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02.10.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 9th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:22 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Front page in Digg now. Feb 09 02:00
schestowitz Down already? Feb 09 02:00
schestowitz Just. About. There. very slow…… :-( Feb 09 02:01
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schestowitz Hmmmmmm… I get some DNS errors too… Feb 09 02:07
schestowitz I’ll tap people for cache. “Sorry to be commenting up on top. Our server chokes on Digg Effect at the moment, so in case you can’t get through, please use Google Cache of this page and feel free to pass around, copy the text, whatever. Consider it public domain. This information deserves to become common knowledge. Inform peers. Feb 09 02:07
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schestowitz “Server Load  10.27 (4 cpus)” Feb 09 02:10
schestowitz hi, zer0c00l Feb 09 02:10
zer0c00l hi schestowitz Feb 09 02:10
schestowitz Thank you do much for the texts. I will post these as soon as the server calms down (maybe tomorrow) Feb 09 02:10
zer0c00l yeah Feb 09 02:11
schestowitz We made Digg’s front page some minutes ago Feb 09 02:11
schestowitz We’re still up most of the time (I get some errors) Feb 09 02:11
schestowitz “httpd (1.3.41 (Unix))  failed” Feb 09 02:11
zer0c00l oh Feb 09 02:11
schestowitz I hope the host won’t disconnect us. Feb 09 02:11
schestowitz I’ll keep an eye for a while. Feb 09 02:11
zer0c00l you dont have latest version of apache? Feb 09 02:12
schestowitz That’s the stable 1.3. branch, I think Feb 09 02:12
schestowitz It’s common to use older version for consistency Feb 09 02:12
zer0c00l oh Feb 09 02:12
schestowitz I use WordPress 2.0.11, which is a long-term support release Feb 09 02:12
schestowitz Phew. “Server Load  6.05 (4 cpus)” Feb 09 02:13
schestowitz Don’t visit BN now Feb 09 02:13
schestowitz I have the pages impacted cached Feb 09 02:13
schestowitz So any request for pages not in cache can do a lot of harm :-) Feb 09 02:13
schestowitz You can watch comment here < http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_Micr… >, but don’t follow the link to BN. Just stay in Digg. Feb 09 02:14
zer0c00l yeah, it took little bit time to load Feb 09 02:14
schestowitz I think the item you helped me with might make Digg’s front page as well. Feb 09 02:14
schestowitz It really ought to. Feb 09 02:14
schestowitz zer0c00l: no, don’t load :-) Feb 09 02:14
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zer0c00l ok Feb 09 02:14
schestowitz Hi, mib_gta046 Feb 09 02:14
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schestowitz Any pages requested off cache is risking the site being downed Feb 09 02:15
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Bill_Gates you bastards Feb 09 02:15
schestowitz :-) Feb 09 02:15
zer0c00l hi Bill_Gates Feb 09 02:15
Bill_Gates how did you get this information? Feb 09 02:15
schestowitz OK, I think the server is stablizing. Feb 09 02:15
schestowitz Bill_Gates: your wardrobe :-) Feb 09 02:15
schestowitz Where you keep all the fine literature. Feb 09 02:15
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schestowitz Funny guy. Feb 09 02:16
zer0c00l yeah Feb 09 02:16
schestowitz I hope to keep the server up throughout Feb 09 02:16
schestowitz The Apple sites might link as well. It shows how Microsoft played dirty against Apple. Feb 09 02:16
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schestowitz This time we set up the cache defenses properly and trimmed the pages, so Digg is something we endure.. Feb 09 02:54
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schestowitz Great comment: http://slated.org/why_dotg… Feb 09 03:13
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twitter gmail to surpass hotmail in 2009 http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet… Feb 09 03:16
schestowitz I think I saw such estimates. It’s irrelevant to FOSS, IMHO. Feb 09 03:17
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schestowitz twitter: I have more ammunition about Vista7 coming, in case you want to -read- prooread :-) Feb 09 03:35
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twitter sounds interesting Feb 09 03:42
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schestowitz twitter: I’ll do it now. Feb 09 03:42
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schestowitz twitter: done. have a quick look pls: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/w… Feb 09 03:54
twitter looks OK to me. Feb 09 04:05
twitter Thanks for putting it together. Feb 09 04:05
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twitter sorry to see “student” leave.  He did a few good papers while working for Guinness Feb 09 04:06
zer0c00l twitter: Feb 09 04:06
zer0c00l who’s student? Feb 09 04:06
twitter pen name Feb 09 04:07
zer0c00l pen name? Feb 09 04:07
twitter high powered one too.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student… Feb 09 04:08
twitter I don’t think I could have dreamed that up while working for a beer company. Feb 09 04:08
zer0c00l actually i logged in as student before Feb 09 04:09
zer0c00l :D Feb 09 04:09
twitter good name choice Feb 09 04:09
zer0c00l as i am in college, i logged in as a user named “student” so xchat picked it up and used a as a default nick Feb 09 04:10
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schestowitz zer0c00l: I think I’ll do the Ballmer-Intel post tomorrow. Feb 09 04:14
zer0c00l ok Feb 09 04:14
zer0c00l :) Feb 09 04:14
twitter have fun with it and good night. Feb 09 04:15
zer0c00l good night twitter Feb 09 04:16
zer0c00l here its 10 AM Feb 09 04:16
zer0c00l :D Feb 09 04:16
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amarsh04 bushfire toll now 131http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/200… Feb 09 07:23
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schestowitz Morning. BN was returning many error for an hour+. Fixed now. Feb 09 09:02
berlin what special features does microsoft has in regard of its competiturs Feb 09 09:03
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I_am_locutus hello Feb 09 09:08
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Feb 09 09:09
I_am_locutus congrats on the digg effect :) Feb 09 09:10
I_am_locutus brb Feb 09 09:10
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 09 09:11
I_am_locutus back Feb 09 09:13
I_am_locutus Havent been able to open it yet Feb 09 09:13
I_am_locutus seems to be a redirect loop Feb 09 09:13
schestowitz Yes, fixed now. Feb 09 09:13
schestowitz Does it work? Feb 09 09:14
I_am_locutus just going to have a look now Feb 09 09:14
I_am_locutus nope this address comes up Feb 09 09:15
I_am_locutus http://boycottnovell.com.nyud.net:8080/2009/0… Feb 09 09:15
I_am_locutus and internel server error Feb 09 09:15
schestowitz Let me try again. Feb 09 09:15
I_am_locutus kk Feb 09 09:16
PetoKraus for fuck’s sake roy, change your host, honestly. It’s driving everyone nuts, especially you. Feb 09 09:16
I_am_locutus lol Feb 09 09:16
PetoKraus i mean, what have you been doing last week? Feb 09 09:16
PetoKraus fixing the bloody system. Feb 09 09:16
schestowitz I’ll try it without cache for a while Feb 09 09:16
schestowitz PetoKraus: it’s not a daily issue Feb 09 09:17
MinceR geekings Feb 09 09:17
PetoKraus well Feb 09 09:17
PetoKraus it’s bi-weekly Feb 09 09:17
PetoKraus that’s enough i’d say Feb 09 09:17
schestowitz I_am_locutus: try now Feb 09 09:17
I_am_locutus thats got it Feb 09 09:18
schestowitz Works? Feb 09 09:18
I_am_locutus now I can read on the evilness :9 Feb 09 09:18
I_am_locutus but first I have some work to do Feb 09 09:18
schestowitz The cache expired after 12 hours Feb 09 09:18
I_am_locutus yes it works Feb 09 09:18
schestowitz Let me know if the error returns Feb 09 09:18
schestowitz That’s on boycottnovell.com.nyud.net:8080, right? Feb 09 09:19
I_am_locutus yep Feb 09 09:20
schestowitz http://blog.laptopmag.com/acer-qa-netbook-s… “The biggest challenge is getting the message out on Linux; it is just not as familiar to mainstream consumers. It will still continue to be only 5 percent of the total mix.” Feb 09 09:21
schestowitz Hm…….. 5% for GNU/Linux at Acer? Feb 09 09:21
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I_am_locutus Ack why do users always demand my net browsing time? I have to do some work. Bye all Feb 09 09:30
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schestowitz Kaspersky fail to protect themself from website hack < http://www.itwire.com/cont… > Feb 09 09:45
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amarsh04 http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/02… made linuxtoday.com Feb 09 10:31
schestowitz You brought this up, did you not? Feb 09 10:33
schestowitz BTW, I’ve received an E-mail just a moment ago. Maybe I can collaborate on a book detailing Microsoft’s offenses. Feb 09 10:34
amarsh04 jose_x submitted that link to linuxtoday.com Feb 09 10:40
schestowitz Someone in IRC brought this up, maybe jose. Feb 09 10:41
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amarsh04 possible sub-title for the book: “what the withdrawal of court cases tried to hush up (and failed)” Feb 09 10:42
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amarsh04 seriously, if everything can be properly documented, it would be a great idea Feb 09 10:42
amarsh04 back in a few… Feb 09 10:44
schestowitz amarsh04: I’ll discuss with a potential coauthor Feb 09 10:46
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ZiggyFish schestowitz: are you there? Feb 09 11:28
schestowitz Yes, hi! Feb 09 11:29
ZiggyFish Brandon Paddock is he a Microsoft employee? Feb 09 11:30
oiaohm Ok people don’t understand how hard it is to get a web page with lots of load right. Feb 09 11:31
ZiggyFish schestowitz: I found the answer http://brandonlive.com/ Feb 09 11:31
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schestowitz Who is this guy? Feb 09 11:37
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oiaohm http://test.winehq.org/data/cb57eb…  Anyone thing Windows ABI is programmer friendly please read. Feb 09 11:37
schestowitz The page does not respond. Feb 09 11:37
oiaohm thing/thinks Feb 09 11:38
ZiggyFish he is a developer for Microsoft and is the developing Vista 7 ;) Feb 09 11:38
schestowitz “Hi. I’m Brandon. I work on the Explorer for Windows 7 at Microsoft. This is my blog.” Feb 09 11:38
schestowitz What did he do? Feb 09 11:38
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schestowitz ZiggyFish: anything fishy he did? I assume you brought it up for a reason. Feb 09 11:39
schestowitz There are 3 more Intel exhibits we ought to do :-) From http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… Feb 09 11:39
schestowitz See top: Feb 09 11:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa… (boot sequence) Feb 09 11:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa… (Linux discussed) Feb 09 11:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo… (investment in Linux) Feb 09 11:39
oiaohm Please be the guy to strangle for stuffing up 2008 and Windows 7 font rendering for old applications. Feb 09 11:39
ZiggyFish He sent me an email after I posted on a chris prillo’s forum. Feb 09 11:40
oiaohm Ok Brandon might be the one to strangle for todays problem I had. Feb 09 11:40
schestowitz ZiggyFish: what did he approach you about? Feb 09 11:41
oiaohm Internet Explorers Secuirty permissions stuffed up so everything icon on my desktop of my admin account was coming up with the permission denied message Feb 09 11:41
ZiggyFish a discussion about the ‘Windows 7 Federated Search’ feature in Vista 7 (which he is working on) Feb 09 11:43
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oiaohm So a cloner Feb 09 11:49
schestowitz ZiggyFish: does he know you do GNU/Linux? Feb 09 11:50
oiaohm http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwi…  << working on something like that ZiggyFish I guess Feb 09 11:50
schestowitz http://www.businesspundit.com/aft… Feb 09 11:51
ZiggyFish yes Feb 09 11:51
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schestowitz Did he say anything about it? Feb 09 11:51
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schestowitz oiaohm: true, true… Feb 09 11:52
oiaohm Google saved my life today Feb 09 11:54
ZiggyFish yeah, ‘ I know that in your Linux bubble you’re trained to think that Linux / Open Source is the end-all be-all of software innovation, but I’ve never seen Linux do anything original … That’s what happens when you have thousands of technically capable engineers and zero creativity, vision, or direction.’ Feb 09 11:54
oiaohm Had 200 users I had to get added to the server for the end of day. Feb 09 11:54
ZiggyFish wow Feb 09 11:55
oiaohm Last thing you want is a broken admin account. Feb 09 11:55
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oiaohm Linux kernel itself is not really the of innovation. Feb 09 11:56
oiaohm Its more taking the great ideas of all OS’s and merging them into 1 kernel. Feb 09 11:56
oiaohm Now if MS did that more they might have not stuffed up there real time support in there kernel. Feb 09 11:57
oiaohm Is my normal answer to that. Feb 09 11:57
schestowitz Microsoft claims it owns Linux. Feb 09 11:57
oiaohm Solarias would have a larger claim. Feb 09 11:57
oiaohm Thinking most of the great bits are clones of there system. Feb 09 11:58
schestowitz Do they have patents on UNIX systems? Feb 09 11:58
schestowitz I mean, they sure do Feb 09 11:58
schestowitz ZFS patents.. makes you wonder about Linux filesystems inc. btrfs Feb 09 11:58
oiaohm Yes they do but only used against people dumb enough to patent attack them. Feb 09 11:58
oiaohm Sun also has most of the key patents to make motherboards. Feb 09 11:59
oiaohm If Sun was not patent friendly you would not have the computer you are now typing on. Feb 09 11:59
oiaohm Sun friendlyness has got them unstuck a lot. Feb 09 12:01
oiaohm ELF fileformat used by Linux Designed by Sun. Feb 09 12:01
schestowitz Hm…. Feb 09 12:04
ZiggyFish what to say to this: Feb 09 12:04
ZiggyFish Rag on it all you want, even though you haven’t used it and know nothing about it. The market will prove Windows 7 to be Microsoft’s most successful release since Windows 95.  It is the nail in the coffin for Linux on netbooks, the one in-road that Linux had and utterly wasted. Feb 09 12:04
schestowitz Well, I wish they well mostly. Feb 09 12:04
schestowitz ZiggyFish: that’s called “Slog” Feb 09 12:04
schestowitz I heard it about Vista/Longhorn all over the place in 05′-06′ Feb 09 12:05
oiaohm LOL Feb 09 12:05
oiaohm Linux is unkillable. Feb 09 12:05
schestowitz Even in 07′ it lasted for a while, but /REAL/ users were bitching enough to force Microsoft into the corner. Feb 09 12:05
oiaohm Is Windows 7 going to be embeded in Bios Feb 09 12:05
schestowitz In early 2008 even gates and Ballmer gave up on pretense. Feb 09 12:05
oiaohm Linux is going to be by the time 7 gets released. Feb 09 12:05
oiaohm So its here to stay. Feb 09 12:05
schestowitz oiaohm: they wanted to Feb 09 12:05
schestowitz They didn’t manage of course Feb 09 12:05
schestowitz Just more vapourware Feb 09 12:06
schestowitz Think about WinMin Feb 09 12:06
schestowitz Or other features that they /promised/ (to create a mythical image of an OS) Feb 09 12:06
oiaohm Issue here Linux wants MS fighting on motherboard embeded. Feb 09 12:06
oiaohm There we can kick the crap out of MS. Feb 09 12:06
schestowitz It’s happening already Feb 09 12:06
schestowitz Phoenix and ASUS taking the lead Feb 09 12:06
schestowitz Microsoft is playing dirty ther.e Feb 09 12:06
oiaohm Exacty Feb 09 12:07
oiaohm Problem is splashtop is currently just MS bate. Feb 09 12:07
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/15/eula-… Feb 09 12:07
oiaohm Come on to embed where OS’s go at 1 cent a copy. Feb 09 12:07
schestowitz oiaohm: it is Feb 09 12:07
schestowitz They fight it Feb 09 12:07
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/11/a… Feb 09 12:07
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oiaohm Also motherboard makers want to audit source code embeded. Feb 09 12:09
oiaohm Basically Linux next wave of attack.  Embeded in motherboard expanding there feature sets. Feb 09 12:09
oiaohm You can already hack vista password from asus splashtops. Feb 09 12:10
schestowitz Learn from BeOS Feb 09 12:10
schestowitz Microsoft will fight this tooth and nail Feb 09 12:10
oiaohm Yes expected Feb 09 12:10
oiaohm Issue here its not winning as such. Feb 09 12:10
oiaohm Its cutting MS profit lines. Feb 09 12:10
MinceR they already are fighting all-out Feb 09 12:10
oiaohm Its like a game of chess Feb 09 12:11
oiaohm You don’t need to beat the other side if you can trick them into giving up there pieces for nothing. Feb 09 12:11
oiaohm Issue with Linux is that it does not have that many weakness. Feb 09 12:12
ZiggyFish what’s a word to discribe the deals that Microsoft has with OEM? Feb 09 12:12
oiaohm most of those deals are craking. Feb 09 12:13
oiaohm Embed on motherboard saves having to teach back yarders how to install there first Linux too. Feb 09 12:14
schestowitz Collusion? Feb 09 12:14
schestowitz Blackmail? (using margins as a bargaining card) Feb 09 12:14
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, agreed. Feb 09 12:14
oiaohm Also splashtop works as advertising to get people asking questions. Feb 09 12:15
oiaohm Beos failed because it really could not get it self in the markets face. Feb 09 12:15
MinceR it also helps inflate installed base numbers :> Feb 09 12:15
schestowitz oiaohm: no, illegal tactics Feb 09 12:16
oiaohm Illegal tactics blocked people from interacting with it schestowitz Feb 09 12:16
oiaohm So death happened. Feb 09 12:16
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title… Feb 09 12:16
oiaohm How can MS block motherboard makers. Feb 09 12:17
oiaohm You cannot really threaten them Because without them you don’t have a market. Feb 09 12:17
MinceR they might threaten OEMs to not use mainboards from such manufacturers Feb 09 12:18
MinceR as long as there’s a choice Feb 09 12:18
schestowitz See  ¶¶13.-141 Feb 09 12:18
oiaohm Linux embeded on motherboards. Feb 09 12:18
oiaohm So threating OEMs don’t remove it. Feb 09 12:18
MinceR OEMs decide what mainboard to put into their computers Feb 09 12:18
oiaohm Linux has found the mega loop hole in MS defence. Feb 09 12:18
schestowitz ¶124; 137-141 Feb 09 12:18
oiaohm People buy the motherboards with the Most features MinceR Feb 09 12:19
oiaohm Yep nailed Feb 09 12:19
MinceR most of the market is prebuilt PCs, isn’t it? Feb 09 12:19
oiaohm Still people buy them with the most features. Feb 09 12:19
ZiggyFish does IBM’s installable file system (IFS) work in kernel or userspace? Feb 09 12:19
oiaohm If a dell has a feature the other one does at the same cost you buy the dell. Feb 09 12:19
oiaohm Opps left out a not Feb 09 12:20
MinceR m$ can manipulate costs though Feb 09 12:20
oiaohm MS can manipulate costs to there advantage or to there harm. Feb 09 12:28
oiaohm Hmm wonder if expressgate installer works from reactos. Feb 09 12:32
oiaohm As with all plans alway prepare plan B. Feb 09 12:33
ZiggyFish centos looks good (played around with it today) Feb 09 12:33
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oiaohm There is one thing that annoys me about livecd installers they don’t allow regetting of packages off them. Feb 09 12:40
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schestowitz ZiggyFish: for desktop? Feb 09 12:43
ZiggyFish yeah Feb 09 12:46
oiaohm I am currently using debian 5 Feb 09 12:47
ZiggyFish nice Feb 09 12:47
ZiggyFish ‘If only because of Microsoft’s illegal, anti-competitive and collusive deals with OEMs that are under investigation by the EU.’ sound good to the above statement from brendon? Feb 09 12:48
oiaohm This is a tame OS to what I normally use. Feb 09 12:48
oiaohm I normally using openvz and 4 to 5 distributions side by side. Feb 09 12:48
schestowitz ZiggyFish: the “OEMs are the delivery people” Feb 09 12:49
oiaohm Annolying only 1 can have full 3d support at time. Feb 09 12:49
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2… Feb 09 12:49
*ZiggyFish likes the name brendon, however it is spelled wrongly ;). Feb 09 12:50
oiaohm I am really looking forward to kernel mode switching and dri2 so I can start workign on a interface to all distributions in 1 system. Feb 09 12:50
ZiggyFish schestowitz: if all delivery people only offer one solution, how can other solutions succeed? Feb 09 12:52
MinceR oiaohm: can you switch full 3d support between them? Feb 09 12:56
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ZiggyFish MinceR: that would be nice to see :) Feb 09 12:57
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Eruaran hi Feb 09 12:59
schestowitz Hi, Eruaran Feb 09 13:00
Eruaran any interesting news ? Feb 09 13:01
schestowitz I’ll do the next smoking gun shortly.. but needs caching… It’s a matter of necessity. VPS would be expensive, so use distributed cache to handle the load (we deliver over 30k pages/day from only one quad-core server). Feb 09 13:01
Eruaran ok Feb 09 13:02
schestowitz We might also do a book Feb 09 13:02
Eruaran you’re certainly gathering quite a profile Feb 09 13:03
schestowitz Thanks, I think we can organise information better. Also, time permits this now because I offload some academic workloads. Feb 09 13:04
schestowitz There is hardly any news because the whole industry enters “brace” mode < http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/ar… >. This leaves room for creativity (things are otherwise static). Feb 09 13:05
oiaohm By restarting and changing the dominate OS MinceR at moment. Feb 09 13:06
schestowitz So the question is, write some literature or process more Comes? I guess both are related, so why not both? I’m waiting to hear from someone. Feb 09 13:06
oiaohm DRI2 and kernel mode switching opens up the way to avoid that evil. Feb 09 13:06
MinceR ic Feb 09 13:06
oiaohm Kernel mode switching allows multiable X11 server to be run. Feb 09 13:07
schestowitz 4 years ago MATLAB approached me to suggest that I write a book, but it pretty much just serves them, the company, which makes non-Free software. But anyway, that was then when I was busy with the PhD. Times have changed. Feb 09 13:07
MinceR and for DRI2, the proprietary drivers would need to be changed, right? Feb 09 13:07
MinceR even for KMS? Feb 09 13:07
oiaohm Nvidia’s is going to be a bugger. Feb 09 13:07
schestowitz Great news..! Feb 09 13:07
schestowitz http://www.reuters.com/article/ma… Feb 09 13:07
oiaohm ATI VIA and Intel are well down the path to DRI2 and KMS drivers. Feb 09 13:08
schestowitz A recent report (last week) showed Linux gaining a lot in smartphones thanks to Android and today’s there’s this in LXer: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3944.html Feb 09 13:08
oiaohm Google is also out to win the OS war. Feb 09 13:12
Eruaran I don’t think Google is out to win any OS war Feb 09 13:14
schestowitz Cloud maybe. Feb 09 13:14
schestowitz I.e. owning people’s info Feb 09 13:14
Eruaran maybe Feb 09 13:14
schestowitz Winning the hard-rive wars Feb 09 13:14
oiaohm Google needs to kill MS so MS cannot harm it. Feb 09 13:16
oiaohm That is what Google would class as winning. Feb 09 13:16
Eruaran Certainly charging people small fees for the use some of their cloud space is more up Google’s alley Feb 09 13:16
oiaohm Nothing left alive to cause bias in the market other than them. Feb 09 13:16
Eruaran but that might not be Google’s goal Feb 09 13:16
ZiggyFish anyway it’s 11:17pm here. time to go to bed, c ya all ( very very very very hot ), Victoria on Saturday got up to 47 C (and ATM their is a big bush fire down their and has cause 108 deaths already (and death toll is still rising). Lucky I live in Queensland though. Feb 09 13:16
Eruaran they might prefer to have people freely use their cloud space and create a market in that space that they can monetize, weather advertising or whatever I dunno… I have come to expect the unexpected Feb 09 13:17
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oiaohm Hmm ZiggyFish and me might be near each other. Feb 09 13:18
oiaohm Google was not interested the the OS market before MS tried using it to get web search market share. Feb 09 13:19
schestowitz I’m surprises that there are penguins left in Aussie :-) Feb 09 13:20
schestowitz *rised Feb 09 13:20
oiaohm Don’t underestermate how tough a penguin is. Feb 09 13:21
Eruaran lots of penguins Feb 09 13:21
oiaohm Linus found out the hard way they have a beak and will use it. Feb 09 13:21
oiaohm I still remember seeing the news taht Linus has got bit. Feb 09 13:21
schestowitz He always attends the Aussie confs Feb 09 13:21
schestowitz He even ignores IDG’s *cough cough* LinuxWorld Feb 09 13:21
Eruaran Thats cause its summer here Feb 09 13:22
oiaohm Of course lead of samba and him is trouble. Feb 09 13:22
Eruaran we had our hottest day on record on Saturday Feb 09 13:22
schestowitz Why? Andrew? Feb 09 13:22
schestowitz 46? Feb 09 13:22
oiaohm Yep Andrew Feb 09 13:22
Eruaran At Avalon the temp peaked at 47.8C Feb 09 13:22
oiaohm Andrew as with Linus the day he got penguin bit too. Feb 09 13:23
schestowitz Don’t use the GPU too much :-) Feb 09 13:23
oiaohm as/was Feb 09 13:23
Eruaran (Avalon is between Melbourne and Geelong) Feb 09 13:23
schestowitz When we had a sort of draught in August I kept checking the NVIDIA temperature meter Feb 09 13:23
Eruaran Thats 118.04F Feb 09 13:23
oiaohm I have only ever fried one Nvidia video card. Feb 09 13:24
oiaohm Not a wise move too motherboard with it. Feb 09 13:24
oiaohm too/took Feb 09 13:24
schestowitz Now I’m just mostly cold here (around 0 degrees), so I occasionally go to my kitchen to make tea or soup Feb 09 13:24
schestowitz ANyway, I have a secondary PC with a 2.x GHz CPU in case the main one gets fried and awaits replacement. Feb 09 13:25
oiaohm That reminds me. Feb 09 13:26
oiaohm I need to save up for a tile64 card. Feb 09 13:26
schestowitz Does it have support from many binaries? Feb 09 13:27
oiaohm Linux kernel runs on it schestowitz Feb 09 13:28
schestowitz Yes, but what about apps Feb 09 13:28
oiaohm So yes quite a few.  No video output. Feb 09 13:28
schestowitz I’m looking at their homepage again. Feb 09 13:28
schestowitz http://www.tilera.com/products/TILEPro64.php Feb 09 13:28
schestowitz Applications: Advanced Networking,  Digital Video, Wireless Infrastructure Feb 09 13:29
oiaohm Network scanning like inline snort runs great on them.  Clamav demaon also runs great.  Some video rendering and custom gimp scripts. Feb 09 13:29
schestowitz It’s mostly for specialised system builders, I reckon. Feb 09 13:29
Eruaran Crack Attack mocks me Feb 09 13:29
Eruaran It always says I win but I lies Feb 09 13:30
schestowitz Who’s that? Feb 09 13:30
oiaohm Also speeds up gcc hell load schestowitz Feb 09 13:30
Eruaran It toys with my emotions Feb 09 13:30
Eruaran Crack Attack (game) Feb 09 13:30
schestowitz oiaohm: ask Phoronix to do benchmarks Feb 09 13:30
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schestowitz http://aluminumangel.org/attack/ Feb 09 13:31
mib_gxx1sy hi may ger ger dire? Feb 09 13:31
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schestowitz host98-31-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ? Feb 09 13:34
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schestowitz IRC makes good facility for quick trolling. Feb 09 13:36
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schestowitz Asteroid bound for Earth! Warn your grandchildren http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg201269… Feb 09 14:14
zer0c00l i will make it as a bedtime story after 35 year Feb 09 14:15
zer0c00l :) Feb 09 14:16
schestowitz http://www.avonsys.com/firefox-fj Feb 09 14:17
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schestowitz http://www.cringely.com/about/ new blog it seems Feb 09 14:22
schestowitz http://feeds.feedburner.com/ICringely Feb 09 14:22
schestowitz Pioneer to quit flat-panel TVs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… > Feb 09 14:29
schestowitz http://petitions.number10.gov.u… Feb 09 14:31
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schestowitz Footy star sues Facebook over fake fascist profile < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/09/… > Feb 09 14:34
schestowitz “Seagate terminated ex-CEO Bill Watkin’s employment on 4 February and will pay him $5m according to SEC filings.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Feb 09 14:35
zer0c00l paani puri funds infosys dreams http://interestingstuff-vinayak.blogspot… Feb 09 14:36
schestowitz Here’s an outrage: http://www.theregister.co.uk/… Feb 09 14:37
schestowitz Infosys is a Microsoft puppet Feb 09 14:38
zer0c00l yeah Feb 09 14:40
zer0c00l :) Feb 09 14:40
zer0c00l they do things for microsoft Feb 09 14:40
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zer0c00l the damn thing is here people respect infosys as one of the IT gaint Feb 09 14:43
zer0c00l you cannot easily say anything against infosys Feb 09 14:43
schestowitz Because they loot the people in exchange for wages? :-) Feb 09 14:45
schestowitz You know, you could conduct some sort of analysis to show how their financial cycle is operated. For example, do they pay normal tax? Do they pursue foreign interests, e.g. with OOXML and software patents? What is the cost of avoiding FLOSS in India? Feb 09 14:46
zer0c00l yeah Feb 09 14:46
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zer0c00l schestowitz: do you have any experience with mysql? Feb 09 15:24
zer0c00l i am getting some errors here Feb 09 15:25
zer0c00l [root@localhost db]# mysqladmin -u root -p password Feb 09 15:25
zer0c00l Enter password: Feb 09 15:25
zer0c00l mysqladmin: connect to server at ‘localhost’ failed Feb 09 15:25
zer0c00l error: ‘Access denied for user ‘root’@’localhost’ (using password: NO)’ Feb 09 15:25
schestowitz I hardly use mysql from the CLI, except for sqldumps Feb 09 15:28
zer0c00l phpmyadmin? Feb 09 15:31
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schestowitz zer0c00l: that too. Feb 09 15:35
schestowitz We’ve just made another front page Feb 09 15:35
twitter very cool Feb 09 16:17
schestowitz I’ll publish the next one when the server cools down. Feb 09 16:18
twitter The Fairey story is nasty.  They are slapping down a prominent “trouble maker” to assert their authority. Feb 09 16:22
twitter I don’t like graffiti, but even I can see the real issues in this case. Feb 09 16:23
twitter The whole Culture Jamming thing is depressing.  It seems that the predators continue to win the battle and litter more and more of the world with their noxious advertising. Feb 09 16:26
twitter The jammers have a short term impact but are swept away by the flow of tobacco and alcohol money. Feb 09 16:27
MinceR has anyone, ever, in the world, managed to install the blight upon IT known as virtualbox from source? Feb 09 16:29
twitter no, I just use the debian package Feb 09 16:30
MinceR well, the newest OSE package i have for this machine contains a bug in the kernel module that corrupts memory and crashes the system Feb 09 16:30
MinceR it’s typical sun “open source”, i guess Feb 09 16:31
twitter ah, you might do better fixing the kernel module. Feb 09 16:31
MinceR “you can have the source but we’ll be damned if you’ll ever get any use from it!” Feb 09 16:31
MinceR or i might do better learning KVM and reinstalling my VMs there Feb 09 16:31
twitter I doubt the problem is intentional, unless M$ put a mole in. Feb 09 16:32
MinceR m$ doesn’t need any moles there, sun hates open source ever since it killed slowlaris. Feb 09 16:33
twitter No malice is beyond M$.  Sabotage is all they have left. Feb 09 16:34
twitter Sabotage may be all they ever had. Feb 09 16:35
twitter Virtualbox is slow without the kernel modules.  What are you trying to make work? Feb 09 16:35
MinceR i’m trying to install the newer version of the damn thing Feb 09 16:36
MinceR where this stupid bug is supposed to be fixed Feb 09 16:36
MinceR i’ve compiled it Feb 09 16:36
MinceR but there’s no way to install it or to make a binary package Feb 09 16:36
MinceR so all i have is a pile of binaries in some directories with no information about where they should be put Feb 09 16:37
MinceR there’s a debian/ directory in the tarball but i don’t know what to do with it Feb 09 16:37
MinceR i think the trick is that only the initiated can install it Feb 09 16:37
MinceR so anyone can have the source but it’s useless Feb 09 16:38
twitter I think I understand that part.  What do you want Virtualbox to do for you? Feb 09 16:39
twitter have you tried the Debian source code package?  http://packages.debian.org/lenny/vir… Feb 09 16:40
twitter It seems to come with   /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose-source /README.DebiantG.xoBVQ Feb 09 16:40
twitter /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose-source/README.Debian Feb 09 16:40
MinceR i want the damn thing to run and not crash my work pc Feb 09 16:41
MinceR i know, it’s a lot to expect Feb 09 16:41
zer0c00l me too using virtual box.. Feb 09 16:41
MinceR i’m not sure if the source package will work with a version of ubuntu it wasn’t intended for Feb 09 16:41
zer0c00l but never tried to compile it from source Feb 09 16:41
twitter That is a lot to expect… better to learn on a non production machine. Feb 09 16:41
MinceR i don’t have the time for that now Feb 09 16:42
MinceR besides, there’s no way i’ll let this piece of shit on my personal machine again Feb 09 16:42
MinceR i hope sun goes bankrupt soon Feb 09 16:42
twitter sorry Feb 09 16:43
zer0c00l when i tried to install vbox on my friends laptop…it showed up a strange error and kit..it some times sucks Feb 09 16:43
zer0c00l *quit Feb 09 16:43
twitter I have not had good experiences with kernel 2.6.26 Feb 09 16:44
MinceR i don’t have 2.6.26 Feb 09 16:45
zer0c00l just before i visited #mysql channel , those guys aren’t helpfull Feb 09 16:46
zer0c00l when i tell my problems they are making fun of me :( Feb 09 16:46
MinceR i just avoid mysql when i can Feb 09 16:47
zer0c00l i am fighting with it for last 3 hours with no luck Feb 09 16:47
zer0c00l :( Feb 09 16:47
zer0c00l its not letting me in with default password Feb 09 16:47
MinceR i’d just use the closed source version, but guess what, it’s illegal to use for work Feb 09 16:57
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PetoKraus Oh well Feb 09 17:24
PetoKraus seems like Wine doesn’t like the Open-Source ATI drivers Feb 09 17:24
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toros hi Feb 09 18:01
schestowitz Hi, toros Feb 09 18:09
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PetoKraus right Feb 09 18:24
PetoKraus list of bullshit blogs is increased yet again Feb 09 18:25
PetoKraus (to 4 so far) Feb 09 18:25
schestowitz Which one/s? Feb 09 18:25
PetoKraus Dana Blankenhorne, Mary Jo Foley, Bruce Byfield and the whole PCPro portal Feb 09 18:26
schestowitz Good list \0/ Feb 09 18:45
trmanco omg Feb 09 18:50
trmanco today I worked with SCO open server Feb 09 18:50
toros SCO? Do they still exist? :) Feb 09 18:51
toros I tought nobody uses their products nowadays… Feb 09 18:52
trmanco it was an old computer Feb 09 18:56
twitter PCPro, lord.  I did not pay attention to author names for today’s Slashdot flamebait story.  http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Feb 09 18:56
twitter Barry Collins.  What he wrote there deserves the highest BS rating possible. Feb 09 18:57
twitter Firefox is monopoly, don’t punish M$.  Unbelievable. Feb 09 18:58
twitter SCO is funny.  So familiar, so primitive. Feb 09 19:00
toros PC Pro? Is this some kind of Windows fanboy magazine? Feb 09 19:03
twitter Seems to be. Feb 09 19:03
toros “PC Pro has installed Windows 7 Ultimate on two different netbook models, and found performance is largely unencumbered by running multiple applications. The netbooks were even capable of running advanced features such as Windows Media Center comfortably. “ Feb 09 19:04
toros http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/246859… Feb 09 19:05
twitter nonstarter that’s “comfortable” that’s interesting. Feb 09 19:05
trmanco Open Server from SCO has Microsoft references in it Feb 09 19:05
trmanco referenced* Feb 09 19:06
schestowitz Just found Peter Plamondon, probably James’ brother Feb 09 19:27
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schestowitz There’s also one where his colleague Marshall Goldberg appears. These are some of the Evil People. Feb 09 19:27
twitter They are looking for another person like him.  Come help M$ destroy free software, http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?view… Feb 09 19:31
PetoKraus hahaha roy Feb 09 19:34
PetoKraus brilliant virus sum-up Feb 09 19:34
PetoKraus yesterday Feb 09 19:34
PetoKraus i just wonder Feb 09 19:35
PetoKraus Lewis said city officials began to notice some of the effects of the virus on Wednesday and began a full-fledged effort to quarantine it on Thursday. It had the effect of severely slowing down the operations of computers, he said. Feb 09 19:36
PetoKraus one would think that is not gonna plop off whole French army network…. Feb 09 19:36
schestowitz See Houston. Feb 09 19:50
schestowitz Houston, we have a virus! Feb 09 19:51
PetoKraus yeah Feb 09 20:11
PetoKraus retarded Feb 09 20:11
PetoKraus and the OpenDNS thing Feb 09 20:11
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trmanco what’s up with open dns? Feb 09 20:27
trmanco do you guys wanna know a secret? it OT btw Feb 09 20:31
schestowitz Sure Feb 09 20:35
PetoKraus trmanco: they are offering to filter Conficker traffic Feb 09 20:35
PetoKraus or rather Feb 09 20:35
PetoKraus to block the DNS entries conficker is connecting to Feb 09 20:36
PetoKraus or combination Feb 09 20:36
PetoKraus censorship++ Feb 09 20:36
trmanco what is “Conficker”? Feb 09 20:36
PetoKraus Downadup Feb 09 20:36
trmanco schestowitz, Today is my Bday Feb 09 20:36
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schestowitz trmanco: oh! Happy bday Feb 09 20:40
schestowitz Which #? Feb 09 20:40
trmanco thanks Feb 09 20:40
trmanco 10 Feb 09 20:41
trmanco +9 Feb 09 20:41
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trmanco http://www.fsf.org/news/reoppose-tls-authz-standard Feb 09 21:04
schestowitz OK, I’m posting the next smoking gun. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballmer_… Feb 09 21:05
schestowitz Thanks, trmanco Feb 09 21:06
trmanco ;) Feb 09 21:06
schestowitz Some people address this: Feb 09 21:09
schestowitz Just got a copy.. Feb 09 21:09
schestowitz “Dear IETF: There appears to be a show-stopper in draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/ballot/2081/ It appears that the proposed standard is patent-encumbered.” Feb 09 21:10
schestowitz “1) This violates the EU definition of open standard; 2) It hinders, and in some cases, prevents *use*, and use is what standards are about.  So as such it threatens to impair e-commerce and general web security; 3) It puts the IETF in a bad light to have allowed an apparently patent encumbered payload to get so far along in the standards discussion” Feb 09 21:10
schestowitz “The solution is to remove any items claimed to be patented, or else follow the EU’s requirements for open standard and put in writing that there are no constraints on re-use.  Grant the copyright and patents irrevocably, royalty-free for implementation, use and distribution.” Feb 09 21:10
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schestowitz Ok, it’s another fp, i think… http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballme… Feb 09 21:16
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schestowitz Social media rush as Victorian bushfires rage < http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/web/so… > Feb 09 21:31
schestowitz Google Offers Real-Time Map Of Australian Fires < http://www.webpronews.com/topn… > Feb 09 21:34
trmanco Microsoft POS for .NET Overview | POS = Piece of sh*t Feb 09 21:42
trmanco http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us… Feb 09 21:42
schestowitz Linux is big in POS Feb 09 21:50
schestowitz Microsoft is chasing Linux like a doggie. Actually, SCO was once popular in POSes Feb 09 21:50
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schestowitz Once Again, The AP Tries To Redefine Fair Use; Goes After Shepard Fairey For Obama Poster < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/05/once-again… > Feb 09 22:07
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trmanco thanks schestowitz -> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/jfk-fra… Feb 09 22:28
schestowitz What utter idiocy.. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3454 ( Time for Kindle to go open source ) … I found it in OStatic, I don’t follow him anymore and now I see why Feb 09 22:30
schestowitz http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsto… “Russia and China have been identified as having the most active spy networks operating in the UK but it is understood that some European countries are also involved in espionage attacks against Britain.” Feb 09 22:49
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… “So I am now forbidden from trying to convince anybody about anything. God help this country.” Feb 09 22:50
schestowitz trmanco: good news for Wine, you favoured project:  EVE Online ditches Linux Cedega client recommends Wine < http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/w… > Feb 09 22:52
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trmanco :D Feb 09 22:54
trmanco thanks Feb 09 22:54
schestowitz Hi, metalmayhem420me Feb 09 22:55
metalmayhem420me quiet in here.. Feb 09 23:05
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schestowitz metalmayhem420me: sometimes it’s more active, depending on events. I notice that there’s another new Linux sub-notebook:  http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/digihun… Feb 09 23:15
schestowitz Acer is meanwhile falling under the Microsoft collusion tour (no Linux in US) Feb 09 23:15
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MinceR gn Feb 09 23:31
schestowitz Tomorrow’s a big day Feb 09 23:32
MinceR why? Feb 09 23:32
schestowitz Forbes made up “In “The Open-Source Insurgency” gah! http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/08/mexic… Feb 09 23:33
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