IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 2nd, 2009 - Part 2

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-01-03 09:24:20 UTC
Modified: 2009-01-03 09:24:20 UTC

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schestowitz	CNET BSing to MS	Jan 02 15:28
schestowitz	"Oh, and we almost forgot Microsoft. Not initially enthusiastic about the Netbook market because of its XP-centric nature, Microsoft seems to have also gotten the Netbook religion with Windows 7 which will be ready for Netbooks from day one. " http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-1...	Jan 02 15:28
schestowitz	No, they will have a special crippled and poor variant some time maybe in 2010	Jan 02 15:28
schestowitz	More vapourware, and peddling of this vapourware from Microsoft's 'pet' publication	Jan 02 15:29
schestowitz	'Microsoft may cut 15,000 jobs this month' < http://www.indianexpress.com/news/microsoft-... >	Jan 02 15:30
schestowitz	The Times wrote about this also	Jan 02 15:30
MinceR	XP-centric? is CNet living under a rock or something?	Jan 02 15:48
schestowitz	Of course.	Jan 02 15:50
schestowitz	SweatyB is quite a rock.	Jan 02 15:50
MinceR	moar liek a bag of lard and sweat, amirite?	Jan 02 15:51
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Axz	schestowitz, http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/01/02...	Jan 02 16:12
schestowitz	Is this blog not plagiarism?	Jan 02 16:16
schestowitz	Someone warned me yesterday.	Jan 02 16:16
schestowitz	Let me check	Jan 02 16:16
Axz	sorry plagiarism?	Jan 02 16:18
Axz	oh	Jan 02 16:18
Axz	well i'm very interested in source you got that from :D	Jan 02 16:19
Axz	Anyhow its own written content	Jan 02 16:21
schestowitz	Yeah, did you see the person who came to IRC yesterday?	Jan 02 16:23
schestowitz	Someone was not happy about that Web site	Jan 02 16:23
Axz	Its one of my authors	Jan 02 16:24
Axz	he was confused about 2th comment on the blog	Jan 02 16:24
schestowitz	LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8j2-1XgAA&...	Jan 02 16:27
schestowitz	Oh, I see...	Jan 02 16:27
Axz	lol indeed	Jan 02 16:28
Axz	that dog is gonna pwn tony hawk	Jan 02 16:29
schestowitz	Tony Dog	Jan 02 16:35
schestowitz	Vice-President of ANSOL just sent me this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/...	Jan 02 16:36
schestowitz	Analyst Says Microsoft Should Lay Off 10 Percent < http://www.crn.com/software/212700128 >	Jan 02 16:47
schestowitz	I'm accumulating evidence, that's all.	Jan 02 16:48
schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros... I ask:: According to http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ar... and http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/... , you may have committed inside-trading. Is this true?	Jan 02 16:51
schestowitz	"I know what you did last summer' :-)	Jan 02 16:52
schestowitz	ELEKS Software becomes an MS lackey: http://www.pr.com/press-release/123800	Jan 02 16:56
schestowitz	Hehe. Mitchell Ashley does not quite tell in this article that he's one of the boosters of Microsoft and he's trying to deny layoffs. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article...	Jan 02 17:02
schestowitz	Is Going Private the Best Option for a Post-Yang Yahoo? < http://seekingalpha.com/article/112517-... >	Jan 02 17:02
schestowitz	The Gralla shill is of course at it as well: http://blogs.computerworld.com/this...	Jan 02 17:05
schestowitz	"However, the donation of software should be removed from this list entirely, or at least replaced with the cost value. The marginal cost of the additional copies of each piece of donated software is mere pennies, but they claim hundreds of dollars. This is akin to stealing from taxpayers, as these are deductible as charitable donations and decrease their tax liability."	Jan 02 17:10
schestowitz	"Assuming Microsoft uses the retail value of the donated software in tallying up its donations, I totally agree with Bellingman. Joseph, do you know which value Microsoft used (retail or cost-of-goods)? I assume the IRS tells them which value to use, but using the retail value seems pretty lame."	Jan 02 17:11
schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr...	Jan 02 17:12
schestowitz	That's the best ref so far: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/microsoft...	Jan 02 17:20
schestowitz	I found 8 more to append for compelling evidence later	Jan 02 17:20
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schestowitz	SOS -- 'Save Our Stocks' < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230... > Signs of what's called "failed state (or market"	Jan 02 17:36
schestowitz	For the third day in a row today, BN gets almost 10,000 visits/day. Crazy.	Jan 02 17:39
twitter	You've got news worth reading.	Jan 02 17:40
schestowitz	I hope.	Jan 02 17:40
schestowitz	I've seen 3 articles so far that show Microsoft ridiculing UK broadband. Here is one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/...	Jan 02 17:41
schestowitz	Wow. Read the comment here! http://www.infoworld.com/art...	Jan 02 17:44
schestowitz	One person (at least) makes the mistakes of assuming FOSS didn't hurt Microsoft. No... Windows XP sold for $5 was just something they decided was the right cost... 'NOTHING' to do with GNUi/Linux.... yeah, sure..	Jan 02 17:45
MinceR	i don't see any comments	Jan 02 17:45
schestowitz	JS enabled	Jan 02 17:45
MinceR	indeed	Jan 02 17:45
schestowitz	I missed it as well, for many months	Jan 02 17:45
twitter	That's funny, M$ themselves admitted to pricing pressure on Netbooks as a reason for lower profits.	Jan 02 17:45
schestowitz	I never saw any comments for months and I thought the site was abandoned	Jan 02 17:46
MinceR	well, i guess it's trying to do something nasty that i've disabled	Jan 02 17:46
twitter	Their PR bunnies lie for them.	Jan 02 17:46
schestowitz	Then I enabled JS and voila!	Jan 02 17:46
MinceR	or it just doesn't like opera	Jan 02 17:46
schestowitz	twitter: they must. SEC filings.	Jan 02 17:46
schestowitz	If they hadn't explained a decline in revenue, they could be sued.	Jan 02 17:46
MinceR	works in ff	Jan 02 17:46
MinceR	so this isn't a webpage actually	Jan 02 17:46
schestowitz	They usually love accusing the "pirates" (those who fight Linux with $0 Windows)	Jan 02 17:46
MinceR	just like google fail and google maps aren't webapps	Jan 02 17:46
schestowitz	Read the comment at the top	Jan 02 17:47
schestowitz	Few people dare to say this in a big site, but I wholeheartedly agree.	Jan 02 17:47
schestowitz	Some professors do too.	Jan 02 17:47
schestowitz	In fact, to many execs, crimes have become a way of life, a 'norm'. They see nothing wrong with running a business on a bubble.	Jan 02 17:48
twitter	Yeah, but the bubble is popped and M$ does not have another 5 years, let alone decades to decline.	Jan 02 17:50
twitter	10 to 15% job cuts will seal the deal. There's no way they will be able to get out of the Vista hole.	Jan 02 17:50
schestowitz	New slogan:	Jan 02 17:51
schestowitz	"Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP): even a KIDDO can do it" http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2...	Jan 02 17:51
twitter	That cert and a buck might buy you a soda pop.	Jan 02 17:52
schestowitz	twitter: not true. They'll kill the losing products first	Jan 02 17:52
schestowitz	This means that core products like Office and Windows will stay; stuff like Zune might have to get the axes after this generation	Jan 02 17:52
twitter	Yeah, but their chief asset is gone. None will see them as immortal.	Jan 02 17:52
schestowitz	Microsoft Certified Professional... don't people move /AWAY/ from Microsoft? Who would need people who /memorised/ menu items?	Jan 02 17:53
twitter	Without long term credibility, people will look to alternatives like GNU/Linux that are not going anywere.	Jan 02 17:53
schestowitz	9 year old kids whose solution is to reboot the PC by press the power button or following some friendly balloons as they reinstall the OS.	Jan 02 17:54
schestowitz	*pressing	Jan 02 17:54
twitter	Most of M$'s customers grudgingly accept what vendors push because they think corruption works and that M$ will be around forever. They think they will never really have a choice.	Jan 02 17:56
twitter	A sick M$ will convince them to look elsewhere before M$ tanks.	Jan 02 17:56
Axz	yeps ^	Jan 02 17:57
MinceR	who would need people who memorise menu items anyway?	Jan 02 17:57
twitter	M$ says it's an important job skill.	Jan 02 17:58
twitter	The less money M$ has, the faster their monopoly will fail.	Jan 02 17:59
Axz	naah its matter of time the monopoly will fail anyhow	Jan 02 18:00
Axz	usage of Ubuntu is increased badly but in good sin	Jan 02 18:00
twitter	Sure, but the death spiral goes faster, it's positive feedback.	Jan 02 18:00
twitter	Without money, M$ can't bribe the press, FUD, advertise or even pretend to have new things.	Jan 02 18:01
schestowitz	MinceR: teachers	Jan 02 18:02
schestowitz	Teach the kids how to find menu items. Call it "computer classes"	Jan 02 18:03
schestowitz	I'm updating a post about the layoffs. Few minutes...	Jan 02 18:03
twitter	here's a funny. Real users, real reviews http://www.informationweek.com/news/wi...	Jan 02 18:06
twitter	At this point, I take any positive reviews as astroturf.	Jan 02 18:07
twitter	Kennedy spilled the beans on Vista 7 long ago.	Jan 02 18:07
twitter	Net Applications has another bogus stat, but the direction is right. http://www.computerworld.com/action/art...	Jan 02 18:10
twitter	It is not uncommon for US Universities have Winblows use at less than 75%.	Jan 02 18:11
twitter	a 21% Vista use is laughable.	Jan 02 18:12
schestowitz	I've just updated http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/1500... . See if you spot typos in the update	Jan 02 18:12
*schestowitz on phone		Jan 02 18:12
twitter	Why do people quote Net Applications?	Jan 02 18:12
twitter	pumping up the invincibility myth http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archi...	Jan 02 18:18
twitter	Dave Methvin, totally clueless.	Jan 02 18:20
*schestowitz back		Jan 02 18:39
tessier_	So has anyone actually been laid off from MS yet?	Jan 02 18:39
schestowitz	twitter: yes, I saw that too. Net Applications... I try to avoid these articles or omit the part that mentions it. They give credibility to it by citing it withoit looking at /methods/	Jan 02 18:39
schestowitz	tessier: yes	Jan 02 18:39
schestowitz	Wait..	Jan 02 18:39
schestowitz	See links at the bottom of: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/150...	Jan 02 18:40
schestowitz	Razorfish and FAST sacked some. They are MS subsidiaries (acquired by MS)	Jan 02 18:40
schestowitz	There are also contractors of MS that got sacked or whose contract was not renewed. No official word on that yet, but former employees seem to be talking about it.	Jan 02 18:41
schestowitz	twitter: foresaw this issue: "The president of Guyana has asked police to investigate who is impersonating him on Facebook, the social networking website." < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ameri... >	Jan 02 18:50
schestowitz	Linpus OOo version criticism @ http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/01/02/ope...	Jan 02 19:00
schestowitz	Semiconductor Sales Dropped More Sharply in November < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156258/semicondu... >	Jan 02 19:09
schestowitz	This is bad news to any software that's resource greedy. The purchases of new hardware has taken a very sharp decline.	Jan 02 19:10
schestowitz	Another one; Rumor: Microsoft to Cut 15,000 Employees this Month < http://www.dailytech.com/Rumor+Microsoft+... >	Jan 02 19:13
twitter	US manufacturing, lowest since 1948. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206010...	Jan 02 19:15
schestowitz	"The figures “confirm a sharp contraction in global investment, output and trade activity, consistent with the deepest global recession since at least the early 1980s,” said Lena Komileva, head of market economics in London at Tullet Prebon Plc."	Jan 02 19:16
schestowitz	I see the latest Net Applications BS	Jan 02 19:16
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/0...	Jan 02 19:17
twitter	It can get worse. In some places it's raining rockets and unemployment hits 80% in concentration camp. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle...	Jan 02 19:20
schestowitz	Yes, it's atrocious. Why can't they just live in peace?	Jan 02 19:24
MinceR	"Can't we all just get along?"	Jan 02 19:25
schestowitz	RMS writes a lot about it.. not as much about the deaths in Africa though, but he does occasionally mention it.	Jan 02 19:25
schestowitz	MinceR: more market share, territories, etc.	Jan 02 19:25
twitter	RMS blames Israeli extremists because they have all the power and intentionally provoke. Real peace happened nearly ten years ago, but was destroyed by assassination and intentional provocation that's been repeated since.	Jan 02 19:26
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 02 19:27
schestowitz	tessier would bed to differ	Jan 02 19:28
tessier_	RMS, being Jewish by birth but atheist by choice, is an interesting take.	Jan 02 19:28
twitter	Police stations are targeted, but it's not the first time. They have nothing and zero ability to keep public order, much less hunt down rocket makers.	Jan 02 19:28
tessier_	schestowitz: I'm not sure I would beg to differ or not. Although I do think Omar is quite far off in left field on this issue. :)	Jan 02 19:29
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 02 19:29
schestowitz	He blogged about it last night	Jan 02 19:29
schestowitz	I read his blog, so I saw it.	Jan 02 19:29
schestowitz	The UN needs to intervene properly	Jan 02 19:29
tessier_	He seemed to want to play up the number of Israeli's killed by Hamas missiles for some reason. But then he wanted to say that these unguided missiles somehow were hitting only military people and not civilians like he accuses Israel of doing.	Jan 02 19:30
schestowitz	They should have done this also before the 'war' -in- ON Iraq	Jan 02 19:30
twitter	People who try to help have been beaten and assassinated.	Jan 02 19:30
tessier_	But if the experience of the US is any example it is much more likely that Hamas is indiscriminantly targeting civilians simply due to the technology they have: unguided missiles. Whereas Israel has laser guided bombs to drop exactly where they want them.	Jan 02 19:30
schestowitz	What about bystanders?	Jan 02 19:31
tessier_	The experience of the US also suggests that this stuff is freakin' expensive and in limited supply. We only have so many laser guided bombs and Israel has even fewer.	Jan 02 19:31
twitter	Israel refuses to make peace.	Jan 02 19:31
schestowitz	If you can kill 10 criminals and one kid, should you launch?	Jan 02 19:31
tessier_	Bystanders may easily be killed but they are not the target. And the killing of bystanders has been greatly diminished by the use of laser guided bombs.	Jan 02 19:31
tessier_	schestowitz: If you have prior knowledge? Then no.	Jan 02 19:31
tessier_	schestowitz: But in many cases they don't.	Jan 02 19:31
schestowitz	twitter: probably more to do with methods	Jan 02 19:31
schestowitz	Truce would work better	Jan 02 19:32
schestowitz	Not targeted assassinations	Jan 02 19:32
twitter	It is impossible to drop a bomb on Gaza without killing innocents. It's a concentration camp.	Jan 02 19:32
schestowitz	In Iraq, they only invite more insurgents this way	Jan 02 19:32
schestowitz	So what are they achieving anyway? Just more resentment.	Jan 02 19:32
tessier_	schestowitz: The number of insurgents in Iraq seems to be decreasing.	Jan 02 19:32
twitter	People want justice. Assassinations are the way people treat wolves and other pests.	Jan 02 19:32
schestowitz	tessier: I didn't know that.	Jan 02 19:33
tessier_	Not that I'm in any way in favor of how the US has been dealing with Iraq.	Jan 02 19:33
schestowitz	They need to find the source of the issues and listen	Jan 02 19:33
neighborlee	I think people tend to fear thus not believe what they dont yet understand ;)..I fear god ( cause I dont want to be dupped into believing in tooth fairy) thus I dont believe..its easier than having to have faith in that which our senses yet are able to percieve or for which our intellect is yet albe to comprhend,,we have come a long ways as a species, but have god knows how far to go, so we sell ourselves very short having such sh	Jan 02 19:33
neighborlee	ort sided views ;)	Jan 02 19:33
schestowitz	Not take down those who protest the issues.	Jan 02 19:33
tessier_	schestowitz: How do you deal with those who say their religion is the only one and they will kill you if you don't agree?	Jan 02 19:33
twitter	Straw man.	Jan 02 19:34
schestowitz	Yeah.	Jan 02 19:34
schestowitz	That's hardly the case here.	Jan 02 19:34
tessier_	I've never met a jew who didn't respect my choice in religion. Can't say the same for Muslims. Although I know they aren't all like that having dated a very nice Muslim. Of course her parents weren't happy that she was dating a heathen. :)	Jan 02 19:34
neighborlee	you deal by agreeing to disagree if even if means 30/70 or 70/30..over time as peace and trust prevail 5050 , and eventually 100 will prevail ;)	Jan 02 19:34
twitter	Racism.	Jan 02 19:35
tessier_	schestowitz: Here being where? Hamas in Gaza or Al Qaeda in Iraq? Because Al Qaeda in Iraq has made their position very clear.	Jan 02 19:35
schestowitz	Why?	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	What drives to this?	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	Sometimes you need to explore what leads people to this.	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	And sometimes the reasons are legitimate	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	For exampe..	Jan 02 19:36
twitter	People in West Bank settlements have made themselves very clear too, but they don't represent any elected government.	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	People don't 'doubt' Microsoft because they have the 'unmicrosoft' religion.	Jan 02 19:36
schestowitz	They witnessed things.	Jan 02 19:37
schestowitz	They were injured, in the business sense.	Jan 02 19:37
tessier_	schestowitz: Have you seen "The Road to 9/11"? Very good history of how all of this extremism came about.	Jan 02 19:37
tessier_	schestowitz: The reasons are legitimate? Or it's a straw man? You can't have both.	Jan 02 19:38
twitter	Your straw man is not real. There are plenty of real wrongs to worry about. Theft, racism, ethnic cleansing and real terror.	Jan 02 19:39
schestowitz	tessier: I haven't watched that, no.	Jan 02 19:41
twitter	I've read that Palestine and Lebanon were some of the most liberal societies in the middle east and that Hammas and Hezbolla were created to undermine Yasser Arrafat.	Jan 02 19:41
tessier_	schestowitz: Highly recommended. I think you would like it.	Jan 02 19:41
tessier_	Wish my DVD drive weren't acting up so I could rip it.	Jan 02 19:42
schestowitz	Is it on the Tube?	Jan 02 19:42
tessier_	Not afaik	Jan 02 19:42
twitter	I have a memorex external DVD and highly recommend it. 400 Mbit Firewire and USB2. If the drive dies, I can put another one in the case.	Jan 02 19:43
schestowitz	My exposition of MS trolls gets some feedback: "Your exposure here will also help to expose this fraud and reduce his worth with his employer. Victory is assured when he receives his pink slip. "	Jan 02 19:44
schestowitz	"What gets me is how these Microsoft paid astroturfers are all such ugly people. You'd think they could find someone who could be a polite troll, or at least not descend to the depths of flatfish or the ugliness of Hadron. "	Jan 02 19:44
schestowitz	"Their trolling would be more effective if they were well behaved, doesn't Microsoft know that? But the ugliness that we see must be coming from above, just as Abu Ghraib followed directly from Rumsfeld. They're not only ugly, they're a bunch of cowards..."	Jan 02 19:44
schestowitz	Some other Web sites were equally concerned by the astroturfers and now they have material with which to make convictions.	Jan 02 19:45
twitter	Let's hope they are in the 15% to be fired. I have my doubts, FUD is a core M$ function.	Jan 02 19:45
tessier_	Do we even know the real name of flatfish?	Jan 02 19:46
schestowitz	The US govt. does that same :-)	Jan 02 19:46
schestowitz	Brainwash and mindshare games.	Jan 02 19:46
schestowitz	Coverage of the mildde east is probably biased too.	Jan 02 19:46
schestowitz	China for sure.	Jan 02 19:46
schestowitz	tessier: yes, it's Gary Stewart. Did you not see my post this morning?	Jan 02 19:47
tessier_	no, I haven't looked today	Jan 02 19:47
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gar...	Jan 02 19:47
twitter	The details of tyranny are always worse than honest people can imagine.	Jan 02 19:47
schestowitz	I posted it there too... and he does not even deny. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin...	Jan 02 19:47
twitter	http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stori...	Jan 02 19:48
schestowitz	If he attacked you, then keep this in mind... maybe there will be a class action against Microsoft one day.	Jan 02 19:48
twitter	http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2008/...	Jan 02 19:49
twitter	Saw the picture last night. Read the flatfish story this morning.	Jan 02 19:51
twitter	:)	Jan 02 19:51
schestowitz	There's more on the way.	Jan 02 19:52
schestowitz	Pedants' point:	Jan 02 19:52
schestowitz	"I notice how you write about "Linux" and the "Linux kernel" interchangeably as if they're the same thing. I know that it's never your intent to spread confusion, but literally "Linux kernel" can either mean: - "Linux, the kernel" or - "the kernel of Linux" - which is a confusion often exploited by those who want to avoid giving credit to GNU as in "GNU/Linux". Please think about it."	Jan 02 19:52
schestowitz	Blech. Moderation @ http://ostatic.com/blog/desktop-android...	Jan 02 19:58
schestowitz	"Be aware that you feed a friend of Ballmer whose opinions are up for sale. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/23/rob-en... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/rob-en... Also see: "Rob Enderle: Putting the ‘Anal’ in ‘Analyst'"	Jan 02 19:58
schestowitz	http://daringfireba...	Jan 02 19:58
schestowitz	These are not the people you want to reference. They are what Microsoft has particular names for, and none of that is "analyst"."	Jan 02 19:58
schestowitz	It's amazing that some people still don't know who he is or what he is.	Jan 02 19:59
schestowitz	AMD Shanghai Opteron CPUs On Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&... >	Jan 02 20:09
MinceR	http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/20...	Jan 02 20:10
schestowitz	Bruce forged: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...	Jan 02 20:13
schestowitz	MinceR: who's that character supposed to be? The patents-obsessed goon is Gates, not Sweaty	Jan 02 20:14
MinceR	some guy from NCSoft, perhaps	Jan 02 20:15
MinceR	uh, some guy who _sued_ NCSoft	Jan 02 20:15
MinceR	probably a patent troll	Jan 02 20:15
MinceR	the strip isn't about m$, but it's about sw patents	Jan 02 20:16
schestowitz	I read that too quickly.	Jan 02 20:16
MinceR	(the creators are pretty stupid btw, but they make a nice comic)	Jan 02 20:16
schestowitz	Could be Raymond Niro	Jan 02 20:16
schestowitz	But the real Ray Niro is very ugly, worse than the cartoon.	Jan 02 20:16
MinceR	(they're otherwise all to quick to drool over shoddy m$ and crApple products and berate people for actually wanting to keep some civil rights when the big companies want to take them away)	Jan 02 20:17
schestowitz	He compensated for his appearance by being an ass. http://www.engr.pitt.edu/alumni/spring0...	Jan 02 20:17
MinceR	the strip is about http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid...	Jan 02 20:18
schestowitz	http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1153299926232	Jan 02 20:19
schestowitz	"When the letters didn't get an immediate response, Niro sued 50 companies for patent infringement. Most of the defendants, major companies like Boeing, Clorox and BMW, settled immediately."	Jan 02 20:20
schestowitz	Can people be jailed for being useless to humanity?	Jan 02 20:20
schestowitz	Why You Should Delete Your MySpace Account < http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/why-yo... Why You Should Delete Your MySpace Account > "I realize that a free/libre/open source internet is still possible, but it will require us to stop supporting corporate websites such as myspace."	Jan 02 20:21
MinceR	if they could, we'd have turned most of the planet into a jail already	Jan 02 20:25
schestowitz	Community service can help	Jan 02 20:28
schestowitz	Give the broom to Nathan Myhrvold and the dustbin to Carl Icahn :-)	Jan 02 20:29
MinceR	if we could force SweatyBeast into work that serves the community, that would be nice	Jan 02 20:29
schestowitz	Subjugation is very common	Jan 02 20:29
schestowitz	Over 90% of the population seems to be in wave slavery	Jan 02 20:29
MinceR	though i'm not sure if he could ever produce the value consumed by keeping him in work and under control	Jan 02 20:30
schestowitz	Merely hired to serves someone else, making hi//her rich. We are taught at school that this is normal and acceptable.	Jan 02 20:30
schestowitz	MinceR: there are jobs where there are no throwable objects within reach.	Jan 02 20:31
MinceR	he still needs to be kept from escaping	Jan 02 20:31
schestowitz	Not really.	Jan 02 20:31
schestowitz	it's no Hannibal	Jan 02 20:31
schestowitz	It can still be educated or tamed. Just watch the deposition videos	Jan 02 20:32
MinceR	he'd probably hop away if noone were to watch	Jan 02 20:32
schestowitz	Ballmer must have gone through one some days/weeks ago	Jan 02 20:32
schestowitz	And then there's the scared Gates bobbing back and forth because he's busted doing the crime and he knows it.	Jan 02 20:32
schestowitz	So he no longer raised his voice like he did in other tapes	Jan 02 20:32
MinceR	was he busted already?	Jan 02 20:33
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 02 20:33
schestowitz	But he's rich in in the US of A if you are rich, then you are abive the law	Jan 02 20:33
MinceR	oh.	Jan 02 20:33
schestowitz	You can buy your freedom.. out of prison	Jan 02 20:33
schestowitz	Even as a teenager arrested for speeding.	Jan 02 20:33
schestowitz	http://www.winajuda.ig.com.br/wp-content/...	Jan 02 20:34
schestowitz	In BN, 82.3 % of the reader so far this month use Firefox	Jan 02 20:52
schestowitz	MSIE @ 7.6 %	Jan 02 20:52
schestowitz	*readers	Jan 02 20:52
schestowitz	Lenovo 'planning' to slash 200 jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0...>	Jan 02 20:53
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/02/lenovo_... "The mag said that Lenovo, which acquired IBM’s struggling PC unit for $1.25bn – as well as an assumption of debt – in 2005, plans to announce a major restructuring plan on 8 January that will include a management reshuffle." The BBC has an article about unemployment in Chian.	Jan 02 20:53
schestowitz	They are doing something wrong... how can you spend about $1500 per laptop for kids??? "The Department for Children, Schools and Families has given Norfolk County Council €£310,000 to purchase laptops for more than 400 children." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/02/ki...	Jan 02 20:55
schestowitz	Bono knifes Steve Jobs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/208/... >	Jan 02 20:56
MinceR	rich people can spend any amount of money on anything :>	Jan 02 20:56
MinceR	did jobs survive?	Jan 02 20:57
schestowitz	Nick Farrell provokes Apple fans, as he does on an almost daily basis: "IN WHAT will be a battle between the world's smuggest giants, popular beat combo artist Bono is funding an outfit that will knife his old chum and Apple messiah Steve Jobs in the back."	Jan 02 20:57
MinceR	...	Jan 02 20:58
schestowitz	Jobs, like Arnold Steroidsnegger can afford to buy new bodyparts to serve his people in California (where Apple is)	Jan 02 20:58
MinceR	lol	Jan 02 20:58
MinceR	i mind the republicanism more than the steroids	Jan 02 20:58
schestowitz	Yes, that too	Jan 02 20:59
schestowitz	He has a new advert here.	Jan 02 20:59
schestowitz	They promote California.	Jan 02 20:59
MinceR	anyway, i hope that after this, Palm will finally release ALP devices.	Jan 02 20:59
schestowitz	"Board meeting" is among the slogans (surfboarding, skateboards, etc.)	Jan 02 20:59
MinceR	Garnet can hardly compete with windows mobile...	Jan 02 20:59
schestowitz	Nova?	Jan 02 20:59
schestowitz	Windows Mobile is not the one to compete with	Jan 02 21:00
schestowitz	It's a dud, maybe dead-to-be	Jan 02 21:00
MinceR	it's one of the things to compete with	Jan 02 21:00
MinceR	what's nova?	Jan 02 21:00
schestowitz	Androd, Crackberry and Jesusphone are the ones to beat.	Jan 02 21:00
schestowitz	Nova = Palm's Linux-based O/S (to be released in 2009H1)	Jan 02 21:00
MinceR	i thought that was ALP	Jan 02 21:00
schestowitz	ACCESS?	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	No.	Jan 02 21:01
MinceR	jesusphone doesn't even compete in the same category	Jan 02 21:01
MinceR	yes, Access Linux Platform	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	No.	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	Separate, AFAIK.	Jan 02 21:01
MinceR	and android and crackberry just aren't open enough	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	They compete as they they are stuck in 2005	Jan 02 21:01
MinceR	well, Nova is probably good enough then	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	Everyone moves on, Palm still competes with the world in 2005... but in 2009	Jan 02 21:01
MinceR	who moves on?	Jan 02 21:01
schestowitz	I just need it to read my data, that's all. And run my apps	Jan 02 21:02
MinceR	we're still stuck with wm, symbian, iphone and palm os 5	Jan 02 21:02
schestowitz	Technology moves on	Jan 02 21:02
MinceR	they all suck	Jan 02 21:02
schestowitz	LiMo, OHA.	Jan 02 21:02
MinceR	and there's android which could be something but turned out to suck	Jan 02 21:02
schestowitz	It's OK	Jan 02 21:02
MinceR	and the other linux-based mobile os-es have mostly yet to arrive	Jan 02 21:02
schestowitz	A friend of mine has one and he loves it	Jan 02 21:02
MinceR	FreeRunner is still pretty much just a dev phone	Jan 02 21:02
schestowitz	He wants to program for it	Jan 02 21:03
MinceR	well then he's locked into java	Jan 02 21:03
schestowitz	But he can't tell the difference between an OS and P/L.	Jan 02 21:03
MinceR	better enjoy it	Jan 02 21:03
*tessier_ has a freerunner		Jan 02 21:03
schestowitz	He's a rugby player	Jan 02 21:03
tessier_	I need to update to the latest OS	Jan 02 21:03
MinceR	221020 <@schestowitz> But he can't tell the difference between an OS and P/L.	Jan 02 21:03
MinceR	neither could google	Jan 02 21:03
tessier_	I'm still not using mine on a daily basis. I need to switch over to it.	Jan 02 21:03
schestowitz	Heh.	Jan 02 21:03
tessier_	I got mine in July or so and it was pretty unusable for anything but dev.	Jan 02 21:03
schestowitz	tessier: Freerunner has Android	Jan 02 21:04
MinceR	but why bother with it? freerunner also has OpenMoko :)	Jan 02 21:04
tessier_	MinceR: But OpenMoko isn't exactly usable.	Jan 02 21:04
tessier_	My phone is important. If work calls I gotta answer. I can't have a dead phone because the power management sucks or whatever.	Jan 02 21:04
MinceR	and android isn't exactly open.	Jan 02 21:04
tessier_	I currently carry a Motorola Z9. It's technically Linux but even more closed than Android.	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	so i'll wait	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	Tons of Java etc.	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	MinceR: I can't wait. I need a working phone.	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	i have one already	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	Although I have high hopes for openmoko.	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	a qtek 9100	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	MinceR: openmoko?	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	oh	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	it isn't open but it mostly works	Jan 02 21:05
schestowitz	Mostly..	Jan 02 21:05
tessier_	You would rather run a non-open but working phone than a mostly open but working android?	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	well, for a phone, it's good enough	Jan 02 21:05
MinceR	sorry, wm5 is more open than android	Jan 02 21:06
MinceR	i can run native apps	Jan 02 21:06
MinceR	android can't	Jan 02 21:06
schestowitz	Shopping for apps	Jan 02 21:06
MinceR	i can program in several languages; for android, there's only java	Jan 02 21:06
schestowitz	Pay per bit	Jan 02 21:06
schestowitz	Pay per call	Jan 02 21:06
MinceR	i don't pay for apps :>	Jan 02 21:06
tessier_	I look forward to being able to program in python on openmoko	Jan 02 21:06
tessier_	It needs some good games too.	Jan 02 21:07
tessier_	And I wish they didn't call it openmoko. Moko means booger in spanish so I feel really dumb saying "open booger" all the time.	Jan 02 21:07
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 02 21:17
MinceR	lol	Jan 02 21:21
schestowitz	I think Linpus renamed to Linplus	Jan 02 21:23
MinceR	that's an improvement	Jan 02 21:28
twitter	Google's phone is not free. According to FSF, they Tivo'd it. You can look at the source code and port it to another phone, but no substantive changes can be made to the Google phone.	Jan 02 21:28
twitter	Better to use OpenMoko if your phone company allows, otherwise keep your data off the phone network.	Jan 02 21:29
MinceR	the G1 dev phone is, though	Jan 02 21:29
schestowitz	http://blog.cacert.org/2009/01/356.html	Jan 02 21:30
twitter	" how can you spend about $1500 per laptop for kids?" Administrative costs. $1,100 to purchase and distribute and inventory each $400 laptop.	Jan 02 21:31
twitter	With numbers like that, free software is compatible with graft.	Jan 02 21:31
schestowitz	RMS transcript (new): http://nb.inode.co.nz/articles/rmsrn...	Jan 02 21:31
schestowitz	Way to say "happy new year": http://www.cogspace.com/blog/?p=23 (Happy Birthday, Gregorian Calendar!)	Jan 02 21:32
schestowitz	So the Earth completed another 365.something circles round itself and 'round the Sun. And meanwhile on Earth, homo sapients build hydrogen bombs that matter a lot more :-o	Jan 02 21:36
MinceR	365.2425	Jan 02 21:42
MinceR	(365.2425 rotations around its own axis, 1 trip around the Sun)	Jan 02 21:43
schestowitz	What happens with the leftover (leap years and all)?	Jan 02 21:43
schestowitz	I used to remember this, but there's an adjustment every now and then, no? We learned this at school.	Jan 02 21:44
MinceR	we keep the length of years inaccurately	Jan 02 21:44
MinceR	at 365 days for a while	Jan 02 21:44
MinceR	then we fix it by a leap year	Jan 02 21:44
schestowitz	Yes, what happens to the fragment though?	Jan 02 21:44
schestowitz	And after the leap year?	Jan 02 21:44
MinceR	then we start over	Jan 02 21:44
schestowitz	But you have 'carry',	Jan 02 21:45
schestowitz	So at some stage, winter can become summer and vice versa	Jan 02 21:45
MinceR	the length of the actual path travelled by the earth during our "year" is a bit shorter than a full ellipse during normal years	Jan 02 21:45
MinceR	and a bit longer during a leap year	Jan 02 21:45
MinceR	so it balances out	Jan 02 21:45
schestowitz	Exactly to the dot?	Jan 02 21:46
MinceR	well, probably not	Jan 02 21:46
MinceR	when the error grows too big, we'll probably change the calendar again	Jan 02 21:46
schestowitz	Heh.	Jan 02 21:47
MinceR	(look up Gregorian calendar about that)	Jan 02 21:47
schestowitz	"Magic" year?	Jan 02 21:47
schestowitz	With February 20th?	Jan 02 21:47
schestowitz	30th	Jan 02 21:47
MinceR	i think we'd change the rules of what's a leap year	Jan 02 21:47
MinceR	and that will fix it over time	Jan 02 21:47
schestowitz	I thin there's already a rule for this.	Jan 02 21:47
schestowitz	IIRC	Jan 02 21:47
MinceR	there are rules, yes	Jan 02 21:48
MinceR	but our measurement of how long a real year is might be inaccurate	Jan 02 21:48
schestowitz	Like daylight savings time?	Jan 02 21:48
MinceR	also, it's probably changing	Jan 02 21:48
schestowitz	Where Dubya can just declare changes?	Jan 02 21:48
MinceR	iirc there are rules like if the year is divisible by 4, it's a leap year but if it's also divisible by some other number, it isn't	Jan 02 21:49
MinceR	but if it's also divisible by yet another number then it is a leap year anyway	Jan 02 21:49
MinceR	i doubt Dubya could do it alone	Jan 02 21:49
MinceR	DST is a national thing, the calendar isn't	Jan 02 21:49
schestowitz	Well, cycles are universal	Jan 02 21:50
schestowitz	The decimal system is not	Jan 02 21:51
twitter	"the G1 dev phone is, though" If the phone people end up with is not free, you might as well code for Windows Mobile. It's better not to help people who would enslave you.	Jan 02 22:15
MinceR	iirc anyone can buy the dev phone, too	Jan 02 22:15
MinceR	but i agree on the mainstream version being closed being a bad thing	Jan 02 22:16
schestowitz	Like RHEL?	Jan 02 22:17
MinceR	i mean tivoized	Jan 02 22:18
MinceR	i don't know how closed RHEL is	Jan 02 22:18
schestowitz	Doesn't Google use some GPLv3ed stuff?	Jan 02 22:19
schestowitz	They might be in violation	Jan 02 22:20
MinceR	as long as they don't publish it in any form, only run it, they can't be in violation	Jan 02 22:26
MinceR	oh, you mean on android?	Jan 02 22:26
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MinceR	afaik they've kept GPL to the kernel and published all their kernel patches to upstream	Jan 02 22:26
MinceR	and the java stuff is their own mess	Jan 02 22:27
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twitter	Every US phone that's locked like a TIvo is a GPL3 violation. Phone companies have an uncomfortable choice to make. They can give their users freedom or restrict themselves to a small shrinking GPL2 codebase and community.	Jan 02 22:29
MinceR	oh, that issue	Jan 02 22:32
MinceR	but is there GPLv3 code in the kernel already?	Jan 02 22:32
MinceR	i mean, GPLv3-only code	Jan 02 22:32
twitter	I don't know and it does not matter. They need userland stuff too, but what's important is that people don't want their work to be Tivoised.	Jan 02 22:33
twitter	Sooner or later, even Torvalds will get that and move to GPL3	Jan 02 22:34
MinceR	they have their own userland, don't they?	Jan 02 22:34
twitter	Well sure, but it's expensive for them and they want to use free software for the same reasons we all do.	Jan 02 22:34
twitter	As more software goes GPL3, phone companies have to cooperate.	Jan 02 22:35
MinceR	as it stands, i don't know if they use GPLv3-only code	Jan 02 22:35
tessier_	twitter: I hope he can move to gplv3 but so many different people own code in the kernel that the case can be made that you must get permission from every single one of them (thousands) to gplv3 it.	Jan 02 22:51
tessier_	twitter: And there will be obstinate holdouts.	Jan 02 22:52
MinceR	moving important parts could be enough to break tivoization by itself	Jan 02 22:53
MinceR	hm, i'm wrong about that	Jan 02 22:53
MinceR	v3 is incompatible with v2	Jan 02 22:53
MinceR	well, anyway, the code of the holdouts could be rewritten	Jan 02 22:53
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twitter	No, you are right but userland will make tivoisation impractical before the kernel does.	Jan 02 22:54
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MinceR	how's gnu userland doing in switching to v3?	Jan 02 22:54
tessier_	GNU requires everyone sign over their contributions to the FSF	Jan 02 22:55
tessier_	So GNU owns all of the code and it is easily relicensed.	Jan 02 22:55
MinceR	ic	Jan 02 22:55
twitter	Other projects are going GPL3 too.	Jan 02 22:55
tessier_	MinceR: The majority of the kernel would have to be rewritten. Especially since it is hard to really tell who owns what.	Jan 02 22:56
PetoKraus	time for herd	Jan 02 22:57
PetoKraus	seriously	Jan 02 22:57
twitter	All that sounds like a lot of work for something that's not really a threat.	Jan 02 22:59
twitter	A far smaller project would be to rewrite OpenSSH, but why bother when it's already free software?	Jan 02 22:59
PetoKraus	cause herd is better design	Jan 02 22:59
PetoKraus	;)	Jan 02 22:59
PetoKraus	it just happens to be not working :P	Jan 02 23:00
twitter	Don't let me keep you from your fun. :)	Jan 02 23:00
MinceR	tessier_: i think git knows what part was written by whom	Jan 02 23:00
MinceR	git blame	Jan 02 23:00
tessier_	Bit git has only been used recently.	Jan 02 23:00
tessier_	But	Jan 02 23:00
MinceR	they've imported the repo of a similar vcs though	Jan 02 23:00
tessier_	With a lot of detective work and email archives and version control it might be possible.	Jan 02 23:00
PetoKraus	twitter: what do you mean	Jan 02 23:00
tessier_	They used bitkeeper for a while before git	Jan 02 23:01
tessier_	Not sure what was used before bitkeepr	Jan 02 23:01
MinceR	iirc git was written to read bitkeeper's repo	Jan 02 23:01
PetoKraus	twitter: it IS fun :) just imagine the beautiful clusterfuck possibilites!!!	Jan 02 23:01
MinceR	i'd prefer hurd too	Jan 02 23:01
twitter	Please work on Hurd if that's what you enjoy.	Jan 02 23:01
MinceR	but it needs to mature	Jan 02 23:01
PetoKraus	it needs to work :)	Jan 02 23:01
twitter	Debian has a working implementation. Last time I looked it was not "production ready"	Jan 02 23:02
PetoKraus	yes. and the hardware support will be a bit poor	Jan 02 23:03
twitter	How to stay happy is a stupid world http://techdirt.com/articles/200...	Jan 02 23:05
twitter	Like RMS said, "I'm always happy when I'm protesting."	Jan 02 23:07
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twitter	It's upgrade time. That's always cheery.	Jan 02 23:09
schestowitz	Hey, Roy_B	Jan 02 23:12
Roy_B	Hey	Jan 02 23:13
schestowitz	HURD could reuse lots of bits from Linux	Jan 02 23:13
schestowitz	But some can't be relicenced as GPLv3	Jan 02 23:13
schestowitz	Where they can't, they can be rewritten.	Jan 02 23:13
schestowitz	And stuff be fit to the message-passing model	Jan 02 23:13
tessier_	I've been using Linux for 15 years and so far I've never heard anything good about HURD.	Jan 02 23:16
tessier_	It's message passing etc but lots of other OS's have come and gone in the time that HURD has been just around the corner.	Jan 02 23:16
PetoKraus	yeah	Jan 02 23:16
twitter	here's a funny for the AlexH heckler http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01...	Jan 02 23:16
PetoKraus	it's mainly just... that last GNU piece. nonconformism and stuff	Jan 02 23:17
schestowitz	Message-passing is slow; Linux is stable; why would anyone want it on a server?	Jan 02 23:18
schestowitz	twitter: yes, I saw that. The hecklers try to threaten us with libel and "horrible things will happen" all the time.	Jan 02 23:18
twitter	Hmm, I missed the threats.	Jan 02 23:19
schestowitz	The stalker of yours.	Jan 02 23:19
twitter	Oh yeah, they have been ugly lately.	Jan 02 23:20
twitter	Nothing new there.	Jan 02 23:20
twitter	With the take down of Technocrat and slow down at GL, they have more time for BN and Slashdot.	Jan 02 23:21
twitter	Slashdot has been nasty, as almost all holidays are. The trolls don't take vacations.	Jan 02 23:21
schestowitz	Take down?	Jan 02 23:22
schestowitz	It was not passive.	Jan 02 23:22
Roy_B	AFAIK, Perens decided to quit -- that's all	Jan 02 23:23
twitter	He got creeped out by the trolls.	Jan 02 23:23
Roy_B	He somehow wanted to make a business out of it.	Jan 02 23:23
twitter	He wanted it to pay for editors to make better content.	Jan 02 23:24
schestowitz	Trolls?	Jan 02 23:24
schestowitz	Did he say this?	Jan 02 23:24
Roy_B	Like LWN, I suppose, which is really a good site.	Jan 02 23:24
schestowitz	I saw some comments in /,.	Jan 02 23:24
Roy_B	I have the impression he didn't give it enough time to work or maybe it was just bad timing.	Jan 02 23:25
tessier_	http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0...	Jan 02 23:25
twitter	His message said, "Certain elements of the community that developed here, unfortunately, creep me out."	Jan 02 23:25
tessier_	Sad but interesting story.	Jan 02 23:25
tessier_	schestowitz: You saw it in comments on /.? Wow, it must be true. ;)	Jan 02 23:26
twitter	My usual stalkers had the nerve to say that I was responsible. Funny isn't it?	Jan 02 23:26
Roy_B	OK, but that's a little hard to believe. He's been around long enough.	Jan 02 23:26
twitter	The story was true, I cut and pasted it from technocrat.net	Jan 02 23:27
twitter	It's hard to tell, I did not see Perens comment on it.	Jan 02 23:27
schestowitz	twitter: someone said something that I pasted here.	Jan 02 23:28
Roy_B	Has he ever read COLA and seen what goes on there?	Jan 02 23:28
tessier_	I don't know why anyone reads COLA. I don't know why I ever read it.	Jan 02 23:29
Roy_B	That would either freak him out immediately or steel him up.	Jan 02 23:29
Roy_B	True ...	Jan 02 23:29
twitter	Until he says anything else, I'll accept his main reasons, " This has happened because the site never achieved the ability to financially sustain its editorial staff and system expenses with its revenues."	Jan 02 23:29
Roy_B	Could be just a victim of the economy, just bad timing.	Jan 02 23:30
schestowitz	Roy_B: it's a moving target	Jan 02 23:30
schestowitz	You go somewhere else, they chase you there.	Jan 02 23:30
twitter	That or that he did not give it enough attention or business method.	Jan 02 23:30
schestowitz	Trust me, they are assigned to just cause trouble.	Jan 02 23:30
schestowitz	They are not only in COLA.	Jan 02 23:31
schestowitz	They do the same things in other sites with mutiple accounts even.	Jan 02 23:31
schestowitz	I just got this message 30 mins ago:	Jan 02 23:31
Roy_B	I can't see any other reason someone would keep at it for 10 years.	Jan 02 23:31
schestowitz	"If you are wondering about their ruthlessness, I think it is planned that way. It reminds me of organised crime, they get paid to do a job, and that job is to prevent any progress of any other product. "	Jan 02 23:31
twitter	M$ trolls are everywhere. A friend of mine compared them to the Gestapo. I recoiled at the time.	Jan 02 23:31
schestowitz	"The more dirty, the less it is suspected. It is all about money, and there are no rules except that one company wins, no ifs, no ands, no buts. It is a win at all costs type philosophy."	Jan 02 23:31
schestowitz	"IMHO, it is a deliberately engineered that way. This is why they tried to get Roy expelled from school, Mark's employer to take punitive measures, ad nauseum."	Jan 02 23:32
schestowitz	"This is why it is important for none of them to know the exacting specifics of one's employment. It would not surprise me if someone had already contacted Plateau Telephone in Clovis. (I left them in November 2005, it would do them no good.) "	Jan 02 23:32
schestowitz	People have their stlakers there too	Jan 02 23:32
Roy_B	Sounds familiar - like the TE rules ...	Jan 02 23:33
schestowitz	yes!	Jan 02 23:34
schestowitz	But they don't end in COLA	Jan 02 23:34
schestowitz	Where the people exist and communicate, the trolls shalt roam	Jan 02 23:35
twitter	Well, all of my classmates have gotten jobs in the last year and so have many of next class.	Jan 02 23:35
Roy_B	I remember one from about 10 years ago. There was a Web site called "Boycott Microsoft".	Jan 02 23:35
Roy_B	It was by Mitch Stone. One day he gets a call from someone at a	Jan 02 23:35
twitter	I did better than many of those people and can't explain how more than a dozen good interviews have failed to land me a job.	Jan 02 23:35
Roy_B	Microsoft branch office who wants to discuss the Web site.	Jan 02 23:35
Roy_B	The caller eveidently thought the site was put up by an employee without	Jan 02 23:36
Roy_B	authorisation.	Jan 02 23:36
Roy_B	But he found out otherwise.	Jan 02 23:36
twitter	I've seen evidence of my communications being monitored and know how easy it would be to fuck up any kind of job application.	Jan 02 23:36
schestowitz	Roy_B: it's almost shut down	Jan 02 23:37
schestowitz	This was discussed in IRC	Jan 02 23:37
schestowitz	he sort of moved but the links broke	Jan 02 23:37
schestowitz	It just gives 404s now.	Jan 02 23:37
Roy_B	Too bad	Jan 02 23:37
Roy_B	It was pretty dated. Hopefully there's still the Wayback machine.	Jan 02 23:38
schestowitz	Yes, it is.	Jan 02 23:38
schestowitz	It still exists	Jan 02 23:38
schestowitz	But the links to it broke	Jan 02 23:38
twitter	The fact of the matter is the M$ works to destroy individuals all around the world.	Jan 02 23:44
twitter	If you write bad things about them, they will come for you.	Jan 02 23:45
schestowitz	Duh	Jan 02 23:45
schestowitz	There are example	Jan 02 23:45
schestowitz	*s	Jan 02 23:45
schestowitz	See the comments in the TE item	Jan 02 23:45
schestowitz	Some people from New Zealand spoke	Jan 02 23:46
schestowitz	Microsoft smeared behind the scene (hush hush)	Jan 02 23:46
twitter	Well, that makes them very evil.	Jan 02 23:47
twitter	A global menace that should be eliminated.	Jan 02 23:47
schestowitz	I got some E-mails from large companies. They might use this.	Jan 02 23:48
twitter	I hope they do. As an individual, there's no way for me to trace back what's been done.	Jan 02 23:49
schestowitz	Conversely (sort of), this might restraint Microsoft's actions. Their tactics are now known and therefore shallow	Jan 02 23:49
twitter	They should be punished for what they have done.	Jan 02 23:49
twitter	on a happier note, I discovered the kio-apt package the other day. It rocks.	Jan 02 23:53
schestowitz	Is this verifiable? (CFR) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMayaeHd6I&NR=1	Jan 02 23:53
twitter	looking	Jan 02 23:54
schestowitz	I'm not entirely familiar with the noise and the signal.	Jan 02 23:55
twitter	79 kbs, slow Cox, slow	Jan 02 23:55
schestowitz	I sure find it curious that an editor sort of refuses to publish Microsoft criticism where it is obvious and newsworthy	Jan 02 23:56
schestowitz	Either obedience, bias, or cowardice are to blame	Jan 02 23:56
schestowitz	Appointments in media favour conformity.	Jan 02 23:56
twitter	Cowardice is a mistake, M$ will eliminate it's opposition no matter what they do.	Jan 02 23:56
twitter	You can't appease them, ever.	Jan 02 23:57
schestowitz	That's not the nature of such a business.	Jan 02 23:58
schestowitz	But the problems come from higher abive	Jan 02 23:58
schestowitz	Lack of regulation for starters	Jan 02 23:58
schestowitz	Those above Microsoft need Microsoft for the back doors in Windows	Jan 02 23:58
schestowitz	They also need this money Hoovers that keep the Helpless and Divided(E) with MS/NSA binaries.	Jan 02 23:59
Roy_B	Seems pretty credible to me. BTW, there's a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_F...	Jan 02 23:59
schestowitz	So be sure, the US government will boost Apple and MS by all means possible.	Jan 02 23:59
schestowitz	The American Government seems to be calling it "information wars"	Jan 02 23:59
twitter	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Quigley	Jan 02 23:59

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