EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

02.16.10

What Apple Teaches Us About Mono and Moonlight

Posted in Apple, Interoperability, Mail, Microsoft, Mono, Novell, Office Suites, Open XML, OpenDocument, OpenOffice, Protocol at 6:37 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Summary: A new story of migration to Microsoft (due to Apple’s reliance on Microsoft) offers an important lesson about the purpose of Novell’s Mono and Moonlight

AS we have shown before, Microsoft’s supine friends at Apple have helped OOXML and continues doing this. Based on the news about “Office for Mac 2011″ [1, 2], Mac OS X will accommodate more promotion of monoculture the Microsoft way. Matt Asay, for example, is a Mac user who extols the virtues of Microsoft Office and openly mocks OpenOffice.org. That’s apparently what Apple enthusiasts are for. Ironically enough, Canonical has made him a COO (a decision that we criticised in [1, 2, 3, 4]). COO rhymes with coup.

As one of our readers has said repeatedly, Microsoft inserts its APIs and non-standards into the competitors’ products and once that’s ‘injected’ they can proceed to infiltrating the server/desktop side interchangeably. As a specific example, this reader gave Office for Mac OS X (or Entourage). Based on the following new example from Internode, he was right. Internode is moving from FOSS to Microsoft Exchange and here is its explanation:

So what changed?

Snow Leopard was the key.

[...]

Apple delivered a huge corporate software upgrade in Snow Leopard, by tightly integrating Exchange client functionality into the operating system – in Apple Mail, iCal, and Contacts.

Now watch this discussion at Linux Today. “The lockin begins at internode,” says Petem. Rainer Weikusat reconstructs the arguments and starts with: “I have rarely seen such an amazing amount of BS in a single text.” Someone from Citadel writes: “Just wait until the first time Exchange blows itself up. That always happens eventually.” And one person says: “To pick this apart. All of your staff needs to have access to configure your filtering? Wow!!! Just plain WOW!!!”

“I have rarely seen such an amazing amount of BS in a single text.”
      –Rainer Weikusat
So anyway, what Microsoft did here is simple. It used proprietary integration with something it controls not to facilitate interoperability but to upsell Microsoft products/stacks. It is the same with Mono and Moonlight. In more or less the same ways, Mono and Moonlight are ramps to Visual Studio, Windows, and other proprietary Microsoft products.

Why are Novell and Microsoft MVP Miguel de Icaza promoting these? We venture to guess that for selfish gain, some people promote this inside GNU/Linux. If their new interests are rewarded by Microsoft, then they would do anything. Stephane Rodriguez told us a couple of years ago: “So far, Microsoft has got all the marketing PR they wanted from “open-source” groups that are remarkably compatible with Microsoft minds. Again, I think those guys are just Microsoft persons who take a pride not to be on their payroll. (DeIcaza told me in the past that he’s rich). [...] DeIcaza took the role of [Microsoft's] Brian Jones, the technical person. (technical person who concentrates on never answering the good questions)…”

Here is Moonlight being used in what seems like a sort of Microsoft advert. Meanwhile we learn from a reader of ours that “Someone made Ada for .NET? (A#)”. Embrace and extend much?

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

5 Comments

  1. mjasay said,

    February 16, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Gravatar

    Correction, Roy. I’m now an Ubuntu (9.10) user. The Mac has been retired, though I continue to appreciate Apple’s design aesthetic (and, yes, continue to believe both that OO.org must significantly improve and that it is chasing a 21st Century computing experience).

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 17, 2010 at 3:52 am

    Gravatar

    Oh. I ought to have used the past tense there. I just didn’t see any indication in your blog that you had moved to GNU/Linux, but I am delighted to hear it! I’ve read all your posts for 4 years

    It’s not that I am disturbed/upset by the use of something other than GNU/Linux, but it’s important to set an example, which is why Richard Stallman, for example, would never use non-Free software. There is nothing more embarrassing to Apple than an Apple executive using Windows (or a Mac-using Windows developer).

    As for OO.org, I really think it fulfills the needs of 80% of more of the users out there. Where it’s lacking usually involves opening some opaque format that Microsoft is complicating on purpose, giving the impression that its competition “fails” to work.

    “In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this.

    “Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also.”

    Bill Gates [PDF]

  3. mjasay said,

    February 17, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Gravatar

    No worries, just trying to give myself credit. :-)

    I’ve used Linux off and on since 2000, and I’m impressed by how “boring” it is now. It just works. I experienced that this morning: needed to make a VOIP call and didn’t have time to install drivers or anything like that. Guess what? I didn’t need to. Everything just worked, out of the box.

    So, the real question now is not “can we make a viable desktop?” but rather, how can we change the nature of the desktop in a way that is even easier for end users and that favors open source?

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Yes, I too have used it since 2000 when there were many perils like multimedia on the Web (proprietary codecs) and an IE monoculture that prevented access to some sites.

    GNU/Linux already succeeds in many areas (as MWC 2010 shows best), but the adoption is similar to that of phones, where very rigid products like tablets and sub-notebooks come prepackaged as though they are proprietary (Chrome OS, Android, maybe MeeGo too).

    In LCA 2010, Allison spoke about how Microsoft is trying to use software patents against all these devices that contain Linux. We need to do more to disrupt patenting of software (Microsoft is still trying to officially bring them to Europe). At the same time, it is worth being prudent when it comes to Microsoft Trojan horses like Mono and Moonlight. Groklaw too has repeatedly criticised Canonical for adoption those (it is based on evidence, not speculation).

  4. Needs Sunlight said,

    February 17, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Gravatar

    Matt, I see your work the last years has been to weaken the position of FLOSS and Open Standards, but in your new job at Canonical I would urge you to reconsider.

    Ubuntu got to where it is, even in the face a long-standing OEM monopoly, by making choices in the direction of Free Software and Open Standards. It would would be a very different matter if either the OEM monopoly went away or it were held by Ubuntu instead of Bill.

    With 10.04 as it stands this moment, Ubuntu has stepped way off the path it has taken to success, way off the path of community spirit, and done a 180. It is no longer competing where it is strong, but instead following Jo and Miguel in their Microsoft worship. If people want Microsoft, they have no shortage of places to get it. If they want a computer that works and performs well, then they have to look elsewhere. One of the places, they could turn, prior to 10.04 was Ubuntu.

    Microsoft can get away with making crappy products and overcharging because of illegal, anti-competitive and predatory marketing. That includes the OEM monopoly that Ubuntu doesn’t have. In fact, Ubuntu doesn’t have any reliable OEM. So the idea of joining the race to the bottom does not make strategic sense — if and only if the goal is to benefit Ubuntu. If the goal is, for example, to weaken Ubuntu to buy more time for Microsoft to work politically then that is one scenario where joining the race to the bottom makes sense.

    Personally, and professionally, I would like to see your experience applied to salvage or repair 10.04 before it goes to press.

What Else is New


  1. Links 29/9/2014: OpenDaylight Helium Release

    Links for the day



  2. European Patent Office Disorganisation: Problems With the Audit Mechanisms - Part IV

    A prelude to a long article about a thug called Topić, his controversial Battistelli-sponsored appointment, and the removal of auditory functions by Battistelli



  3. More Good News About Demise of Software Patents and Along With Them, Consequently, Patent Trolls

    A weekly roundup of news about patents in the United States and elsewhere, with special focus on software patents



  4. IRC Proceedings: June 22nd, 2014 – September 13th, 2014

    Many IRC logs



  5. Links 28/9/2014: Moto X, End of OpenSUSE 11.4

    Links for the day



  6. CBS Continues to Get Heavily Occupied by Microsoft Staff to Spread Microsoft Propaganda

    The CBS-owned ZDNet continues to hire people who have worked or are currently working for Microsoft and unsurprisingly enough they use their newly-acquired positions to praise Microsoft and bash Microsoft's competition, usually with no disclosure of their conflict of interest



  7. Links 27/9/2014: Linux (Almost) Everywhere, Features Of Linux 3.17

    Links for the day



  8. Microsoft Fakes 'Charity' and Uses Religious Groups to Acquire Lock-in in the Public Sector

    Microsoft's involvements with NGOs and with governments lead to more distrust, more surveillance, less freedom, and ultimately systemic corruption



  9. Bill Gates' Privatisation Crusade

    Mr. Gates, seeking to increase his huge profits and political power, reaches out to Catholic leaders and David Christian



  10. Tux Machines Under DDOS Attack

    Most of Tux Machines continues to work as usual, but some parts are temporarily restricted to keep the server running



  11. Links 26/9/2014: LibreOffice Celebrations, Betas of *buntu

    Links for the day



  12. Links 25/9/2014: KDE Roadmap, Bash Bug, GNOME 3.14 in Next Fedora

    Links for the day



  13. Links 24/9/2014: GNOME 3.14 Released, Bash Has a Bug

    Links for the day



  14. Links 21/9/2014: Fedora 21 Alpha

    Links for the day



  15. More of Bill Gates' Investments in GMO and Mass Indoctrination Under the Disguise of 'Donations'

    Microsoft's arrogant and famously corrupt co-founder is taken to task by those whom he is trying to bamboozle for monopoly, unlimited cross-generational power, and never-ending profit without risk



  16. Home Depot Confirmed a Victim of Microsoft's Bad Security, Microsoft Lays Off Security-Related Staff

    News reports circulate showing that Home Depot was knowingly careless with its Windows dependency while Microsoft lays off staff focused on security



  17. European Patent Office/Organisation - Suspicion of Improper Collusion Between EPO President and Chairman of the Administrative Council: Part III

    A preliminary look at Battistelli's reign and how regulatory powers got abolished, leaving the EPO reckless and largely unaccountable



  18. Links 21/9/2014: xorg-server 1.16.1, Linux Kernel 3.16.3

    Links for the day



  19. Links 20/9/2014: GNOME 3.13.92, Android L

    Links for the day



  20. Scanning Patent Troll Implodes; Is the Podcasting Patent Troll Next?

    MPHJ loses and Personal Audio LLC perhaps wins for the last time since software patents are quickly losing legitimacy in the United States



  21. If CAFC is Not Above the Law, Then it Should be Shut Down Now

    A long series of abuses in CAFC may as well suggest that this court has become broken beyond repair



  22. The Latest From Microsoft Patent Trolls and Patent Partners

    Microsoft-linked and Linux-hostile trolls continue their relentless attacks (albeit with little or no success) while patents as a weapon lose their teeth owing to a Supreme Court ruling



  23. Microsoft Proves That Its Massive Layoffs Are Not About Nokia

    Microsoft is laying off a lot of employees who have nothing at all to do with Nokia



  24. Links 19/9/2014: Another Red Hat Acquisition, Netflix Dumps Microsoft Silverlight and Brings DRM to WWW

    Links for the day



  25. Links 18/9/2014: Windows Copying GNU/Linux, Germany Moves to Security

    Links for the day



  26. Web Site 'Patent Progress' Now Officially 'Powered by CCIA' (FRAND Proponent, Microsoft Front)

    After talking a job at CCIA, "Patent Progress" and its chief author should be treated as dubious on real patent progress



  27. Articles About the Death of Software Patents in the United States

    Recent coverage of software patents and their demise in their country of origin, where even proponents of software patents are giving up



  28. The Death of Software Patents is Already Killing Some Major Patent Trolls

    VirnetX seems to be the latest victim of the demise of software patents in the United States



  29. More Microsoft Layoffs

    More Microsoft layoffs go ahead as the company is unable to compete



  30. ODF on the Rise

    Milestones for OpenDocument Format (ODF) and the launch of FixMyDocuments


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts