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schestowitz"The US Navy has settled a whale-saving lawsuit filed by environmentalists challenging the use of military sonar for testing and training exercises around the world, with both parties proclaiming victory." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/29/us...Dec 30 01:20
schestowitz75 percent job cuts at Free Radical < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22492/1093/ >Dec 30 01:38
schestowitz"The depression had devastating effects in virtually every country, rich or poor. International trade plunged by half to two-thirds, as did personal incomes, tax revenues, prices, and profits." < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_... >Dec 30 01:39
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schestowitzGood news. BN is almost in 2xxxth place for traffic, based on Netcraft. Groklaw, here we come.Dec 30 08:29
PetoKraussorry?Dec 30 08:43
schestowitzNever mind.Dec 30 08:47
schestowitzThe hecklers are at full force todayDec 30 08:48
schestowitz /Everything/ to prevent the site from being seen as legitimate.Dec 30 08:48
PetoKraushehe, seems like AMD gave it a nice buzz yesterdayDec 30 08:54
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schestowitzIs The Physical Bookstore A Thing Of The Past? http://techdirt.com/articles/20081...Dec 30 10:56
trmanco:ODec 30 11:01
trmancoSpam alert on COLADec 30 11:01
trmancooh, they are already expiredDec 30 11:01
schestowitzOh no. It's back???Dec 30 11:01
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/gro...Dec 30 11:02
trmancoit a gmail domainDec 30 11:02
trmancoexample: http://groups.google.com/group/comp....Dec 30 11:02
schestowitzI've just noticed that COLA activity rose in 2008.Dec 30 11:03
schestowitzOver 10,000 posts per monthDec 30 11:03
trmancosome might be spamDec 30 11:04
schestowitzWhat a loser: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0...Dec 30 11:05
schestowitzI knew he was going to sell out as soon as he gets inDec 30 11:05
schestowitzI'm writing about it now. He's accepting cheques from Ballmer, BillG and chums.Dec 30 11:06
schestowitzChange... change my behind.Dec 30 11:06
trmancoobama?Dec 30 11:09
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schestowitzYes, trmanco. I have a good post coming. :-)Dec 30 11:14
schestowitzHey, SRDec 30 11:14
trmancookDec 30 11:14
TheOriginalSRHi there.Dec 30 11:14
TheOriginalSRIt's been a year. I'm a bit concerned :-(Dec 30 11:15
schestowitzWhy?Dec 30 11:16
schestowitzYou're SR from the commente, right?Dec 30 11:16
schestowitz*commentsDec 30 11:16
TheOriginalSRDissenting voices seem a bit, err... over punched :-(Dec 30 11:16
TheOriginalSRAye, that's me, mate.Dec 30 11:16
TheOriginalSRThe dissenting comments are quite good, even if I disagree.Dec 30 11:17
TheOriginalSRThey strengthen the arguement, but labeling them somehow detracts from things :-(Dec 30 11:17
TheOriginalSRI wrote your first guest article, so it's not as if I disagree with you...Dec 30 11:18
TheOriginalSRAnd I'm even willing to write more.Dec 30 11:18
TheOriginalSRBut the red text for some people, who make alot of sense, even if the opinion is contrary - - iDec 30 11:19
TheOriginalSRit removes credibility :-(Dec 30 11:19
schestowitzWhich comments specifically?Dec 30 11:19
TheOriginalSRgood question - and not one I have a ready answer for :-(Dec 30 11:19
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: which one (Article)?Dec 30 11:20
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: those who are labeled do something interesting.Dec 30 11:20
schestowitzAt first they just attack peopleDec 30 11:20
schestowitzAttack, attack, attack.Dec 30 11:20
TheOriginalSRbut it seems, skimming the last few days in general, it seems there is either !) cDec 30 11:20
schestowitzThen, when they get labeled, they suddenly engage in an actual argumentDec 30 11:20
TheOriginalSRa) Agreement, or B) shilling, with no ground to just honestly disagreeDec 30 11:21
schestowitzThen they can whine that we abuse voices rather than label vandalsDec 30 11:21
TheOriginalSRWow. It's been so long, I can't remember the article.Dec 30 11:21
schestowitzWhat was it about?Dec 30 11:21
TheOriginalSRI actually had several written, but my wife's work made us run SLED for almost a yyearDec 30 11:21
schestowitzI think Mark gave the first guest postDec 30 11:21
schestowitzOhDec 30 11:22
schestowitzSunday Refugee.Dec 30 11:22
TheOriginalSRand I was *discouraged* from doing anything else.Dec 30 11:22
TheOriginalSRAye, that's me, mate ;-)Dec 30 11:22
schestowitzCool.Dec 30 11:22
TheOriginalSRSR is just easier to type ;-)Dec 30 11:22
TheOriginalSRI'm only commenting because I care ;-)Dec 30 11:22
schestowitzThere is just one vandal that changed his ways in the sense that he gives argumentsDec 30 11:22
schestowitzOne of them vanishedDec 30 11:22
schestowitzThere are only 3Dec 30 11:22
schestowitzeet is the worseDec 30 11:22
schestowitzYou remember eet, right?Dec 30 11:23
schestowitzHe nymshifts a lot.Dec 30 11:23
TheOriginalSRI remember him well. He ad-hommed me many times for no reason at all.Dec 30 11:23
schestowitzHe attacked readers tooDec 30 11:23
TheOriginalSRTrying to engage him in rational debate just got me called names...Dec 30 11:23
schestowitzHe's still around, but he uses other nymsDec 30 11:23
schestowitz"eet" is too tainted now.Dec 30 11:23
schestowitzThe Michaels guy was one of the most vicious vandalsDec 30 11:24
schestowitzNow he actually argues, not just vandalisesDec 30 11:24
TheOriginalSRAlexH makes some good points in the last few days. I don't necessarily agree, but I'd hate for him to get a label :-(Dec 30 11:24
schestowitzHe also stalked a reader and libeled him. He still does that, but only as an appendage to an argumentDec 30 11:24
TheOriginalSRI haven't seen his past, so I can't comment on Micheals ;-)Dec 30 11:24
schestowitzAlex won't get a labelDec 30 11:24
schestowitzI never accused of of trollingDec 30 11:24
schestowitzHe's just nitpicking a lotDec 30 11:25
schestowitzAnd Microsoft can never do wrong in his eyesDec 30 11:25
TheOriginalSRI'm actually downloading Mint, and getting ready to purge the last of Novell from my PC  LOLDec 30 11:25
schestowitzEven the SFLC has begun talking out loud about Mcirosoft's fake gesture to OSSDec 30 11:25
schestowitzSUSE fell behindDec 30 11:25
schestowitzI see it ranked quite poorly among those who try it.Dec 30 11:25
schestowitzLike 4thDec 30 11:25
TheOriginalSRAye. I nearly have my  wife ready to convert.Dec 30 11:26
TheOriginalSRShe ran SLED for a year, and it was solid.Dec 30 11:26
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: follow the links in the red text and you'll see the pastDec 30 11:26
schestowitzSLED is oldDec 30 11:26
TheOriginalSRShe got Vista, and it's now decided to blacklist her DVD drive in her PCDec 30 11:26
schestowitz1006?Dec 30 11:26
schestowitz2006Dec 30 11:26
schestowitzBlacklist.. is that a feature?Dec 30 11:26
TheOriginalSRSo it shows up, but it's not useable.Dec 30 11:26
TheOriginalSRSecurity Feature LOLllDec 30 11:27
TheOriginalSRSo she remembers the reliability and freedom of GNU/Linux, but doesn't want to beDec 30 11:27
TheOriginalSR*warned* again of my *subversive* thoughts on freedom. Hence, Mint is downoading ;-)Dec 30 11:28
schestowitzSecurity of course.Dec 30 11:28
schestowitzGo to secure the MPAA from financial bankruptcyDec 30 11:28
schestowitz*GotDec 30 11:28
TheOriginalSRoh, of course. Which means, a hacker in Bangladesh found out a way to rip DVD'sDec 30 11:28
schestowitzIt's a pointless wartDec 30 11:29
schestowitzYou shut one hole, another one opensDec 30 11:29
TheOriginalSRso everyone globally has the drive disabled until (if?) the manufacturer decides to develop a patchDec 30 11:29
schestowitzYou only aggravate the good people.Dec 30 11:29
TheOriginalSRPrecisely. Like my wife, who was only trying to save a slideshow she made for her L6 class childrenDec 30 11:30
TheOriginalSRbrb royDec 30 11:30
schestowitzHa. Teachers... those fiends! Trying to steal and pirate from poor artists.. those "criminals" (Glickman's terminology)Dec 30 11:33
TheOriginalSRAye, mate. She made a slide-show about slavery, set to music, to distribute to children to watch at homeDec 30 11:36
TheOriginalSRVista, unfortunately, has flagged her cd-burner as possibly DRM-breakingDec 30 11:37
schestowitzSlavery is an important subjectDec 30 11:37
TheOriginalSRso she's stuck.Dec 30 11:37
schestowitzIt's not properly covered in educationDec 30 11:37
schestowitzThey should spend more time educating kids about ethics, freedom and human rights.Dec 30 11:37
TheOriginalSRI convinved her that the newer OpenSuSE would work better.Dec 30 11:37
schestowitzLess about genocidal literature like the bible.Dec 30 11:37
schestowitzAlso, mathematics and biology should be emphasisedDec 30 11:38
TheOriginalSRImagine my surprise when I discover that *any* cd-burner must be launched as root from a terminal in any DE in SuSE 11Dec 30 11:38
schestowitzNone of that creationism (IMHO) and global warming being "an undecided issue"Dec 30 11:38
TheOriginalSR11.1Dec 30 11:38
schestowitzWeirdDec 30 11:38
schestowitzMandriva and Ubuntu don't work this wayDec 30 11:38
TheOriginalSRShe agrees. Her district mandated that she can't disclose the age of the Grand CanyonDec 30 11:39
schestowitzWhy?Dec 30 11:39
schestowitzHa!!Dec 30 11:39
schestowitzNo way!Dec 30 11:39
schestowitzCause the Earth can't be older than /what/?\Dec 30 11:39
TheOriginalSRBecause it might go against "Intelligent Design" ;-)Dec 30 11:39
TheOriginalSRthan 6,000 years old ;-)Dec 30 11:40
schestowitzSorry... not earth... "world" (with hell underneath and heaven aboveDec 30 11:40
TheOriginalSRThere is a work-around in Suse 11.1 - add yourself to a user groupDec 30 11:40
schestowitzThis is outrageous.Dec 30 11:40
TheOriginalSRBut if you have trouble running from a command line, you're NEVER going to figure out adding yourself to a user grroupDec 30 11:40
schestowitz"Intelligent Design" = stupid by designDec 30 11:40
schestowitz[Apologies to religious readers]Dec 30 11:41
TheOriginalSRmy thoughts exactly ;-)Dec 30 11:41
schestowitzThey make children stupid, by designDec 30 11:41
schestowitzThey manufacture ignoranceDec 30 11:41
TheOriginalSRAnd Bush's "No Child Left Behind" means teachers have to teach how to pass testsDec 30 11:41
schestowitzPraise the gods and do your work 9-5, then start a second jobDec 30 11:41
TheOriginalSRinstead of teaching material and how to learn ;-)Dec 30 11:41
schestowitzA levels have some similar issuesDec 30 11:42
schestowitzThe goal is not to educate by to produce better marksDec 30 11:42
schestowitzSATs likewise-- they teach tricks and methods for 'hacking' the test, so it's no longer about intelligence, but about perseverance mostly... a test of patienceDec 30 11:42
TheOriginalSRExactly! And teachers are sick to death of it... but they get the brunt of the attacks...Dec 30 11:43
schestowitzRMS' got 1600 in his SATsDec 30 11:43
schestowitzI only found this out last week.Dec 30 11:43
TheOriginalSRThat doesn't surprise me.Dec 30 11:43
TheOriginalSRMy irritated commenting was based from reading the sun/ooxml thread, mate.Dec 30 11:44
TheOriginalSRIs Sun responsible for ooxml in oo.o?Dec 30 11:44
TheOriginalSRBeing on SLED for a year, we've had a, rather, outdated version ;-)Dec 30 11:44
schestowitzIt implemented this at a later stage because Microsoft managed to bribe enough companies (Novell included) to ram it down ISO's throat.Dec 30 11:45
TheOriginalSRSo then Novell forked a version that already had ooxml?Dec 30 11:45
TheOriginalSRIf so, as much as I despise Novell, it doesn't seem like thier fault...Dec 30 11:46
schestowitzNot quiteDec 30 11:46
schestowitzGo-OOXML is olderDec 30 11:46
schestowitzAnd Novell built a 'translator' as part of its commitment to MicrosoftDec 30 11:46
TheOriginalSRso Go had ooxml *before* Sun implemented it?Dec 30 11:46
schestowitzYesDec 30 11:46
schestowitzNovell built softwareDec 30 11:46
schestowitzLinspire and Turbolinux tooDec 30 11:46
TheOriginalSRok. then that clarifies my understanding greatly.Dec 30 11:47
schestowitzThat was part of their dfeal with MicrosoftDec 30 11:47
schestowitzMicrosoft: "we won't shoot your knees if you support and implement OOXML"Dec 30 11:47
schestowitzBy doing so, they enabled Microsoft to say, "look, we have FOSS companies supporting OOMXL"Dec 30 11:47
schestowitzThey just didn't say that it was bribed forDec 30 11:47
TheOriginalSR*nothing* Novell does surprises me.Dec 30 11:48
schestowitzThat was just 'insignificant' detailsDec 30 11:48
schestowitzAcquires (bought) consentDec 30 11:48
TheOriginalSRMicrosoft *buys* everything. Novell becomes a prop to make it look like they have legit competitionDec 30 11:49
TheOriginalSRand if worse comes to worse, they aquire Novell and the rights to Unix.Dec 30 11:49
schestowitzCan you help me proofread this? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/...Dec 30 11:50
TheOriginalSRI've already been threatened by the Novell system - I know what happens to dissenting voices ;-)Dec 30 11:50
schestowitzI could use a second pair of eyesDec 30 11:50
TheOriginalSRHence, me not posting for a year.Dec 30 11:50
TheOriginalSRSureDec 30 11:50
schestowitzIt's also about the same topic of payments for favboursDec 30 11:50
schestowitzbut it's new (posted 30 secs ago)Dec 30 11:50
schestowitz> "Hence, me not posting for a year." Yes, well, I learned a lot over the past yearDec 30 11:51
schestowitzThe research is very cumulativeDec 30 11:51
TheOriginalSRIs Gates buying CDs, or are they more direct investments? (less traceable)Dec 30 11:53
schestowitzCDs?Dec 30 11:54
schestowitzStands for?Dec 30 11:54
schestowitzCongress delegates?Dec 30 11:54
TheOriginalSRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certif...Dec 30 11:56
TheOriginalSRguaranteed investmens, if you will.Dec 30 11:56
schestowitzLike SCO's?Dec 30 11:56
schestowitzLarry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCO: "[Microsoft's] Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would 'backstop,' or guarantee in some way, BayStar's investment.... Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar's investment in SCO."Dec 30 11:56
TheOriginalSRnot really. it's like buying stock in a government, almost like a loan.Dec 30 11:57
TheOriginalSRnot entirely ethical, as reciprocation is "expected", but not quite an outright bribe ;-)Dec 30 11:57
TheOriginalSROh, this one hurts, Roy. I campaigned for Obama :-(Dec 30 11:58
schestowitzMe tooDec 30 11:58
TheOriginalSRThis is *very* odd. I'm under the understanding that "personal" contributions are capped at 2KDec 30 11:59
schestowitzI promoted his candidancy in BNDec 30 11:59
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schestowitzBut I am not blind to issuesDec 30 11:59
schestowitzI like Linux, but I don't approve Linus' stance on GPLv3Dec 30 11:59
schestowitzI also disagree with RMS on some issues, but I love GNU and FSFDec 30 11:59
schestowitzUnconditional admiration or love is dangerousDec 30 12:00
TheOriginalSROh my. This is fairly common here in the States, I must admit.Dec 30 12:00
schestowitzThat's how leaders can push people into a 'war' in Vietnam and other stupid things.Dec 30 12:00
schestowitzDon't idolise Obama yetDec 30 12:00
schestowitzHe's the lesser bad choiceDec 30 12:00
TheOriginalSRCorps often contribute under "employee" names, often without even thier knowledgeDec 30 12:00
schestowitzThe whole system in the US is seriously brokenDec 30 12:00
schestowitzCharacteristics of Failed State(R)Dec 30 12:01
TheOriginalSRAye. We're run by special interest groups, with the populace only catered to during "elections"Dec 30 12:01
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: being common never makes a thing alrightDec 30 12:01
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/16/...Dec 30 12:01
TheOriginalSRno, not at all. I didn't mean to say that. Just that sadly, it happens often :-(Dec 30 12:02
schestowitz“Microsoft’s perspective is best reflected by Bob Herbold, Chief Operating Officer, to whom the CFO reports. Bob very sincerely replied, “Bill, everyone is doing it.” "Dec 30 12:02
schestowitzThere are countries that were destoryed by blind love for a 'fuhrer'Dec 30 12:02
schestowitzObama faces obstacledDec 30 12:03
schestowitzObama faces obstaclesDec 30 12:03
schestowitzThey say (some say) that Kennedy was killed for trying to change the systemDec 30 12:03
schestowitzAs in reform itDec 30 12:03
schestowitzMandela almost died tooDec 30 12:03
TheOriginalSRYep. Fuhrer Bush almost destroyed mine. "You're either for me or terrorists" directllly mirrors GoebelllsDec 30 12:04
TheOriginalSRKennedy was. He was shot precisely *4* days after announcing he would end the Vietnam War ;-)Dec 30 12:05
TheOriginalSRMy hero, Steven Bantu Biko, *did* die for attempting peaceful reform and peace ;-)Dec 30 12:05
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: I know too little about KennedyDec 30 12:06
TheOriginalSRWhat is the money-trail now? Where are these outlandish monies going...Dec 30 12:07
schestowitzNot my home  country (nor my days)Dec 30 12:07
trmancohttp://www.internetling.com/2008/12/2...Dec 30 12:07
*schestowitz looks up Steven Bantu BikDec 30 12:07
schestowitztrmanco: I saw it but won't feed itDec 30 12:07
schestowitzIt feeds a Microsoft lackey (Adrian)Dec 30 12:07
TheOriginalSRbrb - going to boot up Mint instead of SuSEDec 30 12:07
trmancookDec 30 12:08
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schestowitzWhat do you mean? Whicfh money trails?Dec 30 12:08
schestowitzOh, he's goneDec 30 12:08
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trmancoScammers Use Microsoft and IRS Websites To Install Viruses On Computers – Antivirus 2009 And Other Spyware Programs: http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q...Dec 30 12:12
MinceRr4wrDec 30 12:14
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schestowitzHeyDec 30 12:18
schestowitztrmanco: I saw that earlierDec 30 12:18
schestowitzI wrote about it in BNDec 30 12:18
TheOriginalSRThe only problem I can see with the article is that if, say, %100 percent of the monies go to charity, the article could backfire..Dec 30 12:18
trmancomeh, you always beat me to it :-PDec 30 12:18
TheOriginalSRbut if there's no money trail, there's *serious* trouble...Dec 30 12:20
TheOriginalSRalso - has Red Hat possibly donated? Or the FSF?Dec 30 12:23
schestowitzWhich money?Dec 30 12:23
schestowitzThe Gates money?Dec 30 12:23
schestowitzWhat *is* charity?Dec 30 12:23
schestowitzDrugware?Dec 30 12:23
schestowitz'Free' addictionware?Dec 30 12:24
TheOriginalSRgood question. not as in "Gates Foundation" charity.Dec 30 12:24
schestowitzDid you follow the link on anchor 'charity'?Dec 30 12:24
schestowitzA lot of people have misconception about what it isDec 30 12:24
TheOriginalSRI must not have. Let me read again...Dec 30 12:24
schestowitzBecause the media which reports about it is owned by the very same entities it reports onDec 30 12:25
TheOriginalSRhttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008...Dec 30 12:28
TheOriginalSRso "individual" contributors is as close as legally possible to a bribe ;-)Dec 30 12:29
schestowitzWell...Dec 30 12:30
schestowitzI didn't say that, but you did.Dec 30 12:30
TheOriginalSRI did. Because it appears to be true ;-)Dec 30 12:30
trmancoWindows 7 Fails to Play Nice with Legacy USB Network Adapters: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-Fails-t...Dec 30 12:30
TheOriginalSRWin7 is going to get alot of debugging before GM, though.Dec 30 12:31
schestowitzVista 7 doesn't exist yetDec 30 12:31
schestowitzIt's just Vista with some glossDec 30 12:31
schestowitzFor Microsoft fans to play with early for rave 'reviewsDec 30 12:31
TheOriginalSROf course, it'll still be DRM restrictive, but trivial issues like that won't exist.Dec 30 12:31
schestowitzIt's like Vista circa 2005 all over again.Dec 30 12:31
schestowitzLet the Windows  fanatics play with it and pretend it's drek on a plateDec 30 12:32
TheOriginalSRIt's Vista with a slightly different DE. Same restrictions on freedom, nicer wallpaper ;-)Dec 30 12:32
schestowitztrmanco: unless it's to do with manipulation, I'd rather not mention Vista7. That's what Microsoft would wantDec 30 12:32
schestowitzIf you put vapourware in people's faces, they can almost feel like it's already outDec 30 12:33
schestowitzThat's the point of vapourware.. to freeze the marketDec 30 12:33
trmancoit an illusionDec 30 12:33
schestowitzMicrosoft's patent troll Myhrvold wrote this in an E-mail.Dec 30 12:33
TheOriginalSRremember Allchin's +1 evengelism quote ;-)Dec 30 12:33
schestowitzTheOriginalSR: yes, it has a nice wallpaperDec 30 12:33
schestowitzI can't wait until it comes outDec 30 12:33
*schestowitz has about 60 wallpaper from the Vista setDec 30 12:34
PetoKraus:)Dec 30 12:34
trmancosome people are trying it in a VM, it is not real hardware, where you have to download drivers for 3d accelerationDec 30 12:34
schestowitzshuffles these among hundreds more in KDE3.5Dec 30 12:34
trmancoanti virus and stuffDec 30 12:34
TheOriginalSRYeah. So even more teachers can be locked out of teahing devices, just in case someone has figured out how to copy movies from the same deevice ;0*Dec 30 12:34
schestowitzNothing was said about Vista7 secuerity mind you.Dec 30 12:35
trmancoso people are saying it is faster, and that is because it hasn't been bloated up as it is going to be when OEM start to ship that crapDec 30 12:35
TheOriginalSRgah. I can't see half of my posts LOLDec 30 12:35
schestowitz No coincidence.. Vista is a security mess for so many reasons and Vista7 leaves it as is.Dec 30 12:35
schestowitztrmanco: /which/ people say this?Dec 30 12:35
TheOriginalSRIt's only faster because of the Acer Ferrari's it's distributed with ;-)Dec 30 12:35
schestowitzThose whom Microsoft bribed with dual-core  laptops?Dec 30 12:35
trmancoas schestowitz says, it is Vista with some more lipstickDec 30 12:35
trmancoschestowitz, noDec 30 12:35
schestowitzOr those whose job is to sell Windows books (Ed Bott et al)Dec 30 12:36
schestowitzIt's naked emperorDec 30 12:36
trmanco1 secDec 30 12:36
schestowitzThe mother with 3 kids doesn't have a new $2000 laptop from LeniviDec 30 12:36
schestowitzLenovoDec 30 12:36
schestowitzAnd given the Depression that's coming, she won't buy a new one either.Dec 30 12:36
schestowitzMint would do anything she needs for free, on the existing h/w, without turning her to part of t a botnetDec 30 12:37
TheOriginalSRHopefully, she'll buy a netbook with Linux ;-)Dec 30 12:37
trmancoschestowitz, stuff like this: http://srcasm.com/2008/12/29/initia... Dec 30 12:37
TheOriginalSRWe'll see. I'm almost ready to boot into Mint 6 on hardware that XP chokes on ;-)Dec 30 12:37
schestowitztrmanco: it says nothing about h/wDec 30 12:37
trmancoVMDec 30 12:38
TheOriginalSRIt's already faster from LiveCD than XP was on the hard driveDec 30 12:38
schestowitzYup, nothing abouu h/wDec 30 12:38
trmancohe tested it in a VM, it is not real hardwareDec 30 12:38
schestowitzThe blog's tag cloud is worth a glanceDec 30 12:38
TheOriginalSRWin7 is aiming for slightly-higher-than-Vista level hardware. Which puts it out of reach of probably 50% of the popullation.Dec 30 12:38
schestowitzhttp://srcasm.com/about-2/Dec 30 12:38
TheOriginalSRinstallation complete. brbDec 30 12:39
schestowitztrmanco: people with needed equipment and software benchmarked Vista7Dec 30 12:39
schestowitzIt's as heavy as VistaDec 30 12:39
trmancoyes I remember thatDec 30 12:39
schestowitzSome guy that says "Two words — It’s Fast!" is no benchmarkDec 30 12:39
schestowitzIt's like saying, "gosh! I'm so hungry I could east a horse"Dec 30 12:40
schestowitzTo use that example from Elaine in Seinfeld.Dec 30 12:40
trmancoLOLDec 30 12:40
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trmancocool -> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...Dec 30 13:01
schestowitztrmanco: can you pls spot typos for me? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/un...Dec 30 13:02
schestowitzThanks, I saw the AMD news this morning. It's big win.Dec 30 13:02
trmancoschestowitz, where?Dec 30 13:03
trmancoall the postDec 30 13:03
schestowitzYes, please.Dec 30 13:03
schestowitzIf you read the site, then it's easy..Dec 30 13:03
schestowitzI mean, if people read it anyway, then they can easily report typosDec 30 13:03
schestowitzOmar was doing that a few times.Dec 30 13:03
schestowitzIt's better to have that corrected once it's spottedDec 30 13:04
schestowitzIn Groklaw there's a thread only for corrections.Dec 30 13:04
trmancook, I'll check in 5 minutesDec 30 13:04
trmancoI have to go do something before I explode :|Dec 30 13:04
schestowitzSounds like you need ./WineDec 30 13:05
PetoKraus:) well yeahDec 30 13:07
trmancobackDec 30 13:12
trmancoI'll be checking it nowDec 30 13:12
trmancoschestowitz, I haven't found any typoDec 30 13:15
schestowitzThanksDec 30 13:16
trmancoyou're welcomeDec 30 13:16
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schestowitzzoobab: the file preview suit is connected to the Ray Niro troll.Dec 30 13:32
schestowitzI missed it the first time around.Dec 30 13:32
schestowitzhttp://reddit.jaanix.com/94912-cygnus-files-p... "Cygnus Systems has initiated a patent infringement law suit with Niro, Scavone, Haller & Niro Partners against Microsoft, Google, and Apple Inc."Dec 30 13:32
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d...  "The UK government says that many ex-cons become homeless and commit crimes to get back in prison. To solve this tiny fraction of the homelessness problem, the Conservatives propose to withhold some of the meager pay prisoners get for their jobs."Dec 30 13:35
schestowitz*LOL* I searched for troll and got this image: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:S434...Dec 30 13:58
PetoKraus"This is part of why the UK and the US have such a high fraction of the population in prison."Dec 30 14:00
PetoKrausi am glad he said "part"Dec 30 14:00
PetoKrausthe other "part" is simply because of nedsDec 30 14:01
zoobabhttp://media.ffii.org/25C3/...Dec 30 14:05
schestowitzThankls.Dec 30 14:06
zoobabvideo is in the same dirDec 30 14:06
schestowitzzoobab: put it in Google AppsDec 30 14:07
zoobabit needs to be splittedDec 30 14:07
schestowitzThen I can put it in an iframeDec 30 14:07
schestowitzFor page to page throughDec 30 14:07
schestowitzhehe. Nice pictureDec 30 14:07
schestowitzIs that Sarko and Appel (MS exec) sharing a boat? ;-)Dec 30 14:07
schestowitzGood presentationDec 30 14:09
schestowitzIt delivers the point concisely and convincingly.Dec 30 14:09
schestowitzzoobab: I'll post a roundup about patents in a moment, so iframe would helpDec 30 14:11
zoobabhttp://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-1...Dec 30 14:12
schestowitzPerfectDec 30 14:13
schestowitzNiro, Scavone, Haller & Niro Partners = Raymond Niro, right?Dec 30 14:15
schestowitzJust to be 100% sure.Dec 30 14:15
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Omar87hi allDec 30 15:32
schestowitzRumour again: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-la...Dec 30 15:33
schestowitzCollaborative biz: Why (Real) Relationships Matter < http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/haqu... >Dec 30 15:38
Omar87hiDec 30 15:43
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schestowitzHow are you?Dec 30 15:47
Omar87I good, thanks.Dec 30 15:48
Omar87You?Dec 30 15:48
schestowitzJust posted this seconds ago: (that's why I didn't respond) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/m...Dec 30 15:48
schestowitzI'm OKDec 30 15:48
schestowitzMeeting a friend in a few hours.. new year's preparations.Dec 30 15:48

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