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| schestowitz | CNET BSing to MS | Jan 02 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | "Oh, and we almost forgot Microsoft. Not initially enthusiastic about the Netbook market because of its XP-centric nature, Microsoft seems to have also gotten the Netbook religion with Windows 7 which will be ready for Netbooks from day one. " http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-1... | Jan 02 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | No, they will have a special crippled and poor variant some time maybe in 2010 | Jan 02 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | More vapourware, and peddling of this vapourware from Microsoft's 'pet' publication | Jan 02 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | 'Microsoft may cut 15,000 jobs this month' < http://www.indianexpress.com/news/microsoft-... > | Jan 02 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | The Times wrote about this also | Jan 02 15:30 |
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| MinceR | XP-centric? is CNet living under a rock or something? | Jan 02 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Jan 02 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | SweatyB is quite a rock. | Jan 02 15:50 |
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| MinceR | moar liek a bag of lard and sweat, amirite? | Jan 02 15:51 |
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| Axz | schestowitz, http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/01/02... | Jan 02 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | Is this blog not plagiarism? | Jan 02 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Someone warned me yesterday. | Jan 02 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check | Jan 02 16:16 |
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| Axz | sorry plagiarism? | Jan 02 16:18 |
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| Axz | oh | Jan 02 16:18 |
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| Axz | well i'm very interested in source you got that from :D | Jan 02 16:19 |
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| Axz | Anyhow its own written content | Jan 02 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, did you see the person who came to IRC yesterday? | Jan 02 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Someone was not happy about that Web site | Jan 02 16:23 |
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| Axz | Its one of my authors | Jan 02 16:24 |
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| Axz | he was confused about 2th comment on the blog | Jan 02 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8j2-1XgAA&... | Jan 02 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Jan 02 16:27 |
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| Axz | lol indeed | Jan 02 16:28 |
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| Axz | that dog is gonna pwn tony hawk | Jan 02 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Tony Dog | Jan 02 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | Vice-President of ANSOL just sent me this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/... | Jan 02 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Analyst Says Microsoft Should Lay Off 10 Percent < http://www.crn.com/software/212700128 > | Jan 02 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | I'm accumulating evidence, that's all. | Jan 02 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros... I ask:: According to http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ar... and http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/... , you may have committed inside-trading. Is this true? | Jan 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | "I know what you did last summer' :-) | Jan 02 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | ELEKS Software becomes an MS lackey: http://www.pr.com/press-release/123800 | Jan 02 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Mitchell Ashley does not quite tell in this article that he's one of the boosters of Microsoft and he's trying to deny layoffs. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article... | Jan 02 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | Is Going Private the Best Option for a Post-Yang Yahoo? < http://seekingalpha.com/article/112517-... > | Jan 02 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | The Gralla shill is of course at it as well: http://blogs.computerworld.com/this... | Jan 02 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | "However, the donation of software should be removed from this list entirely, or at least replaced with the cost value. The marginal cost of the additional copies of each piece of donated software is mere pennies, but they claim hundreds of dollars. This is akin to stealing from taxpayers, as these are deductible as charitable donations and decrease their tax liability." | Jan 02 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | "Assuming Microsoft uses the retail value of the donated software in tallying up its donations, I totally agree with Bellingman. Joseph, do you know which value Microsoft used (retail or cost-of-goods)? I assume the IRS tells them which value to use, but using the retail value seems pretty lame." | Jan 02 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... | Jan 02 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | That's the best ref so far: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/microsoft... | Jan 02 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I found 8 more to append for compelling evidence later | Jan 02 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | SOS -- 'Save Our Stocks' < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230... > Signs of what's called "failed state (or market" | Jan 02 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | For the third day in a row today, BN gets almost 10,000 visits/day. Crazy. | Jan 02 17:39 |
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| twitter | You've got news worth reading. | Jan 02 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I hope. | Jan 02 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen 3 articles so far that show Microsoft ridiculing UK broadband. Here is one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/... | Jan 02 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Read the comment here! http://www.infoworld.com/art... | Jan 02 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | One person (at least) makes the mistakes of assuming FOSS didn't hurt Microsoft. No... Windows XP sold for $5 was just something they decided was the right cost... 'NOTHING' to do with GNUi/Linux.... yeah, sure.. | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| MinceR | i don't see any comments | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | JS enabled | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | I missed it as well, for many months | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| twitter | That's funny, M$ themselves admitted to pricing pressure on Netbooks as a reason for lower profits. | Jan 02 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | I never saw any comments for months and I thought the site was abandoned | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| MinceR | well, i guess it's trying to do something nasty that i've disabled | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| twitter | Their PR bunnies lie for them. | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Then I enabled JS and voila! | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| MinceR | or it just doesn't like opera | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: they must. SEC filings. | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | If they hadn't explained a decline in revenue, they could be sued. | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| MinceR | works in ff | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| MinceR | so this isn't a webpage actually | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | They usually love accusing the "pirates" (those who fight Linux with $0 Windows) | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| MinceR | just like google fail and google maps aren't webapps | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Read the comment at the top | Jan 02 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Few people dare to say this in a big site, but I wholeheartedly agree. | Jan 02 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Some professors do too. | Jan 02 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, to many execs, crimes have become a way of life, a 'norm'. They see nothing wrong with running a business on a bubble. | Jan 02 17:48 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but the bubble is popped and M$ does not have another 5 years, let alone decades to decline. | Jan 02 17:50 |
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| twitter | 10 to 15% job cuts will seal the deal. There's no way they will be able to get out of the Vista hole. | Jan 02 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | New slogan: | Jan 02 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP): even a KIDDO can do it" http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2... | Jan 02 17:51 |
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| twitter | That cert and a buck might buy you a soda pop. | Jan 02 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: not true. They'll kill the losing products first | Jan 02 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | This means that core products like Office and Windows will stay; stuff like Zune might have to get the axes after this generation | Jan 02 17:52 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but their chief asset is gone. None will see them as immortal. | Jan 02 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Certified Professional... don't people move /AWAY/ from Microsoft? Who would need people who /memorised/ menu items? | Jan 02 17:53 |
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| twitter | Without long term credibility, people will look to alternatives like GNU/Linux that are not going anywere. | Jan 02 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | 9 year old kids whose solution is to reboot the PC by press the power button or following some friendly balloons as they reinstall the OS. | Jan 02 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | *pressing | Jan 02 17:54 |
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| twitter | Most of M$'s customers grudgingly accept what vendors push because they think corruption works and that M$ will be around forever. They think they will never really have a choice. | Jan 02 17:56 |
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| twitter | A sick M$ will convince them to look elsewhere before M$ tanks. | Jan 02 17:56 |
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| Axz | yeps ^ | Jan 02 17:57 |
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| MinceR | who would need people who memorise menu items anyway? | Jan 02 17:57 |
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| twitter | M$ says it's an important job skill. | Jan 02 17:58 |
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| twitter | The less money M$ has, the faster their monopoly will fail. | Jan 02 17:59 |
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| Axz | naah its matter of time the monopoly will fail anyhow | Jan 02 18:00 |
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| Axz | usage of Ubuntu is increased badly but in good sin | Jan 02 18:00 |
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| twitter | Sure, but the death spiral goes faster, it's positive feedback. | Jan 02 18:00 |
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| twitter | Without money, M$ can't bribe the press, FUD, advertise or even pretend to have new things. | Jan 02 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: teachers | Jan 02 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Teach the kids how to find menu items. Call it "computer classes" | Jan 02 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I'm updating a post about the layoffs. Few minutes... | Jan 02 18:03 |
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| twitter | here's a funny. Real users, real reviews http://www.informationweek.com/news/wi... | Jan 02 18:06 |
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| twitter | At this point, I take any positive reviews as astroturf. | Jan 02 18:07 |
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| twitter | Kennedy spilled the beans on Vista 7 long ago. | Jan 02 18:07 |
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| twitter | Net Applications has another bogus stat, but the direction is right. http://www.computerworld.com/action/art... | Jan 02 18:10 |
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| twitter | It is not uncommon for US Universities have Winblows use at less than 75%. | Jan 02 18:11 |
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| twitter | a 21% Vista use is laughable. | Jan 02 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | I've just updated http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/1500... . See if you spot typos in the update | Jan 02 18:12 |
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| *schestowitz on phone | Jan 02 18:12 |
| twitter | Why do people quote Net Applications? | Jan 02 18:12 |
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| twitter | pumping up the invincibility myth http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archi... | Jan 02 18:18 |
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| twitter | Dave Methvin, totally clueless. | Jan 02 18:20 |
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| *schestowitz back | Jan 02 18:39 |
| tessier_ | So has anyone actually been laid off from MS yet? | Jan 02 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I saw that too. Net Applications... I try to avoid these articles or omit the part that mentions it. They give credibility to it by citing it withoit looking at /methods/ | Jan 02 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes | Jan 02 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | Jan 02 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | See links at the bottom of: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/150... | Jan 02 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Razorfish and FAST sacked some. They are MS subsidiaries (acquired by MS) | Jan 02 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | There are also contractors of MS that got sacked or whose contract was not renewed. No official word on that yet, but former employees seem to be talking about it. | Jan 02 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: foresaw this issue: "The president of Guyana has asked police to investigate who is impersonating him on Facebook, the social networking website." < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ameri... > | Jan 02 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Linpus OOo version criticism @ http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/01/02/ope... | Jan 02 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Semiconductor Sales Dropped More Sharply in November < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156258/semicondu... > | Jan 02 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | This is bad news to any software that's resource greedy. The purchases of new hardware has taken a very sharp decline. | Jan 02 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Another one; Rumor: Microsoft to Cut 15,000 Employees this Month < http://www.dailytech.com/Rumor+Microsoft+... > | Jan 02 19:13 |
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| twitter | US manufacturing, lowest since 1948. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206010... | Jan 02 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | "The figures “confirm a sharp contraction in global investment, output and trade activity, consistent with the deepest global recession since at least the early 1980s,” said Lena Komileva, head of market economics in London at Tullet Prebon Plc." | Jan 02 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | I see the latest Net Applications BS | Jan 02 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/0... | Jan 02 19:17 |
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| twitter | It can get worse. In some places it's raining rockets and unemployment hits 80% in concentration camp. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle... | Jan 02 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's atrocious. Why can't they just live in peace? | Jan 02 19:24 |
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| MinceR | "Can't we all just get along?" | Jan 02 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | RMS writes a lot about it.. not as much about the deaths in Africa though, but he does occasionally mention it. | Jan 02 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: more market share, territories, etc. | Jan 02 19:25 |
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| twitter | RMS blames Israeli extremists because they have all the power and intentionally provoke. Real peace happened nearly ten years ago, but was destroyed by assassination and intentional provocation that's been repeated since. | Jan 02 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Jan 02 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | tessier would bed to differ | Jan 02 19:28 |
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| tessier_ | RMS, being Jewish by birth but atheist by choice, is an interesting take. | Jan 02 19:28 |
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| twitter | Police stations are targeted, but it's not the first time. They have nothing and zero ability to keep public order, much less hunt down rocket makers. | Jan 02 19:28 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: I'm not sure I would beg to differ or not. Although I do think Omar is quite far off in left field on this issue. :) | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | He blogged about it last night | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | I read his blog, so I saw it. | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | The UN needs to intervene properly | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| tessier_ | He seemed to want to play up the number of Israeli's killed by Hamas missiles for some reason. But then he wanted to say that these unguided missiles somehow were hitting only military people and not civilians like he accuses Israel of doing. | Jan 02 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | They should have done this also before the 'war' -in- ON Iraq | Jan 02 19:30 |
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| twitter | People who try to help have been beaten and assassinated. | Jan 02 19:30 |
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| tessier_ | But if the experience of the US is any example it is much more likely that Hamas is indiscriminantly targeting civilians simply due to the technology they have: unguided missiles. Whereas Israel has laser guided bombs to drop exactly where they want them. | Jan 02 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | What about bystanders? | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| tessier_ | The experience of the US also suggests that this stuff is freakin' expensive and in limited supply. We only have so many laser guided bombs and Israel has even fewer. | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| twitter | Israel refuses to make peace. | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | If you can kill 10 criminals and one kid, should you launch? | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| tessier_ | Bystanders may easily be killed but they are not the target. And the killing of bystanders has been greatly diminished by the use of laser guided bombs. | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: If you have prior knowledge? Then no. | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: But in many cases they don't. | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: probably more to do with methods | Jan 02 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Truce would work better | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Not targeted assassinations | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| twitter | It is impossible to drop a bomb on Gaza without killing innocents. It's a concentration camp. | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | In Iraq, they only invite more insurgents this way | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | So what are they achieving anyway? Just more resentment. | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: The number of insurgents in Iraq seems to be decreasing. | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| twitter | People want justice. Assassinations are the way people treat wolves and other pests. | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I didn't know that. | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| tessier_ | Not that I'm in any way in favor of how the US has been dealing with Iraq. | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | They need to find the source of the issues and listen | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| neighborlee | I think people tend to fear thus not believe what they dont yet understand ;)..I fear god ( cause I dont want to be dupped into believing in tooth fairy) thus I dont believe..its easier than having to have faith in that which our senses yet are able to percieve or for which our intellect is yet albe to comprhend,,we have come a long ways as a species, but have god knows how far to go, so we sell ourselves very short having such sh | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| neighborlee | ort sided views ;) | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Not take down those who protest the issues. | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: How do you deal with those who say their religion is the only one and they will kill you if you don't agree? | Jan 02 19:33 |
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| twitter | Straw man. | Jan 02 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah. | Jan 02 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | That's hardly the case here. | Jan 02 19:34 |
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| tessier_ | I've never met a jew who didn't respect my choice in religion. Can't say the same for Muslims. Although I know they aren't all like that having dated a very nice Muslim. Of course her parents weren't happy that she was dating a heathen. :) | Jan 02 19:34 |
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| neighborlee | you deal by agreeing to disagree if even if means 30/70 or 70/30..over time as peace and trust prevail 5050 , and eventually 100 will prevail ;) | Jan 02 19:34 |
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| twitter | Racism. | Jan 02 19:35 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Here being where? Hamas in Gaza or Al Qaeda in Iraq? Because Al Qaeda in Iraq has made their position very clear. | Jan 02 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | What drives to this? | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes you need to explore what leads people to this. | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | And sometimes the reasons are legitimate | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | For exampe.. | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| twitter | People in West Bank settlements have made themselves very clear too, but they don't represent any elected government. | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | People don't 'doubt' Microsoft because they have the 'unmicrosoft' religion. | Jan 02 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | They witnessed things. | Jan 02 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | They were injured, in the business sense. | Jan 02 19:37 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Have you seen "The Road to 9/11"? Very good history of how all of this extremism came about. | Jan 02 19:37 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: The reasons are legitimate? Or it's a straw man? You can't have both. | Jan 02 19:38 |
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| twitter | Your straw man is not real. There are plenty of real wrongs to worry about. Theft, racism, ethnic cleansing and real terror. | Jan 02 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I haven't watched that, no. | Jan 02 19:41 |
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| twitter | I've read that Palestine and Lebanon were some of the most liberal societies in the middle east and that Hammas and Hezbolla were created to undermine Yasser Arrafat. | Jan 02 19:41 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Highly recommended. I think you would like it. | Jan 02 19:41 |
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| tessier_ | Wish my DVD drive weren't acting up so I could rip it. | Jan 02 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Is it on the Tube? | Jan 02 19:42 |
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| tessier_ | Not afaik | Jan 02 19:42 |
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| twitter | I have a memorex external DVD and highly recommend it. 400 Mbit Firewire and USB2. If the drive dies, I can put another one in the case. | Jan 02 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | My exposition of MS trolls gets some feedback: "Your exposure here will also help to expose this fraud and reduce his worth with his employer. Victory is assured when he receives his pink slip. " | Jan 02 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "What gets me is how these Microsoft paid astroturfers are all such ugly people. You'd think they could find someone who could be a polite troll, or at least not descend to the depths of flatfish or the ugliness of Hadron. " | Jan 02 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Their trolling would be more effective if they were well behaved, doesn't Microsoft know that? But the ugliness that we see must be coming from above, just as Abu Ghraib followed directly from Rumsfeld. They're not only ugly, they're a bunch of cowards..." | Jan 02 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some other Web sites were equally concerned by the astroturfers and now they have material with which to make convictions. | Jan 02 19:45 |
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| twitter | Let's hope they are in the 15% to be fired. I have my doubts, FUD is a core M$ function. | Jan 02 19:45 |
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| tessier_ | Do we even know the real name of flatfish? | Jan 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | The US govt. does that same :-) | Jan 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Brainwash and mindshare games. | Jan 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Coverage of the mildde east is probably biased too. | Jan 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | China for sure. | Jan 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it's Gary Stewart. Did you not see my post this morning? | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| tessier_ | no, I haven't looked today | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gar... | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| twitter | The details of tyranny are always worse than honest people can imagine. | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | I posted it there too... and he does not even deny. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin... | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| twitter | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stori... | Jan 02 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | If he attacked you, then keep this in mind... maybe there will be a class action against Microsoft one day. | Jan 02 19:48 |
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| twitter | http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2008/... | Jan 02 19:49 |
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| twitter | Saw the picture last night. Read the flatfish story this morning. | Jan 02 19:51 |
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| twitter | :) | Jan 02 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | There's more on the way. | Jan 02 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Pedants' point: | Jan 02 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | "I notice how you write about "Linux" and the "Linux kernel" interchangeably as if they're the same thing. I know that it's never your intent to spread confusion, but literally "Linux kernel" can either mean: - "Linux, the kernel" or - "the kernel of Linux" - which is a confusion often exploited by those who want to avoid giving credit to GNU as in "GNU/Linux". Please think about it." | Jan 02 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. Moderation @ http://ostatic.com/blog/desktop-android... | Jan 02 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Be aware that you feed a friend of Ballmer whose opinions are up for sale. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/23/rob-en... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/rob-en... Also see: "Rob Enderle: Putting the ‘Anal’ in ‘Analyst'" | Jan 02 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://daringfireba... | Jan 02 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | These are not the people you want to reference. They are what Microsoft has particular names for, and none of that is "analyst"." | Jan 02 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's amazing that some people still don't know who he is or what he is. | Jan 02 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | AMD Shanghai Opteron CPUs On Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&... > | Jan 02 20:09 |
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| MinceR | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/20... | Jan 02 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Bruce forged: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv... | Jan 02 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: who's that character supposed to be? The patents-obsessed goon is Gates, not Sweaty | Jan 02 20:14 |
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| MinceR | some guy from NCSoft, perhaps | Jan 02 20:15 |
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| MinceR | uh, some guy who _sued_ NCSoft | Jan 02 20:15 |
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| MinceR | probably a patent troll | Jan 02 20:15 |
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| MinceR | the strip isn't about m$, but it's about sw patents | Jan 02 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | I read that too quickly. | Jan 02 20:16 |
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| MinceR | (the creators are pretty stupid btw, but they make a nice comic) | Jan 02 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Could be Raymond Niro | Jan 02 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | But the real Ray Niro is very ugly, worse than the cartoon. | Jan 02 20:16 |
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| MinceR | (they're otherwise all to quick to drool over shoddy m$ and crApple products and berate people for actually wanting to keep some civil rights when the big companies want to take them away) | Jan 02 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | He compensated for his appearance by being an ass. http://www.engr.pitt.edu/alumni/spring0... | Jan 02 20:17 |
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| MinceR | the strip is about http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid... | Jan 02 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1153299926232 | Jan 02 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | "When the letters didn't get an immediate response, Niro sued 50 companies for patent infringement. Most of the defendants, major companies like Boeing, Clorox and BMW, settled immediately." | Jan 02 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Can people be jailed for being useless to humanity? | Jan 02 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Why You Should Delete Your MySpace Account < http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/why-yo... Why You Should Delete Your MySpace Account > "I realize that a free/libre/open source internet is still possible, but it will require us to stop supporting corporate websites such as myspace." | Jan 02 20:21 |
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| MinceR | if they could, we'd have turned most of the planet into a jail already | Jan 02 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Community service can help | Jan 02 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Give the broom to Nathan Myhrvold and the dustbin to Carl Icahn :-) | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| MinceR | if we could force SweatyBeast into work that serves the community, that would be nice | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Subjugation is very common | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Over 90% of the population seems to be in wave slavery | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| MinceR | though i'm not sure if he could ever produce the value consumed by keeping him in work and under control | Jan 02 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Merely hired to serves someone else, making hi//her rich. We are taught at school that this is normal and acceptable. | Jan 02 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: there are jobs where there are no throwable objects within reach. | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| MinceR | he still needs to be kept from escaping | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Not really. | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | it's no Hannibal | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | It can still be educated or tamed. Just watch the deposition videos | Jan 02 20:32 |
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| MinceR | he'd probably hop away if noone were to watch | Jan 02 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer must have gone through one some days/weeks ago | Jan 02 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | And then there's the scared Gates bobbing back and forth because he's busted doing the crime and he knows it. | Jan 02 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | So he no longer raised his voice like he did in other tapes | Jan 02 20:32 |
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| MinceR | was he busted already? | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | But he's rich in in the US of A if you are rich, then you are abive the law | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| MinceR | oh. | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | You can buy your freedom.. out of prison | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Even as a teenager arrested for speeding. | Jan 02 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.winajuda.ig.com.br/wp-content/... | Jan 02 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | In BN, 82.3 % of the reader so far this month use Firefox | Jan 02 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | MSIE @ 7.6 % | Jan 02 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | *readers | Jan 02 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo 'planning' to slash 200 jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0...> | Jan 02 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/02/lenovo_... "The mag said that Lenovo, which acquired IBM’s struggling PC unit for $1.25bn – as well as an assumption of debt – in 2005, plans to announce a major restructuring plan on 8 January that will include a management reshuffle." The BBC has an article about unemployment in Chian. | Jan 02 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | They are doing something wrong... how can you spend about $1500 per laptop for kids??? "The Department for Children, Schools and Families has given Norfolk County Council €£310,000 to purchase laptops for more than 400 children." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/02/ki... | Jan 02 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Bono knifes Steve Jobs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/208/... > | Jan 02 20:56 |
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| MinceR | rich people can spend any amount of money on anything :> | Jan 02 20:56 |
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| MinceR | did jobs survive? | Jan 02 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nick Farrell provokes Apple fans, as he does on an almost daily basis: "IN WHAT will be a battle between the world's smuggest giants, popular beat combo artist Bono is funding an outfit that will knife his old chum and Apple messiah Steve Jobs in the back." | Jan 02 20:57 |
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| MinceR | ... | Jan 02 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Jobs, like Arnold Steroidsnegger can afford to buy new bodyparts to serve his people in California (where Apple is) | Jan 02 20:58 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 02 20:58 |
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| MinceR | i mind the republicanism more than the steroids | Jan 02 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | He has a new advert here. | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | They promote California. | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| MinceR | anyway, i hope that after this, Palm will finally release ALP devices. | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Board meeting" is among the slogans (surfboarding, skateboards, etc.) | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| MinceR | Garnet can hardly compete with windows mobile... | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Nova? | Jan 02 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile is not the one to compete with | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's a dud, maybe dead-to-be | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| MinceR | it's one of the things to compete with | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| MinceR | what's nova? | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Androd, Crackberry and Jesusphone are the ones to beat. | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Nova = Palm's Linux-based O/S (to be released in 2009H1) | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| MinceR | i thought that was ALP | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | ACCESS? | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| MinceR | jesusphone doesn't even compete in the same category | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| MinceR | yes, Access Linux Platform | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Separate, AFAIK. | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| MinceR | and android and crackberry just aren't open enough | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | They compete as they they are stuck in 2005 | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| MinceR | well, Nova is probably good enough then | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone moves on, Palm still competes with the world in 2005... but in 2009 | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| MinceR | who moves on? | Jan 02 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | I just need it to read my data, that's all. And run my apps | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| MinceR | we're still stuck with wm, symbian, iphone and palm os 5 | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Technology moves on | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| MinceR | they all suck | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | LiMo, OHA. | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| MinceR | and there's android which could be something but turned out to suck | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's OK | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| MinceR | and the other linux-based mobile os-es have mostly yet to arrive | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine has one and he loves it | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| MinceR | FreeRunner is still pretty much just a dev phone | Jan 02 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | He wants to program for it | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| MinceR | well then he's locked into java | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | But he can't tell the difference between an OS and P/L. | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| MinceR | better enjoy it | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| *tessier_ has a freerunner | Jan 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | He's a rugby player | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| tessier_ | I need to update to the latest OS | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| MinceR | 221020 <@schestowitz> But he can't tell the difference between an OS and P/L. | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| MinceR | neither could google | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| tessier_ | I'm still not using mine on a daily basis. I need to switch over to it. | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| tessier_ | I got mine in July or so and it was pretty unusable for anything but dev. | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: Freerunner has Android | Jan 02 21:04 |
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| MinceR | but why bother with it? freerunner also has OpenMoko :) | Jan 02 21:04 |
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| tessier_ | MinceR: But OpenMoko isn't exactly usable. | Jan 02 21:04 |
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| tessier_ | My phone is important. If work calls I gotta answer. I can't have a dead phone because the power management sucks or whatever. | Jan 02 21:04 |
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| MinceR | and android isn't exactly open. | Jan 02 21:04 |
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| tessier_ | I currently carry a Motorola Z9. It's technically Linux but even more closed than Android. | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | so i'll wait | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | Tons of Java etc. | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | MinceR: I can't wait. I need a working phone. | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | i have one already | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | Although I have high hopes for openmoko. | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | a qtek 9100 | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | MinceR: openmoko? | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | oh | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | it isn't open but it mostly works | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Mostly.. | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | You would rather run a non-open but working phone than a mostly open but working android? | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | well, for a phone, it's good enough | Jan 02 21:05 |
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| MinceR | sorry, wm5 is more open than android | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| MinceR | i can run native apps | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| MinceR | android can't | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Shopping for apps | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| MinceR | i can program in several languages; for android, there's only java | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Pay per bit | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Pay per call | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| MinceR | i don't pay for apps :> | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| tessier_ | I look forward to being able to program in python on openmoko | Jan 02 21:06 |
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| tessier_ | It needs some good games too. | Jan 02 21:07 |
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| tessier_ | And I wish they didn't call it openmoko. Moko means booger in spanish so I feel really dumb saying "open booger" all the time. | Jan 02 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 02 21:17 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 02 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | I think Linpus renamed to Linplus | Jan 02 21:23 |
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| MinceR | that's an improvement | Jan 02 21:28 |
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| twitter | Google's phone is not free. According to FSF, they Tivo'd it. You can look at the source code and port it to another phone, but no substantive changes can be made to the Google phone. | Jan 02 21:28 |
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| twitter | Better to use OpenMoko if your phone company allows, otherwise keep your data off the phone network. | Jan 02 21:29 |
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| MinceR | the G1 dev phone is, though | Jan 02 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.cacert.org/2009/01/356.html | Jan 02 21:30 |
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| twitter | " how can you spend about $1500 per laptop for kids?" Administrative costs. $1,100 to purchase and distribute and inventory each $400 laptop. | Jan 02 21:31 |
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| twitter | With numbers like that, free software is compatible with graft. | Jan 02 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | RMS transcript (new): http://nb.inode.co.nz/articles/rmsrn... | Jan 02 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Way to say "happy new year": http://www.cogspace.com/blog/?p=23 (Happy Birthday, Gregorian Calendar!) | Jan 02 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | So the Earth completed another 365.something circles round itself and 'round the Sun. And meanwhile on Earth, homo sapients build hydrogen bombs that matter a lot more :-o | Jan 02 21:36 |
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| MinceR | 365.2425 | Jan 02 21:42 |
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| MinceR | (365.2425 rotations around its own axis, 1 trip around the Sun) | Jan 02 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | What happens with the leftover (leap years and all)? | Jan 02 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | I used to remember this, but there's an adjustment every now and then, no? We learned this at school. | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| MinceR | we keep the length of years inaccurately | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| MinceR | at 365 days for a while | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| MinceR | then we fix it by a leap year | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, what happens to the fragment though? | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | And after the leap year? | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| MinceR | then we start over | Jan 02 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | But you have 'carry', | Jan 02 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | So at some stage, winter can become summer and vice versa | Jan 02 21:45 |
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| MinceR | the length of the actual path travelled by the earth during our "year" is a bit shorter than a full ellipse during normal years | Jan 02 21:45 |
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| MinceR | and a bit longer during a leap year | Jan 02 21:45 |
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| MinceR | so it balances out | Jan 02 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly to the dot? | Jan 02 21:46 |
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| MinceR | well, probably not | Jan 02 21:46 |
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| MinceR | when the error grows too big, we'll probably change the calendar again | Jan 02 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| MinceR | (look up Gregorian calendar about that) | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Magic" year? | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | With February 20th? | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | 30th | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| MinceR | i think we'd change the rules of what's a leap year | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| MinceR | and that will fix it over time | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | I thin there's already a rule for this. | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC | Jan 02 21:47 |
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| MinceR | there are rules, yes | Jan 02 21:48 |
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| MinceR | but our measurement of how long a real year is might be inaccurate | Jan 02 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Like daylight savings time? | Jan 02 21:48 |
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| MinceR | also, it's probably changing | Jan 02 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Where Dubya can just declare changes? | Jan 02 21:48 |
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| MinceR | iirc there are rules like if the year is divisible by 4, it's a leap year but if it's also divisible by some other number, it isn't | Jan 02 21:49 |
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| MinceR | but if it's also divisible by yet another number then it is a leap year anyway | Jan 02 21:49 |
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| MinceR | i doubt Dubya could do it alone | Jan 02 21:49 |
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| MinceR | DST is a national thing, the calendar isn't | Jan 02 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Well, cycles are universal | Jan 02 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | The decimal system is not | Jan 02 21:51 |
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| twitter | "the G1 dev phone is, though" If the phone people end up with is not free, you might as well code for Windows Mobile. It's better not to help people who would enslave you. | Jan 02 22:15 |
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| MinceR | iirc anyone can buy the dev phone, too | Jan 02 22:15 |
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| MinceR | but i agree on the mainstream version being closed being a bad thing | Jan 02 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Like RHEL? | Jan 02 22:17 |
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| MinceR | i mean tivoized | Jan 02 22:18 |
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| MinceR | i don't know how closed RHEL is | Jan 02 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't Google use some GPLv3ed stuff? | Jan 02 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | They might be in violation | Jan 02 22:20 |
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| MinceR | as long as they don't publish it in any form, only run it, they can't be in violation | Jan 02 22:26 |
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| MinceR | oh, you mean on android? | Jan 02 22:26 |
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| MinceR | afaik they've kept GPL to the kernel and published all their kernel patches to upstream | Jan 02 22:26 |
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| MinceR | and the java stuff is their own mess | Jan 02 22:27 |
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| twitter | Every US phone that's locked like a TIvo is a GPL3 violation. Phone companies have an uncomfortable choice to make. They can give their users freedom or restrict themselves to a small shrinking GPL2 codebase and community. | Jan 02 22:29 |
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| MinceR | oh, that issue | Jan 02 22:32 |
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| MinceR | but is there GPLv3 code in the kernel already? | Jan 02 22:32 |
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| MinceR | i mean, GPLv3-only code | Jan 02 22:32 |
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| twitter | I don't know and it does not matter. They need userland stuff too, but what's important is that people don't want their work to be Tivoised. | Jan 02 22:33 |
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| twitter | Sooner or later, even Torvalds will get that and move to GPL3 | Jan 02 22:34 |
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| MinceR | they have their own userland, don't they? | Jan 02 22:34 |
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| twitter | Well sure, but it's expensive for them and they want to use free software for the same reasons we all do. | Jan 02 22:34 |
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| twitter | As more software goes GPL3, phone companies have to cooperate. | Jan 02 22:35 |
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| MinceR | as it stands, i don't know if they use GPLv3-only code | Jan 02 22:35 |
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| tessier_ | twitter: I hope he can move to gplv3 but so many different people own code in the kernel that the case can be made that you must get permission from every single one of them (thousands) to gplv3 it. | Jan 02 22:51 |
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| tessier_ | twitter: And there will be obstinate holdouts. | Jan 02 22:52 |
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| MinceR | moving important parts could be enough to break tivoization by itself | Jan 02 22:53 |
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| MinceR | hm, i'm wrong about that | Jan 02 22:53 |
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| MinceR | v3 is incompatible with v2 | Jan 02 22:53 |
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| MinceR | well, anyway, the code of the holdouts could be rewritten | Jan 02 22:53 |
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| twitter | No, you are right but userland will make tivoisation impractical before the kernel does. | Jan 02 22:54 |
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| MinceR | how's gnu userland doing in switching to v3? | Jan 02 22:54 |
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| tessier_ | GNU requires everyone sign over their contributions to the FSF | Jan 02 22:55 |
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| tessier_ | So GNU owns all of the code and it is easily relicensed. | Jan 02 22:55 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jan 02 22:55 |
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| twitter | Other projects are going GPL3 too. | Jan 02 22:55 |
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| tessier_ | MinceR: The majority of the kernel would have to be rewritten. Especially since it is hard to really tell who owns what. | Jan 02 22:56 |
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| PetoKraus | time for herd | Jan 02 22:57 |
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| PetoKraus | seriously | Jan 02 22:57 |
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| twitter | All that sounds like a lot of work for something that's not really a threat. | Jan 02 22:59 |
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| twitter | A far smaller project would be to rewrite OpenSSH, but why bother when it's already free software? | Jan 02 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | cause herd is better design | Jan 02 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) | Jan 02 22:59 |
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| PetoKraus | it just happens to be not working :P | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| twitter | Don't let me keep you from your fun. :) | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| MinceR | tessier_: i think git knows what part was written by whom | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| MinceR | git blame | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| tessier_ | Bit git has only been used recently. | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| tessier_ | But | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| MinceR | they've imported the repo of a similar vcs though | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| tessier_ | With a lot of detective work and email archives and version control it might be possible. | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: what do you mean | Jan 02 23:00 |
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| tessier_ | They used bitkeeper for a while before git | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| tessier_ | Not sure what was used before bitkeepr | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| MinceR | iirc git was written to read bitkeeper's repo | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: it IS fun :) just imagine the beautiful clusterfuck possibilites!!! | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| MinceR | i'd prefer hurd too | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| twitter | Please work on Hurd if that's what you enjoy. | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| MinceR | but it needs to mature | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| PetoKraus | it needs to work :) | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| twitter | Debian has a working implementation. Last time I looked it was not "production ready" | Jan 02 23:02 |
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| PetoKraus | yes. and the hardware support will be a bit poor | Jan 02 23:03 |
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| twitter | How to stay happy is a stupid world http://techdirt.com/articles/200... | Jan 02 23:05 |
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| twitter | Like RMS said, "I'm always happy when I'm protesting." | Jan 02 23:07 |
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| twitter | It's upgrade time. That's always cheery. | Jan 02 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Roy_B | Jan 02 23:12 |
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| Roy_B | Hey | Jan 02 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | HURD could reuse lots of bits from Linux | Jan 02 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | But some can't be relicenced as GPLv3 | Jan 02 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Where they can't, they can be rewritten. | Jan 02 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | And stuff be fit to the message-passing model | Jan 02 23:13 |
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| tessier_ | I've been using Linux for 15 years and so far I've never heard anything good about HURD. | Jan 02 23:16 |
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| tessier_ | It's message passing etc but lots of other OS's have come and gone in the time that HURD has been just around the corner. | Jan 02 23:16 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 02 23:16 |
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| twitter | here's a funny for the AlexH heckler http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01... | Jan 02 23:16 |
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| PetoKraus | it's mainly just... that last GNU piece. nonconformism and stuff | Jan 02 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Message-passing is slow; Linux is stable; why would anyone want it on a server? | Jan 02 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I saw that. The hecklers try to threaten us with libel and "horrible things will happen" all the time. | Jan 02 23:18 |
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| twitter | Hmm, I missed the threats. | Jan 02 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | The stalker of yours. | Jan 02 23:19 |
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| twitter | Oh yeah, they have been ugly lately. | Jan 02 23:20 |
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| twitter | Nothing new there. | Jan 02 23:20 |
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| twitter | With the take down of Technocrat and slow down at GL, they have more time for BN and Slashdot. | Jan 02 23:21 |
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| twitter | Slashdot has been nasty, as almost all holidays are. The trolls don't take vacations. | Jan 02 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Take down? | Jan 02 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | It was not passive. | Jan 02 23:22 |
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| Roy_B | AFAIK, Perens decided to quit -- that's all | Jan 02 23:23 |
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| twitter | He got creeped out by the trolls. | Jan 02 23:23 |
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| Roy_B | He somehow wanted to make a business out of it. | Jan 02 23:23 |
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| twitter | He wanted it to pay for editors to make better content. | Jan 02 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls? | Jan 02 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Did he say this? | Jan 02 23:24 |
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| Roy_B | Like LWN, I suppose, which is really a good site. | Jan 02 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | I saw some comments in /,. | Jan 02 23:24 |
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| Roy_B | I have the impression he didn't give it enough time to work or maybe it was just bad timing. | Jan 02 23:25 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0... | Jan 02 23:25 |
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| twitter | His message said, "Certain elements of the community that developed here, unfortunately, creep me out." | Jan 02 23:25 |
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| tessier_ | Sad but interesting story. | Jan 02 23:25 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: You saw it in comments on /.? Wow, it must be true. ;) | Jan 02 23:26 |
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| twitter | My usual stalkers had the nerve to say that I was responsible. Funny isn't it? | Jan 02 23:26 |
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| Roy_B | OK, but that's a little hard to believe. He's been around long enough. | Jan 02 23:26 |
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| twitter | The story was true, I cut and pasted it from technocrat.net | Jan 02 23:27 |
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| twitter | It's hard to tell, I did not see Perens comment on it. | Jan 02 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: someone said something that I pasted here. | Jan 02 23:28 |
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| Roy_B | Has he ever read COLA and seen what goes on there? | Jan 02 23:28 |
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| tessier_ | I don't know why anyone reads COLA. I don't know why I ever read it. | Jan 02 23:29 |
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| Roy_B | That would either freak him out immediately or steel him up. | Jan 02 23:29 |
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| Roy_B | True ... | Jan 02 23:29 |
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| twitter | Until he says anything else, I'll accept his main reasons, " This has happened because the site never achieved the ability to financially sustain its editorial staff and system expenses with its revenues." | Jan 02 23:29 |
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| Roy_B | Could be just a victim of the economy, just bad timing. | Jan 02 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Roy_B: it's a moving target | Jan 02 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | You go somewhere else, they chase you there. | Jan 02 23:30 |
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| twitter | That or that he did not give it enough attention or business method. | Jan 02 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Trust me, they are assigned to just cause trouble. | Jan 02 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | They are not only in COLA. | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | They do the same things in other sites with mutiple accounts even. | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | I just got this message 30 mins ago: | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| Roy_B | I can't see any other reason someone would keep at it for 10 years. | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | "If you are wondering about their ruthlessness, I think it is planned that way. It reminds me of organised crime, they get paid to do a job, and that job is to prevent any progress of any other product. " | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| twitter | M$ trolls are everywhere. A friend of mine compared them to the Gestapo. I recoiled at the time. | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | "The more dirty, the less it is suspected. It is all about money, and there are no rules except that one company wins, no ifs, no ands, no buts. It is a win at all costs type philosophy." | Jan 02 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | "IMHO, it is a deliberately engineered that way. This is why they tried to get Roy expelled from school, Mark's employer to take punitive measures, ad nauseum." | Jan 02 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | "This is why it is important for none of them to know the exacting specifics of one's employment. It would not surprise me if someone had already contacted Plateau Telephone in Clovis. (I left them in November 2005, it would do them no good.) " | Jan 02 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | People have their stlakers there too | Jan 02 23:32 |
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| Roy_B | Sounds familiar - like the TE rules ... | Jan 02 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | yes! | Jan 02 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | But they don't end in COLA | Jan 02 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Where the people exist and communicate, the trolls shalt roam | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| twitter | Well, all of my classmates have gotten jobs in the last year and so have many of next class. | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| Roy_B | I remember one from about 10 years ago. There was a Web site called "Boycott Microsoft". | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| Roy_B | It was by Mitch Stone. One day he gets a call from someone at a | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| twitter | I did better than many of those people and can't explain how more than a dozen good interviews have failed to land me a job. | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| Roy_B | Microsoft branch office who wants to discuss the Web site. | Jan 02 23:35 |
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| Roy_B | The caller eveidently thought the site was put up by an employee without | Jan 02 23:36 |
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| Roy_B | authorisation. | Jan 02 23:36 |
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| Roy_B | But he found out otherwise. | Jan 02 23:36 |
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| twitter | I've seen evidence of my communications being monitored and know how easy it would be to fuck up any kind of job application. | Jan 02 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Roy_B: it's almost shut down | Jan 02 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | This was discussed in IRC | Jan 02 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | he sort of moved but the links broke | Jan 02 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | It just gives 404s now. | Jan 02 23:37 |
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| Roy_B | Too bad | Jan 02 23:37 |
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| Roy_B | It was pretty dated. Hopefully there's still the Wayback machine. | Jan 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it is. | Jan 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | It still exists | Jan 02 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | But the links to it broke | Jan 02 23:38 |
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| twitter | The fact of the matter is the M$ works to destroy individuals all around the world. | Jan 02 23:44 |
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| twitter | If you write bad things about them, they will come for you. | Jan 02 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | Duh | Jan 02 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | There are example | Jan 02 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | *s | Jan 02 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | See the comments in the TE item | Jan 02 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | Some people from New Zealand spoke | Jan 02 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft smeared behind the scene (hush hush) | Jan 02 23:46 |
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| twitter | Well, that makes them very evil. | Jan 02 23:47 |
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| twitter | A global menace that should be eliminated. | Jan 02 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | I got some E-mails from large companies. They might use this. | Jan 02 23:48 |
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| twitter | I hope they do. As an individual, there's no way for me to trace back what's been done. | Jan 02 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Conversely (sort of), this might restraint Microsoft's actions. Their tactics are now known and therefore shallow | Jan 02 23:49 |
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| twitter | They should be punished for what they have done. | Jan 02 23:49 |
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| twitter | on a happier note, I discovered the kio-apt package the other day. It rocks. | Jan 02 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Is this verifiable? (CFR) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMayaeHd6I&NR=1 | Jan 02 23:53 |
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| twitter | looking | Jan 02 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not entirely familiar with the noise and the signal. | Jan 02 23:55 |
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| twitter | 79 kbs, slow Cox, slow | Jan 02 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | I sure find it curious that an editor sort of refuses to publish Microsoft criticism where it is obvious and newsworthy | Jan 02 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Either obedience, bias, or cowardice are to blame | Jan 02 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Appointments in media favour conformity. | Jan 02 23:56 |
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| twitter | Cowardice is a mistake, M$ will eliminate it's opposition no matter what they do. | Jan 02 23:56 |
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| twitter | You can't appease them, ever. | Jan 02 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's not the nature of such a business. | Jan 02 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | But the problems come from higher abive | Jan 02 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Lack of regulation for starters | Jan 02 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Those above Microsoft need Microsoft for the back doors in Windows | Jan 02 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | They also need this money Hoovers that keep the Helpless and Divided(E) with MS/NSA binaries. | Jan 02 23:59 |
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| Roy_B | Seems pretty credible to me. BTW, there's a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_F... | Jan 02 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | So be sure, the US government will boost Apple and MS by all means possible. | Jan 02 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | The American Government seems to be calling it "information wars" | Jan 02 23:59 |
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| twitter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Quigley | Jan 02 23:59 |
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