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| twitter | nasty. I see that kind of thing all the time. | Oct 16 00:58 |
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| AlbertoP | hi twitter ! | Oct 16 00:58 |
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| twitter | hello | Oct 16 00:58 |
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| AlbertoP | what happened today? Did Geeko invaded another country? :-) | Oct 16 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | All that these accounts do in Digg is attack people (and FOSS). They also do this in other sites/fora. | Oct 16 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | AlbertoP: you have an obsession with Geckos. | Oct 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's like David Ike and those 'crocodile blood' thingie. | Oct 16 01:01 |
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| AlbertoP | schestowitz, it's just a common way of referring to suse ;-) | Oct 16 01:01 |
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| twitter | I'd rather you had a thing for lizards | Oct 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Not a good cameo for a product. | Oct 16 01:02 |
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| AlbertoP | btw, he is Geeko, not Gecko or whatever :) | Oct 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Some of the alpha wallpaper/splash screens from old versions were horrid. People sent in photos of lizards. | Oct 16 01:02 |
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| AlbertoP | in 9.x | Oct 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Gecks don't know how to wite. :-p | Oct 16 01:03 |
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| AlbertoP | actually one was very nice | Oct 16 01:03 |
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| AlbertoP | but indeed not exactly "neutral" ;) | Oct 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Users complained. Scary monsters on booting... | Oct 16 01:03 |
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| AlbertoP | they were on login...boot always was pretty flat for what I remember | Oct 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Verbose. | Oct 16 01:06 |
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| AlbertoP | http://static.flickr.com/29/4069671... | Oct 16 01:06 |
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| AlbertoP | this was one ^_^ | Oct 16 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's quite okay. | Oct 16 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Some candidates were toads in a swamp... someone complained in the NG/mailing list. | Oct 16 01:09 |
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| AlbertoP | yep | Oct 16 01:14 |
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| AlbertoP | new materials for you: sle 11 presented at brainshare | Oct 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | SLE+new wallpaper? | Oct 16 01:17 |
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| AlbertoP | hehe | Oct 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7 is under heavy work. | Oct 16 01:18 |
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| AlbertoP | I'm not a beta tester of SLE, so I don't know | Oct 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of wallpaapers font and icons, just like Vista ME. | Oct 16 01:18 |
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| AlbertoP | it seems also a vista sp2 | Oct 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | *fonts | Oct 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's a name change. | Oct 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Selling something called "Vista SP2" is like selling sugar-coated feces. | Oct 16 01:20 |
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| AlbertoP | lol roy, relax...sp2 is downloadable ;) | Oct 16 01:20 |
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| AlbertoP | no idea of what are the plans for w7 | Oct 16 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | There are plans -- plans to "freeze the market," to use Microsoft own words. | Oct 16 01:23 |
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| AlbertoP | oh well, we'll see | Oct 16 01:24 |
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| twitter | The market is relatively frozen, if no sales is cold. M$ will go bust that way. | Oct 16 01:25 |
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| kevin083 | what do you guys think of supposed "nontransferable" licenses? isn't it a scam? | Oct 16 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | People buy low-cost laptops, often with Linux. Even shillnalysts say so right now. | Oct 16 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: the MAFIAA gets away with it, I think. | Oct 16 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Oops, kevin083 it should say | Oct 16 01:28 |
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| twitter | They have already evaporated $60 billion. I don't think they can spread the $40 spending over so many years because they are going to run out of cash before 2013. | Oct 16 01:28 |
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| twitter | There's a lot of pent up demand for computers, especially small quiet ones. | Oct 16 01:29 |
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| kevin083 | i think if the average person knew about it they would have a problem with it | Oct 16 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | I heard that Microsoft tolerates even a loss in 'netbooks' now. | Oct 16 01:30 |
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| twitter | If people had a choice they would chose freedom. | Oct 16 01:30 |
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| twitter | they typical dump ... how many things can they dump at once? | Oct 16 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Meaning they dump it trying to kill Linux companies (stranglehold to chokehold). | Oct 16 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | dumping drugs is a long-term investment. | Oct 16 01:31 |
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| kevin083 | hehe | Oct 16 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | They hope to see the kids running back for a 'dose' of Billdows | Oct 16 01:31 |
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| twitter | dump netbooks, dump software on students, dump software on 3rd world, dump zune, dump xbox, it all ads up to the losses we have seen. | Oct 16 01:31 |
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| kevin083 | well i used to use windows every day... if they can't even let me move my copy i paid for when i purchased the pc to a new one i don't want them getting any of my money | Oct 16 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | They call it Ultimate/Unlimited Opportunity, IIRC> | Oct 16 01:32 |
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| twitter | More like a money pit. | Oct 16 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | Watch out for that name "Unlimited Potential... I call it codename for "anti-Linux budget" | Oct 16 01:32 |
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| kevin083 | i'm sure there are others that feel the same way, but it is something nobody ever talks about | Oct 16 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | kevin083: Microsoft insists a PC without Windows is a 'naked PC', then why can't 'clothes' be passed? | Oct 16 01:33 |
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| twitter | because they are lying? | Oct 16 01:33 |
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| kevin083 | they are just taking advantage of the fact that 90% of people don't want to transfer their software | Oct 16 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they perfume these lies. | Oct 16 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | Like those who dump and convince themselves they do a favvour to the kids ('charity') | Oct 16 01:34 |
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| kevin083 | that would be like me saying that because people don't use 90% of what i sell them i get to steal it back from them | Oct 16 01:34 |
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| kevin083 | not right at all | Oct 16 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | DRM | Oct 16 01:35 |
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| twitter | "Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted." | Oct 16 01:35 |
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| twitter | Function guilt, also presumes he has "good" software. | Oct 16 01:36 |
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| twitter | Free software has no owners, so transferring it is not a problem. | Oct 16 01:37 |
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| twitter | Bill can keep his crap. | Oct 16 01:37 |
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| kevin083 | but you end up paying them whether you want to or not. for example if you purchase an mp3 player that supports wmdrm | Oct 16 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.a... : Bill Gates: "the GPL, which we disagree with" | Oct 16 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | kevin083: yes, it was more of a problem when I got one as a 'gift; | Oct 16 01:39 |
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| kevin083 | it could easily be set up so that if one wants playsforsure/whatever the drm is, they must install it on their device themselves instead of bundling it | Oct 16 01:40 |
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| kevin083 | but then obviously it wouldn't take off | Oct 16 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 16 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same issue with Ubuntu (or Dellbuntu) | Oct 16 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | All buyers are forced to pay for the Microsoft drek. | Oct 16 01:42 |
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| kevin083 | it's even in cell phones now :) | Oct 16 01:43 |
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| AlbertoP | schestowitz, dell fixed that | Oct 16 01:44 |
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| AlbertoP | currently dell's prices are slightly lower if you get ubuntu | Oct 16 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | No-O/S boxes? | Oct 16 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | AlbertoP: that's not the point. | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| AlbertoP | it was suggested on direct2dell and implemented | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | They charge you for codecs and, well... essentially patents. | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| AlbertoP | well, that's pretty normal, if you want codecs in a legal way | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | They also joined Microsoft/Novell, so n surprise there. | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| kevin083 | don't forget the right to decrypt your own dvd movies :) | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | AlbertoP: I don't need codecs. | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | They should offer the option. | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| AlbertoP | you need codecs, you just don't want to pay for them :) | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Rather than add craplets *and* charge for them. | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| AlbertoP | however DELL, on the professional line, has the "n" version | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| AlbertoP | without OS installed | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Veyr limited | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Not many lines. | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| AlbertoP | yes sure, because no one requests it actually | Oct 16 01:46 |
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| AlbertoP | precision workstations and some servers | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | They should separate (unbundle) h/w and s/w | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| AlbertoP | bah | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft has a problem with that, then it ought to make Windows easier to install | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| AlbertoP | they answer to what a customer buys | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Every m0r0n can install something like Ubuntu | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Even little kids. | Oct 16 01:47 |
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| AlbertoP | well, installation is not really the problem | Oct 16 01:48 |
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| AlbertoP | the problem is that hw companies don't really want to deal with customers calling support to have the OS installed | Oct 16 01:48 |
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| kevin083 | most PCs come with AV pre-installed too | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| AlbertoP | AV? | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| AlbertoP | antivirus? | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| kevin083 | where by your subscription will expire in a year or so... when there are free alternatives | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| kevin083 | yep | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| kevin083 | that's what i told my mom when she got a new pc | Oct 16 01:49 |
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| AlbertoP | kevin083, I agree with you on that. Even if usually they put a suite of tools (firewall and stuff) not only AV | Oct 16 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | The idea of unbundling law in different. | Oct 16 01:51 |
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| AlbertoP | schestowitz, they just need to add the options of the OS when you buy...that's all | Oct 16 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | In France they lobby (consumer group/s) for vendors to publicly display the cost of WIndows and deduct it shall the customer refuse to have it with the h/w. | Oct 16 01:51 |
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| kevin083 | i do believe some software should be bundled, as long as it is a part of the system being installed such as a web browser and music player | Oct 16 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | There's good progress for the unbundlers. | Oct 16 01:52 |
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| AlbertoP | a complete unbundling would be a mess, considering the average culture of who buys a pc | Oct 16 01:52 |
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| kevin083 | third-party software isn't a good idea though | Oct 16 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | The seller can provide the PC and the CD/s separately. | Oct 16 01:52 |
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| AlbertoP | right, and make the buyer pay 200$ to install them ^^ | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | This way they can swap PCs and the cost of a PC affected just by the s/w appended. | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| AlbertoP | this really would help LOL | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| kevin083 | that's kinda what HP does... they don't give you the restore disk, but it is pre-loaded | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| twitter | "you need codecs, you just don't want to pay for them" The only problem with codecs is patent law and DMCA - violations of your rights. They are available but may not be distributed in non free states such as the USA. | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | LOL @ "non free states" | Oct 16 01:54 |
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| AlbertoP | twitter, codecs can't be redistributed in half europe either | Oct 16 01:54 |
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| twitter | I did not claim half of Europe was free. | Oct 16 01:54 |
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| schestowitz | The United States of Anti-socialism | Oct 16 01:54 |
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| kevin083 | lol | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| kevin083 | well i paid more to get an ogg vorbis player | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| kevin083 | and i'm happy with it | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Hollywood bought laws in Europe. | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | They just needed some foolish or corruptible politicians. | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| twitter | Corporate and government cooperation of the current US variety has a name, Fascism. | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| AlbertoP | lol | Oct 16 01:55 |
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| kevin083 | most people would never do that though | Oct 16 01:56 |
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| twitter | What, use vorbis? | Oct 16 01:56 |
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| kevin083 | pay more for the ability to use it | Oct 16 01:56 |
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| twitter | Why should people pay for codecs? | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | ...When they are free ones | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| kevin083 | they shouldn't have to... it puts one in a position where their content can be taken hostage | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | It binding of 'playback tax' | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| kevin083 | that's why i did what i did | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | The EU treats some of this as a violation. | Oct 16 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | ..while at the same time being abusing and abusive in the same way with its media 'streaM$' | Oct 16 01:58 |
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| kevin083 | i had that happen to me a few years ago... i encoded a bunch of files using nero and then it told me the trial for the codec had expired so i couldn't access my stuff anymore | Oct 16 02:01 |
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| kevin083 | i didn't even know it was a trial encoder because it came with the burner. basically they say "if you want your files back, you'll pay a license fee to decode them" lol | Oct 16 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | COdec hostage. | Oct 16 02:02 |
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| twitter | Vorbis works for me. | Oct 16 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | The codecs were free. Free as in "Samples" | Oct 16 02:03 |
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| kevin083 | it's great! | Oct 16 02:03 |
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| twitter | ffmpeg2vorbis might help you out of your trap. -v controls quality, 5 is good. | Oct 16 02:04 |
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| kevin083 | well that was years ago... it just opened my eyes | Oct 16 02:04 |
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| kevin083 | back in early 2006 in fact | Oct 16 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | mplayer does conversions too, I think. | Oct 16 02:04 |
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| twitter | The economic implosion is going to derail the DRM fucks. They thought they could slip it into digital broadcast transitions and "high definition" but people are not going to be able to pay for the fancy new TVs and rip off content. | Oct 16 02:06 |
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| twitter | Advertisers will route around that. | Oct 16 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | Their issue might be backlash. They try to expire old 'content'. | Oct 16 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | People are stupid, but only to an extent. They'll sooner or later realise they they were rented content, not sold. | Oct 16 02:08 |
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| twitter | The expiration was going to be a quality improvement. | Oct 16 02:08 |
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| kevin083 | did you hear about those authentication servers for music which were gonna shut down? | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| twitter | They don't really care about owning video, especially video they can manipulate because they are not used to doing that. | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| kevin083 | they pulled out at the last minute like cowards and kept them running :) | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | The MAFIAA sets the rules such that buyers (paying customers) lose their product, which 'expires'. Those that 'steal' (copy) get to keep their data. | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| twitter | They will care less when they have trouble buying dinner. | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| kevin083 | i SO wish they would have shut them down... people would have come after them | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | kevin083: those severs won't last forever. | Oct 16 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same with MSN. | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| twitter | Pays for Sure. | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| kevin083 | it was yahoo, msn, and wal*mart | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoo! and Google issued some lousy refunds, IIRC> | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| twitter | failure | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Wal*Mart and MSN responded only after being blasted in public. | Oct 16 02:10 |
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| twitter | "unlimited" music rental never worked. | Oct 16 02:11 |
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| kevin083 | it'll be interesting to see what the world is like 10 years from now... either there will be insane DRM or no drm | Oct 16 02:12 |
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| twitter | Radio is dead because the RIAA's arrangement only allowed stations to have 3 or 4 hundred songs. Sad isn't it? | Oct 16 02:12 |
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| kevin083 | once the servers start shutting down people will catch on | Oct 16 02:12 |
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| twitter | My wife put it, "you mean I have to buy Sony music for my Sony music player? How stupid!" | Oct 16 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's called C.R.A.P. | Oct 16 02:14 |
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| kevin083 | ... and it won't play on that apple | Oct 16 02:14 |
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| schestowitz | Find the video from David Berlind in YouTube. | Oct 16 02:14 |
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| AlbertoP | small question: do you use acrored? | Oct 16 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | Me? No. | Oct 16 02:20 |
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| twitter | Oh man! The Corry Doctorow interview, about how a free author has moved to free software, comes up like this, " The article you are trying to access requires you to be a registered Linux Journal print or digital subscriber." :'( | Oct 16 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. But it was too good to not quote | Oct 16 02:20 |
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| kevin083 | wow | Oct 16 02:20 |
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| twitter | Good quotes alright. Well thanks. | Oct 16 02:20 |
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| twitter | It was kind of like seeing a RMS in wmv. | Oct 16 02:21 |
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| twitter | Watch for Novell to publish like that. | Oct 16 02:22 |
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| kevin083 | i can't believe people "patent" fonts... lol that's just funny | Oct 16 02:22 |
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| kevin083 | but i guess that's just because i'm the guy who always uses the default one because it looks just fine | Oct 16 02:22 |
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| AlbertoP | kevin083, people patents also plugs, wires, ... | Oct 16 02:23 |
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| AlbertoP | don't ask me what's innovative there ^^ | Oct 16 02:23 |
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| twitter | A particular plug might deserve a patent. | Oct 16 02:24 |
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| AlbertoP | reaaaally particular | Oct 16 02:24 |
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| AlbertoP | usually they patent the design more than the plug though | Oct 16 02:24 |
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| kevin083 | perhaps in those cases where one tiny plug serves tuns of functions. e.g. charging, tv-output, line input etc | Oct 16 02:24 |
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| kevin083 | i've got a device like that and the plug is real small... impressive | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| twitter | I'd think of mechanical and or electrical improvements. | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| twitter | It's hard to imagine a plug that has not already been invented though. | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| AlbertoP | that's the point ^ | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| AlbertoP | ^^ | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| AlbertoP | a font at least if new-looking, requires a looooot of work | Oct 16 02:26 |
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| twitter | Yes, if it's a non obvious invention, it might deserve a patent. | Oct 16 02:26 |
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| AlbertoP | btw, opensuse has new, free and open, fonts thanks to jimmac 8-) | Oct 16 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Fonts don't need patents. | Oct 16 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's more to do with art, i.e. copyrights. | Oct 16 02:30 |
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| AlbertoP | infringe one of the two...and you'll be happy in the same way :) | Oct 16 02:33 |
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| AlbertoP | n8 | Oct 16 02:38 |
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| twitter | It also shows some of the problems of a system that was made for paper publishing. Fonts are a real art form and a particular expression, but they have to reside on the users machine to be useful. | Oct 16 02:58 |
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| twitter | copyright was never supposed to put restrictions on readers, just publishers. | Oct 16 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | true. | Oct 16 02:58 |
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| twitter | it would be a crime to put restrictions on the machines themselves, even for publishers. | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | It assumes no parity. | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | No peer communication, either. | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| twitter | so you are left with M$ bluster about just that kind of crime. | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| twitter | Here's a funny for you, http://bayimg.com/iAlohAabh | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | What separates gossip from publishing (consumer-producer relaltionship) | Oct 16 03:00 |
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| twitter | I don't know. | Oct 16 03:00 |
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| twitter | the question is strange | Oct 16 03:00 |
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| twitter | good night all. | Oct 16 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | It was not a question. | Oct 16 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, the irony! SAP freezes internal IT purchases: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... | Oct 16 07:47 |
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| schestowitz | Giant database plan 'Orwellian': http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_pol... | Oct 16 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft to ditch MSN Groups? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-100671... | Oct 16 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-28/ "Richard Dale committed changes in /branches/KDE/4.1/kdebindings/csharp: * Promote the C# bindings from the trunk to the KDE 4.1 release branch * Regenerate the KDE and Plasma sources from the 4.1 headers" | Oct 16 09:56 |
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| twitter | I wonder if anyone will use it. There are already plenty of scripting languages. | Oct 16 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I've just sent this information to other people. | Oct 16 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, re: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/16/n... , The Unlimited Potential Group is being portrayed as 'charitable'; instead, it should be reported to the FTC for abuse (anti-competitive dumping). | Oct 16 13:41 |
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| brunomiguel | hello :) | Oct 16 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hey. what's up? | Oct 16 14:16 |
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| brunomiguel | don't know. i'm reading the news to find out. :P | Oct 16 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. I need to post some more links. :-) | Oct 16 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | Europe makes some more moves to Free software now. | Oct 16 14:23 |
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| brunomiguel | they finally ditched all the dictator software? | Oct 16 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Not yet. One day at a time, esp. when there's financial stress. | Oct 16 14:29 |
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| twitter | hard to compete with free, isn't it? :) | Oct 16 14:44 |
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| twitter | dive, dive, dive! http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT | Oct 16 14:44 |
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| twitter | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL | Oct 16 14:44 |
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| twitter | business as usual makes people angry, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc... | Oct 16 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Eek! | Oct 16 14:46 |
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| twitter | " They are not going to have the party and leave the hangover for taxpayers." | Oct 16 14:47 |
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| twitter | Why not, they obviously left the shareholders and customers that way. | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, shane is posting agian? | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. :-) | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| PetoKraus | *ain | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| PetoKraus | that's good news! | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| PetoKraus | not that i didn't like your posts... :D | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | He's the founder | Oct 16 14:48 |
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| twitter | the more the merrier | Oct 16 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | Readers are encouraged to contribute posts as well. | Oct 16 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | Something strange happened. | Oct 16 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Some days ago Firefox stopped opening ogg as emdded page media player with streaming. Now it just opens them once downloaded in external programs. :-( | Oct 16 14:57 |
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| _Doug | ... | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| _Doug | .... | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Poor Sun is below $5 | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| _Doug | ..... | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| _Doug | ...... | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | But you don't like talking about the economy. | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| _Doug | Aw shucks .. | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Sun down almost 80% in one year. | Oct 16 15:12 |
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| _Doug | who me ? | Oct 16 15:13 |
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| _Doug | nobody likes talking about the economy .. @ | Oct 16 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you. I was not talking to your cleavage. | Oct 16 15:13 |
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| _Doug | $$$$$$ where have all my dollars gone ? | Oct 16 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 16 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Converted to Euro by Iran. | Oct 16 15:14 |
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| _Doug | You do realize that if the Do$$ar collapses, the rest of the global economy will follow suit .. | Oct 16 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 16 15:17 |
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| _Doug | Every Email In UK To Be Monitored .. | Oct 16 15:17 |
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| _Doug | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/10/15/2222209.shtml | Oct 16 15:17 |
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| _Doug | We of the Tuting popular front will just have to go underground .. :) | Oct 16 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | You and I have no more control over the US$ than 6 billion other people | Oct 16 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | I already encrypt mail where possible. | Oct 16 15:18 |
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| _Doug | tooting :) | Oct 16 15:19 |
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| _Doug | UK Court Rejects Encryption Key Disclosure Defense .. | Oct 16 15:19 |
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| _Doug | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/10/... | Oct 16 15:19 |
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| _Doug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Smith | Oct 16 15:20 |
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| _Doug | "twelve monkeys" was on last night .. | Oct 16 15:24 |
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| _Doug | Did anyone notive that it was Cole who gave the idea for the virus to the son while in the looneybin ? | Oct 16 15:24 |
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| _Doug | Jeffrey Goines an animal rights activist and possibly a Linux user :) | Oct 16 15:28 |
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| _Doug | They sent him back in time to discover who stole the SCO source code .. | Oct 16 15:32 |
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| _Doug | we must have a pure strain :) | Oct 16 15:32 |
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| _Doug | So, if Cole never went back .. the outbreak would never have taken place .. time paradox .. discuss ... | Oct 16 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Films? Why films? | Oct 16 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of animal right activist, there's this article: http://www.schneier.com/blog/ar... | Oct 16 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | *rights | Oct 16 15:38 |
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| _Doug | justv trying to encourage the conversation ... | Oct 16 15:38 |
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| _Doug | I like animals, but we have to eat them and use for medical experiments .. to survive .. | Oct 16 15:39 |
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| _Doug | as long as the distress is kept to a minimum .. | Oct 16 15:39 |
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| _Doug | Schneier on Security: this is really scary .. | Oct 16 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | He *is* scary. But nice in real life... | Oct 16 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | I'm off to the gym now anyway.. | Oct 16 15:47 |
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| _Doug | see ya .. I'm off too ... | Oct 16 15:48 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: You have met Bruce Schneier? | Oct 16 16:15 |
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| twitter | M$ and Novell stock have both moved more than 10% today. Crazy fluctuations. | Oct 16 16:33 |
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| trmanco | http://www.italovignoli.org/2008/10/15/this-is-... | Oct 16 16:50 |
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| twitter | :) share | Oct 16 16:52 |
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| twitter | with your friends | Oct 16 16:52 |
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| twitter | Good perspective on latest "bailouts" http://lists.essential.org/piperm... | Oct 16 16:58 |
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| twitter | I've used this analogy before, "Internet space in our country has become the wall of a public toilet," but did not go where these people want to go. | Oct 16 17:06 |
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| twitter | More badness from Korea http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/... | Oct 16 17:06 |
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| twitter | Exploitation still thriving on Wall Street, it's just a little more personal and less lucrative than before. http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/10/11/2008-... | Oct 16 17:08 |
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| twitter | In other news, M$ continues to Slog Yahoo. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20... | Oct 16 17:18 |
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| twitter | How much of the M$ offer was in M$ stock and coupons last time? | Oct 16 17:18 |
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| twitter | No need for anti-trust here, no sir-ree. This would not be like that non exclusive deal Google wants. | Oct 16 17:20 |
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| twitter | :P | Oct 16 17:21 |
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| twitter | Will M$ buy Yahoo with M$ debt or M$ shares this time? | Oct 16 17:22 |
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| twitter | I can make Yahoo a better offer. 6 rolls of toilet paper and the promise to not fire anyone. M$ licensing costs and the elimination of bonuses should cover salaries for a while. | Oct 16 17:24 |
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| twitter | Here comes the usual election time gasoline price drop http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/business/worldb... | Oct 16 17:25 |
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| twitter | I wonder if Exxon will still rack up another "best year ever". I'd bet a nickel on it. | Oct 16 17:26 |
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| twitter | More M$ hype and vapor, going for "limited" "instant on" http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/230988/wind... | Oct 16 17:32 |
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| twitter | ACPI was supposed to give people the "full" OS experience quickly, their vaporware announcement is really an admission of power management failure. | Oct 16 17:34 |
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| twitter | but ha - ha, Bill Gates, GNU/Linux works great. | Oct 16 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | The Down Jones is almost Up Jones now. | Oct 16 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: a friend of mine reckons an intl' currency will be introduced. I doubt it though. | Oct 16 18:41 |
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| MinceR | jonesin' up and down? | Oct 16 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's like a trampoline. Strangely enough, I haven't seen RMS saying anything about it yet. Even Mark Shuttleworth blogged it. Linux CEOs talked about it too. | Oct 16 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Chart: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia... | Oct 16 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | isn't it constantly dropping? | Oct 16 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, fluctuates, but overall down. I get all my financial news from Beranger : Funny < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... >, also funny < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... > and < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am... >: "Galbraith's “The Great Crash 1929”" | Oct 16 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | "[...] In 1928, the richest 5 per cent of the population took in more than a third of all personal income. They averaged less than a quarter for most of the post-war period, but inequality began to rise sharply from the Eighties. In the past two or three years, the top 5 per cent have again made up to 38 per cent of all personal income, according to US data compiled by Emmanuel Saez, economist at the University of California." | Oct 16 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Galbraith calls it "devastation by reverse leverage". He describes a corporate pyramid, with vast holding companies controlling large segments of the utility, railroad and entertainment business." | Oct 16 18:55 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i have it as my desktop background | Oct 16 18:56 |
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| PetoKraus | the 1280x800 image, that is | Oct 16 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Could set it to gradient red shades in KDE3. | Oct 16 18:57 |
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| PetoKraus | gradient red shades? | Oct 16 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | All down. | Oct 16 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | But then you'd be labeled an "anarchist". | Oct 16 18:59 |
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| MinceR | and that's a bad thing? | Oct 16 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, if you live in a police state, it can make life inconvenient: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21192/1054/ . A lot of this goes to the genesis of the Free software movement and what RMS foresaw in technology. | Oct 16 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | "The news for Australian Internet users just keeps getting worse," said EFA Board member Colin Jacobs. "We have legitimate concerns with the creeping scope of this unprecedented interference in our communications infrastructure. It's starting to look like nothing less than a | Oct 16 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | comprehensive program of real-time Internet censorship." | Oct 16 19:01 |
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| twitter | :'( like China. | Oct 16 19:13 |
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| twitter | Up nearly 11%. Crazy. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL | Oct 16 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | oh :D | Oct 16 19:14 |
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| twitter | Still under $5.00, haha. | Oct 16 19:15 |
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| twitter | The swings are so wild they show that the valuation is arbitrary, making it worth nothing real. | Oct 16 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | As long as Netware sinks, so will Novell's value. They buy back stock. | Oct 16 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Jobs to quit Apple : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n... | Oct 16 19:17 |
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| twitter | 5%, 38%, that's bad news. | Oct 16 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Good time to leave, if true. | Oct 16 19:17 |
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| twitter | Another Apple rumor? Sheesh. | Oct 16 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Probably. Like Gates 'retiring' (to bribe people for Windows) | Oct 16 19:18 |
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| twitter | What a flip and insulting article. Do they dish out the same treatment for M$ tools? | Oct 16 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqui... How "marketing melts your brain [...] Propaganda machine [...] Isn’t marketing affecting us a bit too much? Most of us heard of the word fanboy, [...] fanboy or fangirl sometimes by his or her entourage, sometimes by the reputation and advertising of a brand. | Oct 16 19:22 |
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| twitter | At least they link to something worth while http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 | Oct 16 19:22 |
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| twitter | I don't understand the image for that link but it seems to work. http://images.vnu.net/en/gb/inq/pic-... :-D | Oct 16 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | They've had 'worse' | Oct 16 19:24 |
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| twitter | I suppose M$ needed to put a damper on Apple, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL | Oct 16 19:28 |
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| twitter | Can't think of something good for yourself? Make up something bad about your competitors. | Oct 16 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft attempts to sour Apple's laptop launch : http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/10/15/ap5... | Oct 16 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Typical. Like they sabotaged VMware's event and other such things. Or Novell with OOo: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/14... | Oct 16 19:30 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Oct 16 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Did I miss something? | Oct 16 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | I hit CTRL+W | Oct 16 19:31 |
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| MinceR | nothing | Oct 16 19:31 |
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| jose_x | schestowitz, I won't stay long, but did you read this.. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxp... | Oct 16 19:36 |
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| jose_x | it's interesting to read.. | Oct 16 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Who is "Michael Hall"? | Oct 16 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Never heard of him. | Oct 16 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll read it now. | Oct 16 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? "Originally published September 28, 2000, on LinuxPlanet" | Oct 16 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | They do 8-year-old reruns now? | Oct 16 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Boy, it must be quite some recession if they need to bring back writers from the last decade -- provocative ones too. | Oct 16 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "You can download a pppoe client for your machine, but you'll have to look it up on Google. The installers don't mind dual-boot machines, but have it booted into Windows in case you get a belligerent one. Oh... I wasn't here. I didn't say this."" | Oct 16 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | "That's why I'm Microsoft certified now... I'm one of a special group that got to beta test Windows 98 for free!" Wow! Win98. That's more modern than errr. .. Mandriva 2009? No, maybe Mandrake 6 or something with KDE 1.9 | Oct 16 19:41 |
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| jose_x | that part did sound funny.. sorry, roy, i did not realize it was republished | Oct 16 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | it's nice article tho | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| jose_x | it is nice | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| jose_x | i feel relieved though | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia tries to smile as profits slump < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/16/nokia_q3/ > | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| jose_x | talk about some fud | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Who reran it and why? | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | The date at the top is deceiving. | Oct 16 19:43 |
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| twitter | Look, FUD for Google. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl | Oct 16 19:45 |
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| twitter | grrrr | Oct 16 19:45 |
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| twitter | http://tech.slashdot.org/article... | Oct 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | This phone is probably Linux/Java based and Moto might join forces with Android: Motorola touts touchscreen phone tech to Trekkers < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/... > | Oct 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | CWMike. | Oct 16 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | That's Mike Elgan, a self-confessed "Windows guy" (yes, he calls himself that) | Oct 16 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Roughly Drafted hates him: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/10... (among more) | Oct 16 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Fast charged with 'accounting fraud' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/... > | Oct 16 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Fast Search Charged With Fraud in Norway < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152346/.... > | Oct 16 19:49 |
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| jose_x | does microsoft stand to gain (or lose) if fast was up to funny business? | Oct 16 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is fradulent too. | Oct 16 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | I guess Norway is just more strict when it comes to the law. | Oct 16 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | The SEC let Microsoft go loose after a 'settlement' (yeah, go figure out you can fail yourself out or crime). | Oct 16 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | *bail, not fail | Oct 16 19:57 |
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| twitter | where is Elgan hiding? | Oct 16 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean "hiding"? | Oct 16 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft actually settled at least twice -- first with the whistleblower (Charlie made $4 million out of it), then with the SEC | Oct 16 19:59 |
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| twitter | CWMike ... looking for CW article ... don't see it. | Oct 16 19:59 |
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| twitter | So M$ got jacked when it bought Fast? Ha ha. | Oct 16 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Waste of money. | Oct 16 20:02 |
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| twitter | yeah but a bigger waste than they thought. | Oct 16 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Google still rules enterprise search. Microsoft scrables and clings onto anything that it thinks might save it while angry investors walk away at the sight of a Web-obsessed dinosaur. | Oct 16 20:03 |
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| jose_x | have you guys mentioned yahoo's almost instant 10-15% rise after ballmer made a comment today? | Oct 16 20:03 |
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| twitter | Yeah, I saw that. | Oct 16 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | At the end, Microsoft uses the Burton Group shills I assume to mock Google Apps... never forget that an infected WIndows PC is downtime too... maybe data loss too. | Oct 16 20:03 |
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| twitter | I wondered where a company that's going into debt would get money to buy yet another company. | Oct 16 20:04 |
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| jose_x | when i read about fast, i was thinking that maybe microsoft had ratted them perhaps in an effort to annul the buy or get something from someone.. or maybe they could benefit from excuses | Oct 16 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | I can go /more/ debt. | Oct 16 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | It was going to borrow $20 billion or so in March | Oct 16 20:04 |
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| jose_x | i also pondered just as i was starting to read it that maybe ms might use them to hide their own funny business | Oct 16 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, share the washing cycle. Let the laundry begun. | Oct 16 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | *begin | Oct 16 20:05 |
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| twitter | looks more like distraction than serious talk | Oct 16 20:05 |
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| twitter | All part of the slog | Oct 16 20:06 |
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| jose_x | twitter, if people think ms is gold then they will buy their debt offerings for whatever % gain ms offers | Oct 16 20:06 |
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| twitter | Why would anyone think a company that turned $60 billion cash into $20 billion debt was "gold"? | Oct 16 20:07 |
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| twitter | Golden flow smells like urine. | Oct 16 20:08 |
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| jose_x | ms doesn't plead for money.. with noses high in the air they walk into a fed auction and expect everyone to drop what they are doing in order to go bid for their really really safe debt at say 1 or 2% since they are as good as a central bank if not better | Oct 16 20:09 |
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| jose_x | :-P | Oct 16 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Finance Ministry of Latvia: gradual transition to open source software at government institutions should be careful considerated < http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/finances/?doc=6184 > | Oct 16 20:09 |
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| twitter | FUD. Like ESR pointed out TCO is on free software's side. The sooner they get out of M$, the more they save. | Oct 16 20:12 |
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| twitter | What's going on with the Munich migration? Sweaty B been skiing lately? | Oct 16 20:13 |
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| twitter | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/80071 | Oct 16 20:14 |
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| twitter | That's from late 2006. | Oct 16 20:14 |
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| jose_x | the latvia finance ministry guy talking smells bought | Oct 16 20:17 |
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| twitter | or confused | Oct 16 20:18 |
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| jose_x | in any case, ms hooks you on an expensive deal and then that is supposed to serve as a motivator for sticking with them. | Oct 16 20:18 |
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| jose_x | you already paid 10 trillion for it.. might as well use it | Oct 16 20:18 |
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| jose_x | we should call them out on that tactic | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| twitter | but the new version is so much better when they want to sell you that | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| jose_x | this way after these governments make the deal, they will look foolish | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| twitter | When it comes to M$, you have to live in the future. | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| jose_x | and not fooled | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| jose_x | and conned | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it goes backwards. | Oct 16 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | XP -> Vista = downgrade WS03->WS08 = worse uptime | Oct 16 20:20 |
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| twitter | M$ always says the old version had problems and the new version may not be stable but you will love the features. | Oct 16 20:20 |
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| twitter | If you imagine yourself five years from now, you realize that the new version is a turd too. | Oct 16 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Features... new wallpapers, more 'rights' (digital restriction).. | Oct 16 20:21 |
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| _Doug | 'the “Microsoft Office SharePointServer” platform is used extensively in the work of several departments of the ministry. The Finance Ministry points out that there is no analog to this Microsoft platform that would meet the ministry’s criteria and be worth the investments that have already been made into the Microsoft platform' | Oct 16 20:24 |
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| _Doug | http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/fin... | Oct 16 20:24 |
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| _Doug | Datorzinibu Centrs Ltd, Contact person, Signe Balina; | Oct 16 20:26 |
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| _Doug | "Recently, company has begun to deliver Microsoft Business Solutions (Axapta, Navision, CRM)" | Oct 16 20:26 |
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| _Doug | http://www.epristart.org/epristart/partnerpool... | Oct 16 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: brainwashed or just shill? | Oct 16 20:28 |
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| _Doug | a bit of both and some $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | Oct 16 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Well, what about the World B0rk? | Oct 16 20:29 |
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| _Doug | What does SharePoint do that can't be done in OpenSo~1 | Oct 16 20:29 |
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| _Doug | "SharePoint sites are actually ASP.NET 2.0 applications, which are served using IIS and use a SQL Server database as data storage backend." | Oct 16 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | I was trying to find news about it being hacked. Look how much news about it today: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&n... | Oct 16 20:30 |
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| _Doug | Java + a browser + a database .. | Oct 16 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | SharePoint is just lockin under a new umbrella. I hear the banks in Europe have a real "hardon" (not my word) for it. | Oct 16 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but Java does not come from a company that knows how to Hoover money thanks to people's stupidity... you know, like those banks in search for like-minded products. | Oct 16 20:32 |
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| _Doug | The question is, how can you tie your whole business to a 'document solution' | Oct 16 20:33 |
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| _Doug | http://www.sharepointalternative.com/ | Oct 16 20:33 |
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| _Doug | And you need more staff to maintain it ... | Oct 16 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | And Gartner to poiint at it. | Oct 16 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's part of The Slog -- shaping of perception. Just look at their simultaneous attack at perceptions about Google. | Oct 16 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | From: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo... Microsoft: "Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry." | Oct 16 20:35 |
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| _Doug | Makes *them* sound more like a cult, than an integrator of inferior software 'solutions' | Oct 16 20:37 |
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| _Doug | What people seem to forget is, that any kind of latest innotative 'solution' reguires people to maintain it, even more so with the Microsoft paradigm .. | Oct 16 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Well, an EU govt. delegate compared Microsoft to Scientology. Go figure... | Oct 16 20:39 |
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| _Doug | At least with Scientology, we get a box with a dial .. | Oct 16 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't matter. Dinner or free lunch in a nicer restaurant is more urgent a matter than long-term expenses. :-) | Oct 16 20:39 |
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| _Doug | ? | Oct 16 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Choice of SharePoint... nothing technical. Pair or sutis, dinner, brochures... at least in the financial sector, I'd imagine... | Oct 16 20:42 |
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| _Doug | Well yea, the non-technical CIO reads about it in PCW and has a free lunch with the distributor and 'recommends' it to finance .. | Oct 16 20:43 |
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| _Doug | They think it'll wrest back control of the tech department from the techies .. :) | Oct 16 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Talk about distraction... http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-241860.html ... well radiation ain't no itch (pun) | Oct 16 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Techies like Mr. Childs? | Oct 16 20:44 |
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| _Doug | Childs ? | Oct 16 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | The anti-admin stance and the Childs case - http://weblog.infoworld.com/venezia/archives/01... | Oct 16 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | San Francisco Admin Charged With Hijacking City's Network - http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200... | Oct 16 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Terry Childs: San Francisco's Imprisoned FiberWAN Administrator - http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/coverag... | Oct 16 20:46 |
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| _Doug | ahh so .. | Oct 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | As the admin turns: San Francisco network soap opera goes on - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2... | Oct 16 20:46 |
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| _Doug | Who is dumb enough to let a single admin have controll of a whole city .. if indeed we can believe them .. | Oct 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Of course, giving sticky notes with passwords to the MBAs would make Dilbert proud and the city more secure. | Oct 16 20:47 |
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| _Doug | Me thinks they are in a state of creative accounts losing :) | Oct 16 20:47 |
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| _Doug | I wonder what really happened ? | Oct 16 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Well.. San Francisco.. CA... 3 trillion in debt? | Oct 16 20:47 |
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| _Doug | "I don't believe it": Victor Meldrew | Oct 16 20:48 |
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| _Doug | Don't tell me they were using 'integrated innov~1' | Oct 16 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | $10.1-trillion national debt? Let's cut taxes! - http://www.latimes.com/news/local/o... | Oct 16 20:49 |
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| _Doug | FiberWAN Administrator: what OS, what system, what security protocols .. like how can they not reset passwords, with physical access to the boxen ? | Oct 16 20:50 |
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| _Doug | what's wrong with cuting taxes, what are you a commie liberal ;) | Oct 16 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Liberal? | Oct 16 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Pay up your taxes for the "liberation" of Iraqis. | Oct 16 20:52 |
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| _Doug | It's a scare word in the US of America | Oct 16 20:52 |
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| _Doug | If you're not for us then you're a liberal .. or too cerebral, like Obama :) | Oct 16 20:53 |
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| _Doug | did you catch the 'debate' last night .. | Oct 16 20:54 |
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| _Doug | McCaine accused Obama of being to articulate :) | Oct 16 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | This is stupid: http://business.pcauthority.com.au/dow... | Oct 16 20:54 |
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| _Doug | Yea, we want some dumb-ass like us in the WhiteHouse .. | Oct 16 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | So Belnder is now: "Platform: Windows 2000,Windows XP,Windows Vista Type: freeware"??? | Oct 16 20:54 |
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| _Doug | Belnder ? | Oct 16 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | But it's PC AUTHORITY. Authority. Yes, they really know what they cover. GPL -> Freeware. Corss-platform -> Windows | Oct 16 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Blender (ignore the typos) | Oct 16 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: Terry Porter is back to COLA. | Oct 16 20:56 |
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| _Doug | who and why is this important | Oct 16 20:58 |
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| _Doug | gtg .. | Oct 16 21:01 |
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| _Doug | back later .. | Oct 16 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Surprisingly, a large number of slot machines run Linux and the GNU system, using off-the-shelf PC motherboards and video cards" http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr... | Oct 16 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Here's what I don't get. Perens is one of those people who put his full name in the headlines and he also /precedes' articles with his bio. | Oct 16 21:11 |
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| twitter | So? No one outside of Slashdot and the UN knows who he is. | Oct 16 21:20 |
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| twitter | He's not a journalist, so he has to tell you who he is the same way a M$ executive should disclose themselves. | Oct 16 21:20 |
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| twitter | Here's a funny, I know someone at WMS Gaming. They are technically clueless, but they work there. | Oct 16 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1006754... "Matt, according to the license agreement, Microsoft lawyers would not agree that Microsoft is "distributing" open source: ;-)" | Oct 16 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | The weasels from Microsoft try to undercut Linux by bundling what they called "communism" and "Cancer" | Oct 16 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/7673486.stm : eBay warning of tough Christmas | Oct 16 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives... - Terrorist Fear Mongering Seems to be Working Less Well ..."BART, the San Francisco subway authority, has been debating allowing passengers to bring drinks on trains... but one reason that makes no sense is that terrorists may bring flammable liquids on board." ... what's next for 'security'? No clothes on train? | Oct 16 21:41 |
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| tessier_ | Macintosh share of the U.S. market tops 9% | Oct 16 21:42 |
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| tessier_ | http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/10... | Oct 16 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Based on /what/? | Oct 16 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | According to some random method that produces pretty graph? | Oct 16 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Gartner and IDC, I see... those that get their wage from the likes of Microsoft and typically slam Apple products. Gartner also said that GNU/Linux is run on 4% of the desktops, FWIW. | Oct 16 21:45 |
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| MinceR | gartner also said that winblows has a lower tco than gnu/linux | Oct 16 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it was paid to say so, no? | Oct 16 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/03... | Oct 16 21:47 |
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| MinceR | indeed it was | Oct 16 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Gartner is a Marketing Company... the economic collapse will hopefully drive these vain shills out of business. | Oct 16 21:48 |
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| tessier_ | Ballmer Speaks, Yahoo’s Market Cap Jumps More Than $3 Billion | Oct 16 21:49 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/16/ballmer-spe... | Oct 16 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer speaks, Hungarian man throws 3 eggs | Oct 16 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S30WdoEHCH4 | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| jose_x | :-) | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| twitter | :) | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| jose_x | ballmer was attentive.. he seemed only to have panicked mildly and recovered | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| jose_x | i'm sure he didn't think it was funny.. | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| jose_x | but we can laugh | Oct 16 21:52 |
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| tessier_ | America Will Remain the Superpower | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| tessier_ | http://online.wsj.com/arti... | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| twitter | He was actually scared. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | He and some other know they commit crimes. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| tessier_ | There's a nice positive long term view of things. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| twitter | So hopes the WSJ. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| jose_x | yeah he was shaken but seemed to recover | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | The financial fraud (alleged, then settled) is just one example. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| jose_x | i would imagine bill g having fared much worse | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| tessier_ | WSJ does make a good point. Other countries seem to have it worse. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| tessier_ | The markets are down everywhere even more than in the US. | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | WSJ depends on the market | Oct 16 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | No Wall Street = no WSJ | Oct 16 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | =the very same writers have no jobs. | Oct 16 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | I read the whole thing a few weeks ago... it was filled to the rim with fear. | Oct 16 21:54 |
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| tessier_ | WSJ covers a lot more than just the physical activities that happen on wall street. As long as people are investing somewhere there will be a WSJ. | Oct 16 21:54 |
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| jose_x | fear ... sell sell sell | Oct 16 21:54 |
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| jose_x | the people's faces on pictures appear so fake | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Unless they create something more global. | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Still, the WSJ's expertise is the US market. | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| jose_x | the traders' faces.. i wonder if that is intended | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | This can't be good for their subscriber$$ | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | They already lose quite a bite due to the Web, IIRC. | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| tessier_ | hmm....WaMu and other big banks were perceived as being too big to fail. Microsoft is too. I hope they are analagous. | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | They considered making all the content free online | Oct 16 21:55 |
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| jose_x | can't you just walk onto a subway with a bunch of deadly diseases on you.. | Oct 16 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is checking WaMu for the money these days. | Oct 16 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Can't trust banks anymore.. | Oct 16 21:56 |
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| jose_x | you might even have the cure for yourself | Oct 16 21:56 |
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| jose_x | and yet no coca cola allowed | Oct 16 21:56 |
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| jose_x | we can do outreach to potential terrorists.. | Oct 16 21:57 |
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| jose_x | gates can serve us well here | Oct 16 21:57 |
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| twitter | Their grip on Byzantine history is not so good. | Oct 16 21:58 |
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| jose_x | he can distract and convince anyone of anything | Oct 16 21:58 |
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| jose_x | by outreach i mean to reach out to them and have them realize they have nothing to gain but.. instead can buy this great MS product and achieve nirvana | Oct 16 21:59 |
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| twitter | debt? | Oct 16 21:59 |
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| jose_x | i think gates can convert terrorists into relatively harmless zombies | Oct 16 21:59 |
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| twitter | Like China? Good luck with that. | Oct 16 21:59 |
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| jose_x | mr gates, are you listening? hope this message is passed on to him by the lurkers here | Oct 16 22:00 |
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| *jose_x is now known as jose | Oct 16 22:03 |
| jose | testing | Oct 16 22:04 |
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| twitter | OK, jose | Oct 16 22:05 |
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| jose | thanks.. that was the first time i changed nick on irc | Oct 16 22:05 |
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| jose | one tiny step for mankind, but a leap for me | Oct 16 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Someone is challenging Perens in BN. | Oct 16 22:06 |
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| jose | where | Oct 16 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Posted minutes ago in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/16/apache... : "Are people supposed to take Perens' claim at face value, or are you planning to also paste a link to some sort of proof? You know, proof." | Oct 16 22:06 |
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| twitter | Typical troll claim. No counter argument or references, just harassment. | Oct 16 22:07 |
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| MinceR | lol | Oct 16 22:08 |
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| twitter | and confusing bullshit. | Oct 16 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | The poster has no listed IP, I think. | Oct 16 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | But it's not as though it came from a black hole like thrashers. | Oct 16 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's prejudiced, but I consider that a flag. | Oct 16 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | SUSE delays: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/10/16... | Oct 16 22:11 |
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| twitter | http://apache.slashdot.org/apache/0... | Oct 16 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | More delays: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/10/... | Oct 16 22:12 |
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| twitter | Thanks for the E17 and other embedded links today. I pushed several of them into a Slashdot story that was actually accepted. http://mobile.slashdot.org/article... | Oct 16 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | I notice that Xen (Citrix) has also just adopted LGPL for their news preview/product. | Oct 16 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Does Microsoft has special reason to be drawn into LGPL? | Oct 16 22:14 |
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| twitter | It is less protective than GPL. | Oct 16 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Oct 16 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Many good links in one story. | Oct 16 22:15 |
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| twitter | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html | Oct 16 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | I see noad hominem troll comments in /. | Oct 16 22:16 |
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| twitter | interesting. | Oct 16 22:17 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, though they went on bashing E :) | Oct 16 22:17 |
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| twitter | according to gnu, you should only use lgpl, "when a free library's features are readily available for proprietary software through other alternative libraries. In that case, the library cannot give free software any particular advantage, so it is better to use the Lesser GPL for that library" | Oct 16 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | For future reference (since I don't trust Xentric): "On Tuesday, Citrix Systems released a technology preview of Project Kensho as | open source software under the Lesser General Public License (LGPL). It is | available as a free download on the Citrix Developer Network." http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.... | Oct 16 22:17 |
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| twitter | LGPL looks like the next evolution in license FUD and sucker draw in. It may take the place of BSD, etc. in their nonsense. | Oct 16 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: because it's a yellow E, not a Blue E(R) | Oct 16 22:18 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Oct 16 22:19 |
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| MinceR | are you going to bash LGPL now? | Oct 16 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft spreads lots of GPL FUD | Oct 16 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | They have Word documents tossing FUD at it, mischaracterising it like they always do | Oct 16 22:19 |
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| twitter | The trolls are still busy with earlier posts of mine. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=998093... | Oct 16 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: no, it's just that Xen is/was GPL and now I see their product having the "lesser" added. | Oct 16 22:20 |
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| MinceR | ic | Oct 16 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's mainly a Windows product.. desktop hypervisor. | Oct 16 22:20 |
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| twitter | and http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99... | Oct 16 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Troll/AstroTurf tactics. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Insult user. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Then mod up the insult. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Mod down the poster. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| twitter | the usual. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | If the poster defends himself, mod it down quickly. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | If the poster accuses the others of trolling, use words like "tinfoil" and paranoid", then mod down. | Oct 16 22:21 |
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| twitter | the E17 story seems to have caught them by surprise. | Oct 16 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Mod up comments saying "tinfoil" and "paranoid" | Oct 16 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Rinse and repeat | Oct 16 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | If poster walks away from site, CH-Ching! please proceed to payment from SweatyB. | Oct 16 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Warcraft sorcerers with mana, casting spells on one another. | Oct 16 22:23 |
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| PetoKraus | doh, the computers i'd like to get are so expensive | Oct 16 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | What about those GBP3000? ;-) | Oct 16 22:26 |
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| PetoKraus | :) they didn't arrive yet. | Oct 16 22:27 |
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| PetoKraus | though, actually, the machines i'd like to get are not made yet | Oct 16 22:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanna something based on AMD Puma | Oct 16 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | My current main PC cost about GBP340 | Oct 16 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | mine is still pretty well priced, specwise | Oct 16 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Excluding the Redmond tax and monitors. | Oct 16 22:31 |
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| twitter | Ick, look what they did to this guy. http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/David_Gerard | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| twitter | trolls. | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Try to avoid NVidia. | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | He's great. | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly know him, but he reads and supports BN | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | i bought it last year - Core 2 Duo T7200, 2GB, 120GB, Dedicated Radeon X1400 for 559 with mouse and backpack - there's not much better deals on right now | Oct 16 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | the prices went up again | Oct 16 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | though, the chassis is crappy - half of glasgow has it (Inspiron 6400) | Oct 16 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: David must really be flattered if he annoyed trolls to the point where he gets so much harassment | Oct 16 22:33 |
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| twitter | got there from here http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?... | Oct 16 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | though what i wanna now is not a massive performance machine, i just want something really wee - ideally something on lines of Toshiba Portege r500. Thinkpads cost craploads, toshiba costs ?1.2k, dell offers are crappy, and i don't like HP THAT much | Oct 16 22:35 |
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| twitter | the real person, http://www.davidgerard.co.uk/ | Oct 16 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | H-P are bad... they spy on journalists and try to push them flatter H-P. They are also buddies of Microsoft, Silverlight and MOOX. | Oct 16 22:36 |
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| twitter | M$ hates Wikipedia. That is what they do to those who run the place. | Oct 16 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | though i'd like to get something like... http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20080626... | Oct 16 22:37 |
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| PetoKraus | freaking hp. | Oct 16 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | David got a good domain: today.com | Oct 16 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Microsoft is 'brushing up' Wikipedia now. | Oct 16 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | They glorify their technology and people in it. I've seen examples and you can track IPs too. Microsoft pays for that type of stuff. | Oct 16 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | I've just subscribed to David's blog | Oct 16 22:40 |
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| twitter | Looks like a clueful person. | Oct 16 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, he comments in BN are alright. He wouldn't be smeared if he didn't make sense. Those who make fools of themselves don't need the 'help' of others in discrediting their message the ad hominem way. | Oct 16 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Here is Enlightenment in a new article: http://www.linux.com/feature/150103 | Oct 16 22:49 |
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| jose | when did the ms godaddy deal first take place? | Oct 16 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | 2006 I think | Oct 16 23:18 |
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| jose | yes, nevermind, i found a link | Oct 16 23:18 |
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| jose | thanks. .. i'll reply to betto soon | Oct 16 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | There's more. | Oct 16 23:18 |
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| jose | for example straight from ms land http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/20... | Oct 16 23:19 |
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| jose | "Go Daddy to transition all its parked domains from Linux to Microsoft." | Oct 16 23:19 |
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| jose | it doesn't get more explicit than that from the horses mouth | Oct 16 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 16 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Perens wasn't even sure. | Oct 16 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | It was imporant for Microsoft, in a formal PR, to describe this also as a loss for Linux. | Oct 16 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Not just gaming against Apache. | Oct 16 23:20 |
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| jose | the search link was this btw http://www.google.com/searc... | Oct 16 23:25 |
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| jose | microsoft godaddy parked domains | Oct 16 23:25 |
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| jose | it shows many other articles so there may be more interesting things in there | Oct 16 23:26 |
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| jose | april 2006 btw | Oct 16 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Submitted to Slashdot under headline "GoDaddy.com Dumps Linux for Microsoft" by http://www.dixie-chicks.com/ (*NIX server) | Oct 16 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | It would be interesting to go back and see how much noise Microsoft made in the media over this. Maybe an inclusion in some shiny brochure of 'case studies' too. | Oct 16 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | I guess only Bob Parson knows the truth about what happened. | Oct 16 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bobparsons.tv/Wanttosuperchargeyour... | Oct 16 23:31 |
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| jose | >> saying that they'll provide 'a technology platform that is security-enhanced, highly scalable and easy to manage.' | Oct 16 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | GoDaddy head: "I give credit for this rule to Bill Gates of Microsoft. I noticed over the years that it is rare that Microsoft gets it right the first time they release any new product. However, because they never stop development on their products, eventually they get it right and eventually their products become either the best available in their particular category, or one of the best." | Oct 16 23:31 |
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| MinceR | rotfl | Oct 16 23:32 |
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| jose | the wording gives impression that Linux is not as secure as scalable or easy to manage | Oct 16 23:32 |
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| MinceR | they let drooling idiots like that lead companies? | Oct 16 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Well, maybe they got $$. | Oct 16 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | In$$entives. | Oct 16 23:35 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 16 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Shit. | Oct 16 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | I think my GPU is bad. | Oct 16 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Gone semi dark for a moment. | Oct 16 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Stupid NVidia. | Oct 16 23:39 |
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