recently?	Dec 01 16:40
_doug	The FSB + Chetan rebels + Al Qaeda	Dec 01 16:40
schestowitz	He talks a lot about things like “security theatre”	Dec 01 16:40
schestowitz	And “movie plot” threat	Dec 01 16:40
twitter	Code Pink has an interesting “war is not a game” initiative that tells parents to avoid “war toys” as gifts.	Dec 01 16:40
_doug	I’ll go take a look .. back in ten ..	Dec 01 16:40
schestowitz	As in… the security ‘dinosaurs’ think of all sort of fictional stuff from Hollywood as /the/ threat	Dec 01 16:40
schestowitz	twitter: they have some pro-military songs right now.	Dec 01 16:41
schestowitz	It’s disguised as a gentle thing about heroism and love,.	Dec 01 16:41
twitter	Disgracefully, a US Supreme Court member recently stood up for torture, he’s also a fan of some silly TV show.	Dec 01 16:41
schestowitz	But really… it’s means for having people think of becoming ‘heros’ by carrying guns and going abroad, IMHO	Dec 01 16:41
schestowitz	Change of one’s mode of mind… amazing what things we get exposed to can do	Dec 01 16:42
schestowitz	Computers games that are violent are even encouraged — in the form of funding — by the US army.	Dec 01 16:42
*kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has left #boycottnovell (“”byebye everybody!””)		Dec 01 16:53
*kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #boycottnovell		Dec 01 16:54
kevin__	hello	Dec 01 16:54
kevin__	does anyone here use the distro “nimblex”? I’m interested in using it on a usb drive, but there’s just one problem	Dec 01 16:54
kevin__	after reading the features included on the website, it says that it “also includes software to skip encryption on PDF’s”	Dec 01 16:55
kevin__	as someone who lives in a nation owned by large companies, i don’t want to risk having the Nazis sent after me for obtaining software that could be used to violate the DMCA	Dec 01 16:56
kevin__	so do you know if that particular pdf software is included by default, or if it is an add-on module?	Dec 01 16:56
kevin__	i looked around the site for a wile and couldn’t seem to find a package list	Dec 01 16:57
kevin__	this distro is cool because it is about 200 megs, includes KDE, Compiz, media players, web browsers etc… perfect for a flash drive	Dec 01 16:57
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 01 16:58
kevin__	hey	Dec 01 16:58
*schestowitz was on phone		Dec 01 16:58
schestowitz	nimblex is lots of everything,but master of none, AFAIK	Dec 01 16:58
schestowitz	One Romanian guy makes it.	Dec 01 16:58
kevin__	i used to use slax	Dec 01 16:59
kevin__	it was nice, but the list of modules isn’t as big as it once was (from 5.1)	Dec 01 16:59
schestowitz	LOL http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12… ( New terror guidelines on photography ) .. never mind if there was never evidence of terrorists using photos	Dec 01 16:59
schestowitz	kapipi: encryption of PDF is removed in Go-OO (Novell)	Dec 01 17:00
kevin__	well, it has always been illegal to take pictures of govt buildings right?	Dec 01 17:00
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0…	Dec 01 17:00
kevin__	i personally avoid PDFs like the plague	Dec 01 17:00
schestowitz	kevin__: my eyes are a camera	Dec 01 17:01
schestowitz	I am lethal!!	Dec 01 17:01
schestowitz	I can draw things from memory	Dec 01 17:01
kevin__	lol	Dec 01 17:01
schestowitz	They erased the photos from phones of Boycott Novell protesters in India	Dec 01 17:01
kevin__	seriously though, people are afraid of MS screwing up free software by way of software patents, but what about DRM/DMCA?	Dec 01 17:02
schestowitz	I suppose you read about that.	Dec 01 17:02
schestowitz	They manage to restore some photos afterwards and post them online.	Dec 01 17:02
schestowitz	ACTA is worse.	Dec 01 17:02
kevin__	what does that stand for?	Dec 01 17:02
schestowitz	I would like the see the media cover this white-collar crime.	Dec 01 17:02
schestowitz	It’s like Bilderberg and G8… unspeakable… no-go area.	Dec 01 17:03
schestowitz	To ISO and Microsoft, the BRM in Geneva was the same.	Dec 01 17:03
schestowitz	Nobody is allowed near the venue where crime (white collar and all) is taking place	Dec 01 17:03
schestowitz	Anti-counterfeiting trade agreement, IIRC	Dec 01 17:03
schestowitz	Put ACTA in Wikipedia	Dec 01 17:04
schestowitz	It’s a bad article though… I was told when I linked to it.	Dec 01 17:04
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m…	Dec 01 17:04
kevin__	perhaps i should e-mail the author of nimblex and ask him if he could take out the circumventing PDF software and give me a copy of the distro… but then i feel like i’m asking for chocolate milk in a bar	Dec 01 17:05
schestowitz	Panda attacks man who wanted a cuddle < http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEn… >	Dec 01 17:05
kevin__	yikes	Dec 01 17:06
schestowitz	The power of brainwash… they give pandas to kids, so these bears must be cuddly, right?	Dec 01 17:06
kevin__	lol	Dec 01 17:06
schestowitz	Watch the image in all In Iquirer pages today, e.g.: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/… ( Baidu bribed to allow unlicensed medical services )	Dec 01 17:06
schestowitz	http://images.vnu.net/en/gb/inq/pic-o…	Dec 01 17:06
schestowitz	kevin__: it’s not infringing (the PDF thing). I don’t think it is.	Dec 01 17:07
schestowitz	Millions of people have that.	Dec 01 17:07
kevin__	there is a radio show where i live that does segments called “bad news over happy music”… that panda story reminds me of it	Dec 01 17:07
schestowitz	Maybe even tens of millions.	Dec 01 17:07
kevin__	i read about a guy once who got nabbed by the FBI. He wrote PDF circumvention software… his name was Dimitri Sclirov (i’m sure i spelled that wrong)	Dec 01 17:09
schestowitz	Isn’t that old news?	Dec 01 17:10
schestowitz	And he /wrote/ it, not just used it.	Dec 01 17:10
kevin__	yep… it happened years ago	Dec 01 17:10
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 01 17:10
schestowitz	Then there’s DVD Jon	Dec 01 17:11
schestowitz	There is another guy with a similar story	Dec 01 17:11
schestowitz	Phil Zimmerman got the spooks on his back for making PGP (or gnupgp	Dec 01 17:11
kevin__	i know they were looking for the guy who cracked wma	Dec 01 17:11
schestowitz	You know who they should look for?	Dec 01 17:11
kevin__	wow i hadn’t heard about that story… i’ll have to read about it	Dec 01 17:11
schestowitz	The people who crack the law with these conspiracies.	Dec 01 17:12
kevin__	agreed	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	“DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies to restrict the technology available to the public. Such conspiracy should be a crime, and the executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.” — Richard Stallman	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	It’s another case of the hyporcrisy I mentioned earleir.	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	Example:	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	Iraq: poor country, US: big	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	Iraq: bad; US: good	Dec 01 17:12
schestowitz	Invading Iraq? Good	Dec 01 17:12
kevin__	but i also think it is partly the citizens’ responsibility not to buy that stuff	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	Why? Good country rescues people from bad people.	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	Likewise.	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	What we have here is MPAA/RIAA/Ballmer/etc.	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	Versus who?	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	“Pirates”	Dec 01 17:13
kevin__	when someone buys a dvd they are just feeding them	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	“Thieves”	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	Code word for “clients”	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	One if a responsible elite, aka Producer	Dec 01 17:13
schestowitz	The other is a lousy consumer	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	Passive word	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	So they are the good forces	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	The customer is evil	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	Always trying to scre those billionaires	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	How dare they?	Dec 01 17:14
_doug	Police forces will be remotely searching hard drives ..	Dec 01 17:14
_doug	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t…	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	So they sey up a conspiracy	Dec 01 17:14
_doug		Dec 01 17:14
kevin__	i think if consumers were educated, we wouldn’t be in this situation right now	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	Let’s arrange it such that Vista has DRM	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	MacBooks likewise.	Dec 01 17:14
schestowitz	People will buy stuff repeatedly.	Dec 01 17:15
kevin__	as long as it’s shiny and has a nice ad	Dec 01 17:15
schestowitz	People produce via peers… so just kill effective communication ports	Dec 01 17:15
schestowitz	Spsonsor and subsidize those who are involved in trend-making	Dec 01 17:15
schestowitz	They are called the “copyrights cartel” even by notable authors	Dec 01 17:15
kevin__	then there are people who know about drm and stuff but buy into it anyway… like leo laporte	Dec 01 17:16
schestowitz	They sees it as a privilege to be sole producers for a negligible crown of mere mortals.	Dec 01 17:16
schestowitz	Which is a form of arrogance that ancient Greece considered a sin.	Dec 01 17:16
kevin__	one second they are complaining about it, the next they’re pushing it on people	Dec 01 17:16
schestowitz	_doug: re HDD, hardly surprising.	Dec 01 17:16
schestowitz	They collaborate with the Vole	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	They get back doors.	Dec 01 17:17
kevin__	case in point, audible	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	Now it’s just out in the open	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	People can no longer own PCs	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	They /share/ PCs with babysitters (adults too)	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	They don’t buy content	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	They /rent/ content	Dec 01 17:17
kevin__	yep	Dec 01 17:17
_doug	new Cloud browser operating system ..	Dec 01 17:17
_doug	http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/good_o…	Dec 01 17:17
schestowitz	Just seen it.	Dec 01 17:18
schestowitz	Do your friends know DRM?	Dec 01 17:19
kevin__	not really	Dec 01 17:19
schestowitz	If you say DRM, do they go like “what?”	Dec 01 17:19
schestowitz	It’s disgraceful.	Dec 01 17:19
kevin__	some of them just circumvent it, which doesn’t help the situation any	Dec 01 17:19
schestowitz	They are not teaching people about it on TV	Dec 01 17:19
schestowitz	As though it’s teaching people about cracking	Dec 01 17:19
schestowitz	Or the making og a bomb	Dec 01 17:19
_doug	Europe rejects stem cell patent ..	Dec 01 17:20
_doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/nov/…	Dec 01 17:20
schestowitz	So the only way to inform people about DRM is stuff like blogs, E-mail, word of mouth	Dec 01 17:20
schestowitz	The media is apathetic, probably by design.	Dec 01 17:20
_doug	DRM is also usefull in monitoring what peopel are watching ..	Dec 01 17:20
schestowitz	“Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria.” –Richard Stallman	Dec 01 17:20
kevin__	but if the law was enforced, it would also help	Dec 01 17:21
schestowitz	“Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct…	Dec 01 17:21
schestowitz	_doug: yes, that too	Dec 01 17:21
schestowitz	DRM is black-boxing.	Dec 01 17:21
schestowitz	Media+’authorised’ player	Dec 01 17:21
kevin__	it’s also a way to turn consumers’ old hardware into literal garbage	Dec 01 17:22
schestowitz	Someone showed me a site the other day — one that encourages not to buy new h/w	Dec 01 17:22
kevin__	even if said hardware could still be useful in some manor, like the xbox	Dec 01 17:22
_doug	I hereby patent all GTCA base pairs ..	Dec 01 17:22
schestowitz	I proably ought to give away my spare PC at home… it’s quite powerful.	Dec 01 17:22
schestowitz	If only I could give up on the need for backup uinit.	Dec 01 17:23
schestowitz	kevin__: the world will wake up when Africans come banging on our door.	Dec 01 17:23
schestowitz	It’s human crime what’s done here.	Dec 01 17:23
schestowitz	All the trash is transported for others to choke and die on.	Dec 01 17:23
schestowitz	But…. that’s “Them” (R), so it’s ‘OK’	Dec 01 17:24
schestowitz	If it were the other way around (Africans using Europe as its dumpster), it would be a different story	Dec 01 17:24
kevin__	yes, going back to the whole OEM licensing, those companies are anti-recycling	Dec 01 17:24
PetoKraus	gosh	Dec 01 17:24
PetoKraus	i’m just reading about the Megan case	Dec 01 17:24
schestowitz	Recycle? Oh gosh!	Dec 01 17:25
PetoKraus	bloody fucking hell, are people nuts, or what?	Dec 01 17:25
schestowitz	What would THAT contribute to the ecnomy?	Dec 01 17:25
kevin__	“don’t recycle, but a new one!”	Dec 01 17:25
kevin__	buy*	Dec 01 17:25
PetoKraus	What the hell are they doing in the States?	Dec 01 17:25
schestowitz	Where economy doesn’t not mean ‘economy’ (green) but means money.	Dec 01 17:25
schestowitz	PetoKraus: yes, I know.	Dec 01 17:25
PetoKraus	it’s aggravating	Dec 01 17:26
PetoKraus	honestly	Dec 01 17:26
PetoKraus	this is exactly the moment when you want to take baseball bat	Dec 01 17:26
PetoKraus	and mash up their faces for being so stupid	Dec 01 17:26
schestowitz	PetoKraus: [sarcasm] send her to Guatanamo bay for some water boarding.	Dec 01 17:26
kevin__	that was a rape case right?	Dec 01 17:26
kevin__	that megan one?	Dec 01 17:26
schestowitz	Though shalt not do online mischiefs	Dec 01 17:26
PetoKraus	kevin__: not really	Dec 01 17:26
PetoKraus	girl commits suicide because of myspace bullyling	Dec 01 17:27
_doug	Intellectual Ventures (IV) buy into Transmeta ..	Dec 01 17:27
_doug	http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/763497	Dec 01 17:27
schestowitz	Yuck	Dec 01 17:27
schestowitz	Do they buy Linus too?	Dec 01 17:27
PetoKraus	and the person who bullied her goes into jail for that	Dec 01 17:27
kevin__	oh ok, i was thinking of megan’s law which i though had something to do with rape	Dec 01 17:27
kevin__	thought*	Dec 01 17:27
schestowitz	PetoKraus: I hope noone whom I criticise in BN commits suicide.	Dec 01 17:28
schestowitz	Yuck, _doug, you’re feeding the Sys-con Monster	Dec 01 17:28
kevin__	we’ve all heard of “digital restrictions management” but what do you think of “dominate/manipulate consumers act” for the DMCA?	Dec 01 17:31
schestowitz	McKinnon’s fate decided on Obama day < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2… >	Dec 01 17:31
kevin__	does it sound any good?	Dec 01 17:31
schestowitz	It’s corporations becoming the govt.	Dec 01 17:32
schestowitz	People need to fight against it.	Dec 01 17:32
schestowitz	Don’t ask me.	Dec 01 17:32
schestowitz	Ask anyone who observes how the so-called ‘elites’ take control until the point of unrest of collapse.	Dec 01 17:32
PetoKraus	schestowitz: well it won’t matter for you	Dec 01 17:33
PetoKraus	after all, you write your terms of service	Dec 01 17:33
_doug	“William P. Tai informed the Board .. of Transmeta .. that he plans to retire .. fulfill .. commitments at Charles River Ventures, a venture capital firm ..”	Dec 01 17:33
_doug	http://investorvillage.com/mbthread.asp?mb…	Dec 01 17:33
_doug	Intellectual Ventures ..	Dec 01 17:33
_doug	http://www.crv.com/portfolio/softw…	Dec 01 17:33
schestowitz	Now with the depression it’ll get worse cause they’ll sweep up all the small companies and centralise further.	Dec 01 17:33
schestowitz	What’s Charles River Ventures?	Dec 01 17:34
kevin__	i would have thought it would get better because people wouldn’t be buying as much DRM-infected content	Dec 01 17:34
schestowitz	Oh, I see…	Dec 01 17:34
schestowitz	Charles River Venture -> Charles River Venture -> Intellectual Ventures > Gates/nathanm	Dec 01 17:35
_doug	Is a company started by a former Transmeta board member, just after IV invested in his company and Transmeta ..	Dec 01 17:35
schestowitz	Spread the load	Dec 01 17:35
schestowitz	Isn’t that shell of Gates also a subsidiary?	Dec 01 17:36
schestowitz	And then there’s Acacia.	Dec 01 17:36
schestowitz	Umbrella under another umbrella.	Dec 01 17:36
schestowitz	Microsoft could separate R&D, make is a separate company, say… INNOVA~1soft, then sue companies and say “well, we have no products” and we have nothing to do with that Macrosift thingie.	Dec 01 17:37
schestowitz	Say goodbye to Google Earth? http://www.pcworld.com/article/154690…	Dec 01 17:38
schestowitz	Kitchen knife… weapon of terrorism	Dec 01 17:39
kevin__	that would sure be sad	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	Twitter… weapon of terrorism	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	Voice… weapon of terrorism	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	Virtual globe… weapon of terrorism	Dec 01 17:39
kevin__	haha	Dec 01 17:39
kevin__	yes, where does it stop	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	Nowhere.	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	It’s stupid.	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	Had they not have GE, they would have used another set of imagery	Dec 01 17:39
schestowitz	That also debunks that whole “no photography” policy	Dec 01 17:40
schestowitz	Heck.	Dec 01 17:40
kevin__	people write software to steal money and the like too, so perhaps they will outlaw compilers	Dec 01 17:40
schestowitz	If I want a photo of something, I go to Flickr and broser a billion or so.	Dec 01 17:40
schestowitz	*browse	Dec 01 17:40
_doug	“Charles River Ventures, a venture capital firm”	Dec 01 17:40
_doug	http://snipurl.com/6zy68	Dec 01 17:40
kevin__	or make trusted computing mandatory	Dec 01 17:41
schestowitz	BWHWHW… I must be planning to attack Eiffel Tower… “We found 387,225 results matching eiffel.” < http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=e… >	Dec 01 17:41
schestowitz	You could probably find every little nut and bolt on that thing.	Dec 01 17:42
kevin__	there’s a fantastic video on youtube about trusted computing	Dec 01 17:42
schestowitz	But if you wear a mask and take photos you’ll be removes from the scene. Well, it keeps the cops busy… make them feel like they do something…. “movie plot” threat	Dec 01 17:42
schestowitz	_doug: good business for “Charles”	Dec 01 17:43
schestowitz	The economy is trillions in debts… no exports… time for some imaginary export.	Dec 01 17:43
schestowitz	“Haallo… Mr. Lee… ya, ya… would you love to buy some of my IP?”	Dec 01 17:44
kevin__	you mean rent?	Dec 01 17:44
schestowitz	Yes.	Dec 01 17:44
schestowitz	But patents expire	Dec 01 17:44
schestowitz	No-one knows when.	Dec 01 17:44
PetoKraus	half the pictures of eiffel tower on flickr are violating that immensely stupid copyright	Dec 01 17:44
schestowitz	Like copyrights…	Dec 01 17:45
PetoKraus	the good thing is, the pictures themselves are copyrighted	Dec 01 17:45
_doug	MS newsletter spam:	Dec 01 17:45
schestowitz	20 years ago it would have expired in the 90s… then they corrupt the law… and VOILA! 95 years!!	Dec 01 17:45
kevin__	as far as i’m concerned, copyrights never expire, because by the time they do i’ll be long gone… what is it now the life of the author plus 50 years?	Dec 01 17:45
PetoKraus	“you have to ask me to use my photo”, no, you have to pay license to publish this photo in the first place, MORON	Dec 01 17:45
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schestowitz	I use Stock Exchange.	Dec 01 17:46
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schestowitz	BN uses lots from there. It’s great for the price.	Dec 01 17:47