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10.30.09

Sun Microsystems and SirsiDynix Libel GNU/Linux and Free Software

Posted in Free/Libre Software, FUD, GNU/Linux, Kernel, SUN at 6:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Evil faces on pillar

Summary: Two companies are shown for their smears of Free software competitors, one using a leak (probably disgruntled employee) and another using a former employee

OUR READER David Gerard has found this new addition to Wikileaks. Titled “SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies,” the paper contained therein shows an ongoing slander of Free software and it is summarised as follows:

This document was released only to a select number of existing customers of the company SirsiDynix, a proprietary library automation software vendor. It has not been released more broadly specifically because of the misinformation about open source software and possible libel per se against certain competitors contained therein.

SirsiDynix is currently embroiled in a lawsuit with one of the largest public libraries in the U.S. (Queens Borough, NY) and this document does illustrate the less-than-ethical nature of this company.
The source states that the document should be leaked so that everyone can see to what extent SirsiDynix will attempt to spread falsehoods and smear open source and the proponents of open source.

In other news, just two hours ago Pawel let us know that a former Sun employee (and one of the developers of ZFS) is spreading lies about GNU/Linux. We append the communication below for those who wish to read it in isolation.

pawel_pfk hello Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk I found sun is spreading FUD about Linux Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk it’s probably part of solaris 10 advertisement Oct 30 09:35
pawel_pfk last time it was Bonwick, but Dave – Linux dev wrote response on his blog to Bonwick’s lies Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk and now, it’s some other maggot Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk : Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml Oct 30 09:36
phIRCe-local Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB Oct 30 09:36
pawel_pfk he repeats Bonwick bull, but ads more text Oct 30 09:37
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pawel_pfk is there possibility to post article about this? Oct 30 09:45
schestowitz Hey Oct 30 09:46
schestowitz Let me see Oct 30 09:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No #Yahoo for #Microsoft, #CarlIcahn Sued by #GoldmanSachs http://ping.fm/zE2Da Oct 30 09:46
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schestowitz pawel_pfk: is this a new thing? Oct 30 09:47
schestowitz It looks like older stuff Oct 30 09:47
pawel_pfk yes, it’s from current year Oct 30 09:47
pawel_pfk afaik it’s written article is made since 2005 Oct 30 09:48
pawel_pfk it seems it’s still in ‘production’ Oct 30 09:49
pawel_pfk they even quote m$ Balmer there and encourage to read windows evangelism documents Oct 30 09:51
pawel_pfk it’s aimed directly against Linux Oct 30 09:51
pawel_pfk Created Jan 2, 2005.  Last modified: September 15, 2009 Oct 30 09:52
oiaohm Balmer fear of Linux is justified.  Remember Unix guys at one point said that Linux could never take over there markets due to not being able to match what there full time developers were doing. Oct 30 09:52
pawel_pfk so quite new Oct 30 09:52
pawel_pfk sun wants to make more mony on dying cow which Solaris is :> Oct 30 09:53
pawel_pfk money* Oct 30 09:53
pawel_pfk it always attacks Linux – remember Solaris is better Linux than Linux campaign? Oct 30 09:54
oiaohm For a time that was true pawel_pfk Oct 30 09:54
pawel_pfk maybe :) Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm Solaris was the techincally strongest of all the Unix’s. Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk yep, but it was quite long ago Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm Still has some techincal advantages over Linux. Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk yep, ZFS and DTrace Oct 30 09:55
oiaohm But they are fading fast. Oct 30 09:55
pawel_pfk but this article is full of bull Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm 2.6.32 mostly takes out Dtrace Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk typical marceting crap in this case Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk I know :> Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm You forget zones pawel_pfk Oct 30 09:56
oiaohm Linux kernel is still working on catching up with them. Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk oiaohm: yes, but they’re working on them Oct 30 09:56
pawel_pfk in few areas only Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk like zones and fs Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm Othere area is management software. Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk when comes to scallability Linux owns Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm Linux management software still needs more work. Oct 30 09:57
pawel_pfk ok, but let’s not make a flame here :) Oct 30 09:57
oiaohm But that is the list. Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk if you’ll read this article you’ll see there are many lies Oct 30 09:58
oiaohm Link to artical. Oct 30 09:58
oiaohm I entered after link being said here I guess. Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml Oct 30 09:58
phIRCe-local Title: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KB Oct 30 09:58
pawel_pfk and Linux dev response to previous bull: Oct 30 09:59
pawel_pfk http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalability Oct 30 09:59
pawel_pfk sun definetly wants to rise solaris 10 sales by spreading FUD about Linux Oct 30 10:00
pawel_pfk its advertisements are everywhere – phoronix, linux.com (lol) and at some other sides Oct 30 10:01
pawel_pfk sites* sorry Oct 30 10:01
oiaohm That is a older document reposted ie solaris vs Linux Oct 30 10:02
pawel_pfk it’s updated in september 09 Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm 2005 is not when I first saw it. Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm Year 2000 I saw that document. Oct 30 10:02
pawel_pfk alright :) Oct 30 10:02
oiaohm In the context of year 2000 most of it is correct. Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk I found it yesterday and I thought it’s from current year Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk however, they mentioned btrfs there Oct 30 10:03
oiaohm Its really lacking in corrections to keep it update. Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk so it’s being updated all the time Oct 30 10:03
oiaohm Most of the corrections are making the document more and more invalid. Oct 30 10:03
pawel_pfk this is obvious, mostly there are lies :) Oct 30 10:04
oiaohm Lazy writer at work. Oct 30 10:04
pawel_pfk we’ll see if they start linking some sites to this article Oct 30 10:05
pawel_pfk and then, maybe it will be worth to mention something about it? Oct 30 10:06
pawel_pfk if it will happen of course Oct 30 10:06
oiaohm Some of the stuff is still true. Oct 30 10:07
oiaohm Like lack of focus on creating and maintaining the documentation. Oct 30 10:07
oiaohm Blender conf recently almost rioted over it. Oct 30 10:07
pawel_pfk yep, but documentation itself is dead :) Oct 30 10:07
pawel_pfk of course, there are probably some good points, but everything is written to show solaris as perfect os Oct 30 10:08
pawel_pfk and Linux as the worst Oct 30 10:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlexBrown is #Microsoft ’s “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” http://ping.fm/2R9de shameless shill for Microsoft Oct 30 10:08
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oiaohm Yet in recent years solarias documentatio have slipped Oct 30 10:09
oiaohm Same issue as linux not enough people maintaining it. Oct 30 10:09
schestowitz pawel_pfk: is Sun tied to these latest smears? Oct 30 10:09
schestowitz They can say it’s “some guy” Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk schestowits: sun always acts in this way Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm What gets me is it is a pure recycled documents. Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm This is no sun normal method. Oct 30 10:10
oiaohm no/not Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk schestowits: they use blogs and some people to attack others Oct 30 10:10
pawel_pfk probably never directly Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm pawel_pfk: Sun PR teams do act directly. Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk oiaohm: yes? Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm Normally with valid documents. Oct 30 10:11
schestowitz Which blogs? Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk schestowitz: i.e. Bonwick Oct 30 10:11
oiaohm One document is not valid you really have to wonder who. Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk this guy worked at ZFS Oct 30 10:11
pawel_pfk oiaohm: what document? :) Oct 30 10:12
pawel_pfk http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/solaris_inside Oct 30 10:12
phIRCe-local Title: Solaris Inside : Jeff Bonwick’s Blog .::. Size~: 23.54 KB Oct 30 10:12
pawel_pfk he spreaded FUD some time ago on his blog Oct 30 10:13
pawel_pfk and I gave Dave response to this FUD before Oct 30 10:13
pawel_pfk but it’s from 07 afaik Oct 30 10:13
oiaohm It not 100 percent FUD. Oct 30 10:14
oiaohm Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was. Oct 30 10:14
pawel_pfk maybe not 100 percent Oct 30 10:14
pawel_pfk Dave said something else Oct 30 10:14
oiaohm He also pointed to the issue. Oct 30 10:15
oiaohm Fs of Linux was still single data stream. Oct 30 10:15
pawel_pfk and Dave explained why it was like this :) Oct 30 10:15
oiaohm Only fixed in 2.6.32 by the way the data stream issue. Oct 30 10:15
Diablo-D3 [06:11:34] <oiaohm> Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was. Oct 30 10:15
Diablo-D3 probably an accounting error Oct 30 10:16
Diablo-D3 bfs > * Oct 30 10:16
pawel_pfk oiaohm: probably not, because there’s written about this ‘issue’ at lkml and it was configuration problem Oct 30 10:16
pawel_pfk something related to childs Oct 30 10:16
oiaohm It was a mixture of things. Oct 30 10:16
oiaohm When solarias put in zfs they fixed there lower filesystem stack. Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk I checked and even 2.6.8 scalled easily up to 64 CPUs Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm That did make a major performance difference Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk but Bonwick said it was Linux problem, but it was just configuration problem Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm Since 2.6.8 you are aware that Linux has many times doubled it processing on 128 cpu systems. Oct 30 10:17
pawel_pfk there’s a thread about this Oct 30 10:17
oiaohm Ie its yield numbers. Oct 30 10:18
oiaohm These days the 2007 stuff is pointless the issues that caused the yield to be low is mostly gone. Oct 30 10:18
pawel_pfk but it’s not related :) Oct 30 10:18
oiaohm Locks filesystem particular vfs kernel locking . Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm Yes the Blasted big kernel lock. Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk Bonwick said Linux scales worst then Solaris, but Linux scalled much better those times Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk and it scales far better now Oct 30 10:19
pawel_pfk he just lied Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm Under particular work loads Bonwick was right. Oct 30 10:19
oiaohm Filesystem work loads. Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk no, he mentioned SGI Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk and it was explained it was just configuration problem Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm Guess what section Bonwick works on in Solarias Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk he worked on zfs Oct 30 10:20
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pawel_pfk but it doesn’t matter too much Oct 30 10:20
pawel_pfk if sun paid him, he sold his mind ;) Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm Solarias filesystem vfs did not have a big kernel lock in it like Linux. Oct 30 10:20
oiaohm Hitting the lock to lock everything in the vfs was not a good thing. Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk however, Linux had and has RCU Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk and it makes a big difference Oct 30 10:21
oiaohm Only recently did Linux vfs move to RCU Oct 30 10:21
binky morning folks.  has anyone heard more about the layoffs at novell this week? Oct 30 10:21
pawel_pfk those time Bonwick was lying, Linux had RCU Oct 30 10:22
oiaohm If people had taken Bonwick answers in context to where it works we might have got the vfs in Linux fixed sooner. Oct 30 10:22
pawel_pfk oiaohm: its explained in Dave’s response Oct 30 10:22
oiaohm Dave responed to general all round pow Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm pawel_pfk: Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm General all round Dava was right. Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm But there was a pocket of hell. Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk it’s just sun’s nature :) Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk they always attack via blogs etc. Oct 30 10:23
oiaohm Its knowing sun developers. Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk why they didn’t make official statement? Oct 30 10:23
pawel_pfk because they feared Oct 30 10:24
oiaohm Sun developers work inside a particualy field and are known to be tunneled vissioned. Oct 30 10:24
pawel_pfk hehe ;D Oct 30 10:24
oiaohm So if you take there blog posts with that.  They can point you to critical areas of issues. Oct 30 10:24
pawel_pfk but usually those isues are imaginable Oct 30 10:25
pawel_pfk normal devs don’t play in such games Oct 30 10:25
oiaohm I am sorry to say it happens to normal developers as well. Oct 30 10:25
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pawel_pfk normally any dev don’t attack others imho Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk till he’s paid Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm Its like the developers in the Linux kernel saying having to scheduler at fault. Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm Even when it was major locking issues. Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk they’re talking about their project Oct 30 10:26
oiaohm Or that Linux out benches something else. Oct 30 10:26
pawel_pfk I never saw they something like this Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm Most of the time they do include the context sometimes they forget including. Oct 30 10:27
pawel_pfk usually they responed to other benchmarks Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm Normally do correct it. Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm Just sun developers are not known for doing the correct.  They just keep on moving forward. Oct 30 10:27
oiaohm Notice the sun developer did provide context. Oct 30 10:28
pawel_pfk in my opinion in your interest is to protect sun and it seems a little flame is starting, so maybe we’ll better stop here? Oct 30 10:28
oiaohm But if you were developing a storage appliance  << Most people missed it including you pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:28
oiaohm In a storage appliance what is critical. Oct 30 10:28
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oiaohm File system not data processing. Oct 30 10:29
pawel_pfk my point is just to point sun is using blogs to attack Linux and spread lies and FUD about it :) Oct 30 10:29
pawel_pfk I don’t care about other things right now Oct 30 10:29
oiaohm Half the issue is people only have read the post. Oct 30 10:29
oiaohm Take there own context away and cause all kinds of problems. Oct 30 10:30
oiaohm This problem is not unique to sun blogs either. Oct 30 10:30
oiaohm IBM blogs have had the same issue. Oct 30 10:30
pawel_pfk doesn’t change a thing Oct 30 10:30
pawel_pfk they must protect themselves right? Oct 30 10:31
pawel_pfk I said what I wanted to say, I’m not interested in other things Oct 30 10:31
pawel_pfk the fact is sun spreads FUD about Linux using blogs Oct 30 10:31
oiaohm Most of it read correct is not FUD. Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk if IBM do the same against i. e. sun I don’t care Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk nope, it is Oct 30 10:32
treestrump any examples? Oct 30 10:32
oiaohm That one read in context is right pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:32
pawel_pfk there’s no single proof, except some sun benchmarks which isn’t trusworthy Oct 30 10:32
oiaohm Just everyone else reading it complete forgot the “if you were developing a storage appliance”   Oct 30 10:33
pawel_pfk you didn’t read, so you don’t know what I’m according to Oct 30 10:33
oiaohm Its a complete different kettle of fish to developing a cluster to data process. Oct 30 10:33
pawel_pfk some proofs… : Oct 30 10:33
oiaohm There are a lot of different white papers that have been abused same kinds of ways taking bits out of context. Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk one of the titles: Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk Solaris as a cultural phenomenon Oct 30 10:34
oiaohm The biggest classic was “secuirty by obsecuirty”  taken by MS. Oct 30 10:34
pawel_pfk they’ve got to be kidding Oct 30 10:34
oiaohm obsecuirty is creating secrects attackers cannot simply find out.  Ie closed source binaries is not secuirty by obsecuirty because too many people have copies of it. Oct 30 10:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive New Migration to #FreeSoftware in French Authorities; #Gendarmerie Should Delete #Mono http://ping.fm/JG30U Oct 30 10:35
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oiaohm Human nature is to take context wrong pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:36
oiaohm Now you could claim sun blogger are stealthing and cause others to take up FUD by mistake but don’t do FUD themselves. Oct 30 10:36
pawel_pfk True, micro kernels might be a “total crap” if you compare them with the simple uniprocessor kernel of the size of Linux kernel 1.0. But the situation might be a little bit different with SMP-support and related additional complexity of all key subsystems that made kernel 2.6 many times bigger. Oct 30 10:37
pawel_pfk Solaris if far more complex Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk it’s natural 2.6 is bigger, because it brought many imporvements Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk but this person doesn’t understand this Oct 30 10:38
oiaohm Lot of core of Linux is reducing in size pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:38
pawel_pfk so that’s good sin’t it? Oct 30 10:39
oiaohm Sadly there is bloat and duplication to remove.  But its nothing like the ammount MS windows. Oct 30 10:39
oiaohm has in duplication. Oct 30 10:39
pawel_pfk solaris situation is far worse Oct 30 10:40
oiaohm Even micro kernels at times have advantages over Linux in the right locations. Oct 30 10:41
oiaohm Higher crash resistance that micro kernels can have due to less running in ring 0. Oct 30 10:41
pawel_pfk oiaohm: but I’m not interested in this Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk Until version 2.6 Linux just cannot compete on its own outside several highly specialized areas (only SGI has limited success in this area with their highly modified fully 64-bit Linux). The situation is improved with version 2.6 that provides more or less full 64-bit support, but it might be too little and too late to change the dynamics of this flat (or even shrinking) and very conservative market, where each previous investment strongly Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk suggests the next.  You just need to think about IBM mainframes which are still compatible with programs written in early 60th of the last century.  Linux track record in compatibility is simply horrible and as such Linux clearly is out of taste for mainframe buyers. Oct 30 10:42
oiaohm Everything has the price if solarias could not beat Linux in someareas I would be supprised. Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk this is total bull what they said here Oct 30 10:42
pawel_pfk they mention first 2.6 kernel Oct 30 10:42
oiaohm Not total bull  SGI was replacing the 2.4 network stack. Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk and how it is related? Oct 30 10:43
oiaohm That is valid for highly modified. Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk nope Oct 30 10:43
pawel_pfk his according to scallability and 64-bit support Oct 30 10:44
pawel_pfk and he simply lies Oct 30 10:44
pawel_pfk and he also lies about compatibility Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk Linux can run first Linux binaries Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk still* Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm Not 100 percent true pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:45
pawel_pfk this article is not even 5% true ;) Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm IBM mainframes do it by virtualisation support. Oct 30 10:45
oiaohm What Linux is now getting. Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk again you’re wrong Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk Linux kernel can run such old Linux binaries natively Oct 30 10:46
oiaohm There are particular network control calls that current Linux kernel does not have. Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk and how is this related? Oct 30 10:46
oiaohm Particular programs are kernel major numbers dependant. Oct 30 10:46
pawel_pfk and? Oct 30 10:47
pawel_pfk it doesn’t change a thing Oct 30 10:47
oiaohm IBM mainframes get around by being able to virtualize syscalls. Oct 30 10:47
treestrump the ABI’s have changed Oct 30 10:47
oiaohm Same like freebsd. Oct 30 10:47
pawel_pfk another part of FUD: Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk Dump infrastructure in linux is primitive and buggy. Tracing also leaves much to be desired and far behind the capabilities of DTrace.  Due to better instrumentation with proper tuning Solaris 10 can achieve performance comparative or better then linux on X86 architecture. Oct 30 10:48
oiaohm Hopefull at somepoint cgroups provide that to Linux pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk afaik there’s a better tool than dtrace, it’s not such invasive Oct 30 10:48
pawel_pfk they wish solaris will achieve same or better performance on x86 Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm Lack of Dtrace has been a major headache to sorting out performance.  http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5  << Like this. Oct 30 10:49
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oiaohm What we have now. Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm there was a way to create charts from dtrace helping massively. Oct 30 10:49
pawel_pfk currently there are such tools Oct 30 10:49
oiaohm They are only recent pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm At the time of artical it does have some valid points. Oct 30 10:50
pawel_pfk very few Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm Now comared to today its dead. Oct 30 10:50
pawel_pfk article? Oct 30 10:50
oiaohm It has very few points total. Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk yes and they’re usually not correct Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm They are correct. Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm Just over pushed. Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk many are not correct :) Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm Most are correct. Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk but you didn’t read a whole article Oct 30 10:51
oiaohm At that time. Oct 30 10:51
pawel_pfk it’s hard to say to what time this article is related Oct 30 10:52
oiaohm But people are reading way too much into them. Oct 30 10:52
pawel_pfk it seems it’s related to current year, because there was an update Oct 30 10:52
pawel_pfk and they mention Solaris 10, so it must be related to current year Oct 30 10:53
oiaohm Also did you not read the top of the document.    “Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved.” Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk yep Oct 30 10:53
oiaohm unpublished work equals draft. Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk this is a way such cowards like sun acts Oct 30 10:53
pawel_pfk but it’s published :> Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm Should be expected to be spreed over 2005 to 2009 of entries. Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm Declare of unpublished says draft even if it posted or not. Oct 30 10:54
oiaohm Its posted for feed back to correct errors pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:54
pawel_pfk I know, but google bots read it Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk and some people also Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm And that document need a lot. Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk the best would be to delete this bull, too much to correct Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm People are dumb. Oct 30 10:55
pawel_pfk sadly, but true Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm Its not that sun has done anything wrong as such. Oct 30 10:55
oiaohm They are purely depending on the DUMB to turn a draft document into fud. Oct 30 10:56
pawel_pfk nope, their marketing guys probably said it will be a nice solaris 10 advertisement Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm Since the sections in the draft were correct at some time in the 2005-2009 time window they are home free from a white paper Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm Now any white paper that is draft should never be quoted. Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm Because its draft and could have to be corrected. Oct 30 10:57
oiaohm Now if you could find SUN marketing people quoting it you would have them by the balls pawel_pfk Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk it’s unfinished to not let other people act officialy Oct 30 10:58
treestrump unpublished only means it has not been published in a journal, like most blogs Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk so, it seems it’s another sun attack via ‘blog’ Oct 30 10:58
oiaohm unpublished also does not mean released as final version treestrump Oct 30 10:58
pawel_pfk unfinished is a shield in this case Oct 30 10:59
pawel_pfk nobody says it’s a final version Oct 30 10:59
treestrump nobody says it’s a draft either. Oct 30 10:59
pawel_pfk current version is just a piece of bull Oct 30 10:59
oiaohm unpublished documents are also not meant to be quoted from treestrump.  No peer review. Oct 30 11:00
oiaohm For defects. Oct 30 11:00
pawel_pfk for protection and because of cowardness Oct 30 11:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post – Back In Business | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzmkbcg Oct 30 11:00
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pawel_pfk I just wanted to point sun stills spread FUD against Linux, you’ll do what you want :) Oct 30 11:01
oiaohm pawel_pfk: anywhere SUN marketing quote it.  Or is it SUN letting other idiots quote it missing the documents status. Oct 30 11:01
oiaohm Its not FUD as such pawel_pfk Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk they use it just to advertise Solaris 10 and to attack Linux, that’s all Oct 30 11:02
oiaohm They are purely depending on idiot people to run it into FUD. Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk other things don’t matter Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk nope, it’s a fud Oct 30 11:02
pawel_pfk but you proved you have problems to understand some points Oct 30 11:03
pawel_pfk so we don’t have anythin more to talk about :) Oct 30 11:03
oiaohm A pure fud attack attempts to look true document. Oct 30 11:03
oiaohm SUN ones don’t. Oct 30 11:03
pawel_pfk if this article will be finished or more popular think of writing about it Oct 30 11:04
pawel_pfk have a nice day, Bye Oct 30 11:04
*pawel_pfk (n=quassel@82.177.199.102) has left #boycottnovell (“http://quassel-irc.org – Chat comfortably. Anywhere.”) Oct 30 11:04
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oiaohm They have there own veration of it. Oct 30 11:04
oiaohm Copyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved.  << Note the All rights reserved. Oct 30 11:05
oiaohm No one really has the right to publish it to use it. Oct 30 11:05
treestrump it’s just a normal standard copyright notice, thats how they all are. Oct 30 11:08
oiaohm Is it me or pawel_pfk was trying to get us to attack sun without 100 percent valid grounds.   Yes what sun does is far more sneaky but is not FUD because can be disproven quicky. Oct 30 11:08
oiaohm There is no other copyright notices to allow any other usage treestrump  not all are that way. Oct 30 11:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Even Worse Than #Vista in Some Ways — Claim http://ping.fm/XQvac Oct 30 11:10
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oiaohm http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml  Also read the notes on that document treestrump Oct 30 11:12
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oiaohm This paper covers results of the research in progress.  << The line of fear.  Yes research in progress incomplete document. Oct 30 11:13
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