04.30.10

Gemini version available ♊︎

Keeping Mono Out of Ubuntu 10.04 and Android; HTC Sued Again for Software Patents

Posted in Apple, GNU/Linux, Microsoft, Ubuntu, Windows at 3:56 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Summary: Reminder of Mono’s promotion of proprietary software and attempts at Android inclusion; Klausner takes his trolling tour to HTC

UBUNTU 10.04 has been out for about a day now and reviews of this GNU/Linux distribution have been mostly positive so far. For those who wish to keep Mono out of it, there are new instructions too.

Over at Novell’s de Icaza’s blog, it’s all about Microsoft and Apple this week. This Microsoft MVP announced the use of “Mono’s C# Compiler as a Service on Windows.”

It’s great, isn’t it?

Mono is enriching Windows. That’s partly what it’s intended to achieve [1, 2]. With MonoTouch, which Apple is now blocking [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8], Mono also promotes .NET, but Apple won’t let it be. Novell’s de Icaza writes about that very same issue a little more (no change in policy at Apple) and The Source has posted this strongly-worded response:

That’s how I feel about Mono: don’t give me that shit about Microsoft being selective in enforcing ECMA or non-ECMA coverved parts. Or that as long I get the software from a pre-approved source I’m covered by a “covenant”, as long as I am careful to stay within the lines of the covenant of course.

The bottom line is you have to be insanse to risk large amounts of time and effort that Microsoft won’t choose to enforce its “IP” if your project competes with them. No sane developer would voluntarily add risk to an already risky proposition if they can at all avoid it.

The FSF has already explained why C# is not safe. Microsoft’s patent racket is reaching Android and it doesn’t help that Novell pushes to include C# in Android [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9].

As we mentioned in previous coverage about Microsoft vs Android, there seems to have been some connection between Apple and Microsoft all along. They do compete against one another, but they also share a common enemy that they see in Free/libre software. The big funders of the world’s biggest patent troll are Microsoft, Apple, and Bill Gates (who loves patents in almost every area of life).

Dana Blankenhorn puts forth this baffling analysis:

There are three ways to speculate about Microsoft’s latest Linux patent cross-license, this time with HTC:

1. Microsoft is pushing its weight around (again).
2. Microsoft is aligning with Google against Apple.
3. Microsoft is making peace with everyone.

2 and 3 are ludicrous spin. They are probably not worth commenting on. Blankenhorn asks about Microsoft’s claims: “But what patents? How much? What’s in the fine print? This we are never told. The game has been going on for over three years now — since the first deal with Novell — and the public is still being kept in the dark.”

It all started with Novell (and Novell initiated this) and the latest victim is HTC.

The sad news is that HTC has just been sued again, possibly for its Android handsets. The plaintiff is Klausner, who is somewhat of a patent troll whom we wrote about in [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8] (more links in TechDirt).

Inventor Judah Klausner added HTC Corp to the list of big phone makers against which he has filed lawsuits alleging infringement of technology patents related to visual voicemail.

LG is also a victim of Klausner and LG — like HTC — pays Microsoft for Linux. Klausner is a patent troll that we wrote about many times before and it is possible that Android will suffer some more from such trolls (e.g. caller ID being removed due to intimidation from a software patent holder), including from those giants who sometimes fund them, namely Microsoft and Apple, which also sued HTC.

Share in other sites/networks: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Reddit
  • email

Decor ᶃ Gemini Space

Below is a Web proxy. We recommend getting a Gemini client/browser.

Black/white/grey bullet button This post is also available in Gemini over at this address (requires a Gemini client/browser to open).

Decor ✐ Cross-references

Black/white/grey bullet button Pages that cross-reference this one, if any exist, are listed below or will be listed below over time.

Decor ▢ Respond and Discuss

Black/white/grey bullet button If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

5 Comments

  1. Needs Sunlight said,

    May 3, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Gravatar

    The instructions to remove Mono are good. It would be better if Canonical sharpened up and got rid of the Mono Guard before they cause more harm. Microsoft really is a way of thinking and if that spreads, soon we’ll have the Linux distros rewritten to require 100x more resources and re-designed to spread malware.

    One mistake in Alan’s latest: it was “DirectHex” who tried to pull one over on Alan by telling him to remove sqlite. “DirectHex” got caught and the correction was made by Evan Stevens back on November 2nd, 2009 :

    http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/10/29/how-to-remove-mono-from-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    The Mono folks are developing a Mono version of sqlite.

  2. Needs Sunlight said,

    May 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Gravatar

    If these characters really wanted to help people, they would promote coding in something like Python/Qt or Java/Jambi. These are perfectly cross-platform, and very functional and, unlike MS products, good quality.

    http://www.python.org/
    http://java.com/en/
    http://qt.nokia.com/products

    Java and Python are free to use, even in commercial products and services. Same with Qt.

  3. bean.java said,

    May 3, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Gravatar

    I may be new here and not really know how to fully search for mono but a quick try of the advise here showed that Monono isn’t in Xubuntu 10.04 which is the XFCE remix of ubuntu. none of the mentioned libraries/programs/”whatever” that it advises to remove was found installed

  4. Dr. Roy Schestowitz said,

    May 4, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Gravatar

    @bean.java

    I don’t think that Mono is installed by default in Xubuntu.

DecorWhat Else is New


  1. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 31, 2023

    IRC logs for Wednesday, May 31, 2023



  2. Tux Machines Closing the Door on Twitter Because Twitter is Dead (for a Lot of People)

    Tux Machines recently joined millions of others who had already quit Twitter, including passive posting (fully or partly automated)



  3. Links 31/05/2023: Inkscape’s 1.3 Plans and New ARM Cortex-A55-Based Linux Chip

    Links for the day



  4. Gemini Links 31/05/2023: Personality of Software Engineers

    Links for the day



  5. Links 31/05/2023: Armbian 23.05 Release and Illegal UPC

    Links for the day



  6. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 30, 2023

    IRC logs for Tuesday, May 30, 2023



  7. Gemini Protocol About to Turn 4 and It's Still Growing

    In the month of May we had zero downtime (no updates to the system or outages in the network), which means Lupa did not detect any errors such as timeouts and we’re on top of the list (the page was fixed a day or so after we wrote about it); Gemini continues to grow (chart by Botond) as we’re approaching the 4th anniversary of the protocol



  8. Links 31/05/2023: Librem Server v2, curl 8.1.2, and Kali Linux 2023.2 Release

    Links for the day



  9. Gemini Links 31/05/2023: Bayes Filter and Programming Wordle

    Links for the day



  10. [Meme] Makes No Sense for EPO (Now Connected to the EU) and Staff Pensions to be Tied to the UK After Brexit

    It seems like EPO staff is starting to have doubts about the safety of EPO pensions after Benoît Battistelli sent money to reckless gambling (EPOTIF) — a plot that’s 100% supported by António Campinos and his enablers in the Council, not to mention the European Union



  11. Working Conditions at EPO Deteriorate and Staff Inquires About Pension Rights

    Work is becoming a lot worse (not even compliant with the law!) and promises are constantly being broken, so staff is starting to chase management for answers and assurances pertaining to finances



  12. Links 30/05/2023: Orc 0.4.34 and Another Rust Crisis

    Links for the day



  13. Links 30/05/2023: Nitrux 2.8.1 and HypoPG 1.4.0

    Links for the day



  14. Gemini Links 30/05/2023: Bubble Version 3.0

    Links for the day



  15. Links 30/05/2023: LibreOffice 7.6 in Review and More Digital Restrictions (DRM) From HP

    Links for the day



  16. Gemini Links 30/05/2023: Curl Still Missing the Point?

    Links for the day



  17. IRC Proceedings: Monday, May 29, 2023

    IRC logs for Monday, May 29, 2023



  18. MS (Mark Shuttleworth) as a Microsoft Salesperson

    Canonical isn’t working for GNU/Linux or for Ubuntu; it’s working for “business partners” (WSL was all along about promoting Windows)



  19. First Speaker in Event for GNU at 40 Called for Resignation/Removal of GNU's Founder

    It’s good that the FSF prepares an event to celebrate GNU’s 40th anniversary, but readers told us that the speakers list is unsavoury, especially the first one (a key participant in the relentless campaign of defamation against the person who started both GNU and the FSF; the "FSFE" isn't even permitted to use that name)



  20. When Jokes Became 'Rude' (or Disingenuously Misinterpreted by the 'Cancel Mob')

    A new and more detailed explanation of what the wordplay around "pleasure card" actually meant



  21. Site Updates and Plans Ahead

    A quick look at or a roundup of what we've been up to, what we plan to publish in the future, what topics we shall focus on very soon, and progress moving to Alpine Linux



  22. Links 29/05/2023: Snap and PipeWire Plans as Vendor Lock-in

    Links for the day



  23. Gemini Links 29/05/2023: GNU/Linux Pains and More

    Links for the day



  24. Links 29/05/2023: Election in Fedora, Unifont 15.0.04

    Links for the day



  25. Gemini Links 29/05/2023: Rosy Crow 1.1.1 and Smolver 1.2.1 Released

    Links for the day



  26. IRC Proceedings: Sunday, May 28, 2023

    IRC logs for Sunday, May 28, 2023



  27. Daniel Stenberg Knows Almost Nothing About Gemini and He's Likely Just Protecting His Turf (HTTP/S)

    The man behind Curl, Daniel Stenberg, criticises Gemini; but it's not clear if he even bothered trying it (except very briefly) or just read some inaccurate, one-sided blurbs about it



  28. Links 29/05/2023: Videos Catchup and Gemini FUD

    Links for the day



  29. Links 28/05/2023: Linux 6.4 RC4 and MX Linux 23 Beta

    Links for the day



  30. Gemini Links 28/05/2023: Itanium Day, GNUnet DHT, and More

    Links for the day


RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

Recent Posts