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11.05.11

Success Against Mono

Posted in Mono, Site News at 9:44 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Summary: Big news about Mono now reaffirmed

Schestowitz, 2011LAST night I found out that Mono would be removed from Ubuntu (that’s me last night at around that same time). Sebastian found this out live and a Canonical employee confirmed this to me later. Now there are articles about it.

This marks a victory of sorts to a push we’ve put a lot of effort into, along with Boycott Novell. A lot of personal compromise was involved as I was on the receiving end of persistent bullying and smears. Thanks to all those who help share information about the problems with Mono. GNU/Linux is a lot safer (and better) now.

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11 Comments

  1. Michael said,

    November 5, 2011 at 11:33 am

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    Ah, so removing choice is now a good thing. Got it!

    powered_by_tux Reply:

    I am gonna use the very same phrase that is used by Mono proponents: “You can still install it after installation. It is just removed by default but it is still in Ubuntu repositories.” The article does not point this out correctly.

    I could also ask this: why does ditchting Mono equal removing choice but not including GIMP does not? I don’t get it!

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    It’s not an argument about “choice”, it’s a troll’s argument.

    Michael Reply:

    Hey, I actually support the idea of getting distros more focused. On that grounds it is a good thing. As I showed you, Roy, PCLOS – for example – has become far more focused and the improvements in their UI are amazing. Not as good as you thought they were, but better than I would have guessed before I looked at it for you.

    In COLA, of course, when I note the importance of such focus and the making of well designed and fairly consistent distros, I am told I am “anti-choice”. I was just playing on that false “advocate” FUD.

    I say good for Ubuntu on this. I have no problem with their decision here at all.

  2. Needs Sunlight said,

    November 5, 2011 at 11:58 am

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    This is a good move in making Ubuntu both safer and much, much better. It’s a step towards being able to leave the broken, Microsoft way of doing things. Debian should be next to say good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Pressure to keep Mono inside Debian seems to have come from two people, one of whom was also a primary pusher for Mono in Ubuntu.

    Fedora does no come with Mono. Ubuntu derivatives will most likely drop Mono too, so the news from Canonical impacts potentially hundreds of distros. Ubuntu is probably the most derived-from distro.

    Ryan spent last night confronting some pro-Mono people including those who do this for a living (because they had attacked the messenger). They lose the argument on purely technical grounds now. There is no Novell incubation, either.

    mcinsand Reply:

    This is a very timely article, since I was SHOCKED to watch a fresh Debian install scroll by, and saw mono packages in the list. In Debian? Really? I thought they were smarter than to swallow an extend/extinguish poison pill. There are plenty of packages/frameworks out there that do not have embedded patent liabilities.

    Needs Sunlight Reply:

    It’s not just the patents that are the problem with Mono. The framework itself is crap and so the programs built on it are going to be substandard. Then you have to take into account that the programs are also written by the kind of people that will look past both kinds of problems.

    There are already better frameworks established. There is no need for the solution in search of a problem that is Mono/.NET.

    Michael Reply:

    I remember when Beagle came out and so many Linux “advocates” were saying it was as good or better than OS X’s Spotlight.

    My, how times have changed. :)

  3. Michael said,

    November 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm

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    In terms of usability, what to leave out is just as important as what to put in. More and more, distros are focusing on *fewer* technologies. This is a good thing and does nothing to eliminate choices.

  4. twitter said,

    November 6, 2011 at 2:04 am

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    Congratulations to both Techrights and to Ubuntu.

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