Bonum Certa Men Certa

How Microsoft Really Feels About .NET in Linux/UNIX

Monopoly



We have just copied (by hand) the contents of Comes vs Microsoft exhibit px08290 [PDF]. There are some curious bits there about .NET and the people involved are Charles Fitzgerald, Sanjay Parthasarathy, Tom Button, Yuval Neema, Graham Clark, and Joe Long.



"By putting CLI into ECMA, we are inviting x-plat implementations. With Rotor we are even doing some work on Linux and Solaris," says Graham Clark, Microsoft's general manager of .NET business development.

“...there is no mechanism to provide transaction (and other core services) support on these non-Windows implementations.”

--Microsoft GM of .NET
Further he adds: "For enterprise customers/partners, wanting to build enterprise apps, all this is meaningless as there is no mechanism to provide transaction (and other core services) support on these non-Windows implementations."

"Microsoft is well aware of how to position .NET to make it seem attractive, but at the same time be worthless (or worth much less) without patented and non standardized, non-royalty free bits," writes the reader who drew attention to this.

Worth paying attention are also the parts about "evangelism".




Appendix: Comes vs. Microsoft - Exhibit px08290, as text








From: Charles Fitzgerald Sent: Tue, 5/8/2001 9:58 PM To: Graham Clark, Sanjay Parthasarathy; Tom Button; Yuval Neeman Subject: RE: J2EE Strategy.ppt

Its potentially worse than that - we both validate x-platform and then demonstrate conclusively we not prepared to deliver on it.

From: Graham Clark Sent; Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:54 PM To: Charles Fitzgerald; Sanjay Parthasarathy; Tom Button; Yuval Neeman Subject: RE: J2EE Strategy.ppt

I would like to understand the x-plat strategy, because I don't get it and not does anyone in the field. It doesn’t seem to make ANY sense.

By putting CLI into ECMA, we are inviting x-platform implementations. With Rotor we are even doing some base work on Unix and Solaris.

For enterprise customer’s/partners, wanting to build enterprise apps, all this is meaningless as there is no mechanism to provide transaction (and other core services) support on these non-Windows implementations. J2EE clearly has a mechanism, albeit faulty, to enable these x-plat services.

I can think of four explanations for our current strategy (as I and the field see it):

1. There is something happening to provide these applications services x-p-platform that I don't understand (based on Joe’s proposition, I doubt it is this).

2, We think that out customers/partners/analysts are stupid and that they won’t see our approach as insufficient for real enterprise apps.

3. We are going to evangelise to IBM and others to plug their own transation services under CLI on Linux (without specifying how), Joe’s proposal is to tell them how.

4. We haven’t thought thru a strategy that will make sense alter anything more than a superficial inspection - if so why are we doing all the Rotor work?

MSSunII 000000089435 CONFIDENTIAL

MS-DEPEX 007061




If the answer is (2) then we have learned nothing from the past 5 years and J2EE will continue to kick our butts. I would rather see Microsoft say x-plat is BS rather than make a half step (Rotor, CLI) that will confuse everyone and lead to continued distrust of our motives for doing it.

---Original Message--- From: Charles Fitzgerald Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:00 PM To: Sanjay Parthasarathy; Tom Button; Yuval Neema Cc: Graham Clark Subject: RE: J2EE Strategy.ppt

This is terrifying. A x-plat strategy is not a winning strategy.

----Original Message-- From: Sanjay Parthasarathy Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:45 PM To: Tom Button; Yuval Neema Co: Charles Fitzgerald; Graham Clark Subject: RE: J2EE Strategy.ppt

Sanjay

htttp://dotnet your .NET Platform resource

---Original Message--- From: Graham Clark Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:52 AM To: Charles Fitzgerald; Sanjay Parthasarathy Subject: FW: J2EE Strategy.ppt

Net. Joe Long wants to work with IBM to define a std interface to system services, specifically those provided by COM+. He thinks IBM would go for this, and it addresses the issue that moving CLR cross-platform is meaningless unless you have a std way to access services such as transactions from it. With our current approach there will be no way for x-plat CLR to do this, hence it is not real.

MSSunII 000000089436 CONFIDENTIAL

MS-DEPEX 007062




CHARLES, this is really your area. Joe came to me to talk about field evangelism.

---Original Message--- From: Joe Long Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:00 AM To: Graham Clark Subject: J2EE Strategy.ppt

I updated the slide a little bit, particularly the "current strategy" one...made it more J2EE strategy instead of EJB strategy.

Would you like me to try to rope you into the PaulFle, Yuvall, Tom Button discussions on this? I’m worried that they don’t have a full appreciation for what you and Sanjay have got going with IBM.

MSSunlI 000000089437 CONFIDENTIAL

MS-DEPEX 007063


Recent Techrights' Posts

SoylentNews Grows Up, Registers as a Business, Site Traffic Reportedly Grows
More people realise that social control media may in fact be a passing fad
 
Garden Season Starts Today
Outdoor time, officially...
More Information About Public Talks That Richard Stallman Gave This Week in Europe
Two talks in Switzerland
Engadget is Still a Spamfarm, It's Just an Amazon Catalogue (SPAM/SEO), a Sea of Junk Disguised as "Articles" With Few 'Fillers' (Real Articles) in Between
Engadget writes for bots now, not for humans
Richard Stallman's Talks in Switzerland This Week
We need to put an end to 'cancer culture'; it's trying to kill people and it is even swatting people
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, March 28, 2024
IRC logs for Thursday, March 28, 2024
[Meme] EPO's New Ways of Working (NWoW), a.k.a. You Don't Even Get a Desk at Work and Cannot be Near Known Colleagues
Seems more like union-busting (divide and rule)
Hiding Microsoft's Culpability in Security Breaches and Other Major Blunders (in the United Kingdom, This May Mean You Can't Get Food)
Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) is vast
Giving back to the community
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 28/03/2024: Sega, Nintendo, and Bell Layoffs
Links for the day
Open letter to the ACM regarding Codes of Conduct impersonating the Code of Ethics
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
With 9 Mentions of Azure In Its Latest Blog Post, Canonical is Again Promoting Microsoft and Intel Vendor Lock-in, Surveillance, Back Doors, Considerable Power Waste, and Defects That Cannot be Fixed
Microsoft did not even have to buy Canonical (for Canonical to act like it happened)
Links 28/03/2024: GAFAM Replacing Full-Time Workers With Interns Now
Links for the day
Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
The Time Our Server Host Died in a Car Accident
If Debian has internal problems, then they need to be illuminated and then tackled, at the very least in order to ensure we do not end up with "Deadian"
China's New 'IT' Rules Are a Massive Headache for Microsoft
On the issue of China we're neutral except when it comes to human rights issues
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 27, 2024
IRC logs for Wednesday, March 27, 2024
WeMakeFedora.org: harassment decision, victory for volunteers and Fedora Foundations
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 27/03/2024: Terrorism Grows in Africa, Unemployment in Finland Rose Sharply in a Year, Chinese Aggression Escalates
Links for the day
Links 27/03/2024: Ericsson and Tencent Layoffs
Links for the day
Amid Online Reports of XBox Sales Collapsing, Mass Layoffs in More Teams, and Windows Making Things Worse (Admission of Losses, Rumours About XBox Canceled as a Hardware Unit)...
Windows has loads of issues, also as a gaming platform
Links 27/03/2024: BBC Resorts to CG Cruft, Akamai Blocking Blunders in Piracy Shield
Links for the day
Android Approaches 90% of the Operating Systems Market in Chad (Windows Down From 99.5% 15 Years Ago to Just 2.5% Right Now)
Windows is down to about 2% on the Web-connected client side as measured by statCounter
Sainsbury's: Let Them Eat Yoghurts (and Microsoft Downtimes When They Need Proper Food)
a social control media 'scandal' this week
IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 26, 2024
IRC logs for Tuesday, March 26, 2024
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
Windows/Client at Microsoft Falling Sharply (Well Over 10% Decline Every Quarter), So For His Next Trick the Ponzi in Chief Merges Units, Spices Everything Up With "AI"
Hiding the steep decline of Windows/Client at Microsoft?
Free technology in housing and construction
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
We Need Open Standards With Free Software Implementations, Not "Interoperability" Alone
Sadly we're confronting misguided managers and a bunch of clowns trying to herd us all - sometimes without consent - into "clown computing"
Microsoft's Collapse in the Web Server Space Continued This Month
Microsoft is the "2%", just like Windows in some countries