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11.02.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 1st, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:48 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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yuhong BTW, on Apple, what if the IBM PC did not exist? Nov 01 04:31
yuhong I am kind of neutral on Windows vs Mac vs Linux, but even I think that MS’s attempts to kill Linux using patents. is bad. Nov 01 04:47
yuhong I don’t think MS or Windows will be dead anytime soon. Nov 01 04:47
yuhong But I still think that the patent part of the MS-Novell deal was bad. Nov 01 04:48
yuhong And I still think that ODF is more open than OOXML. Nov 01 04:48
yuhong And believe that anything in OOXML that isn’t in ODF can be added to ODF using extensions, which is far better. Nov 01 04:49
yuhong I am no fan of .NET, I focus more on Win32. Nov 01 04:49
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schestowitz On top of economical issues: Odd Tides in Maine < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/31/53116  >; California water – lack of < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/30/53067 > Nov 01 09:13
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schestowitz Sony recalls 100,000 PC batteries < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-245427.html > Nov 01 09:18
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tessier ZFS-FUSE is actually sounding rather promising. Linux may not really be locked out of FUSE in practice. Nov 01 09:47
tessier I’m going to have to get this working on a box and do some testing. Nov 01 09:47
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schestowitz Is this for a datacentre? Nov 01 09:49
tessier Is what for a datacentre? Nov 01 09:50
tessier ZFS-FUSE is something you run on a server. Nothing to do with datacentre except that you  might choose to locate your server in one. Nov 01 09:51
trmanco I think I just learned a lesson today Nov 01 09:52
trmanco Not to use proprietary drivers is a good thing… Nov 01 09:57
trmanco The driver I was using was crashing compiz :| Nov 01 09:59
schestowitz Which card? Nov 01 10:00
trmanco X800 Nov 01 10:01
trmanco radeon x800 or R430 chipset Nov 01 10:01
trmanco and I had double Xorg processes when I was using that driver Nov 01 10:01
trmanco I still have to test it better, but for what I’ve tested so far with the open source driver it hasn’t crashes yet Nov 01 10:02
trmanco crashed* Nov 01 10:02
trmanco better it would freeze the system Nov 01 10:03
trmanco Nov 01 10:03
schestowitz Hmmm. Nov 01 10:04
trmanco It is a little slower, but will do Nov 01 10:05
schestowitz It will be nice when NVIdia give up and opens it all up. Nov 01 10:05
trmanco lol Nov 01 10:05
schestowitz Some day in the future it’ll be sensible to predict that these drivers will become open source and part of your distro/kernel. Nov 01 10:05
trmanco I wish Ati did that Nov 01 10:05
schestowitz Just plug-and-play. Nov 01 10:05
trmanco brb Nov 01 10:13
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trmanco looks like it is working like a charm :-) Nov 01 10:19
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MinceR j0 Nov 01 13:09
trmanco http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repor… Nov 01 13:20
schestowitz http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-baro… Nov 01 13:20
schestowitz The one you link to may be inaccurate if it’s Hitsink, but it says “HitsLink”. Nov 01 13:21
trmanco they probably are inaccurate Nov 01 13:28
trmanco well Nov 01 13:28
trmanco when I posted the link here there was a notice at the top saying that they may not be accurate as the statistics haven’t been reviewed by there QA team Nov 01 13:29
schestowitz QA=sponsor? Nov 01 13:35
trmanco Quality assurance team Nov 01 13:45
trmanco or something similar Nov 01 13:46
trmanco http://infotech.indiatimes.com/News… Nov 01 13:52
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Eruaran hello Nov 01 14:01
schestowitz He there. Nov 01 14:02
schestowitz *Hey Nov 01 14:02
Eruaran hi roy Nov 01 14:02
schestowitz I wrote about the Dell thing. Nov 01 14:02
Eruaran yeah I saw that Nov 01 14:02
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/3… Nov 01 14:02
Eruaran Have you seen the Windows 7 vids from PDC ? Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz Vista 7 you mean? Nov 01 14:03
Eruaran Its unbelievable… Nov 01 14:03
Eruaran yes Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz What’s not believable? Nov 01 14:03
Eruaran My jaw dropped Nov 01 14:03
Eruaran When I saw a desktop panel that looked like KDE 3.5 Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz What’s the URL? Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz Oh Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz That!! Nov 01 14:03
schestowitz For a moment I thought they took Compiz-fusion to task. Nov 01 14:04
schestowitz I heard about the KDE thing. Nov 01 14:04
Eruaran And systray popup widgets that look like they were copied straight from KDE 4.1 Nov 01 14:04
Eruaran without the sexy dark oxygen theme Nov 01 14:04
Eruaran things that react to mouse movement Nov 01 14:05
Eruaran Like umm… KDE 4.1 Nov 01 14:05
Eruaran And, being able to drop icons and things from the ‘start’ menu and put them on the “new” taskbar in a way that is just like ummm…. Nov 01 14:06
Eruaran KDE… Nov 01 14:06
Eruaran I mean Nov 01 14:06
Eruaran I’m actually shocked Nov 01 14:06
schestowitz You mean previews? Nov 01 14:07
Eruaran I didn’t expect that they’d be doing anything but spying on Apple Nov 01 14:07
Eruaran :P Nov 01 14:07
schestowitz I’m amazed at how powerful KDE+Konqueror are, but I haven’t used Windows for ages. Nov 01 14:07
schestowitz I knew every corner of KDE 3.1 Nov 01 14:08
Eruaran It looks like their devs main project was ‘brows kde-look.org and get “inspiration”‘ Nov 01 14:08
Eruaran And the news is starting to spread Nov 01 14:08
schestowitz Eruaran: seen their Apple copy yet? Hold on… Nov 01 14:08
schestowitz That’s where they get ‘inspiration’. I’ll get a link. Nov 01 14:08
Eruaran I googled “windows 7 looks like kde” and found I am far from the only one who noticed :P Nov 01 14:09
schestowitz You beat me to in re: “inspiration” Nov 01 14:09
schestowitz They just happen to /PATENT/ their so-called “inspiration” Nov 01 14:09
Eruaran The whole frigging Windows 7 desktop is prior art… Nov 01 14:09
Eruaran Now I know how a Mac user feels Nov 01 14:10
Eruaran I’m totally blown away by just how blatant the ripping off is Nov 01 14:10
schestowitz Here is Microsoft copying Apple (leaked memo): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Nov 01 14:11
schestowitz More at http://boycottnovell.com/2008… and http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Nov 01 14:11
Eruaran Have a look: http://www.neowin.net/ne… Nov 01 14:12
schestowitz Thanks. Nov 01 14:14
schestowitz Be sure to read that leak about Apple. Your jaw might drop again. Nov 01 14:14
Eruaran yes I’ve got the links open now Nov 01 14:15
schestowitz It’s like a circus. Nov 01 14:16
schestowitz Where they show all kinds of sci-fi useless stuff. Nov 01 14:16
schestowitz The Surface too would be killed if it were not for Gates’ insistence. it not costs over $13500 and it’s a total failure. Nov 01 14:17
Eruaran Honestly, we had KDE 4.1 (and the boss has been playing with 4.2 svn) at work and I was comparing Kubuntu 8.10′s desktop with some of the stuff in the videos and I was like WTF… the dark tower is stealing from KDE Nov 01 14:17
schestowitz It’s some tool for Microsoft to say “look! We make big products and can emulate Minority Report-like useless stuff. Never mind if has no consumer market, especially amid Depression 2.0″ Nov 01 14:17
Eruaran yes Nov 01 14:18
Eruaran Vista 7: Now with RSI Nov 01 14:18
schestowitz The new situation can change a lot. Nov 01 14:18
schestowitz Microsoft needs to sell new hardware to be workable. Nov 01 14:18
schestowitz People can’t afford new PC, except for in rich place, which is a small minority of the world. Nov 01 14:18
Eruaran But its all focused on the interface… the idea that if you just make it pretty, people will want it Nov 01 14:19
schestowitz It’s possible that technological advancement, owing to its cost, will some day in the future imperil and reduce convenience rather than improve that. Public transportation due to emissions is one example. Nov 01 14:19
Eruaran There is NO semantic desktop from Microsoft Nov 01 14:19
schestowitz If Microsoft can’t slip down, then it’s bound to have a hard time Nov 01 14:19
schestowitz Linux scales well Nov 01 14:19
schestowitz Mobile devices and supercomputers use the same type of kernel. Nov 01 14:19
schestowitz Windows Mobile is a fork/hack. Nov 01 14:20
schestowitz ANd it’s said to be dying. Nov 01 14:20
Eruaran yes Nov 01 14:20
schestowitz Nepomuk gets some integration with Gwenview now. Nov 01 14:20
schestowitz Not just Dolphin, IIRC> Nov 01 14:20
schestowitz I saw it the other day and put a link up in BN. Nov 01 14:20
Eruaran The difference between FOSS and this show Microsoft put in is, where the rubber hits the road reality: How is it in reality on people’s PC’s, their notebooks, netbooks and mobile devices. Nov 01 14:22
Eruaran And the reality will be far from what Microsoft puts on at some show. Nov 01 14:23
schestowitz Well, it’s a *show* Nov 01 14:27
Eruaran lol yes Nov 01 14:27
schestowitz They put on a *show* Nov 01 14:27
Eruaran now, lets see that *show* running on a Dell Mini 9 Nov 01 14:27
Eruaran And of course they have nothing that runs on ARM Nov 01 14:28
schestowitz   End of signed message Nov 01 14:28
schestowitz http://blogs.the451group.com/opensourc… Nov 01 14:28
schestowitz BlueGene laughs at Surface. It’s like Godzilla and Bambi Nov 01 14:29
schestowitz Before running to Surface, Gates insisted on the now-almost-lost ambition to bring Windows to supercomputers (it was delayed over and over again). His envy of Linux dominance in the computers which run the world (services and compute clusters) couldn’t be abated, so they found another kitsch. Nov 01 14:33
Eruaran have a look at this, it only goes for a few secs Nov 01 14:46
Eruaran http://au.youtube.com/watch?… Nov 01 14:46
Eruaran Notice the panel, just like KDE 3.5 with translucency on Nov 01 14:46
Eruaran Notice the widgets that pop up, they look like KDE 4, even down to the translucent border bits, they’re just ‘white’ instead of black Nov 01 14:47
schestowitz It looks like my Mandriva 2008.1 with Compiz Nov 01 14:56
Eruaran lol :P Nov 01 14:56
schestowitz Mirosoft Vista 7… reaching 2008… some time in 2010. Maybe. Nov 01 14:56
Eruaran me and my boss share the same opinion Nov 01 14:56
schestowitz You /do/ realise that Vista 7 already had a “Critical” flaw last week, right? Nov 01 14:57
Eruaran It will be so full of holes it will be swiss cheese Nov 01 14:57
schestowitz Tell this to your boss. Nov 01 14:57
Eruaran yes Nov 01 14:57
schestowitz Full compromise, no user intervention necessary! Nov 01 14:57
Eruaran We need the public to see that sort of failure on full display Nov 01 14:58
Eruaran Poeple need to understand that putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t magically turn it into a swan Nov 01 14:58
schestowitz twitter might do a Vista7failurelog Nov 01 14:59
schestowitz Has has a Vista failurelog that’s popular. It’s an index of failures. Nov 01 14:59
Eruaran or… just make contributions to failblog Nov 01 14:59
schestowitz ?? Nov 01 14:59
Eruaran youre not familiar with failblog ? Nov 01 14:59
schestowitz http://failblog.org/ Nov 01 14:59
schestowitz New to me. Nov 01 15:00
Eruaran yes Nov 01 15:00
Eruaran hours of laughs Nov 01 15:00
schestowitz I was on this blog before. Nov 01 15:01
schestowitz I see ” http://failblog.org/2008/0… ” in my history Nov 01 15:01
Eruaran haha yes Nov 01 15:02
schestowitz BTW, it turns out that over 40% of the sub-notebooks run GNU/Linux. Nov 01 15:08
schestowitz ASUS claims that the Eee are like 30%-70% Nov 01 15:08
schestowitz Jerry Shen said this the other day, as reported by The Register. Nov 01 15:09
schestowitz So I don’t believe the Gartner BS Nov 01 15:09
Eruaran I never believe Gartner’s BS Nov 01 15:12
Eruaran Garnter told us and Acer that Asus was going to quit doing Linux netbooks Nov 01 15:13
Eruaran They said Asus was having too much trouble with them Nov 01 15:13
Eruaran Microsoft can only stick so many fingers in the dyke before it bursts open, and the “encouragement” they offer companies like Asus to go with XP only has a limited lifespan Nov 01 15:15
schestowitz Hackers Steal Money From French President Sarkozy’s Bank Account < http://www.informationweek.com/news/secur… > Nov 01 15:15
schestowitz He also tried to ban voodoo dolls bearing his image. :-) :-) Nov 01 15:16
schestowitz The ASUS sub-notebooks running Linpus just got 8/10 from OSNews. That was yesterday. Nov 01 15:16
Eruaran running linpus ? Nov 01 15:17
schestowitz Microsoft loses money due to the ‘Great NetBook DUMP’ Nov 01 15:17
schestowitz It admitted this in its last repoirt Nov 01 15:17
schestowitz Eruaran: yes, running Linpus. But Eugena suggested that they use Ubuntu 8.10 instead. Nov 01 15:18
Eruaran Mark Shuttleworth said he has it from reliable sources that Microsoft is giving Windows away Nov 01 15:18
twitter In real world, Netbooks dump on M$. Nov 01 15:18
twitter good morning. Nov 01 15:18
Eruaran hello Nov 01 15:18
schestowitz Eruaran: AWAY? Nov 01 15:21
schestowitz Eruaran: please find the link, if possible. Nov 01 15:21
schestowitz I suspected that it was cheaper than the $29 or $18… but I also heard about Microsoft taking a loss. Nov 01 15:21
schestowitz No hard evidence though.. Nov 01 15:21
Eruaran Ok I’ll see if I can find it Nov 01 15:22
schestowitz If you find it, then it’s worth a post and public complaint. Nov 01 15:22
schestowitz The EU commission would treat that as market abuse. Nov 01 15:22
twitter Here’s the Vista Failure Log, if you are interested.  http://slashdot.org/~twitte… Nov 01 15:22
twitter I am starting a Vista 7 log too. Nov 01 15:23
twitter and I have a M$ Death Watch.  http://slashdot.org/~twitt… which is worth looking at for the theme music if nothing else. Nov 01 15:23
twitter http://uk.youtube.com/wat… Nov 01 15:24
Eruaran Got it schestowitz Nov 01 15:31
Eruaran “I’ve heard creditable reports of Microsoft offering XP at no cost to OEMs.” – http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntus_shuttle… Nov 01 15:32
Eruaran Its only one line I guess but its the first time I’ve heard anyone say that Nov 01 15:35
schestowitz Cool. Nov 01 15:35
schestowitz .I’ll post about it. Nov 01 15:36
Eruaran we had a bit of lol at work today Nov 01 15:36
Eruaran one of our guys called microsoft Nov 01 15:36
Eruaran thats almost a garuanteed lol Nov 01 15:37
Eruaran he is indian as well, so its even funnier with his accent Nov 01 15:37
Eruaran to see him slamming the phone down calling them “bluddy idiots” Nov 01 15:38
Eruaran which reminds me Nov 01 15:38
Eruaran we have an infamous little incident we like to tell people about Nov 01 15:38
Eruaran we called microsoft one day to sort out the vista business downgrade to XPP for a customer Nov 01 15:39
Eruaran the confused reply (and I kid you not) was this: Nov 01 15:39
Eruaran “What is Vista ?” Nov 01 15:39
schestowitz I’ll put the quote in the headline… to make it common knowledge. Nov 01 15:40
Eruaran lol Nov 01 15:40
Eruaran oh that quote Nov 01 15:40
Eruaran I thought you were gonna put “What is Vista ?” in :P Nov 01 15:40
Eruaran the infamous sinkhole of support was extra sinky that day Nov 01 15:41
Eruaran Somehow I doubt Microsoft will give us XP for free Nov 01 15:42
Eruaran We sold two systems yesterday with Ubuntu 8.10 on them Nov 01 15:42
schestowitz I’ll put the MS (Mark S.) quote up Nov 01 15:45
schestowitz I also look for a good video related to this. Nov 01 15:45
Eruaran cool Nov 01 15:45
schestowitz I wish videos were indexed properly. Nov 01 15:45
schestowitz I have to go by memory and numbers Nov 01 15:45
schestowitz Found it. It’s posted now:  http://boycottnovell.com/2008… (short and right to the point, hopefully) Nov 01 15:53
schestowitz I have a very long item about Microsoft failures that I still proofread. I suspect that long items are not being read carefully though. Nov 01 15:54
twitter I like the RMS way of doing things and have tried to improve on it. Nov 01 16:29
twitter He makes small entries of interest.  Each one is accurate and builds trust.  In time, the reader knows RMS is just right. Nov 01 16:30
schestowitz He hasn’t ‘blogged’ in a while. Nov 01 16:31
schestowitz He probably travels now. Nov 01 16:31
twitter He’s got a slew of stuff out today. Nov 01 16:31
twitter yesterday. Nov 01 16:32
twitter It’s also time to change your links.  The last notes ended October 31. Nov 01 16:32
twitter I don’t know about the RSS feed. Nov 01 16:32
schestowitz It should be universal, I think. Nov 01 16:33
schestowitz We’re thinking about dumping COLA in USENET to start a moderated newsgroup Nov 01 16:33
schestowitz Cleanup time. Nov 01 16:33
schestowitz The trolls can be flushed over to Slashdot or whatever — wherever all the trash is being tolerated. Nov 01 16:34
twitter It’s hard to have a large open system and keep the trolls out. Nov 01 16:34
twitter In any case, my improvement to the Stallman method is to include quotes and make big blogs referencing the little ones. Nov 01 16:35
twitter Everybody does something like this. Nov 01 16:36
schestowitz Micro-blogging. Nov 01 16:37
schestowitz Twittering. Nov 01 16:37
schestowitz Even IRC here serves as something similar, but real-time/ Nov 01 16:37
twitter Then you can tie it together with something overwhelming like the Vista Failure Log. Nov 01 16:38
schestowitz The push for this IRC came from a reader who repeatedly insisted that we make it. Nov 01 16:38
schestowitz Yes, like this one: http://boycottnovell.com/oox… Nov 01 16:38
twitter I kind of got the idea from a book called “The Russian Century” which detailed 100 years of Soviet horror from the inside. Nov 01 16:39
twitter Each accusation alone was petty and debatable, but they are all reinforcing as truth is. Nov 01 16:40
schestowitz Like COmes vs Microsoft (Iowa) Nov 01 16:41
twitter Yes, because M$ uses brainwashing. Nov 01 16:42
schestowitz BB buys it. Nov 01 16:42
schestowitz I needed that OOXML index to rebut the BS from Al3x Br0wn. Nov 01 16:42
twitter Nice Index. Nov 01 16:44
twitter :) Nov 01 16:44
schestowitz It makes it hard for ISO to say that all was fine when faced with this. Nov 01 16:45
schestowitz If you give a small complaint that’s specific, they can then call it nitpicking Nov 01 16:45
schestowitz Microsoft uses the same method to defend OOXML. Found a bug? Na… it’s just a small thing in 7000 pages. Nov 01 16:46
twitter Groklaw had a similar index for the fight against odf didn’t they? Nov 01 16:52
schestowitz Maybe. Nov 01 16:53
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schestowitz There’s an article (static page) for each topic. Nov 01 16:53
schestowitz hey, _doug Nov 01 16:53
Eruaran Groklaw is a seminal site. Required reading. Nov 01 16:53
schestowitz Does GL have an index on the fight against ODF? Nov 01 16:54
_doug hey .. quiztime .. Nov 01 16:54
_doug in what movie do you have .. Nov 01 16:54
_doug well .. later maybe .. not a suitable subject for this chan .. Nov 01 16:55
twitter http://www.groklaw.net/articleba… Nov 01 16:55
Eruaran I’m a bit suspicious that Excel does wierd things to spreadsheet data saved in OpenOffice Nov 01 16:55
twitter and http://www.groklaw.net/articlebas… Nov 01 16:56
twitter Excel does weird things to math in general Nov 01 16:56
schestowitz Eruaran: do you have proof? Nov 01 16:56
schestowitz It’s possible that negligence and not sabotage may cause this. Nov 01 16:56
Eruaran I’m still assessing it Nov 01 16:56
Eruaran It made me rage earlier though :P Nov 01 16:57
schestowitz Microsoft never prioritises rivals… not entertaining them on its platform.. Netscape, Borland, Firefox, iTunes, etc. Nov 01 16:57
Eruaran I prefer to use scalc anyway though Nov 01 16:57
schestowitz Eruaran: Excel gets its maths wrong. Nov 01 16:57
schestowitz There were bugs in caluculus Nov 01 16:57
Eruaran I like being able to highlight, drag and drop tables and things Nov 01 16:58
twitter We all have different ideas about duty.  M$ would consider it negligent if their products did not sabotage competitors. Nov 01 16:58
Eruaran Excel makes you cut and paste, then leaves colours and formatting behind, orphaned as it were… scalc is more productive Nov 01 16:58
schestowitz “These pages are a group effort, by many volunteers, but the brunt of the load was carried by Scott Lazar, grouch, mojotoad, Chris Knadle, Adrian, Mecha, Ed_L, and PJ. The pages are maintained by grouch and PJ. “ Nov 01 17:00
twitter Good collaboration. Nov 01 17:01
twitter I think your ABC index should be linked into this page http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/… Nov 01 17:04
twitter You might present it to PJ and see what she thinks. Nov 01 17:05
schestowitz It doesn’t matter. Nov 01 17:05
Eruaran schestowitz: remember how we were talking about Microsoft’s Windows 7 show ? Nov 01 17:05
schestowitz Not sure it’s worth the hassle… Nov 01 17:05
Eruaran schestowitz: Here’s a revealing quote: “many of the new features in Windows 7 are absent from the build given to the press” Nov 01 17:05
schestowitz Eruaran: yes, any more news? Nov 01 17:05
schestowitz Of course. Nov 01 17:05
schestowitz They also put some optimised version on a netbook to deceive. Nov 01 17:06
schestowitz I told trmanco about it. Nov 01 17:06
schestowitz So many people are fooled by it. Nov 01 17:06
schestowitz You can also run Ubuntu on an OLPC XO. SO what? Nov 01 17:06
Eruaran You can run Ubuntu on the smell of an oily rag Nov 01 17:07
schestowitz It’s like a circus when a stuntsman ‘eats’ knives. Nov 01 17:07
Eruaran Well, not quite, but I checked out its RAM usage the other day and I was pleasantly surprised Nov 01 17:07
schestowitz They work for months preparing this little show, thinking what to show and what not to show. Nov 01 17:07
schestowitz (and which journalists to kick out. ;-) http://boycottnovell.com/200… ) Nov 01 17:08
Eruaran “if they took *all* the shit out of Vista, we’d be left with, CP/M <cough, sorry> ^H^H^H^H DOS.” Nov 01 17:11
_doug ot: McCainites dig up Obamas lost auntie .. :) Nov 01 17:12
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/… Nov 01 17:12
schestowitz Last-minute stunts? Nov 01 17:12
_doug “AP says its information about Ms Onyango, 56, is based on two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcement official” Nov 01 17:12
Eruaran “lost” auntie ? Nov 01 17:13
twitter Vista 7 will go the same way Vista did. Nov 01 17:13
schestowitz More last-minute smears. Nov 01 17:13
twitter but faster Nov 01 17:13
schestowitz Yes Nov 01 17:13
schestowitz People learnd from Vista 6 Nov 01 17:13
schestowitz AKA Longhorn Nov 01 17:13
twitter The Wintel press lost a lot of credibility.  They have more pretending to do and won’t be able to lie as much. Nov 01 17:14
twitter They might even, gasp, research. Nov 01 17:14
schestowitz They ‘bought out’ Phoronix. Nov 01 17:14
twitter and smeared Ubuntu a week later, ha ha. Nov 01 17:15
_doug “lost a bid for asylum” .. get with the program .. :) Nov 01 17:15
schestowitz Oh, *that* Nov 01 17:15
schestowitz I didn’t think about that Nov 01 17:15
twitter and you can’t, thanks to the new owners. Nov 01 17:16
schestowitz What I find to be trolling there is the bit where he made up names for releases. Nov 01 17:16
schestowitz Micchael is very professional, so I was surprised he did that. Nov 01 17:16
schestowitz And Slashdot had a sensationalist headline, Nov 01 17:16
schestowitz Do me a favour and check who submitted to /. Nov 01 17:16
schestowitz And under what headline. Nov 01 17:17
twitter M$ massages these things for months to get the result they want.  Their influence is subtle. Nov 01 17:17
twitter The sum of many tiny lies is a whopper. Nov 01 17:17
twitter checking Nov 01 17:17
schestowitz I’d still like to find out about /. Nov 01 17:18
schestowitz They sometimes change headlines of the submitter though, right? Nov 01 17:18
twitter Headline published, “Is Ubuntu Getting Slower” Nov 01 17:19
twitter http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?… Nov 01 17:19
twitter Submitted by AC Nov 01 17:19
schestowitz Who’s AC Nov 01 17:20
schestowitz I think he submits to /. sometimes. Nov 01 17:20
twitter No account troll. Nov 01 17:20
schestowitz I know there are many ACs, but.. Nov 01 17:20
schestowitz Oh. Nov 01 17:21
schestowitz AC as in anonymous coward Nov 01 17:21
schestowitz .Tagged flamebait. Nov 01 17:21
schestowitz “Ubuntu 7.04 was certainly the Feisty Fawn for performance, but based upon these results perhaps it would be better to call Ubuntu 7.10 the Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex.’” Nov 01 17:21
schestowitz Microsofters will have a fun day passing this around. Nov 01 17:21
schestowitz They did in USENET, obviously. Nov 01 17:22
twitter yes, Slashdot followed with Ubuntu kicks Vista Ass article where comments noted Ubuntu also kicks XPs ass. Nov 01 17:22
schestowitz Ah Nov 01 17:22
twitter Don’t think the trolls followed up like that. Nov 01 17:22
twitter http://rss.slashdot.org/~r… Nov 01 17:23
twitter ha ha Nov 01 17:23
twitter This would explain M$’s shift in focus to Vista 7.  The competition outdoes them and people have noticed. Nov 01 17:24
schestowitz Should be tagged “Duh” Nov 01 17:24
twitter M$ must now pretend Vista 7 is everything GNU/Linux is and more. Nov 01 17:24
schestowitz I saw this short review yesterday. Nov 01 17:24
schestowitz Didn’t Ed Molzen actually /compare/ Ubuntu 8.10 to Vista 6? Nov 01 17:25
twitter So they trotted out the rigged up netbook. Nov 01 17:25
schestowitz It seems like the / Nov 01 17:25
schestowitz It seems like the /. headline is baseless in the sense that there is no evidence. Nov 01 17:25
twitter Summary had “early benchmarking (Geekbench, boot times, etc.)” Nov 01 17:26
twitter article, http://www.crn.com/software/211800390 follows well too Nov 01 17:27
schestowitz It reassures me knowing that we look at the right issues. Nov 01 17:27
twitter “Without much fanfare, developers of Ubuntu Linux have delivered the latest version of the open source operating system that scores higher than Windows Vista in performance testing, does a better job than Windows in making wireless connectivity easy and, overall, leaves fewer reasons to stick with Windows than any other previous release of Linux.” Nov 01 17:27
schestowitz Microsoft knows that taxing its competitors and exlcuding them is all that’s left. Thus the Novell cash infusions. Nov 01 17:27
twitter No matches found for ‘freedom’ in article. Nov 01 17:28
schestowitz Also, making the Web less of a commodity with XAML and XPS (and OOXML) is their goal. Nov 01 17:28
schestowitz Lockin, patents, and exclusion. Nov 01 17:28
schestowitz When you talk to most people about “Freefom” they think of convenience. Nov 01 17:28
schestowitz As in, “I’m free to watch TV”. Nov 01 17:29
twitter All lockout laid out in Halloween docs. Nov 01 17:29
schestowitz RMS talked to us about it… here in Manchester. Nov 01 17:29
schestowitz People still confuse the terms… they are inclined to believe they have the FREEDOM to use Vista. Nov 01 17:29
schestowitz The Freedom to enable lack of Freedom Nov 01 17:29
_doug Open Source FUD Flies at Florida Higher Education Conference .. Nov 01 17:29
_doug http://ostatic.com/176104-blog/open-source-f… Nov 01 17:29
twitter The freedom to sell themselves into slavery Nov 01 17:29
schestowitz Another related debate is BSD “Free” and GPL “Free” Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz Thanks _doug Nov 01 17:30
twitter FSF has well written prose to bore people with. Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz Ha! Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz IDG Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz Muther* Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz IDC Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz They now advertise in Phoronix. Nov 01 17:30
_doug ‘Adrian Sannier .. argues that cost savings will be consumed by the consulting fees paid to deploy “community-source enterprise applications.” “The consultants who help you are like bartenders serving drunks,” he’s quoted as saying’ Nov 01 17:30
schestowitz I warned Michael about it, but he did it anyway Nov 01 17:30
twitter People are starting to understand how freedom matters in computing. Nov 01 17:31
schestowitz Oh wait. Nov 01 17:31
schestowitz I didn’t read it carefully. Nov 01 17:31
twitter The more people know about computers, the more they understand software freedom. Nov 01 17:31
schestowitz IDG is the publisher (carrier), not the FUD.. Nov 01 17:31
twitter waiting. Nov 01 17:31
_doug What Adrian don’t seem to realize is that, once you form a users group with other schools, you get your IT ‘consultancy’ for free, and he can then spend the leftovers on on more drinks :) Nov 01 17:32
twitter That’s funny, _doug, the guy who ran Anti-Slash.org ended up a bartender. Nov 01 17:32
_doug if he really wants to save on drinks, he would be better off buying some cheap plonk in a supermarket and going round to someones house … Nov 01 17:33
_doug that’s what most peopel do nowadays .. Nov 01 17:33
_doug :) Nov 01 17:34
twitter super yeast and sugar Nov 01 17:34
_doug “This is an area where open source evangelists need to educate the educators” Nov 01 17:34
twitter Educators are learning on their own. Nov 01 17:34
_doug hey, remember where former Open Source people get a job at MS, how about getting a former MS evangelist to now promote Open Source :? Nov 01 17:35
twitter M$ pollutes the recycle chain with their certified refurbisher program though. Nov 01 17:35
twitter It’s more of the same, convince the decision makers that people need their crappy OS. Nov 01 17:36
schestowitz _doug: that’s a bad idea Nov 01 17:37
twitter Firehosed your corruption index http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op… Nov 01 17:37
schestowitz See the new comment from Needs Sunlight here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… Nov 01 17:37
schestowitz twitter: the introduction would need updating though. Nov 01 17:37
schestowitz I have to run in a moment (literally). The gym closes at 8PM Nov 01 17:38
_doug open source digital library content management solution .. Nov 01 17:38
_doug http://library20.ning.com/p… Nov 01 17:38
_doug later .. Nov 01 17:39
twitter later Nov 01 17:39
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_doug something really usefull .. Nov 01 17:58
_doug keyboard feedback when your typing and the text cursor isn’t in a textbox .. Nov 01 17:58
_doug howabout the keys vibrating or going ‘mushy’ ? Nov 01 17:59
_doug come on, in this age of ‘innovation’ .. Nov 01 17:59
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schestowitz D R Ahem… won’t work. Nov 01 20:25
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schestowitz New York Times seems to just publish lots of IDG stuff these days. Are they losing writers? Nov 01 22:01
macabe Newspapers have been losing readership for a long time, also the major media outlets. Most of them sound like sensationalist rags. (Alien life discovered in commode slugs) Nov 01 22:09
schestowitz It’s sad in a way. Nov 01 22:09
schestowitz The main danger now is AstroTurf blogs (marketing blogs0. Nov 01 22:10
schestowitz Novell has them too and I’ve kept track of their names. Nov 01 22:10
macabe It’s very sad, now when reading a newspaper you have to triple check its source. Nov 01 22:11
schestowitz What do you mean? Nov 01 22:11
macabe Zero facts. A lot of op-ed. Nov 01 22:12
schestowitz Reporting that’s original requires a lot of work. Teams of investigators. They rely on selling out to someone’s interests sometimes. Nov 01 22:13
macabe Seems that you get better detailed facts from the reputable blogs-even if they’re emotive. Nov 01 22:14
macabe Because of emotive interests, they want to cross every T and dot every i as much as they can. Nov 01 22:18
schestowitz Blogs are fast Nov 01 22:18
schestowitz They rely on other blogs that they cite with hyperlinks. Nov 01 22:18
schestowitz It makes it easier to validate facts. Nov 01 22:18
schestowitz It’s like micro-journalist, but it’s fact and disparate. Nov 01 22:19
schestowitz *fast Nov 01 22:19
macabe It’s what Dan Gillmor said Nov 01 22:20
macabe Public journalism Nov 01 22:20
macabe It’s why I like BN, Groklaw, Marcel’s Wftl, RMS, Lessig, etc.  It take courage to stand out and point out and question ‘wrongs’ against the common folk. Nov 01 22:25
schestowitz You read RMS? Nov 01 22:26
schestowitz I haven’t subscribed to Marcel yet, but his show is great. Lessig has gone political, but I still read him. Nov 01 22:27
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macabe Yes, but haven’t in a while. Lost my links, been traveling a lot lately with a new eeepc 1000 given to me as a gift. Have to take a dose of my medicine and backup my favs. BN & GL easy to remember. Nov 01 22:30
macabe Anyway was able to get rid of xandros and install gnewsense on it. Nov 01 22:31
schestowitz On the Eee? ‘Vanilla’ gnusense? Nov 01 22:35
schestowitz Gnsense [sic] will become part of Ubuntu. Nov 01 22:36
schestowitz Gobuntu or whatever… an install options, says Jono Bacon, but it remains to be seen it they are committed to deed, not just words. Nov 01 22:36
macabe Yeah first install it on a usb key. Worked pretty good the decided to try dd=if /dev/sda of=/dev/sdb Nov 01 22:37
macabe the=then Nov 01 22:37
schestowitz RMS should try it then. If only the BIOS was as open as XO’s… it’s better powered. Nov 01 22:40
macabe I think dvd-cds’ will go the route of floppies if flash type drives keep coming down in price. Nov 01 22:41
macabe Found a 1bg usb key for 1.59 USD at big lots. Nov 01 22:43
schestowitz That’s already happening. MacBook Air..? Nov 01 22:43
benJIman Macbook air hardly pioneered the no-optical-drive form factor. Nov 01 22:44
benJIman In fact it’s big enough to actually have one, unlike most of the ultraportables. Nov 01 22:44
MinceR the eee pc is much better than that overpriced paperweight Nov 01 22:44
schestowitz I used it at the airport. Nov 01 22:44
schestowitz Fashion accessory. Expensive. Nov 01 22:45
benJIman The eee isn’t really in the same market niche. Nov 01 22:45
MinceR of course. it’s actually functional Nov 01 22:45
benJIman Thinkpad x-series is in that space. Nov 01 22:45
MinceR unlike crApple products Nov 01 22:45
schestowitz The Eee PC would fit better in Steve Jobs’ purse than his Macbook Air. Nov 01 22:46
MinceR unfortunately for him, it isn’t faggy enough. Nov 01 22:46
schestowitz But it won’t play DRM-enabled iToons [sic] Nov 01 22:46
MinceR hm, maybe the pink version comes close enough. Nov 01 22:46
macabe Haven’t tried Macbook; cracked open the eeepc to see if the hdd was 1.5″ (reg 2.5 120gb sata) Nov 01 22:46
MinceR if he put a crApple sticker on it. Nov 01 22:46
MinceR there are 1.5″ hdds now? Nov 01 22:46
MinceR is that the same as the microdrive? Nov 01 22:47
macabe Seen them at Sam’s club, but they were 10gb. Nov 01 22:47
macabe Made by Seagate Nov 01 22:48
schestowitz Seagate is crumbling. Nov 01 22:49
schestowitz Not only are they considered Linux-hostile but they also suffered massive layoffs recently. Nov 01 22:49
schestowitz Then again, many hardware manufacturers will suffer similarly. Nov 01 22:49
macabe I upped RAM to 2gb. 19.95 for 2gb stick. PNY Nov 01 22:50
MinceR one of my shortest-lived hdds was a seagate Nov 01 22:50
macabe Do they manufacture their own or outsource? Nov 01 22:50
macabe Have a toshiba, hitachi, ibm, & seagate and they all look the same. Nov 01 22:52
MinceR i prefer WD. Nov 01 22:52
macabe right down to the metal ripples on top of the case Nov 01 22:53
MinceR ibm and hitachi are the same because hitachi bought ibm’s hdd department. Nov 01 22:53
MinceR the ripples are for pressure equalization, aren’t they? Nov 01 22:53
macabe don’t know, but it looks like the ubuntu logo on holographic steroids. Nov 01 22:55
macabe Was on the alex jones blogsite; looks like he & jesper lund are getting hammered on standards, SC34 & JTC. Nov 01 23:02
schestowitz Perhaps more storage needs will move to the datacentre. Even films are being streamed these days. Nov 01 23:02
schestowitz macabe: can you be specific/ Nov 01 23:02
schestowitz ? Nov 01 23:02
schestowitz I wrote about this the other day and hope you read it. Nov 01 23:03
schestowitz Long story short: they still greet and shower each other with kisses. Nov 01 23:03
schestowitz I confronted Jesper several times before. He’s a shill. Nov 01 23:03
macabe He (Alex) was indicating that JTC  needed to be overhauled. Nov 01 23:04
macabe Jesper called a Microsoft sock puppet; he denied it, of course. Nov 01 23:05
schestowitz Oh, in the comments? Nov 01 23:07
schestowitz I think that Andre commented on it when I was there. Nov 01 23:07
schestowitz I leave Alex alone for now. He intimidates with the ISO copyrights BS. To use an analogy, you drive a pregnant wife whose water broke to the hospital and a cop pulls you over for a speeding ticket. Nov 01 23:08
macabe Yeah, most of them dealt with credibility, except for a HAL commenter; he’s way off base. Nov 01 23:09
macabe Trying to upset zoobab, name calling, etc. Nov 01 23:10
schestowitz I know who he is. Nov 01 23:11
schestowitz He also smeared IBM employees Nov 01 23:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16… Nov 01 23:13
schestowitz See this comment/update: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… (in case someone asks who hAl is, point his/her there) Nov 01 23:13
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macabe I’ve seen that nym before, sounds like a troll. All his comments are rubbish. Will add that to my favs. definitely need the resource. Nov 01 23:14
GoblinRFD who me? Nov 01 23:14
GoblinRFD hello all. Nov 01 23:15
schestowitz Hey Nov 01 23:16
schestowitz This one is infuriating: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1… Nov 01 23:16
schestowitz The figures have been seized upon by Microsoft and emphasised in the company’s corporate blog on Microsoft TechNet. “Customers now have choice in market. VMware is no longer the dominant server virtualisation vendor (less than 50 percent [of the market])…” Nov 01 23:16
schestowitz I came across this as I write Do-no-evil items. Nov 01 23:16
schestowitz Long story short (wrote about this days ago), Microsoft is seeding lies through IDC and then blogs about it en masse. Nov 01 23:17
schestowitz Even Matt Asay fell for it and passed on the Big Lie. *sigh* *igh* Nov 01 23:17
schestowitz GoblinRFD: macabe was referring to a Microsoft AstroTurfer hAl just before you came… Nov 01 23:18
GoblinRFD ah. Nov 01 23:18
schestowitz It’s also one of their biggest Wikipedia vandals. Nov 01 23:18
GoblinRFD ah the Wikipedia….brings back memories…. Nov 01 23:18
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GoblinRFD Just testing out the new Intrepid Ibex, so I thought Id come here. Nov 01 23:19
GoblinRFD and in regards to hAI I believe he’s posted on Microsoft Watch. Nov 01 23:20
macabe Only way to get 23% of the visualization market in 2 days is if you click your heels and say, “there’s no place like home”; else you lie. Nov 01 23:21
schestowitz GoblinRFD: comments? Probably Nov 01 23:24
schestowitz macabe: Microsoft does not lie. It lets its shills do it. Nov 01 23:25
schestowitz IDC defines something wrongly, measures its momentarily, throws some pretty graphs out and Microsoft then yells “well, well… look what we got here..” Nov 01 23:26
macabe Then Bill Gates is its top shill. Nov 01 23:26
schestowitz How so? Nov 01 23:26
macabe When he said patents would harm innovation, etc. Nov 01 23:27
macabe and they weren’t into patenting Nov 01 23:27
macabe the latest being the h-1b visa fiasco Nov 01 23:28
schestowitz Haha. Nov 01 23:30
schestowitz Did you read what I typed this afternoon? Nov 01 23:30
schestowitz It’s turning into a fraud. Nov 01 23:30
schestowitz In < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… > Nov 01 23:30
macabe If it involves politicians it’ll always be fraud. Nov 01 23:30
schestowitz The other day I struggled to find something. Nov 01 23:38
schestowitz Some years ago I read (in Wikipedia maybe) that BillG’s grandpa was a state senator Nov 01 23:38
schestowitz I could find anything to corroborate though. Nov 01 23:38
macabe I read a piece a while back that stated to the effect that the wealthier you are the looser the ethics become. It was written before this century. I asked my dad to see if he could find the author. Nov 01 23:41
macabe Wikipedia changes a lot. Nov 01 23:43
schestowitz well, ethics are (re)defined by the wealthy Nov 01 23:51
schestowitz We’re expected to accept (legalised) bribery as something called “lobbying” and treat is as the norm. Nov 01 23:51
macabe Ethics redefined. That’s the scary part. Nov 01 23:52
twitter Bill Gates wealth explained http://philip.greenspun.com/bg/ Nov 01 23:52
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schestowitz In my view, lobbyist is one of the greatest scams and destructors of today’s capitalist implementations, including that which you find in Brussels in the States. It enables corporations to run the governments that people elect. Can you trust shareholder to run a country? Nov 01 23:53
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schestowitz *Lobbying   ; *Brussels *and* in the States Nov 01 23:54
schestowitz “Maxwell founded Seattle’s National City Bank in 1906. His son, James Willard Maxwell was also a banker and established a million-dollar trust fund for William (Bill) Henry Gates III.” Nov 01 23:55
schestowitz A friend of mine once wrote that the legend of BillG making something out of nothing is indeed a crock. It’s a case of a kid that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth to loot an industry, backed by help from his dad’s buddies. Nov 01 23:55
macabe Therefore he has nothing in common with normal people. Nov 01 23:56
macabe There is no empathy cause he’s never known what is to want basic needs. Nov 01 23:57
MinceR his story is making (almost)nothing out of something Nov 01 23:58
MinceR something being the IT industry. Nov 01 23:59
schestowitz Well, it become a funnel. Nov 01 23:59
schestowitz That’s something too. Nov 01 23:59
schestowitz I saw this guy’s site before: http://philip.greenspun.com/ Nov 01 23:59
schestowitz I can’t remember the context. Nov 01 23:59
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