10.23.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 22nd, 2008 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:20 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/law…	Oct 22 20:35
schestowitz	The Special Forces should bust Microsoft’s office and crack down on this act of political and practical corruption.	Oct 22 20:36
schestowitz	Crime in daylight, but nobody seems to ccare	Oct 22 20:36
schestowitz	“The farmers may have had another reason. Rudy Arredondo, the chief executive of the Latino farmers group, confirmed that his organization became involved in the issue after talking to lobbyists at the Raben Group. The Raben Group received $30,000 this spring to lobby against the deal – from Google’s rival, Microsoft, which wanted to buy Yahoo.”	Oct 22 20:37
schestowitz	Microsoft sues Rochester firm for piracy : http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/temp…	Oct 22 20:40
schestowitz	Ultimate drug: http://www.charlatan.ca/index.php?option=…	Oct 22 20:42
schestowitz	Microsoft’s Role In GOOG-YHOO Delay: Outlobbying < http://www.paidcontent.org/entr… >	Oct 22 20:44
schestowitz	“Meanwhile, Microsoft spent the intervening months lobbying everyone—regulators, other lobbyists, anyone who might be willing to raise a doubt about the anti-competitive possibilities. In the process, they drew some support—or at least, some doubt-raising—from some of those who gave the Redmond company grief over anti-trust issues.”	Oct 22 20:45
schestowitz	“Google both blames Microsoft for working “hard from behind the scenes to generate much of the opposition to this deal” and tries to dismiss it. And Microsoft doesn’t want credit for this one, with a spokesman telling the Times: “There’s an old rule in debate: if you’re not winning on substance, talk about the process.””	Oct 22 20:45
schestowitz	More MS lawsuits: http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories… http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/busine…	Oct 22 20:46
twitter	Bush rigged the DOJ. That will be undone soon.	Oct 22 20:47
twitter	Interesting big lie, ” Microsoft has long pushed the idea that its products make up a small but essential part of corporate technology spending and that its software and its markets are diverse and not overly exposed to any one area.”	Oct 22 20:49
twitter	Large, non essential, and all very niche if essential.	Oct 22 20:50
schestowitz	Where is this from?	Oct 22 20:50
twitter	http://uk.reuters.com/article/reute…	Oct 22 20:52
twitter	the lower expectations article	Oct 22 20:52
schestowitz	They won’t concede defeat.	Oct 22 20:53
schestowitz	I’ll dig it up before the weekend to see all the stuff they embellished. They’ll do a lot of lying tomrorow.	Oct 22 20:53
schestowitz	Where lying = “swapping buckets of loss and win”	Oct 22 20:54
twitter	It’s all defensive though.	Oct 22 20:54
twitter	They don’t have any bright spots or growth prospects.	Oct 22 20:54
twitter	They will also miss their expectations, again. Tisk, tisk.	Oct 22 20:54
schestowitz	July’s report:	Oct 22 20:55
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/…	Oct 22 20:55
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twitter	ha ha, Fast was one of those things they bought wasn’t it?	Oct 22 20:56
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schestowitz	Oracle surrenders and starts buybacks too now: http://www.reuters.com/article/in…	Oct 22 20:57
twitter	A couple of trolls threw the Fast acquisition as evidence that M$ was going to outdo Google, real soon now (TM)	Oct 22 20:57
schestowitz	Bad time spendiong at Microsoft: No strategic fit for Microsoft to buy BlackBerry maker RIM < http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/10/18/no-st… >	Oct 22 20:57
schestowitz	A leaked memo indicated hiring and spendings freeze as well.	Oct 22 20:58
schestowitz	FAST? That’s fraud	Oct 22 20:58
schestowitz	Will get Microsoft to attend the courts for crime now.	Oct 22 20:58
twitter	Yeah, but it looks like they might have burned M$ with it, or did I totally misunderstand the transaction?	Oct 22 20:59
schestowitz	Microsoft must have gone insane to do this: http://www.china.org.cn/china/nationa…	Oct 22 20:59
twitter	I thought Fast made themselves look profitable just long enough to be bought.	Oct 22 20:59
twitter	Yes M$ is insane.	Oct 22 20:59
schestowitz	It’s ALL OVER the press. It’s very bad publicity. It’ll also scare people in the press… scare away from Windows.	Oct 22 20:59
twitter	looking	Oct 22 21:00
schestowitz	They show the ugly side of Windows in public.	Oct 22 21:00
schestowitz	And that’s not even including the DRM in Vista	Oct 22 21:00
twitter	Dude, I told you that was big news.	Oct 22 21:00
schestowitz	Is this a real screenshot?	Oct 22 21:00
schestowitz	Ther’es also one from Malaysia. Wait.	Oct 22 21:00
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schestowitz	http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/0…	Oct 22 21:01
twitter	It not only shows how ugly Windows is, it shows how M$ has no real growth prospects in the rest of the world.	Oct 22 21:01
schestowitz	So tactlless. They don’t make much money from software in 80% of the world (guessed figure).	Oct 22 21:01
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schestowitz	More on DC corruption	Oct 22 21:03
schestowitz	Score one for Washington as Google gets schooled < http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10507 >	Oct 22 21:03
twitter	The black screen thing is a last ditch effort to squeeze some profits out of XP.	Oct 22 21:04
schestowitz	Predictable.	Oct 22 21:04
schestowitz	They even mastered a EULA that permits them to do this, so I don’t think the suit will stand in court.	Oct 22 21:05
twitter	They think they have something that people can’t refuse, like AIDS drugs of something.	Oct 22 21:05
schestowitz	I wonder what trolls in c.o.l.a. will say. I tried disabling my killfile for one week, but went back to it after 1 day	Oct 22 21:05
schestowitz	Well, people’s data and business processes are locked in	Oct 22 21:05
twitter	What data?	Oct 22 21:06
schestowitz	Even a staged migration presents them with issue if they have to buy mega-expensive licences (in China,.. rememeber).	Oct 22 21:06
schestowitz	Documents and sh*	Oct 22 21:06
schestowitz	You can’t flip a business to GNU/Linux overnight. You need some labou to be done migrating	Oct 22 21:06
schestowitz	*labour	Oct 22 21:06
twitter	The sooner you start, the better off you are.	Oct 22 21:07
twitter	It’s not like your computers turn themselves off while you do it …. black screen, oh noes!	Oct 22 21:07
schestowitz	I reallty don’t like all these reports about Mirosoft exec (former) says he ain’t scared of MS: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi…	Oct 22 21:07
pombat42	labor	Oct 22 21:07
schestowitz	PJ says it’s a”manufactured dispute”	Oct 22 21:07
schestowitz	pombat42: yes, that too.	Oct 22 21:08
pombat42	You are correct though. I cringe when I see migration studies because most ignore the fact that the real ROI is	Oct 22 21:08
schestowitz	No wonder Todd Bishop quit. The ‘new guy’ (replacement): http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic…	Oct 22 21:08
pombat42	longterm and that the migration costs are front loaded	Oct 22 21:09
schestowitz	Bishop left on a high note (well, should have retired in 1999 really)	Oct 22 21:09
twitter	“quit”?	Oct 22 21:09
schestowitz	pombat42: there’s an aritcle from Moody today about it.	Oct 22 21:09
pombat42	yes I read that	Oct 22 21:09
schestowitz	Some businesses think short term licence costs (money). Lock-in has exist fencss and costs	Oct 22 21:09
schestowitz	That’s whyt lockin is ‘given’ for free (gratis)	Oct 22 21:10
schestowitz	Lock-in, like userbase, as intangible value.	Oct 22 21:10
pombat42	give them the razor and stick them for the blades	Oct 22 21:10
schestowitz	twitter: yes, he quit	Oct 22 21:10
schestowitz	tessier: One of the big MS gurus	Oct 22 21:10
trmanco	haha	Oct 22 21:10
twitter	Between wine and virtual box, nothing is lost on the desktop.	Oct 22 21:10
trmanco	lovely	Oct 22 21:10
trmanco	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k2JJZMhFaG0	Oct 22 21:10
trmanco	I’ve just become a fan of this dude	Oct 22 21:10
trmanco	became*	Oct 22 21:11
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/18/tod…	Oct 22 21:11
schestowitz	I had arguments with Chris.	Oct 22 21:11
twitter	When and about what?	Oct 22 21:11
trmanco	what kind?	Oct 22 21:11
schestowitz	We’re in good terms though.. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/22/anti…	Oct 22 21:12
schestowitz	Will Microsoft Buy Research in Motion? Not likely: A deal for the BlackBerry maker would be hostile and pricey. Canadian national pride might get in the way, too < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content… > BW doesn’t allow people to link to them, but hey! It’s FAIR USE.	Oct 22 21:14
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schestowitz	PetoKraus: IDG pulled Phoronix.	Oct 22 21:15
PetoKraus	yup	Oct 22 21:15
schestowitz	Wintel ads coming.	Oct 22 21:15
MinceR	pulled?	Oct 22 21:15
schestowitz	Look up article on ATI open source, get DX11 ads	Oct 22 21:16
schestowitz	Well, partnership or acquisition… not too sure yet. I’ll need to speak to Michael. He has always called it a potential partnership	Oct 22 21:16
schestowitz	Imagine what ig Groklaw was bought. By whom?	Oct 22 21:17
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PetoKraus	fuckin’ doh	Oct 22 21:18
PetoKraus	hmm this is pissing me off, seriously	Oct 22 21:21
schestowitz	Funny things is… since I called out that Novell advertising guy in YouTube he has not participated. He’s too shy.	Oct 22 21:21
schestowitz	*thing	Oct 22 21:21
schestowitz	PetoKraus: how so?	Oct 22 21:21
schestowitz	I brought this up in #phoronic	Oct 22 21:21
schestowitz	I brought this up in #phoronix	Oct 22 21:21
twitter	Pulled? Got link?	Oct 22 21:23
PetoKraus	schestowitz: ah, just wine trouble	Oct 22 21:24
schestowitz	Try beer 1.0.1	Oct 22 21:25
schestowitz	Sellout for Microsoft: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Qwx2cJF9Q	Oct 22 21:27
schestowitz	‘FOSS people’ trying to help the monopolist	Oct 22 21:27
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qo1F56zLA http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsDjfbp6mI	Oct 22 21:27
twitter	You were right to call him out for the foolish things he said about the Iowa case. He does not understand class action lawsuits.	Oct 22 21:29
twitter	He’s even confused about how M$ sold it’s software.	Oct 22 21:29
schestowitz	INNOVA~1 heading east: India’s Moon shot takes to the skies< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/c… >	Oct 22 21:30
twitter	The anti-trust cases were not “Witch hunts”	Oct 22 21:30
schestowitz	They just perfume it to themselves.	Oct 22 21:30
schestowitz	He makes a living out of MS	Oct 22 21:30
schestowitz	Like that idiot in these videos posted here.	Oct 22 21:30
schestowitz	Some people sell out society for Black screens of death… for a fast buc.	Oct 22 21:31
twitter	“The market will ultimately decide what is better.” He does not understand anti-trust law either.	Oct 22 21:31
twitter	Anti-trust law corrects problems markets can’t.	Oct 22 21:32
schestowitz	The criminals are taking on aRM with FUD now… http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/…” But an obviously-miffed Intel loves taking potshots at ARM at any opportunity, mainly because ARM has chips in over a billion mobile internet devices and Intel’s are in, ooh, half a dozen or so.”	Oct 22 21:32
schestowitz	Oops. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu…	Oct 22 21:32
schestowitz	YEs, free markets deviate into distortion and monopoly. It’s the govt’s role to correct it.	Oct 22 21:33
twitter	The new Dell Hard On comes with an ARM?	Oct 22 21:33
twitter	That should worry Intel.	Oct 22 21:33
schestowitz	But if the govt is allowed to be corrupted, which it already is because people testify that MS controls the US DOJ and White House, the regulation is lost. The watchers is controlled by that who it’s supposed to watch.	Oct 22 21:34
twitter	If people can do all of their computing for days at a time on a single battery charge, Intel is toast.	Oct 22 21:34
schestowitz	Intel should just be avoided.	Oct 22 21:34
MinceR	not if it’s an Xscale.	Oct 22 21:34
MinceR	re 233921 < twitter> That should worry Intel.	Oct 22 21:34
schestowitz	An HP laptop can do a whole day without charging	Oct 22 21:34
twitter	I’d like an ARM laptop, as long as I could load Debian on it.	Oct 22 21:35
schestowitz	Sadly, President Bush has allowed himself and the Department of Justice to be manipulated by the RIAA and MPAA. On October 13th, he signed the PRO-IP bill into law, ignoring calls to veto it and pretty clear indications that the bill was promoted using completely fabricated statistics. < http://www.defectivebydesign.org/pro-ip-thanks >	Oct 22 21:36
twitter	I know they can be a little slow, from running a Zaurus Colie, but that would not matter if it kept on running for days.	Oct 22 21:36
twitter	Bush was a willing participant in DOJ corruption.	Oct 22 21:37
twitter	Class action lawsuits are not supposed to bring big money to the people in the class.	Oct 22 21:37
twitter	The idea is that small claims not individually worth pursuing can be collected into something large.	Oct 22 21:38
schestowitz	Well, Bush is liable for bigger crimes than that.	Oct 22 21:39
schestowitz	Just left a comment. Bwahaha http://digg.com/tech_news/Hold_…	Oct 22 21:39
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schestowitz	The Microsoft shills will start modding it down shortly, then maybe toss in some slander.	Oct 22 21:40
twitter	Large suits threaten big dumb companies and keep companies honest	Oct 22 21:40
twitter	The war of aggression in Iraq is a big crime.	Oct 22 21:40
schestowitz	204.5-Million lines of code equals one great Linux distribution < http://blogs.computerworld.com/204_5_million_lines_… >	Oct 22 21:41
twitter	But he was able to get away with that crime through media consolidation and other corruption.	Oct 22 21:41
schestowitz	Linux Creator Linus Torvalds, Others Honored In Silicon Valley < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software… >	Oct 22 21:41
schestowitz	Yes, media perpetuates the concepts of those owning it.	Oct 22 21:42
schestowitz	With the control by companies (even the BBC is now ‘owned’ by some), there’s no good way to find news.	Oct 22 21:42
schestowitz	I just rely on blogs and people’s knowledge, not press releases-fed journos	Oct 22 21:42
trmanco	http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworl…	Oct 22 21:43
schestowitz	RMS says you must subsribe to trusted blogs. There’s too much propaganda with words like “piracy” in ‘the media’	Oct 22 21:43
twitter	Blogs are better sources of news than “news” RMS has a great blog.	Oct 22 21:43
schestowitz	Oh, I remember that.	Oct 22 21:43
schestowitz	Isn’t that iamge more than 1 year old?	Oct 22 21:43
twitter	As more real scientists and industry people get into sharing their opinions directly, media owners will be less able to lie.	Oct 22 21:44
trmanco	schestowitz, yes	Oct 22 21:45
trmanco	but its funny	Oct 22 21:45
schestowitz	twitter: go to youtube.	Oct 22 21:45
schestowitz	look for videos from people like Lessig, Chomsky, Knuth…	Oct 22 21:46
schestowitz	Different reality, but nonetheless a real one	Oct 22 21:46
twitter	Have not see Knuth, but Lessig and Chomsky are great.	Oct 22 21:47
schestowitz	They are labeled “controversial”, where the word means something like “speaks openly about corruption”, AKA “dissident”, “extremist”, “anarchist” whatever..	Oct 22 21:47
twitter	the word means, “not controlled by us”	Oct 22 21:47
schestowitz	http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/s… “..whose operating system became the catalyst for the open source software movement that challenged traditional concepts of intellectual property.”	Oct 22 21:48
schestowitz	What system? Oh, the monopolies system… the one where governments give franchises to people who contribute to their campaigns and all.	Oct 22 21:48
schestowitz	RMS is labeled “controversial” in some media that I see. It’s kind of the opposite, ain’t it? Depends on whose side you’re on. I find the US Republicans rather “controversial”	Oct 22 21:49
schestowitz	This SUSE blog is ‘marketing’ a lot of Mono junk: http://www.susegeek.com/desktop/gnome-do-launcher-t…	Oct 22 21:51
pombat42	The current Republicans have no clue what the US Joe the Plumber needs	Oct 22 21:51
schestowitz	Oil	Oct 22 21:52
pombat42	funny.	Oct 22 21:52
pombat42	McCain doesn’t even know how many houses he owns!	Oct 22 21:53
MinceR	he can’t count that far	Oct 22 21:53
pombat42	I figured he forgot senility!	Oct 22 21:53
schestowitz	He has an abacus	Oct 22 21:54
schestowitz	And lobbyists.	Oct 22 21:54
MinceR	but he doesn’t know how to use it	Oct 22 21:54
pombat42	and hands and toes!	Oct 22 21:54
schestowitz	I’ll post this video just before the elections: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtk3PMfU8s	Oct 22 21:54
pombat42	he scares me although I do like Palin. she seems fresh and not saddled with Washington politics.	Oct 22 21:55
schestowitz	Haha.	Oct 22 21:56
schestowitz	Don’t be deceived by looks. That’s what they try to achieve.	Oct 22 21:56
schestowitz	It’s like McCain+pom pons for office.	Oct 22 21:57
pombat42	she’s cute no doubt…I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said “Alaska:our climate is cold but our Gov is hot!”	Oct 22 21:58
pombat42	But then we have Obama. He seems empty to me	Oct 22 21:58
schestowitz	Alaska = corruption too	Oct 22 21:58
pombat42	so what isn’t?	Oct 22 21:59
schestowitz	http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&a…	Oct 22 21:59
pombat42	Barney Frank: Fanny/Freddy mac are doing fine	Oct 22 21:59
schestowitz	Sen. Ted Stevens’ corruption trial goes to jury: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/s…	Oct 22 21:59
pombat42	I’m a Nadar supporter BTW	Oct 22 21:59
schestowitz	Alaskan senator trial nears end : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/a…	Oct 22 21:59
pombat42	Nader	Oct 22 21:59
schestowitz	This always reminds me of Novell allegedly bribing someone for the Winter Games to come to Slat Lake City. I can’t recall the details.	Oct 22 22:00
pombat42	There is a fine line between lobbying and whoring.	Oct 22 22:00
schestowitz	If times get rough, Freddy and Fanny will need to east Mac… and get food poisoning, the die out.	Oct 22 22:01
schestowitz	*wat	Oct 22 22:01
schestowitz	*wat	Oct 22 22:01
schestowitz	I can’t type well.	Oct 22 22:01
pombat42	eat Mac and you WILL get the mein! (I can’t type well either!!!)	Oct 22 22:01
schestowitz	Lobbyist if “legalised corruption”	Oct 22 22:01
pombat42	yep	Oct 22 22:01
schestowitz	It’s a constraint (or lack thereof) that limits govt from being just another big business… corporate umbrella enslaving people.	Oct 22 22:02
schestowitz	Think about a situation where the lobbyists themselves inherit the role of those whom they lobby	Oct 22 22:02
schestowitz	That would be essentially like electing CEOs of companies and their conies to run a country and maximalise their industry’s needs at the expense of votes.	Oct 22 22:03
schestowitz	* (correction of typos) Lobbying is “legalised corruption”	Oct 22 22:03
pombat42	The USA is NOT a democracy. It is a oligopoly…God that’s awful but what I mean is it is run by big business.	Oct 22 22:03
pombat42	IOW my vote doesn’t count as much as General Motors	Oct 22 22:04
schestowitz	You live in the US, right?	Oct 22 22:04
pombat42	yes I do	Oct 22 22:04
schestowitz	No, your vote counts like anybody’s…	Oct 22 22:05
schestowitz	But…	Oct 22 22:05
schestowitz	Those whom you elect are RUN (vehicled so to speak) by GM.	Oct 22 22:05
pombat42	well that’s kind of what I mean. In an election a vote is a vote but after the election, what voice do I have?	Oct 22 22:05
schestowitz	Vote Obama, get Biden (Biden =RIAA/MPAA)	Oct 22 22:05
pombat42	That’s why I like Nader	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	Vote McCain, get maximal Microsoft cronyism	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	You lose either way	Oct 22 22:06
pombat42	For me it’s mostly economics	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	I don’t know Gonzalez, though.	Oct 22 22:06
trmanco	oh great	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	nader had a good piece of Microsoft.	Oct 22 22:06
trmanco	Linux kernel 2.6.27.3 released	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	let me find it.	Oct 22 22:06
schestowitz	Located at the bottom here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/…	Oct 22 22:07
pombat42	I like the guy because even if I disagree with him, he tells it like it is. No punches held	Oct 22 22:07
pombat42	3rd parties are dead in the water in USA however. Thank the media for that	Oct 22 22:07
schestowitz	Opera 9.61 for Linux i386 < http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml >	Oct 22 22:07
pombat42	Opera rulez!! (I’m Norwegian BTW)	Oct 22 22:08
schestowitz	I was in Norwegian Society.	Oct 22 22:09
schestowitz	(because I had many friends there)	Oct 22 22:09
pombat42	Opera is good enough for IBM to use as the GUI/browser in their P and I series machines.	Oct 22 22:11
schestowitz	Well, IBM doesn’t care about Free sofwtare,	Oct 22 22:11
schestowitz	I used Opera several times, but then found FF	Oct 22 22:11
schestowitz	I’d possibly change if Hakom and the team decided that exposing source code won’t make the sky fall	Oct 22 22:12
pombat42	IBM is to be watched, carefully. They are not as foolish as Microsoft but are just as dangerous.	Oct 22 22:13
schestowitz	Yes, with patents and all.	Oct 22 22:15
schestowitz	They ignored me when I asked them to resist patents.	Oct 22 22:15
schestowitz	Hehe. http://molom.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/i…	Oct 22 22:17
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schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/152…: Tata Financial Results Hit by Economic Slowdown	Oct 22 22:22
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… “TCS announced earlier this month that it had reached an agreement to acquire Citigroup’s interest in Citigroup Global Services, its BPO (business process outsourcing) arm in India, for about $505 million in cash. As part of the deal TCS through Citigroup Global Services will provide $2.5 billion worth of services to Citigroup and its affiliates over the next nine and a half	Oct 22 22:23
schestowitz	years.”	Oct 22 22:23
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/15… “Use Gmail, Go to Jail? [...] And Google did initially fight the request until ordered by the court. But once the legal hammer came down, Google rolled over — just as it has in similar cases in Israel and India.”	Oct 22 22:24
pombat42	I read someplace that IBM has a patent that involves the cursor wrapping to the next line after 80 columns of text	Oct 22 22:24
pombat42	If true that’s insane	Oct 22 22:25
schestowitz	Maybe an old patent	Oct 22 22:25
schestowitz	IBM is a sleeping monster.	Oct 22 22:25
pombat42	could be	Oct 22 22:25
schestowitz	http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/… “So it all comes back to the same old story– don’t trust the suits because their business models are based on exploitation, and even when they profit handsomely from Linux it’s shameful and not mentioned in polite company.”	Oct 22 22:25
pombat42	IBM sits, watches and then reacts. Microsoft reacts off the cuff. Different methods IMHO	Oct 22 22:26
schestowitz	Microsoft’s ‘puppets’ (accomplices) in India see profits fall: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152603/.html?tk=rss_news	Oct 22 22:26
schestowitz	IBM also fakes “Open”	Oct 22 22:27
schestowitz	FSF warns about them all.. Sun too.	Oct 22 22:27
schestowitz	From http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article… :	Oct 22 22:27
schestowitz	“The trouble with Microsoft, according to Brown, is that it is a company just like any other company, and “companies don’t have any intrinsic values. The only mission statement you need to be aware of so far as a corporation is concerned is the one that says, ‘We’re here to make money.’” With this outlook, Brown does not trust Microsoft — but neither does he particularly trust other companies, whether they are proprietary like App	Oct 22 22:28
schestowitz	le or have business models that include open source, such as Google or Red Hat.”	Oct 22 22:28
schestowitz	It annoys me that PJ (in GL) kind of cheers for Apple these days. Against those lawsuits… along with these financial results… I think she uses/d a Mac	Oct 22 22:29
pombat42	Apple is a company that is right out in the open. Either you agree or disagree with them. I like them	Oct 22 22:29
schestowitz	Mainly/only she uses GNU/Linux (Mandriva before her last computer broke down), but I never asked about the Apple thing in the mail headers.	Oct 22 22:29
pombat42	companies support their stock holders. nothing more nothing less	Oct 22 22:30
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… “However, in statements from both Google and Yahoo, the companies remained confident, and that any delay in plans is voluntary while they work things out with the DOJ, and not because of any injunction.”	Oct 22 22:31
schestowitz	pombat42: there should be laws for ethics… now there’s just degradation of these… police state and all…	Oct 22 22:31
pombat42	I feel their should be accountability, legally. IOW if say AID execs ran the company into the ground knowingly they should be punished	Oct 22 22:34
pombat42	AIG	Oct 22 22:34
schestowitz	They get fined at best.	Oct 22 22:35
schestowitz	http://www.cultivated.ca/wp-content/gallery…	Oct 22 22:35
schestowitz	Them Sugar Daddy comes with some money and bails them out. Steve Jobs too BTW.	Oct 22 22:35
pombat42	I know. And walk away with millions	Oct 22 22:35
schestowitz	You mentioned Apple, well… they too did some funny financial stuff and rescued Jobs from prosecution as I understand it.	Oct 22 22:36
schestowitz	Tech layoffs: The scorecard (updated) : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10069195-92.h…	Oct 22 22:36
pombat42	they all do. I happen to like their products	Oct 22 22:36
schestowitz	SanDisk layoffs appear to be in the works : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_…	Oct 22 22:36
schestowitz	If enough of these companies collapse, there will be a need to prevent more banking corruptions like the one we’re suffering from right now.	Oct 22 22:37
pombat42	Sandisk makes nice stuff	Oct 22 22:37
pombat42	it all boils down to greed	Oct 22 22:37
schestowitz	Yes, human nature.	Oct 22 22:37
pombat42	yep	Oct 22 22:37
schestowitz	It needs to be regulated	Oct 22 22:37
schestowitz	The system lacks teeth	Oct 22 22:38
schestowitz	And one a leader gains a chair, the promises are forgotten	Oct 22 22:38
schestowitz	Obama too	Oct 22 22:38
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nJzz0ivxQ	Oct 22 22:38
pombat42	but then we are right back to govt, the riaa, mpa etc..what’s the solution? I don’t know	Oct 22 22:38
pombat42	Obama is a phony	Oct 22 22:38
schestowitz	Let the dinosaurs fall	Oct 22 22:38
schestowitz	They are killing themselves by spawning more and more eggs (acquisitions) they can’t’ contain. They also piss of all the other… errr… animals, who then start Free Culture and Creative Commons.	Oct 22 22:39
schestowitz	{Obama will Save Your Planet}^TM	Oct 22 22:39
schestowitz	Wow…. like an angel… http://www.barackobama.com/	Oct 22 22:40
schestowitz	Still, better than McCain.	Oct 22 22:40
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden	Oct 22 22:41
schestowitz	Look how heavily it’s edited: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph…	Oct 22 22:41
pombat42	they all suck IMHO	Oct 22 22:47
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/ : ” Support the Green Party; Nader for President “	Oct 22 22:49
schestowitz	Wow. I didn’t realise he’s for Nader.	Oct 22 22:49
schestowitz	I love the flag he puts on the left: ” America Means Civil Liberties, Patriotism Means Protecting Them.”	Oct 22 22:51
schestowitz	“Don’t Buy Harry Potter Books”	Oct 22 22:51
schestowitz	LOL Well, I never saw this front page… ” People often ask how I manage to continue devoting myself to progressive activism (such as the free software movement) for years without burning out. The best way I can answer is by recommending a book, The Lifelong Activist by Hillary Rettig.”	Oct 22 22:52
pombat42	No candidate is perfect. none. what each voter has to determine is what is most important to them	Oct 22 22:58
schestowitz	I don’t agree that’s the point to stress.	Oct 22 22:59
pombat42	McCaine wants to give the rich the tax breaks and hope it trickles down to the masses, ala Regan.	Oct 22 22:59
schestowitz	The candidacy is not the issue.	Oct 22 22:59
schestowitz	It’s the structure and operation of the system.	Oct 22 22:59
pombat42	Obama wants to steal from the rich to help the poor	Oct 22 22:59
pombat42	Either way, the middle class more or less loses, albeit less under Obama	Oct 22 23:00
schestowitz	It’s ripe for abuse. Unless this is stopped, there will be a third Great Depression or whatever.	Oct 22 23:00
schestowitz	I think we’re just at the _very down_ of a second one.	Oct 22 23:00
schestowitz	*dawn	Oct 22 23:00
schestowitz	Obama wants… haha.	Oct 22 23:00
schestowitz	Well, he says something…	Oct 22 23:00
pombat42	The system is not going anywhere. Too much $$$ and too many ignorant masses that are high on sports, Hollywood etc	Oct 22 23:01
schestowitz	Is there a middle class left in the US?	Oct 22 23:01
schestowitz	left as in remaining, not Dems	Oct 22 23:01
pombat42	getting smaller by the day.. mostl;y rich and poor	Oct 22 23:01
schestowitz	Yes, you call it that, I call it “sports & celebs”	Oct 22 23:01
pombat42	same thing. worshipping garbage is what it is	Oct 22 23:02
schestowitz	It keeps people distracted and not aware of the abuse of the system, for which they are blindly grateful… until a Depression	Oct 22 23:02
schestowitz	Credit, credit, creitt.. what’s NOT to love??	Oct 22 23:02
pombat42	IA very smart person once told me “sports etc” is the heroin of the middle class	Oct 22 23:03
pombat42	IOW get them hooked and they could care less who is running the show	Oct 22 23:03
pombat42	It has worked	Oct 22 23:03
schestowitz	Well, it’s peer effect also.	Oct 22 23:04
pombat42	yep. the lemming effect.	Oct 22 23:04
schestowitz	Another fixation is a life structural one.	Oct 22 23:04
pombat42	?	Oct 22 23:04
schestowitz	People are being channeled into a certain expectancy where television helps the formation of these expectation.	Oct 22 23:04
pombat42	agreed	Oct 22 23:05
schestowitz	A girl watching Snow White expects to do the dishes for the ‘men’ and men expect to follow the usual route of college ->job->car->marriage->house->children->debt->whatever.	Oct 22 23:05
schestowitz	It’s good for the corporations.	Oct 22 23:05
pombat42	B4 I retired I used to ride the train 100 miles into the city and the first thing I noticed was how they would turn the morning paper over to the sports section	Oct 22 23:06
pombat42	then they would gabby about who did what etc.	Oct 22 23:06
pombat42	my reaction was who cares? the game is over	Oct 22 23:06
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 22 23:06
pombat42	look to the future	Oct 22 23:06
schestowitz	My family watches a lot of football, but I ask them why they don’t spend the same time actually /playing/	Oct 22 23:06
schestowitz	I used to watch a lot of sports. Now I just play them.	Oct 22 23:07
pombat42	i never thought of that. good point!	Oct 22 23:07
pombat42	i play tennis	Oct 22 23:07
schestowitz	Penalty! No! Damn referee! Oh no, they scored. Red card!! Damn. My whole day is ruins……………….. and then reality strikes…. the game had /NOTHING/ to do with your life. it’s an alternate reality.	Oct 22 23:08
schestowitz	Same here (tennis)	Oct 22 23:08
pombat42	So you were on the same train as I was !! :)	Oct 22 23:08
schestowitz	Nokia’s open source scam vs Linux: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1…	Oct 22 23:09
schestowitz	They couldn’t tame Linux with patents and DRM, so they try to outlinux Linux.	Oct 22 23:09
pombat42	Had Nokia phone that dies, Verizon nor Nokia would helpe me.. Never bought another one.	Oct 22 23:09
schestowitz	They will reportedly give up eventually and join Android or something. They also have Qt and Maemo	Oct 22 23:09
pombat42	hopefully they get it right	Oct 22 23:10
schestowitz	I don’t know.	Oct 22 23:10
schestowitz	I like the brand because it’s Finnish	Oct 22 23:10
schestowitz	They are pressured by Hollywood	Oct 22 23:10
schestowitz	The guys in the wild west (Hollywood) want DRM on everything.	Oct 22 23:10
schestowitz	I’ll post lots of Microsoft stuff tomorrow morning just before the appalling report.	Oct 22 23:11
schestowitz	It should be fun. Then, on Friday/Sat I’ll show how badly they did. By this stage, however, (unlike July) many people are already aware of this, so it’s not much of a shocka realy.	Oct 22 23:12
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pombat42	DRM is keyed to a lack of talent in Hollywood	Oct 22 23:19
schestowitz	Price-fixing morelike.	Oct 22 23:19
pombat42	That too	Oct 22 23:20
schestowitz	Race to the bottom.	Oct 22 23:20
pombat42	Carole King Tapestry..10 hits. Fleetwood Mac Rumours same thing. Today? One hit if you are lucky	Oct 22 23:20
pombat42	Boston. Chicago.Saturday Night Fever. Grease. etc	Oct 22 23:20
MinceR	that article fails	Oct 22 23:20
schestowitz	My brother in law works at Intel and I told him that China sells PCs for $98 now	Oct 22 23:20
MinceR	“Can you imagine Apple’s iPhone running a cumbersome OS with little innovation such as gesture support?” — yes, and it looks just like the iphone!	Oct 22 23:21
schestowitz	The era of the consumer/producer or mill/farmers is ending.	Oct 22 23:21
pombat42	iPhone is a great product. Consumers love it	Oct 22 23:21
pombat42	the os doesn’t matter the UI does	Oct 22 23:22
schestowitz	Same with desktops, but..	Oct 22 23:22
schestowitz	On desktop it also matters what peripheral support and applications one gets.	Oct 22 23:22
pombat42	exactly!	Oct 22 23:23
MinceR	the iphone is a crap product	Oct 22 23:24
schestowitz	iPhone envy to fuel open-source development? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_…	Oct 22 23:24
MinceR	it’s a pda/phone hardware dumbed down beyond recognition by the crap software	Oct 22 23:24
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350… :	Oct 22 23:24
MinceR	(if we ignore the fact that it has no keyboard)	Oct 22 23:24
schestowitz	Apple + ActiveSync is eating email on my iPhone: iCrap?	Oct 22 23:25
schestowitz	“I’m a huge Apple fan. Today, however, I couldn’t be more disappointed. I keep seeing pretty, shiny things…and then finding out they’re iCrap underneath.”	Oct 22 23:25
MinceR		Oct 22 23:25
schestowitz	pombat42: the Android phones have a keyboard	Oct 22 23:25
schestowitz	I’ve had a real-sized keyboard for my Palm PDA since 2003	Oct 22 23:25
schestowitz	Or 2002	Oct 22 23:25
MinceR	pda/phones years before crApple even considered trying their luck with phones had keyboards	Oct 22 23:26
MinceR	even some phones did	Oct 22 23:26
schestowitz	It’s great for times when I travel and take lots of notes. With iPhone it’s like typing my mind with chopsticks.	Oct 22 23:26
schestowitz	That said, the iphone has an impressive design and nice graphcis… like the desktops.	Oct 22 23:26
schestowitz	They carefully create one unified experience rather than customisable diversity… which to hackers (playful cleverness.. Ha!) is limiting and frustrating.	Oct 22 23:27
schestowitz	There’s not much chance for tinkering and for experimentation with many applciation one need to shop for binaries online, whereas some of my Palm OS apps are GPL.	Oct 22 23:28
MinceR	it’s limiting and frustrating to anyone who doesn’t find operating a light switch challenging.	Oct 22 23:28
schestowitz	The GPL was snubbed by the iPhone/Apple policy.	Oct 22 23:28
schestowitz	It’s tiring to see like 10 headlines about Symbian pretending to have gone open sauce [sic]: http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/159… (+DRM, +software patents in the UK)	Oct 22 23:31
schestowitz	Wave-riding: http://www.prweb.com/releases/funny-…	Oct 22 23:32
schestowitz	I like this idea: http://www.publishersweekly.com/a… “Under the Flat World model, the company will publish open source textbooks that students can download for free; it hopes to make its money by selling various options to the online text, ranging from print-on-demand print versions to audio downloads. No advertising is accepted.”	Oct 22 23:35
schestowitz	Knowledge is free. Services around it are not.	Oct 22 23:35
MinceR	gn	Oct 22 23:35
schestowitz	http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/21/apple-iphone-nda-t… ( Apple iPhone NDA termination spurs open-source iPhone development )	Oct 22 23:36
pombat42	Honestly I appreciate what you guys stand for but I am not quite as militant toward the cause.	Oct 22 23:39
pombat42	I prefer to look at what I can use and what I can discard and take it from there.	Oct 22 23:39
schestowitz	Yes, I’m not too worried about Apple.	Oct 22 23:41
schestowitz	“militant” is a strong word. Some people use words like “war”, which are equally disturbing.	Oct 22 23:42
MinceR	i’m worried about apple	Oct 22 23:42
MinceR	they’re the little microsoft	Oct 22 23:42
schestowitz	A bit like labeling an oppressed looking for human rights a “terrorist” or aggressor	Oct 22 23:42
MinceR	and if the big one falls, the clueless masses might move to them and we get to start all over.	Oct 22 23:42
MinceR	except with more lock-in this time around	Oct 22 23:43
schestowitz	IBM or Google are also an issue, but Google doesn’t destroy businesses for growth yet… well, not aggressively.	Oct 22 23:43
schestowitz	When you buy from such companies, you give a nod to whatever practice they preach, so they give more of it. The pocket speaks loudest and tells companies to rethink behaviour, I think.	Oct 22 23:44
MinceR	i’m worried about google too	Oct 22 23:45
MinceR	i’m not worried about ibm, they’re far too inept at selling their stuff, unfortunately	Oct 22 23:45
schestowitz	SasS in general	Oct 22 23:46
schestowitz	They take away your apps to /their/ ‘PC’	Oct 22 23:46
MinceR	they’ve let m$ rise and kill their os/2 already	Oct 22 23:46
schestowitz	They can charge anything for access, change price, terms, layout, password, leak your info, ad ads.	Oct 22 23:46
pombat42	People have always had choice,. why do they seem to be bypassing Linux?	Oct 22 23:46
MinceR	people don’t always _know_ they have a choice	Oct 22 23:47
pombat42	sure hey do. At least in USA..	Oct 22 23:47
pombat42	they	Oct 22 23:47
MinceR	so do you think the average computer user even knows what an operating system is?	Oct 22 23:48
MinceR	i know my father didn’t	Oct 22 23:48
schestowitz	pombat42: true, they need not to understand DRM.	Oct 22 23:49
schestowitz	People who I speak to know nothing about it. They are just users, i.e. used people.	Oct 22 23:50
schestowitz	If you have to by a track twice (once for each device), they’ll take this attempt to elevate market pricing and not ask questions as to /why/	Oct 22 23:50
pombat42	Nobody likes DRM. However, what is happening at least in the USA is that people are pissed at so called artists making millions off of kids etc	Oct 22 23:52
pombat42	How much of this stuff is actually musical?	Oct 22 23:52
schestowitz	Cellphone ringtones?	Oct 22 23:52
pombat42	ringrtones are like sports for the middle class. drugs…	Oct 22 23:53
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schestowitz	pombat42: no, that’s the cellphones.	Oct 22 23:55
schestowitz	Even kids have them these days… my 12-year-old sister too.. with high-res camera and all…	Oct 22 23:55
pombat42	Mybe i am simplistic but i feel if you buy it you own it	Oct 22 23:57
schestowitz	What if it stops functioning (kill switch or black screen of death)? You merely hire access to it.	Oct 22 23:58
schestowitz	The permission to posses a licence to use it. Without services (carrier, software), it’s rendered a brick.	Oct 22 23:59