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| _Hicham_ | balzac : :D | Mar 05 19:22 |
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| _Hicham_ | great observation | Mar 05 19:22 |
| _Hicham_ | firefox 3.1 will play ogg out of the box | Mar 05 19:28 |
| _Hicham_ | it has a built-in plugin | Mar 05 19:28 |
| _Hicham_ | that can be tested on http://olpc.dailymotion.com | Mar 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_compani... | Mar 05 19:28 |
| _Hicham_ | does that talk about novell? | Mar 05 19:29 |
| _Hicham_ | the only real linux company is RedHat | Mar 05 19:30 |
| _Hicham_ | the only flaw they have is their packaging system | Mar 05 19:30 |
| _Hicham_ | the rpm | Mar 05 19:30 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, check you inbox | Mar 05 19:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks. | Mar 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7909595.stm | Mar 05 19:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, and save my new key if it is not asking much | Mar 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/resource... | Mar 05 19:38 |
| trmanco | cool | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I'll link to it later | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft lads act like the mafia now | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Threatening to take companies out of business if they don't pay Microsoft for... its rival's product | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to have it both way... no matter what you buy, you'll pay Microsoft. | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "Intellectual property is the next software." --Microsoft goon. | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I think we'll have to dive deeper into politics and those crooks in Bellevue who bribe such politicians for anti-FOSS laws | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | They corrupted EU today, as well | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "Innovation Day"... Microsoft and chums. | Mar 05 19:45 |
| trmanco | wispy might come here today | Mar 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | How do you know? | Mar 05 19:58 |
| trmanco | she shouted on digg | Mar 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Cool. She read my personal site a lot, so that's how I know her. | Mar 05 19:58 |
| trmanco | cool | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Compiler News: LLVM 2.5 released < http://arstechnica.com/open-source/ne... > | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm very pissed off at Microsoft today | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | They throw a ditry -orgy- party where they corrupt EU-based politicians | Mar 05 19:59 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Their company is dying | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | So they throw fits | Mar 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | And they cause great damage | Mar 05 20:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I hope so | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They bully companies like TomTom | Mar 05 20:00 |
| trmanco | the try to throw fits | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | And I'm not sure how to best counter this | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | One method: show they are criminals, publish Comes exhibits | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Another: analyse news | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Another: expose the names and role of crooks like Jonathan Zuck | Mar 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | COmpanies are people and authorities likewise | Mar 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | If you can expose names and role of people (what they do), then they get nervous | Mar 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I can see from E-mail they send me that we do tremendous damage to their reputation | Mar 05 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | that is very big campaign | Mar 05 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | i am participating | Mar 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is big | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | We need PJ back on the saddle | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux.com is kaput | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Stupid social media placeholder | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Uhuntu Brainstorm. | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks is importanyt | Mar 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Someone from a EU-based MS-polluted committee mailed me this afternoon. | Mar 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | There's chance of leaking lots more stuff... replacing the need for the old type of journalism | Mar 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | There's already an attempt to map some of the culprits: http://www.microturfs.org/ It's quite unprofessional though, compared to Source Watch.. http://www.microturfs.org/index:jan-van-den-beld | Mar 05 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microturfs.org/index:europe-s-500 "Europe's 500 is a listing of businesses, but it profiles Microsoft as "sponsor and partner" and has recently been calling for a single European patent system, which is code for "software patents"." | Mar 05 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Excellent: http://www.pcworld.com/article/16076... They finally adapt to new business model | Mar 05 20:10 |
| schestowitz | ping zoobab01..? | Mar 05 20:15 |
| _Hicham_ | what if all the distributions directed their effort to provide the best distribution ever? | Mar 05 20:17 |
| _Hicham_ | would that counter M$? | Mar 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Washington may be dumping Microsoft Office: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives... | Mar 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | That seems like old news though | Mar 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I doubt it. Neither RMS nor Linus are in favour | Mar 05 20:18 |
| _Hicham_ | i know that it is old news | Mar 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | People use Linux because they are free to own and change and share it... we don't need another OS X. | Mar 05 20:18 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont mean sthg like os x | Mar 05 20:18 |
| _Hicham_ | i m just thinking about hardware support | Mar 05 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Why did PJ link to this? http://www.nostarch.com/growin... | Mar 05 20:20 |
| _Hicham_ | hardware vendors will think about giving working drivers for linux, if there a sort of unified framework | Mar 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: hardware is Linux | Mar 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | There is (mostly) one Linux | Mar 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | BSD shares some driver, AFAIK | Mar 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: drivers go into the kernel | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | There's tons of FUD about this stuff | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Some distros branch out of the mainline kernel or use older kernels | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | But the same applies to all | Mar 05 20:21 |
| _Hicham_ | I know that they do into the kernel | Mar 05 20:21 |
| _Hicham_ | as modules | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Installers might be more of a pain to them (but shouldn't) | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Or sound system | Mar 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has created this Surveillance Self-Defense site to educate the American public about the law and technology of government surveillance in the United States, providing the information and tools necessary to evaluate the threat of surveillance and take appropriate steps to defend against it." | Mar 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | https://ssd.eff.org/ | Mar 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Asus' dual-screen concept laptop < http://www.cnet.com/8301-18603_1-... > | Mar 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Novell would be wise to distance itself from the anathema of Free software -- a company that is suing Linux at the moment thanks to Novell's legitimisation of Linux patent infringement. Novell should put FOSS people in charge, not 'IP'-savvy IBMers like Jaffe and Hovsepian. Why is the latter rewarded $7 million for taking the company in the wrong direction? Shareholders deserve answers. | Mar 05 20:34 |
| balzac | Asus is suing Linux over software patent claims? | Mar 05 20:37 |
| balzac | I'm going to buy a dell mini next time. | Mar 05 20:37 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : where did u see that? | Mar 05 20:38 |
| balzac | wait, nevermind | Mar 05 20:38 |
| balzac | I merged two of Roy's comments in my mind, assuming they were related. | Mar 05 20:38 |
| MinceR | dell is in the patent racket, iirc | Mar 05 20:38 |
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| MinceR | also, dell sucks | Mar 05 20:38 |
| balzac | michael dell is a moron | Mar 05 20:39 |
| balzac | He got dissed badly by Vladimir Putin | Mar 05 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | asus have have nothing to do with software | Mar 05 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | dell is supporting linux, no? | Mar 05 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | they sell laptops with with ubuntu preinstalled | Mar 05 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | what wrong with them? | Mar 05 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | can u explain plz? | Mar 05 20:39 |
| balzac | yes, Dell is selling ubuntu netbooks | Mar 05 20:40 |
| balzac | nice looking ones | Mar 05 20:40 |
| balzac | MinceR: What is Dell's involvement in software patents? | Mar 05 20:40 |
| balzac | regardless, Michael Dell is still a pompous ass. | Mar 05 20:40 |
| _Hicham_ | asus also is selling netbooks with Xandros preinstalled | Mar 05 20:41 |
| _Hicham_ | its EeePC series | Mar 05 20:41 |
| balzac | I bought an eee | Mar 05 20:41 |
| balzac | I thought those two things Roy wrote were related | Mar 05 20:41 |
| balzac | probably not | Mar 05 20:41 |
| _Hicham_ | how was it? | Mar 05 20:41 |
| balzac | it's pretty nice | Mar 05 20:42 |
| _Hicham_ | was it with XP or Xandros? | Mar 05 20:42 |
| balzac | After I read about Asus as firmware for fast-boot technology, I decided I'd buy more Asus products | Mar 05 20:43 |
| balzac | GNU/Linux on every computer as firmware - I love that | Mar 05 20:43 |
| balzac | Xandros | Mar 05 20:43 |
| balzac | and then I put Ubuntu, but I'm planning a switch to either Gnewsense or Debian in the future | Mar 05 20:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, Dell sold out | Mar 05 20:43 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : have u used Debian? | Mar 05 20:44 |
| balzac | I've installed it a couple of times | Mar 05 20:44 |
| balzac | I prefer debian-based distros to others | Mar 05 20:44 |
| balzac | for the package-management | Mar 05 20:44 |
| schestowitz | New: Introduction; the World’s First Fully Open Netbook < http://pobega.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/introdu... > | Mar 05 20:44 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: have you tried Debian 5? | Mar 05 20:44 |
| _Hicham_ | im just downloading it | Mar 05 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : i heard that debian is pretty faster than ubuntu | Mar 05 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | and i want to check that by myself | Mar 05 20:45 |
| balzac | I'm definitely going to give it a try | Mar 05 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | it has full support for EeePC | Mar 05 20:46 |
| balzac | I'm not comfortable with the fact that Ubuntu is shipping mono | Mar 05 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what ive red | Mar 05 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | me too | Mar 05 20:46 |
| balzac | Mono is contagious | Mar 05 20:46 |
| balzac | I always rip it out, right away | Mar 05 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | i ve deleted all mono crap | Mar 05 20:46 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont know why they ship it | Mar 05 20:47 |
| balzac | aptitude rip-it-out mono | Mar 05 20:47 |
| _Hicham_ | instead, they should have shipped more interesting packages | Mar 05 20:47 |
| _Hicham_ | like drivers | Mar 05 20:47 |
| balzac | yes | Mar 05 20:47 |
| _Hicham_ | and what is absurd is that they r not use | Mar 05 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | used | Mar 05 20:48 |
| balzac | There should be a aptitude flag to indicate your disapproval of a package's inclusion in the repositories | Mar 05 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | I think that they should move them from main | Mar 05 20:49 |
| balzac | aptitude -reject mono | Mar 05 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | because they are not completely free software | Mar 05 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | who needs them anyway? | Mar 05 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | build essential is absent when first installed | Mar 05 20:49 |
| _Hicham_ | is that correct? | Mar 05 20:50 |
| balzac | The problem is, people choose their software based on social-positioning rather than principles | Mar 05 20:50 |
| _Hicham_ | because they dont know the consequences | Mar 05 20:50 |
| balzac | If RMS says this and Torvalds says that, I'm going to choose to be somewhere in between. | Mar 05 20:50 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no awareness about the software | Mar 05 20:51 |
| balzac | What are Mark Shuttleworth's criteria for selecting software | Mar 05 20:51 |
| balzac | I read that Canonical has a proprietary application | Mar 05 20:51 |
| _Hicham_ | Mark Shuttleworth is an ex debian dev | Mar 05 20:51 |
| balzac | What's up with the PHP guys and the Zend optimizer? | Mar 05 20:51 |
| _Hicham_ | launchpad is proprietary | Mar 05 20:51 |
| balzac | some (open source) people aren't very picky about licenses | Mar 05 20:52 |
| tacone | many can. prods are proprietary | Mar 05 20:52 |
| tacone | launchpad will be opensourced in july, though. | Mar 05 20:52 |
| tacone | but landscape is proprietary, for example. | Mar 05 20:52 |
| _Hicham_ | Mark Shuttlework | Mar 05 20:52 |
| _Hicham_ | because he didnt have a good position in Debian i think | Mar 05 20:52 |
| balzac | they're into "open source" methodology and they find themselves using free software all the time, calling it "open source", referring to GNU & Linux as Linux, etc. | Mar 05 20:52 |
| tacone | ubuntu has even an official partner repository for canonical's partners proprietary applicattions | Mar 05 20:52 |
| balzac | Android is Linux. Embedded Linux is Linux. | Mar 05 20:53 |
| balzac | Most "Linux" is GNU/Linux. | Mar 05 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : that is not new | Mar 05 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | debian has the non-free repo | Mar 05 20:53 |
| balzac | It just shows that Mark Shuttleworth is confused, even though he's smart and good at leadership. | Mar 05 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not sthg new | Mar 05 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | he s a good manager | Mar 05 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | that is for sure | Mar 05 20:53 |
| balzac | yeah, but he's lacking in vision | Mar 05 20:54 |
| balzac | you could say the same of Linus Torvalds | Mar 05 20:54 |
| tacone | debian non-free is a different thing. | Mar 05 20:54 |
| _Hicham_ | but what is said throughout the net is that canonical is contributing back | Mar 05 20:54 |
| tacone | that's the ubuntu's restricted repository equivalent. | Mar 05 20:54 |
| _Hicham_ | they r just repackaging | Mar 05 20:54 |
| balzac | But Mark Shuttleworth doesn't keep whacking away at RMS' knees like Tanya Harding like Linus Torvalds does. | Mar 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | no, they aren't just repackaging | Mar 05 20:54 |
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| _Hicham_ | MinceR : what are they doing? | Mar 05 20:55 |
| tacone | (silence) | Mar 05 20:55 |
| _Hicham_ | no one is talking | Mar 05 20:56 |
| tacone | lol | Mar 05 20:56 |
| tacone | they did a few thing for the open source community | Mar 05 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | what is the company that contributes the most to Linux? | Mar 05 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | it is easy | Mar 05 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | come on | Mar 05 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | answer | Mar 05 20:56 |
| tacone | but kernel contributions are limited (even though some were made) | Mar 05 20:56 |
| balzac | That's why Mark Shuttleworth is ascending as a business leader for "Linux", "open source" and free software. | Mar 05 20:56 |
| tacone | lol, microsoft | Mar 05 20:56 |
| tacone | a lot of coupons for novell | Mar 05 20:57 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : good answer :D | Mar 05 20:57 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 05 20:57 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not novell | Mar 05 20:57 |
| _Hicham_ | it is well knows that the company that contribute the most to Linux is RedHat | Mar 05 20:57 |
| tacone | microsoft is giving money away to many projects | Mar 05 20:57 |
| tacone | yes, that's known. | Mar 05 20:57 |
| M$FT coupons, LOL, their stock just hit a new 52 week low of $ 15.27 | Mar 05 20:58 | |
| _Hicham_ | and it is doing business very well | Mar 05 20:58 |
| they don't have money to give. | Mar 05 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | Red Hat makes the most patches to kernel space | Mar 05 20:58 |
| balzac | Does Google use Redhat or some distro based on Redhat? | Mar 05 20:58 |
| tacone | yes, contributing is not just patching the kernel, though. | Mar 05 20:58 |
| corporate patches or overall? | Mar 05 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: good. They go down to $4 fast | Mar 05 20:58 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont know about google | Mar 05 20:59 |
| balzac | What kind of GNU/Linux does Google rely on? Maybe Google should try using Android to power their server farms instead of GNU/Linux. | Mar 05 20:59 |
| tacone | balzac: i heard about a modified debian | Mar 05 20:59 |
| tacone | but i'm not sure | Mar 05 20:59 |
| balzac | interesting | Mar 05 21:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft is using Linux at some point on their servers :D | Mar 05 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://fixunix.com/linux/548811-news-ri... | Mar 05 21:00 |
| *schestowitz trying to find a recent ref about Microsoft predicated to sink to $4 | Mar 05 21:00 | |
| tacone | _Hicham_: yes, on the download servers for sure. | Mar 05 21:00 |
| wow, you did not just make that up ... | Mar 05 21:00 | |
| M$ is over | Mar 05 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they do | Mar 05 21:01 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : not only on the download server, it is on everything | Mar 05 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Linux | Mar 05 21:01 |
| schestowitz | But SHEESH. Don't talk about it | Mar 05 21:01 |
| schestowitz | It's bad for MS marketing | Mar 05 21:01 |
| Balrog | of course they do | Mar 05 21:01 |
| balzac | Android is better than a purely proprietary mobile OS, but it's not the only implementation of the linux kernel for mobile devices. | Mar 05 21:01 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : it is akamai technology | Mar 05 21:01 |
| Balrog | though it's interesting to note that live.com and hotmail.com is now on windows | Mar 05 21:01 |
| balzac | I expect a full featured GNU/Linux would prevail over android for power users. | Mar 05 21:01 |
| Balrog | (at least one used to be linux) | Mar 05 21:01 |
| tacone | day will come we'll discover all the .aspx pages are mod-rewritten php pages | Mar 05 21:01 |
| _Hicham_ | akamai is a company specialed in protecting servers running IIS | Mar 05 21:02 |
| balzac | I don't know why I would bother with Android if I don't have GNU user-space included. | Mar 05 21:02 |
| balzac | tacone: that would be hilarious | Mar 05 21:02 |
| tacone | lol, yeah | Mar 05 21:02 |
| Balrog | Don't criticize akamai too highly ... they do more than that | Mar 05 21:02 |
| Balrog | I know one of their chief engineers | Mar 05 21:02 |
| balzac | The new IIS would be Apache re-mapped to give IIS signatures | Mar 05 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The routers in Microsoft's campus run Linux too | Mar 05 21:02 |
| Balrog | they specialize in load-balancing &c. | Mar 05 21:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : I am not criticizing akamai | Mar 05 21:02 |
| Balrog | heh ... most routers run Linux or VxWorks (an embedded UNIX) | Mar 05 21:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I am just stating a fact | Mar 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Akamai is misusing software patebts | Mar 05 21:03 |
| _Hicham_ | and i didnt say that they do just that | Mar 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They legitimise the corrupt, brutal system | Mar 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They sue rival over patents | Mar 05 21:03 |
| Balrog | you mean from DDOS? | Mar 05 21:03 |
| Balrog | well I don't know what happens with the business side of things | Mar 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they use Aruba Networks | Mar 05 21:04 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | Mar 05 21:04 |
| Balrog | this engineer complained that the 'business' people slow down progress | Mar 05 21:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is protecting Windows :D | Mar 05 21:04 |
| Balrog | now what about all those vxworks routers? | Mar 05 21:05 |
| Balrog | and bsd-based ones? | Mar 05 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Just in: Bilski Continues To Cause Software Patents To Get Rejected < http://techdirt.com/articles... > | Mar 05 21:05 |
| _Hicham_ | Cisco run ASP inside their routers, no? | Mar 05 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they exist tii | Mar 05 21:05 |
| schestowitz | *too | Mar 05 21:05 |
| Ah, the Death Watch theme song is always good to hear, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Mar 05 21:05 | |
| Balrog | I don't know of any router running Windows | Mar 05 21:07 |
| Balrog | do those exist? | Mar 05 21:07 |
| MinceR | 220205 < _Hicham_> MinceR : what are they doing? | Mar 05 21:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : yes, they do | Mar 05 21:07 |
| MinceR | making their own patches, for example | Mar 05 21:07 |
| MinceR | 220240 < tacone> (silence) | Mar 05 21:07 |
| MinceR | diaf | Mar 05 21:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : do u work with cisco routers? | Mar 05 21:07 |
| Balrog | nope. | Mar 05 21:07 |
| Balrog | we don't work with routers at all here | Mar 05 21:07 |
| tacone | uh ? | Mar 05 21:08 |
| Balrog | there's another division that does that, and we're not allowed to | Mar 05 21:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : Cisco routers are the most widespread worldwide | Mar 05 21:08 |
| Balrog | and not surprisingly, tensions are high between the networking people and us | Mar 05 21:08 |
| Balrog | but do they run Windows? | Mar 05 21:08 |
| _Hicham_ | you work with ASP to configure them | Mar 05 21:08 |
| Balrog | ew. | Mar 05 21:08 |
| _Hicham_ | all the stuff is written is ASP | Mar 05 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | so IIS is installed there for sure | Mar 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | DRM FAIL. "One tech idea that simply won't go away is the set-top box for streaming movies. It's been tried plenty of times before (Netflix, Vudu, Akimbo, Moviebeam, and more) with little success" http://techdirt.com/articles/20090304/1... | Mar 05 21:09 |
| Balrog | can't you have apache with the asp extensions? Or do such extensions not exist? | Mar 05 21:09 |
| tacone | Balrog: asp = ? | Mar 05 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | I dont know about that | Mar 05 21:10 |
| tacone | ah, that asp extension ? sure you can. they call it mono. | Mar 05 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 05 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : Cisco can't work with such an immature framework | Mar 05 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | mono is very young | Mar 05 21:11 |
| _Hicham_ | they can't rely on it | Mar 05 21:11 |
| tacone | i didn't read enough before answering :) | Mar 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The Stimulus Package Appears To Be Stimulating Scammers... < http://techdirt.com/articles... > | Mar 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | BRAVO Heise: German police close down cracker forum < http://www.heise.de/english/ne... > | Mar 05 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Note headline | Mar 05 21:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: mono is young, eh? | Mar 05 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Does it make it easier to deport? | Mar 05 21:14 |
| trmanco | w3m -dump_head http://www.vortal-info.biz/ | Mar 05 21:15 |
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| Balrog | heh | Mar 05 21:17 |
| ha ha | Mar 05 21:18 | |
| Excel can't do math, so what's it good for? | Mar 05 21:21 | |
| getting owned, what else? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Mar 05 21:22 | |
| Paytard in office, ""The State of Colorado's Office of Technology (OIT) has setup work skills website. The problem is that the site says "DO NOT use FIREFOX or other Browsers besides IE. It has been decided that Mozilla based, non-IE browsers pose a security risk." (Original emphasis from site.) If the leading IT agency for the State is making these uneducated claims, should the people worry about their other decisions?" | Mar 05 21:22 | |
| http://www.coworkforce.com/Skills/myskills.aspx | Mar 05 21:23 | |
| lord, that's stupid | Mar 05 21:23 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : mono isnt young? | Mar 05 21:24 |
| schestowitz | You said it is. | Mar 05 21:24 |
| Balrog | mono is rather so | Mar 05 21:24 |
| _Hicham_ | isn't it? | Mar 05 21:24 |
| Balrog | .NET has been around for a bit | Mar 05 21:25 |
| Balrog | but still not as long as Java | Mar 05 21:25 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : dont u agree? | Mar 05 21:25 |
| Balrog | also .NET isn't as cross platform as Java | Mar 05 21:25 |
| _Hicham_ | Java is very mature | Mar 05 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Mono is under 10 | Mar 05 21:25 |
| _Hicham_ | .NET isnt cross platform as all | Mar 05 21:25 |
| Balrog | I meant .NET+Mono | Mar 05 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And still failing, like Big Brother MS.NET | Mar 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | But Novell is trying to shills for Microsoft | Mar 05 21:26 |
| Balrog | though Mono has many missing features | Mar 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It spreads Mono in macs and Linux | Mar 05 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | In return, Microsoft gives it infusions. | Mar 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell is an extension of Microsoft | Mar 05 21:26 |
| _Hicham_ | they have tainted GTK with their work | Mar 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It's Microsoft battalion inside Linux | Mar 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | OT: Poll: Oracle admins have a poor update install record < http://www.heise.de/english/... > | Mar 05 21:26 |
| Priceless, the Colorado site barfed when I sent them a comment about how stupid they are. | Mar 05 21:27 | |
| Server Error in '/SKILLS' Application. | Mar 05 21:27 | |
| Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code. | Mar 05 21:27 | |
| Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. | Mar 05 21:27 | |
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| Gotta love that .NET stuff. | Mar 05 21:28 | |
| Balrog | twitter: that's VB.NET I assume.... | Mar 05 21:28 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : that sounds like great memory management feature :D | Mar 05 21:28 |
| made me laugh | Mar 05 21:28 | |
| Balrog | It's a known bug in .NET 1.x, I think | Mar 05 21:29 |
| Balrog | or it could be | Mar 05 21:29 |
| Balrog | that could mean many things | Mar 05 21:29 |
| It means IIS and .NET suck life | Mar 05 21:29 | |
| _Hicham_ | I dont understand why people do rely on it | Mar 05 21:29 |
| Balrog | sure they suck | Mar 05 21:29 |
| Balrog | because people think MS is good | Mar 05 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux administrator Wanted - Send Word Resume < http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=... > | Mar 05 21:29 |
| Balrog | someone said to me tjat MS makes stuff easier for developers | Mar 05 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | people use ASP because of Visual Studio I think | Mar 05 21:30 |
| It's amazing how some people can ignore evidence of massive suck. | Mar 05 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph... | Mar 05 21:30 |
| Balrog | also here they require information science and technology students to take a year of VB.NET | Mar 05 21:30 |
| schestowitz | That's a sin | Mar 05 21:31 |
| Balrog | sure it is | Mar 05 21:31 |
| Don't trust your lying eyes, listen to me, do as I say and all will be well, Gold Pawn^H^H^H^H partner | Mar 05 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | No academic body should sell kids to companies | Mar 05 21:31 |
| schestowitz | They should teach methods | Mar 05 21:31 |
| Balrog | that's one reason I'm doing computer science and not IST | Mar 05 21:31 |
| Balrog | They *say* they are teaching methods | Mar 05 21:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco has a similar issue | Mar 05 21:31 |
| schestowitz | His country got corrupted pretty badly by the Vole | Mar 05 21:31 |
| schestowitz | The president sure seems to be in bed with the bullies | Mar 05 21:32 |
| trmanco | Balrog, I wish it was just a damn year | Mar 05 21:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, not the president, the prime minister who finished university on a Sunday... | Mar 05 21:33 |
| balzac | I feel sorry for whoever made that website | Mar 05 21:33 |
| balzac | coworkforce | Mar 05 21:33 |
| balzac | that makes me sad | Mar 05 21:33 |
| trmanco | maybe who made the website is a fanboy | Mar 05 21:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ah, OK, thanks | Mar 05 21:34 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 05 21:35 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.2.1 release big on bug fixes < http://www.techworld.com.au/article/27905... > | Mar 05 21:35 |
| trmanco | that is true | Mar 05 21:35 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: got my PM? | Mar 05 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. We made FP of LinuxToday. I didn't notice until 6 hours later | Mar 05 21:38 |
| Balrog | where? | Mar 05 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. I forget to check | Mar 05 21:38 |
| Balrog | I see | Mar 05 21:39 |
| Balrog | now | Mar 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://mobilitysite.com/2009/0... | Mar 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Ewwww. NSFW[ork] | Mar 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Didn't they get the memos about Microsoft sinking and more jobs requiring Free software? | Mar 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Digg, Flickr, Yahoo, Google, Facebook,e tc. | Mar 05 21:40 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: hmm?? | Mar 05 21:40 |
| Balrog | what are you referring to? | Mar 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | COurses that are not safe for work | Mar 05 21:41 |
| Balrog | that's which ones? those two? | Mar 05 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft doesn't use .NET | Mar 05 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Vista ignores this. | Mar 05 21:41 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : M$ uses MFC | Mar 05 21:41 |
| Balrog | well I don't have to take any of those, and I won't | Mar 05 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: both | Mar 05 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | and they that is the best seller for MSVC | Mar 05 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | they even encourage open source projects to use it | Mar 05 21:42 |
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| Balrog | also professors are lazy | Mar 05 21:42 |
| _Hicham_ | but i always wonder : do we have to use closed source products in open source ones? | Mar 05 21:43 |
| Balrog | we set up eclipse for one on solaris and the prof. moved the students to MSVC on windows because (a) it took us an extra day to get eclipse working and (b) the prof. doesn't know eclipse | Mar 05 21:43 |
| trmanco | omfg -> http://news.slashdot.org/article.p... | Mar 05 21:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : is eclipse is hard | Mar 05 21:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : eclipse is hard indeed | Mar 05 21:44 |
| trmanco | IE is going to win this years fiasco awards for being such a safe browser | Mar 05 21:44 |
| Balrog | eclipse is hard to set up | Mar 05 21:44 |
| Balrog | not that hard to use | Mar 05 21:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : eclipse is a complete IDE, but lacks the speed of MSVC | Mar 05 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | it is Java's fault though | Mar 05 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat has made it native | Mar 05 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | but even with that, it is still terribly slow | Mar 05 21:45 |
| Balrog | hm. it works reasonably well for me | Mar 05 21:45 |
| Balrog | even on solaris | Mar 05 21:45 |
| _Hicham_ | but not on linux | Mar 05 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | on Linux, eclipse is such a pain | Mar 05 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | but again, it is java's fault | Mar 05 21:47 |
| Balrog | not in my experience | Mar 05 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | Sun are porting their efforts towards Java for Windows | Mar 05 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | and it obvious that Java runs faster on Windows than on Linux | Mar 05 21:47 |
| _Hicham_ | on Solaris, it might another thing | Mar 05 21:48 |
| Balrog | Sun writes Solaris | Mar 05 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | i havent used it on Solaris | Mar 05 21:48 |
| Balrog | tests indicate that Java runs fastest on Solaris | Mar 05 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | that what i was gonna say | Mar 05 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | for sure | Mar 05 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | they want to promote their platform first | Mar 05 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | silence again | Mar 05 21:50 |
| _Hicham_ | no one is in the room | Mar 05 21:50 |
| Balrog | I'm here | Mar 05 21:50 |
| Balrog | just a little busy | Mar 05 21:50 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Mar 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Colorado is just insulting itsef | Mar 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | It's treated with humour | Mar 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Goog publicity for Firefox too | Mar 05 21:50 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 05 21:50 |
| trmanco | oh yeah | Mar 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | *Good | Mar 05 21:50 |
| _Hicham_ | how do u see the firefox rebranding in debian and gnu? | Mar 05 21:51 |
| _Hicham_ | is it rational? | Mar 05 21:52 |
| _Hicham_ | does it need all that fuss? | Mar 05 21:52 |
| _Hicham_ | is it bad for a company to protect its brand? | Mar 05 21:52 |
| Balrog | that Colorado site is using "Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.1433; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.1433" | Mar 05 21:53 |
| It's kind of stupid for Mozilla to not have what Debian does, like ports to other architectures, 64 bit implementations, etc. | Mar 05 21:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | they should have used drupal | Mar 05 21:53 |
| _Hicham_ | they would have saved time and money | Mar 05 21:53 |
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| protecting yourself from Debian is like protecting yourself from a good doctor | Mar 05 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you can reverse the question: | Mar 05 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : Mozilla didn't approve some security patches | Mar 05 21:54 |
| schestowitz | why can't Mozilla be happy with rebranding? | Mar 05 21:54 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : that is how it began | Mar 05 21:54 |
| Whatever. I think they have worked things out well enough. | Mar 05 21:55 | |
| Balrog | what about all the security flaws in IE? | Mar 05 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I like the weasel icon | Mar 05 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what the point in rebranding the same code? | Mar 05 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And as long as stupid Webmasters don't sniff headers (which they mustn't), then all is wel | Mar 05 21:55 |
| Ask yourself what Mozilla really gets out of the deal. | Mar 05 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: why compile a kernel? Cause you can !! ;-) :-) | Mar 05 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : sniffing headers is essential | Mar 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Under what circumstances? | Mar 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Lack of standards compliance? | Mar 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Spying? | Mar 05 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowiz : we compile a kernel to learn, and fix things | Mar 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Fun displays of user-agent? | Mar 05 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : it is mainly because or IE | Mar 05 21:57 |
| to each his own _Hicham | Mar 05 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Debian fixed artwork ;-) | Mar 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: true, IE | Mar 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I.e. because of a corrupt company | Mar 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Whose E-mails show this was intended to break | Mar 05 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | I like the Debian Constitution | Mar 05 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | IE corrupted the web | Mar 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... | Mar 05 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | we still rely on javascript because of IE | Mar 05 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates: "In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this." | Mar 05 21:58 |
| schestowitz | There's s*loads more of this | Mar 05 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I'll need to properly post about these one day | Mar 05 21:58 |
| _Hicham_ | Do you know that uncle Billy have used Firefox? | Mar 05 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | and that the Security Chief in M$ uses Firefox? | Mar 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Mar 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | He said this in an interview | Mar 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | He tried it | Mar 05 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They use Google too | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It scared the pants out of SweatyB | Mar 05 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | because livesearch is such a crap | Mar 05 22:00 |
| Balrog | ms live search SUCKS | Mar 05 22:00 |
| Balrog | doesn't even find what you want | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They must gain there | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They'll try to strike a deal with Yahoo | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They don't know how | Mar 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And they have little money left | Mar 05 22:00 |
| Balrog | I don't think they will | Mar 05 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why they are bidding for Yahoo | Mar 05 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | they won't | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Since they corrupted WA, they can probably go through with a Yahoo! deal | Mar 05 22:01 |
| Balrog | the current Yahoo CEO isn't interested I think | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They already have cronies appointed under OBAMAA | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They also have hired 'lobbyists' (criminals) who are close to Democrats | Mar 05 22:01 |
| _Hicham_ | how is M$ doing with Obama? | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: the CFO was, sort of | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she's pretending | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Plays hard to get with SweatyB | Mar 05 22:01 |
| Balrog | be back later | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: OBAMMAA met gates | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They are in good touch | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No Change | Mar 05 22:02 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Just PR | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | BeastyB invested in OBAMAA | Mar 05 22:02 |
| _Hicham_ | so they are always in the whitehouse? | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | BeatyB's wife too | Mar 05 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Blench? | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall her name.. | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | And the two pharma investors also (Bill and Melinda French) | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | And Smith the patent bully | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | $50k eachj | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Maximum personal contribution | Mar 05 22:03 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Lunch with Michelle | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Let me find an E-mail for you | Mar 05 22:04 |
| schestowitz | (leaked) | Mar 05 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/0... | Mar 05 22:04 |