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10.19.11

Android 4 is Linux Checkmate

Posted in Apple, GNU/Linux, Google, Microsoft at 5:03 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Game of chess

Summary: Linux is beating Microsoft and Apple, both on the technical side and the sales side

IN OUR latest batch of links we included quite a few stories about Android 4.0.x, which is deployed on phones that are better than Apple’s (and any other company’s line of products). Short of patent extortion, it seems unlikely that Apple and Microsoft can do anything about it now. In coming posts we are therefore going to track and tackle patent attacks on Android, which now involve lobbyists, fake ‘reports’, litigation (directly or through trolls), and AstroTurfing.

Before we proceed to some stories of interest (most likely tomorrow) we’ll leave readers with some links of interest:

This whole Siri hype is nonsensical because Android had that well over a year ago. Apple has truly become juvenile, aggressive, and arrogant. It is already making up excuses for not selling as many hypePhones as it hoped to sell and its phones are inferior on the hardware side (see the links posted earlier), which makes hypePhone the “Android for kids”. Linux is all grown up.

“Android is the Linux desktop dream come true.” –Google’s Chris DiBona

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18 Comments

  1. Michael said,

    October 19, 2011 at 8:21 pm

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    FUD:
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    IN OUR latest batch of links we included quite a few stories about Android 4.0.x, which is deployed on phones that are better than Apple’s (and any other company’s line of products).
    —–
    Repeatedly Apple’s phones have been shown to have the highest user satisfaction ratings. This is *the* stat that is most important in deciding which is “best”.

    FUD:
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    Short of patent extortion, it seems unlikely that Apple and Microsoft can do anything about it now.
    —–
    Roy is libeling MS and Apple with unsupported accusations.

    FUD:
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    This whole Siri hype is nonsensical because Android had that well over a year ago.
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    This is easy to show as being false. Siri has been an iOS-only technology since before Apple bought the company, improved the technology, and integrated it into their OS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siri_(software)

    Even if look at just voice technologies, Roy does nothing to try to show that this is as good in Android as it is in iOS. And there is easy to find counter info: http://www.pcworld.com/article/242198/apples_siri_vs_androids_voice_actions_feature_showdown.html “Third-party apps aside, Siri appears to have the advantage over Voice Actions and Google doesn’t have much of an answer with Ice Cream Sandwich.”

    FUD:
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    Apple has truly become juvenile, aggressive, and arrogant.
    —–
    Silly libel by Roy.

    FUD:
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    It is already making up excuses for not selling as many hypePhones as it hoped to sell and its phones are inferior on the hardware side (see the links posted earlier), which makes hypePhone the “Android for kids”.
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    Major sour grapes by Roy – he even sinks to the juvenile “hypePhones” phrase.

  2. walterbyrd said,

    October 20, 2011 at 9:21 am

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    Micheal, you are wrong about everything, as usual.

    1. The fact that MS and Apple are engaged in a patent extortion racket has been very well documented, here and elsewhere. Google for it.

    2. Apple fanboyz can swoon over every Apple product all they want. The hw superiority in some Android phones cannot be denied.

    3. As I understand it, Siri was supposed to come out for other platforms, but apple bought the company, and stopped those development efforts.

    4. Unless somebody can prove that Apple is *not* “juvenile, aggressive, and arrogant” then it’s not liable.

    Michael Reply:

    FUD:
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    Micheal, you are wrong about everything, as usual.
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    When you start by claiming someone is never right you are showing you are just looking to support your own biases. That is what you are doing… I suggest you try to seek truth.

    FUD:
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    1. The fact that MS and Apple are engaged in a patent extortion
    racket has been very well documented, here and elsewhere. Google
    for it.
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    If you think there is such “documentation” then show it. Roy repeatedly makes the accusation. I have not seen him support it. He does repeatedly lie about the situation and pretend it is wrong for one to defend their own IP. Remember, Samsung keeps losing in the courts, I have shown multiple pieces of evidence showing their copying of Apple, etc.

    FUD:
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    2. Apple fanboyz can swoon over every Apple product all they
    want. The hw superiority in some Android phones cannot be denied.
    —–
    While there might be some “Appel fanboys” like the ones you describe, the same can be said of “Linux cultists”. Look at you and Roy: insisting that devices which do not please customers as much as do Apple’s do are undeniably better. Huh? How can second-rated items be undeniably the best? Your “logic” is completely wrong.

    FUD:
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    3. As I understand it, Siri was supposed to come out for other
    platforms, but apple bought the company, and stopped those
    development efforts.
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    Irrelevant. Roy claimed it *was* on Android. It never was. See comments above about even just trying to say the equal was on Android.

    FUD:
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    4. Unless somebody can prove that Apple is *not* “juvenile,
    aggressive, and arrogant” then it’s not liable.
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    LOL! There is no reason to think it is. Roy made things up to serve his own bias. But, being just silly insults without direct claims, I suppose it might not be “libel”, just unsupported BS that shows his (and your) bias.

    All I ask is for Roy to stop making things up and actually support his claims. But he cannot – to do that he would have to start making accurate claims.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    @walterbyrd it’s better not to feed the known trolls. We have a policy against comment censorship, but this one is a known troll.

    Michael Reply:

    If you *really* thought I was wrong you and your buddies would be able to refute what I say. Notice how you don’t. Heck, below you post a rant of over 8000 words where you do not manage to get around to even *trying* to refute a single one of my claims.

    All you can do is post over 8000 words of outright attacks against me.

    Wow. Just wow. I have never seen anyone have such a public break down on their own blog. But whatever. I prefer to talk about tech topics and not your obvious anger problems.

  3. walterbyrd said,

    October 20, 2011 at 11:12 am

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    Please stop lying. Roy is not “making things up” and you know it. Why not try following the links. Roy has documented the MS/Apple patent extortion racket many times – I think you must know that by now, but you keep lying about it. There are many, many, examples of this patent extortion – such as Apple suing Samsung for “rounded corners” as if Apple invented that, or as if it’s a significant “invention.”

    As to HW superiority, that can be objectively proved. For example: speed of processors, amount of memory, size of display, screen resolution, and so on.

    Michael Reply:

    FUD:
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    Please stop lying. Roy is not “making things up” and you know it.
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    I have repeatedly shown claims of his which are not supported or, in some cases, clearly incorrect. See above. To claim I “know” something which is contrary to the facts is clearly FUD.

    FUD:
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    Why not try following the links. Roy has documented the MS/Apple patent extortion racket many times – I think you must know that by now, but you keep lying about it.
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    Here you are making a claim about Roy and an accusation against me but show no support. No, I do not believe Roy has ever shown such an “extortion racket”. That is his dishonest name for the IP battles going on – the very ones where even his favored companies are suing people but he does not include them in such a “racket”.

    FUD:
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    There are many, many, examples of this patent extortion – such as Apple suing Samsung for “rounded corners” as if Apple invented that, or as if it’s a significant “invention.”
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    Apple never sued anyone for “rounded corners”. This is simply a lie. Also remember that the fact Samsung has been copying Apple is very well supported. Here are some examples:

    http://goo.gl/NAIe0
    http://goo.gl/ewNY6
    http://goo.gl/S2AJR

    Additionally, multiple courts have sided with Apple – to the point that the Samsung copycat products have been banned from sale. Also keep in mind that Apple tried to keep this out of the courts – they contacted Samsung (Jobs directly, not some lawyer, if reports are to be believed).

    Also note that the current Samsung products are *not* copying Apple’s looks (at least not as much – I have not seen the packaging, power supplies, etc.) and Apple has not lifted a finger against them. The narrative of Apple being the mean one, trying to stifle competition, is not supported by the evidence.

    FUD:
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    As to HW superiority, that can be objectively proved. For example: speed of processors, amount of memory, size of display, screen resolution, and so on.
    —–
    You are now changing the topic from one product being better than another (a subjective assessment) to specific, hand-picked hardware components you think are better in a product you want to support. This is utter FUD. What matters with a tool is how well it serves someone – how much it pleases them. The stats you list help to build a pleasing product, but they are not evidence of one product being better than another. If they were, a box of high end parts would be a great “phone”. This is clearly not the case. Silly, really.

    The bottom line here is that Apple products repeatedly top customer satisfaction surveys. Users find the Apple products to be superior. Now this is not universal – and many find *for them* another company’s product to be better… I am certainly not suggesting that such surveys be the only criteria for an individual to decide what will serve them best. That would be daft. But when you talk “better” as an overall claim, those surveys are the best data we have.

    Mikko Reply:

    apple fanboi fud

    Michael Reply:

    Wow… such a strong argument.

    LOL!

    Really: if I was wrong you would be specific. You cannot find flaw with what I am saying and it irks you. So be it.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    It’s not an “apple fanboi”, it is an Internet troll. Even Apple newsgroups have him killfiled. Some quotes from this threat:

    2- Alan Baker: “People’s perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour and
    not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you’d leave too.
    Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I have
    never made the same wish of him.” 27 Feb 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
    3- Andrew J. Brehm: “You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you
    are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
    newsgroup.” 27 Feb 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
    4- AZ Nomad: “The fact that you routinely change your headers to weasel
    out of killfiles proves that you’re an asshole.” 25 Jun 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
    5- Andy/news/nospam: “Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not just
    let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you are? You
    could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above the low
    level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop….” 26 Apr 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
    6- B.B.: “Does the From: header contain the string “Snit”? If yes, then
    troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire, but
    it’s fixed now.” 13 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
    7- BaJoRi: “You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who has read
    your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be wrong, then
    added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be a fool. You
    need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you are an
    intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar.” 11 Nov 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
    8- bobinnv: “I learned some time ago how much better this group can be if
    you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don’t do the
    same..” 5 Aug 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
    9- Bob B.: “This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group, but
    since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
    discussion about anything. The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for
    some reason, some people just can’t stop feeding him.” 27 Dec 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
    10- °b° unny: Subject “snit makes me sad”, Text “really actually =:-(”
    9 Oct 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
    11- Brian: “LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on the
    USENET than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative attention. We
    will read about him in the news some day soon going on a shooting
    rampage. Somebody should get the pychopath some help before he VT’s a
    bunch of people. 29 May 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489
    12- buzz off: “Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and Steve don’t
    help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn’t need to do. We would
    all be better off if you just ignore him. 17 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548
    13- Carlo Coggi: “He must believe he is surrounded by ‘trolls’ … in the
    groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like snit
    would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn’t see his posts, only your
    reply”. 07 Aug 2006 (available only in reply)
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ea48f7a84115fd1
    14- C Lund: “Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it’s time for you to
    learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
    Usenet browser has a kill-filter.” 5 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
    15- cc (COLA): “You are incapable of letting anything go. In fact, I
    guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours. Hell, I’d be
    surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I
    could make this little side topic go on forever, because you are a
    complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or to
    you, even if it just means repeating yourself.” 1 Feb 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
    16- Chance Furlong: “HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve Carroll and Tim
    Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You, on the other hand, are a
    troll.” 27 Aug 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f
    17- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): “I try to go more by the contents of the
    posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is not
    worth the effort.” 14 Feb 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
    Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): “Actually, many of the advocates are sick to death
    of Snit’s never-ending puerile blather about trivialities. The
    occasional reasonable conversations are too few and far between.” 6 Mar
    2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/811326833ba71864
    18- Chris Clement: “ugh….geez man…..let it go” 5 Jul 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2
    19- chrisv (cola): “No, she called him ‘shit’, and rightly so, for they
    way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot, and
    simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It’s now far too late
    to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him…” 12 Sep 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
    20- Code Orange: “Then why post it? What need is there for you to “win”
    an argument? They don’t like you, you don’t like them. Why must you keep
    this up? What results are you expecting?”
    21- CozmicDebris: “I’m done with your three year old games. The archives
    show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
    list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it any
    further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
    problem”. 22 Nov 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
    22- cshenk: “I happen to believe him over you… and I doubt I’d be the
    only person in this ng to do so. You have given people a lot of
    ‘evidence’ that you are dishonest… as ‘evidenced’ by the quotes
    list.” …. “Why stop with Jonas? Why not call the entire list of people
    on your quotes list ‘liars’? After all, they have all labeled you a liar,
    troll or worse.” 27 Nov 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/909a59de04850ef5
    23- Dave Fritzinger: “[snip of stuff I really don't care to read] Snit,
    please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
    please, please, GO AWAY!!!!” 2 Jun 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
    24- Dawg Tail: “PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all
    of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many
    diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the
    problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn’t
    require an advanced degree to figure out.” 30 Dec 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
    25- Donald L McDaniel: “Jesus, snit. You’re a teacher. I thought you knew
    what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was presented to
    you. I guess I had too much confidence in you.” 30 Nov 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
    26- ed: “snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and loser
    you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i stop
    responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
    responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it’s tough for the
    magnitude of your ‘loserdom’ to stick, so it loses some of it’s sharpness
    when i stop responding to you. you almost always start responding back in
    a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it’s once again that time.
    i can only ask that you pass my condolences to your wife and unborn child
    for having to put up with such a dishonest fool as yourself. (well, if
    your wife is a loser as well, just pass those condolences to the rug-rat
    to be; if not, double condolences to her). ” 30 Apr 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
    27- Edward Stanfield: “Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
    honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar
    in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
    puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
    shills. They are the only ones who ever support him.” 28 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
    28- Edwin: “You’ve got to be out of your mind, Snit. You’re the worst
    troll this group has ever seen. You’re a liar and a forger, and you’ve
    almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
    out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
    labled as a “peace effort” has to be one of the craziest stunts you’ve
    pulled. It’s all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
    center stage at all times. You’d publicly eat dog turd if you thought it
    would make people look at you.” 18 May 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
    29- Elijah Baley: “Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see a
    doctor.” 24 Aug 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
    30- Elizabot v2.0.2: “I see you were unable to respond to the points in
    my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
    childishly typical of you, Snit.” 16 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
    31- Fa-groon: “I don’t read Snit period. He’s been killfiled since the
    first day I posted here. [....] I don’t want to ‘do like Snit’. As far as
    I’m concerned, Snit doesn’t even exist.” 15 Aug 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
    32- fibercut: “That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
    CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides the
    typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like being in
    a room of really young children trying there best to best the other
    person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you. I hate to
    be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle of a
    great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and more
    about “look everybody, I think he lied”. Is there no end then all this
    picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always been al
    little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the point that
    this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA and making
    this place your own personal circus.” 12 Jan 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
    33- Geezer:
    Snit: “Steve Carroll has no sense of morality”
    Geezer: “Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover his
    lies and deceit;)”
    Snit: “and no clue about the law.”
    Geezer: ‘Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are “proof”.
    LOL! (snip more of Snit’s unsupported lies)’ 1 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
    34- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): “The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
    how stupid he is… What a mar00n”. 30 Aug 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
    35- George Graves: “Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
    (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you crazy
    with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
    cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
    submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to
    hit and run. NEVER engage him, it’s a futile, empty procedure that will
    only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!” 27 Oct 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
    36- gimme_this_gimme_that: “Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?” 4 Mar 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
    37- Glenn Hall (COLA): “That person is like a constantly running toilet
    that won’t stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI consistency? No
    matter what anyone replies, he adds a few more branches to the spider web
    as it grows and grows. It’s a waste of time.” 31 Oct 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c
    38- Greycloud: “You really shouldn’t lie like that. Everyone else notices
    that you are not honest and you have no honor.” 21 Jan 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
    39- H: “Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads, are
    you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor people
    cause that’s just retarded but if you dont fix it I’m gonna have to cause
    I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your client
    or something”. 12 Sep 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
    40- Hadron (COLA): “Would you please stop the whining. FFS he has you
    jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times are you going to
    post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at least change the record
    sometimes!!!!!!!” 13 Aug 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473
    41- Henry Flam: “You on the other hand must be a deeply troubled
    individual who has a fragile ego. I needn’t agree nor disagree with the
    points above. I don’t care about them. Your constant complaints, whines,
    rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as
    trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit
    around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don’t accept
    that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your
    solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail.” 18
    Aug 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
    42- Heywood Mogroot: “*plonk*” Aug 19 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f
    43- -hh: ‘Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
    “synonymous”. It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt to
    maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such, I
    consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me. This
    is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
    reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
    both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
    “responsible”.’ 25 Feb 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
    44- High Plains Thumper: “Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe Crump and
    ad nauseum). I’ve got Snit kill binned, because he is the classic ad
    hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable, but then it always degrades
    into name calling bullying, the responder is a liar, etc. AKA the Snit
    Circus of Pathological Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable are
    when he is properly controlled by medication.” 21 Sep 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85
    45- Homer (COLA): “I don’t mean this as a personal insult, but I’m
    perfectly serious when I say ‘Snit’ (Michael Glasser) is obviously
    mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to suggest that someone alerts
    his wife to the problem, but I have to assume she’s already aware of his
    condition, if she is in fact still living with him. It’s possible, I
    suppose, that he’s already undergoing counselling and/or on medication,
    but if he is then it doesn’t seem to be helping much. Maybe he just
    missed his ‘meds’ today (again, I mean that sincerely).” 26 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
    Homer: “Word of advice for anyone concerned: don’t be tempted to get
    drawn into a Snit circus, it’s literally a waste of time. He’s just an
    attention seeker who’ll keep stringing you along, in a never-ending
    circle of obtuse questions, for which he has no genuine interest in the
    answers.” 14 Oct 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058
    46- hophead: “I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for a
    long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
    morons, but I’ve never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
    circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of his
    opponents. A good kill file is your only hope.” 20 Aug 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
    47- Jamie Hart (cola): “It seems that since you are unable to offer
    support for your statements, you’re reduced to personal attacks on me.
    Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
    straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state as
    facts can be true. I’m really sorry that you’re taking this attitude, the
    topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some insights.
    I’ve snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid answering
    any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just repeated.” 6
    Dec 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
    48- Jason McNorton: “You’re one of the many, many paranoid people on
    usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
    your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over. Either
    you’re a super troll, or you’re a super mess.” 1 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
    49- JEDIDIAH (cola): “You’re simply full of shit.” 27 Feb 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cdddf5fd04d9afcb
    50- Jeff B.: “Yo, Snit. We’re not pals. I think you’re a git.” 23 Dec
    2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
    51- Jeff Hoppe: “This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
    recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won’t help me achieve
    a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and those
    kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as this.” 18 Nov
    2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
    52- Jesus: “Really, Snit. It’s annoying. What are you accomplishing
    besides being annoying? Is that your goal?” 25 Apr 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
    53- Jim Lee Jr.: “Snit, read the thread’s title, is Bush mentioned in it?
    You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack threads.”
    54- Jim Polaski: “Why is it that nearly every thread you’re involved in
    seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
    things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
    stop this crap. Try. How about it?” 25 Apr 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
    55- Jim Richardson (cola): “And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
    actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I suppose.”
    “Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for his
    claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean, you
    *are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?” 8 Feb 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
    56- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: “and Snithead has even farther to fall -
    in a few weeks he’ll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
    passersby ‘sucky sucky, $2…’” 23 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
    57- John C. Randolph: “You’re nothing but a troll yourself. What are you
    bitching about?” 1 Dec 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665
    58- JohnOfArc (cola): “I’m not sure “troll” does it justice- more like a
    black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain an
    unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up? Please??”
    11 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
    59- John Q. Public: “I have not been bothered to read Snit’s postings
    since I figured out who he is. I don’t bother to filter his posts, I just
    consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his name.” 7 Jan
    2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
    60- John Slade: “I don’t get posts from Snit. I wouldn’t be shocked that
    he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
    repairman and teacher. He’s just plain loony and best ignored. Let him
    deal with his disorder by medication. He’s here to do one thing, get
    attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
    You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that’s what he’s
    counting on, he says stuff he knows isn’t true in hopes to get a rise out
    of people like you. Ignore him, you won’t regret it.” 3 Apr 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
    John Slade: “Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding
    drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my
    killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK.” 13 Oct 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
    61- Josh McKee: “I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in your
    mind. …. What is obnoxious are your posts.” 26 Jul 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44
    62- K E: “I haven’t read this board for awhile but I see that even though
    the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot is mostly
    being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers that keep
    replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this place
    could be worth coming back to. There’s a good chance he’ll pack up and
    take his trolling to more fertile ground.” 22 Oct 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
    63- KK: ‘Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
    “Ah” like you’d just realized something profound.’ 29 Oct 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
    64- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): “Funny how you simply don’t bother reading
    the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
    excrescence. Maybe some day you’ll learn how to support your position,
    instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping it’ll
    all go away.” 7 Mar 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
    65- Ku Karlovsky (cola): “You repeatedly chastise others for ad hominem
    attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks. You
    make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You’re a
    liar and a hypocrite and you always have been.” 14 Jul 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
    66- Lars Trager: “Yes, you are stupid.” 7 Jan 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
    67- Lawrence D’Oliveiro (COLA): “You seem to be full of complaints about
    your inability to hold up your end
    of the argument, aren?t you?” 16 Mar 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ca5f48099696228
    68- Lefty Bigfoot: “Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time, but
    the few times you post something worth reading just aren’t worth it
    anymore. *plonk*” 16 Dec 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
    69- Liam Slider (cola): “Maybe he’s responding to the fact you’ve been an
    annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense of
    trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is trashtalk
    about Linux and you acting every bit the troll.” 16 Jul 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
    70-libcrushersmith: “Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS News
    and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
    changes the subject and will never admit he’s wrong.” 28 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
    71- libsnightmare: “You’re a sore loser who has resorted to fifth grade
    tactics. How fucking sad – all this clown has left is to edit posts and
    post fake bullshit. You can’t debate… so you lie. Once again, you have
    proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad…” 4 May 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
    72- Linonut (cola): “Snit may be the first retraction of my general
    killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping, back-
    tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that effete
    candy-ass beggars belief”. 30 Aug 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
    73- Lloyd Parsons: “Well, I don’t know if Oxford is the most cretinous, I
    would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-) ” 18 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
    74- Lewis: “hasn’t this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I don’t
    think anything is ever going to fix snit.” 02 Mar 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
    75- Lusotec (COLA): “You have started threads on this subject many times,
    and many times it has been explained to you how X copy & paste should
    work and how bugs in a application are not bugs in the system, but still
    you return to this subject and post the same false statements.” 09 Mar
    2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/37032133fbe9db92
    76- Marious Barrier (COLA): “I must recognize that it is the first time I
    see that kind of troll, once that start asking moderately serious
    questions and since the first answer, gradually starts to degenerate it
    by, in many failed attempts of being sarcastic, inserting various
    indirect insults and calling all people ignorant and unable to answer
    what he asks for.” 14 Oct 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821
    77- Mark Kent (cola): “The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
    same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would be
    impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual dishonesty
    ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very keen on
    proverbs, and I recall her going over the “cry wolf” story. Mr Glasser
    could “cry wolf” over and over now, and I would not come to help him with
    his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if he’s ever
    telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has.” 2 Dec 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
    78- Mayor of R’lyeh: “The fact is that he’s probably pulling it to this
    post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
    today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
    videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a DVD
    of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got mad
    because we quit making him the center of attention and made that kid on
    the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
    block our view of it. That’s how Snit lives his whole life.” 30 Sep 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
    79- McGarnagle: “And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of the biggest
    nutjobs in AGA – RichL and El Kabong – you know he’s not very bright and
    a loon.” 31 Oct 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
    80- Michelle Ronn: “The real topic here is that one someone refutes your
    ‘facts’, you run away and ignore them. Refuting your ‘facts’ is easily
    done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it.” 9 Feb 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
    81- Mike: “Nonsense. I never see you “advocate” anything. All I see you
    doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You’re the
    TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that’s *not* a compliment!” 8 Jul 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
    82- Mike Dee: “I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I can
    only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
    inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged you
    actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek professional
    help.”
    “The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made no
    threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
    Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point, Elizabot
    was suddenly “threatening” to you. In so much as you had to take your
    kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
    about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
    valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they have
    Kook with a capital “K” written at the top of your profile, Snit.” 2 Sep
    2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
    83- mmoore321: “Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
    rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious. Treat
    him the same way, look but just keep moving on.” 18 Aug 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
    84- Mojo: “Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are off-
    topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly show
    that you are crying out for attention.” 20 Sep 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
    85- Mr. Blonde: “Lastly, I can’t help but comment on the fact that your
    obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
    Killfilling someone generally implies you’re ignoring that person, yet
    you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
    website’s validation status more often than most people check their e-
    mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual.” 19
    Jan 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
    86- MR_ED_of_Course: “Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
    kindergarten and see if the kids there can’t teach you a thing or two
    about social behavior.” 16 May 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
    87- Muahman: “Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard
    circus!!! I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
    automatically means it’s in the toilet.” 8 Jul 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
    88- Mutley (AUK): “For the record … I’ll be done when I decide that
    there’s more shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe.” 01
    Nov 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
    89- Nashton/Nasht0n: “Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn’t convinced that
    snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly am
    now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?” 29 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
    90- New Bee: “Honest and honorable? You? You’ve either got a wry sense of
    humor, or you’re completely nuts. Either way you’re just a waste of time,
    and you’ve done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool. Then you
    revel in wallowing in your own filth.” 14 May 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
    91- none of your buisiness (COLA): “I am sorry, but I am going to have to
    send you to the bin. You’re perpetrating the Snit circus by responding to
    all of his assinine posts. He is only here for one reason, to disrupt
    this group, & you are helping him, as well as flatfish.” 04 Jan 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a9b40ce46612fdc4
    92- Not Important: “I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
    children in the back seat of the family car saying:
    Mom, ‘snits’ touching me … and you responding much as you do now …
    I’m not touching you, you’re touching me! The problem is that by now you
    should’ve grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
    others. But, of course, you’ve haven’t learned how to interact with
    others in a more ‘constructive’ and mutually beneficial manner even
    now.” 03 Jul 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
    93- notlisted (COLA): “I actually like Apple. But I see you as an
    asshole who spends an embarassing percentage of your life posting
    derogatory comments about a computer operating system you obviously
    detest, and insulting those who defend it in a newsgroup dedicated its
    advocacy. That’s almost the definition of being an asshole, and you have
    half a dozen buddies who do the same thing. You excuse what you do by
    pretending that you’re merely pointing out problems in the hope that the
    system will be improved, but that’s an obvious lie whether it’s you
    saying it or one of your buds. You do it because you enjoy the feeling
    it gives you, whatever that is.” 07 Mar 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/90b57eaa796e8b14
    94- OldCSMAer: “What’s he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I killfiled
    him?” 27 Nov 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
    95- OldSage: “What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and desire
    to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things.” 2 Oct
    2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
    96- Oxford: “If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending Author,
    example Snit… Go to the Filters Menu, Choose ‘Kill this Author’ Click
    ‘OK’ Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice. Then to see
    your work… Choose the Filter Menu again, Then ‘Refilter Articles’…
    Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing. Enjoy!!!!!” 14
    Aug 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
    97- Owl (COLA): “You have interacted with me often enough to know that I
    never initiate personal attacks. I generally respond in kind. It is you
    who usually fall off the civility wagon first, with your ironically
    condescending canned responses that do nothing for your argument and
    generally shine a spotlight on the desperation that you are so fearful of
    projecting.” 5 Mar 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8debf93e05da4d26
    Owl (COLA): “You are a complete idiot and extremely dishonest. Consider
    yourself permanently plonked.” 29 Mar 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba7797c5108b3c10
    98- Patrick Nihill: “I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
    something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit, for
    whom the work ‘troll’ seems so painfully inadequate?” 13 Aug 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
    99- Pawel Wojciak: “Jesus Christ, snit… ” 27 Jun 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/93afdfea4d4f491a
    100- PC Guy: “Forget it Snit, you’re a waste of time. For someone who
    talks about everyone else not being “honest and honorable” you appear to
    be the least honest and honorable of anyone here.” 22 Apr 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
    101- Peter: “I’ve never felt the need to use the filters in Newswatcher
    but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten seconds
    later and he’s gone! Amazing.” 30 Dec 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
    102- Peter Bjorn Perlso: “Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
    argument with sandman into the private room.” 13 Dec 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
    103- Peter Hayes: “True, but that removes Snit completely, and someti…
    err….. occasiona…. errrrr….. once in a blue moon he has something
    useful to say.” 20 Mar 2007
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a31a47e26c5f5b7
    104- Peter Jensen (cola): “Where has he ever said that they were not
    different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has told
    me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence.” 30 Jun 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cfd5de2006d42fdc
    105- Peter Kohlmann (cola): “Snot Glasser is invading this group with his
    inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about that dishonest
    retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser sock” 30 Jan 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
    106- PeterBP: “Oh will you stfu”. 30 Mar 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3e88e9a86cb5483e
    107- Phil Earnhardt: “You’re only interested in trying to get superficial
    snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions.” 1 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
    108- Rapskat (cola): “For instance, your sig you reference a long
    standing war you have going with some person from csma. It’s like you
    single out persons to target your attentions upon and then continuously
    berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their acrimonious
    responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad infinitum. Above
    all things, your affinity for Macs and your overbearing pompous nature
    aside, this is what convinces me that your primary purpose for
    frequenting this and other groups is to troll.” 07 Sep 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
    109- RichardK: “Just killfile him already.” 20 Jun 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c9e7ded2e95a582
    110- Rick (cola): “Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash
    people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
    situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
    on.” 06 Sep 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
    111- Rick G.: “Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a troll.
    I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a troll, he
    is … somewhat clumsy.” 22 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
    112- Robert F.: “Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don’t care if you quote
    Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the shell of
    a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk of looking
    ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that’s your goal,
    you’re on the right track, and more power to you.” 11 Jan 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
    113- RonB (COLA): “Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who’s thing is
    twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man. That’s
    enough to killfile him.” 1 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
    RonB: (COLA): “Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no point,
    he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron’s
    ‘you’re a liar’ mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays.” 27
    May 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
    RonB (COLA): “Original subject line now killfiled. You can only talk
    about the freaking clipboard for so many million freaking messages. As I
    said, Snit has no common-sense, STOP mechanism. He’s a mechanically
    obsessive super crank and will go on forever. I’m not kidding about this,
    he will *NEVER* *ever* stop.” 6 Mar 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0df1e0164a8b586e
    114- Rotten Apple: “You make trolls like me look like choir boys.” 14 Sep
    2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
    115- Roy Culley (cola): “You appear to be in the latter category.
    Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to generate
    a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and how it can
    help you and your supposed users why aren’t you requesting help from a
    more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As the old saying
    goes, those who can do, those who can’t teach. Your posts seem to confirm
    that saying IMHO.” 12 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
    116- S’mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): “Liar…forger and worthless. You
    must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you.”
    29 Dec 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
    117- Sandman: “He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY- of
    csma. I’ve never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news group
    before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against him in
    just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the funny part
    with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN’T consider himself be a
    troll – damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they are
    wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour.” 18 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
    118- sav: “You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly, even
    the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense than
    this. You been doing drugs or something?” 25 May 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
    119- Sean Burke: If you’re dumb enough to respond to snit, you’re
    probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
    remove smut from your harddrive.” 21 Jan 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
    120- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
    Snit: “Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me…”
    Sermo Malifer: “Because you’re a narcissistic troll who posts trash just
    to get people talking about you.” 21 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
    121- spike1: “As for the original post, there’s plenty of reason thought
    and criteria. The reason is snit’s here. The thought is probably to show
    everyone here just how bad a troll snit is.” 03 Dec 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c797d640e3b9fc12
    122- ShutterBugz: “so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing anger,
    i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he thinks
    he’s making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he’s pretty
    smart. indeed, he tells us, he’s done the personality tests and the iq
    tests and he’s okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he’s soooooooo well adjusted.”
    3 Mar 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
    123- Steel (COLA): “You may not like the game, but nevertheless, it’s
    just a game. You play a game yourself don’t kid yourself.” 14 Oct 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350
    124- Steve Carroll: “Snit isn’t much more than a one trick pony and not
    telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
    trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you’ve gone a
    long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
    errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet.” 28 Feb 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
    125- Steve Mackay: “Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of elephant
    dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the “Snit Circus”,
    but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
    elephant dung.” 18 Aug 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
    126- Steven de Mena: “Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
    for your rediculous argument regarding this.” 26 Sep 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
    127- Steve Travis: “Oh oh… Now look what we’ve done. Snit has lost
    all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like ‘asses’
    when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit have
    fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to feel
    embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more
    happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags).” 27 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
    128- Stuart Krivis: “You might as well just give up and plonk him then. A
    snit is a snit is a snit and always will be.” 15 Aug 2006 (post not
    available except in reply)
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
    129- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): “In other words, in another attempt to troll,
    you made yourself look like a fool. Again”. 28 Aug 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
    130- thanatoid: “Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
    create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
    fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
    where I live (well, I /think/…) Or is Snit really just someone whose HD
    you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot of,
    for lack of a better word, unpleasantness – just from looking at today’s
    headers.” 02 Jul 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
    131- The Lost Packet (COLA): “well, he’s found a seat in my killbin, I
    can’t be doing with him.” 27 Jan 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
    132- TheLetterK: “That is merely your perception, Shit. You’re the one
    lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to “I’m
    right, nya nya nya.” No matter how many examples someone points at to
    demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they provide
    no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse still, you
    fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to portray the
    argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that inhabit CSMA,
    Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you are.” 23 Sep 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
    133- Thufir: “You can “prove” that no one has disproved your “proof”?
    Again, your assertion that no one has done so is even *less* convincing
    than your claim that some PDF “proves” whatever point you’re trying to
    make precisely because I’m familiar with your MO. That is, you’re a dumb-
    ass who would claim that that something is proved when it’s not, and who
    would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I don’t know
    what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that you’re full of
    shit.” 21 Aug 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
    134-Tim Adams: “I’d kill file you but then I’d miss the fun. you see, you
    never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why just the
    other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars (in this
    NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar.” 13 Nov 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
    135- Tim Crowley: “I don’t know – I think you might have more compassion.
    Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor sick fool can
    get attention. My fucking God, he’s taken to hanging out with and
    supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that no-one likes
    him and those that pretend they do are just using him or don’t know him -
    but come on- it’s not his fault. He’s sick. Have some compassion, eh? All
    these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit – they are
    all so alike. I pity each and every one of them” 19 Apr 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
    136- Tim Smith: “No, he didn’t, and there is no reasonable way you could
    actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here.” 14 Apr
    2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
    137- Timberwoof: “Plonk, Snit.” 23 Apr 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c
    138- tom_elam: “Killfile Steve C. and Snit” 07 Jul 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995
    139- TomB (COLA): “No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to make
    me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to ‘be
    right’? If so, you’re pathetic. And I don’t say this because I like to
    say it.” 07 Feb 2010
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
    140- Tom Bates: “Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one of
    your Circus acts?” 20 Feb 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
    141- Tommy: “In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
    polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive “writings”. You
    give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have succeeded!
    That also goes for all that bullshit on your website” 11 Jun 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
    142- Tony(UK) (COLA): “Your email address in your headers just about sums
    the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
    involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in doubt,
    deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging me.”
    10 Dec 2009
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
    143- TravelinMan: “I still can’t figure out what’s wrong with Snit. Most
    people have him kill-filed and the few who don’t mostly restrict their
    responses to ‘why don’t you go away, no one wants you here’. Just what
    would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be some
    kind of severe mental illness.” 17 Mar 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
    144- Wally: “Because by your own admission “honor and honesty” are
    nothing more than a “game” to you, as such not only do you wish to define
    the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend the rules
    when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this reason I doubt
    anyone would be foolish enough to play your game.” 16 May 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
    145- WhoMe: “F michael IS a teacher, it’s no wonder he’s home more than
    he’s anywhere near a classroom”.
    146- William Poaster: “Good grief. If anyone’s having a mental breakdown
    it’s the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked up
    mess he is.” 29 Aug 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
    147- William R. Walsh: “Now, if you’ll excuse me, and accept my sincere
    apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You’re the first person
    to be plonked from my new computer! :-) ” 10 Feb 2005
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
    148- Woofbert: “*Plonk*” 14 Jun 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/436e6b5333d747e0
    149- zara: “Look – I’m not into combing through thousands of posts, to
    prove what was said or not said – I leave stuff like that to people
    without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping Snit
    to do a search – you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
    little life.” 25 Oct 2006
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
    150- Zaren Ankleweed: “And with that, Snit goes in the global killfile.
    No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye”. 11 Sep 2004
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
    151- Znu: “The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of late. When I
    set up my filters to kill all of Snit’s posts, plus direct replies to
    them (which is how I’m keeping things from now on), nearly 40% of the
    most recent 1000 articles in CSMA go out the window. …. In all,
    something like 50% of the traffic in this group is now related to Snit
    insanity. …. I killfile Edwin because I don’t have a patience to have
    discussions with someone who deliberately tries to waste my time. But
    watching *other people* tie him knots can be entertaining. The Snit-
    related posts are not like this. They are endless repetitions of the
    exact same material and/or arguments dating back *years* about who said
    what.” 20 Apr 2008
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6
    152- amicus_curious (COLA): “Where on earth do you get the idea that I am
    arguing with you, little man? Is your name “Hadron”? Shoo! Go back to
    your mail order business!” 29 May 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/00ee203fe6183b1b
    153- nessuno (COLA):
    Chris Ahlstrom: “Have you ever noticed that threads involving Snit, [...]
    are a basically a waste of time?
    nessuno: “Yep. I don’t read them.” 29 May 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2f997598f0e25f9d
    154- Marti Van Lin (COLA): “I paid enough attention to Snit IMHO. I
    killfiled him the very first month I started lurking COLA. I find his
    nitpicking and immature behavior extremely annoying. I am not going to
    torture myself reading his bullshit. Snit is also a proven liar. Remember
    his retarded exif debacle.” 08 Jul 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d12622df3671359b
    155- White Spirit (COLA): “It would interest me a lot more if both the
    participants were honest and intelligent. Snit is lacking at least one
    of those characteristics.” 25 Jul 2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba8beed91bca6bfa

    Please don’t feed the trolls.

    Michael Reply:

    What the? With a quick glance none of that seems to deal with the topic and none of it seems to be from me.

    You are just hoping to flood the page with irrelevancies to hide the facts I am pointing out. Got it.

    There you have it: Roy Schestowitz just freaked out. Lost it. He cannot defend his claims – not even slightly… and it just pushed him over the edge.

  4. walterbyrd said,

    October 20, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Gravatar

    Just to mention it:

    Samsung ships 20M smartphones, besting Apple’s 17.1M iPhones

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/20/samsung_ships_20m_smartphones_besting_apples_17_1m_iphones.html

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Yes, Apple has already come up with excuses and diversion (Cook’s statements).

    Michael Reply:

    Cool. As long as Samsung is selling products which are not a copy of Apple’s (or someone else’s) I am happy for them.

    With the iPhone 4S doing so well it will be interesting to see how they each do. Also would be curious which phones – ones in the same class as Apple’s or low end ones? Either way, though, assuming these are non-copycat phones then kudos to Samsung.

    Unlike Roy and, apparently, you I have no dog in this race. I am happy there is competition between Apple and Samsung and others – it pushes them all to be better. This is what *should* happen in a market. There will be winners and losers… I predict Apple will be one of the winners – as defined by having very happy customers and by making Apple a lot of money. But maybe not. So be it.

    I also predict several hand set makers will outsell Apple over the next few years – Apple generally does not join the race to the bottom. Then again, Apple was talking about looking at sales of all cell phones, so maybe they will surprise me this time. They have in the past and with their change in management they likely will change their focus some. This is a good thing – you do not want to try to be someone you are not.

  5. walterbyrd said,

    October 21, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Gravatar

    Apparently Jobs desperately wanted to destroy Android.

    > “I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5izacIaKf2hT_w5hDjmST8YtIM4Hw

    Seems a little hypocritical. Considering Jobs was such a notorious IP thief himself.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Thanks for this find. I shall write about it tomorrow.

    Michael Reply:

    Excellent. Some suggestions for your article:

    Jobs:
    —–
    Jobs calls the crop of executives brought in to run Apple after his ouster in 1985 “corrupt people” with “corrupt values” who cared only about making money. Jobs himself is described as caring far more about product than profit.

    He told Isaacson they cared only about making money “for themselves mainly, and also for Apple — rather than making great products.”
    —–
    How does that affect your FUD about his focus on money?

    Jobs:
    —–
    The book says that, while some Apple board members were happy that Hewlett-Packard gave up trying to compete with Apple’s iPad, Jobs did not think it was cause for celebration.

    “Hewlett and Packard built a great company, and they thought they had left it in good hands,” Jobs told Isaacson. “But now it’s being dismembered and destroyed.”
    —–
    How does that affect your FUD on Jobs not liking competition?

    Jobs:
    —–
    He called Jonathan Ive, Apple’s design chief, his “spiritual partner” at Apple. He told Isaacson that Ive had “more operation power” at Apple than anyone besides Jobs himself — that there’s no one at the company who can tell Ive what to do. That, says Jobs, is “the way I set it up.”
    —–
    How does that affect your FUD on him wanting total control?

  6. Michael said,

    October 21, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Gravatar

    With the Jobs quote – I see that as being somewhat juvenile of him. With that said, he spent massive amounts of time and energy on designing something and I can see him getting angry at people taking that.

    And good that you recognize that this is IP theft… though then you claim Jobs was a thief as well. With what? What did he take?

    Let me guess: absurd accusations about Xerox are about to be dug up.

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