| schestowitz | Excellent. It has HTMl formatting. | Jan 11 00:00 |
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| ushimitsudoki | the "delay win7 beta to drum up interest" seems to be working ... it got it on the front page of /. | Jan 11 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Slashdot is not a sane site. | Jan 11 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | It is -- for a verifiable and confirmed fact - being manipulated by Microsoft marketing firms/people/adffiliates | Jan 11 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Funny typo there (accident). adffiliates :-) Freudian slip? | Jan 11 00:18 |
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| ushimitsudoki | well i think we are seeing the first wave of talking points for win7: "Windows 7 isn't Vista, it's what Vista should always have been." | Jan 11 00:19 |
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| ushimitsudoki | They've got to position Win7 as not-Vista, but at the same time better-Vista | Jan 11 00:20 |
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| ushimitsudoki | it will probably mature, but i expect to see that as a common refrain | Jan 11 00:20 |
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| MinceR | well, as much as a m$ product matures :> | Jan 11 00:21 |
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| ushimitsudoki | no no i mean the talking points mature | Jan 11 00:22 |
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| ushimitsudoki | not the product :) | Jan 11 00:22 |
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| MinceR | :D | Jan 11 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Vista circa 2006 all over again | Jan 11 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | Let me post my stuff prematurely. | Jan 11 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Help me spot typos, please :-) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/v... | Jan 11 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still editing it, so tell me if you see typos and ugly stuff. | Jan 11 00:24 |
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| ushimitsudoki | How much time passed between XP launch and Vista launch? How much time has passed since Vista to Win7? That right there should point to the fact that Win7 is basically Vista SP2. | Jan 11 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | It is | Jan 11 00:29 |
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| twitter | Kennedy did detailed tests to see that is true. | Jan 11 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | Allchin said in 2006 that XP SP1 and SP2 should have been separate OSes | Jan 11 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | He regretted this | Jan 11 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | I think he told this to Mary Jo Foley, but I can't tell for sure if she only /wrote/ about it as opposed to speaking to him. | Jan 11 00:30 |
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| twitter | but that would have made XP a failure | Jan 11 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: see if you spot typos because it was posted in a rush: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/... | Jan 11 00:30 |
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| twitter | XP did not gain more than 50% M$ market share for years | Jan 11 00:30 |
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| twitter | ok | Jan 11 00:30 |
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| ushimitsudoki | and MS already flirted with just straight up name change as the "Mojave" experiment or whatever - they realize a few changes and a little new paint and name change will go a long way in public perception | Jan 11 00:31 |
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| MinceR | like XP :> | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | True. | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | They go back to "Windows" | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | With numbers on it | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Not like "ME" or "NT" | Jan 11 00:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | how about things that are the same in Vista/Win7 and things that were promised for Vista that got cut and still won't be in Win7 | Jan 11 00:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | more indicators that Win7 == Vista SP2 | Jan 11 00:34 |
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| twitter | " This bogus ‘crisis’ and the phony hype were created also owing to screenshots of Microsoft’s guerrilla marketing blog. " - I don't know what that means. I don't get the scarcity bit. | Jan 11 00:35 |
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| twitter | Don't they have their usual beta program in place, where you can go sign your life away and download the POS? | Jan 11 00:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah, but they said "demand" caused them to delay availablilty | Jan 11 00:36 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that's the "false scarcity" bit | Jan 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: did you see Glyn's post? | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki | it could be cleared up in the article on BN | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki | cleaned up | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Like gold or diamond | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Gold Rush was hilarious... people wasting their lives because of perceived value of some useless material. | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki | "were create also owning to" -> "were created in accordance with" something like that | Jan 11 00:37 |
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| twitter | OK, but you might want to explain the delay bit for people like me, who don't know about the beta | Jan 11 00:38 |
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| twitter | or the delay | Jan 11 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Done. | Jan 11 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Does the first ref not say this? | Jan 11 00:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | "(technically (Windows 6.1)" | Jan 11 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | I guess it's all malstructured. I did it too quickly. | Jan 11 00:39 |
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| ushimitsudoki | come on! match your braces up you non-coder | Jan 11 00:39 |
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| twitter | the first ref does not mention this | Jan 11 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I see it in HTML with tag clutters | Jan 11 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | *clutter | Jan 11 00:40 |
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| ushimitsudoki | :) | Jan 11 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | (technically Windows 6.1) | Jan 11 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's better when I edit this in Kate | Jan 11 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | It matches brackets, being a dev editor | Jan 11 00:41 |
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| twitter | It might be better to put the main story stuff up in the first paragraph. The name change Mojave trick and the fake scarcity as part of a floundering hype wave. | Jan 11 00:42 |
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| twitter | There's no evidence outside the Wintel press people want this turd is there? | Jan 11 00:42 |
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| twitter | besides the jaw on the floor, "I can't believe they suck so bad" kind of want | Jan 11 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Well, I don't want to spend too much time on this. | Jan 11 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | We'll have another chance. | Jan 11 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | I'll go through some V7 stuff tomorrow. | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| ushimitsudoki | well i've got to think there's some anxiety in businesses. many windows-based users probably nervously planned on skipping *1* version of windows. I don't think they will be so secure about skipping *2* versions | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| twitter | My wife saw a Mojave advertisement and was floored. First off, she thought it was pathetic as an add. Second, she could not believe M$ could not do any better. | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that's an interesting angle here | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | CDC director Gerberding resigns at Obama’s request < http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/storie... > | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| twitter | It's the killer angle. | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| ushimitsudoki | because of that, I think Win7 will be much more of a "forced upgrade" than Vista was | Jan 11 00:45 |
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| twitter | The fact of the matter is that M$ is broken. They took six years to foist Vista on the world, it's not going to get better as their cash runs out. | Jan 11 00:45 |
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| twitter | They can't force it. Trying put their channel partners out of business. | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | They can't | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | No reason to. | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | For businesses that is | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| ushimitsudoki | there is that - but i would say the "brains" running out is more important. There was a point once where the "smart kids" wanted to work for MS - I don't think it has that prestige anymore | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| twitter | ComUSA, Circuit City and now Best Buy ... | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | The depression will be killing them too because h/w upgrades are out of the question to many. | Jan 11 00:46 |
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| twitter | They are, in part, responsible for the depression. | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 is typically tested on high-end machines, by design. | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| twitter | They promise it will work on Netbooks, ha ha. | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will probably miss expectations on the 22nd | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | So the layoffs might be announced just before or around the same time. | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| ushimitsudoki | They are going to try hard to get it on notebooks - linux is doing too well in that area to leave it alone | Jan 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, they won't | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | They'll have a SEPARATE edition for sub-notebooks | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| ushimitsudoki | people get used to linux on their little machines, they just might give it a try on the big one | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | That will be something different. | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | FisherPrice 7 | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's not the main point | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| twitter | If that separate edition has DRM, it's doomed. | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| MinceR | is that like FisherPrice OS X? :> | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can sell Win for sub-notebooks, BUT | Jan 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | It makes almost no money on it | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | At $5 apiece it's just a miserable attempt to stay afloat | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | Notebooks like these hardly run something bloated like MSO07 | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | Or 09 | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I bet Apple knows exactly how useful iPod/iPhone are for getting new mac users. I bet it's not a real high number, but every little bit counts ... same thing for Linux/netbooks | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | :-) They'll try to push them to the Web-based junk (Silver Lie) | Jan 11 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple's is 10 (X), not 7 | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| MinceR | it's still a toy | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | At the age of 10 people can only use one button | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| MinceR | i've watched Pirates of the Silicon Valley | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Slackware 12 gives config files. | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| MinceR | the nasty things they've done have been scaled down massively, but it was still interesting to watch | Jan 11 00:50 |
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| twitter | my 7 year old is comfortable with three buttons and a scroll. :-D | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| MinceR | your 7 year old has already surpassed the mental capacity of an average apple user | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | WHy not just a wheel? | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | A la Onion parody | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| MinceR | (not that it's a grand achievement) | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| MinceR | the wheel might be too advanced for users | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| MinceR | i propose simplifying the interface | Jan 11 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Straw?> | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | i was thinking of a Computer(tm) without any input devices | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | or ports | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| twitter | Another issue with the article is that Vista actually go worse when it was released. They took out XP drivers on purpose and did a few other things to break it. | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | or output devices | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Think Different(C) | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | or anything at all | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| twitter | The Beta test was actually better than the released OS. | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Many people thought differently | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| twitter | That can be the case here too. | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | just a slab of shiny white plastic with an Apple logo engraved into it | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Even Stalin. | Jan 11 00:52 |
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| MinceR | apple is more like Don't Think(tm). | Jan 11 00:53 |
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| twitter | oh well, those are my observations. | Jan 11 00:53 |
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| twitter | typo ? sympathisers -> sympathizers | Jan 11 00:54 |
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| MinceR | i think the former is UK spelling and the latter is US. | Jan 11 00:55 |
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| twitter | "via de WGA scheme." sic | Jan 11 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: where? | Jan 11 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | In the citation? | Jan 11 00:57 |
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| twitter | First blockquote, last bullet point | Jan 11 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, but it's a quote | Jan 11 00:57 |
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| twitter | yeah, sic | Jan 11 00:57 |
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| twitter | fun stuff. | Jan 11 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | People like myself but esp. others are pissed off when American editors change our writings to AmericaniZed Engrish [sic] | Jan 11 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Like.. you know... they force wrong spellings upon others, because they can.. and new de facto standards are set this way | Jan 11 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | kentma knows the feeling | Jan 11 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | So does [H]omer | Jan 11 00:59 |
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| twitter | Sorry, that's what my dictionary does and I don't know any better. Notice that I asked instead of told. | Jan 11 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know :-) | Jan 11 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | I'm laughing, not resenting. | Jan 11 01:00 |
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| twitter | Well, I'm off to dinner. bbl | Jan 11 01:01 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 11 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting comment: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_t... Instead of MS making its O/S thin they try to make OEMs make their machines fat (for Vista/7) | Jan 11 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some OEMs and Intel must love it... price-fixing again. Can't have anything cheap | Jan 11 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Digital Tipping Point misfit: http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv255_o... | Jan 11 03:01 |
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| jeremy__ | hello all | Jan 11 03:18 |
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| jeremy__ | FUD from the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/bu... | Jan 11 03:19 |
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| *jeremy__ is now known as Eruaran | Jan 11 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 11 03:20 |
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| schestowitz | ASHLEE VANCE | Jan 11 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | From the Reg | Jan 11 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this earlier | Jan 11 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | He loves trolling every now and then, but all in all, he's not too malicious. | Jan 11 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | I see... well, it's his writing style all right :-) | Jan 11 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's 3:23 AM here. Catch you in the morning | Jan 11 03:23 |
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| Eruaran | ok cya | Jan 11 03:23 |
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| twitter | "hapless pests" "people capable of overthrowing Windows" "controversial" "software mercenaries [unflattering description]" "undermine Microsoft's Windows [$17 billion in sales]" | Jan 11 03:37 |
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| twitter | what an ass. | Jan 11 03:37 |
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| twitter | Why not describe them as people offering their time and energy to provide you software others demand hundreds of dollars and strict obedience to obnoxious rules to have? | Jan 11 03:38 |
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| Eruaran | And his description of updates on Linux is simply false. | Jan 11 03:39 |
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| Eruaran | It a description that fits Windows. | Jan 11 03:39 |
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| twitter | The fight is to deliver software freedom. M$ will die as a consequence if they don't join the free software game, and they have been convicted of various crimes the we should demand restitution for. | Jan 11 03:40 |
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| twitter | "Try as they might, however, Linux zealots have failed in their quest to make Linux mainstream on desktop and notebook computers. The often quirky software remains in the realm of geeks, not grandmothers." Zealots, like my wife and 7 year old daughter? | Jan 11 03:44 |
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| twitter | How twisted the cult of Micro$oftolgy is to imagine there can only be one OS on desktops and that it must be one as crass and failure prone as Windows. | Jan 11 03:45 |
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| Eruaran | Its pretty bad | Jan 11 03:48 |
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| Eruaran | I had a pretty bad experience recently on Introversions forums. | Jan 11 03:48 |
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| Eruaran | I wont be going back there again. | Jan 11 03:48 |
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| Eruaran | Last year I was interested in Introversions Multiwinia game and finding out when it will be available for GNU/Linux (the Linux version is in the works). | Jan 11 03:49 |
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| Eruaran | I made two posts | Jan 11 03:49 |
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| Eruaran | I have endured nothing but abuse and bullying since. | Jan 11 03:50 |
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| twitter | How long can people bully and abuse someone who only posted twice? | Jan 11 03:51 |
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| twitter | What do they do, send you hate mail? | Jan 11 03:51 |
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| Eruaran | On the first thread I originally posted on I decided I may have been a little harsh and apologized, but the abuse continued... and all I did was defend myself and stand my ground on this point: I'll buy Multiwinia when it's available for Linux | Jan 11 03:52 |
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| Eruaran | The second thread was one I started | Jan 11 03:52 |
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| Eruaran | I posted asking if anyone has an ETA and stuff and I put a little poll up which was clearly aimed at Linux users. The poll question was, "I'll buy Multiwinia for GNU/Linux" with the options being "Yes", "No", or "I bought DEFCON for Linux !"... | Jan 11 03:54 |
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| twitter | I can believe that. The M$ people are insane. Even otherwise normal and educated people can pride themselves on using the crap and abusing those who don't worship Bill Gates. | Jan 11 03:54 |
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| Eruaran | So it wasn't nasty, it was just a poll I put up because I was interested in seeing how much enthusiasm there might be from Linux users for buying Multiwinia (ie. Supporting an Indy game company making games available for linux) | Jan 11 03:55 |
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| Eruaran | The very first response I got was abusive and stupid | Jan 11 03:55 |
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| twitter | Oh well. They offered the game and the trolls lost. | Jan 11 03:56 |
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| Eruaran | My experience there has been so negative that I don't think I even want to play the game now... I get the feeling If I play online I'll be facing the same idiots... I'm really put off buy it | Jan 11 03:57 |
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| Eruaran | Its quite bizarre really | Jan 11 03:57 |
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| Eruaran | I felt like asking, "Am I a Linux user on a game forum or a Jew in Gaza ?" | Jan 11 03:58 |
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| twitter | If you already own the game, play it. No one will know who you are. | Jan 11 04:01 |
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| Eruaran | I might still get it, it looks good | Jan 11 04:01 |
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| twitter | I don't know your particular game, but most online gaming communities are nasty on purpose. | Jan 11 04:02 |
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| twitter | Some are really like that. Others just want to make people lose it so they can kill them. | Jan 11 04:02 |
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| Eruaran | I'm happy to put my money where my mouth is when it comes to supporting indy game makers like Introversion. | Jan 11 04:02 |
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| twitter | I'm not a big non free software fan. | Jan 11 04:03 |
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| Eruaran | Me neither, but I do like Introversions games | Jan 11 04:03 |
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| twitter | My wife and I got a Wii for Christmas. It's fun but there are all sorts of little improvements my wife thinks of that she thinks people would have made if it was free software. | Jan 11 04:04 |
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| twitter | First on the list is "toddler turns" that have a simplified play. | Jan 11 04:05 |
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| twitter | Others include silly things like being able to make Miis the computer will use against you | Jan 11 04:05 |
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| twitter | A more serious issue is data privacy and security. The thing has a wireless network connection. Can I trust it on my lan? | Jan 11 04:06 |
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| twitter | GNU/Linux tainted with non free software is also less than trustworthy and is generally a pain in the ass. | Jan 11 04:09 |
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| twitter | I'd never use a gaming rig for important work, email or as a firewall. | Jan 11 04:09 |
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| twitter | I'd have to make a separate box or partition on an unimportant box. | Jan 11 04:10 |
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| Eruaran | I use a separate partition | Jan 11 04:11 |
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| twitter | In general, the less free a system is the more it resembles Windows for trust, security and fragility. Free software is much easier to set up and upgrade, though there is often a performance penalty. | Jan 11 04:12 |
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| twitter | It will be nice when ATI's cards have free software drivers that do 3D accel. | Jan 11 04:12 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jan 11 04:13 |
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| Eruaran | they've realeased the specs for devs | Jan 11 04:13 |
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| twitter | it's on the way. | Jan 11 04:13 |
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| twitter | good night | Jan 11 04:13 |
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| Eruaran | nite | Jan 11 04:13 |
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| Omar871 | Hi all | Jan 11 07:13 |
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| schestowitz | "I am talking on another list about the fact that Microsoft Windows Vista sales are lagging behind the general sales of the PC market. In other words, there are either lots of boxes being sold to install pirated copies of Microsoft Windows, or people are installing Linux on those machines." | Jan 11 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Can anyone help find a quote on this? Someone is looking for quote "Microsoft sales lagging PC market" | Jan 11 09:32 |
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| ushimitsudoki | maybe: http://www.itpro.co.uk/120321/... ? | Jan 11 09:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki | maybe: http://keznews.com/3081_PC_sales_a... ? | Jan 11 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | Thankls! | Jan 11 09:51 |
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| Omar87 | Hello all. | Jan 11 10:18 |
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| trmanco | hi Omar87 | Jan 11 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 11 10:20 |
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| Omar87 | trmanco: Hey. | Jan 11 10:20 |
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| tessier | The gang's all here | Jan 11 10:24 |
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| tessier | Let the record show that git and mercurial are very cool tools. | Jan 11 10:24 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Jan 11 10:59 |
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| PetoKraus | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/n... -> is that true? | Jan 11 10:59 |
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| trmanco | http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ | Jan 11 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | Wow! | Jan 11 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | I found proof from Microsoft that Mono is a trap | Jan 11 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's in antitrust docs | Jan 11 11:29 |
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| ushimitsudoki | doc#? | Jan 11 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... Slide 15 | Jan 11 11:30 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yes that is a good one - i have it on my quotes page with a short thought: "{Ah yup, the entire mono gambit already foreseen and prepared for - and that’s granting the “mono gambit” is actually trying to compete with Microsoft, and not just straight-up compete for Microsoft.}" | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | In the same memo? | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | no no that is my comment | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | on that memo | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I figued | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | When reading it the second time | Jan 11 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | I'll also do a screenshot of the slide | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | And post it apart | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's about EDGI mostly. | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com... if you want to see my thoughts on that particular document | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | I still have the page on the reading list | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | But I have dozens of other things to process first | Jan 11 11:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | check into that document because it goes on to talk about how far they should license parts of .net | Jan 11 11:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki | and how they will try to control clone through media formats | Jan 11 11:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki | it's a nice indicator that MS is well aware of how to use mono/.net against linux by standardizing the base, and patenting all the "good parts" | Jan 11 11:36 |
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| tessier | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-... | Jan 11 11:36 |
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| tessier | China engages in astro-turfing just like Microsoft | Jan 11 11:36 |
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| tessier | How interesting. | Jan 11 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: thanks. | Jan 11 11:47 |
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| ushimitsudoki | np | Jan 11 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, China does that | Jan 11 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | I saw reports last week. Both are suppressive entities. | Jan 11 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft also hires Turfs from China, IIRC | Jan 11 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | "More Gnome schenanigans [...] Sorry to use this address (didn't immediately see the boycottnovell email address on the site), but wanted to make sure this got on your radar: Open source Mono framework brings C# to iPhone and Wii" http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108... | Jan 11 13:17 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yeah, I noticed that dude Ryan Paul isn't very interested in talking about any possible problems with Novell/mono/etc. I don't know if I'd say he's *pro-* so much as he just doesn't seem interested in doing much beyond repeating a press release/blog | Jan 11 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | A memo from inside Microsoft shows the company's plan to use patents against .NET clones: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/micro... | Jan 11 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Can you check this? | Jan 11 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I heard the same re: Ryan | Jan 11 13:50 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah at first i was suspicious of him ('shill'), but now I don't think so - I think he just doesn't care and just repeats whatever news finds its way into his inbox | Jan 11 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | No, he's ok | Jan 11 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | He talked about me with Larabel | Jan 11 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | He likes suse | Jan 11 13:53 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Here's another quote you might want to use in that article. I don't know its up to you; "As many of you may know, we’ve actually kind of broadened the product portfolio of Visual Studio, targeting all the way from the low end with students and hobbyists, kind of competitive in that Linux space, making sure that every developer has a copy of .NET and is trained in writing .NET solutions. We introduced the low-end ve | Jan 11 13:54 |
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| ushimitsudoki | -Eric Rudder, Senior VP, Technical Strategy : http://www.microsoft.com/msft/speech/F... | Jan 11 13:55 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I'd cut out the 2 middle bullet points in the original quote too, since they aren't about .NET and so distract from the point of the post - just a suggestion | Jan 11 13:56 |
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| ushimitsudoki | There's also this quote: "By putting CLI into ECMA, we are inviting x-plat implementations. With Rotor we are even doing some work on Linux and Solaris. For enterprise customers/partners, wanting to build enterprise apps, all this is meaningless as there is no mechanism to provide transaction (and other core services) support on these non-Windows implementations." | Jan 11 13:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | - Graham Clark (GM of .NET business development) http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowacons... | Jan 11 13:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | But i'm not sure if you want to add all that into one post or not | Jan 11 13:58 |
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| ushimitsudoki | The point is it is clear MS is well aware of how to position .NET to make it *seem* attractive, but at the same time be worthless (or worth much less) without patented and *non* standardized, non-royalty free bits | Jan 11 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | These are excellent. I'll post them separately. | Jan 11 14:00 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Now, someone might want to argue that Novell tricked Microsoft and got more than Microsoft hoped ... I don't think so, but that's a possible argument ... but no one should be able to honestly argue that Microsoft intends to position .NET as some sort of Open Source cross-platform framework. (Which is what I think Miguel and crew likes to imply, if not outright state) | Jan 11 14:00 |
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| ushimitsudoki | They like to imply that mono == Open Source .NET and moonlight == Open Source Silverlight, and often strongly imply that these are "official" products from Microsoft or what have you. This is clearly not true. It's much more along the lines of "the first level is free shareware, but the whole game costs money" model that we used to see. | Jan 11 14:02 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Microsoft is playing a balancing game: they have to give up some IP to make the platform a possibility, but not enough to render Windows or other Microsoft-specific tech pointless. There is a great example of this on Mary Jo's site, showing a slide from Sam Ramji | Jan 11 14:03 |
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| ushimitsudoki | He has like 4 Open Source projects listed: it's stuff like "vim" "Eclipse" and "PHP" ... not taking anything away from those projects ... but come on. that's weak sauce to put up as an example of your new "friendliness" to Open Source | Jan 11 14:04 |
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| ushimitsudoki | bah | Jan 11 14:04 |
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| ushimitsudoki | now you got me fired up. I have to watch some MST3K and calm down :) | Jan 11 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 11 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing something based on a reader's request where he'll be attributed. | Jan 11 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | He raises good points about Wintel press. | Jan 11 14:06 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Here's that slide: http://blogs.zdnet.com/micr... | Jan 11 14:10 |
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| ushimitsudoki | "I asked Ramji if he could explain Microsoft’s open-source strategy to me in a nutshell (or at least in a single PowerPoint slide). Here’s what he showed me:" | Jan 11 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | He's a henchman, ain't he? | Jan 11 14:18 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Mainly funny to be that he is portrayed as some respected OSS "leading light" or something | Jan 11 14:20 |
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| ushimitsudoki | *mainly funny to me | Jan 11 14:20 |
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| ushimitsudoki | oh wait they are "Open Source Heroes" right? I forgot my MS-speak terminology there for a second | Jan 11 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | That's an ad | Jan 11 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | Heroes | Jan 11 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | They try to make people like us *sick* of "Open Source" | Jan 11 14:24 |
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| ushimitsudoki | If they are the "Open Source Heroes", who are the "Open Source Villains"? We already know Microsoft thinks they are the "Good Guys" ... | Jan 11 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | If they wanted to associated open source with repulsion, they did it for me. I just say Free software now, and I'm not alone. I talked to Moody about it.. he's the same now | Jan 11 14:25 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah there is a real terminology problem ... microsoft is working hard to undermine the meaning of "Open Source" ... they include "Shared Source" right there on their "Open Source" page. That's what was so ironic about that one Microsoft guy saying there was a danger of the meaning of "Open Source" being diluted ... yeah there is ... and it's YOUR company doing the "diluting"! | Jan 11 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | Ramjisoft said this, right? | Jan 11 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | In SD Times, IIRC | Jan 11 14:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yeah I think so .. i don't have it in front of me, but that sounds right | Jan 11 14:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | How hypocritical is that | Jan 11 14:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I have much less respect for the so-called "OSS advocates" at Microsoft, than the straight-up OSS-haters like Ballmer | Jan 11 14:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | at least Ballmer is straight up about hating OSS and Linux | Jan 11 14:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | mouthpieces like Ramji add an additional layer of lies and deceit on top of Ballmer's lies and deceit | Jan 11 14:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki | it's like a double cheeseburger of bullshit | Jan 11 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | They get paid for it. | Jan 11 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | Mac fans take offense (new comment): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/wh... | Jan 11 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | it's like the Inquirer says | Jan 11 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Write something negative about Apple and see hoards of spinners coming. | Jan 11 14:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | bah personal attacks right out of the gate. not worth bothering with | Jan 11 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I know.. | Jan 11 14:41 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that guy mok might have a point, though ... a least he is civil about things | Jan 11 14:41 |
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| ushimitsudoki | what cite is he talking about? | Jan 11 14:42 |
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| ushimitsudoki | ah nevermind i see the link | Jan 11 14:44 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I don't agree with mok .. I don't think that ODF support in the free non-featured editor is equivalent to ODF support in the premier/featured suite | Jan 11 14:45 |
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| ushimitsudoki | It doesn't undermine the point made in the blog entry ... it might need a little more clarification or discussion, but it doesn't undo the main thrust of the article | Jan 11 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, and it's belated | Jan 11 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Reader asks, "What happened to the Hungarian raid?" http://www.betanews.com/article/Mic... Is anyone aware of what came out of it? | Jan 11 14:51 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Nothing came out of it: http://www.gvh.hu/gvh/alpha?do=2... | Jan 11 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 11 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | The press attacks only Microsoft's big competitors, accusing them of sins Microsoft commits: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/en... | Jan 11 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, the Alex troll from itwire is going ballistic for 7apourware | Jan 11 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's like someone is rallying journos and bloggers to "freeze the market"(tm) | Jan 11 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | After Bobby Kennedy (There Was Barack Obama) < http://www.commondreams.org/arch... > | Jan 11 15:28 |
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| ushimitsudoki | wow there is a lot of bs in the comments on http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11... | Jan 11 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | I am doing the Intel ones ATM | Jan 11 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Two people talked about it. | Jan 11 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: when they squeal, then it means we are on to something. | Jan 11 16:56 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I can't believe that dude Dan is trying to say about that presentation: "Actually, it doesn’t even refer to the framework that it’d patent" | Jan 11 16:56 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that is just tortuous to the point of dishonesty | Jan 11 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Reply to him. | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that's putting aside all the distraction footwork of trying to bring Wine and other junk in there | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'm too busy to bother because of the Intel BS :-) | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | And they go on endlessly :-) | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | i doubt it's worth it, but i just might | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | They always must have the last word | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Even if it takes 200 comments. | Jan 11 16:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah, actually i think that's why I'm not going to bother ... he's already getting plenty of feeding action there | Jan 11 16:58 |
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| ushimitsudoki | and reading that argument i can't think he is coming from a honest place | Jan 11 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | He won't say who he's with | Jan 11 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | If you ask, then he'll say it doesn't matter. | Jan 11 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 11 17:52 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I've recently posted a question on Fluther that says: "Do you agree with me that all publishers and authors should consider using Creative Commons instead of Copy Rights?" | Jan 11 18:02 |
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| Omar87 | One member answered: " Creative Commons extends copyright. And no, I don’t agree, of course. Creative Commons should not only bring freedom to consumers, it should also provide freedom to authors. There’s a reason there are multiple CC licenses – in some cases, it’s just inappropriate. I do think many more authors should consider CC, and it’d be very nice of them to license their work using a CC license. " | Jan 11 18:03 |
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| Omar87 | What do you think of what he said? | Jan 11 18:04 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Authors have the right to choose how to license their work. The problem is the obscene extension of copyrights. | Jan 11 18:29 |
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| ushimitsudoki | There's nothing wrong with choosing non-CC licenses -- although I would certainly encourage authors to consider a CC license. But the larger issue is beyond any one author - and lies with the (mainly) corporate driven extension of copyrights ... what was once 14 years is now life+70 years. That is hard to justify considering the original purpose behind copyrights | Jan 11 18:31 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i'm using CC for all my artistic stuff | Jan 11 18:34 |
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| PetoKraus | i tend to license code under GPL | Jan 11 18:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | My code is GPLv3 | Jan 11 18:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | My band's music is normal copyright. I don't have the influence to convince them and the record label on something like CC. It would be nice, but a pointless battle. | Jan 11 18:36 |
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| PetoKraus | one question | Jan 11 18:36 |
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| PetoKraus | if something is hosted on Slovak server but using data copyrighted in US, which laws do apply? | Jan 11 18:36 |
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| PetoKraus | Slovak or US? | Jan 11 18:36 |
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| PetoKraus | i know they can't DMCA it, since it's not in US | Jan 11 18:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | I would guess Slovak. Isn't that how the pirate bay has stayed up, because they don't technically violate swedish law, even though the US has come after them? | Jan 11 18:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | that's just a wild ass guess though | Jan 11 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, i think so | Jan 11 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | it's because in Slovakia the regulations for reuse of works of art is different than in US | Jan 11 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | afaik, reuse of music in videos for personal use is allowed... | Jan 11 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | in slovakia. | Jan 11 18:38 |
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| trmanco | http://www.fanboysdelinux.hpg.com.br/ | Jan 11 18:53 |
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| trmanco | idiots | Jan 11 18:53 |
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| Omar87 | trmanco: I didn't get a word of what the site says, but from the red X on tux, I think it's some bunch of stupid goons attacking Linux, right? | Jan 11 18:59 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 11 19:00 |
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| Omar87 | I wonder how much did Balmer pay them to do this. ;-) | Jan 11 19:01 |
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| trmanco | there is a lie right on the first paragraph, stating that Linux has only 2% of market share, but he doesn't specify what kind marketshare, and he forgot to mention the biased stats that are all out there | Jan 11 19:01 |
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| Omar87 | trmanco: What language is this? | Jan 11 19:02 |
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| Omar87 | Spanish? | Jan 11 19:02 |
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| trmanco | Portuguese Brazilian | Jan 11 19:02 |
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| trmanco | owe well | Jan 11 19:05 |
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| trmanco | I'll just wait until his Toy 's us OS and server crashes for me to laugh | Jan 11 19:05 |
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| seller_liar | CJ collier is a very old guy | Jan 11 19:24 |
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| seller_liar | mainsoft helps novell too | Jan 11 19:24 |
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| seller_liar | http://go-mono.com/archive/1.0/ | Jan 11 19:24 |
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| PetoKraus | [H]omer: nice nickspam | Jan 11 19:28 |
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| trmanco | seller_liar, http://www.fanboysdelinux.hpg.com.br/ | Jan 11 19:35 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Oh ,this is crazy | Jan 11 19:36 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Who is the site owner? | Jan 11 19:36 |
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| trmanco | don't know | Jan 11 19:36 |
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| trmanco | his email is hosted on linux servers though | Jan 11 19:36 |
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| trmanco | it is a yahoo email | Jan 11 19:36 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Oh , i have some videos of author | Jan 11 19:38 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Octavier is a well known troll | Jan 11 19:38 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 11 19:38 |
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| trmanco | from where? | Jan 11 19:39 |
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| trmanco | guia do ahrdware? | Jan 11 19:39 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: wait... | Jan 11 19:39 |
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| trmanco | he ahs some link at the bottom | Jan 11 19:39 |
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| trmanco | links* | Jan 11 19:39 |
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| trmanco | has* | Jan 11 19:40 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JP... | Jan 11 19:41 |
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| trmanco | seller_liar, that doesn't work | Jan 11 19:45 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: wait | Jan 11 19:45 |
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| trmanco | hmm, so this is the same dude | Jan 11 19:45 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Jan 11 19:45 |
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| trmanco | does he know tha his videos are on a Linux sever? | Jan 11 19:45 |
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| trmanco | wow | Jan 11 19:46 |
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| trmanco | he knows how to login as root | Jan 11 19:47 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 11 19:47 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco:I know | Jan 11 19:48 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: The only way is promote GNU/Linux | Jan 11 19:48 |
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| trmanco | I didn't know that those peanut sized brain troll knew how to login as root a a *nix based system | Jan 11 19:49 |
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| trmanco | that doesn'r work anymore with -preserve-root | Jan 11 19:49 |
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| trmanco | coreutils has been updated | Jan 11 19:49 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Octaiver lost all the time trolling gnu linux | Jan 11 19:50 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Ignore him | Jan 11 19:50 |
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| trmanco | oh really | Jan 11 19:50 |
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| trmanco | did he at least got paid? | Jan 11 19:50 |
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| trmanco | get* | Jan 11 19:51 |
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| trmanco | my hads are freezing, sorry for the typos | Jan 11 19:51 |
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| trmanco | hands* | Jan 11 19:51 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: no problem | Jan 11 19:52 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: Probably he 's not paid , but frequent sites like meiobit | Jan 11 19:53 |
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| trmanco | hmm, he is like this guy we have in portugal too | Jan 11 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | hey. i' back | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: hello roy | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Cj probably is a old guy | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | I'm catching up | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| seller_liar | http://go-mono.com/archive/1.0/ | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: mainsoft probably helps novell | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | More on Hungary: | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | cmp. also 29 Aug | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.gvh.hu/gvh/alpha?do=2&am... | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Edri: | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number6.... | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Egg incident | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/... | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | and some comments | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.realdeal.hu/20081030/hungarys... | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | and Brad Smith! | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://hungary.usembassy.gov/br... | Jan 11 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: that remark on CC is absurd. | Jan 11 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: -- what mention Collier? | Jan 11 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | He was here some times before... related to Microsoft indirectly (contract | Jan 11 20:12 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: look at contributors list | Jan 11 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 11 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Not news to me ;-) | Jan 11 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | He smeared BN | Jan 11 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | How did you find out about him and why? I know too little about his personal role in Mono. Is he a coders? | Jan 11 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | coder | Jan 11 20:19 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I don t know , I was looking for some texts and stupid novuel e icaza blog | Jan 11 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | He could be bridge/communicator because of ties with MS (cj that is, Noguel too) | Jan 11 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | The guy who quit Microsoft shortly after having his company sold will do an inauguration of sorts... http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Former... | Jan 11 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | I have some antitrust docs that I need to process and publish. They show Gartner and IDC negotiating with Microsoft what they'll produce. There are prior examples of this that I published. CIOs will hopefully become more open minded because they are being sold mindshare. | Jan 11 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow I'll do Intel (BillG called for a "Jihad" against Linux) | Jan 11 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not vengeful; I'm a realist. there is some much good stuff in Comes. | Jan 11 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Thom Holwerda is feeding/boosting Mono again | Jan 11 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Why WiFi in Africa? < http://manypossibilities.net/2009/01/why... > | Jan 11 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/node/14021 | Jan 11 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.microturfs.org/ | Jan 11 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Seek open source, read about... music bands :-S http://www.itworld.com/legal/60479/nine-inch... | Jan 11 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hans Reiser Attacked by Fellow Prisoners < http://www.kcbs.com/San-Quentin-P... > | Jan 11 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.quicktweaks.com/2009/01/10/hot... | Jan 11 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | " Cue a ton of Linux fanboys scrolling down to the comments box to rant shit about how “we believe in FREEDOM” and “SCREW YOUR IGNORANCE” and “you’re just bitter than you couldn’t properly install Ubuntu on your system” before even reading this entry." http://visonix.net/blog/2009/01/th... | Jan 11 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Whoa. YouTube videos suddenly have ads like subtitles. When did *this* start? | Jan 11 22:42 |
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| MinceR | the last time google decided to not be evil | Jan 11 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I think it began hours ago | Jan 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | New year's resolution | Jan 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Nuthin' 'bout it in the news... well, not in Google's 'news'... http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&n... | Jan 11 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Reader says: "We need to set up a Wiki with all the comes docs cross referenced. See what you can come up with, but I need help, how goes the call for volunteers ?" Should we make a wiki? One person already posts some in COLA. I make copies of all those Comes posts there for publishing in BN. | Jan 11 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Another Microtuf with anti-Linux pro-vapourware chorus: Why Windows 7 will crush Linux < http://www.networkworld.com/... > It's like they all read from the same FUD book... all tied to Microsoft, too. | Jan 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL: Windows 7 as 'Linux killer'? How times have changed! < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=151 > | Jan 11 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Here's why we got flak from Mac fans. We made FP of this Mac shrine and hundreds of people came from thee: http://www.macsurfer.com/ | Jan 11 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | You'll hardly see Microsoft mentioning the "N" word these days (Nintendo, not Novell)... http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6202782.html (Nintendo leads UK gaming growth) | Jan 11 23:09 |
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| twitter | FUD book, they call it talking points. | Jan 11 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 11 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | They even write "talking points" under "fear uncertainty and doubt" in their internal memo | Jan 11 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | The slogan's take-away: Linux will soon die (be afraid) and Vista7 is already wonderful. it's a form of PR (also known as brainwash) | Jan 11 23:14 |
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| twitter | Is anyone listening? | Jan 11 23:15 |
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| MinceR | i know an extremely zealous microsoft fanboy | Jan 11 23:15 |
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| MinceR | i'm sure he believes that from the first letter to the last | Jan 11 23:15 |
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| twitter | I know some people who believe they saw a UFO on top of their house. | Jan 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Joseph Tartakoff didn't ask Bach my question (which he accepted as a comment) about inside trading, which is fraud < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m... > | Jan 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | No new Xbox Console in Microsoft’s future < http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/... > | Jan 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | For the log: Microsoft Won't Commit to '09 Launch for Windows 7 < http://www.maximumpc.com/articl... > Can you spell V A P O R? | Jan 11 23:18 |
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| MinceR | m$ not wanting to release a product that isn't ready yet? | Jan 11 23:18 |
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| MinceR | it must be cold in hell nowadays | Jan 11 23:18 |
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| twitter | Windows has never been ready. | Jan 11 23:19 |
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| twitter | Windows 7 won't be either. | Jan 11 23:19 |
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| MinceR | exactly | Jan 11 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be ready... | Jan 11 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | For manufacturing (RTM) | Jan 11 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | They can't yet manufacture consumer consent. Drek on a platter... | Jan 11 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://i.gizmodo.com/5128355/microsoft-sur... (As Seen at CES: Microsoft Surface Fail) | Jan 11 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shows nothing new at CES < http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?p=766 >. It's true. It's a slow year in the news... nobody launches new products... nothing major anyway. | Jan 11 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Agreement between Microsoft and the Greek government < http://www.ffii.gr/ms-gov-agreement-en > | Jan 11 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | China shuts down 50 more porn Web sites in sweep < http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article... > | Jan 11 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.macworld.com/article/13... "In addition to Macworld and OWC, which sponsored two teams, this year’s participants included returning champions Microsoft, which also sponsored two teams, Freeverse Software, Smith Micro and Roxio" This is weird... how can they 'donate' when Microsoft still owes a billion or so to CA schools (antitrust)? | Jan 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/01/08/even... | Jan 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | "That is the feeling we get from Michael Arrington’s latest post on the never-ending drama that is Microhoo. Arrington writes at TechCrunch that a group of Silicon Valley executives and bankers are putting together a Yahoo takeover deal that Microsoft would help finance. All Things D’s Kara Swisher, meanwhile, talked to Microsoft and Yahoo and both are scoffing at the report."" | Jan 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Labour's graduates aren't getting jobs < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u... >; Intel's Early Warning Bodes Badly For Whole Economy < http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/arti... > | Jan 11 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | India's Hyderabad city hurts from Satyam scandal < http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyl... > | Jan 11 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft hints at cutbacks < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/200... >. It might be announced next week,. The question is, how many? On the 22nd, the question will be how much lower than already lowered expectations Microsoft be? | Jan 11 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost done... put it out of its misery.. "Microsoft May Finally Nuke The Zune (MSFT)" < http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/microsoft-ma... > | Jan 11 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Dina Bass ->> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... That's the woman whom Microsoft worked with (cooked with) reports about Vista... now she's working to falsify a report that's damaging. | Jan 11 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | Damage control also from Microsoft's (sort of, dying nonetheless) press outlet: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros... | Jan 11 23:51 |
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