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| _Hicham_2 | consensus is always suspicious | Mar 23 00:00 |
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| _Hicham_2 | almost | Mar 23 00:00 |
| schestowitz | When unchallenged | Mar 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | But there are exceptions | Mar 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | When challenged too radically. | Mar 23 00:01 |
| _Hicham_2 | I know, but they are too rare | Mar 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | So as to serve as revisionism | Mar 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Indian genocide = Pocahontas | Mar 23 00:02 |
| _Hicham_2 | and Iraq genocide? | Mar 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, and Aladdin. | Mar 23 00:03 |
| _Hicham_2 | Muntadar Zaidi have sentenced for three years | Mar 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Recommended film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b... | Mar 23 00:03 |
| _Hicham_2 | while Bush is enjoying his life | Mar 23 00:03 |
| _Hicham_2 | the future of computing is scary | Mar 23 00:05 |
| _Hicham_2 | especially at hardware level | Mar 23 00:05 |
| _Hicham_2 | how can we know if there is spying utilities at hardware level? | Mar 23 00:05 |
| _Hicham_2 | the channel is really sleepy today | Mar 23 00:07 |
| _Hicham_2 | no one to talk to | Mar 23 00:08 |
| _Hicham_2 | Roy is still doing the housework | Mar 23 00:08 |
| _Hicham_2 | i am talking like a stranger in here | Mar 23 00:08 |
| schestowitz | No, no, I listen... | Mar 23 00:09 |
| schestowitz | But it's Sunday, soo. | Mar 23 00:09 |
| _Hicham_2 | are u still doing the housework? | Mar 23 00:10 |
| _Hicham_2 | who created this blog : http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ ? | Mar 23 00:11 |
| schestowitz | The MS Munchkins. Anti-Linux creatures... | Mar 23 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It's libelous. Don't feed it. | Mar 23 00:13 |
| _Hicham_2 | It is just fun to read | Mar 23 00:15 |
| _Hicham_2 | the way they present people | Mar 23 00:16 |
| schestowitz | By telling lies? | Mar 23 00:17 |
| _Hicham_2 | yes | Mar 23 00:18 |
| _Hicham_2 | it is funny though | Mar 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The thing is a parody, as far as I can recall | Mar 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | But they intend to injure, not to make a parody | Mar 23 00:18 |
| _Hicham_2 | even if I was there, I wouldn't be hurt | Mar 23 00:18 |
| _Hicham_2 | the writer have a great sense of humor | Mar 23 00:18 |
| _Hicham_2 | we can't deny it | Mar 23 00:18 |
| _Hicham_2 | don't get upset | Mar 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | No, no getting upset. I hardly know what's there. I saw it over a year ago | Mar 23 00:21 |
| _Hicham_2 | what is ur current job Roy? | Mar 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I left my job over a year ago | Mar 23 00:28 |
| _Hicham_2 | what was it? | Mar 23 00:30 |
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| _Hicham_2 | oiaohm, finally | Mar 23 00:32 |
| _Hicham_2 | where have u been pal? | Mar 23 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Asleep | Mar 23 00:32 |
| _Hicham_2 | u haven't worked today? | Mar 23 00:33 |
| _Hicham_2 | what time is it there? | Mar 23 00:33 |
| _Hicham_2 | I think it is just morning, no? | Mar 23 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Almost 11.00 AM | Mar 23 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes day to catch up on sleep and other things. | Mar 23 00:34 |
| _Hicham_2 | u must have slept late | Mar 23 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Did not go to bed until 3 am. | Mar 23 00:34 |
| oiaohm | So waking up now is about right. | Mar 23 00:34 |
| _Hicham_2 | true | Mar 23 00:36 |
| _Hicham_2 | u been working all night? | Mar 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone remember Viv player and format? | Mar 23 00:36 |
| Balrog___ | not me... | Mar 23 00:38 |
| *Balrog___ is now known as Balrog_ | Mar 23 00:38 | |
| oiaohm | Not working all night _Hicham_2 just until I found out why a server was being disrupted at 2 am. | Mar 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Viv was spreading around the time I was 15 | Mar 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Probably dead today | Mar 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | One of the first videos I had for it: http://www.youtube.com/wa... | Mar 23 00:41 |
| oiaohm | There goes my lazy day just got called in. | Mar 23 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Tupac scared him. | Mar 23 00:46 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 23 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Mail server is finally back (10 hours later). Messages to arrive late now... | Mar 23 02:08 |
| Viv. My mind was polluted by Viiv. http://www.intel.com/Consumer/Lear... | Mar 23 02:39 | |
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| oiaohm | Ok back as long as phone does not ring. | Mar 23 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Nothing is more annoying than driving into work to find that someone had just tripped over a network cable. | Mar 23 02:58 |
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| _Hicham_2 | oiaohm : was that paid at least? | Mar 23 03:11 |
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| oiaohm | Yep _Hicham_2 | Mar 23 03:25 |
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| oiaohm | but I was kinda paid either way _Hicham_2 | Mar 23 03:26 |
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| MethodOne | here's a line commonly found in a tornado warning that you might find funny: "Use blankets or pillows to cover your body and always stay away from Windows" | Mar 23 03:28 |
| MethodOne | the warning actually meant the windows on your house, but i decided to apply it to the crappy os | Mar 23 03:38 |
| oiaohm | So no taping of windows MethodOne | Mar 23 04:24 |
| MethodOne | ok | Mar 23 04:25 |
| MethodOne | i just found that quote funny | Mar 23 04:25 |
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| amarsh04 | thanks for the link Schestowitz, I have only been inside the main building of Adelaide Uni law school a few times many years ago, and haven't noticed anything from them one way or the other. I'm more familiar with the university's science/engineering/medical and music schools | Mar 23 05:44 |
| amarsh04 | must go to work | Mar 23 05:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 23 08:28 |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 23 09:04 |
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| mib_alkq4p | lol | Mar 23 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| mib_alkq4p | howdy partner... | Mar 23 09:11 |
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| mib_alkq4p | ssh root@boycottnovell.com | Mar 23 09:14 |
| mib_alkq4p | password: **************** | Mar 23 09:14 |
| mib_alkq4p | rm -rf / | Mar 23 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | ERROR: wrong password | Mar 23 09:18 |
| schestowitz | No SSH, either. ;-) | Mar 23 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Mar 23 09:44 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Mar 23 09:51 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Mar 23 09:51 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | Mar 23 09:51 | |
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| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: got any links for me coming? | Mar 23 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I posted some last night | Mar 23 10:05 |
| ZiggyFish | dam | Mar 23 10:06 |
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| oiaohm | One of my honey pots is fun root@it will let you in with any password. | Mar 23 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem you have only logged into a software mock up of a os. | Mar 23 11:29 |
| MinceR | in other words, it's a windows machine? :> | Mar 23 11:44 |
| oiaohm | No Linux machine | Mar 23 11:45 |
| oiaohm | With auto trace | Mar 23 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Its simply a trap letting person in is to buy time to trace. | Mar 23 11:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's a Linux machine posing as Windows | Mar 23 11:48 |
| MinceR | oh, so a software mockup of a software mockup of an os :> | Mar 23 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Its a fake bash. | Mar 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | With a fake etc and fake other directories. | Mar 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Really confusing thinking its etc directory is a mix of solarias Linux bsd and mac os x | Mar 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes combinations of stuff that could never ever work. | Mar 23 11:51 |
| oiaohm | I still found it funny that one guy wanted to know the OS he broken into. | Mar 23 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Because he could not make heads or tails of the fake. | Mar 23 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | It fragments the tree. | Mar 23 11:58 |
| schestowitz | / becomes -- quite arbitrarily c: | Mar 23 11:58 |
| schestowitz | And other partitions can be all sort of letters from the alphabet too | Mar 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Drives like c: dont' exist. | Mar 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | They are just links in windows. | Mar 23 11:59 |
| schestowitz | No, that's Microsoft's imitation of an OS | Mar 23 11:59 |
| oiaohm | / is not drive C | Mar 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Its a path to the raw device is C | Mar 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Some of the reason windows throws a hissy fit when you change a drive between master and slave. | Mar 23 12:00 |
| schestowitz | You can't swap these | Mar 23 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft must be the master and the users just slaves ;-) | Mar 23 12:07 |
| oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php... << Tomtom is prepairing for war. | Mar 23 12:08 |
| oiaohm | If I was MS now I would be wishing I had not attacked them. | Mar 23 12:08 |
| *schestowitz is annoyed right now. The German embassy has just said that the Manchester consulate can't renew the passport as act as mediator to reduce travel costs and hassle, so a visit to London is necessary. | Mar 23 12:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Web scams 101: 'Scareware' scams trick searchers < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/... > | Mar 23 12:36 |
| _Hicham_2 | I am trying to compile firefox | Mar 23 12:44 |
| _Hicham_2 | but there is a lot of dependencies | Mar 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | use gnucat | Mar 23 13:01 |
| oiaohm | What distribution are you using _Hicham_2 | Mar 23 13:01 |
| oiaohm | deb based you can tell it with the right command to install the build dependancies for an application. | Mar 23 13:02 |
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| _Hicham_2 | oiaohm : it is about hunspell | Mar 23 13:08 |
| _Hicham_2 | the build goes fine until it encounters hunspell | Mar 23 13:09 |
| _Hicham_2 | I want to use the system hunspell | Mar 23 13:09 |
| _Hicham_2 | not the built-in one | Mar 23 13:09 |
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| MinceR | (offtopic) http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KnYb81eQShI/... | Mar 23 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_2: I am organising the Wiki. Do you want to assist me? | Mar 23 14:25 |
| _Hicham_2 | Roy : I have never worked on a wiki before | Mar 23 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I added a link to your site | Mar 23 14:51 |
| *schestowitz tries to find plugins that extract a list of related posts automatically but can't find any < http://wordpress.org/extend/pl... > | Mar 23 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | One of our valuable plguins was not compatible with the latest version (post-upgrade) | Mar 23 14:56 |
| schestowitz | 10 best wordpress extensions : http://www.moon-blog.com/2008/04/to... | Mar 23 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nice theme: http://www.kremalicious.com/2008/12/h... | Mar 23 15:32 |
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| Omar87 | Hello everyone. | Mar 23 15:48 |
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| Omar87 | So, can we say now that M$ is no longer a major threat to Linux? | Mar 23 15:49 |
| mib_rcvfct | There was a famous quote about how M$ can't even copy well... | Mar 23 15:49 |
| mib_rcvfct | who said it, when and where? | Mar 23 15:50 |
| mib_rcvfct | May have been something in the early Windoze | Mar 23 15:50 |
| MinceR | no we can't | Mar 23 15:50 |
| MinceR | the war is not over | Mar 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | mib_rcvfct: can't recall it | Mar 23 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Was it from Apple people? | Mar 23 15:59 |
| MinceR | likely | Mar 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | apple people keep crying that everyone's copying them while they keep copying everybody else | Mar 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | (and forgetting that they started by copying xerox :> ) | Mar 23 16:10 |
| balzac | If anyone really wants to copy Apple, it would ne no easy task. Their innovation is based on Steve Jobs. | Mar 23 16:12 |
| MinceR | so they'd have to clone steve jobs? | Mar 23 16:12 |
| *MinceR hopes that won't happen | Mar 23 16:12 | |
| MinceR | one steve jobs is too many | Mar 23 16:12 |
| MinceR | i think apple can be copied without that -- look at gnome | Mar 23 16:13 |
| balzac | Steve Jobs best innovation is to aggregate a cult of personality which enables him to be the consumate CEO/micro-manager who can wring more quality work from his employees than anyone else. | Mar 23 16:13 |
| MinceR | quality work? where? | Mar 23 16:13 |
| balzac | their hardware is the best | Mar 23 16:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 23 16:13 |
| MinceR | please tell me more jokes like that one | Mar 23 16:14 |
| balzac | not the commodity parts - the computer components | Mar 23 16:14 |
| balzac | the chassis for the notebooks, the capsules containing the ipod | Mar 23 16:14 |
| MinceR | yes, those are great ( http://appledefects.com/ ) | Mar 23 16:15 |
| balzac | nobody makes nicer plastic, metal and glass shells for personal electronics | Mar 23 16:15 |
| MinceR | oh, you mean the plastic shells | Mar 23 16:15 |
| MinceR | i don't see what's so nice about toilet-seat white plastic | Mar 23 16:15 |
| balzac | well, the keyboard chassis for the new macbook, machined out of a solid block of aluminum? | Mar 23 16:15 |
| MinceR | maybe the RDF makes people see that as the pinnacle of design | Mar 23 16:15 |
| MinceR | the one that makes it impossible to swap batteries? great idea | Mar 23 16:16 |
| balzac | the macbook air which is thin enough to slice bread or cut your hand | Mar 23 16:16 |
| balzac | MinceR: I agree | Mar 23 16:16 |
| MinceR | so we have some gimmicks | Mar 23 16:16 |
| balzac | that's why I don't own an ipod | Mar 23 16:16 |
| MinceR | nothing that looks good or is useful | Mar 23 16:16 |
| mib_rcvfct | so no one recalls if it was a court case | Mar 23 16:19 |
| Omar87 | Hi ppl. | Mar 23 16:20 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 23 16:22 |
| mib_rcvfct | tried many word combinations and got | Mar 23 16:23 |
| mib_rcvfct | http://arstechnica.com/apple/new... | Mar 23 16:23 |
| mib_rcvfct | not that drm is acceptable, but otherwise the quote has merit | Mar 23 16:23 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Typo detected: "It turns out <the the> opposition leader in India is promising $200 ‘Microsoft-free’ laptops if he gets elected to become prime minister." | Mar 23 16:25 |
| MinceR | i don't know if apple copied from m$ and if they did, how much | Mar 23 16:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Another typo detected: "For the latter, how many times a day <to we> see in the press that it’s the user’s fault that the software does not perform as advertised.”" | Mar 23 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I have 4 more anti-Linux items from Microsoft. Here is the first: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... | Mar 23 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: thanks, fixed! | Mar 23 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Here is MS going frantic over Linux in CDN: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... *ping trmanco | Mar 23 16:45 |
| MinceR | apparently they've lost that battle -- even they are relying on Akamai, which runs Linux | Mar 23 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly. I will do posts about that soon. | Mar 23 16:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I liked that picture withe | Mar 23 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus" < http://www.reuters.com/article/n... >. Biden and Obama already attack anything that's not Client State to them. | Mar 23 17:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I really like that picture with the pair of scissors cutting the paper with the word "crap"! :D | Mar 23 17:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So hilarious..! :) | Mar 23 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I hope Chavez continues to call out on the US bluff. They still try to get rid of him because the people of Venezuela voted 'the wrong way' | Mar 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | They need to vote for the puppet of Obama or else the CIA will train some rebels for a military coup | Mar 23 17:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: "voted the wrong way"? | Mar 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Not the way the US wanted | Mar 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I hope Obama can change the state of foreign affair, but it's impossible | Mar 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | he's surrounded by more powerful people, so there's no leeway. He mostly gives speeches. It's like the Queen of England. | Mar 23 17:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: However, Chavez is the most beloved governor, especially poor people. | Mar 23 17:14 |
| it would be nice if the powerful people were in congress and senate instead of the CIA, FBI, DHS and other nasty places. | Mar 23 17:17 | |
| you have to be careful of that autocrat stuff | Mar 23 17:17 | |
| GWB's greatest offenses came from running over his constitutional authority and committing crimes | Mar 23 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: he's one of the most popular leaders in South America if not the /most/. | Mar 23 17:18 |
| yes, that's true | Mar 23 17:18 | |
| or so what I've read says it's true | Mar 23 17:18 | |
| balzac | Roy, I don't think the CIA is quite as bad as it used to be. | Mar 23 17:19 |
| balzac | I think Leon Panetta is a relatively benevolent bureaucrat | Mar 23 17:19 |
| you will never know, balzac, and that's the problem | Mar 23 17:19 | |
| secrecy is bad news | Mar 23 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | balzac: I took your advice | Mar 23 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I added comment-mods | Mar 23 17:19 |
| balzac | cool beans | Mar 23 17:19 |
| that should be fun | Mar 23 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | I also made nested comments possible | Mar 23 17:20 |
| you also have article modding | Mar 23 17:20 | |
| cool stuff | Mar 23 17:20 | |
| balzac | awesome | Mar 23 17:20 |
| but I'm afraid the trolls will be quick to abuse it and I'm not sure what it will really add to the site | Mar 23 17:20 | |
| balzac | so users have accounts now? | Mar 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter: it's part of the same package | Mar 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, no trolling so far. | Mar 23 17:20 |
| balzac | That's great if the trolls come and try to abuse it. Let them waste their time and make fools of themselves. | Mar 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | I can disable ratings on any article/thread | Mar 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | There's huge amount of control over this thing (at the admin side) | Mar 23 17:21 |
| balzac | and give some opposition presence for Roy's "managed dialectic" | Mar 23 17:21 |
| balzac | Roy, you've got to value you trolls and critics. They bring the heat of controversy and personal antagonism which is a draw to any community website. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| the "opposition" has plenty of representation. They spend billions of dollars on advertising and own newspapers and broadcast networks. | Mar 23 17:22 | |
| there is no value to personal insults, other than being able to point at the bankruptcy of those throwing it around. | Mar 23 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | Why Covering AIG Is So Hard < http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2... > | Mar 23 17:23 |
| because they are liars? | Mar 23 17:23 | |
| balzac | Roy, one thing is important though in user-moderated comments - users need to be able to see who modded them up or down. | Mar 23 17:24 |
| schestowitz | That's not possible | Mar 23 17:24 |
| schestowitz | They needn't register | Mar 23 17:24 |
| Like I said. I'm not sure what moderation will bring to the site. | Mar 23 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | Me neither. It was balzac's suggestion | Mar 23 17:25 |
| balzac | that makes it more personal, so people can squabble about why their comment has been down-rated, or they can call out cliques for loyalty to each other rather than responding to the content. | Mar 23 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer called Google a one-trick pony, IIRC... A Look Back At The Worries That Google Would Never Make Money < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... >. Google market cap about 75% of MSFT's now | Mar 23 17:25 |
| balzac | That's one good thing about Slashdot's "anonymous coward" feature | Mar 23 17:26 |
| balzac | you should allow commentary from non-members as well as members | Mar 23 17:26 |
| sounds like a waste of time at BN. | Mar 23 17:26 | |
| just another way for M$ and trolls to abuse Roy. | Mar 23 17:26 | |
| balzac | I hope the Drigg module can be updated and re-factored for Drupal 6 because that's the only option I see to make the best possible user-moderated forum. | Mar 23 17:27 |
| They are free as things are to put in technical comments and links to factual information but they chose to nitpick and libel. | Mar 23 17:27 | |
| balzac | But Tony Mobily got burned out on Drupal development. He is the maintainer of Drigg. | Mar 23 17:28 |
| balzac | I really wish I had some money to subsidize his project to be refactored and updated for Drupal 6. | Mar 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Digg slid pretty badly. Netcraft shows them down at 470th | Mar 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw used to be 7xxth | Mar 23 17:28 |
| balzac | Digg isn't the best user-moderated forum implementation | Mar 23 17:28 |
| balzac | you can't see who mods you up or down | Mar 23 17:28 |
| balzac | but the importance of Digg is in the presentation of content and the up-or-down voting. | Mar 23 17:29 |
| balzac | Drigg has that and offers much more possibilities. | Mar 23 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Digg was great when it was small | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | 2006 | Mar 23 17:30 |
| balzac | Digg has ajax-implemented up or down voting for stories and comments, but they lack the list of who voted up or down, so it's inferior to the proprietary version of Scoop which DailyKos is based on. | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I really enjoyed it and commented a lot | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | balzac: : I can do Ajax commenting and stuff in BN also | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | But it required JS | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Many people in BN use NoScript | Mar 23 17:30 |
| schestowitz | JS-based features are for n00b sites | Mar 23 17:31 |
| balzac | Roy, it's a big job to build the perfect user-moderated-forum. I have the functional requirements listed, and Drigg is the closest project to implementing it properly which is available. | Mar 23 17:31 |
| give up balzac. the trolls use botnets and multi account to hell and back. they completely overwhelm legitimate voting systems | Mar 23 17:32 | |
| balzac | Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos is a source-code hoarder, so his project can be considered proprietary. His behavior is what makes the AGPL license necessary. | Mar 23 17:32 |
| if you want to get anything out of Slashdot these days, use the firehose with specific search terms and "black" filtering. Comments are completely useless | Mar 23 17:33 | |
| balzac | twitter: they can use as many automated features as they like, but that takes effort and you can always tweak the "API" to give them many hours of work to recover their influence. | Mar 23 17:34 |
| balzac | or if you spot their patterns of use, ban all their accounts and IP addresses. | Mar 23 17:34 |
| you can't ban a botnet | Mar 23 17:34 | |
| no one has time to catch the patterns | Mar 23 17:34 | |
| schestowitz | balzac: Moulitsas said in his interview that he employed devs | Mar 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He claims he brought back the changes to the community | Mar 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | But he was no big fan of FOSS in that 1-2-hour interview | Mar 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He spoke a lot about features of community management | Mar 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Like the one he used to ban you many times | Mar 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | balzac: http://boycottnovell.com/index.ph... | Mar 23 17:36 |
| balzac | Roy, moulitsas hired up the devs, hoarded the source code, and what they contributed back to Scoop was so insignificant, the project can be considered irrelevant. | Mar 23 17:36 |
| balzac | unless moulitsas reveals the whole code-base used for DailyKos in all of it's hacked-together "glory", Scoop is not relevant to me. | Mar 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Well, when OBAMAA releases ACTAA maybe.. | Mar 23 17:38 |
| balzac | Roy, you've showed me that link before, but I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing. Would I need to be logged in? | Mar 23 17:38 |
| wow, 174 year old newspaper folds. It's good they are going electronic but sad they fire employees. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Ann-A... | Mar 23 17:38 | |
| ACTA, rising tyranny. | Mar 23 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | balzac: just previous mentions and the interview parts. | Mar 23 17:38 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, the Web ends scrarcity | Mar 23 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Press = scarcity | Mar 23 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Production+material+distribution+more | Mar 23 17:39 |
| schestowitz | have you watches RMS's talk on copyrights? | Mar 23 17:39 |
| balzac | Roy, what do you find noteworthy among those? | Mar 23 17:40 |
| which talk? | Mar 23 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | There won't be paper soon (not just newspapers)... just very little in less developed areas of life and the world. | Mar 23 17:40 |
| schestowitz | balzac: watch the interview | Mar 23 17:40 |
| schestowitz | My friend met him for it | Mar 23 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Christian Einfeldt | Mar 23 17:40 |
| balzac | ok | Mar 23 17:40 |
| schestowitz | twitter: let me find it | Mar 23 17:40 |
| The effect is self reinforcing. As newspapers fail, newsprint makers have been shutting down. That will raise the price of newsprint eventually and fail more of the papers. | Mar 23 17:41 | |
| balzac | Roy, there's a video interview? | Mar 23 17:41 |
| schestowitz | twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG... | Mar 23 17:41 |
| balzac | can I have a direct link? I still wonder if I'm seeing something different from you. | Mar 23 17:42 |
| schestowitz | twitter: good point. never thought about it | Mar 23 17:42 |
| http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&... | Mar 23 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | It's also true that 'pressers' die too. Thus scarcity in production (higher costs) | Mar 23 17:42 |
| saw some stories about it on finance.google the other day. | Mar 23 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, saw it on Friday | Mar 23 17:42 |
| the above link pulls up more of the same | Mar 23 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | re: newsprint | Mar 23 17:43 |
| the part about increased costs, is mine I suppose. | Mar 23 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | If Google can monetise YouTube, then TV's days are numbered too | Mar 23 17:43 |
| surely | Mar 23 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | The other sites are not as widely known, e.g. Internet Archive | Mar 23 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Internet Archive is scalaing up now | Mar 23 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Too much demand I suppose. They are supporters of ogg | Mar 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | But they move from Linux to Solaris now (with ZFS) | Mar 23 17:44 |
| balzac | I clicked each of the search results and searched each page for einfeldt | Mar 23 17:44 |
| when the broadcasters and publishers finally die, we will get open spectrum and real freedom | Mar 23 17:44 | |
| telco will die too | Mar 23 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: that won't happen | Mar 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Not quickly | Mar 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch Australia | Mar 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | They fight back to "control the minds of men" | Mar 23 17:44 |
| balzac | Roy, is it because I'm lacking an Ogg plugin for FF? | Mar 23 17:45 |
| men will demand their freedom, just as press owners once did | Mar 23 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | If we killed all "pedophiles" and "terrorists", they'll find a new excuse | Mar 23 17:45 |
| balzac | is there video embed code in that search results page on moulitsas? | Mar 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Or label people from Iceland "terrorists", I dunno.. | Mar 23 17:45 |
| balzac | !!! | Mar 23 17:45 |
| shrill cries from dying empires | Mar 23 17:45 | |
| balzac | I want to see this video interview | Mar 23 17:46 |
| balzac | I'll just google it | Mar 23 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: no, there is Flash maybe in Internet Archive | Mar 23 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Mar 23 17:46 |
| time for lunch, bbl | Mar 23 17:46 | |
| balzac | I've googled it and it may be available on archive.org | Mar 23 17:46 |
| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query... | Mar 23 17:46 |
| schestowitz | He seems like a nice person. Maybe he's just being too 'diplomatic' (cocky) by refusing to support sentencing of Bush | Mar 23 17:47 |
| schestowitz | That would have him characterized as "radical" or something. | Mar 23 17:47 |
| balzac | I'm watching one, I think it's the first | Mar 23 17:48 |
| balzac | thanks Roy | Mar 23 17:49 |
| balzac | I'm going to have to pull rank on Markos in the software sector. | Mar 23 17:50 |
| balzac | he's a dabbler and a poseur. | Mar 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Have you seen him interviewed before? | Mar 23 17:50 |
| balzac | yeah | Mar 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Poser -- yeah | Mar 23 17:50 |
| balzac | he was given a job by newsweek | Mar 23 17:50 |
| balzac | he applied for a job at the CIA | Mar 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Newsweek sucks | Mar 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Readership feel by half IIRC | Mar 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Days are numbered, if you know what I mean.... | Mar 23 17:51 |
| balzac | as far as I know, he is a CIA stooge and I said so, leading to my second banning, under my own name that time, I think. | Mar 23 17:51 |
| schestowitz | NewsWEAK | Mar 23 17:51 |
| balzac | It was on the night of the midterm victory of the Republicrats in 2006 | Mar 23 17:51 |
| schestowitz | "You are the weakest link, Goodbye." | Mar 23 17:52 |
| balzac | everyone was festive and celebratory, but i called Markos a CIA stooge. | Mar 23 17:52 |
| balzac | I also troll-rated Markos for talking s___ about Kucinich | Mar 23 17:52 |
| balzac | At least he's been good enough not to delete my best blogging on his site. | Mar 23 17:53 |
| balzac | I'm sure he'd love to forget a lot of it. | Mar 23 17:53 |
| schestowitz | NewsWEAK also hired a man who boosted SCO's anti-Linux and used the identity of a famous man (Steve Jobs) to attract readers | Mar 23 17:54 |
| balzac | NewsWeasels | Mar 23 17:54 |
| balzac | NewsWeak is better | Mar 23 17:54 |
| balzac | weasels can actually ferret out some facts, but Newsweak just disseminates propaganda, mostly. | Mar 23 17:55 |
| balzac | Anal Marie Cox writes for them | Mar 23 17:55 |
| balzac | that helps their "swampland" blog a bit | Mar 23 17:55 |
| *zer0c00l has quit (Excess Flood) | Mar 23 17:55 | |
| balzac | sorry, Anna Marie Cox | Mar 23 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Same thing | Mar 23 17:56 |
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| balzac | formerly known as Blogette, Wankette, or Wonkette, iirc | Mar 23 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Unless it was a Freudian slip | Mar 23 17:56 |
| balzac | Actually, she blogged about back-door sex, but that's probably not a good topic | Mar 23 17:57 |
| balzac | she's the one who brought it up. no judgement from me. she's probably the best blogger on newsweak | Mar 23 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Finally a victory for us little 'people': http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/482... | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | What does best mena? | Mar 23 17:58 |
| balzac | I saw her interviewed on Olbermann recently. She's pretty foxy for a blog-nerd. | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | It's meaningless | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Most read? | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Most insightful? | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Most factually correct? | Mar 23 17:58 |
| balzac | no, it was Rachel Maddow | Mar 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Many people can get lots of comment just by flaming | Mar 23 17:59 |
| schestowitz | or talking trash.. or sex | Mar 23 17:59 |
| balzac | </offtopic> | Mar 23 17:59 |
| schestowitz | That doesn't mean them "best" | Mar 23 17:59 |
| schestowitz | *make | Mar 23 17:59 |
| balzac | well, look who she's blogging with - Joe Klein, aka Joke-Line | Mar 23 17:59 |
| balzac | though he's not nearly the worst Newsweak has to offer | Mar 23 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Cybercrime server exposed through Google cache < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/2... > | Mar 23 18:06 |
| schestowitz | How will a site like this survive? | Mar 23 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Linux.com is over | Mar 23 18:07 |
| schestowitz | JupiterMedia lost its founder IIRC | Mar 23 18:07 |
| schestowitz | CMP -- who knows? | Mar 23 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They are all on tick-tock-tick-tock | Mar 23 18:08 |
| *schestowitz on phone | Mar 23 18:09 | |
| *zer0c00l has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Mar 23 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | Here we go... the pyramid comes loose....... E-mail Evidence in Madoff Case Includes Another Scam < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161748/email... > | Mar 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | "U.S. attorneys prosecuting fraudster Bernard Madoff submitted letters from victims of his Ponzi scheme to the presiding judge on March 9 in the form of e-mail messages, but they appear to have mistakenly included evidence of a scam of a different sort in the filing." | Mar 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | "My name is (redacted), but my origin is from Republic of Congo. I have an inherited fund I want to invest in business in your country with a help of a local. ...If you can assist, I am willing to give you 10 percent of the funds that is US$3.5 million," reads the apparent scam letter contained on page 36 of the 96-page filing. A copy of the filing was posted online by MSNBC. | Mar 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a typical E-mail scam. I thought it was a joke. | Mar 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It probably is :-) | Mar 23 18:15 |
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| disappointed by the "copyright vrs community" on youtube | Mar 23 18:24 | |
| it's only half the talk | Mar 23 18:24 | |
| 1/8 | Mar 23 18:25 | |
| *amd-linux (i=5c4a67ce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-56940fe42dedbf0b) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 23 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, amd-linux | Mar 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: watch the one he gave in Sweden | Mar 23 18:32 |
| amd-linux | hi there | Mar 23 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Forget about Android/Linux phones from Dell : Smartphone Canceled for Lack of Interest < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161755... > | Mar 23 18:33 |
| amd-linux | ahm, not that I mind but u are currently running MSN-Live ads here in Germany :-) | Mar 23 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Aghh...:-| | Mar 23 18:33 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Mar 23 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Shane controls the list of banned domains | Mar 23 18:33 |
| schestowitz | msn.de? | Mar 23 18:33 |
| amd-linux | wait | Mar 23 18:34 |
| got this one, starting here http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Mar 23 18:34 | |
| amd-linux | its blocked all MS sites are blacked out here | Mar 23 18:34 |
| amd-linux | http://embed.mibbit.com/up/zJ... | Mar 23 18:35 |
| amd-linux | uploaded screenshot | Mar 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | OIN mailed me re TmTom | Mar 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | TomTom is joining OIN | Mar 23 18:36 |
| here is a shell script for repetitive commands with many arguments. | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| command=$1 | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| shift | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| while [ -n "$*" ] | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| do | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| $command $1 | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| amd-linux | BTW new Ubuntu absolutely rocks.... Linux since 0.99, but Jaunty really is the best I have seen so far - close to perfect | Mar 23 18:36 |
| shift | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| done | Mar 23 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | Let me blog it quickly | Mar 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: mandriva is great for me and PCLOS would be the same | Mar 23 18:37 |
| amd-linux | guess we wil see a nice legal showdown the next months... | Mar 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "Today, TomTom joined as a licensee of Open Invention Network (OIN), an intellectual property company formed to promote and protect the Linux community. " | Mar 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "As a licensee, TomTom will actively contribute to this innovative, open source network, and support the extensive technical community. This signing highlights a significant addition to the network as well as OIN’s dedication to building and strengthening its collaborative Linux ecosystem. " | Mar 23 18:37 |
| for instance | Mar 23 18:37 | |
| multi_command clive "address_1" "address_2" "address_n" | Mar 23 18:37 | |
| gets all of a series of youtube links. | Mar 23 18:37 | |
| amd-linux | Mandriva seems to have made great progress too, right. Looks very nice, they are the king of KDE | Mar 23 18:38 |
| _Hicham_2 | fucking docx | Mar 23 18:38 |
| _Hicham_2 | fucking format | Mar 23 18:38 |
| I was disappointed by 1984 the other day, it hooked up 2 different versions instead of the nice one it started with. | Mar 23 18:38 | |
| OIN, lets see if they have bite. | Mar 23 18:39 | |
| docx, demand another format | Mar 23 18:39 | |
| amd-linux, yes I get M$ ads on Boycott Novell too. | Mar 23 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | MSFT wanted wat | Mar 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | *war | Mar 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It got it | Mar 23 18:40 |
