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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 11 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | I made it a long time ago | Apr 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | 2007 | Apr 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | It reminds SUSE users who's the boss. | Apr 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Hoping to deter them and have them move to Fedora or something (both users and developers) | Apr 11 00:00 |
| tacone | lol | Apr 11 00:00 |
| MinceR | the suse users who cared aren't suse users anymore :> | Apr 11 00:06 |
| tacone | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/10/ab... | Apr 11 00:06 |
| tacone | 300 dollars. ubuntu | Apr 11 00:06 |
| tacone | or well, ubuntu was on the first prototypes. guess this versions runs a stripped down linux. | Apr 11 00:07 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Apr 11 00:12 |
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| DaemonFC | meh, I used Windows 7 for 5 hours | Apr 11 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | had 9 BSODs | Apr 11 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | and enough of Microsoft to last another 5-6 years | Apr 11 00:22 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 11 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft attacks Apple: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... | Apr 11 01:38 |
| schestowitz | OOXML crimes revisited: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1... | Apr 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 11 01:45 |
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| mememe | it seems like m$ is attacking everybody | Apr 11 03:49 |
| mememe | first several sentencies of the latter link were trying to sober me up but then i saw guy keeping banner and sanity returned to me XD | Apr 11 03:53 |
| mememe | i probably definitely should smoke weed today | Apr 11 03:54 |
| mememe | that's just a lol: http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Apr 11 04:03 |
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| Slashdot tools out http://linux.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 11 05:05 | |
| what idiots, they drank M$ Koolaid again. | Apr 11 05:05 | |
| mememe | lol | Apr 11 05:10 |
| mememe | shlashdot always drinks smth inaproppriate | Apr 11 05:10 |
| comments start off with M$ marketing shit from lord_byron II, castroy and mrnaz. Pure crap. | Apr 11 05:14 | |
| did they kick roblimo out? | Apr 11 05:16 | |
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| schestowitz | tw/. feeds IDG | Apr 11 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Most of this FUD came through IDG citing NPD | Apr 11 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | According to some study we paid for | Apr 11 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | that you can't reproduce | Apr 11 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | from our partner | Apr 11 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | we're the best | Apr 11 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing antitrust memo to show this. | Apr 11 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | How Microsoft Changes the Prices at OEMs to Block GNU/Linux Sales < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/11/lds... > | Apr 11 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Submitted to Digg for the first time in ages: http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_Microsoft... | Apr 11 08:48 |
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| oiaohm | You missed it dell and hp offset the costs of windows with ad and trial ware. | Apr 11 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes ugly. | Apr 11 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, that's well known | Apr 11 09:43 |
| schestowitz | it does not and should not restrict enforcement from competition authorities | Apr 11 09:43 |
| schestowitz | There are laws that prevent monopoly abuse and suffocation of rivals. These laws exist for a reason and purpose. | Apr 11 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | A close look at Microsoft’s maneuvers that may compromise Free software later on < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/11/... > | Apr 11 10:39 |
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| trmanco | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Living_Life_Wit... | Apr 11 11:03 |
| schestowitz | "Distrobution" | Apr 11 11:11 |
| schestowitz | In general, it's a poor essay to tell you the truth, but the pictures are good advocacy | Apr 11 11:11 |
| tacone | from the same site | Apr 11 11:15 |
| tacone | http://yro.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 11 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | I keep saying they need to turn Windows manuals into pop-up books. Words and paragraphs seem to only further confuse most of the readers. | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Platespin is anothe company killed by NOVL | Apr 11 11:22 |
| schestowitz | They are like Microsoft. | Apr 11 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Buying and destroying.. | Apr 11 11:23 |
| schestowitz | PlateSpin made some headlines for Novell when it was acquired, but if you look closely, many of its chief people quit Novell (at least 3 I can think of) and the company’s product does not appear to have even gained much traction... Fair enough, but the departures are rather big (Stephen Pollack for example). The executives left too. | Apr 11 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Novell did actually do some good | Apr 11 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | when they bought Apparmor and put it out of its misery' | Apr 11 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 11 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder what the hell Ubuntu is thinking? | Apr 11 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | Tomoyo, Smack, and SELinux are part of the kernel | Apr 11 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | so lets use AppArmor | Apr 11 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | Novell fires all the Apparmor developers | Apr 11 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu says "Lets make the system depend MORE on Apparmor!" | Apr 11 11:26 |
| tacone | Ubuntu stance on the matter is | Apr 11 11:26 |
| tacone | they can change later if they desire. | Apr 11 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's not in the kernel because Linus Torvalds obviously doesn't think much of it | Apr 11 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | and it is dead upstream | Apr 11 11:27 |
| tacone | the only concern of Ubuntu AFAIK is the project being dead.- | Apr 11 11:27 |
| tacone | it's along the lines of SABDFL typical stance. Let's do that, if a problem arise we will deal with it (quote about mono) | Apr 11 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Due to what tomoyo did AppArmor could be updated to a secure system if someone puts in the time. | Apr 11 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Also would make AppArmor faster. | Apr 11 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | let's mooch off that project | Apr 11 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | when it dies | Apr 11 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | we can mooch off someone elses | Apr 11 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | we have no idea how it works | Apr 11 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | we just like to list it as a feature | Apr 11 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | and watch the blinkenlights | Apr 11 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Tomoyo sorted out path based secuirty. | Apr 11 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Interesting will be if Smack and Selinux pick it up. | Apr 11 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is just a passive grazer | Apr 11 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | with most any component | Apr 11 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | We know it's easy to assemble a Linux system with a skeleton crew and almost now idea how it really all works | Apr 11 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | and give nothing back to upstream | Apr 11 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's been done many times | Apr 11 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | *no | Apr 11 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when you use someone elses tree. | Apr 11 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is almost the same as debian unstable. | Apr 11 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 11 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | they back out certain patches | Apr 11 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | and they have a few of their own | Apr 11 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | really the idea of Debian/Ubuntu doing a patch at a time is retarded | Apr 11 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | like their 2.6.28 kernel that has a lot of stuff from 2.6.29 and a few things from 2.6.30 development | Apr 11 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | ridiculous | Apr 11 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Note the word almost | Apr 11 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Other than few patch changes here and there it is. | Apr 11 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Gavin Clarke is peddling MS propaganda again.. "Microsoft ready for an open-source skoolin'" | Apr 11 12:56 |
| schestowitz | This man is ruining The Register | Apr 11 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Motorola's ex-CFO files whistleblower suit < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... >. Microsoft had a similar story | Apr 11 12:56 |
| MinceR | /. is propagating the recent lies from m$ >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 11 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I heard | Apr 11 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Submitted by anonymous, IIRC | Apr 11 12:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: watch how many of the references come from IDG | Apr 11 12:58 |
| MinceR | 1 IDG, 2 /. | Apr 11 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Well, where does it point | Apr 11 12:58 |
| schestowitz | I saw NetworkWorld (=IDG) | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | It's always the same people | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Had Slashdot had decency, then only the REBUTTALS would be linked | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | As in, Carla's for example | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Instead they confuse people with Microsoft-paid lies | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | And Mcirosoft is doing the same thing against Apple ATM | Apr 11 12:59 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft-paid-for "Apple tax" soud bite. | Apr 11 13:00 |
| schestowitz | *sound | Apr 11 13:00 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/08/ec... Watch picture 3 | Apr 11 13:02 |
| schestowitz | back at 3.../me | Apr 11 13:08 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 11 13:20 |
| MinceR | the reg takes apple's side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... | Apr 11 13:20 |
| trmanco | this has been updated -> http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/03... | Apr 11 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Stock boosting | Apr 11 13:38 |
| oiaohm | That is interestly desperate. | Apr 11 13:38 |
| tacone | Gnome Zeitgeist because a daemon. so we're free to write UI in MONO, C, Vala, now. http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2009/04/a-s... | Apr 11 13:41 |
| tacone | s/because/becomes/ | Apr 11 13:42 |
| MinceR | wtf gnome zeitgeist? | Apr 11 13:43 |
| oiaohm | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeZeitgeist | Apr 11 13:45 |
| oiaohm | KDE intergration anyone. | Apr 11 13:45 |
| MinceR | Yet Another File Indexer? :) | Apr 11 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Basicaly. | Apr 11 14:04 |
| PetoKraus | hmm interesting | Apr 11 14:25 |
| PetoKraus | there's a fix for OOo in arch AUR | Apr 11 14:25 |
| PetoKraus | which basically switches OOo to use default clearlooks GTK theme | Apr 11 14:06 |
| PetoKraus | therefore it's the only app in the whole system which looks odd | Apr 11 14:06 |
| PetoKraus | but at least the graphs and tables look normal | Apr 11 14:06 |
| PetoKraus | oh and i switched to openbox | Apr 11 14:06 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Apr 11 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: "Is it really needed to have yet another daemon running in the background ? That will just be useful to kill battery faster." | Apr 11 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS can sponsor some .NET bastard with hookws | Apr 11 14:50 |
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| US government props up paper companies. http://www.thenation.com/do... | Apr 11 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: that's nice of you to rescue them | Apr 11 14:53 |
| Without this, newspapers would be going under sooner. | Apr 11 14:54 | |
| the method of support helps to warm the planet, so you can thank me twice for it. | Apr 11 14:54 | |
| people so often complain about over population, being fat and how cold and rainy it is where they live. | Apr 11 14:55 | |
| oiaohm | Vala when it becomes stable will be a major bug bear to mono in Gnome. | Apr 11 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Something equal in the KDE envorment and most .net code will not be getting very far. | Apr 11 14:57 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | Apr 11 14:58 |
| trmanco | http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computador... | Apr 11 14:59 |
| schestowitz | tacone: they should let papers die | Apr 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | They die because they can't deliver | Apr 11 15:07 |
| tacone | papers ? | Apr 11 15:07 |
| schestowitz | There are better things out there now. You don't fund companies that make oil lamps... | Apr 11 15:07 |
| tacone | weren't we talking about daemons ? | Apr 11 15:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: newspaper | Apr 11 15:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, daemons | Apr 11 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Someone can write it in Mononucleosis | Apr 11 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Novellsoft can even fund a developer to sponsor such things. | Apr 11 15:28 |
| schestowitz | DNS has gone nuts again | Apr 11 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Probably Microsoft Conficker of something DDOSing | Apr 11 15:31 |
| tacone | anyone to help me digg and spread this helpful ubuntu feature ? http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_to_m... | Apr 11 15:08 |
| tacone | stuff that matters. | Apr 11 15:08 |
| oiaohm | That is a gnome feature | Apr 11 15:09 |
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| oiaohm | Someone stuffed up the area setting in X11 tacone | Apr 11 15:10 |
| MinceR | KDE has C++ already, so it doesn't need Vala. | Apr 11 15:10 |
| bill gates does not want his paper PR press to sink so quickly, he has enough money to warp things for a while | Apr 11 15:10 | |
| tacone | :) | Apr 11 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Vala is a translator from C# style to C style. | Apr 11 15:11 |
| oiaohm | We are missing a translator from C# style to C++ | Apr 11 15:11 |
| tacone | it's not compatible anyways. | Apr 11 15:12 |
| tacone | just translating the stile doesn't matter much. | Apr 11 15:12 |
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| oiaohm | Does to coders who don't know C or C++ yet. | Apr 11 15:12 |
| tacone | i don't see how a c++ translator could be useful, anyways. you'll never see the C or C++ code. | Apr 11 15:12 |
| MinceR | Vala is one C-based OOP language. C++ is another. | Apr 11 15:13 |
| trmanco | tacone, I can try | Apr 11 15:13 |
| tacone | if I understood right, Vala get's translated to C right before compiling. | Apr 11 15:13 |
| oiaohm | So did C++ when it was starting out tacone | Apr 11 15:13 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 11 15:13 |
| tacone | so what's the point for Vala -> c++ ? | Apr 11 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Not Vala to C++ | Apr 11 15:14 |
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| oiaohm | KDE interfaces are C++ a translator from C# style to KDE C++ style makes conversion simpler of .net programmers. | Apr 11 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Undermines the mono pushing C# is better line. | Apr 11 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Vala is design purely for the gnome stack of libraries. | Apr 11 15:16 |
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| Oh, God, please no talk about C# and .NET in GNU/Linux for a while. I have to use applications written in .NET at work. | Apr 11 15:17 | |
| I can tell you that the original sucks life. | Apr 11 15:17 | |
| trmanco | twitter, slow hun? | Apr 11 15:18 |
| oiaohm | No strange glitches for no good reason. | Apr 11 15:18 |
| trmanco | takes forever to load a .NET app, even on Windows | Apr 11 15:18 |
| slow, buggy, like Windows. | Apr 11 15:19 | |
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| trmanco | twins | Apr 11 15:24 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi Roy! | Apr 11 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Apr 11 15:46 |
| schestowitz | How's it going? | Apr 11 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I shall go though some MS news shortly. Should be fun. | Apr 11 15:46 |
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| _Hicham_ | it is going great | Apr 11 16:13 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Apr 11 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Hiya | Apr 11 16:22 |
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| Omar87 | Does anyone agree with me that Macs ain't no invention? They're not nothing special, and buying Apple stuff -in general- merely a pointless waste of money? | Apr 11 16:23 |
| silentivm | Macs are WAY overrated, IMHO | Apr 11 16:23 |
| Omar87 | **They're nothing special..** | Apr 11 16:24 |
| silentivm | I fail to see what's so cool about them, or anything from Apple for that matter | Apr 11 16:24 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, but I mean, what is it that Mac can do that can't be done with any other machine or platform? | Apr 11 16:25 |
| Omar87 | that *a* Mac can do.. | Apr 11 16:25 |
| MinceR | macs suck | Apr 11 16:25 |
| silentivm | some video editing apps are Mac-only | Apr 11 16:25 |
| MinceR | just like all crApple products | Apr 11 16:25 |
| silentivm | that's the only thing I remember right now | Apr 11 16:25 |
| Omar87 | silentivm: Well, but still, that's not because Macs are incredible, it's only because the vendors of those applications are either Apple itself or simply a company of Mac-obsessed idiots.. IMHO.. | Apr 11 16:27 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: LOL! crApple! Nice one. ;) | Apr 11 16:28 |
| MinceR | macs are ugly, overpriced, slightly incompatible PCs with severely limited customizability | Apr 11 16:29 |
| schestowitz | This week: "Vista" has 1 match, vapourware (down 7) has 10 matches | Apr 11 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista is deal | Apr 11 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is all Microsoft has the press talk about | Apr 11 16:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they are not ugly | Apr 11 16:29 |
| MinceR | well, i don't consider cheap white toilet lid plastic style anything but "ugly" | Apr 11 16:30 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : fuck apple and microsoft | Apr 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | true, not all of their products are that hideous | Apr 11 16:30 |
| _Hicham_ | they did nothing but cripple computer science for ages | Apr 11 16:31 |
| _Hicham_ | pure commercial entities are not to be praised | Apr 11 16:31 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Yeah man.. | Apr 11 16:31 |
| _Hicham_ | better praise commercial/community entities like RedHat | Apr 11 16:32 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat showed the way to people, but they can't do the same | Apr 11 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Watch this IDG fraud: "Regardless of the why behind it, the fact remains that Windows 7, in general, continues to receive good press." http://www.itworld.com/windows/66128/micr... | Apr 11 16:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/windows/661... | Apr 11 16:32 |
| schestowitz | For all I can tell, THIS CHAP DIDN'T TRY IT (!!), he's just rely on bought 'reviews' that Microsoft planted | Apr 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | See, that's typical IDG | Apr 11 16:33 |
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| _Hicham_ | Windows 7 is nothing but a new crappy product Microshit | Apr 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 is buggy | Apr 11 16:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Microshit has grown over time to become Macroshit | Apr 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | And it's like Vista | Apr 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is working on perception | Apr 11 16:34 |
| _Hicham_ | shitting all over the world | Apr 11 16:34 |
| Omar87 | So what exactly is IDG? | Apr 11 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Some shills pool. | Apr 11 16:34 |
| schestowitz | You pay them money, they say something good to suits | Apr 11 16:34 |
| _Hicham_ | IDG is an MS mistress | Apr 11 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Not just Microsoft | Apr 11 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Whoever pays them. | Apr 11 16:34 |
| _Hicham_ | a public serving whore | Apr 11 16:34 |
| tacone | IDG is a publishing company (i used to work for) | Apr 11 16:36 |
| tacone | they're the editors of numerous well-known publications such as PCWorld, MacWorld, ComputerWorld and so on. | Apr 11 16:37 |
| tacone | don't confuse them with IDC (which is related to them, btw) | Apr 11 16:38 |
| schestowitz | It owns them | Apr 11 16:39 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Apr 11 16:39 |
| tacone | I agree with schestowitz, they're mainly a money-related pre-web institution, which is struggling to keep the pace with the changes in IT business | Apr 11 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/... "IDC is a subsidiary of IDG , the world’s leading technology media, research, and events company. Additional information can be found at www.idc.com. " | Apr 11 16:39 |
| tacone | IDG owns IDC i guess. | Apr 11 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 11 16:39 |
| schestowitz | That's where they make bought papers | Apr 11 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Bought articles | Apr 11 16:40 |
| schestowitz | aka 'white papers' | Apr 11 16:40 |
| tacone | white papers are a mostly paid service available to anyone. | Apr 11 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : we didn't intend to insult u, we r talking about entities, not people | Apr 11 16:40 |
| tacone | no insult, don't worry. | Apr 11 16:40 |
| tacone | usually, in italy, it goes like this | Apr 11 16:41 |
| tacone | they contact or get contacted by - say - IBM | Apr 11 16:41 |
| schestowitz | KELLNER: Microsoft's Vista ought to die soon < http://washingtontimes.com/news/2... > | Apr 11 16:41 |
| tacone | so they agree for selling some banner | Apr 11 16:41 |
| tacone | and put some whitepapers in the agreement. the customer will write the whitepaper. | Apr 11 16:42 |
| tacone | in Italy, we used to set up a "zone" | Apr 11 16:42 |
| tacone | like a 'Virtualization Zone', or a "Safe Backup Zone" or any other theme. | Apr 11 16:43 |
| tacone | then some article get written by idg journalists, some from the customer, and all whitepapers comes from the customer. | Apr 11 16:43 |
| tacone | that way they can keep the label 'journalism' | Apr 11 16:43 |
| tacone | http://zones1.computerworld.com/home/ | Apr 11 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, disinoformation | Apr 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And they call it "information group" | Apr 11 16:50 |
| tacone | pay-for-service i call it. | Apr 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | More like "advertising group" | Apr 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new... (Monster Gets Yahoo’s Help in Cyber-Hunt for Leakers ) | Apr 11 16:50 |
| tacone | ultimately, you can define it as a mix between an advertising group and a journal. both happen. | Apr 11 16:50 |
| tacone | I don't read their english websites, but I believe they have some good journalists in there | Apr 11 16:51 |
| tacone | (as well as I guess localized versions are generally not worth reading) | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | They buy sites | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | And then ruin them | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | They also have advertising deal with sites | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | They drive the Webmasters mad | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | At least the one I spoke to | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Ina Shiellls (MS PR in CNET) spins the company's crimes | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | From charges of collusion of price-fixing it become "Microsoft fined over Office pricing in Germany" | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Those bastards are trying to rewrite history using their shillnalists | Apr 11 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Disguised as journalists | Apr 11 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Don’t Worry! We won’t install a bunch of additional stuff on your computer or try to sign you up for unwanted email. | Apr 11 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what is listed on Silverlight download page | Apr 11 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | first time that I see that from Microsoft | Apr 11 17:07 |
| tacone | italian TV now seems on Silverlight only. they completed the switch. | Apr 11 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u say about that? | Apr 11 17:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they spammed Austrian Linux users | Apr 11 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I'll get you the link | Apr 11 17:13 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Counter "Linux Today reported how Microsoft Austria used the site for spamming Linux users [4]; the counter keeps a list of press references, occasionally updated." | Apr 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news... | Apr 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The Register has an article somewhere. Linked in Bn too..... | Apr 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | They play similar games in Holland | Apr 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30... | Apr 11 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Windows just works. Just In: Windows Doesn't See My Optical Drive < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/c... > | Apr 11 17:21 |
| amarsh04 | I still wonder about acpi... I posted this to #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org: whatever was the acpi bios options of my asus m3a78 pro motherboard broke things in the 2.6.29 kernel so badly that I had to re-create the filesystems on disk. Does the linux kernel offer any warnings against enabling acpi? | Apr 11 17:25 |
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| Omar87 | Is IBM considered a good company? | Apr 11 17:26 |
| schestowitz | WSJ pretends just the name is Microsoft's problem... Microsoft Faces Branding Problem In Effort to Top Google < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/04/08/m... > | Apr 11 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: not exactly | Apr 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | It's harmless to Linux users mostly | Apr 11 17:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Harmless in what way? | Apr 11 17:40 |
| MinceR | Mostly Harmless? | Apr 11 17:44 |
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| mib_ufy7yg | I'm a firm believer in "the market will take care of itself philosophy". No one company can impede innovation forever. Although it seems that Microsoft (and others) might have already proven me wrong on that. | Apr 11 17:55 |
| MinceR | the market will only take care of itself if it is allowed to do so | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | that is, enraged people get to kill ballmer and his partners in crime with guns if they can't stop his monopoly abuse by other means. | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | trusts are a problem of laissez-faire capitalism if people are inhibited from acting against it. | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | maybe even if they aren't. | Apr 11 17:58 |
| schestowitz | The Zune ain't dead yet | Apr 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to breathe life into it. | Apr 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | More money down the drain :-D | Apr 11 18:04 |
| mib_ufy7yg | I think the Zune was just late to the party. Now if they were first it'd be a different story. But Microsoft seems to have a bad habit of putting their best foot forward while ignoring the other one. The push for Zune is only as strong as the market for the Ipod if know Ipod existed Zune would exist. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| mib_ufy7yg | If Ipod never existed Zune wouldn't eixst. | Apr 11 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Apr 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to injure Apple | Apr 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Also Google | Apr 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | That's how they work | Apr 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Destruction versus development | Apr 11 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Baton Charges and Kettling: Police's G20 Crowd Control Tactics Under Fire < http://www.buzzle.com/articles/260405.html > | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The police is lyinh. | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | *lying | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | But the footage claims otherwise. | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The Most Dangerous Person in the World? < http://www.counterpunch.org/go... > | Apr 11 18:27 |
| schestowitz | G20: Police question witness to alleged assault on man who died during protests < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/06/... > | Apr 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | G20 protests: A case to answer < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree... > | Apr 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | "Product Safety Standards" for Cigarettes? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8315 > "Safety".... yeah... gotta work ;-) | Apr 11 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Derailed derailed? Exhausted by lawyers with deep pockets? What now for Microsoft, Yahoo? | Apr 11 18:48 |
| tacone | MS hurts your health: http://www.fumo.it/images/sigarette/h92.jpg | Apr 11 18:51 |
| Omar87 | Guys, I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04, and I'm lovin' it! XD | Apr 11 18:52 |
| silentivm | :) | Apr 11 18:52 |
| Omar87 | Man, literally, there's nothing like freedom.. :) | Apr 11 18:56 |
| tacone | there's mono. | Apr 11 18:56 |
| Omar87 | tacone: I know, and that's where "sudo apt-get remove --purge" comes in. ;) | Apr 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I’m guilty of getting XP netbooks, but I run Linux < http://linuxmednews.com/1239306875 > Sounds like the desktop scam? | Apr 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's not released yet !! :-D | Apr 11 18:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: uh.. duh? :D | Apr 11 18:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I mean, it's only 11 days away, so what's the difference..? :) | Apr 11 19:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Omar87 : what about the boot speed? | Apr 11 19:05 |
| Omar87 | Umm, haven't noticed a big difference, but I think it's a bit faster. | Apr 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Hadoop - Why is Google juicing Yahoo! search? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... > | Apr 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: good point | Apr 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Sun Board Meets as Schwartz Aims to Reassure Workers < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=c... > I worry about MS/Novell's go-ooxml | Apr 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | What if Oracle bought Sun Microsystems? < http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-w... > | Apr 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | CSI seems to be deemphasising FOSS. http://csinitiative.com/news/view/col... Collaborative Software Initiative Introduces Open Market Data Feed Handlers | Apr 11 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's [P]artner’s open source database forecast doesn’t make sense http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2009/04/... | Apr 11 19:12 |
| *schestowitz ust been on the phone with the sister for 2.5 hours :-o | Apr 11 19:13 | |
| tacone | sister = codename for microsoft ? (big sister) | Apr 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | No, sister | Apr 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | But I looked at MS headline at the same time | Apr 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Very, very little | Apr 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | And.. wait for headline.. | Apr 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cancels campus pub < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Micr... > | Apr 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile Users Complain About Upgrade Policy < http://www.pcworld.com/artic... > | Apr 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Supports Plan for Undocumented Immigrants < http://www.cio.com/article/488788/M... > | Apr 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Delays Sterling Security Suite < http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-artic... > | Apr 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft confirms biggest Patch Tuesday for six months < http://www.itwire.com/conten... > | Apr 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Conficker Shows Its Colors, Installs Rogue Antivirus < http://www.pcworld.com/article/162936/c... > | Apr 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Additionally, I tell with honest that Microsoft has almost nothing new, no new products at all. | Apr 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | They are seriously besieged, the question is, how bad it it compared to their competition? | Apr 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is situated in a bankrupt state (not my claim) | Apr 11 19:19 |
| schestowitz | This is good news: The OESF: Quietly Working to Get Android On New Hardware Devices < http://ostatic.com/blog/the-oesf... > | Apr 11 19:21 |
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| trmanco | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ICa... | Apr 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla's Mitchell Baker: IE is An "Ongoing Drag" On Web Functionality < http://ostatic.com/blog/mozillas... > | Apr 11 19:23 |
| trmanco | http://icanhascheezburger.com/20... | Apr 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:24 $)âââ¬> uname -a | cat | Apr 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Linux.. | Apr 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Cat is Linux | Apr 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | wtf | Apr 11 19:27 |
| trmanco | Vista SP2 and Windows 7 More Secure than Linux and Mac OS X Leopard: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-S... | Apr 11 19:27 |
| trmanco | ahh, ok | Apr 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | "Windows Vista Service Pack 2 is the absolute apex in security when it comes down to operating systems, Kevin Turner, chief operating officer for Microsoft, has indicated at the Midmarket CIO Summit earlier this week. Turner has had no problems applauding Vista SP2's superiority over rivals open source Linux and Apple's Mac OS X Leopard, although he has failed to offer any details related to the OS security-measuring content besides his | Apr 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | perspective." | Apr 11 19:28 |
| tacone | read the subtitle | Apr 11 19:28 |
| tacone | "Microsoft claims" | Apr 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | tacone, I missed it | Apr 11 19:29 |
| tacone | fine print :) | Apr 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | microsoft is desperate | Apr 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | What else would Microsoft claim? | Apr 11 19:37 |
| schestowitz | That it "hopes to catch up with the competition?" | Apr 11 19:38 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, forgot to identify yourself? | Apr 11 19:38 |
| schestowitz | In other news, China may claim its people to be chosen by God and far superior with all others in the human race | Apr 11 19:38 |
| schestowitz | To Microsoft, this is marketing, obligation to shareholders and 'national' pride | Apr 11 19:38 |
| trmanco | national pride? | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft nation | Apr 11 19:39 |
| trmanco | Apple is an American company too | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Remember Microsoft uses words like that | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, but Microsoft is like a country in a country | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Many private tyrannies are like that | Apr 11 19:39 |
| tacone | is like a country in more countries | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Apple too grows a sort of sect | Apr 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Linux too, TBH | Apr 11 19:40 |
| tacone | like every multinational, almost. | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | The difference is, Apple has a treasury | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | It's a company | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux is decentralised an d amorphous. | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | There's great danger in the former case | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Think along the lines of Standard Oil | Apr 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft used words like "Jihad" intenrnally. | Apr 11 19:41 |
| trmanco | ... | Apr 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | tacone: there's something inherently more dangerous in very large corporations like Foxconn than in some countries because companies operate like totality and moral values do not exist (unless the cameras are on), whereas many countries have the obligation to pretend they act as democracies | Apr 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | There are ethical companies too | Apr 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | But they are judged by their managers (leaders) | Apr 11 19:42 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i meant to say it's not a country inside a country. It's a virus that spreads and tries to infect every country that it can. | Apr 11 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I see nothing too monovalent in Schmidt/Page/Brin if you compare this to a company/ies where fraud, embezzlement, theft and AstroTurfing are standards tactics (not a reference to Microsoft in particular.. think Haliburton or Intel) | Apr 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | tacone: some corporations can take over a country they are in without you noticing it | Apr 11 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Watch the centralising of media in the US | Apr 11 19:45 |
| tacone | google operates the same way. apparently for the good (or they hide it well). they are in every country and press the governments. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll fetch a video to illustrate this | Apr 11 19:45 |
| tacone | when the net censorship shit started in italy, they've been kept on pressuring the government. going to talk to them (there are even videos of meetings with politicians), creating public forums to dialogue with the institutions | Apr 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2j... | Apr 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't know which part, but around 40mins you see the Democrats at the FCC meeting | Apr 11 19:46 |
| tacone | that's the very same thing that microsoft does (they do that to get into schools, etc). | Apr 11 19:46 |
| schestowitz | They warn about the media getting controlled by few people. Media conglemerates; this can impact how people vote, and it does. | Apr 11 19:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Microsoft needs schools. They turn kids into Microsoft clients. | Apr 11 19:48 |
| tacone | of course. | Apr 11 19:49 |
| tacone | GN featured on Linux Outlaws http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/86 | Apr 11 19:52 |
| tacone | *BN | Apr 11 19:52 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Apr 11 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/20... | Apr 11 19:56 |
| tacone | uh !! | Apr 11 19:57 |
| jumbo | lol | Apr 11 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Hotmail inboxes: Here today, gone yesterday? http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2494 | Apr 11 19:59 |
| tacone | seems like a nice thing. | Apr 11 19:59 |
| tacone | even from intel. | Apr 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Even... | Apr 11 19:59 |
| tacone | intel doesn't do charity. | Apr 11 20:00 |
| tacone | if they employ people to work on gcc, it means they need it. | Apr 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Intel destroys charity | Apr 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I call them Charity Killer | Apr 11 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a... | Apr 11 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Intel uses gcc to make its cpus attractive | Apr 11 20:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I've been chatting with a friend of mine right now, she works for an Engineering Consultations company, she uses .NET.. unfortunately. | Apr 11 20:03 |
| tacone | http://schestowitz.com/ <-- my eyes are bleeding :P | Apr 11 20:04 |
| tacone | let's let them do that. | Apr 11 20:04 |
| schestowitz | .nyet succeeds in certain geographies | Apr 11 20:04 |
| MinceR | intel making their cpus attractive doesn't have to be harmful though :> | Apr 11 20:04 |
| schestowitz | fails in most | Apr 11 20:04 |
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| tacone | let's let amd use gcc to appear actractive as well. | Apr 11 20:04 |
| Omar87 | However, whats surprised me, is that, she said they don't provide her with licensed versions. | Apr 11 20:05 |
| schestowitz | tacone: dark colours bad? | Apr 11 20:05 |
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| tacone | no, the logo is so '96 :P | Apr 11 20:05 |
| tacone | but it was mostly a joke :) | Apr 11 20:05 |
| Omar87 | So, basically, she's left out in the cold, forced to pirate it from the internet, in order to get her work done.. | Apr 11 20:05 |
| Omar87 | What more for a shame do you want than that.. ? | Apr 11 20:06 |
| Omar87 | Am I right guys? | Apr 11 20:06 |
| tacone | Omar87: where ? | Apr 11 20:06 |
| Omar87 | Jordan. | Apr 11 20:07 |
| tacone | where does she says that ? | Apr 11 20:07 |
| Omar87 | Excuse me? | Apr 11 20:07 |
| tacone | (09:15:29 PM) Omar87: However, whats surprised me, is that, she said they don't provide her with licensed versions. | Apr 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: hardly a logo | Apr 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | play with mndrake | Apr 11 20:08 |
| schestowitz | 2002ish | Apr 11 20:08 |
| Omar87 | tacone: Yeah, but where does she say what? | Apr 11 20:08 |
| tacone | the license thing. | Apr 11 20:09 |
| Omar87 | What about it? | Apr 11 20:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://schestowitz.com/Art/Schesto... | Apr 11 20:09 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ok ok :-) | Apr 11 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I was playing about that afternoon. I used floppies... I remember. | Apr 11 20:09 |
| tacone | Omar87: never mind. i'll ask god ( http://www.titane.ca/concordia... ) | Apr 11 20:10 |
| Omar87 | Whatever.. | Apr 11 20:11 |
| MinceR | i, god | Apr 11 20:12 |
| MinceR | ;) | Apr 11 20:12 |
| Omar87 | I didn't like that link. | Apr 11 20:12 |
| Omar87 | No offense, but really, I didn't. :| | Apr 11 20:13 |
| schestowitz | tacone: this is pretty good... http://www.theinterviewwithgod... | Apr 11 20:13 |
| tacone | Omar87: that's the sensation it gave me your replies :) | Apr 11 20:13 |
| Omar87 | tacone: Sorry, but I'm really having trouble understanding you. :) | Apr 11 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "Me: | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Yo | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | God: | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Can I help you? | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Me: | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | linux | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | God: | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Linux Rules." | Apr 11 20:15 |
| tacone | Omar87: let's leave it alone, not imporant ;) | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Just very basic | Apr 11 20:15 |
| Omar87 | Okay. | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Detect some words, spew stuff. | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I saw a transcript from Jun Auza | Apr 11 20:15 |
| Omar87 | I just wish they named it anything else but God.. | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | God is not a name really | Apr 11 20:16 |
| tacone | BN made it on planet fedora: http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/152691.html | Apr 11 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Something more universal | Apr 11 20:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks, I'll look | Apr 11 20:16 |
| tacone | nothing worth looking, but that blog is on planet fedora. | Apr 11 20:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Even so. | Apr 11 20:17 |
| MinceR | god is a noun | Apr 11 20:19 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: It's a term that refers to anything that's worshiped. | Apr 11 20:19 |
| MinceR | that's one possible definition | Apr 11 20:20 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Anything or anyone.. | Apr 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I think I know the person | Apr 11 20:21 |
| tacone | Debian google summer of code | Apr 11 20:21 |
| tacone | - On-demand Cloud Computing with Amazon EC2 and Eucalyptus Integration | Apr 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | As in, heard of him before | Apr 11 20:21 |
| jumbo | Omar87 no | Apr 11 20:21 |
| tacone | ...... | Apr 11 20:21 |
| jumbo | the God is not only worshipped <-- not a criteria | Apr 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | I sure did, but can't remember his role | Apr 11 20:21 |
| tacone | will ever shuttleworth propose something not being already worked upon by others ? | Apr 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Confused also with ODF stuff... | Apr 11 20:21 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: However, is this thing or person that's being worshiped.. really a God? That's the question. | Apr 11 20:21 |
| MinceR | i know if a god in a fantasy setting which isn't worshiped | Apr 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: fair point, sorry about that | Apr 11 20:22 |
| Omar87 | jumbo: Yes, it's one definition. | Apr 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Remember what Linus said about God | Apr 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | If the quote is true | Apr 11 20:22 |
| MinceR | s/if/of/ | Apr 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it, just for entertainment | Apr 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | 3. “My name is Linus, and I am your God.” http://www.businessreviewonline.co... | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I remembered it correctly. If CBR put it there, it's likely validated. And it shows how arrogant Linus is. | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | "It's a little hard to tell at the moment exactly what claims overlap between Apple's patent and the proposed standard, and why Apple is choosing to exert its right to contest the royalty-free licensing terms for those claims. An Apple representative did not immediately return a call seeking comment." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... | Apr 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | "I am Steve Jobs, and I am your iGod" | Apr 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | To claim ownership of knowledge is to claim to be a god | Apr 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | http://slated.org/the_ri... | Apr 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "To claim ownership of knowledge is like claiming the rights of a God. We did not create the universe, we merely live in it. It'd be nice to think that we could do so harmoniously, without trying to claim exclusivity to every particle of matter or thought in that universe, like a pack of rabid prospectors rushing murderously, flintlocks and pickaxes in hand, towards a glint of gold in a rock-face." | Apr 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "Surely our knowledge is merely the sum of what we have been taught, and not some divine gift handed down from God, entitling the bearer to exclusive privileges. How can anyone claim exclusive rights to that which has been collected from others, such as authors; teachers; parents and peers?" | Apr 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | How about serving everyone a bill for reading articles or talking? Mmmm.. :-S that would be.... evil. | Apr 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8330 "The Los Angeles Times is breaking new ground in the fake news business. The Associated Press reports that the paper "took the unusual step Thursday of running a front-page advertisement that resembles a news story. " | Apr 11 20:28 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Those are amazing quotes! Thanks! :) | Apr 11 20:29 |
| jumbo | i dislike his quote about god | Apr 11 20:30 |
| Omar87 | jumbo: You mean Linus? | Apr 11 20:30 |
| jumbo | yeah | Apr 11 20:30 |
| Omar87 | jumbo: Yeah, and I hate too. | Apr 11 20:30 |
| jumbo | and the quote about windows is not evil but crappy sys is naive | Apr 11 20:31 |
| Omar87 | jumbo: Windows is merely a bunch of code, it can't be evil itself. | Apr 11 20:31 |
| jumbo | ... | Apr 11 20:32 |
| jumbo | that's naive too, Omar87 | Apr 11 20:32 |
| MinceR | Skynet is merely a bunch of code, it can't be evil itself. | Apr 11 20:32 |
| Omar87 | jumbo: The one who wrote this pile of code, is the evil. | Apr 11 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87, jumbo it's not just Windows, it's Microsoft | Apr 11 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The same BS was spouted out before | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation | Apr 11 20:33 |
| jumbo | m$ is just a bunch of people, it can't beevil itself | Apr 11 20:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exactly. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | For example.. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not about engineering alone | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Although collusion makes DRM, WGA and other evils | Apr 11 20:33 |
| MinceR | ballmer is just a bunch of cells, it can't be evil itself. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Those /are/ evils | Apr 11 20:33 |
| Omar87 | We shouldn't blame Windows, we should blame its maker. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Because they are behavioural things like distrust encoded in digital form | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Another thing is "digital manners" | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's words for kill switch | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Like disabling your camera | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "manners" | Apr 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | See, manners can be behavioural | Apr 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | But it's hardly about WIndows or Office | Apr 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | That's like saying radios from China are fantastic, so China is perfect | Apr 11 20:34 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Yeah, but Ballmer is a human being after all, humans can be evil. | Apr 11 20:34 |
| jumbo | almost anything coming out of china is craptastic | Apr 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Or.... Stalin was a good father | Apr 11 20:35 |
| MinceR | nothing can be evil | Apr 11 20:35 |
| jumbo | did he have kids? | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | jumbo: not really | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | They have some fine products | Apr 11 20:35 |
| MinceR | why do we have this word at all, i wonder | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | It starts without copycats | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Then it matures | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Japan back in the day | Apr 11 20:35 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Can you explain further? | Apr 11 20:35 |
| MinceR | i'm just following your thoughts | Apr 11 20:36 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: ?? | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: which word? | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Word? | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Word up? | Apr 11 20:36 |
| MinceR | "evil" | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | To describe malice | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Something you hate | Apr 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | There are many words to describe something you hate | Apr 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | "terror" for example | Apr 11 20:37 |
| MinceR | i hate malice | Apr 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Schneier complained that people call anything they don't agree with terror | Apr 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Like calling a street protest terror | Apr 11 20:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: It's not only about stuff you hate, because some of the stuff you hate are not actually evil. | Apr 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | There's " patent terrorism"(Sun exec about MSFT) | Apr 11 20:37 |
| MinceR | "let's paint the bike shed green!" "no, that's terror!" | Apr 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if it errifies you | Apr 11 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Charged with connotation though | Apr 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 11 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Like images of Stinger missiles | Apr 11 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Or buildings collapsing | Apr 11 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Worth reading 1984 | Apr 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | demolition is terror! | Apr 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | earthquake is terror! | Apr 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | On news speak/newspeak | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | i've read 1984 | Apr 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it is | Apr 11 20:39 |
