| PetoKraus | hehe | Sep 14 00:24 |
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| PetoKraus | nin runs linux | Sep 14 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-100... | Sep 14 07:04 |
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| schestowitz | No signs of Mono/c# in the latest digest: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-07/ | Sep 14 07:44 |
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| Eruaran | Excellent. :) | Sep 14 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/09/13/th... | Sep 14 08:36 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: have you noticed that the BBC is carrying a Ceefax story of a Cisco "report" about "broadband". | Sep 14 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm | Sep 14 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like a special feature even: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7610692.stm | Sep 14 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | "However, a report from net firm Cisco suggests that the UK's net infrastructure is already falling short of what users want to do with it. Cisco drew up a net quality index which looked at whether the infrastructure was reliable enough to become the bedrock for existing or future web-based services and applications. " | Sep 14 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | ""Notably the UK, Spain and Italy didn't cut that threshold, even for today's applications," said Fernando Gil de Bernabe, a spokesman for Cisco. " | Sep 14 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs... | Sep 14 10:19 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: why should the BBC be hosting such transparent efforts to sell Cisco kit, one wonders? | Sep 14 10:25 |
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| kentma1 | And, since when did Cisco have a /clue/ about what a network-based application was? They do routers. That's about it. | Sep 14 10:26 |
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| trmanco | what | Sep 14 10:30 |
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| trmanco | openoffice.org needs MonoCrap libs? | Sep 14 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | That's like asking why they advertise Vista at taxpayers' expense. http://groups.google.com/group... | Sep 14 10:31 |
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| kentma1 | exactly - same problem. The BBC should be far more clear about what they're doing when posting propaganda from companies like this. | Sep 14 10:32 |
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| kentma1 | publishing. | Sep 14 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is that WIndows is perceived as supremo, but for the BBC to blindly accept notions is silly. | Sep 14 10:33 |
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| kentma1 | agreed | Sep 14 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | To us an analogy, just because many army generals say that the war is Iraq is essential does not mean that the media should ignore 'voices on the ground; | Sep 14 10:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's hype is said to be very deceiving (I think the INQ reported on this). You're being bombarded by several MS agencies simultaneously and they have you believe that if you don't cover some Microsoft micro-story, then you pass on the Second Coming. | Sep 14 10:34 |
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| kentma1 | I'm sure that they must be spending a fortune on this. | Sep 14 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's RoI really. They are a marketing company first and foremost. Rex says they spend 4 billion a year on marketing. | Sep 14 10:36 |
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| kentma1 | I agree with Rex. I've always felt that MS were, first and foremost, the world's best marketing company. They've lost that now to Google, of course, which means that their reign of errors is over. | Sep 14 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure they lost. | Sep 14 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's amazing that they were #1 brand in the UK _DESPITE_ all that crime. That, my friend, is top-notch marketing. Even OJ could buy that. | Sep 14 10:49 |
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| _Doug | Furse should not resign, she should be sacked | Sep 14 13:03 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/13/fu... | Sep 14 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. | Sep 14 13:07 |
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| _Doug | major breach in the UAE's ATM network | Sep 14 13:07 |
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| _Doug | http://www.zawya.com/Story... | Sep 14 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Who the hell needs Linux," eg? | Sep 14 13:07 |
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| _Doug | This is so 1982 .. :) | Sep 14 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Who the hell needs Linux," eh? | Sep 14 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: Citibank has similar issues. Windows ATMs. | Sep 14 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/03/... | Sep 14 13:09 |
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| _Doug | http://dyn.politico.com/printstory... | Sep 14 13:09 |
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| _Doug | Embedded devices, or at least put all the security stuff on a card .. | Sep 14 13:11 |
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| _Doug | http://www.net-security.org/secwo... | Sep 14 13:12 |
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| _Doug | "The card is a full-blown computer with its own processor, memory and hardened operating system" | Sep 14 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | Does Yaggie run Vista? | Sep 14 13:12 |
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| _Doug | dunno .. | Sep 14 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Internally, I mean. :-) Maybe without Aero Glass? | Sep 14 13:16 |
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| _Doug | "If you’re not running Windows XP, you won’t be able to use the USB driver" | Sep 14 13:16 |
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| _Doug | http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-worl... | Sep 14 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | There was some noise about GPL violation at the time. They must have resolved this by now.. hopefully. | Sep 14 13:17 |
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| _Doug | Such cards should come as standard .. internally in a slot .. | Sep 14 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I was joking. Either way, distros seem to come with 'Yoggie' as a 'feature'. | Sep 14 13:18 |
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| _Doug | A PCI card .. | Sep 14 13:18 |
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| _Doug | "Discover the only Linux platform with bi-directional virtualization built in" | Sep 14 13:22 |
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| _Doug | Novell newsletter .. :) | Sep 14 13:22 |
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| _Doug | http://www.novell.com/global/datacentert... | Sep 14 13:23 |
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| _Doug | Novell€® Making IT Work As One (tm) | Sep 14 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft and Novell. | Sep 14 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Can't read the thing. | Sep 14 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's all binary | Sep 14 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | Got the newsletter? | Sep 14 13:25 |
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| Tallken | UbuntuForums down! hack attack!!! (KIDDING, no one knows yet :) ) | Sep 14 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Service Temporarily Unavailable" | Sep 14 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. " | Sep 14 13:26 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: ya, but RedHat was also performing upgrades to their system when in fact they had been hacked | Sep 14 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:... | Sep 14 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | How long has it been down for? | Sep 14 13:28 |
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| Tallken | at least for 3 hours, that I've checked | Sep 14 13:28 |
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| Tallken | some people say | Sep 14 13:28 |
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| Tallken | [14:22] at least 6 hours | Sep 14 13:28 |
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| Tallken | ok stupid question is there a way on freenode to hide in which channels we are? | Sep 14 13:29 |
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| _Doug | there's an invisible option | Sep 14 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: maybe they took down Ubuntu Forums because neighbourlee raised a good question there about Mono. ;-) | Sep 14 13:32 |
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| Tallken | ROFL | Sep 14 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | They realise that Ubuntu got 'hacked'... by Novell/Microsoft. | Sep 14 13:33 |
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| Tallken | _Doug: but on my country's network invisible only prevents people to see who is in a channel without joining the channel, will check if here it is different | Sep 14 13:33 |
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| *schestowitz away for a while. | Sep 14 13:35 |
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| Tallken | damn | Sep 14 13:36 |
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| Tallken | well | Sep 14 13:36 |
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| Tallken | *well | Sep 14 13:36 |
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| _Doug | Are you Compliant - Can you Prove it? | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | http://i33.tinypic.com/n5jyad.jpg | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | Simplifying Compliance | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | Today many organizations rely on piecemeal, labor-intensive solutions in an attempt to handle regulatory compliance mandates and to protect against security threats. Earlier this month, Novell€® announced its Compliance Management Platform 1.0, which integrates identity and security management solutions for a holistic, real-time view of enterprise-wide activities. Based on proven technologies, this platform automates policy processes, decreases admi | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | http://www.novell.com/products/compliancema... | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | translation: buy our stuff, or my pal SteveO will beat you up !! | Sep 14 13:38 |
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| _Doug | Sentinel helps you demonstrate your compliance with internal policies and industry and government regulations such as SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, PCI-DSS, FISMA and others | Sep 14 13:40 |
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| _Doug | Did SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, PCI-DSS, FISMA compliance prevent those ATM hacks in the UAE ? | Sep 14 13:40 |
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| _Doug | "Eight days before it sued Red Hat and Novell, Acacia hired Brad Brunell, Former Microsoft General Manager, Intellectual Property Licensing, to be its senior VP. Coincidence? I think not." | Sep 14 13:55 |
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| _Doug | http://blogs.computerworld.com/novell_an... | Sep 14 13:55 |
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| _Doug | London Stock Exchange suffers .NET Crash | Sep 14 13:55 |
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| _Doug | http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_ex... | Sep 14 13:55 |
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| _Doug | ASUS Extreme N7800 GTX TOP (GeForce 7800 GTX) | Sep 14 14:12 |
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| _Doug | http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/vie... | Sep 14 14:12 |
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| PetoKraus | ooh | Sep 14 14:16 |
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| PetoKraus | did you hear about FFx eula? | Sep 14 14:16 |
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| _Doug | ? | Sep 14 14:21 |
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| PetoKraus | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/... | Sep 14 14:22 |
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| MinceR | i have | Sep 14 14:29 |
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| MinceR | the mozilla foundation is going too far | Sep 14 14:29 |
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| MinceR | also, i wonder why the ubuntu guys didn't choose iceweasel as the alternative | Sep 14 14:29 |
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| _Doug | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/fi... | Sep 14 14:31 |
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| _Doug | two cheeers for 'oopen source' .. | Sep 14 14:41 |
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| _Doug | http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnuzilla/ | Sep 14 14:41 |
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| _Doug | License: GNU General Public License v2 or later (+ dual licensing) | Sep 14 14:41 |
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| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 14:41 |
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| daskreech | Hi everyone | Sep 14 15:16 |
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| MinceR | oh hai | Sep 14 15:17 |
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| daskreech | I was just on the site and noticed there was a mention of Microsoft using the EULA to block hypervisors | Sep 14 15:17 |
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| daskreech | 1) what was the wording of that and 2) how is that possible? | Sep 14 15:17 |
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| MinceR | i wonder how long till someone attacks that in court | Sep 14 15:18 |
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| daskreech | I can demand that you not use another product >type< if you use my product of a fully different variety? | Sep 14 15:18 |
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| daskreech | MinceR: The article says it was attacked and brought down in Court and Microsoft made it sound like it rethought it and took it out from it's own good heart | Sep 14 15:18 |
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| daskreech | I still would like to know when that happened and what the wording was | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| MinceR | oh. | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| MinceR | i don't know what it was though | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| MinceR | a search on slashdot might help though :) | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| daskreech | PhoenixBios was the initiator of the lawsuit | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| Balzac | It's amazing how the government of Australia chooses to subsidize Microsoft | Sep 14 15:26 |
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| Balzac | Actually, this possibility already occurred to me | Sep 14 15:27 |
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| Balzac | Microsoft and proprietary software in general are tools of oppression | Sep 14 15:28 |
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| daskreech | I'm trying to find a particualr instance and having problems | Sep 14 15:28 |
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| Balzac | brb | Sep 14 15:28 |
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| daskreech | Ah found it | Sep 14 15:36 |
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| daskreech | Microsoft would not allow cheaper versions of Windows to run in any virtual environment | Sep 14 15:36 |
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| daskreech | That doesn't make much sense | Sep 14 15:36 |
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| MinceR | Balzac: hungary does it too | Sep 14 15:38 |
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| daskreech | Does kowtow/ | Sep 14 15:55 |
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| Balzac | Microsoft is actually getting money from these countries tax-payers it seems. | Sep 14 16:07 |
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| balzac_ | hello again | Sep 14 16:09 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Sep 14 16:09 |
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| Eruaran | balzac: Microsoft is getting money from Australian taxpayers | Sep 14 16:10 |
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| Eruaran | through the education system | Sep 14 16:10 |
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| balzac | This is amazing and terrible but I figured it was possible. | Sep 14 16:11 |
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| Eruaran | Acer Aspire One 'netbooks' with Windows XP are subsidised, making them cheaper than lower specced GNU/Linux versions. | Sep 14 16:11 |
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| balzac | The reason I figured this could happen is because Microsoft is a tool for totalitarian governments | Sep 14 16:12 |
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| balzac | I figured, even if Microsoft is no longer solvent, it may be subsidized by corrupt governments for use in media control | Sep 14 16:12 |
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| daskreech | doubtful | Sep 14 16:13 |
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| balzac | so Microsoft may be able to operate at a loss for a long time and still remain afloat, courtesy of corrupt governments subsidizing them for use as a propaganda mechanism | Sep 14 16:13 |
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| Eruaran | The Victorian state government is effectively subsidising a single vendor at the expense of competition. Which is why we are complaining to the ACCC. This sort of thing should be prosecuted. | Sep 14 16:13 |
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| Eruaran | nah | Sep 14 16:13 |
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| Eruaran | The idea that Microsoft could go for years without making a profit purely on their warchest is a myth. | Sep 14 16:13 |
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| balzac | not on their warchest | Sep 14 16:14 |
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| Eruaran | Shareholders would bail and the company would be worthless. | Sep 14 16:14 |
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| balzac | On subsidies from corrupt governments, especially the US | Sep 14 16:14 |
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| Eruaran | The only way they can maintain their current market position is by unethical means. | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| balzac | Consider how much money the US government has given to Blackwater to do the job the Military is already prepared to do... | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| Eruaran | And it is at Victorian taxpayers expense that Windows XP is "cheaper" than the free and Free GNU/Linux. | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| MinceR | according to Bill Parish, microsoft isn't really making a profit now | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| MinceR | they're lying to their investors | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| balzac | MinceR: that wouldn't surprise me at all | Sep 14 16:15 |
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| balzac | I'd be surprised if they were making any profit | Sep 14 16:16 |
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| MinceR | here's one of his articles: http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html | Sep 14 16:16 |
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| balzac | Our corrupt government loves to throw money to those who reinforce their power over us. | Sep 14 16:16 |
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| balzac | Microsoft is a part of the corporate-owned media - the "M" in MSNBC - the GE-owned, pro-war network. | Sep 14 16:17 |
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| balzac | Our media is 100% corrupt and Microsoft is a very important part of it. | Sep 14 16:17 |
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| daskreech | MinceR: That's nearly 10 years old | Sep 14 16:17 |
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| Eruaran | They have to be making a profit | Sep 14 16:17 |
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| MinceR | daskreech: i know | Sep 14 16:18 |
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| Eruaran | You can't make it impossible to buy a notebook without Vista on it without making a profit. | Sep 14 16:18 |
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| MinceR | daskreech: but things don't look like they've improved for them | Sep 14 16:18 |
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| balzac | Microsoft's budget might seem really big, but compare that with the money they're willing to burn every day in Iraq and then consider the importance of Microsoft in keeping people ignorant. | Sep 14 16:18 |
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| daskreech | balzac: That's united states :) | Sep 14 16:19 |
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| daskreech | slight difference | Sep 14 16:19 |
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| daskreech | hard to see | Sep 14 16:19 |
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| daskreech | but slight | Sep 14 16:19 |
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| balzac | I think M$ might have even had no-bid Iraq contracts given to them. | Sep 14 16:21 |
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| balzac | daskreech: can you give some context to what you mean by "slight difference"? | Sep 14 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/ is back online | Sep 14 16:22 |
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| balzac | Australia has a right-wing government and they've been one of the staunchest Bush-allies in Iraq | Sep 14 16:22 |
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| balzac | it doesn't surprise me at all that Microsoft would get such a good deal there. | Sep 14 16:23 |
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| balzac | Also, it doesn't surprise me when China embraces Microsoft because of China's corrupt government. | Sep 14 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: I wrote about this lawsuit | Sep 14 16:24 |
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| Eruaran | balzac: Australia voted out its right wing government | Sep 14 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: Microsoft was forced to back off and changed the EULA | Sep 14 16:25 |
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| balzac | Well, maybe the far-right has been replaced by the right... Is marijuana legal yet? | Sep 14 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/... | Sep 14 16:25 |
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| Eruaran | balzac: John Howared is not prime minister any more - late last year the rather more left wing Labor party won the federal election by a landslide. | Sep 14 16:25 |
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| Eruaran | Labor isn't right wing | Sep 14 16:26 |
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| balzac | Eruaran: that's good news | Sep 14 16:26 |
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| balzac | Hopefully Obama will win here | Sep 14 16:26 |
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| balzac | How about the commercials with Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld? | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: someone from here will file a complaint with he AAAC (???) in Australia | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| balzac | I think those ads are a sign of desperation | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| Eruaran | One Labor party member was asked about Iraq and the previous Howard government and how it just went along with everything the Bush administration said | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| MinceR | those ads are signs of seinfeld's flaws of character | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| Eruaran | When asked what Labor might say to Bush that was different to the Liberal government | Sep 14 16:27 |
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| Eruaran | The response was: "we would tell them the truth" | Sep 14 16:28 |
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| balzac | John Howard is a reich-wing goose-stepper. | Sep 14 16:29 |
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| balzac | I hope he gets senile dementia | Sep 14 16:29 |
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| Eruaran | Labors view is "what kind of an ally just goes along with everything its ally wants to do even when that ally is barking up the wrong tree" | Sep 14 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it's not just Parish. The Economist (which Gates loves) and Smithers, which is renowned. The whole of the US is in big debt AFAIK, so Microsoft is part of it. | Sep 14 16:29 |
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| balzac | Seinfeld and Gates look like assholes in that family's house | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| MinceR | link? | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| balzac | I ripped it to OGG Theora so I could watch it | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| MinceR | (i might show it to my favorite micro$oft cultist someday) | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| daskreech | schestowitz: http://www.infoworld.com/article/08... | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| balzac | I have pytube installed | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: (still catching up with what I'be missed) you might want to consider how much they 'lose' to 'piracy', without which they cease to have monopoly control. It's a long-term investment to them ("we'll collect some time in the next decade") and it sort of backfires. | Sep 14 16:30 |
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| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWPf1BWtkw | Sep 14 16:31 |
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| Eruaran | The Bush administration might not think so but for the US, a Labor government in Australia means you have a friend who is a good enough friend not to kiss you when what you really need is a slap in the face. | Sep 14 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: re: media in Australia, Howard censors it (also the Net). If you are interested, I'll fetch the links that I have for it. | Sep 14 16:31 |
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| Eruaran | Howard retired. | Sep 14 16:32 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: that's ok, I've seen it all before and it's no different from one country to the next | Sep 14 16:32 |
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| Eruaran | What is a greater concern is a new fibre network being given over to one monopoly provider that has shown itself to be hostile to FOSS. | Sep 14 16:33 |
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| Eruaran | (Telstra) | Sep 14 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: Microsoft does make a profit _BUT ONLY_ in a few divisions. Microsoft fan Joe Wilcox acknowledged this too. It's especially Office (Windows is just a 'warm up' that they give OEMs for cheap). That's why they fought against ODF and broke laws in the process. | Sep 14 16:33 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: what do you think about the possibility of Microsoft as a tool of oppression for totalitarian governments internationally? | Sep 14 16:33 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes | Sep 14 16:33 |
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| MinceR | i think it can only serve that purpose in the hand of governments in control if microsoft | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| Eruaran | I know their internet advertising loses massive amounts of money | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| MinceR | (and potentially other big companies) | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| daskreech | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ad-j2Dd_Vg | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| MinceR | (USA qualifies, of course) | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: the importance of Microsoft software is not just financially-tied and related. They have back doors and means of directing people to particular news sites (information imposition) | Sep 14 16:34 |
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| MinceR | s/if/of/ | Sep 14 16:35 |
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| MinceR | sure, other governments can buy backdoors but there's no guarantee that microsoft will continue to act in their interests. | Sep 14 16:35 |
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| balzac | I agree. I think Microsoft can be considered the primary internet contractor for the corrupt governments of the world. | Sep 14 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: China is one of the closest nations to Microsoft and Australia one one of the few countries to have welcomes DMCA and sw patents without a fight. | Sep 14 16:36 |
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| balzac | I want to see Microsoft defeated. | Sep 14 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: Microsoft changed the EULA because they faces charges, IIRC, but they tried to pretend they did this out of goodwill. | Sep 14 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I'll need to fetch a link for that. Hold on. | Sep 14 16:39 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: I was just working at a company and I over-heard a guy going on and on about something called "Citrix" | Sep 14 16:39 |
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| balzac | Apparently it's some Novell or Microsoft-related virtualization software | Sep 14 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: in 2007 I pulled this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Allchin : | Sep 14 16:39 |
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| balzac | I'm going to be consulting here in NYC, advising financial services companies to follow the NYSE and use Redhat. | Sep 14 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | "In relation to the issue of sharing technical API and protocol information used throughout Microsoft products, which the states were seeking, Allchin alleged that releasing this information would increase the security risk to consumers." | Sep 14 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | [Allchin:] "It is no exaggeration to say that the national security is also implicated by the efforts of hackers to break into computing networks. Computers, including many running Windows operating systems, are used throughout the United States Department of Defense and by the armed forces of the United States in Afghanistan and elsewhere." | Sep 14 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | "In May 2004, Judge J. Frederick Motz ordered Microsoft to investigate Burst.com's claim that, in 2000, Allchin ordered Microsoft employees to destroy email after 30 days and not to archive their email, suggesting that this deletion policy might be an effort to eliminate material that would later be damaging in court." | Sep 14 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | "This case was settled out of court in March 2005, with Microsoft agreeing to pay Burst.com $60 million for nonexclusive rights to Burst.com's media player software." | Sep 14 16:41 |
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| balzac | Allchin is a creep | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they cooperate not only with the US. They also work with the British police (secretly) | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| _Doug | "Microsoft can’t be competition for Citrix" | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| _Doug | http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/2004... | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | I am told by a Prof that Microsoft has become somewhat of a political 'movement' | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| MinceR | on second though, not even the usian government can win by collaborating with microsoft | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| MinceR | s/gh/ght/ | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: see this about Citrix: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/13/... | Sep 14 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | The guys is suggesting that Microsoft will buy them tomorrow | Sep 14 16:43 |
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| balzac | I think I let my hair down too soon at this last company I worked for - a financial services company in manhattan | Sep 14 16:43 |
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| balzac | I was only there as a developer under contract, not as a consultant | Sep 14 16:44 |
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| balzac | But these companies need to know that Novell and Microsoft-aligned technologies will hurt their companies | Sep 14 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: miliatires have begun moving to GNU/Linux, but they don't make noise about it. The NSA is meanwhile working with SUSE and Apple... probably to use its special 'skillz' ( http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/30/bina... ) | Sep 14 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | *militaries | Sep 14 16:45 |
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| _Doug | Lawyer FUDs Google Chrome .. | Sep 14 16:45 |
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| _Doug | http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/p... | Sep 14 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 14 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | /which/ lawyer? | Sep 14 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | Mr. "Don't use LInux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"? | Sep 14 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | You know, Ina Fried and the other Microsoft moles are the source of some of these 'attack points' | Sep 14 16:47 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: I think you're right on point to focus on Novell | Sep 14 16:47 |
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| balzac | The writing is on the wall with regards to the dilapidated windows code-base | Sep 14 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | I bet it's like O'Gara+Microsoft 'plant' against OSDL. They prepared a book handbook against Chome, cloud, privacy, etc. | Sep 14 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | *Chrome | Sep 14 16:47 |
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| balzac | also, it's pretty clear that the proprietary software giants have lost the battle in copyright law | Sep 14 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Novell is almost Microsoft. They'll triple collaborations. | Sep 14 16:48 |
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| balzac | now it's all about the patents. | Sep 14 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft would have bought them if it weren't for antitrust (Novell is shrinking) and Novell is more useful when some people still trust their patches (e.g. Mono, OOXML). | Sep 14 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: see http://www.google.com/search?sour... | Sep 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliv... | Sep 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | As IP lawyer Kay Lam-Beattie stated "An easy analogy is a car park with a sign that says you are bound to a given contract if you enter into that car park," she says. "Anybody can enter, but you have to accept the terms, and the signal of you accepting those terms is when you enter. You have to do something positive to accept the terms -- you have to act." | Sep 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | "It appears that the standard operating procedure for Microsoft will be to send open sourced partners into the GPLv3 car park." That's Novell. | Sep 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: it's about patents because it's the last thing Microsoft has (other than deby, assuming they already are in it). BTW, they can soon enter debt as stated publicly (to investors). | Sep 14 16:52 |
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| balzac | That has lead me to become much more discriminating even among software which is "open source" | Sep 14 16:52 |
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| balzac | I tell you what, after years of social activism, I've learned that I've got to have a business plan which is aligned with my activism or else I can't get much done. | Sep 14 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | The Gates fundation [sic] liquidates what Microsoft is not. So Gates gets to keep some real money; investors do not. Microsoft /claims/ is had $26 billion in the bank with speculation about another $20 billion in ongoing buybacks (leaving them on the fringe). They must move to services (see http://ia360621.us.archive.org/0/items/e-...) | Sep 14 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Also here: http://ia360602.us.archive.org/0/items/e-d... | Sep 14 16:54 |
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| balzac | So, I'm against Microsoft and Novell, therefore, I want to broker software deployments for Redhat and Ubuntu. | Sep 14 16:54 |
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| _Doug | remember when technical people reviewed a software app, and not a lawyer .. :) | Sep 14 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | The SEC has already found iffy business inside Microsoft, but no specifics were disclosed. | Sep 14 16:54 |
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| balzac | They're cooking the books for sure | Sep 14 16:55 |
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| balzac | I hope they'll have an epic collapse and then everyone will scramble to get their market share | Sep 14 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but many do. | Sep 14 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Asay suggests that even he does and Novell is _DOING THE SAME_. | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | The issue companies have is having enemies that actually want to get the SEC to do something. | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| balzac | I want to make money off of their collapse. My profit-motive is an important component of my free software activism. | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same in many ways when it comes to ECMA and ISO. Unless people complain, the funny business carries on. | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| _Doug | Rod Kovel: The Penguin Doesn't Fly, Avoid Linux | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| _Doug | http://legaltech.law.com/commen... | Sep 14 16:56 |
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| balzac | brb | Sep 14 16:57 |
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| _Doug | "a Linux DIY installation like a DIY auto repair, is extremely complex, convoluted, time consuming and often dicey, something a lawyer may not want to bet his or her practice on" | Sep 14 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: see http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08... | Sep 14 16:57 |
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| _Doug | When was the last time you installed Windows from scratch ? | Sep 14 16:57 |
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| _Doug | "Open Office does not have a built-in grammar check and does not have an envelope maker like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect, adding time and effort to document preparation" | Sep 14 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Built-in" | Sep 14 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | You can download it. | Sep 14 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Did he say it's not "people-ready"? | Sep 14 16:59 |
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| _Doug | define people-ready . :) | Sep 14 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... : Microsoft Pays Bloggers to Tout MS Slogan | Sep 14 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | "In an effort to inject Microsoft's latest slogan, 'People-ready business', into popular usage (and no doubt raise its Google page rank), Microsoft asked a passel of A List Bloggers to write blurbs on what this meaningless phrase means to them. Michael Arrington, Om Malik, Fred Wilson, Richard MacManus and a handful of others happily agreed to churn out some mush for Microsoft" | Sep 14 17:00 |
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| _Doug | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... | Sep 14 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: how does one request that the SEC investigates known fraud? | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, Novell admits cooking the books. | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | The SEC is as corrupt as the system it's surrounded by, AFAIK. | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| balzac | yeah | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | slip them a dlime and they leave you alone. | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this one: | Sep 14 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/31/ch... | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| PetoKraus | this rod kovel | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft has agreed to refrain from accounting violations to settle federal regulators’ allegations that it misrepresented its financial performance, the government announced Monday." | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| PetoKraus | who's that | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| balzac | but given these circumstances, that is exactly why your plan as an activist must have a business plan to profit from the change you intend to make. | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | What the f? No jail? No fine? "Microsoft has agreed to refrain" | Sep 14 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | IOW: Microsoft greased up the cogwheels and it ended up apologising for fraud. | Sep 14 17:03 |
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| balzac | that's not surprising. the law has been left by the way-side | Sep 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Apple mind you. | Sep 14 17:03 |
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| _Doug | the SEC: I don't know, but I do know you need a bunch of very expensive lawyers .. | Sep 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | 'Former Apple CFO, Fred Anderson, made accusations against Steve Jobs. According to Associated Press, Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray said “It gives the appearance that, ‘I had a partner in crime and it was Steve Jobs.’”' | Sep 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Alluded to in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/nove... | Sep 14 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: Novell paid investors that sued them $14 million to go away. | Sep 14 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | As [H]omer says, the notion is bail is ridiculous. It means that the rich can walk away with crime. Didn't Gates also pay bail to escape arrest after speeding. | Sep 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | ? Well, that was him in his younger days when he paid bail to escape 'small crimes' Not one weighing at hundreds of $billiobs | Sep 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | *ones *billions | Sep 14 17:05 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: all this corruption is why I feel the need to compete against them in business. You can't get results through complaining about the lack of enforcement of laws and regulations. | Sep 14 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Business or technical terms? I think many of them are cheating. The EC is needed here. | Sep 14 17:09 |
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| balzac | So, thanks to BoycottNovell.com, I have a lot of information resources to draw upon to undercut Novell deals and push Redhat | Sep 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Or Debian, I guess. | Sep 14 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | The FSF doesn't trust companies. | Sep 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe | Sep 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | that business-ready | Sep 14 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's true though. | Sep 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | or human-ready business | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| PetoKraus | or whatever | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find Brown saying iot. | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | it | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/ | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| balzac | well, I've been a contributing member of the FSF and I support them all the way. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to be a businessman myself. | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| PetoKraus | ^^ i guess microsoft violated copyright | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| PetoKraus | by using such a slogan | Sep 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's here: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr... | Sep 14 17:12 |
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| balzac | I don't have confidence in the ultimate victory of a social-activist organization if they don't have business allies to prove that their social principles can be effective in the private sector. | Sep 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Byfield is smug though: "All those interviewed see Microsoft as an antagonist, but they do so with none of the paranoia that disfigures some FOSS circles." | Sep 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's the same 'genius' that dismisses critics of Microsoft crime, accusing Groklaw and me. | Sep 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Conspiracy" | Sep 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: they just cannot rely on one company. It's not a case of being against them at all. | Sep 14 17:14 |
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| balzac | I know what you mean. The FSF does not and cannot rely on any specific company. I suppose that's what you meant. | Sep 14 17:15 |
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| balzac | The profit motive should not encumber the inner workings of an important institution like the FSF | Sep 14 17:16 |
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| balzac | But there must be companies which embody the principles upheld by the FSF | Sep 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: see what Peter Brown said | Sep 14 17:17 |
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| balzac | which link again? | Sep 14 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/ar... | Sep 14 17:19 |
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| balzac | i found it | Sep 14 17:19 |
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| balzac | thanks | Sep 14 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | ""The trouble with Microsoft, according to Brown, is that it is a company just like any other company, and "companies don't have any intrinsic values. The only mission statement you need to be aware of so far as a corporation is concerned is the one that says, 'We're here to make money.'" With this outlook, Brown does not trust Microsoft -- but neither does he particularly trust other companies, whether they are proprietary like Ap | Sep 14 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | ple or have business models that include open source, such as Google or Red Hat. | Sep 14 17:19 |
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| balzac | He's partially right | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| MinceR | ah, the usual "anything is acceptable if you have to make money" argument | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| balzac | A company can have values | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | It can also sell out. | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| MinceR | i guess ethics are history. | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| Eruaran | My boss was telling me how Red Hat winning awards in Japan has changed his view of FOSS | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Obligation to investors. Watch Yahoo! | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| balzac | right | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| balzac | lets see if Jerry Yang survives | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| MinceR | i'm really sick of this society. | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| Eruaran | He knows Japan, and he knows what the Japanese are like in terms of quality service | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat won many more awards. | Sep 14 17:23 |
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| Eruaran | If people in Japan think you're the best at what you do - you are top notch. | Sep 14 17:23 |
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| MinceR | if someone prospers by cheating, stealing, lying and killing, he is worshipped all over the world. | Sep 14 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | It championed that Japanese ladder for _years_ | Sep 14 17:23 |
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| balzac | MinceR: I suggest you make a business plan | Sep 14 17:24 |
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| balzac | If you really want to put the screws to the man, take his revenue for yourself. | Sep 14 17:26 |
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| balzac | I'm not without personal interest in the struggle for software freedom. I deserve some financial gain for my efforts. | Sep 14 17:27 |
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| MinceR | that's my plan too | Sep 14 17:28 |
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| balzac | Let's make money from undermining Microsoft. If you're not in it for personal interest, I'm skeptical of your chances for success. | Sep 14 17:28 |
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| balzac | Microsoft doesn't innovate, they're a dinosaur software company. Not only that, but they're acting like a bunch of assholes all the time. | Sep 14 17:29 |
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| Eruaran | Empires rise and empires fall. | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| balzac | Bullying Yahoo to sell, bullying small countries, the ISO | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: fighting for justice is hard to make money from. | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | I personally live off my savings at the moment. | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | A better way would be to mix activities, but again, there's more money in exploitation than in justice, IMHO | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: it's not only justice, it's also that free software can save businesses a lot of money | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Sep 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | If you could find a way to investigate what Microsoft does and also make ends meet, that would be 'innovative;. | Sep 14 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | PJ lives from donations and mugs... maybe some advice contracts. But it's hard to do. As for me, I need to figure something out soon. | Sep 14 17:31 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: I can't afford to do both. That's why I'm so grateful for all this information which is made available on BoycottNovell.com | Sep 14 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | SFLC is a good example. | Sep 14 17:32 |
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| balzac | It's great "opposition research" for someone like me who is looking to profit from competing against Novell and Microsoft | Sep 14 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | The FSF was not enabling some people there to make a living too easily, so they started a sidal business, but that's just taking contact. Welte got a job at VIA, but I bet this means he doesn't keep his eye on the GPL bal anymore... or far less. | Sep 14 17:33 |
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| macabe | At the company I work for, we had a nice plan written up for FOSS; MS came in and bought out the Enterprise Architects. | Sep 14 17:33 |
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| balzac | macabe: I know that happens all the time | Sep 14 17:34 |
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| balzac | Microsoft is dangerous and they can kick the legs out from even a very large company | Sep 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Enterprise Architects: is that also "enterprise grade", "people-ready", "innovative" and "good TCO"? | Sep 14 17:34 |
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| balzac | and they can buy the loyalty of your people | Sep 14 17:34 |
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| balzac | so I don't propose to eliminate their presence from a given company in one move | Sep 14 17:34 |
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| macabe | Believe me, these guys know nothing of IT. | Sep 14 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Reminds me of something. Hold on. | Sep 14 17:35 |
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| Eruaran | The King who does not have to pay his warriors to keep their loyalty or keep them in the fight, he has already won the war. | Sep 14 17:35 |
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| macabe | But they sure can use PowerPoint | Sep 14 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... (from the news) | Sep 14 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Woah Nelly! I said "SBS sucks" and raised the ire of SBS consultants worldwide. However, their responses are very telling and blow the lid on the real reason anyone would recommend SBS to a company (and it's nothing to do with technology.)" | Sep 14 17:36 |
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| macabe | schestowitz: That's exactly what they're trying to bring in lately. | Sep 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | And SharePoitnt maybe | Sep 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | I heard that banks have "a hardon for SharePoint" which is a Trojan of lock-in. | Sep 14 17:37 |
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| macabe | I keep telling them "It won't work in an 8500 user company." | Sep 14 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” –Bill Gates | Sep 14 17:38 |
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| macabe | Last week the new CIO fired the lead architect. He got caught lying. | Sep 14 17:39 |
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| macabe | He told him there wasn't any people qualified in Linux architecture to support it. | Sep 14 17:40 |
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| macabe | That was four days after I backdoored a memo to the CIO asking him "With the economy going down the tubes" why arent we looking at alternatives to MS? | Sep 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | So is it working out? | Sep 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Tell them that even Microsoft uses GNU/Linux. | Sep 14 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/18... | Sep 14 17:42 |
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| macabe | He hasn't replied yet. But he knows there is talent on-board. | Sep 14 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | More examples here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/n... and http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/25/b... | Sep 14 17:43 |
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| balzac | You need to let him know that saving money IS the risk-averse business strategy | Sep 14 17:43 |
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| balzac | Paying Microsoft for crap-ware is just dumb as hell. | Sep 14 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | OT: got a troll back in BN: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... (started flooding with attacks again) | Sep 14 17:44 |
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| macabe | Thanks, need all the argument material I can get. | Sep 14 17:45 |
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| balzac | The only reason to tolerate any Microsoft products in a given company is because people who use those products need to be given time to learn new software. | Sep 14 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | They need a Web server with Solitaire and Windows Media Player on it... you know, for familiarity. | Sep 14 17:46 |
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| PetoKraus | right, so, i am running ATI driver now... | Sep 14 17:50 |
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| PetoKraus | *opensource | Sep 14 17:50 |
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| macabe | I'm reading carefully that pdf posted a while ago, excepting parts for my argument to migrate from MS. Currently we've snuck in 15 Debian servers running samba for file & print services. | Sep 14 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Which PDF? | Sep 14 17:51 |
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| macabe | I don't have it on hand right now but, I think, it's the reverse troll pdf posted here during the India anti-patent rally | Sep 14 17:54 |
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| zoobab | when is the meeting in Bangalore? | Sep 14 17:54 |
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| zoobab | it has been postponed one time | Sep 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like The Register has just dumped Microsoft: http://search.theregister.co.u... | Sep 14 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: I haven't heard from the Bangalore activisits in weeks. | Sep 14 17:56 |
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| zoobab | me too | Sep 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Software Freedom Day is coming. Might raise awareness in advance... or steal the thunder from the 24th | Sep 14 18:01 |
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| Eruaran | There's something screwy going on with the Acer Aspire One's in Australia | Sep 14 18:05 |
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| Eruaran | Apparrently the GNU/Linux model only comes with a 3 cell battery | Sep 14 18:06 |
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| Eruaran | If you want the six cell battery, and get the kind of battery life thats advertised as one of the netbooks features, you have to buy the XP version. | Sep 14 18:07 |
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| Eruaran | And of couse, nobody wants the 3 cell battery. | Sep 14 18:07 |
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| Eruaran | And Acer will charge through the nose if you want to buy the 6 cell battery separately. | Sep 14 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I read about that. | Sep 14 18:09 |
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| Eruaran | It really seems to me that OEM's are merely making a pretense of GNU/Linux based sytems... just lipservice. There's no real substance behind it at all. The choices people are given will push them toward the Windows models. The question is, Why ? | Sep 14 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | They find artistic way to say that GNU/Linux is cheaper | Sep 14 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | This is why: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/... | Sep 14 18:10 |
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| Eruaran | I mean, if they're not really serious... why bother at all ? For our customers at least, they are just wasting people's time. We have customers who do want GNU/Linux systems, but they can't get what they want - they are lead on a wild goose chase. | Sep 14 18:10 |
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| macabe | schestowitz: It called Idea for a "Reverse Patent Troll". | Sep 14 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same with Dell BTW. I can't think of s sub-notebook where those secret Microsoft subsidies don't leave GNU/Linux worse off. | Sep 14 18:13 |
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| Eruaran | And those limitations (like 80GB HDD for instance) are just flat out BS, the Aspire One with XP has a 120GB HDD. | Sep 14 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com/commun... http://lwn.net/Articles/255586/ "Reverse patent trolling is a quick way to raise money for any company with a Linux product. " | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: they modified the limitations later. | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| Eruaran | i c | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| Eruaran | no surprise there | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| daskreech | wait | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | They revised it to become even more predatory and stop the critical mass from being gained. | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| daskreech | you can't get the 6 cell for Linux? | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| Eruaran | daskreech: we had a customer who tried | Sep 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Whether Neelie et al should intervene is another matter. They did a lot of dumping early this year. PJ gave up. | Sep 14 18:17 |
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| Eruaran | daskreech: he got the run around and eventually found that he wouldn't get the 6 cell if he bought the GNU/Linux model | Sep 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Some examples: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/31/paris-c... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/01/l... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/17/finla... | Sep 14 18:17 |
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| macabe | schestowitz: The excerpts I was thinking was in the encouraging employees to retrain and if they wanted to continue with MS they would pay for it. | Sep 14 18:24 |
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| daskreech | Eruaran: Who is he buying it from? | Sep 14 18:28 |
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| Eruaran | daskreech: he did his own research and couldn't seem to get one... our supplier would only offer us a 6 cell battery purchased separately | Sep 14 18:31 |
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| Eruaran | When I enquired with the supplier about the GNU/Linux model with a 6 cell battery they didn't even answer the question - they simply gave me the code to order the 6 cell battery separately | Sep 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Li... | Sep 14 18:34 |
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| Eruaran | So, basically Australian customers can't order one locally... | Sep 14 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Amazon is taking orders for the Aspire One for $399.95. This version also ships with a 160GB HDD and Windows XP, which means you won’t be saddled with the slow SSD that plagues the Linux version of the Aspire One." http://www.liliputing.com/2008/09/acer-... | Sep 14 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Saddled with?" | Sep 14 18:36 |
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| *tessier likes his SSD | Sep 14 18:40 |
| zoobab | I think there are 2 versions of HDs | Sep 14 18:41 |
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| zoobab | and one is slow | Sep 14 18:41 |
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| zoobab | I am having a look to buy one | Sep 14 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/... | Sep 14 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Gonna mortgage your house or send your children into slavery for sweet SSD love?" | Sep 14 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu... ("Linus Torvalds gets excited by SSDs") | Sep 14 18:44 |
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| Eruaran | I'm going to start telling linux customers: "I sympathise with your | Sep 14 18:44 |
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| Eruaran | *"I sympathise completely: I'm a linux user also, and yes, they're just F&*#ing with us." | Sep 14 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Who to turn them to (what product)? I'm not sure what's available in AU. | Sep 14 18:45 |
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| Eruaran | Nobody. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| Eruaran | Not if you want an Atom based system. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| Eruaran | If you want a Celeron, there's the Eee. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | I was never a fan of Intel (Atom) in the first place. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| Eruaran | But if you want an Atom system with long battery life. Buy the Windows XP version. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's an anti-OLCP move. Let me find what Carla shredly wrote. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| Eruaran | Thats all the choice there is. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | *shrewdly http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... | Sep 14 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | "FOSS keeps people honest. That's the #1 reason there is such strong, well-funded opposition to it. Honesty is Kryptonite to anyone who makes their living peddling lies. The big lie that gets my goat every time is these big tech companies that continually boast of their innovation. All they innovate are stagnation and barriers to innovation." | Sep 14 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | "The poster child for this is the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child). Whatever you may think of OLPC itself, it spawned the netbook revolution. All those titans of industry have had the resources since forever to invent the netbook on their own. They all badmouthed and undermined OLPC. Now they can't crank out their own OLPC ripoffs fast enough. | Sep 14 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | AMD is fortunately set to enter the market and the same goes for ARM, which is going all the way with Linux and Mozilla. | Sep 14 18:48 |
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| Eruaran | We have customers who want Linux on netbooks. Many are "recent converts" and this kind of thing is entirely new to them: As consumers they don't understand at all. Which is good really, you get a lot of angry consumers saying, "thats just stupid !" | Sep 14 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/hom... "Advanced Micro Devices has no immediate plans to release a processor designed for low-cost laptops, sometimes called netbooks, saying its not yet clear whether or not growing shipments of these devices will cannibalize sales of mainstream laptops." | Sep 14 18:49 |
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| Eruaran | You direct them to make their angry calls to Acer and Asus. | Sep 14 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Some low-end netbook models use an existing AMD Geode processor, but the company hasn't announced a specific processor aimed at this product segment, apart from general plans to release chips based on a low-power architecture called Bobcat in 2010." | Sep 14 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Knowing Intel though, they are likely to dump, bribe and FUD against them. | Sep 14 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still not sure if Intel is more evil than Microsoft. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/... Let me see if Intel has a history of fraud. | Sep 14 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | *securities fraud that is (I know there was a recent 1-billion-dollar suit for their bribes with Dell | Sep 14 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | de Raadt gave them some good spanking in 2006 for haring FOSS ( http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006... and http://kerneltrap.org/node/7184 ) | Sep 14 18:53 |
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| Eruaran | gtg | Sep 14 18:53 |
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| twitter | OLPC uses Geode, right? | Sep 14 18:54 |
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| twitter | What was the point of that Perlow link? | Sep 14 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | "EX-INTEL ENGINEER CHARGED IN FRAUD " http://tinyurl.com/5vfvjs | Sep 14 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: just that last sentence which I remembered. I don't like Perlow. He admits to trolling for comments. | Sep 14 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, OLPC uses (used?) it. Intel had to end it because Geode was too much for Intel to compete with. I'll find the article about it. | Sep 14 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Found it. http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diam... | Sep 14 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | "2 days before Intel CEO Paul Otellini would unveil the Classmate 2 or the Intel-powered XO at the CES, Intel announced that they are quitting the OLPC board." | Sep 14 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Intel claims that they are quitting because of Nicholas Negroponte wanting them to stop the promotion of the Classmate/Eee to education in third world countries, but I think that the real reason is that Intel does not have a good enough processor for the OLPC project to use as an alternative to the AMD Geode LX-700." | Sep 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Intel has not been able to develop a processor to match the price, power consumption and performance requirements of the OLPC project. Paul Otellini could have looked like a fool at the CES if he had to unveil an Intel powered XO that was performing worse in terms of price and power consumption compared to the AMD powered one. " | Sep 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/n... ("Investors sue Dell on payments from Intel: WSJ") | Sep 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37670 Lenovo got financial help from Intel, claim [kickbacks] | Sep 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39733 (Negroponte says Intel should be "ashamed of itself" ) | Sep 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Then there was Microsoft's bribe in Nigeria, where Intel also funded the cost of Classmates (selling at a loss): http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31... http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/gove... | Sep 14 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14124 http://fussnotes.typepad.com/plexnex/... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/1... http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/keyboard/olpc_... http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-982... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... etc etc | Sep 14 19:01 |
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| twitter | Well, it's obvious that free software + $200 netbook = certain death for Wintel. | Sep 14 19:02 |
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| twitter | They might as well let AMD have the business because China is unleashing MIPS on the world anyway. | Sep 14 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | ARM is their nightmare. They go micro now. Risky game. | Sep 14 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQbN6tpYXw http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-... | Sep 14 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: you beat me to it. Yes, it starts with cheap imitations which then become better than what the US-based companies offer. Here's a video explaining how it affected the steel industry (the "disruption" theory): http://ia360621.us.archive.org/0/i... http://ia360602.us.archive.org/0/i... | Sep 14 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon this is why Intel is moving some of its operations to China (and so does MicrosofT). | Sep 14 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | " Intel eliminates salary allowances to stop fraud [...] The Times of India had reported in September last year that the company was conducting a serious investigation into malpractices related to allowance claims, resulting in the exit of several hundred employees." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.co... | Sep 14 19:12 |
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| twitter | Hmmm, now I see the Perlow article. He hates SSD because Vista can't use them due to disk churn. http://hardware.slashdot.org/a... | Sep 14 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Just found this from Perens: MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/0... ) | Sep 14 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft's new "Software Choice" campaign is all for your right to choose... as long as you choose Microsoft. It's too bad that Intel and the U.S. Government couldn't see through the rhetoric. Microsoft is worried about Peruvian Congressman Edgar Villanueva's proposal for his nation's government agencies to standardize on Free Software for their own internal use." | Sep 14 19:15 |
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| twitter | It is good that Linus will put SSD code into the kernel. There are already free file systems that make flash memory use practical, as can be seen in embedded Linux applications going back to Zaurus and Familiar. | Sep 14 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Vista and SSD is like water and sand, twitter: "If your SSD sucks, blame Vista, says SSD vendor [...] It's Windows Vista's fault that solid-state storage isn't performing as well as its proponents predicted. So said SanDisk CEO Eli Harari, but at least he didn't go as far as saying it's Microsoft's problem to fix." from http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/... | Sep 14 19:16 |
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| twitter | Vista has that stupid, constantly indexing file system and DRM. These churn disk drives and will burn SSDs out quickly. | Sep 14 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/UBI_File_System | Sep 14 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | "Here is a new flash file system developed by Nokia engineers with help from the University of Szeged. The new file-system is called UBIFS, which stands for UBI file system. UBI is the wear-leveling/ bad-block handling/volume management layer which is already in mainline (see drivers/mtd/ubi)," began Artem Bityutskiy. | Sep 14 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | He explained that UBIFS is stable and "very close to being production ready", aiming to offer improved performance and scalability compared to JFFS2 by implementing write-backaching, and storing a file-system index rather than rebuilding it each time the media is mounted. | Sep 14 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | "Vista burns laptop hard disks - Failure eight times higher than under XP [...] The hard disk’s temperature can get ten degrees higher than the vendors’ specifications allow. This could cause hard disk failures eight times more frequent than with XP. " http://4sysops.com/archives/vi... | Sep 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | There's also this: "Windows Vista's Constant HD Activity Craziness [..] Any user that has used Windows XP and updating to Vista will notice one thing: In Vista, your hard drive thinks it's a bewitched lawnmower – it's always active. Even after all startup programs are loaded, the HD is still active: Vista's Constant HD Activity Craziness. " | Sep 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | From There's also this: "Windows Vista's Constant HD Activity Craziness [..] Any user that has used Windows XP and updating to Vista will notice one thing: In Vista, your hard drive thinks it's a bewitched lawnmower – it's always active. Even after all startup programs are loaded, the HD is still active: Vista's Constant HD Activity Craziness. " | Sep 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. From http://texhex.blogspot.com/2007/11/w... | Sep 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | This one is interesting: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htm... | Sep 14 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Intel settled, i.e. bailed out. "In that suit, Intel has denied Intergraph's accusations of fraud, theft of trade secrets and anticompetitive conduct." | Sep 14 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | That 1999 settlement could be interesting. It's also here: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/s... (FTC chief has antitrust plate full.) People in Groklaw have explained how Intel had been abusing its position for /decades/, but people seem to be forgetting their old bad behaviour. Intel has many lobbyists too. | Sep 14 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | I put many examples of their lobbying and FTC 'special treatment' (the head resigned) here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin... | Sep 14 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | So **that's** what happens to Peter Galli: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10... | Sep 14 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | FUDmeister now *directly* on their payroll: http://www.google.com/search?sour... Another Mole for Microsoft. | Sep 14 20:06 |
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| twitter | Thanks for the SSD links. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 updated with http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/211741 | Sep 14 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: you seem to have gotten the message across to Mark Shuttleworh: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... | Sep 14 20:35 |
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| twitter | Shuttleworth misses a larger point, there's no need for an EULA for terms that cover distribution. It should be enough for Shuttleworth to abide by Mozilla's licensing terms. | Sep 14 20:39 |
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| twitter | End users should not be troubled with the details. | Sep 14 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplan... | Sep 14 20:40 |
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| twitter | Free software users should never have to press "I agree" | Sep 14 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | See the messages at the bottom here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gobuntu-d... | Sep 14 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm going to do a post about Galli. Microsoft 'rewards' reporters by hiring them (Novell did this with Zonker perhaps) and 'rewards' analysts by paying them huge lumps of money to conduct 'studies' (DiDio comes to mind, so I'll add her to the soup) | Sep 14 20:43 |
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| twitter | I might have to add Galli to the poison pen collection. | Sep 14 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/... | Sep 14 20:50 |
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| moparx | Wow.. Mozilla forcing a EULA popup on firefox is just now making news? I was bitching about this months ago >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article... | Sep 14 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | If Debian makes Iceweasel, it's hardly news. But Ubuntu is the Kind of Hype. | Sep 14 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | *King | Sep 14 22:16 |
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| MinceR | ubuntu isn't even close to being king of hype | Sep 14 22:21 |
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| MinceR | haven't you ever heard of crApple? :> | Sep 14 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | This one < http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp... > (new)? | Sep 14 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | I realise you dislike Apple, so may I interest you in older examples? Moving from Mac to Ubuntu: Why I’m switching : http://meganmcdermott.com/2008/08... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Apple + ActiveSync is eating email on my iPhone: iCrap? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9989... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | My MacBook Air dies while Google Docs is offline: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-9985... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | iTunes Store "Unavailable": This iPod Touch Owner is Stuck in Update Limbo: http://blogs.pcworld.com/staf... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | iPhone 3G Frenzy Causes Glitch: http://www.redherring.com/blogs/24467 | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Leopard early adopters suffer for the rest of us: http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9809571-37.html | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death': http://www.computerworld.com/action/article... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | New iMacs plagued by interface freezing issues : http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/0... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Three blue screens of death and an iTunes mess : http://blogs.computerworld.com/three_blu... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Apple Itunes deletes HD downloads : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Massive Data Loss Bug in Leopard : http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massiv... | Sep 14 22:27 |
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| *MinceR reads :) | Sep 14 22:35 |
| MinceR | lol, asay finds out apple products suck | Sep 14 22:37 |
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| MinceR | what's he going to do now? | Sep 14 22:38 |
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| daskreech | http://www.amazon.com/Display-Intel-Pr... | Sep 14 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: denial. | Sep 14 22:43 |
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| daskreech | You can get the Linux EEE Pc with the 6 cell battery | Sep 14 22:43 |
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| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | daskreech: not in Australia on the face of it. | Sep 14 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Australia seems to be getting screwed badly by ASUS. Not the first example; far from it, actually. | Sep 14 22:44 |
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| daskreech | Oh that sucks | Sep 14 22:45 |
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| MinceR | lol, the steps to fix the BSoD are wrong | Sep 14 22:47 |
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| MinceR | he forgot to escape or quote the spaces | Sep 14 22:48 |
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