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| Love | No idea. | Apr 02 01:58 |
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| Love | Just a bunch of meanies. | Apr 02 01:58 |
| Balrog_ | I know someone like that | Apr 02 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | u r blog is not spam protected? | Apr 02 01:58 |
| Balrog_ | hates Linux, hates even Apple | Apr 02 01:58 |
| Love | No, it's just a livejournal. | Apr 02 01:58 |
| Balrog_ | frequents rixstep.com | Apr 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: there are other women here | Apr 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | It just doesn't show up in nicknames | Apr 02 01:58 |
| Balrog_ | yeah. | Apr 02 01:59 |
| Love | Well, it'd probably be prude for us all to show ourselves and shout "Hey, we're women!" | Apr 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Love: [H]omer is the developer of BLAG | Apr 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | He's also co-op | Apr 02 01:59 |
| Love | Really? | Apr 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes.. | Apr 02 01:59 |
| Love | Hm. | Apr 02 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | well, it is just new to me | Apr 02 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't know that there is women in this room | Apr 02 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | that is all | Apr 02 02:00 |
| Love | Well, now you know. | Apr 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | My sister is a programmer | Apr 02 02:01 |
| Love | I'm learning Haskell for a hobby. | Apr 02 02:01 |
| Love | I like the structure of it. | Apr 02 02:01 |
| schestowitz | They have a very active channel | Apr 02 02:01 |
| schestowitz | That's how I know them | Apr 02 02:01 |
| Love | Well, I have to get off for a bit, I've got some business to attend to, and my boyfriend is setting up his HURD box. | Apr 02 02:02 |
| mattparry | so has de Icaza said anything on the tomtom case? | Apr 02 02:02 |
| Love | Bye everyone, nice meeting you all | Apr 02 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | mattparry: none that I've seen | Apr 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz | "Love" sounded like a faker, but I could be wrong | Apr 02 02:03 |
| mattparry | do you think that tomtom has worried him or made him view ms any different?? | Apr 02 02:04 |
| mattparry | love - boyfriend setting up a HURD box - thats just strange? | Apr 02 02:04 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is wondering | Apr 02 02:05 |
| schestowitz | mattparry: yes, benefit of the doubt though | Apr 02 02:05 |
| schestowitz | mattparry: mail miguel about tomtom :-) | Apr 02 02:05 |
| schestowitz | That would be cruel. | Apr 02 02:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz need clues about Love | Apr 02 02:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz needs to meet Miguel | Apr 02 02:05 |
| schestowitz | I was on a podcast with him | Apr 02 02:05 |
| schestowitz | After he attended MS' conference | Apr 02 02:06 |
| Balrog_ | de Icaza? | Apr 02 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Promoting their junk | Apr 02 02:06 |
| Balrog_ | what did he say? | Apr 02 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 02 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | where is this podcast? | Apr 02 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Nothing of use | Apr 02 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | just praising MS technology? | Apr 02 02:06 |
| mattparry | did you used to work for novell? | Apr 02 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | .NET is our savior Roy | Apr 02 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | don't worry pal, everything will be alright | Apr 02 02:07 |
| _Hicham_ | we will fuck with MS | Apr 02 02:07 |
| _Hicham_ | our end is near | Apr 02 02:07 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what he said | Apr 02 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | Beat Microsogt with .NET, eh? | Apr 02 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Like some idiots who think they can win the world cup in Brazil. | Apr 02 02:08 |
| yuhong | BTW, on IBM, what do you think about the conflict of interest that pervade IBM? | Apr 02 02:08 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why can't we use the world cup in Brazil? | Apr 02 02:08 |
| _Hicham_ | use/win | Apr 02 02:08 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is not a soccer fan | Apr 02 02:09 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz doesn't support english soccer team | Apr 02 02:09 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is wanted by the queen | Apr 02 02:10 |
| yuhong | BTW, on IBM, what do you think about the conflict of interest that pervade IBM? | Apr 02 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Scotland Yard still looking for schestowitz | Apr 02 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is very silent and prepare a new "coup d'état" | Apr 02 02:10 |
| mattparry | I think IBM is a big company with internal conflicts between departments | Apr 02 02:10 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know. | Apr 02 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : are u going well in organizing the posts in a wiki? | Apr 02 02:11 |
| mattparry | free software is viral, so what has been done cannot be undone | Apr 02 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : when will the wiki be ready? | Apr 02 02:11 |
| yuhong | For example, IBM supports ODF but also support the MS-Novell deal. | Apr 02 02:12 |
| mattparry | what are your thoughts yuhong about IBM? | Apr 02 02:12 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is too busy | Apr 02 02:12 |
| yuhong | It has a lot of conflict of interest. | Apr 02 02:12 |
| yuhong | I wonder how well it deals with them. | Apr 02 02:12 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is having an affair with an old woman | Apr 02 02:13 |
| mattparry | I think it deals with it like any big business - in its own interests first | Apr 02 02:13 |
| mattparry | that is the problem with working for shareholders | Apr 02 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is suing MS in court to get some money | Apr 02 02:14 |
| yuhong | I know. | Apr 02 02:14 |
| mattparry | it is the worst master to be working for | Apr 02 02:14 |
| yuhong | For example, IBM supports ODF but also support the MS-Novell deal. | Apr 02 02:14 |
| Balrog_ | gn | Apr 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: in Brazil, Brazil will reign | Apr 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | .NET is MS turf | Apr 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | You can't beat Microsoft at Microsoft's game | Apr 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | We have better tolls | Apr 02 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Brazil is not better than Britain | Apr 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Java, Python, Akamai, Apache... | Apr 02 02:15 |
| _Hicham_ | u have a great soccer team | Apr 02 02:15 |
| mattparry | do you think? look at the pro windows trolls on computerworld | Apr 02 02:15 |
| mattparry | almost all journists are pro windows | Apr 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I multitask, so I come and go | Apr 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Haven't edited the Wiki in over a week, BTW | Apr 02 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz needs a new CPU in his head | Apr 02 02:16 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is changing the kernel in his brain to support 10000 CPUs | Apr 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | mattparry: bias by selection | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | They are not interested in people who don't reinforce the doctrine of Wintel | Apr 02 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz swaps information from his head to the computer and vice versa | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | They have that new dude who's trolling Linux | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Ramel is his name IIRC | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Still trolling | Apr 02 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't like trolls | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | They take people off the street it would seem | Apr 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Provided they can type and use Windows | Apr 02 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | trolls are just morons | Apr 02 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Inability to install not a must but an advantage | Apr 02 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | we don't need morons in this room | Apr 02 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | we need clean people | Apr 02 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | people who can stand for their principles | Apr 02 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is to be the next PM of the UK | Apr 02 02:19 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is preparing for a new political assignment in the gov | Apr 02 02:19 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is having a huge fortune in switzerland | Apr 02 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is planning to make a trip to the moon | Apr 02 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is still molesting childs in the UK | Apr 02 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is monitored by the CIA, NSA, FBI and Scotland Yard, all at once | Apr 02 02:21 |
| _Hicham_ | be carefull of schestowitz room, it is monitored as well | Apr 02 02:21 |
| _Hicham_ | everything that is said in this room may be counted against u | Apr 02 02:21 |
| _Hicham_ | u have the right to stay silent, hire a lawyer, and pray that they don't give u 10 years in Guantanamo | Apr 02 02:22 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : r u protecting well the website? | Apr 02 02:23 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: what are you doing? | Apr 02 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Protect how? It's patched. | Apr 02 02:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I am just playing around | Apr 02 02:23 |
| _Hicham_ | do u run it on ur own webserver? | Apr 02 02:23 |
| schestowitz | No, it runs in NYC | Apr 02 02:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I should do a security scan when I have time to | Apr 02 02:24 |
| _Hicham_ | to help u find any exploits | Apr 02 02:24 |
| _Hicham_ | are u sure there is no injection exploits? | Apr 02 02:24 |
| _Hicham_ | injections are becoming frequent these days | Apr 02 02:25 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : here is an idea | Apr 02 02:26 |
| _Hicham_ | first type of categories, u gonna put the crimes by corporation | Apr 02 02:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Ie Intel Crimes, MS Crimes, Novell Crimes, and so on | Apr 02 02:27 |
| _Hicham_ | this is the first categorization | Apr 02 02:27 |
| _Hicham_ | then, there is the option of chronological events | Apr 02 02:27 |
| _Hicham_ | this the second categorization | Apr 02 02:28 |
| _Hicham_ | the third, would be by technology | Apr 02 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it's a lot of work | Apr 02 02:28 |
| schestowitz | And always in need of updates | Apr 02 02:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I see | Apr 02 02:29 |
| _Hicham_ | there should be a module for that | Apr 02 02:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know too much about wordpress | Apr 02 02:29 |
| _Hicham_ | but when posting a new article, u should be able to poste in many categories | Apr 02 02:30 |
| _Hicham_ | like put in all at once at : "MS Crimes", "OOXML", "Office" | Apr 02 02:30 |
| _Hicham_ | because the website at its current state is a mess | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | excuse me for saying that | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is the truth | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking to u sincerely | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | the content is excellent | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | but there is no organization at all | Apr 02 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | a new comer will get lost easily | Apr 02 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | sadly, there is no one to talk to tonight | Apr 02 02:33 |
| _Hicham_ | I am the only one to talk in here | Apr 02 02:33 |
| _Hicham_ | I am like a fool in an empty room | Apr 02 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know,. | Apr 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | About organisation | Apr 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | The site can be used with search | Apr 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | But I need to organise it better | Apr 02 02:37 |
| _Hicham_ | organization is the key | Apr 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | There's earch | Apr 02 02:44 |
| schestowitz | search | Apr 02 02:44 |
| schestowitz | It's the best route to finding stuff | Apr 02 02:44 |
| schestowitz | In fact, it rendeers indexed next to obsolete | Apr 02 02:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | search is the users know what he is searching for | Apr 02 02:53 |
| _Hicham_ | search if the user knows what he is searching for | Apr 02 02:54 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q2... | Apr 02 02:54 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u never answered my old question | Apr 02 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Apr 02 02:56 |
| _Hicham_ | about what is ur current job | Apr 02 02:56 |
| _Hicham_ | I know u won't answer this question | Apr 02 02:59 |
| schestowitz | I told you last week that I quit both | Apr 02 02:59 |
| _Hicham_ | mysterious though | Apr 02 02:59 |
| _Hicham_ | so u r living off ur savings? | Apr 02 02:59 |
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| mib_85p9ia | :P | Apr 02 03:03 |
| _Hicham_ | ok, sorry for the question | Apr 02 03:04 |
| mib_85p9ia | where are u? | Apr 02 03:04 |
| mattparry | just reading the artical on your site by Bruce Byfield - I think that he writes really well | Apr 02 03:05 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz gives no answer | Apr 02 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz should invite more chicks to his room to make things work | Apr 02 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is playing a game on his Xbox console | Apr 02 03:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes. | Apr 02 03:09 |
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| _Hicham_ | yes about what? | Apr 02 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is becoming british again | Apr 02 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is loosing its sense of humor | Apr 02 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is way too serious | Apr 02 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is sleepy and tired | Apr 02 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz will go to bed soon | Apr 02 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Mccain -\> idiot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f... | Apr 02 03:15 |
| schestowitz | n8TB5JIaGRFYeTcgq-sy6IWPagvgn | Apr 02 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is for war on Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan | Apr 02 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz spreads terror and fright | Apr 02 03:16 |
| dsmith_ | roy, do you know anyone that does LVM recoveries? | Apr 02 03:17 |
| dsmith_ | can I still obtain Rh6 anywehre? I have a person that upgarded from RH 6 to fedora 10, and he lost his LVM | Apr 02 03:18 |
| _Hicham_ | from RH6 to fedora10? | Apr 02 03:22 |
| _Hicham_ | he must be crazy | Apr 02 03:22 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: oiaohm might know | Apr 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | He does data recovery. He's here in mornings | Apr 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: don't tell lies about me. :-) | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | where is oiaohm? | Apr 02 03:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm preparing links for BN | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | I miss this man | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I like to tease | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | u | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't stop | Apr 02 03:25 |
| _Hicham_ | ur the first cool british man I know | Apr 02 03:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Apr 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | skip to 5:00 | Apr 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Invade Iraq = OK (because of pil) | Apr 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Stopping genocide = No (no oil) | Apr 02 03:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Obama is just another puppet | Apr 02 03:27 |
| _Hicham_ | u should take over the world | Apr 02 03:28 |
| _Hicham_ | u would be a good tyran | Apr 02 03:28 |
| _Hicham_ | well, good night | Apr 02 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | and never get upset at me | Apr 02 03:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't mean what I write about u | Apr 02 03:30 |
| _Hicham_ | it is just jokes | Apr 02 03:30 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't stop my sense of humor sometimes | Apr 02 03:30 |
| _Hicham_ | have a good night | Apr 02 03:30 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Apr 02 03:39 |
| mattparry | is hicham a nutter? | Apr 02 03:43 |
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| zer0c00l | later | Apr 02 03:56 |
| zer0c00l | bbl | Apr 02 03:57 |
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| *amarsh04 will be back soon, rebooting into new kernel - I'd rather find a bug in a new kernel and get it fixed quickly than being bitten by it in a "stable" kernel | Apr 02 04:14 | |
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| yuhong | It looks like MS is asking Obama for a bail-out. | Apr 02 04:19 |
| yuhong | Claiming that it is too big to fail because of it's 80% market share. | Apr 02 04:20 |
| yuhong | While I don't believe any org is too big to fail or succeed for a moment, | Apr 02 04:20 |
| yuhong | The 80% market share may have an implication if MS do go bankrupt. | Apr 02 04:21 |
| yuhong | And while it is easy to suggest that all of them should switch to Mac or Linux, doing that to a OS with 80% market share is not easy. | Apr 02 04:22 |
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| yuhong | Ok, this is actually April Fools, ignore. | Apr 02 04:26 |
| yuhong | BTW, I believe that Windows and Unix-like will coexist for at least a while, though not peasefully. | Apr 02 04:27 |
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| tessier | heh | Apr 02 04:28 |
| tessier | I hate April 1st | Apr 02 04:28 |
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| imamilkydrunk | schestowitz, thanks for the link about mccain, now i know what he was really up to. yeah, he shouldn't have been elected at all | Apr 02 06:58 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 02 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 02 09:38 |
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| oiaohm | Had a good day everyone. | Apr 02 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Aye | Apr 02 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS6IC5AWh5c Remix: Lawrence Lessig on IP in the Digital Economy | Apr 02 09:56 |
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| oiaohm | I have not read one of his books. | Apr 02 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Probably not missed much | Apr 02 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | All his talk embody the same repertoire | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to watch people like him more than a few times. They just repeat the same point over and over again, mixing and alll... | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | RMS for example. His talks are all similar. Likewise with Lessig... | Apr 02 10:04 |
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| oiaohm | Reminds me about being acused of plagurising my own poem. I had it published in a book under annoymous with I was in 7 seven in school. And used it in a year 12 assignment were we have to review one of our own poems.. | Apr 02 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is the muse to create a great poem has not hit since. | Apr 02 10:17 |
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| oiaohm | Lawrence is a nice not extreamness. Yes his type is closer to what I believe. | Apr 02 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he's OK. But it's also to do with how he presents the case. | Apr 02 11:22 |
| oiaohm | I have a different style I find his heavy in woffle. | Apr 02 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Ok to be expected lawyers get good at that. | Apr 02 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly. | Apr 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | RMS is a little too eccentric at time | Apr 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | That harms his message | Apr 02 11:31 |
| MinceR | wanting freedom is eccentric nowadays | Apr 02 11:35 |
| MinceR | people happily give it away for glass beads without even realizing what it was | Apr 02 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Define freedom MinceR | Apr 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem is a way to coverying word. | Apr 02 11:40 |
| MinceR | control over one's own life, as far as it doesn't interfere with others' freedom | Apr 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | So don't interfere with another person right to lock up there code so no one can see it. | Apr 02 11:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I was not referring to message | Apr 02 11:41 |
| schestowitz | RMS' message is fine | Apr 02 11:41 |
| schestowitz | But when he starts doing silly things on stage... | Apr 02 11:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: stop twisting words like a politician | Apr 02 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not twisting words. | Apr 02 11:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if i can't see their code, i can't use it and i don't care if it even exists | Apr 02 11:42 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Apr 02 11:42 |
| oiaohm | So you don't care when that code costs you access to a file you spend months on. | Apr 02 11:42 |
| MinceR | i don't spend months on files i can't access | Apr 02 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie the closed source code allowing to to access data in a closed spec format MinceR | Apr 02 11:43 |
| oiaohm | So yes you can still access it until it breaks. | Apr 02 11:43 |
| MinceR | so i don't have control over my own file | Apr 02 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Setting the line where freedoms should be is not always simple. | Apr 02 11:43 |
| MinceR | which means it interferes with my freedom | Apr 02 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Something that does not appear to interfer with you freedom can end up one day doing exactly that. | Apr 02 11:44 |
| MinceR | you're talking about appearances | Apr 02 11:44 |
| MinceR | i didn't mention them | Apr 02 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem you have your define could end up saying all closed source is bad. Because at some day it could interfere with me. But then that interfers with a person right to buy closed source solution if they wish. | Apr 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically complete freedom can never be granted. | Apr 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Best that can be got to is a fair balance. | Apr 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | What blance risks the least harm to all is the way I see it. | Apr 02 11:48 |
| MinceR | if there are no closed source solutions, the right to buy them is meaningless | Apr 02 11:49 |
| MinceR | therefore it doesn't interfere with freedom | Apr 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | If there were no closed source there would be no companies like ID. | Apr 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | We would be a lot poorer world. | Apr 02 11:49 |
| MinceR | why would there be no such companies? | Apr 02 11:50 |
| oiaohm | ID income depends on sales of software and licences to there engines. | Apr 02 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Why would someone bother paying them. | Apr 02 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Remember everything ID codes is open source in the end. | Apr 02 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Closed source for a time provides ID with an effective way of recoverying development costs. | Apr 02 11:51 |
| MinceR | their clients usually needed custom features in their engines | Apr 02 11:52 |
| MinceR | also game content could still be closed | Apr 02 11:52 |
| MinceR | (levels, graphics, sounds, music, models) | Apr 02 11:52 |
| oiaohm | ID clients for the engine normally add there own custom features themselves. | Apr 02 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Hard part with engine being free for ID is anyone could build a complete levels graphics and so on then release a game competing with theres they need to recovery the development costs. | Apr 02 11:55 |
| MinceR | also, you seem to be missing that by freedom i didn't mean only software | Apr 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | I can expand this outside software. | Apr 02 11:55 |
| MinceR | not anyone can compete with the quality of the content | Apr 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Most companies that used ID engines have bettr quality content. | Apr 02 11:55 |
| MinceR | especially considering that the original developers get a head start by knowing how it all works from the start | Apr 02 11:55 |
| MinceR | that's subjective | Apr 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Normally because ID games are raced to market to sell the engine to other makers. | Apr 02 11:56 |
| MinceR | and what keeps id from buying Raven? | Apr 02 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Think of ID as a game engine maker. | Apr 02 11:56 |
| MinceR | id existed long before they started selling engines | Apr 02 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Name the first engine they sold. | Apr 02 11:57 |
| oiaohm | First engine sold was the doom engine itself the first engine they produced as ID. | Apr 02 11:57 |
| oiaohm | They started live producing engines for other companies before they become ID. | Apr 02 11:58 |
| MinceR | the doom engine wasn't their first product | Apr 02 11:58 |
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| MinceR | you should know this if you refer to them as "ID" and not "id" :> | Apr 02 11:58 |
| oiaohm | wolfenistinen was produced when they were working for another company. | Apr 02 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Same with a lot of games before that. | Apr 02 11:59 |
| oiaohm | ID developers have a very long history of producing engines shared between games. The wolfenistinen was one of the rare ones of theres that was not used in multiable games. | Apr 02 12:00 |
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| MinceR | they didn't sell the engines of the first games developed for Softdisk, for example | Apr 02 12:01 |
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| zer0c00l | "Ubuntu is Linux for human beings, and, believe it or not, Microsoft employees are human beings too. We think we need to work closer with Microsoft to ensure heterogenous data silo paradigm middleware enhancements can continue to grow. Oh, and they gave me this nice T-shirt." | Apr 02 12:02 |
| zer0c00l | http://tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu... | Apr 02 12:02 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 02 12:02 |
| zer0c00l | April fool day prank | Apr 02 12:03 |
| [Ap0G33] | I think that just Gnome in Mono will be cool | Apr 02 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Softdisk they produced did recycle game engines. Contract rules before they were not allowed to sell the engines recycling was fine. Please note id Software offical trademark is lowercase on the id. | Apr 02 12:08 |
| oiaohm | I knew I was typing it lower case for a reason. | Apr 02 12:08 |
| MinceR | they changed capitalization at least once | Apr 02 12:09 |
| MinceR | i remember iD and id | Apr 02 12:09 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... | Apr 02 12:09 |
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| oiaohm | I know a few cracked versions of doom 2 that had there logo wrong. | Apr 02 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Its been lower case as long as I have known id from there first version of doom I have around here somewhere. | Apr 02 12:11 |
| zer0c00l | goin home | Apr 02 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Reader says: "I've found a bit more data and the result is fascinating. I tried accessing Usenet from 3 different shell accounts. In my latest attempt, I did not see slowness. For another data point, I signed up with another German Usenet provider [...] and tested that from my home DSL account. I also did not have slowness with motzarella.org, so I eliminate Level3.net as a suspect. There is only one provider that is present i | Apr 02 12:36 |
| schestowitz | n "traceroute" when I have slowness and absent from it when I don't have slowness: Telia." | Apr 02 12:36 |
| schestowitz | "That is who I suspect of discriminating against NNTP use. I wonder perchance if Telia is also related to the case of Pirate Bay vs. the usual collection of copyright maximalists." | Apr 02 12:36 |
| schestowitz | That's fascinating and worth publicizing. Ghost in the Machine from C.O.L.A. had similar attempts to sort of maginalise people and take them off USENET. | Apr 02 12:37 |
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| Omar87 | Ya know guys? Even if FLOSS and Linux died and vanished from existence and M$ dominated the world completely, the only way they would ever make use Windows and M$ products would be over my dead body. Which won't work anyway because I will be dead and gone already. | Apr 02 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Politicians appear to be fighting free speech on USENET: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 02 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Microsoft is going away (in its current form), but other evils will rise to take its place | Apr 02 13:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: There's no evil like M$, imho. | Apr 02 13:15 |
| MinceR | yes there is | Apr 02 13:15 |
| MinceR | there's apple and google | Apr 02 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Conficker D-Day Arrives; Worm Phones Home (Quietly) < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16... > | Apr 02 13:16 |
| Omar87 | What about Google? | Apr 02 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: there is worse. MAFIAA. | Apr 02 13:16 |
| MinceR | lots | Apr 02 13:16 |
| Omar87 | lol :) | Apr 02 13:16 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA is a lot worse. And I think more money is also involved. | Apr 02 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But I'm no law expert, so I stay mostly out of it | Apr 02 13:16 |
| Omar87 | What is wrong with Google? | Apr 02 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Where to begin? :-) | Apr 02 13:16 |
| Omar87 | Anywhere you like. | Apr 02 13:17 |
| Omar87 | I don't think Google's any worse than MS. | Apr 02 13:19 |
| oiaohm | MS is worse than Google | Apr 02 13:19 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Yeah, much worse. | Apr 02 13:20 |
| MinceR | m$ is worse but they don't seem to be too dissimilar as google shows their true colors. | Apr 02 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Google does not have a track record that would make most crimials criminal record look minor like MS. | Apr 02 13:20 |
| MinceR | also, google being a lot better at the things they want to do for themselves makes them more dangerous | Apr 02 13:21 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: At least Google uses FLOSS, M$ is simply trying to bury it. | Apr 02 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Google is not prepaird to go to any length to get what they want. | Apr 02 13:21 |
| MinceR | (their services other than the search engine suck for the users, but they certainly can gather a lot of private data) | Apr 02 13:21 |
| oiaohm | They draw the line at breaking laws. | Apr 02 13:22 |
| MinceR | they're already going much further than they've promised. | Apr 02 13:22 |
| MinceR | and buying laws is an old practice in the world. | Apr 02 13:22 |
| MinceR | especially in the usa | Apr 02 13:22 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Plus, you can never stop all corporations from adopting a proprietary or semi-proprietary approach. | Apr 02 13:22 |
| oiaohm | No company is perfect. | Apr 02 13:23 |
| MinceR | that has little to do with this topic :> | Apr 02 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Part of the problem of having to make a profit. | Apr 02 13:23 |
| Omar87 | Plus, I personally believe that too much freedom means communism, and that's not good. | Apr 02 13:23 |
| Omar87 | Freedom is very important, but it also has to be maintained, and managed in a productive and safe way. | Apr 02 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Google problem is lot of the fields they are in don't have good regulation. | Apr 02 13:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 02 13:24 |
| oiaohm | So they have to make it up on the fly. | Apr 02 13:24 |
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| MinceR | Omar87: which sense of "communism" is that? | Apr 02 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes they will get it right some times they get it wrong. | Apr 02 13:24 |
| MinceR | Omar87: anarcho-syndicalism? | Apr 02 13:24 |
| oiaohm | MS never ever bothered really trying to make up fair rules on stuff. | Apr 02 13:25 |
| Narcissus | Do any of you recognise this IP address: 72.29.75.151 | Apr 02 13:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the problem is that google says they'll do no evil and then they go and do it | Apr 02 13:25 |
| MinceR | pointing at laws is no excuse for that | Apr 02 13:25 |
| MinceR | another problem is that most of their products are complete crap. | Apr 02 13:25 |
| Narcissus | Because I need to have a work with someone about it. | Apr 02 13:25 |
| oiaohm | do no evil is what they attempt to do. | Apr 02 13:25 |
| MinceR | (or services) | Apr 02 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Its also the define of what is evil. | Apr 02 13:26 |
| MinceR | i doubt anyone can fail that hard at attempting something they want to do. | Apr 02 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Another word with really broad meanings. | Apr 02 13:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MS at making a Vista so that everyone like it. | Apr 02 13:26 |
| oiaohm | MS kinda out did google at failing at doing something they want too. | Apr 02 13:27 |
| MinceR | i doubt that m$ ever wanted to make good products | Apr 02 13:27 |
| MinceR | though you're right in that they wanted to _sell_ it as something good and they failed | Apr 02 13:27 |
| oiaohm | If google did not try not to be evil they could be a really nasty company. | Apr 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Think about all the information google has on people searching habits that could be abused. | Apr 02 13:29 |
| MinceR | they are a really nasty company | Apr 02 13:29 |
| MinceR | they do hoard all that information, and even if they don't use it yet themselves, they can be forced by law to reveal them to the authorities | Apr 02 13:29 |
| MinceR | including the authorities in china | Apr 02 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Google has fort releasing information on people. | Apr 02 13:30 |
| oiaohm | That included getting them blocked from china for a fair while. | Apr 02 13:30 |
| MinceR | well, they aren't blocked now, are they? | Apr 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | In the in end china build in there own great firewall with monitering. | Apr 02 13:31 |
| MinceR | perhaps google's idea is "do no evil, unless it's profitable to do evil" | Apr 02 13:31 |
| MinceR | which is useless | Apr 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | So even that google did not give over the information. | Apr 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | China just got it another way with the help of cisco systems. | Apr 02 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Narcissus: what's the DNS host corresponding to? | Apr 02 13:32 |
| Narcissus | Server:207.218.192.38 | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | Address:207.218.192.38#53 | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | Non-authoritative answer: | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | 151.75.29.72.in-addr.arpaname = pass3.dizinc.com. | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | Authoritative answers can be found from: | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | 75.29.72.in-addr.arpanameserver = PTR1.DIMENOC.com. | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | 75.29.72.in-addr.arpanameserver = PTR2.DIMENOC.com. | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | PTR1.DIMENOC.cominternet address = 72.29.65.2 | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | PTR2.DIMENOC.cominternet address = 72.29.64.2 | Apr 02 13:33 |
| Narcissus | 'scuse the spam, I just did exec -o by mistake >_< | Apr 02 13:33 |
| schestowitz | What's this IP done? | Apr 02 13:34 |
| Narcissus | It persistantly spams my blog with links to here. | Apr 02 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Which blog? | Apr 02 13:34 |
| Narcissus | PM? | Apr 02 13:34 |
| schestowitz | If we discuss your blog, then it pings. | Apr 02 13:34 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to accept it, it's not automated either. | Apr 02 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Google idea is to do no evil. The problem is the define of evil. Not everyone defines what is evil the same MinceR | Apr 02 13:35 |
| schestowitz | It merely informs, based on the way WordPress functions | Apr 02 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Narcissus: if you tell me which blog you are, we sure won't mention you again. :-) | Apr 02 13:36 |
| Narcissus | but schestowitz I am also getting many other comments via spam, and that 207.218 address is responsible for quite a few of them. The majority of which are unsolicited crap which falls within the juristiction of CAN-SPAM Act 2003 | Apr 02 13:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so they redefine it and effectively lie to us? | Apr 02 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Narcissus: I can't recall seeing it... maybe some recent post? | Apr 02 13:37 |
| Narcissus | If I were you, I would turn off whatever is doing that to Wordpress blogs. As others may not be as... understanding... as I can be. | Apr 02 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Narcissus: pingback or E-mail? | Apr 02 13:38 |
| Narcissus | It is pointless software | Apr 02 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm not following. | Apr 02 13:38 |