IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 27th, 2008

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-28 08:20:21 UTC
Modified: 2008-11-28 08:20:21 UTC

schestowitz	Small embedded circuits is where Linux (or variants) makes it 'small' in very large numbers (maybe billions). HPC is where it makes it big in 'small' numbers. The middle ground is inevitable and as the cost of Windows (XP) drops to $0, esp. on sub-notebooks, the tipping point is just about there.	Nov 27 00:08
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PetoKraus	hmm i am keeping a small statistics of daily visits now	Nov 27 00:30
PetoKraus	of my wee page	Nov 27 00:30
PetoKraus	when I am gonna get okay (ie not sick), i'll start publishing some actual content	Nov 27 00:31
PetoKraus	though I am trying to correlate the numbers with style of post i posted and I miserably fail	Nov 27 00:31
schestowitz	I saw your comment in LinuxLoops	Nov 27 00:31
schestowitz	I left one too	Nov 27 00:31
PetoKraus	linux loops is deteriorating	Nov 27 00:32
PetoKraus	(sp?)	Nov 27 00:32
schestowitz	It's a new site though.	Nov 27 00:32
schestowitz	How can it deteriorate?	Nov 27 00:32
PetoKraus	:D	Nov 27 00:32
schestowitz	I often feel as though the site is merely commentary on some distant post.	Nov 27 00:32
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PetoKraus	it is commentary	Nov 27 00:33
schestowitz	It's like getting an RSS feed of someone's profile in Digg... which my 4 stalkers there do to mod me down systematically.	Nov 27 00:33
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PetoKraus	it used to be straight down to the point a while ago	Nov 27 00:33
schestowitz	Digg is Sikk	Nov 27 00:33
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PetoKraus	i'm getting the feeds since august	Nov 27 00:33
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PetoKraus	though nowadays his commentaries just lack	Nov 27 00:34
PetoKraus	ANY technical sense	Nov 27 00:34
schestowitz	[H]omer bounces between nodes around the world. Weeeeeeeeeee	Nov 27 00:34
PetoKraus	what I don't like is when someone without ANY technical background, or knowledge, tries to push technical news	Nov 27 00:35
PetoKraus	Beranger is okay - he at least understands what's he bitching about	Nov 27 00:35
schestowitz	Like IDG	Nov 27 00:35
PetoKraus	but Linux Loop and these guys yesterday, the podcast... that's just terrible	Nov 27 00:35
schestowitz	[sequence might be deceiving here]	Nov 27 00:35
schestowitz	My remark about IDG related to LACK of technical sense]	Nov 27 00:35
schestowitz	BBC is one of the WORST	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	Which podcast?	Nov 27 00:36
PetoKraus	hmm let's see	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	Cowboys..?	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	Outlaws?	Nov 27 00:36
PetoKraus	linux outlaws	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	Oh, that	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	Lynch and Fab, IIRC	Nov 27 00:36
PetoKraus	yeah	Nov 27 00:36
schestowitz	I just gor their latest URL for posting in the morning.	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	if they done it more professionally it'd be better	Nov 27 00:37
schestowitz	Marcel Cagne is excellent.	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	but this is like "Umm, fab, so, what are we gonna talk about today?!"	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	"Umm, i dunno dan, but you should know...."	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	[silence]	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	[laughter]	Nov 27 00:37
PetoKraus	it's very dangerous to get into stuff like movie composition	Nov 27 00:38
schestowitz	Haha. Well, no preparation.	Nov 27 00:38
PetoKraus	i was lucky enough to do it once with professionals	Nov 27 00:38
schestowitz	Like me and the OOXML podcast... no agenda... nothing.	Nov 27 00:38
PetoKraus	and obviously, when trying to create something myself, I suck	Nov 27 00:39
PetoKraus	but now when I see something obviously irritating about eg movie	Nov 27 00:39
PetoKraus	i know it's wrong and where's the error, just no how to fix it :D	Nov 27 00:40
schestowitz	I don't get the thing about 'pod'( Apple) casts in sites.	Nov 27 00:41
schestowitz	To make something decent you need to script a show	Nov 27 00:42
PetoKraus	yes, exactly	Nov 27 00:42
schestowitz	If you write down a script, then just publish the thing as text ferchrstsake	Nov 27 00:42
schestowitz	Another option is to just publish it as voice.	Nov 27 00:42
schestowitz	Though that can be automated	Nov 27 00:43
schestowitz	When you watch the news and there's always some good-looking woman talking... well, she just reads.	Nov 27 00:43
PetoKraus	the problem with recorded voice is	Nov 27 00:43
PetoKraus	reading is not reading	Nov 27 00:43
schestowitz	I can imagine that it was more primitive in the past so they didn't always just read.	Nov 27 00:43
schestowitz	Stallman's talk are like he's reading.	Nov 27 00:44
schestowitz	Because in essence, he is	Nov 27 00:44
PetoKraus	i mean, if I wanted, i could record separate voice tracks for commentaries for my two small projects	Nov 27 00:44
schestowitz	He 'reads' off memory	Nov 27 00:44
PetoKraus	it just doesn't sound right	Nov 27 00:44
PetoKraus	unless you are trained, obviously	Nov 27 00:44
schestowitz	In academia you'll see the word "sing" used... for people whose work they explained so many times that they can talk about while thinking about something else...	Nov 27 00:44
PetoKraus	:) yes	Nov 27 00:45
PetoKraus	we've got a guy in our lab	Nov 27 00:45
PetoKraus	he's way over 60, i'd say	Nov 27 00:45
schestowitz	Broken radio?	Nov 27 00:45
PetoKraus	not really	Nov 27 00:45
PetoKraus	he's working there for 40 years	Nov 27 00:45
PetoKraus	doing the same two experiments with students last couple of years (two dozens or so)	Nov 27 00:45
schestowitz	There are people like this in USENET too.	Nov 27 00:45
schestowitz	They latch onto topics they master and then repeat the same spiel	Nov 27 00:46
PetoKraus	right. Talk to you later today, now i need to regen myself	Nov 27 00:48
PetoKraus	few difficult days in front of me, my mom's coming here on saturday early early morning	Nov 27 00:48
PetoKraus	cleanup, shopping, etc.... i guess you can imagine :D	Nov 27 00:48
schestowitz	regen muself?	Nov 27 00:51
schestowitz	Be sure to seed the randomiser properly.	Nov 27 00:51
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Omar87	schestowitz: Gentoo User and G. Michael just never stop polluting your site with their off-topic spam. :)	Nov 27 01:15
schestowitz	Yes, I try not to feed them	Nov 27 01:15
schestowitz	They try to associate editorship with twitter, whom they abuse in Slashdot for saying the truth about Microsoft.	Nov 27 01:16
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Omar87	schestowitz: I don't see what how this is a crime..	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	Whose? Microsoft?	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	I used to get abuse from the Munchkins at Digg, for expressing similar views.	Nov 27 01:17
Omar87	schestowitz: I mean, if he was saying the truth about Microsoft, then what's wrong with that?	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	I caused Microsoft a lot of trouble there.	Nov 27 01:17
Omar87	:D	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	I made like 300 front pages stoeies.	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	Some of them were leaks of Microsoft crimes-ish	Nov 27 01:17
schestowitz	So they started a smear campaign (the Microsoft 'fans')	Nov 27 01:18
schestowitz	http://www.workswithu.com/2008/11/25/xa... ( Xavier School Deploys 600 Ubuntu Linux Desktops )	Nov 27 01:18
Omar87	schestowitz: I even bit that some of them are disguised Microsoft people.	Nov 27 01:19
schestowitz	They can be partners	Nov 27 01:20
schestowitz	Some are former Microsoft employees	Nov 27 01:20
Omar87	schestowitz: If course.	Nov 27 01:20
schestowitz	Some are on the payroll.	Nov 27 01:20
schestowitz	For a fact.	Nov 27 01:20
schestowitz	I'm not making this up. That's based on facts and admissions I've come across.	Nov 27 01:20
schestowitz	Microsoft tried selling the impression that none of its people (cronies) ever surfs the Web and leaves a comment or two... or a blog post.. or article without disclosure..	Nov 27 01:21
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, I know. Bribing trolls and spreading disguised Microsoft men and goons all around the worldwide web is a well-known Microsoft technique.	Nov 27 01:22
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schestowitz	Microsoft admits it here: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content..."	Nov 27 01:23
schestowitz	This memo (oops, spare quote symbol there.. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... ) is becoming known to many.... it's super confidential and it does them huge harm now. It shows how Microsoft people are trained... for guerrilla marketing.	Nov 27 01:24
schestowitz	The damage is does can be equated to photos of prisoner torturing by American soldiers... they show who they are (Microsoft in this case)	Nov 27 01:24
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, I know.	Nov 27 01:25
schestowitz	Microsoft trains its employees for "Jihad". It uses the term sparingly.	Nov 27 01:26
schestowitz	Watch the document sometime...	Nov 27 01:27
Omar87	schestowitz: This technique is nothing new, ya know. That's exactly what Microsoft is using now, to promote the campaign for their upcoming Vista 7. :)	Nov 27 01:27
schestowitz	Not just Vista 7. It's universal	Nov 27 01:27
schestowitz	They call ti Slog	Nov 27 01:27
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schestowitz	They do it against GNU/Linux, VMWare, Yahoo!, everything..	Nov 27 01:28
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, that's right. But ya know, Vista 7 is only a link in a very long chain. :)	Nov 27 01:29
Omar87	schestowitz: lol, ya know what? Even Nelson Mandela himself should protest of Ubuntu coming with Mono pre-installed and well-incorporated.	Nov 27 01:31
Omar87	schestowitz: Because this just goes completely against the Ubuntu philosophy.	Nov 27 01:31
seller_liar	Java descentralised websearch	Nov 27 01:33
seller_liar	http://yacy.net/	Nov 27 01:33
schestowitz	Heh.	Nov 27 01:33
seller_liar	anti google and no mono	Nov 27 01:33
schestowitz	What's Nelson E-mail addy?	Nov 27 01:33
schestowitz	*Nelson's	Nov 27 01:33
schestowitz	Groklaw took a shot at Mono earlier, suggesting that people stay out of Ubuntu because of it.	Nov 27 01:34
Omar87	schestowitz: You're gonna tell him about Mono thing? :D	Nov 27 01:34
schestowitz	Well, it says "Humanity for others"	Nov 27 01:35
schestowitz	Not "humanity for The Beast"	Nov 27 01:35
seller_liar	How many distros are mono -free by default?	Nov 27 01:42
schestowitz	I don't know. The KDE-based one should be on the safe side.	Nov 27 01:44
schestowitz	*ones	Nov 27 01:44
seller_liar	I wll the progress of kyoto	Nov 27 01:46
seller_liar	sorry qyoto	Nov 27 01:47
schestowitz	Are toy in contact with Sabayon?	Nov 27 01:47
seller_liar	What?	Nov 27 01:48
schestowitz	I thought you had participated there.	Nov 27 01:50
seller_liar	Sabayon uses mono	Nov 27 01:51
seller_liar	It's good if someone explain the dangers about mono in sabayon forum	Nov 27 01:51
seller_liar	I have tried with paldo but without much sucess	Nov 27 01:52
seller_liar	someone appears and "defend mono"	Nov 27 01:52
schestowitz	Yes, I remember you and Paldo..	Nov 27 01:52
seller_liar	I' m using Lazarus	Nov 27 01:53
seller_liar	A delphi free IDE	Nov 27 01:54
seller_liar	is very but but is functional	Nov 27 01:54
seller_liar	There's no need for mononononon	Nov 27 01:54
schestowitz	Mononono. It does exist.	Nov 27 01:56
seller_liar	Someday I will create a distro based in my concepts and without mono	Nov 27 01:56
schestowitz	http://tim.thechases.com...	Nov 27 01:56
seller_liar	I know	Nov 27 01:56
seller_liar	But the development has been stop	Nov 27 01:56
schestowitz	This is new: http://www.mononono.com/	Nov 27 01:56
seller_liar	stopped	Nov 27 01:57
schestowitz	OMG. http://www.maplandia.com/south-afric...	Nov 27 01:57
schestowitz	There's a real place called that.	Nov 27 01:57
seller_liar	Requests	Nov 27 01:57
seller_liar	-more portability	Nov 27 01:57
seller_liar	-agressive mode : for cancel mono based install	Nov 27 01:57
seller_liar	-info mode : for citing mono alternatives	Nov 27 01:58
seller_liar	I was thinking	Nov 27 02:00
seller_liar	maybe m$-novell pays canonical and fedora to mantain mono by default	Nov 27 02:00
schestowitz	Fedora? No.	Nov 27 02:01
schestowitz	Red Hat...	Nov 27 02:01
seller_liar	Yes	Nov 27 02:01
schestowitz	Mark S does talk to Microsoft... but about codecs, not Mono.	Nov 27 02:01
seller_liar	May this can be true	Nov 27 02:01
seller_liar	Maybe	Nov 27 02:02
schestowitz	When Ubuntu gets infected with Mono, it passes on this infection to many others.	Nov 27 02:02
schestowitz	Mint ('downstream'), but also upstream (they pressure Debian)	Nov 27 02:03
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seller_liar	Some has explained the danger of mono to Mint devs?	Nov 27 02:03
seller_liar	Hey , Roy heheh	Nov 27 02:04
seller_liar	open a campaign	Nov 27 02:04
seller_liar	No Mono	Nov 27 02:04
seller_liar	Tell for all linux people to explain about mono in distro forums	Nov 27 02:05
schestowitz	seller_liar: see the front page of BoycottNovell	Nov 27 02:05
tacone	if there's a problem then it's not mint, but gnome.	Nov 27 02:05
schestowitz	Yes	Nov 27 02:05
tacone	schestowitz: did you see the EU copyright to 95 years thing ?	Nov 27 02:05
schestowitz	GNOME almost encourages the Mono-infected stack because of tomboy.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	tacone: yes, corruption.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	The BBC plays along.	Nov 27 02:06
tacone	and gnome do and banshee and ..	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	I'll write about Italy tomorrow, I hope	Nov 27 02:06
tacone	disney will send them some food for christmans.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	Banshee is a Novell project	Nov 27 02:06
tacone	schestowitz: no hurry for italy.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	Mono is Novell.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	That's where that disease comes from.	Nov 27 02:06
schestowitz	Microsoft/Novell	Nov 27 02:07
schestowitz	Poison mill :-)	Nov 27 02:07
tacone	i don't know if mono will be really bad. but for sure, i choose python for my app.	Nov 27 02:07
seller_liar	Very Strange	Nov 27 02:08
seller_liar	Why M$ pays for Banshee development	Nov 27 02:08
seller_liar	Moonlight codecs?	Nov 27 02:08
seller_liar	Player - Banshee?	Nov 27 02:08
seller_liar	Moonlight -Banshee?	Nov 27 02:08
tacone	i wouldn't recondut all novell initiatives to microsoft.	Nov 27 02:09
tacone	the problem is they use mono for everything.	Nov 27 02:09
seller_liar	Ah , sorry	Nov 27 02:09
schestowitz	I reckon Banshee could become the advocated video player too.	Nov 27 02:09
seller_liar	Novell ,I was tryign to say	Nov 27 02:09
schestowitz	Then get some Windows DRM and whatever...	Nov 27 02:10
seller_liar	But players and movies gives money and patents	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	tacone: yes, they favour Mono.	Nov 27 02:10
seller_liar	Banshe é MIT licensed	Nov 27 02:10
seller_liar	Not Gpl	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	Yes	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	I know.	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	I wrote about it.	Nov 27 02:10
tacone	favour ? they only do mono in my knowledge, don't they ?	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	Not only	Nov 27 02:10
tacone	the issue i see is in a soon future a nice percentage of libs will be made in mono.	Nov 27 02:10
schestowitz	They sometimes (rarely AFAIK) use Java	Nov 27 02:11
tacone	so you rewrite from scratch or suck they core (sorry)	Nov 27 02:11
schestowitz	tacone: that would give Novell leverage over all distros	Nov 27 02:11
schestowitz	And if Microsoft buys Novell, then...	Nov 27 02:11
seller_liar	GOTCHA	Nov 27 02:13
seller_liar	Linux is second class , linux pays patents for me	Nov 27 02:13
seller_liar	everything running linux	Nov 27 02:13
seller_liar	runs in windows	Nov 27 02:13
tacone	apple is a whole another can of worms	Nov 27 02:14
seller_liar	M$ pays apache people for improve hadoop	Nov 27 02:15
seller_liar	this is a problem	Nov 27 02:15
seller_liar	Apple is very stupid and people more stupid	Nov 27 02:15
seller_liar	people buy crApple Iphone	Nov 27 02:16
tacone	apple is everything but stupid	Nov 27 02:16
tacone	btw, i have the phone of death.	Nov 27 02:16
schestowitz	Zune?	Nov 27 02:16
seller_liar	Why ?	Nov 27 02:16
seller_liar	Buy openmoko	Nov 27 02:16
seller_liar	and be happy	Nov 27 02:16
tacone	yes a nice error.	Nov 27 02:17
tacone	apple is much smarter than microsoft, and almost as scaring.	Nov 27 02:17
seller_liar	Do not help crApple in lock-in war	Nov 27 02:17
seller_liar	Apple and M$ are the type of people	Nov 27 02:18
tacone	pft, it froze 5 minutes after buying it. even before the jailbrake.	Nov 27 02:18
seller_liar	the only difference is Steve Jobs hates bill because he have more money	Nov 27 02:18
seller_liar	and steve not	Nov 27 02:19
seller_liar	I was thinking	Nov 27 02:19
seller_liar	It can be good if Blender Devs do a animation about rms story	Nov 27 02:19
seller_liar	People know about $teve and gaytes because of pirates of silicon valley	Nov 27 02:20
tacone	oh btw, acer now sells desktop along with a paper form to get the windows license money back	Nov 27 02:21
tacone	i mean, that paper is in the packaging of the computer, if i didn't get it wrong.	Nov 27 02:21
schestowitz	I agree with seller_liar	Nov 27 02:23
schestowitz	Don't feed Apple if you have a choice.	Nov 27 02:23
tacone	put it this way. i did a mistake.	Nov 27 02:24
schestowitz	It's OK	Nov 27 02:24
schestowitz	The issue is gifting	Nov 27 02:24
schestowitz	I know people who are given gifts that are DRM-laden	Nov 27 02:24
seller_liar	Hey roy	Nov 27 02:31
seller_liar	Put direct <video> links for ff 3.1 users	Nov 27 02:31
seller_liar	promove ff even more	Nov 27 02:31
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seller_liar	Of course , put a simple link for non ff users too	Nov 27 02:32
schestowitz	You mean Ogg?	Nov 27 02:33
seller_liar	yes	Nov 27 02:34
schestowitz	I'll do that.	Nov 27 02:34
seller_liar	thanks	Nov 27 02:34
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schestowitz	http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_video.asp	Nov 27 02:34
seller_liar	http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11...	Nov 27 02:34
seller_liar	good article about crApple	Nov 27 02:34
schestowitz	Why doesn't Opera support it yet?	Nov 27 02:35
schestowitz	They pushed for it the most, IIRC	Nov 27 02:35
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schestowitz	seller_liar: yes, see BN front page. I gave Apple over the head.	Nov 27 02:36
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seller_liar	DMCA is attacking google too	Nov 27 02:58
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Omar87	schestowitz: I'd like to subscribe to your website for RSS feeds, can you give me the feed URL?	Nov 27 07:12
Omar87	Please?	Nov 27 07:13
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yuhong	BTW, just because I defend MS don't mean that I hate Linux.	Nov 27 07:51
yuhong	On the courtesy, I don	Nov 27 07:51
yuhong	On the courtesy, I don't think it is a bad OS.	Nov 27 07:51
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schestowitz	wb, zoobab. Apple is getting flak today. The Mac turn out to have a manufacturing defect(ive by design). People should ask Apple why they attack Free software now: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/apple... Maybe a job for Digital Majority?	Nov 27 08:58
zoobab	we don't care that much about DRM shit	Nov 27 08:59
schestowitz	Okay	Nov 27 08:59
schestowitz	Don't or gave up?	Nov 27 09:00
schestowitz	*Don't care	Nov 27 09:00
MinceR	j0	Nov 27 09:11
MinceR	wow, another manufacturing defect?	Nov 27 09:11
MinceR	i wonder how many will it take for the fanboys to realize it isn't as high-quality as they keep saying	Nov 27 09:11
schestowitz	They need to do a recall	Nov 27 09:11
MinceR	they need to die in a fire	Nov 27 09:12
schestowitz	Reimage the HDDs	Nov 27 09:12
schestowitz	RIAAple	Nov 27 09:12
Omar87	schestowitz: I'd like to subscribe to your website for RSS feeds, can you give me the feed URL, please?	Nov 27 09:17
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-rss2.php	Nov 27 09:17
schestowitz	There's atom too	Nov 27 09:17
Omar87	atom>	Nov 27 09:21
Omar87	?	Nov 27 09:21
schestowitz	Just more simplistic.	Nov 27 09:22
Omar87	Oh okay, because I use Thunderbird.	Nov 27 09:23
schestowitz	Give the RSS URL. Made RSS account if one does not exist, then "subscribe" -> "Add"	Nov 27 09:24
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah I did that, thanks. :)	Nov 27 09:25
Omar87	schestowitz: I personally think that, the last resort left for us of Ubuntu does not remain "ubuntu" will be Gnewsense and it's other siblings, right?	Nov 27 09:27
schestowitz	Omar87: gnewsense contains Mono too, but it's not a problem if the user removes it.	Nov 27 09:28
Omar87	if* Ubuntu	Nov 27 09:28
Omar87	schestowitz: Oh..	Nov 27 09:28
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, with "sudo apt-get remove --purge common libmono0" and it's equivalents, Mono won't bother anymore. :)	Nov 27 09:29
Omar87	Even if you were using SLES itself.	Nov 27 09:29
MinceR	sles has apt?	Nov 27 09:30
schestowitz	Omar87: it's important to have maintainers of Ubuntu branches do this	Nov 27 09:31
schestowitz	Mint, Kiwi, Crunchbang, Parsix, Ubuntu ME...	Nov 27 09:32
schestowitz	MinceR: sles has YaST and other tools (is Smart still around at all?)	Nov 27 09:32
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schestowitz	The Eisenstadt Hoax:A Real-life Example of a "Fake Fake" < http://www.prwatch.org/node/7961 >	Nov 27 10:11
schestowitz	Taxing the rich... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/...	Nov 27 10:13
schestowitz	RMS: "	Nov 27 10:15
schestowitz	I have never had a cell phone, but since OpenMoko cell phones became available I have been considering whether to get one. Now I am leaning towards refusing, because I do not want to carry a cell phone that Big Brother will be able to identify as mine. Instead I will use pay phones or ask people around me to make calls for me on their cell phones."	Nov 27 10:15
MinceR	lol	Nov 27 10:17
schestowitz	I'm the same.. but independently from the same causes (I dropped cellphones long before getting involved in advocacy).	Nov 27 10:18
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Omar87	schestowitz: How can you survive without a cellphone? :)	Nov 27 11:34
schestowitz	Yes, easily. :-)	Nov 27 11:35
schestowitz	[H]omer disconnects his land line too. I thought about this option myself, but there may be emergencies.	Nov 27 11:36
Omar87	schestowitz: So, you're not thinking of getting yourself a Neo Freerunner? :D	Nov 27 11:36
schestowitz	Omar87: no, I already have a PDA. It does all that I need.	Nov 27 11:36
Omar87	schestowitz: cool! :)	Nov 27 11:36
Eruaran	hi guys	Nov 27 11:39
schestowitz	Hey.	Nov 27 11:39
schestowitz	Aussie turns to a dictatorship now.	Nov 27 11:40
Eruaran	Anyone watching whats going on in India ?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	No, why?	Nov 27 11:40
Eruaran	Strange terrorist attack.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Huh?	Nov 27 11:40
Eruaran	Hostages and shootouts in two hotels in Mumbai.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Ah sh*. Nov 26 00:01:17 <schestowitz>http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts... "GreyGeek - Subject: Murphy? ( Nov 25, 2008, 19:33:18 ) The same guy who told us that SCO had a case? "	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:01:21 <schestowitz>Hey, tacone	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:01:36 <tacone>? you remember me ? :)	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:02:11 <tacone>i have been very little in this channel ;-)	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:02:48 <PetoKraus>right, i'm gonna make me a short dinner, and then GN	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:02:52 <PetoKraus>*small	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:03:05 <tacone>schestowitz: i see you wrote about italy	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:03:16 <tacone>do you know about the universities microsoft deal ?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:03:19 <schestowitz>Yes	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:03:25 <schestowitz>There are some things going on there.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:03:41 <schestowitz>tacone: yes, I remember you. Where have you been for months?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:05 <schestowitz>PetoKraus: I'll be here. I'll be done soon too... short days :-( :-(	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:10 <PetoKraus>:D	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:18 <tacone>i am not a regular reader or channel hang-outer	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:20 <schestowitz>Slovakia has longer datys	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:43 <schestowitz>tacone: what about the universities?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:50 <tacone>microsoft helped with x millions, to help italian government to open 2-3 MS research centers in some universities	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:04:55 <schestowitz>I wrote abou the government today	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:05:09 <tacone>the most part will be paid by the governement, by the way	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:05:10 <schestowitz>Roberto G also writes about the Italian universities.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:05:19 <tacone>guess what, the code won't be open.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:05:38 <schestowitz>Are there articles about it?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:05:51 <schestowitz>Or something that can be translated?	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:06:03 <tacone>apparently, in Piemonte they promised to make code public (i wouldn't bet my ass though). in trento we're are still waiting for an answer, that won't come.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:06:07 <schestowitz>It's the same in France, but there have serious disaster there: Sarkonism	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Nov 26 00:06:14 <tacone>i can search something	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	Oops.	Nov 27 11:40
schestowitz	http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&s...	Nov 27 11:41
schestowitz	[pasted the wrong thing there]	Nov 27 11:41
anivar	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sout...	Nov 27 11:43
schestowitz	This may give reason for Bush to carry out more violence before he leaves office.	Nov 27 11:45
Eruaran	Hits closer to home for me since two people I work with are Indian.	Nov 27 11:47
schestowitz	It's also bad for Aussie censorship	Nov 27 11:48
schestowitz	They'll use it as an excuse	Nov 27 11:48
Eruaran	I think one of the guys has family in Mumbai.	Nov 27 11:49
schestowitz	It's a large area though, isn't it?	Nov 27 11:49
Eruaran	yes	Nov 27 11:49
schestowitz	India already has keyloggers in Internet cafes	Nov 27 11:49
Eruaran	The hostage situation is ongoing	Nov 27 11:50
Eruaran	Mumbai is has a population of around 13 million	Nov 27 11:51
Eruaran	Witnesses say they heard the terrorists shouting they wanted british and americans	Nov 27 11:52
schestowitz	Well, thank GWB for that...	Nov 27 11:52
Eruaran	Mumbai is at a standstill, the transportation system has been shut down, stock market suspended	Nov 27 11:53
Eruaran	Security forces have stormed the Taj Mahal hotel	Nov 27 11:54
schestowitz	There were warning about Thanksgiving attacks.	Nov 27 12:01
schestowitz	*warnings	Nov 27 12:01
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PetoKraus	hmm, this was nice nap xD	Nov 27 12:50
PetoKraus	considering i wanted to get up at 8.00....	Nov 27 12:50
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PetoKraus	hmm, is "damn" really that harsh swearword?	Nov 27 12:56
MinceR	i don't think it is	Nov 27 12:56
PetoKraus	right	Nov 27 12:56
schestowitz	Damn. I have DB errors in BN	Nov 27 12:57
schestowitz	I spent 2 hours debugging..	Nov 27 12:57
schestowitz	That explains the bizarre behaviour	Nov 27 12:57
PetoKraus	I spent 2 hours sleeping xD	Nov 27 12:57
PetoKraus	and more	Nov 27 12:57
schestowitz	Let's hope I don't break the site now.	Nov 27 12:58
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schestowitz	I could use help	Nov 27 13:13
schestowitz	It's like I have some rogue data file of something.	Nov 27 13:13
schestowitz	If I select some sequence of text, the database rejects it.	Nov 27 13:13
schestowitz	But I can't find any portion that's problematic, just a sequence or pattern of them. This is driving me insane. The patterns are mysterious.	Nov 27 13:14
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trmanco	what DB?	Nov 27 13:38
schestowitz	Very weird	Nov 27 13:39
schestowitz	I'm starting to find that it's a sequence of chars that cause this.	Nov 27 13:39
schestowitz	It seems to go like this...	Nov 27 13:41
schestowitz	If I have IP addresses then it goes crazy, but not always.	Nov 27 13:42
schestowitz	The IP needed to be preceded by a smiley face, apparently.	Nov 27 13:48
schestowitz	Latest WP version doesn't have this issue.	Nov 27 13:48
schestowitz	This you would not believe..	Nov 27 13:53
schestowitz	I found the issue.	Nov 27 13:53
schestowitz	In WordPress..	Nov 27 13:53
schestowitz	If you have the string "to :" or "to:" somewhere in the text, then it looks for the @ symbol and tried to match that.	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	Not mailto	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	Not goto	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	Just "to:"	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	Or "to :"	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	It poisoned the whole thing.	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	And wasted almost 4 hours of my week :-(	Nov 27 13:54
schestowitz	Apparently resolved in later versions of WordPress	Nov 27 13:54
trmanco	wow	Nov 27 14:03
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schestowitz	Such nuisance is rare, luckily. I made a mental note. I'll just fix it manually in the future	Nov 27 14:07
schestowitz	I blame PetoKraus ;-) for writing the forbidden string.	Nov 27 14:07
schestowitz	It also happened yesterday because of a name of a university in Italy	Nov 27 14:07
trmanco	Windows XP pr is faster than Ubuntu	Nov 27 14:08
trmanco	big quote:	Nov 27 14:08
trmanco	"XP Pro is faster at making the machine unstable.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	XP Pro is much faster at making the machine run like a sloth.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	XP Pro is much faster at raising your blood-pressure to dangerously high	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	levels when dealing with it and it's shortcomings.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	XP Pro is much faster and more efficient at fragmenting your file system.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	XP Pro is extremely fast at going down the drain if/when you ever want to	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	upgrade it to a new operating system version in-place.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	XP Pro is very fast and efficient at accumulating Viruses, malware,	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	spyware, and otherwise compromising the security of your machine.	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	"	Nov 27 14:09
trmanco	:p	Nov 27 14:09
schestowitz	It's super hard to find pictures of Carla Schroder	Nov 27 14:17
schestowitz	But I think this is one: http://www.linuxtoday.com/imgs/8...	Nov 27 14:17
schestowitz	From http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?...	Nov 27 14:17
schestowitz	Good timing for expenditures??? IT cutbacks for 2012 Olympics < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne... >	Nov 27 14:38
schestowitz	Third ever webserver retired... < http://technocrat.net/d/20... >	Nov 27 14:39
trmanco	"It had an uptime of 327 days at its last shutdown." not bad	Nov 27 14:43
schestowitz	But what did it do. How complex a task and how much load?	Nov 27 14:43
trmanco	little maybe	Nov 27 14:44
schestowitz	I had too of my machines up for half a year, but there was little maintenance work on these desktops	Nov 27 14:44
trmanco	the website was text based	Nov 27 14:44
schestowitz	All Web sites are :-)	Nov 27 14:46
schestowitz	<body><div id="headmenu"><a title="About the Editors" href="http://boycottnovell.com/about-the-editors/">Editors</a> • <a title="About the Site" href="h ...	Nov 27 14:47
trmanco	lol	Nov 27 14:49
MinceR	it's all cleartext or cryptotext :>	Nov 27 14:49
trmanco	wasn't really thinking when I said that	Nov 27 14:49
trmanco	well, it probably was serving static pages	Nov 27 14:50
schestowitz	Yes, probably.	Nov 27 14:52
schestowitz	There's lot in BN today for a US holiday.. I think it's because of Jose's post on Mono..	Nov 27 14:53
schestowitz	Wow! ZDNet is incompetent. (you already knew that, no?) http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-sou...	Nov 27 14:55
schestowitz	They put a 1000x1000 (roughly) image there and rescale it to about 200x200. How stupid a design.	Nov 27 14:56
schestowitz	Paula Rooney posted it.	Nov 27 14:56
schestowitz	It comes up as 1000x1000 in the RSS feed! Grrrrrr........	Nov 27 14:56
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11/ibms-e... "	Nov 27 15:02
schestowitz	This is the real danger, Glyn: not idiots like Gene Quinn, but thoughtful people like IW-B who nevertheless seem to believe that inventions naturally 'deserve' patents, that the patent system is in trouble but is fundamentally beneficial (irrespective of field or 'industry') and can be made to work by 'rewarding' only 'good' inventions etc."	Nov 27 15:02
schestowitz	LOL "Today this site was down twice, for about half an hour each time. In both cases, the filesystem was R/O. In the morning, it needed a reboot. In the evening, it needed a fsck." < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&200... >	Nov 27 15:08
schestowitz	LOL http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&200...	Nov 27 15:09
schestowitz	Microsoft power drainers: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker...	Nov 27 15:12
trmanco	you mean 1233px Ãâ 1176px	Nov 27 15:20
schestowitz	The mafia guy in Yahoo! makes a move < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2... >. He also speaks to Microsoft. If Yahoo caves to Microsoft, Carl and Sweaty will probably go out for Haggis.	Nov 27 15:22
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... "Zookeeper Masako Inoue explained: "We thought he was a male, so we never had any doubts as we took care of him. But one day we realized that the two bears urinate in the same way, and we thought, is that how males do it? And once we started to look at things that way, we weren't quite so sure.""	Nov 27 15:24
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twitter	Heh, I had a few RO drive problems yesterday and last week too. Mine were fixed by resoldering the power connector to the drive.	Nov 27 15:35
schestowitz	Stupid media uses a tragedy to set dangerous precedence for Web harassment: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/26/internet.sui...	Nov 27 15:36
schestowitz	By that logic, if someone really really annoys me on the Web, then I can commit suicide to put that person in prison: :-D	Nov 27 15:37
twitter	Media is not stupid, they want to be able to harass.	Nov 27 15:37
_doug	well .. it's still a tragedy, teenagers suicide all the time, the only difference is the use of the Internet for the harassment ..	Nov 27 15:38
schestowitz	Exactly.	Nov 27 15:38
twitter	It left a record, for all to see.	Nov 27 15:38
twitter	We now know exactly what that woman did.	Nov 27 15:39
_doug	What gets me is, didn't the parents notice what their kid was doing online ?	Nov 27 15:39
twitter	Blame the criminals not the victims please.	Nov 27 15:39
twitter	Parents should not play big brother.	Nov 27 15:40
_doug	Would you let your 13 year old online, without an escort ?	Nov 27 15:40
schestowitz	it's similar to the idea of Web censorship, where it's assumed that people will stop talking about ideas of sharing files if there's some loose filter or surveillance. it just inconveniences nice people (those who don't encrypt) and wastes money.	Nov 27 15:40
twitter	I let my seven year old online without an escort. I also take her to public libraries	Nov 27 15:41
_doug	What about this one ?	Nov 27 15:41
_doug	http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette...	Nov 27 15:41
_doug	imho, the great unwashed shouldn't be let near the Internet ..	Nov 27 15:42
twitter	What are you doing here, _doug?	Nov 27 15:42
_doug	I recall working in a repair center, we sell some 'dude' a PC and it comes back in six weeks later, cause 'it don't work', and there's 60 MB of porn on the disk ..	Nov 27 15:43
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 27 15:43
twitter	Nice of you to notice.	Nov 27 15:43
_doug	I guess his RSI was getting out of hand .. :)	Nov 27 15:43
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 27 15:43
_doug	what are we doing here? we are the elite, the few, the Linux taliban ...	Nov 27 15:44
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 27 15:44
schestowitz	I heard this before	Nov 27 15:44
schestowitz	There's the "Linux cabal" (old)	Nov 27 15:44
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtaliban.com/	Nov 27 15:44
twitter	I'm more used to the American Taliban.	Nov 27 15:45
schestowitz	People tried to daemonise GNU/FSF using these slur	Nov 27 15:45
_doug	Blockbuster has introduced a video-on-demand (VOD) service accompanied by a 'free' set-top box ..	Nov 27 15:45
_doug	http://www.deviceguru.com/new-bl...	Nov 27 15:45
schestowitz	*slurs. I think it was Sam Varghese who compared Microsoft's 'pattern terrorism' to that too.	Nov 27 15:45
twitter	The one damning porn, "piracy" and that kind of thing. pushing filters to protect children, etc	Nov 27 15:45
schestowitz	Sun accused Microsoft of patent terrorism	Nov 27 15:45
schestowitz	_doug: also in the news about Bloccbuster:	Nov 27 15:45
schestowitz	http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2...	Nov 27 15:46
schestowitz	Blockbuster: powered by the Penguin	Nov 27 15:46
schestowitz	twitter: protect children, eh?	Nov 27 15:46
schestowitz	Then why can't /ANYONE/ opt out?	Nov 27 15:46
schestowitz	It's a matter of phasing them in first..	Nov 27 15:46
twitter	Yes, the American Taliban is always interested in protecting children.	Nov 27 15:46
twitter	It's second only to raping them.	Nov 27 15:47
schestowitz	Later they'll change scope of 'acceptable' content	Nov 27 15:47
schestowitz	'Healthy' content	Nov 27 15:47
_doug	breaking news: White House alters past ..	Nov 27 15:47
_doug	http://www.clinecenter.uiuc.edu/airb...	Nov 27 15:47
schestowitz	Disagreement with govt' = not healthy	Nov 27 15:47
twitter	RMS has logged several plausible industry plots to kill the internet. One of them is already being deployed in the US.	Nov 27 15:48
twitter	It's bandwith caps combined with a limited number of "free" sites for your monthly fee, just like cable TV.	Nov 27 15:48
schestowitz	At least some people are watching this revisionism.	Nov 27 15:48
schestowitz	Microsoft does loads of that too.	Nov 27 15:48
twitter	M$ does the damage it can with what it has left.	Nov 27 15:49
schestowitz	twitter: so you'd be encouraged to go for the free (and 'healthy') sites..	Nov 27 15:49
schestowitz	I see the logic...	Nov 27 15:49
twitter	right, and add supported independent sites fail.	Nov 27 15:49
schestowitz	Alex Jones is furious abut this..	Nov 27 15:49
schestowitz	They try to block his sites (I don't agree with many things that he says)	Nov 27 15:50
schestowitz	From the anti-patents Nobel Laurette: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nhCvwiAXL-I&... ( Joseph Stiglitz on the Fall of Lehman Brothers )	Nov 27 15:50
schestowitz	Simple explanation, but he hardly points fingers. He used to work with the Whitehouse, soon he'll teach here in Manchester.	Nov 27 15:51
schestowitz	Here's a photo of that teacher who was almost sentences to prison because of Windows... http://www.pcworld.com/article/154611/spywa...	Nov 27 15:53
schestowitz	This one if like an IBM commercial as an 'article': http://www.pcworld.com/article/154590/ibm...	Nov 27 15:54
schestowitz	Partner Sellouts: second-hand PCs needed... for GNU/Linux? No, Partner Group can't say the L word... http://www.pcworld.com/article/154596/...	Nov 27 15:56
_doug	re: airbrushing history ..	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	http://www.whitehouse.gov/oa/foia/handbook.html	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	-----------	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	Dec 15 2001 <meta name="date" content="2001-01-01"/>	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	-----------	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	The EOP entities subject to the FOIA are:	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	* Council on Environmental Quality	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	* Office of Administration	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	-----------	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	http://web.archive.org/web/20071215042122/h...	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	-----------	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	Dec 07 2007 <meta name="date" content="2001-01-01"/>	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	-----------	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	The EOP entities exempt from the provisions of the FOIA are:	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	* White House Office	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	* Office of Administration *	Nov 27 16:03
_doug	now you see it .. now you don't .... :]	Nov 27 16:22
trmanco	lol	Nov 27 16:22
trmanco	found a nice quote	Nov 27 16:22
trmanco	linux - you must break, VS , windows - breaks itself	Nov 27 16:22
schestowitz	YouTube - broadcast yourself	Nov 27 16:23
trmanco	today one computer running Windows at schools was stuck in a BSOD loop	Nov 27 16:24
trmanco	school*	Nov 27 16:25
schestowitz	Bishop is catching up... Microsoft makes excuses.. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/M...	Nov 27 16:25
trmanco	Solution: Format the hole thing	Nov 27 16:25
trmanco	...	Nov 27 16:25
schestowitz	Typical	Nov 27 16:25
trmanco	well	Nov 27 16:25
trmanco	last week a different computer in my classroom had to be formated too	Nov 27 16:26
Omar87	trmanco: What was the cause?	Nov 27 16:26
trmanco	couldn't iinstall .Net	Nov 27 16:26
trmanco	stupid errors	Nov 27 16:26
Omar87	hehehe :)	Nov 27 16:26
trmanco	DLL hell problems	Nov 27 16:27
trmanco	all computers are formated each school year	Nov 27 16:27
schestowitz	RPM hell is what they like to FUD	Nov 27 16:27
schestowitz	Failing the acknowledge parallels in Win32	Nov 27 16:28
schestowitz	trmanco: it's called refresh	Nov 27 16:28
trmanco	so they were all formated before 1 October and some of them won't last even 2 months	Nov 27 16:28
Omar87	But guys, I must admit. Almost I love OpenOffice.Org, I still can't deny the fact that it stills so much more that this in order to catch up with MS Office.. -_-	Nov 27 16:28
schestowitz	Windows slows down as it ages. Linux, like wine, improves with age (more software, customisation)	Nov 27 16:28
trmanco	schestowitz, I'll call it Spring clean	Nov 27 16:28
trmanco	it is already slow when you install it	Nov 27 16:28
*Omar87 says he'll be right back		Nov 27 16:28
trmanco	and its ages hourly	Nov 27 16:29
schestowitz	I had SUSE 8.1 running for about 3.5 years	Nov 27 16:29
_doug	Noone used msOffice for real work ..	Nov 27 16:29
schestowitz	Microsoft office = whispering and romance with Clippy	Nov 27 16:29
trmanco	you install a simple program and it is what th OS needs to get your hard-drive fragmented and your registry fragmented too	Nov 27 16:29
schestowitz	W00t. Mandriva FTW. http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/...	Nov 27 16:33
twitter	I'm off to Tanksgiving. I'll pop in here and there over the next few day.	Nov 27 16:33
MinceR	free tanks for everyone? :>	Nov 27 16:33
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_doug	Are you still allowed to celebrate Christmas in America ?	Nov 27 16:36
Omar87	I just miss the old days when I resort to banging my head against the wall when viruses invade my machine and I have no other solution but to reformat the whole system... NOT! :)	Nov 27 16:37
_doug	'Oxford city council confirmed the events in the city would be renamed 'Winter Light Festival''	Nov 27 16:37
_doug	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3...	Nov 27 16:37
schestowitz	Is that the racial thing again?	Nov 27 16:39
schestowitz	At schools... "Winter holiday..." LOL	Nov 27 16:39
_doug	excuse me, I'm off to the racial sensitivity class :]	Nov 27 16:40
schestowitz	Oh, wait... this article is different.	Nov 27 16:40
_doug	If I don't go then I risk being accused of racism .. :)	Nov 27 16:40
schestowitz	Are there classes for excessive sensitivity?	Nov 27 16:41
_doug	If I do go then I get accused of racism .. :)	Nov 27 16:41
schestowitz	Like, you know... if someone in the UK is offended by Xmas..?	Nov 27 16:41
_doug	excessive sensitivity .. haaa	Nov 27 16:41
_doug	how dare they celebrate Xmas, eating too much turkey, gettig drunk and falling asleep in front of the Queens speech ..	Nov 27 16:42
schestowitz	http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m48577&h... ( Shell-Iraq gas company would be Basra natural gas monopoly )	Nov 27 16:42
trmanco	brb	Nov 27 16:43
_doug	See Aussia comic deal with 'racial' sensitivity ..	Nov 27 16:43
schestowitz	Bush Administration Quietly Working to Weaken Clean Air Act < http://www.prwatch.org/node/7975 >	Nov 27 16:43
_doug	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8nG_ZMhA8...	Nov 27 16:44
schestowitz	Good video..?	Nov 27 16:45
schestowitz	A case study..	Nov 27 16:45
_doug	I thought stand up comics were supposed to be offensive ?	Nov 27 16:46
schestowitz	Some of them are.	Nov 27 16:46
schestowitz	That's not illegal	Nov 27 16:46
schestowitz	Big Three CEOs Flew Private Jets to Plead for Public Funds < http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallSt... >	Nov 27 16:47
trmanco	back	Nov 27 16:48
schestowitz	door	Nov 27 16:48
trmanco	win	Nov 27 16:50
trmanco	dows	Nov 27 16:50
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schestowitz	Chinese Developer Gets Three Years In Jail For Making IM Software Better < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... >	Nov 27 17:41
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davi18	http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2231386/co...	Nov 27 17:53
PetoKraus	umm	Nov 27 17:54
PetoKraus	i still don't get why should government protect children	Nov 27 17:54
PetoKraus	how it should work is - children have parents, parents are responsible for education of children, not state	Nov 27 17:54
PetoKraus	if the parents are rubbish, state can use some measures (take the child away etc)	Nov 27 17:55
PetoKraus	i am waiting till girls in britain will sue someone, because state didn't tell them how to feed their babies	Nov 27 17:55
schestowitz	They could offer desktop-side filters for families, subsidised by govt.	Nov 27 17:56
PetoKraus	well they could	Nov 27 17:56
schestowitz	davi18: thanks.	Nov 27 17:56
schestowitz	They appealed	Nov 27 17:56
schestowitz	I'll post about it soon.	Nov 27 17:56
PetoKraus	i like the formulation "the company is still not out of trouble"	Nov 27 17:58
schestowitz	Tables turn	Nov 27 17:58
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schestowitz	Interesting discussion about Sun: http://www.techdirt.com/articl...	Nov 27 18:04
schestowitz	Good observation: "The US is not interested because Zimbabwe has no oil." http://www.stallman.org/archives/...	Nov 27 18:07
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schestowitz	Satire: Labour increases taxes for everyone except you personally, honest < http://notnews.today.com/2008/11/25/lab... >	Nov 27 18:19
schestowitz	Judge Excludes 3 "John Does" From RIAA Subpoena < http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0... >	Nov 27 18:30
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ReverseGTR	did I scare everyone the last time?	Nov 27 19:51
_doug	hi there .. what's up ?	Nov 27 19:58
ReverseGTR	_doug: not much, just getting ready to see the folks for this "national holiday" here in the US	Nov 27 19:59
_doug	Ah .. yea 'tanks' giving day ..	Nov 27 20:00
_doug	like pancake tuesday only with tanks ?	Nov 27 20:01
ReverseGTR	_doug: lol yezzr, can't wait to have that harmone stuffed turkey.	Nov 27 20:01
_doug	harmone ?	Nov 27 20:02
ReverseGTR	_doug: I saw a little so called xmas holiday TV show, with mini episodes and one was about this lady who was sick of having lasagna for a xmas dinner. If I only had that for tanksgiving instead of turkey for once	Nov 27 20:03
ReverseGTR	_doug: ok I guess its spelled hormone, but I seem to always say it with a "har" like how GW says "nukular"	Nov 27 20:04
_doug	Christmas is banned here .. we have a 'Winter Light Festival' instead ..	Nov 27 20:05
_doug	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3367390/Christm...	Nov 27 20:05
ReverseGTR	_doug: I honestly think that doesn't matter since there will be "winter light" trees and wreathes everywhere. And someone is going to be dressing as father winter	Nov 27 20:06
_doug	haaaa ... sexist ...	Nov 27 20:07
_doug	http://www.ourcivilisation.com/pc.htm	Nov 27 20:08
ReverseGTR	_doug: true.. but here in Uhmerica we are supposed to look forward to xmas as soon as possible and it has turned into a holiday of being "merry (which nobody know what that really means or how much merry one should be)" and buying crap starting tomorrow	Nov 27 20:08
ReverseGTR	_doug: and that is all that xmas is so therfore everyone no matter what religion should celebrate it	Nov 27 20:09
_doug	It used to be to celebrate the birthday of SantaClaus .. :)	Nov 27 20:10
ReverseGTR	_doug: Political Correctness is an example of Moral Entrapeneurship faught on the same level as those who fought for Prohibition or the 18th Ammendment in the United States that banned alcohol, but on the flip side made it something organized crime can sell	Nov 27 20:11
kevin__	hehe... you mewan like how EVERY movie has to have a happy ending? it makes me sick	Nov 27 20:12
kevin__	mean*	Nov 27 20:12
ReverseGTR	_doug: Santa Who? That person may offend people who can't grow beards or are intimidated by them. You know in this day and age you got to shave every part of your body, except the head	Nov 27 20:12
_doug	Santa Clause, he climes down the chimney and leaves presents ..	Nov 27 20:12
ReverseGTR	_doug: thats breaking and entering!	Nov 27 20:13
ReverseGTR	_doug: also not many people in the US own or let alone ever use their chimnies	Nov 27 20:13
_doug	OK, is mild humer .. lets change the subject ...	Nov 27 20:13
kevin__	i think in some places they forbid burning firewood	Nov 27 20:14
ReverseGTR	_doug: however, I saw enough Marry Poppins and James Bond to know about the British ;)	Nov 27 20:14
kevin__	"bond... james bond"	Nov 27 20:14
ReverseGTR	_doug: so any good news lately?	Nov 27 20:15
_doug	good news .. not a lot ...	Nov 27 20:16
ReverseGTR	_doug: by the way, what is your OS of choice?	Nov 27 20:22
trmanco	crap	Nov 27 20:22
ReverseGTR	kevin__: same goes for you too	Nov 27 20:22
trmanco	schestowitz, is away	Nov 27 20:23
trmanco	http://blogs.zdnet.com/hard...	Nov 27 20:23
ReverseGTR	trmanco: yea, another user online	Nov 27 20:23
_doug	I use Ubuntu,	Nov 27 20:23
kevin__	i use ubuntu too	Nov 27 20:23
trmanco	me too	Nov 27 20:23
PetoKraus	Arch lunex ;)	Nov 27 20:24
_doug	A choice of two, a good distro and a big support community ..	Nov 27 20:24
_doug	at work it's BSDunix on the servers and WinXPee on the clients, not from choice ...	Nov 27 20:25
ReverseGTR	kevin__: I still cling onto XP like nobody's business even though I ran other OSs such as Debian and AROS through Qemu and have fiddled around with OSX. I would love to take the nix route over Vista but I am waiting to see when WINE can transcode DX10	Nov 27 20:25
PetoKraus	what I like on arch is the ease to build unsupported software. There is HUGE chance the software will be located in AUR, and therefore you can create your package yourself and install it as a part of your system.	Nov 27 20:25
ReverseGTR	kevin__: I admit I don't play nearly as many games as I use to but I still want to see how Fedora 10 turns out before I leap into Linux	Nov 27 20:26
PetoKraus	there are nice games in linux as well	Nov 27 20:26
PetoKraus	you'll be surprised	Nov 27 20:26
PetoKraus	and i am throttled :/	Nov 27 20:26
_doug	ReverseGTR: keep it simple ..	Nov 27 20:27
PetoKraus	LOL, debian includes epiphany-webkit!	Nov 27 20:27
PetoKraus	how cool is THAT	Nov 27 20:27
ReverseGTR	_doug: I know, I barely know what commands to issue in the terminal to compile	Nov 27 20:28
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_doug	ReverseGTR: DX10 on WINE under Debian, you must like mentally torturing yourself .. :)	Nov 27 20:28
ReverseGTR	_doug: well, I actually preffer Fedora over Debian but the latter was easier to boot up for me in qemu	Nov 27 20:29
_doug	qemu, what do you need that for ?	Nov 27 20:29
ReverseGTR	_doug: so I can try out different OSs before I actually partition the hardrive to install them	Nov 27 20:30
_doug	Personally, I don't have an OS of choice, depends on its use, a desktop or server, multimedia player, games or whatever, what ever works i nthe lest number of steps ..	Nov 27 20:31
PetoKraus	"and they're making an effort to shift the focus onto the parents to keep their kids' gaming habits under control"	Nov 27 20:33
PetoKraus	FUCKING DOH!	Nov 27 20:33
_doug	To save on partitioning, why not have two harddrives, one for the real OS and one for testing on ..	Nov 27 20:34
_doug	Running an OS on a virtualizer, whatever for, to save electricity ..	Nov 27 20:34
ReverseGTR	_doug: I just want an OS that is easy to navigate as a GUI but doesn't hide any features, terminal and ect from me. Has the software I want and can work with most if not all codecs or file types	Nov 27 20:34
ReverseGTR	_doug: I had 2 hardrives, but one of them died	Nov 27 20:34
ReverseGTR	_doug: luckily it was the one that didn't contain the main OS partition	Nov 27 20:35
_doug	You have a choice of GUIs, KDE, Gnome, Xfce or the mimimalist Fluxbox. Personally I want the least amount of widgets on screen ..	Nov 27 20:35
*PetoKraus np: Yes - The Revealing Science of God / Dance of the Dawn (Tales From Topographic Oceans)		Nov 27 20:37
_doug	ReverseGTR: which os did you prefer ?	Nov 27 20:37
ReverseGTR	_doug: I actually liked how YDL with E17 looked, even though it is a tad bit sluggish	Nov 27 20:39
_doug	who said this: "do you really think that just because you have an idea, it belongs to you"	Nov 27 20:39
_doug	anyone ...	Nov 27 20:41
_doug	20 seconds ..	Nov 27 20:41
ReverseGTR	_doug: not me	Nov 27 20:41
ReverseGTR	_doug: Steve Jobs?	Nov 27 20:41
_doug	No, Tony Starks evil sidekick ..	Nov 27 20:42
ReverseGTR	_doug: I also like the way BeOS handled itself from the reviews and clips I saw of it in action. Never used it myself	Nov 27 20:42
_doug	billg surly was your first guess ?	Nov 27 20:42
ReverseGTR	_doug: ah	Nov 27 20:42
ReverseGTR	_doug: no, don't get me wrong I am a fan of comics like Ex Machina and The Boys but I have not much Iron Man	Nov 27 20:43
_doug	ReverseGTR: Which OS do you think is the easiest to navigate ?	Nov 27 20:43
ReverseGTR	_doug: that a hard one, it depends on which files I want to get to	Nov 27 20:48
_doug	describe a senario ..	Nov 27 20:49
ReverseGTR	_doug: OSX is great until you want to find anything beyond just opening the application, I am use to configuring the root of shortcuts on XP and know where the temporary files are located but I guess that comes with the knowedge just my long time use of Windows. I have an easy time finding system files and libraries for Linux but I have a hard time determining where the application folders are located	Nov 27 20:51
ReverseGTR	root= route I meant	Nov 27 20:52
_doug	ReverseGTR: 'application folders' .. er directories .. why do you need to know that .. and can't you make shortcut to them just like on XP ?	Nov 27 20:53
ReverseGTR	_doug: I would like to if I knew how or which folders I should configure to route to	Nov 27 20:54
_doug	ReverseGTR: which is better for finding things XP or Mac OS X Leopard .. ?	Nov 27 20:55
ReverseGTR	_doug: I know how to use XP, OSX is alien to me	Nov 27 20:55
ReverseGTR	_doug: I don't want to be stuck relying on finders or internal search engines	Nov 27 20:56
ReverseGTR	_doug: anyway I got to go stuff my face with starch and animal fat now, thanks for trying to figure out which OS may fit my needs best. We need to pick up on this again some time :)	Nov 27 20:57
_doug	yea .. sure .. anytime ...	Nov 27 20:58
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_doug	gtg .. ;)	Nov 27 20:58
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trmanco	http://www.openforumeurope.org/press-room/latest-news/inst...	Nov 27 21:12
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schestowitz	trmanco: search BN for "Jeff Jones" (regarding those PowerPunkt 'graphs')	Nov 27 21:25
trmanco	ok thanks	Nov 27 21:25
trmanco	Tallken, you are portuguese right?	Nov 27 21:26
Tallken	ola trmanco :p	Nov 27 21:26
trmanco	ola	Nov 27 21:26
Tallken	so that's a yes, I'm portuguese	Nov 27 21:27
Tallken	:p	Nov 27 21:27
trmanco	:P	Nov 27 21:27
schestowitz	wm, Tallken	Nov 27 21:28
Tallken	"wm"?	Nov 27 21:28
schestowitz	typo, wb	Nov 27 21:28
Tallken	ah :)	Nov 27 21:28
MinceR	window manager ;)	Nov 27 21:28
Tallken	thanks :)	Nov 27 21:28
schestowitz	Just finished catching up	Nov 27 21:28
schestowitz	Came back a moment ago.	Nov 27 21:29
schestowitz	Sunday is the big day of the competition. I'm in 1st place at the moment.	Nov 27 21:29
trmanco	competition of what?	Nov 27 21:30
schestowitz	Mr Fitness 2008	Nov 27 21:31
schestowitz	I've just realise that BN now exceeds the average of 100k hits/per	Nov 27 21:40
schestowitz	*per day	Nov 27 21:41
trmanco	cool	Nov 27 21:50
trmanco	1st place a :-P	Nov 27 21:50
schestowitz	I've gotten back into shape... almost 100KG now... and I think I'll win the last one by just a mere 10 points. The best contestant got injured (broken arm). http://schestowitz.com/Ba... (needs updating, I won the rowing last year and also got second in another one)	Nov 27 22:05
schestowitz	Hm...Tim Anderson again (Windows 7 laptops charade).. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008...	Nov 27 22:07
schestowitz	"We discussed...." a little chummy there...	Nov 27 22:09
schestowitz	Microsoft 'insiders' as reporters... how incestuous.	Nov 27 22:10
Tallken	cya later :)	Nov 27 22:15
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schestowitz	Oh noes. http://linsec.ca/blog/2008/1...	Nov 27 22:16
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schestowitz	Cyber bully mum found not guilty < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/... > Stupid subheading: "Judge shrugs shoulders over dead child"	Nov 27 22:21
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schestowitz	http://fussnotes.typepad.com/plexnex/... (3 Readings on the Financial Crisis)	Nov 27 22:38
GoblinRFD	Hi Roy. so have we decided whats the correct way to type GNU?!?!?! - That AlexH was a cracker!	Nov 27 22:39
schestowitz	He doesn't get the point.	Nov 27 22:39
schestowitz	I made a short post.	Nov 27 22:39
schestowitz	So he had to find some pet peeve to rotate 'round	Nov 27 22:40
GoblinRFD	He was great.	Nov 27 22:40
GoblinRFD	Gave me a chuckle.	Nov 27 22:40
schestowitz	It's an ego thing. "I choose my cases right	Nov 27 22:40
schestowitz	"	Nov 27 22:40
schestowitz	But here's the thing.	Nov 27 22:41
schestowitz	The reason I pointed this out might escape casual lurkers. Other readers too have complained, saying that Alex picks small fragments large messeages in order to change questions/subjects and avoid the big issues. Example: "Mono is a parent risk" AlexH: "you misspelled patent".	Nov 27 22:42
GoblinRFD	lol	Nov 27 22:42
GoblinRFD	how petty	Nov 27 22:42
GoblinRFD	Im guilty of calling them patient's in the past	Nov 27 22:43
schestowitz	I write quickly, so I ahev many typos	Nov 27 22:43
schestowitz	The issue is not semantic though.	Nov 27 22:43
GoblinRFD	yeah me too. A common one for me is shit instead of shirt - brain works faster than fingers!	Nov 27 22:44
schestowitz	Alex consistently avoids talking about Microsoft's evils... kind of like Novell and the Linux Foundation... even de Icaza, GNOME and several others.	Nov 27 22:44
schestowitz	I type as I think and I dislike proofreading with passion because it's like repeating thoughts, but either way, cosmetic things can have you lose readership or respect.	Nov 27 22:45
GoblinRFD	I think typos show a level of integrity. If people produce a perfect post then IMO it shows a premeditation. Typos show that it is a typed in good faith, without (IMO) a deception.	Nov 27 22:46
schestowitz	Good point too.	Nov 27 22:47
GoblinRFD	and that its an honest held belief "from the heart"	Nov 27 22:47
schestowitz	I wish to believe that people have a sense of duration it takes to write something.	Nov 27 22:47
MinceR	premeditation is deception? :)	Nov 27 22:47
GoblinRFD	mmm	Nov 27 22:47
MinceR	also, what if someone proofreads his post?	Nov 27 22:47
schestowitz	On the Internet, everyone can think you're human and not a dog ... until you bark.	Nov 27 22:47
schestowitz	But some people produce masterful posts that take them _hours_	Nov 27 22:48
MinceR	(that's what the preview function is for)	Nov 27 22:48
schestowitz	Others just piece together other people's posts and weave them to make something seemingly unique.	Nov 27 22:48
MinceR	those people obviously have too much time on their hands :>	Nov 27 22:48
schestowitz	I have proofreading BN posts.	Nov 27 22:48
schestowitz	I started doing this about a month ago because readership is high, so I want to avoid silly typos.	Nov 27 22:48
GoblinRFD	sorta. In some cases (magazines etc) I think its needed. However with a personal thing like a blog or a private webpage, I believe the typos reveal the a persons personality and ergo are more open. Of course there are times when a proof is needed, and we are not talking about leaving massive errors, but little ones here and there are quite acceptable and make the poster more "human"	Nov 27 22:49
GoblinRFD	IMO	Nov 27 22:50
schestowitz	Lack of typos if a function of repetition (and time consumption). It can elucidate but rarely does it actually ADD ideas... just makes them smoother to digest or more graceful to the observer/reader.	Nov 27 22:50
schestowitz	Magazines have editors, i.e. more than one pair of eyes	Nov 27 22:50
GoblinRFD	One of my pet hates is the excessive use of long words, an attempt to complicate a post and imply to the reader that the poster is "more correct" than they actually are.	Nov 27 22:51
schestowitz	Stalkers I have in Digg curse me for refusing to proofread... I call them the typo police.	Nov 27 22:51
schestowitz	I just write my mind down like I do here and then proofread a couple of time if it's a blog.	Nov 27 22:52
schestowitz	I remember my prof. at the time telling me that a good abstract (one/two paras) should take hours to write (!!)	Nov 27 22:52
GoblinRFD	I am guilty of not, on my blog I was called Ubuntu 8.10 Jaunty Jackalope for about a week until I recieved a load of abuse via email. But then again, I dont have a lot of time.	Nov 27 22:53
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 27 22:54
GoblinRFD	and there you go a typo! should have read "I was calling Ubuntu..."	Nov 27 22:54
schestowitz	Take a couple of days to reread it.	Nov 27 22:54
schestowitz	Blech. I'd rather learn how to milk cows.	Nov 27 22:54
schestowitz	Bruce Byfield bragged about managing to write about 200 articles in one year.	Nov 27 22:54
schestowitz	I was like, "what???" 4-5 article a week is good pace?	Nov 27 22:54
schestowitz	*cles	Nov 27 22:55
GoblinRFD	I shudder to think how much text I have typed in the last year (on forums and blogs etc) I think I would have a book.	Nov 27 22:55
schestowitz	In USENET alone I make about 60-70 posts a day and it used to be more. Read/write, read/write... that's where all the fun is... like eating versus doing the dishes	Nov 27 22:56
schestowitz	Books are passe	Nov 27 22:56
schestowitz	They are an old measure of output	Nov 27 22:56
schestowitz	People who beag about the size of their book shelf/cabinet are living in the past	Nov 27 22:56
GoblinRFD	I love books! I like the feel of a real item, I cant get on with ebooks etc.	Nov 27 22:57
schestowitz	Real researchers have their knowledge indexed somehow on the PC so that they can exploit search facilities and 'find' (fetch) old thoughts that disintegrated.	Nov 27 22:57
schestowitz	Groklaw is like that, BN is growing too and have almost 100,00 citations in USENET, so I can search using Google.	Nov 27 22:57
GoblinRFD	yeah I think for factual reading, you cant beat the electronic media. But novels (or for a typo, novells) I prefer a good hardback a coal fire and a glass of wine!	Nov 27 22:58
schestowitz	ebook is DRM.. most typically being total trash that's 'burned' in the digital sense when your device is dead and its maker bankrupt	Nov 27 22:58
schestowitz	These days are ending.	Nov 27 22:59
GoblinRFD	however I always thought the DRM argument was a strange one.......	Nov 27 22:59
schestowitz	Same with physical newspapers and magazines... their days are numbered.	Nov 27 22:59
GoblinRFD	To me DRM argument is an anti-piracy one....	Nov 27 22:59
schestowitz	Piracy? Where?	Nov 27 22:59
schestowitz	Somalia?	Nov 27 23:00
GoblinRFD	if people "could be trusted" not to distribute copyrighted material, then DRM would not exist.	Nov 27 23:00
GoblinRFD	its like speed cameras	Nov 27 23:00
schestowitz	People would share either way.	Nov 27 23:00
GoblinRFD	true.	Nov 27 23:00
schestowitz	Eben Moglen: "Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared will be shared: get used to it."	Nov 27 23:00
GoblinRFD	I agree, however......	Nov 27 23:01
schestowitz	Beating the sharing of digital good is like policing consumption of oxygen	Nov 27 23:01
schestowitz	Richard Stallman: "Once GNU is written, everyone will be able to obtain good system software free, just like air."	Nov 27 23:01
schestowitz	So they invented software patents.	Nov 27 23:01
schestowitz	You can get sued for breathing.	Nov 27 23:01
GoblinRFD	yeah, we've got the congestion charge in London.	Nov 27 23:02
GoblinRFD	it hasnt solved the congestion problem	Nov 27 23:02
GoblinRFD	but its given a few MPs a nice holiday with the revenue	Nov 27 23:02
GoblinRFD	sort of the DRM of the highways	Nov 27 23:03
GoblinRFD	if you want to use it, you have to pay a fee.	Nov 27 23:03
schestowitz	Tax ideas.	Nov 27 23:03
schestowitz	Brainstorming for $$	Nov 27 23:03
schestowitz	Might be handy for bailout.	Nov 27 23:03
schestowitz	Bonuses go to managers, who fly their private plane to request public money for more bonuses, having engaged in corruption.	Nov 27 23:04
GoblinRFD	to be honest, I dont use proprietary nor do I watch films much. DRM is really not at the top of my list of "issues"	Nov 27 23:04
GoblinRFD	my taste in music is small Metal groups from Germany etc, so I buy their CD's and directly support them.	Nov 27 23:05
schestowitz	Same here.	Nov 27 23:05
macabe	IMHO DRM is an excuse to get money without labor	Nov 27 23:05
schestowitz	I was never affected by it. Me and Mr DRM never crossed paths... no encounters ever.	Nov 27 23:05
GoblinRFD	On the note of free music, have you heard of Severed Fifth?	Nov 27 23:06
schestowitz	macabe: like wellfare for Nancy Sinatra	Nov 27 23:06
GoblinRFD	an excellent Metal band, who a affiliated with Ubuntu - Satanic Edition	Nov 27 23:06
schestowitz	Today in the news: http://techdirt.com/articles/20... ( Once More, With Feeling: Copyright Is Not A Welfare System For Musicians )	Nov 27 23:06
GoblinRFD	release their work for free (and its good)	Nov 27 23:06
schestowitz	Nancy wants to just live in 5-star hotels all her life because daddy Frankie made some songs before she was even born... and he's deceased.	Nov 27 23:06
macabe	Disney uses it to keep generating $$ for their offspring.	Nov 27 23:07
schestowitz	But here's what I don't get	Nov 27 23:07
schestowitz	With more in the public domain, would it really encourage new works?	Nov 27 23:07
schestowitz	I personally gravitate towards the music that's in the public domain.	Nov 27 23:08
GoblinRFD	yeah	Nov 27 23:08
GoblinRFD	demoscene works is an excellent collection	Nov 27 23:08
schestowitz	They want to change that... BTW, it's not about offsprings... it's rarely the case... rather it's the LABELS... they own the copyrights.	Nov 27 23:08
MinceR	if only the demoscene cared about portability.	Nov 27 23:08
MinceR	most sceners i know are windows fanboys.	Nov 27 23:09
schestowitz	There's a good interview I watched recently where Victor something explained how abusive the media industry is. He worked there.	Nov 27 23:09
GoblinRFD	yep	Nov 27 23:09
GoblinRFD	c#	Nov 27 23:09
schestowitz	They are a bunch of gangsters indeed based ont he stories.	Nov 27 23:09
schestowitz	They leave artists in debt for life and toss them out to the street while STILL owning their music, which artists produce at their own expense	Nov 27 23:09
macabe	I was also thinking of the leeches that hang on the idea.	Nov 27 23:09
GoblinRFD	The only true free music / demoscene was the A500.	Nov 27 23:10
MinceR	amiga fanboys are annoying too	Nov 27 23:10
schestowitz	Victoria Secret competition gets hacked < http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/... >	Nov 27 23:10
GoblinRFD	lol	Nov 27 23:10
GoblinRFD	that would be me. old timer 68k coder here!	Nov 27 23:10
schestowitz	"Except a majority of the votes from Drexel, and many of the other top 25 schools in the poll, were generated by computer programs."	Nov 27 23:10
MinceR	when they keep raving about a system that has no memory protection, no multi-user capability and no file access control as if it was perfection itself.	Nov 27 23:11
macabe	Release one piece of DRM code, hours later they'll be a crack to it.	Nov 27 23:11
GoblinRFD	MinceR, did you ever own an Amiga?	Nov 27 23:11
MinceR	nope	Nov 27 23:11
GoblinRFD	ST?	Nov 27 23:11
MinceR	no	Nov 27 23:11
MinceR	i have a Sinclair ZX Spectrum	Nov 27 23:12
MinceR	(48k)	Nov 27 23:12
GoblinRFD	yeah	Nov 27 23:12
GoblinRFD	best 8bit	Nov 27 23:12
MinceR	my next computer was a 386 PC	Nov 27 23:12
GoblinRFD	my first PC was an Amstrad 286 that was shaped like the Battlestar Galactica.	Nov 27 23:12
GoblinRFD	Mincer going back to the A500 for a second, I think the best thing about it (and why it has fanatical support) is because of the tallent that was showcased and developed on it. Who can forget "Rise Up" by Romeo Knight?	Nov 27 23:14
MinceR	i don't know, i haven't seen it	Nov 27 23:14
GoblinRFD	what???????	Nov 27 23:14
GoblinRFD	oh no!	Nov 27 23:14
MinceR	as i've said, i've never had an amiga	Nov 27 23:15
MinceR	once i could emulate it, i didn't know what to do with it	Nov 27 23:15
MinceR	so i took a few looks at the Workbench and then moved on to something else :)	Nov 27 23:15
GoblinRFD	yeah UAE, great package.	Nov 27 23:15
GoblinRFD	Romeo Knight probably made the greatest music track on the Amiga ever. Check out the RSI megademo vid, Rise up is at 0:51secs into the demo.	Nov 27 23:17
GoblinRFD	http://www.demoscene.tv/page.php?id=172&lan...	Nov 27 23:17
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GoblinRFD	what a way to kill a conversation.....talk about the A500 demoscene.	Nov 27 23:44
schestowitz	Hehe. Well, that all predates my days with PCs	Nov 27 23:46
schestowitz	I had a 286 when I was 7	Nov 27 23:46
schestowitz	Or 8	Nov 27 23:46
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