| schestowitz | Will be ready at the beginning of next year | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Whoops. | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yes, i know. Opera too, i think | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Just got mail from RMS. ;-) Let me see... | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Nov 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | The FSF/GNU will look at ways of helping BN's campaign | Nov 20 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | As in spreading the message. | Nov 20 00:01 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Nov 20 00:03 |
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| PetoKraus | now, who's the fanny! | Nov 20 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Not the British slang, hopefulyl. | Nov 20 00:04 |
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| PetoKraus | :) yes, the brittish slang | Nov 20 00:05 |
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| PetoKraus | that was intended for ppl like BB etc | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Are you turning your site in smut? | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | smut? | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | *to | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | you mean the largest network of porn sites? | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | "http://smut.com/" | Nov 20 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't know about it. It's a word thoug. | Nov 20 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | *though. It just seemed off topic, that's all. | Nov 20 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | BB has a new article. | Nov 20 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | About FOSS and BiZniZ | Nov 20 00:07 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: my page was never about software | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | it was always just tidbits from my life... | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | He often writes about how we should all get more 'professional'... as in mixed source, patents, OOXML, whatever... I don't understand him | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | .he's clearly with Free software and all, but he misses the point of the need for change | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | mainly pictures. Though, since I don't have time to go around and shoot people with camera, and shoot stuff with camera... | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | he's clearly open source. | Nov 20 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | He wants FOSS people to assimilate and adapt to the very same thing they oppose, because it's _wrong_ | Nov 20 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | we may argue about his free software allegiance | Nov 20 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe he's confused. | Nov 20 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | But he's not a bad person. | Nov 20 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno. mixed feelings, mostly | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Me and him are alike in many ways, but he shies away from exposing corruption. | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's something we /must/ have | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't know him that much either. | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| PetoKraus | to judge, i mean | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Otherwise it won't be exposed. Microsoft talks about it itself... letting the opposition find the misconduct. | Nov 20 00:10 |
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| PetoKraus | right. nice chat; I am gonna take a nap. long day tomorrow. | Nov 20 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Nap? At half past midnight? | Nov 20 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | :D yes. till like 8:30 or so | Nov 20 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | So it's not a nap then. Gosh. 8 hours. I'm used to less than 6 | Nov 20 00:23 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, i work differently | Nov 20 00:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i "sleep" once a year | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hibernation then. Winter time. | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| PetoKraus | almost | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Be careful. | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| PetoKraus | it's usually after three days of being awaken | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| jose | who is this person being talked about? | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| PetoKraus | playing deus ex | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Check your BIOS beforehand. | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | You might now wake up if it's Foxconn. | Nov 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | *n ot | Nov 20 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to stop being lazy twat though | Nov 20 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | and force myself to get outta my bed at about 8.00 | Nov 20 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | though it's hard cause we are not using our central heating yet | Nov 20 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, it's fkn 10C, i use to sleep outside in sleeping bag in the summer at about the same temperature | Nov 20 00:26 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: how cold it's "down there"? | Nov 20 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Not enough. | Nov 20 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | If it were colder, I'd open a window | Nov 20 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | nice to see someone as stingy as me ;) | Nov 20 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | our flat is like heat black hole, we are sucking the heat from other flats around us | Nov 20 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Not good for metabolism. ;-) | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | why? | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | You'll get puffed up... like Linus | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | my standard body temperature is 37.0C | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something. | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, i burn stuff | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | you know what's scoobie snack? | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot... | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | i can eat three a day and still be hungry | Nov 20 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | snacks aren't food. I used to work at the office more. My diet was bad. | Nov 20 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, RMS used to /LIVE/ in his office. | Nov 20 00:30 |
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| PetoKraus | alright, you don't know what's scoobie snack | Nov 20 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* I thought about that... | Nov 20 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | The song... | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | "In Glasgow's late night eateries the term Scooby Snack denotes a roll containing: Lorne sausage, bacon, a fried egg, a Tattie Scone, a beef burger and cheese." | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Ah.. | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | and craploads of brown sauce | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | all fried. | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Now the song makes more sense. | Nov 20 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't obesity bad over there in Edinburgh? | Nov 20 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | dunno, i'm in glasgow :P | Nov 20 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | I think I saw the states once. | Nov 20 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, it's not really bad. There are nice girls here.... though sometimes you have to run away when you hear "ze fonny skotish eksent, meyt-" | Nov 20 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | People in the States judge based on state how incline people are to follow the surroundings and gain weight. | Nov 20 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I like Scottish accent. | Nov 20 00:33 |
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| PetoKraus | i like it too | Nov 20 00:34 |
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| PetoKraus | but not on that really attractive girl over there. | Nov 20 00:34 |
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| PetoKraus | it's fun for a guy | Nov 20 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | it's terrible for a female :P | Nov 20 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | the second i hear "that's booolocks maaan" i am like "ewww". | Nov 20 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it depends. | Nov 20 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ask them not to talk. :-) | Nov 20 00:36 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Nov 20 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | i know how this will end | Nov 20 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | some girl from slovakia will come here | Nov 20 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | i'll fall in love | Nov 20 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | ... that's how it always ends... you have to go trough half the world to marry the girl next door. | Nov 20 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Talk about picky.. going by accents now? | Nov 20 00:38 |
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| PetoKraus | :P not really | Nov 20 00:38 |
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| PetoKraus | the main thing is the hair colour i guess | Nov 20 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | There's bleach. | Nov 20 00:39 |
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| PetoKraus | not for me | Nov 20 00:39 |
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| PetoKraus | tar? | Nov 20 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Not tar. | Nov 20 00:41 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) nice banter. good night. | Nov 20 00:42 |
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| twitter | Looky, looky, someone's got a blacklist http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/... | Nov 20 01:39 |
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| twitter | What's going on? | Nov 20 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Every police force in the UK was tonight scouring the leaked British National party membership list for names of serving officers, after the Merseyside force confirmed it was investigating one officer's links to the far-right party." | Nov 20 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | I can only imagine that extremism will rise as the markets decline. | Nov 20 01:40 |
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| twitter | I've got a list of people I'd like fired. Can I post it on the internet and have the police arrest everyone? | Nov 20 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom, as ironic as it may sound, can be considered an extremism too (albeit an altruistic type) | Nov 20 01:41 |
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| twitter | Sounds like extreme to me. | Nov 20 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | What is? | Nov 20 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | See http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/20... | Nov 20 01:42 |
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| twitter | Arresting people for thoughtcrime. | Nov 20 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | maybe they watched Minority R3p0rt for INSPIR~1 | Nov 20 01:43 |
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| twitter | These people can run for office but not be on the police force? | Nov 20 01:43 |
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| twitter | 13,000 names ! | Nov 20 01:44 |
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| twitter | My name is common, so I'm always stopped by the TSA. I wonder if I'm also a member of this goofey BNP too. | Nov 20 01:45 |
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| twitter | I'm probably a Communist as well. | Nov 20 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | twitter is a common name | Nov 20 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | it's also a site name | Nov 20 01:46 |
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| twitter | at least one doctor, the odd man out. | Nov 20 01:46 |
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| twitter | See? | Nov 20 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | They can't trust people with pseudonyms. It arouses suspicion. | Nov 20 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | This is funny: | Nov 20 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a... | Nov 20 01:47 |
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| twitter | John Page was on the list. How many John Pages are there now worried for their job? | Nov 20 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they have more details. The name needn't be primary key in the DB | Nov 20 01:49 |
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| twitter | I'm just sick of lists. | Nov 20 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | Soon they'll 'label' us with national ID... kind of like cows. | Nov 20 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | If you want to 'piss off' surveillance (assuming you have any), set up VPN overseas and always use the cash machine for spendings. Big and rare withdrawals are best. | Nov 20 01:51 |
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| twitter | Once you make these lists, they are abused. | Nov 20 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/n... | Nov 20 01:51 |
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| twitter | It's easy to start out with nasties like BNP, which sounds like some kind of neo nazi group, but they you end up with lists of "terrorists" opposed to the death penalty. | Nov 20 01:52 |
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| twitter | It's a waste of public money to make lists of people who have not committed any crime. | Nov 20 01:52 |
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| twitter | Soon the lists are used to harass political opposition of any kind. Then the rulers can be as extreme as their loony imaginations will allow. | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| twitter | I saw the robot guy and the trash story. | Nov 20 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | People of Iceland | Nov 20 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | They used laws passed to handle terrorist to quiet down and send opposition to 'exile' | Nov 20 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | I saw another example earlier today. I can't recall what it was. | Nov 20 01:58 |
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| twitter | got link? | Nov 20 01:58 |
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| schestowitz | No, I can't remember. | Nov 20 01:58 |
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| schestowitz | Good feed on the topic of national harvesting: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/... | Nov 20 01:59 |
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| twitter | Here's an interesting story about Iceland. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/17/... | Nov 20 01:59 |
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| twitter | "Big fish eat the little fish, little fish got to be fast. That's the law of the fish, baby. You got to move your ass" - The Radiators. | Nov 20 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know ( Britain, like Iceland, in big trouble ) | Nov 20 02:00 |
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| twitter | UK ate Iceland. Who will eat the UK? | Nov 20 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | How empires have fallen. | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | China? | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's growing like mad. I fear not. :-) | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| twitter | Could be. They were about to eat GM! | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | I had a Chinese g/f. They are nice people. | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| twitter | Everyone is nice. That's why bad government is always a crime. | Nov 20 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Nov 20 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Evil comes from infinite greed | Nov 20 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | Nov 20 02:02 |
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| twitter | Oh my. 3x GDP, 7x GDP. There's not much difference in practice. | Nov 20 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | "Put simply, Britain has an air of Iceland about it. The tiny island state was brought down when foreigners lost trust in the government's ability to bail out a banking system with massive foreign currency debt at a time when the country was also running a huge trade deficit. After foreigners refused to finance its banks, they went bust and the currency sank like a lead balloon." | Nov 20 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good thing all my money (almost) is in USD | Nov 20 02:05 |
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| twitter | There will still be no fish for you http://www.fishupdate.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/1... | Nov 20 02:11 |
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| schestowitz | "He told Fishupdate in a statement: 'We have been going through difficulties in Iceland because of the freezing order on all transfers of all payments the British government issued on October 8. Icelanders are shocked, sad and angry that the British Government used their Terrorist Act to force this order." | Nov 20 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | The press it still too mquiet on this. | Nov 20 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | Either they (press) understate the threat or people overstate it. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between but govts' don't want to incite panic. | Nov 20 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | That too is distateful because it they lead people to thinking that next year will be better, then people will run out of money around Xmas (shopping) and then be jammed. | Nov 20 02:16 |
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| twitter | Iceland has a real currency crisis. They can't buy anything with it. | Nov 20 02:19 |
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| twitter | Here's a little flame from Linux that I must have slept through or ignored http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/community_... | Nov 20 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | I saw that and posted it this morning or yesterday. | Nov 20 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer posted a good reply to it. | Nov 20 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post it here because it's good. | Nov 20 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | ================================= ============================= | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly: | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | > Unjustifiable Criticism of Richard Stallman by Linus Torvalds | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | [quote] | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | The reason has always been that I don't like single-issue people, nor do | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | I think that people who turn the world into black and white are very | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | nice or ultimately very useful. | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | [quote] | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot... | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | I assume he's advocating apathy, rather than outright support for | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | gangsters like Microsoft. The problem, or rather one of many problems, | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | with Torvalds analysis, is it ignores the possibility that sometimes an | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | issue is "black and white". If Torvalds stopped preening in the mirror | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | long enough to take a look around, he'd see the full scale of the threat | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft poses, not just against Linux, but in a much wider context | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | too. The fact that Torvalds is disinterested in Microsoft's unethical | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | behaviour, particularly when it's directed towards the community of | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | which he is supposedly a central part, should not mean that others | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | aren't justified in being outraged about such behaviour. | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | For example, I wonder if Torvalds finds any ambiguity in Microsoft's | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | bribery of Nigerian education suppliers, to backtrack on a finalised | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | agreement to provide Mandriva to Nigerian schools (later overturned due | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | to public exposure and the subsequent backlash)? | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Is there anything less than crystal-clear about Microsoft attempting to | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | bribe Swedish ISO delegates to vote for OOXML at the BRM for DIS29500? | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | What is not "black and white" about Ballmer making unfounded allegations | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | of "undisclosed balance sheet liabilities", and claiming that "Linux is | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | a cancer"? | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Presumably Torvald's reaction to this thuggish behaviour is "Microsoft | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | ain't so bad". | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Is he blind; delusional or just as maliciously motivated as the Redmond | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | gangsters who he thinks it's wrong to criticise? | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know about our Finnish friend, but if someone attacks me (or the | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | community I'm a part of), I tend to fight back, rather than bend over | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | and grab my ankles whilst condemning those who stand up for what's r | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | and grab my ankles whilst condemning those who stand up for what's right. | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Torvalds is rapidly shaping up to be the next Jörg Schilling, or a | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | slightly less productive version of him, anyway. Maybe it's time the | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Free Software community redirected its efforts towards the Hurd, then | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Torvalds can go play in the corner with "his" kernel, while the rest of | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | us do what's in the best interest of the whole community - protecting | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | that community and its software from unambiguously vicious predators | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | like Microsoft. | Nov 20 02:22 |
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| twitter | Yeah, I need to install hurd on at least one machine. | Nov 20 02:23 |
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| twitter | It would be better still to ignore pronouncements like that from Linux. It's clear he's had his head in the sand, probably from all the good work he's been doing. | Nov 20 02:25 |
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| twitter | Busy people don't have time to figure a lot of things out. | Nov 20 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | He'll hopefully change his mind. | Nov 20 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't understand. | Nov 20 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | It took RMS a while to give up on Novell too. | Nov 20 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | I corresponded with him quite a bit recently and the coin dropped when the folks from India took action. | Nov 20 02:27 |
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| twitter | Here's something nice, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Softped... | Nov 20 02:28 |
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| twitter | They have been getting more and more commercial, however. I wish they made getting their latest distro easier. | Nov 20 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer produced a good demo. | Nov 20 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find it... | Nov 20 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | Down at the bottom here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/... (also as Ogg) | Nov 20 02:31 |
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| twitter | I played with their CD a couple of years ago. It did not upgrade well. | Nov 20 02:32 |
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| twitter | It's nifty on CD, not so great after install and broken when updating. | Nov 20 02:33 |
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| twitter | I'm hoping E17 gets pagers and other goodness like E16. | Nov 20 02:33 |
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| twitter | Given a stable job, that would be something fun for me to work on. | Nov 20 02:34 |
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| twitter | Much more interesting than Hurd. | Nov 20 02:34 |
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| twitter | Sam produces and ouch, " In effect, this itself shows a weakness in Novell's sales strategy - the company cannot, on its own, identify likely GNU/Linux users. It cannot convince people to switch. Red Hat has to do the hard work and then Novell tries to sneak its way in." | Nov 20 02:39 |
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| twitter | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21690/1090/ | Nov 20 02:39 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is a Microsoft subsidiary | Nov 20 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | People must stop thinking of Novell as 'on our side' | Nov 20 02:46 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's revenue comes from Microsoft, not from selling GNU/Linux services. | Nov 20 02:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft feeds its 'Novell' Division, that's just how it works. | Nov 20 02:46 |
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| schestowitz | 'Novell' Division is a competitor to GNU/Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc.) | Nov 20 02:46 |
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| jose | i saw a vmware commercial about running linux on top and this came to mind (again) | Nov 20 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | /Which/ Linux? | Nov 20 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's? :-) | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| jose | sorry... | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| jose | running windows on top of linux | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | That's how it's done, but Microsoft wants to reverse this | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| jose | ..what came to mind. | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | And it only runs SUSE properly under Windows | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hype-Viper | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| jose | was that vmware would transfer tech to microsoft | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| jose | leaving an empty shell company behind with bitrotting | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Huh? | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| jose | it's just something to watch for.. | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| jose | ..why | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, VMware *is* seemingly hijacked by MS | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Like yahoo | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| jose | say this | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | VMware is now run by Microsoft... the CEO | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| jose | because of the ceo and pressures that might lead them to strike deals with ms | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| jose | vmware stock was very high not long ago | Nov 20 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they already did that | Nov 20 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | .I wrote about this in BN | Nov 20 03:00 |
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| jose | this means that shares were probably dumped on the public | Nov 20 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Tucci and Maritz tossed out the heart of VMware | Nov 20 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's like a father sacrificing his virgin kid for some crook he knocks | Nov 20 03:00 |
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| jose | i read about engineers/execs getting tossed out | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Check the BN archives. It makes me angry to see what MS does to VMware | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| jose | is that what you mean or do you mean code? | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | which engineers? | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| jose | execs? | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | I know the technical chief or something is out too. | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| jose | yeah | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Founders ar both out. | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| jose | is that what you meant by the virgin child | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| jose | ok | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Greene and Mendelbaum/son (IIRC) | Nov 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | That would be Tucco | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| jose | well, they went public and the "public" may have swallowed the stock | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Tucci | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | EMC owns most of VMware | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | EMC is also Microsoft's partner of the year 2008 | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| jose | the incentive to keep vmware alive and competitive would disappear.. | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Put 2 and 2 together. | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| jose | especially with tough competition from linux and perhaps a sweet deal from ms | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Then they had Maritz join EMC | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| jose | sweet to whoever got in | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Two months or so later they give VMware's CEO the boot | Nov 20 03:02 |
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| jose | and the ceo, yes | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | They did this in a nasty way, NYT told the story | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Then they put Microsoft's soul in charge | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Then... VMware signed deals with MS | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| jose | ok, it went through emc.. i had forgotten | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | It was fresher in my mind when I wrote about it (with many refs | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| jose | still though the stock soared | Nov 20 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | Soared? When? | Nov 20 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | After IPO. | Nov 20 03:04 |
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| jose | saw an ad.. i know it's a bit "off topic" for the season | Nov 20 03:04 |
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| jose | soared may not be the right word but their p/e was very high and you know what is coming | Nov 20 03:05 |
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| jose | i don't know what is coming for everyone but i would think vmw still has lots of room downward | Nov 20 03:06 |
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| jose | ok, well was a though. thanks for the quick refresh.. also, the ad was for running a windows partition which is not a bad thing... | Nov 20 03:07 |
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| jose | you should be more tired than me at this time.. but maybe not | Nov 20 03:07 |
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| jose | just checked.. vmw was hitting over 110 for a while a year ago.. now at less than a fifth of that | Nov 20 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, KVM harms them too. | Nov 20 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | The thing about software is that bundling costs nothing. | Nov 20 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | VMware should have based its business model on services, just like Free software. | Nov 20 03:10 |
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| jose | with what you posted, i couldn't help but think that they would empty out the company in some way .. in ms' direction apparently | Nov 20 03:10 |
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| schestowitz | Separability of components remains for some regulators to decide on. | Nov 20 03:10 |
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| schestowitz | Another issue is that VMW was going to sue Microsoft (2006/7 article), but with Maritz in charge, forget about it. | Nov 20 03:10 |
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| jose | that lawsuit may have been a trading chip | Nov 20 03:11 |
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| schestowitz | That '"scum" (if I may respond angrily) wanted to "cut the air supply" of Netscape and stood up there for antitrust | Nov 20 03:11 |
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| schestowitz | In my eyes, Maritz stays a criminal. It's called white-collar crime. | Nov 20 03:11 |
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| schestowitz | And I don't care about journos talking about "how nice he is". | Nov 20 03:11 |
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| jose | i prefer not to take too hard a stance on any single item.. | Nov 20 03:12 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Nov 20 03:12 |
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| jose | i don't like doing business like that but it is acceptable to many | Nov 20 03:12 |
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| schestowitz | It shouldn't be. | Nov 20 03:12 |
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| schestowitz | There needs to be a law against it. | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | AND enforcement too | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| jose | "cut off air supply" can mean many things .."healthy competition" | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| jose | the totality is at least a bit sickening | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | Watch Intel bribing everyone in the world to "cut off air supply" of AMD (i.e. to end competition) | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| jose | and the threat is real.. competition or no | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's just communism | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is h/w communism | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's not even capitalistic. | Nov 20 03:13 |
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| jose | cut off air supply is something people might associate with a competitive game | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | "An Intel on every desk". | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | "At the price Intel names" | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | Collusions with Microsoft required. | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | To fix the prices. | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| jose | it's when you add everything up and see reall people affected that it becomes something more serious | Nov 20 03:14 |
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| jose | i say this because not everyone will be shocked by ms actions especially taken in isolation for with context removed | Nov 20 03:15 |
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| jose | i like how you hit quotes and things over and over.. i think that is helpful | Nov 20 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | For new reader it might be. | Nov 20 03:16 |
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| jose | maybe it is easy for me to try and maintain balance here because you are so passionate. | Nov 20 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | The "air supply" thing need to be brought to alignment with the "Evangelism is WAR" leak | Nov 20 03:16 |
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| jose | air supply will have an effect on competitors at a certain level | Nov 20 03:17 |
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| jose | but not on partners or customers as much | Nov 20 03:17 |
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| jose | in fact the evangelism "leak" had a number of things that though upset me, i can see actually ms thinking it might help them.. at least in some circles.. at least with the context removed | Nov 20 03:18 |
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| jose | people need to see how they are hurt in order to see some of this sometimes.. it's not always clear | Nov 20 03:18 |
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| jose | i was impressed and surprised by the responses on groklaw on the patent topic | Nov 20 03:20 |
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| jose | i posted my share alright but there were some very good reads.. some very clear and making effective points | Nov 20 03:21 |
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| jose | i am on the optimistic side that major ground was won in the patent war | Nov 20 03:21 |
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| jose | but we have to keep pushing. things are still too much in the air.. americans need to make sure congress doesn't try to muck things up.. rather than go further to safeguard software | Nov 20 03:22 |
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| jose | i know.. i guess this was a us thing mostly | Nov 20 03:22 |
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| jose | U.S. of A | Nov 20 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | China is the next superpower | Nov 20 03:23 |
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| *schestowitz was distracted writing this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/19/... (multi-tasking) | Nov 20 03:23 |
| jose | china has an internal mess in some quarters from what i hear | Nov 20 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | Got URLs? | Nov 20 03:24 |
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| jose | environmental.. food.. | Nov 20 03:29 |
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| jose | prob other issues as well that i don't recall | Nov 20 03:29 |
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| jose | back to the vmware for a sec | Nov 20 03:29 |
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| jose | that would run under linux (i forgot). | Nov 20 03:29 |
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| jose | using vmware instead of kvm or something else ... could help microsoft if they have close ties | Nov 20 03:30 |
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| jose | s/could/would | Nov 20 03:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 03:37 |
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| schestowitz | Novell can be used here too | Nov 20 03:37 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has arrangements with VMware since 2 months or so ago.. nothing major. | Nov 20 03:38 |
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| jose | vmware can serve as the closed source trojan | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| jose | well.. another closed source trojan | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| jose | special hooks for paying customers | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| jose | special effects.. etc. | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| jose | less deterioration.. etc | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's what Hyper-V does with SUSE... against GNU/Linux | Nov 20 03:41 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft SUSE.. MS-USE | Nov 20 03:41 |
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| jose | :-) | Nov 20 03:41 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe we should make that a label | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| schestowitz | Like Vista 7 | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | good label | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | quick before someone trademarks it | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | misuse | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | ms uses | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I'll try it for a while. | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | ms suse | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | etc | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| schestowitz | MS-uSE | Nov 20 03:42 |
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| jose | no all caps is good | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| jose | because it leaves more options as equal partners | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| schestowitz | But it's less obvious that it's S.u.S.E. | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| jose | like misuse | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| jose | not on BN | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| jose | maybe elsewhere | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| jose | ? | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| schestowitz | SUENET? | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| schestowitz | There's Ballnux already. | Nov 20 03:43 |
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| schestowitz | Google for 'ballnux' and you'll se. | Nov 20 03:44 |
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| jose | that one sounds nasty.. it works for me | Nov 20 03:44 |
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| jose | ballnux | Nov 20 03:44 |
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| jose | the suenet.. but not as a replacement for ms use | Nov 20 03:44 |
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| jose | MS-USE was fine.. maybe play around with it | Nov 20 03:44 |
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| jose | for a while | Nov 20 03:45 |
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| jose | to see what catches on | Nov 20 03:45 |
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| jose | suenet is foreign.. can be about anything.. the connection is missing | Nov 20 03:45 |
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| schestowitz | Or SUE Linux | Nov 20 03:46 |
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| jose | there is ABUSE and then there is MS-USE | Nov 20 03:46 |
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| schestowitz | I made this typos accidentally before. | Nov 20 03:46 |
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| schestowitz | *typo | Nov 20 03:46 |
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| jose | PATENT IT QUICK | Nov 20 03:46 |
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| jose | accidents are great for patenting | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| schestowitz | Shane built SueMe Linux, which was Slax-based | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| jose | it's the full slap in the face and more | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| schestowitz | I ought to get some sleep now. It's 4 AM. | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| schestowitz | Catch you later. | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| jose | yup | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| jose | me too | Nov 20 03:47 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Nov 20 09:24 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Nov 20 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | Why is Novelll referred to as an "open source" company? http://ostatic.com/177042-blog/how-low-... And SUN?????? | Nov 20 09:31 |
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| PetoKraus | still awaken? :) | Nov 20 09:32 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 20 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I slept for 4.5 hours | Nov 20 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | Couldn't do longer. Sometimes my body's just like that. Rare though... | Nov 20 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Here's something to help (GPLv2): Sun commits to JavaFX despite uncertainty < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/... > | Nov 20 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/20/bar... "The failure of Obama's webmasters to follow anything remotely like best practices is more than a little troubling because it suggests they don't fully grasp the security realities of living in a Web 2.0 world." | Nov 20 09:40 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: is your page down, or...? | Nov 20 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | You too? | Nov 20 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | I can reach it from the validator. | Nov 20 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | But I can't access the site from here, so I know the server is up. I was gonna ask to see if it was JANET. | Nov 20 09:46 |
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| maxstirner | morning. site is down? | Nov 20 09:54 |
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| PetoKraus | site, dns, or something | Nov 20 09:55 |
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| maxstirner | i see.. | Nov 20 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | "As quite a few folks have sent in, it appears that the always funny team of folks who made up Monty Python actually seem to get the concept of giving away infinite goods to increase the value of scarce goods. They've set up a Monty Python channel on YouTube, where they'll be putting up pretty much all of their videos in high quality. " ( Monty Python Puts All Its Content On YouTube To Increase Sales Of Scarce Goods ) | Nov 20 09:58 |
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| maxstirner | nice | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | maxstirner: it worked momentarily this morning, then become unavailable again | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: just read about that | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| maxstirner | on the anniversary of the sellout as well ;) | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| PetoKraus | it's not all content, it's selected content so far | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Not a DNS issue. | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | ââÅâââ¬(roy@localhost Thu, 20 Nov 08)ââ⬗—————————————— ——————————— ——âââ¬(/home/roy)âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(09:59 $)âââ¬> wget boycottnovell.com | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | --2008-11-20 09:59:24-- http://boycottnovell.com/ | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Resolving boycottnovell.com... 72.29.75.151 | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Connecting to boycottnovell.com|72.29.75.151|:80... | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | ââÅâââ¬(roy@localhost Thu, 20 Nov 08)ââ⬗———————— ——————————————— ————âââ¬(/home/roy)âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(09:59 $)âââ¬> ping boycottnovell.com | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data. | Nov 20 09:59 |
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| PetoKraus | uh | Nov 20 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Video here: http://techdirt.com/articles/20081119/0... | Nov 20 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | The server is definitely up and running: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=htt... | Nov 20 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | Although the IRC logs cause the FP not to validate | Nov 20 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data. | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | From 72.29.88.33 icmp_seq=447 Time to live exceeded | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | From if-4-1-0-463.mcore3.LDN-London.as6453.net (195.219.195.37) icmp_seq=448 Time to live exceeded | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | From if-4-1-0-463.mcore3.LDN-London.as6453.net (195.219.195.37) icmp_seq=449 Time to live exceeded | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | From if-4-1-0-463.mcore3.LDN-London.as6453.net (195.219.195.37) icmp_seq=450 Time to live exceeded | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | From if-4-1-0-463.mcore3.LDN-London.as6453.net (195.219.195.37) icmp_seq=451 Time to live exceeded | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| PetoKraus | that obama article is nice | Nov 20 10:08 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hey buddy, what's wrong with the website? | Nov 20 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | You too? | Nov 20 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. The server is up. maxstirner, can you get to BN? | Nov 20 10:17 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: A D.O.S attack by Microsoft?? | Nov 20 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. No. | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| Omar87 | hehehe :D | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| Omar87 | What's wrong? | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| maxstirner | schestowitz: couldnt earlier, cant now | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: hmm?? | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| maxstirner | domain doesnt resolve.. doesnt ping.. ip from rdns doesnt ping.. | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| Omar87 | Weird.. | Nov 20 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | One must wonder if someone 'pulled a Wikileaks' | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| Omar87 | Wikileaks? | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. Got it | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | ping boycottnovell.com | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data. | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=465 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=466 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=467 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=468 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=469 ttl=48 time=106 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=470 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=471 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=472 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=473 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=474 ttl=48 time=105 ms | Nov 20 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.blacksunjournal.com/current-affairs/125... | Nov 20 10:20 |
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| Omar87 | lol, I've opened a blog a couple of days ago, still wondering what to write in it.. lol. ? :) | Nov 20 10:21 |
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| maxstirner | its back now | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Site's back | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Very weird | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| maxstirner | following all the silverlight pr, its good to have it up just now | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | If only I knew the cause | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | maxstirner:/ Omar87 / PetoKraus: what time did you first notice downtime? | Nov 20 10:28 |
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| PetoKraus | when i woke up and my rss didn't refresh | Nov 20 10:29 |
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| PetoKraus | 9:01 | Nov 20 10:29 |
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| maxstirner | 0930 gmt approx? was just gonna look up your reaction to that silverlight PR stuff .. got some conspiracy theories going right away | Nov 20 10:29 |
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| Omar87 | Omar87: Minutes ago. | Nov 20 10:31 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Nov 20 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of Novell/Opensuse employees/people seem to be attacking BN now. | Nov 20 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | All those ugly comments from last night... many come from German IPs | Nov 20 10:36 |
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| maxstirner | comments where? on BN? | Nov 20 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, just attacks. | Nov 20 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | We have over 20,000 pageviews a day, but the comments only come from those who can't keep their mouth shut. *sigh* | Nov 20 10:37 |
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| Omar87 | Can you show me some of them? | Nov 20 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | Have a look at the front page. Some of them are Slashdot astroturfers whom came to BN to stalk twitter. | Nov 20 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Of course, needless to say, they'll deny it. | Nov 20 10:44 |
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| maxstirner | its just due to the attention re: silverlight and 2-year anniversary atm, consider irritating them to such a degree an indicator of your success :D | Nov 20 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | They don't do well. | Nov 20 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | They started talking about Silverlight 3 | Nov 20 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | I kid you not. I see it in headline. | Nov 20 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Vapourware all over again... is Novell still in some semi-cooked 1.0 area....? Strategy: help XAML more widespread (fool Web devs into thinking it's cross-platform) and see GNU/Linux "not working" with the Web. | Nov 20 10:45 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I can't believe there are still people out there who still believe that Red Hat is taking control of FOSS and OSS.. -_- | Nov 20 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Taking control? No, the code is all out there. Centos, StartCom Xos, Unbreakable... | Nov 20 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's Novell that uses patents to poison and stifle use, impeding sharing | Nov 20 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck getting the code for SLES. You must be a Novell customer to gain access to it. BN wrote about this before. | Nov 20 11:05 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exactly! :) | Nov 20 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | There are no SUSE forks. NONE. | Nov 20 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat? There are so many | Nov 20 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | /forks/rebranding/ | Nov 20 11:06 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: But I think the source code for OpenSuse is attainable, or is it? | Nov 20 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but not SLES/D. Not unless you just through hoops and probably pay | Nov 20 11:07 |
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| Omar87 | mhmm | Nov 20 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder what the FSF would say | Nov 20 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | They could use that against Novell | Nov 20 11:07 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Actually, I wonder how come we never hear anything from RMS and about that.. ? | Nov 20 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | Novell would insist it's in compliance with the GPL. | Nov 20 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: that may change soon. He tries not to stip up trouble. | Nov 20 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | *stir | Nov 20 11:08 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Who are they fooling? :D | Nov 20 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Blue collar typos | Nov 20 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Not developers | Nov 20 11:10 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: If people at Novell are a bunch of idiots, this doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else out there is, right? :) | Nov 20 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | I sometimes wonder if staff at Novell will defect. In difficult times people don't hop off board | Nov 20 11:11 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: this is just ridiculous, all the links, quotes, images, and reports you keep adding to each and everyone of your posts, and the lady still says what you say is so unsupported?? 0_o | Nov 20 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 20 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | Someone got this headline too early: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Microsoft_Insults_t... (before it was corrected) | Nov 20 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | It still says Jordan (Amman) | Nov 20 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I have a huge post on Mono coming. It's getting hard for the deniers to go on, so they attack messengers now. They don't like being presented the truth, so they want to suppress it. | Nov 20 11:16 |
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| kentma | denier's a great word: roman coin, thickness of silk, and someone who disputes the validity of established fact... what a great combination :-) | Nov 20 11:55 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: some among deleted videos are recovered | Nov 20 12:23 |
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| anivar | it is in my blog | Nov 20 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Nov 20 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | Will you put them up? | Nov 20 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, wait. | Nov 20 12:23 |
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| anivar | http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008... | Nov 20 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Can I make ogg from these? Please? | Nov 20 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Is that all of them? | Nov 20 12:25 |
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| _doug | interesting msg seen on a website .. | Nov 20 12:41 |
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| _doug | In order to view comments on ***.*** you need to enable JavaScript. | Nov 20 12:41 |
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| _doug | If you are using Firefox and NoScript addon, please mark ***.*** as trusted. | Nov 20 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 20 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | They got complaints from people who don't like Web spyware | Nov 20 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | The Web devolved into a probing machine analysing people's thoughts and habits. It's amazing what happens behind the scenes. | Nov 20 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Google knows everyone's preferred screen resolution, home address, office address, etc. | Nov 20 12:43 |
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| _doug | another free advert for MS on slashdot .. | Nov 20 12:50 |
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| _doug | http://tech.slashdot.org/te... | Nov 20 12:50 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 20 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | Well, MS is a sponsor at /., so they have to be "fair". | Nov 20 12:50 |
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| _doug | bringing viruses to the HPC sector .. :0 | Nov 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | heh. | Nov 20 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | It seems as though the editor of Linux Today reads BN. | Nov 20 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: listen... about HPC... | Nov 20 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | Here at the University of Manchester I've seen how Microsoft approaches this. | Nov 20 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | Be NOT surprised if Microsoft paid someone to experiment with Windows just to crow about it ('case study'). | Nov 20 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | They do a lot of the same stuff with Silverlight, e.g. bribing the Lib. of Congress $millions to put Silverlight in people's faces. | Nov 20 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | I've put more examples here, in case anyone asks about it (or asks for proof of it being a PATTERN): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/... | Nov 20 12:58 |
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| _doug | free adverts pretending to be 'studies' or tech news .. | Nov 20 13:00 |
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| _doug | "the deepest of pockets, unlimited ambition, and they are willing to lose money for years and years just to make sure that you don’t make any money, either" | Nov 20 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Prepare for MS to turn Yahoo into a 'subsidiary', like NOVL: http://www.pcworld.com/article/154177/... | Nov 20 13:01 |
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| _doug | I do believe that sentiment motovates most evangelism, it's not about promoting the $product, it's about prefenting the other fella getting into the space .. | Nov 20 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: that's Cringely. | Nov 20 13:02 |
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| _doug | Cringely: well, he's right ain't he ? | Nov 20 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind that the advert came from IDC (IDG being a subsidy)... Microsoft 'buddies' | Nov 20 13:04 |
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| _doug | "Robert X. Cringely is the pen name of both technology journalist Mark Stephens and a string of writers for a column in InfoWorld" | Nov 20 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Nov 20 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | I spoke to the real one | Nov 20 13:05 |
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| _doug | "Internet Café Invaded by Linux Desktop" | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| _doug | http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/internet-caf... | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | He knows the dirty stuff | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| maxstirner | farming | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | He hopefully gave no address | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| maxstirner | sorry wrong window ;) | Nov 20 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will tak e em to the back and offer Wincentives | Nov 20 13:07 |
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| _doug | seller_liar: what does that mean ? | Nov 20 13:32 |
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| seller_liar | what? | Nov 20 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: that's his regular name. | Nov 20 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2... < Windows 7 doomed by economic outlook > | Nov 20 13:35 |
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| _doug | what deos it mean ? | Nov 20 13:36 |
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| _doug | does .. | Nov 20 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know, but seller_liar is one of the good guys. | Nov 20 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | The name is amusing. | Nov 20 13:36 |
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| seller_liar | heheh,the name is wrong typed, | Nov 20 13:37 |
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| seller_liar | it's not a good english[ | Nov 20 13:37 |
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| seller_liar | that's intentional | Nov 20 13:37 |
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| seller_liar | but ,I'm not a liar | Nov 20 13:37 |
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| seller_liar | I do not sell lies | Nov 20 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds synonymous with FUDmeister. | Nov 20 13:40 |
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| seller_liar | What is FUDmeister? | Nov 20 13:41 |
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| _doug | A FUD meister is a practicioner of the art of injecting FUD into online discussions, under thw guise of asking innocious questions .. | Nov 20 13:46 |
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| seller_liar | Oh, this is not intentional | Nov 20 13:47 |
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| seller_liar | Sometimes ,I ask for simply curiosity | Nov 20 13:47 |
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| seller_liar | But my questions is not fud | Nov 20 13:48 |
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| _doug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister | Nov 20 13:48 |
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| seller_liar | It'only curiosity ,not flamming or trolling | Nov 20 13:48 |
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| _doug | I never said your questions were fud, where did yoy see 'FUDmeister' ? | Nov 20 13:48 |
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| trmanco | how are MS shares today? | Nov 20 13:49 |
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| _doug | Oh, I see .. schest said it .. not paying attention .. watching Youtube vids :) | Nov 20 13:49 |
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| trmanco | hmm | Nov 20 13:50 |
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| trmanco | FUDmeister == FUDmaster | Nov 20 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see the markets... *shudder* | Nov 20 13:51 |
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| seller_liar | I will stop to asking obvious questions | Nov 20 13:52 |
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| trmanco | meister is a German word | Nov 20 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | Good news. rPath distances itself from Novell in the sense that it div ersifies. | Nov 20 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/rPat... | Nov 20 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: no accusations were made. In USENET there are FUDmesters. Many of them. | Nov 20 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | "My mouse doesn't work... why doesn't Linux work?" | Nov 20 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | "My college doesn't allow Linux, what should I do?" | Nov 20 13:55 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:ok, i got the style | Nov 20 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Why does my Lunix keep crashing?" | Nov 20 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | It serves as fake testimonials | Nov 20 13:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Is very hard to me criticise free software | Nov 20 13:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: My of my time is criticise Linus and "open source" people | Nov 20 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | FTSE is below 4000 again. | Nov 20 13:57 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I agree 100% with free software | Nov 20 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Everything in Europe is crashing today (not a single exception) | Nov 20 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: they are our friends too, we need to criticise them less of 'educate' them (politely, not from a high horse). The minds of Microsoft are broken beyond repair. It's only reparable if they spend a lot of time learning *NIX, which scares them. | Nov 20 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Most of what I know about XP and Vista is based on stuff I see in Web sites. | Nov 20 13:59 |
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| seller_liar | For example ,I do not agree with mono | Nov 20 13:59 |
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| seller_liar | But , I agree to create a java implementation of .net , to give more power to java | Nov 20 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | But I knew Win98 well (based on some use), so I can comment critically and ask hard question about Windows as well. | Nov 20 14:00 |
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| seller_liar | And not give more power to .net | Nov 20 14:00 |
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| seller_liar | I know about some design flaws of Free software | Nov 20 14:01 |
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| seller_liar | but It's not a intention to create FUD | Nov 20 14:01 |
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| seller_liar | For example | Nov 20 14:02 |
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| seller_liar | I like much more PC-BSD package system than actual package system of linux distros | Nov 20 14:02 |
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| seller_liar | It's not FUD, this is a simple opinion and reflection | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| seller_liar | But in other way | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Better than getting executables from some untrusted sites. | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| seller_liar | I do not like BSD people because of stupid "superior" mentality | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| seller_liar | But this model of PC-BSD is better suited for beginners | Nov 20 14:04 |
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| seller_liar | The package loads all necessary dependencies in a single package | Nov 20 14:04 |
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| trmanco | does anybody know how long it took me to install MS SQL server express on a school computer? | Nov 20 14:04 |
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| seller_liar | There's no a list of packages to download | Nov 20 14:04 |
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| seller_liar | And the user is very free to download a package from any place | Nov 20 14:05 |
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| seller_liar | Not only of "trusted repositories" | Nov 20 14:06 |
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| seller_liar | PC-BSD for example try to use a Stable API | Nov 20 14:06 |
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| seller_liar | But actually I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 | Nov 20 14:08 |
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| seller_liar | Sometimes I acess this IRC using windows because I'm using other machines sometimes | Nov 20 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: how long? | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| seller_liar | I have installed kubuntu yesterday | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| seller_liar | I'm using konversation | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| trmanco | about 1h:30min | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | I have it on my secondary partition here. | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | [haven't booted into it for months though] | Nov 20 14:09 |
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| seller_liar | I hate windows | Nov 20 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: that can't be true. | Nov 20 14:10 |
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| seller_liar | Try to use Internet exploder in slated.org | Nov 20 14:10 |
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| trmanco | I had to install the .Net 3.5 crap and reboot, apply some weird hotfixes | Nov 20 14:10 |
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| trmanco | I had to turn off the anti virus thingy or else it would have taken a lot more time | Nov 20 14:11 |
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| seller_liar | heheh , Internet acess in Brazil is not cheap | Nov 20 14:11 |
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| seller_liar | Some times I'm using cybercafes to access Boycottnovell | Nov 20 14:11 |
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| seller_liar | I cannot uninstall windows of cybercafes | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| maxstirner | you in brazil? | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| maxstirner | ive seen quite a few internet cafes running ubuntu there | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| seller_liar | why max? | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| maxstirner | pq eu gosto do brasil :D | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| seller_liar | But there are not in my city | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| seller_liar | only stupid windowz | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| maxstirner | i've seen it done, more than in europe | Nov 20 14:12 |
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| Omar87 | Hi everyone? | Nov 20 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Hi again. | Nov 20 14:13 |
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| trmanco | hi | Nov 20 14:14 |
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| twitter | hello! | Nov 20 14:15 |
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| twitter | I don't agree with the Inq., " Linux your time is now or never" Free software will always be able to rise above non free. If M$ manages to suppress it for one company, like they did with Asus, another will see a chance to make that much more money from a market which is that much larger. | Nov 20 14:18 |
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| Omar87 | Man, if Red Hat did lock the Red Hat distro Away, then can we guaranty that Canonical won't do the same to Ubuntu one day? | Nov 20 14:19 |
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| trmanco | MSFT:Pre-Market: 18.12 -0.17 (-0.93%) - Nov 20, 9:28AM EST | Nov 20 14:20 |
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| twitter | wow, down she goes. | Nov 20 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | She? | Nov 20 14:21 |
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| twitter | M$ is a bitch. | Nov 20 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | Sue ballmer? | Nov 20 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | SUE-SE. | Nov 20 14:22 |
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| twitter | I'd like to sue ballmer, personally. | Nov 20 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | No, I meant Susan. | Nov 20 14:22 |
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| twitter | joke | Nov 20 14:22 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 20 14:23 |
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| twitter | 52 week low is now $18.08 | Nov 20 14:24 |
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| twitter | Does anyone see a bottom in this thing? Is it filled with red ink? Splash, glug, glug, glug. | Nov 20 14:25 |
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| *schestowitz searches for SCOX chart | Nov 20 14:25 |
| twitter | delisted, I think. | Nov 20 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 14:25 |
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| twitter | Next.... | Nov 20 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | BB (Big Blue | Nov 20 14:26 |
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| twitter | http://finance.google.com/finan... | Nov 20 14:26 |
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| twitter | IBM has more going on than that | Nov 20 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | MS:Low: 18.08 | Nov 20 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | My guess is that Asia will gain traction | Nov 20 14:27 |
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| seller_liar | Why IBM is so.... milionaire? | Nov 20 14:28 |
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| seller_liar | IBM does not a lot of ads and publishing | Nov 20 14:28 |
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| seller_liar | Why IBM does for conquer so much money? | Nov 20 14:29 |
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| MinceR | afaik ibm does most of its business with mainframe-like stuff | Nov 20 14:29 |
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| seller_liar | Ah ,yes 15 million ONLY ONE z | Nov 20 14:29 |
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| MinceR | that's why they neglected their desktop-related business | Nov 20 14:29 |
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| seller_liar | this is very high price | Nov 20 14:29 |
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| seller_liar | I do not like IBM ,is very stupid how only one company carries a lot of money | Nov 20 14:30 |
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| twitter | IBM got into free software consulting, a market with a future that complements their hardware sales. | Nov 20 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | They use false marketing to sell Lotus | Nov 20 14:31 |
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| seller_liar | of course linux + a 15 million z is very lucrative | Nov 20 14:31 |
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| seller_liar | roy , ibm ant criminal inside agrees free software because costs nothing for them | Nov 20 14:32 |
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| twitter | The consulting business makes money with other people's distributions and complements their heavy machinery. | Nov 20 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | BN in Japanese (Chinese I think...): http://www.lupaworld.com/viewnews-118759.html | Nov 20 14:32 |
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| twitter | Finally, it seems to have worked and they made some decent money. | Nov 20 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | They just need to bring back the code, that's all. | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| seller_liar | But criminal inside and Big Beast does not "like " the "ethical principles of freedom" | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Some of their HPC stuff they recently opened, IIRC | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Don't let them get away with just free labour from FOSS people. They must make it reciprocal. | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Also, they must fight s/w patents. | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Which is why I'm harsh on Sutor and others... they see money, so they don't feel like changing for the better. | Nov 20 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | IBM, unlike Microsoft, does not FIGHT freedom. | Nov 20 14:34 |
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| twitter | I'm not familiar enough with what they have done to judge. They have contributed to ODF and GNU/Linux kernel GPL, no? | Nov 20 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | That's where IBM got it right all along. But Mirosoft not only attacks Freedom. It broke the law to attack everything. | Nov 20 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | Business model: destroy choices, "Evangelism is WAR" [R], smear opposition | Nov 20 14:35 |
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| seller_liar | IBM only helps "linux foudation" for linux works in Z | Nov 20 14:35 |
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| seller_liar | There's not a true idea of ethical freedom | Nov 20 14:36 |
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| seller_liar | IBM works for "open source" | Nov 20 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Linux fundation [sic] is possibly a front for many companies, but IBM is the main one. | Nov 20 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Same with OIN. | Nov 20 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Intel needs them too to sell hardware. | Nov 20 14:36 |
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| twitter | SCO accused them of "stealing" their crap to "help" GNU Linux. They must have contributed something to have that thrown at them. | Nov 20 14:37 |
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| seller_liar | Linux foundation have a lot of evil people | Nov 20 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hardware companies wishing to improve their margins... | Nov 20 14:37 |
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| twitter | I like the Roughly Drafted take on that. | Nov 20 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Let me reread about the new head of OIN. | Nov 20 14:37 |
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| twitter | It's impossible for hardware companies to sell more than commodities if they all sell Winblows. Free software offers them a way to distinguish themselves, as Apple has done. | Nov 20 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about.php "Prior to joining the Open Invention Network, Mr. Bergelt served as president and CEO of two Hedge Funds – Paradox Capital and IPI – formed to unlock the considerable asset value of patents, trademarks and copyrights in middle market companies." | Nov 20 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | So he's not an IBMer like Rosenthal | Nov 20 14:39 |
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| twitter | For what it's worth, the market had more faith in IBM than it did in M$. IBM actually recovered it's value from the 2000 crash and has only sunk to 1/2 the peak now. M$ never recovered and is now trading at less than 1/3rd peak. | Nov 20 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | CEO of OIN: job description: push papers around. | Nov 20 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2008/?q=user/34 | Nov 20 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | He seems harmless. :-) | Nov 20 14:41 |
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| seller_ | There are another seller_liar | Nov 20 14:41 |
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| seller_ | And it's not me | Nov 20 14:42 |
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| twitter | That's interesting. | Nov 20 14:43 |
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| seller_ | This is very stupid | Nov 20 14:43 |
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| twitter | People at slashdot keep telling me that everyone is twitter, but no one else has really been me yet. | Nov 20 14:43 |
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| seller_ | Blizzard distrributes a Diablo 3 kit with docx | Nov 20 14:44 |
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| twitter | yes, that is stupid. | Nov 20 14:44 |
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| seller_ | Blizzard does not know about ODF and even the junk OOXML | Nov 20 14:44 |
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