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| twitter | Glyn Moody, reports and stirs the fake flame war. | Jan 13 18:43 |
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| twitter | FOSDEM, "We determine our budget based on what we need, not on who we want to take money from." I suppose they "need" Novell then, paying or not. | Jan 13 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing about it now | Jan 13 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Proofread for me pls | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | I' posting it now. | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| twitter | OK | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| twitter | it should be interesting | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | 5 secs ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/13/f... | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| twitter | thanks for writing it. | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Some other people might get involved | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | RMS | Jan 13 18:45 |
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| twitter | " Novell is almost a proponent of software patents" -> " Novell is a proponent and vendor of software patents" | Jan 13 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, better. | Jan 13 18:47 |
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| benJIman | Will you be demonstrating at the event? | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Me? | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| benJIman | Yes. | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | I won't be there. | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | I was invited though. Several times.. | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| twitter | That sounds like a good protest. | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| twitter | I don't see any obvious typos. :) | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's better to reform Novell though | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Not to spoil FOSDEM. | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Novell got worse when it publicly used swpatents to market itself | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | And in /Europe/ | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, it did this in Germany too... in 2006 | Jan 13 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Someone reported that they advertised it... that was said in Groklaw | Jan 13 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Messman too | Jan 13 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something. | Jan 13 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/01/jack... | Jan 13 18:51 |
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| twitter | The best way to reform Novell is to expose and protest what they are doing. | Jan 13 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but not FOSDEM | Jan 13 18:53 |
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| twitter | ? | Jan 13 18:53 |
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| twitter | not protest FODEM? | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Likewise, projects to criticise are those who choose to promote Microsoft, not those endorsing them 'transitively' | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | No | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| twitter | or not protest Novell at FOSDEM? | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | FOSDEM is more than Novell | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| twitter | I would hope so. | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | But Novell@FOSDEM is the issue | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | They'll have lots of lizards all over the rooms... like last year | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Probably some counters and booths with SUSE CDs, posters and promotion of Go-OOXML | Jan 13 18:54 |
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| twitter | Yes, none of that is very free software friendly. | Jan 13 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | No | Jan 13 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | But it's 'protected; | Jan 13 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Peace of Mind" @ both 12 | Jan 13 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | *booth | Jan 13 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't make it in on time: SCO Files for Reorganization Again, Puts Assets Up for Sale < http://ostatic.com/blog/sco-files-for-reo... > | Jan 13 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | SCO officially becomes a legal firm (well, soon anyway). | Jan 13 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Santa Cruz Operations, where "Operations" means "Litigations" | Jan 13 18:57 |
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| MinceR | it started being a legal firm when mcbride took over | Jan 13 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | He used to work at Novell. | Jan 13 19:00 |
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| twitter | That's not for real is it? -> "Peace of Mind" @ both 12 | Jan 13 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is now run partly by IBMers (former)... int-monopolies and all... | Jan 13 19:01 |
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| twitter | It's funny how the hecklers accuse BN of being "childish" | Jan 13 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Glyn found: "Our goal is to build a community of academic computing departments, IT corporations, and local and global humanitarian and community organizations dedicated to building and using Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) to benefit humanity." http://hfoss.org/ | Jan 13 19:04 |
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| twitter | M$ and Novell are a real threat to software freedom. The childish reaction to their threats is to take their money, and praise them for their mediocre technical achievements and pretty graphics. | Jan 13 19:05 |
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| twitter | Things won't turn out the way you want when you ignore the problem. | Jan 13 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Nope. | Jan 13 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if Michael returns all that gear he's getting for review: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news... | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| tessier_ | Neato. A camera that runs Linux. | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Last year he told me that he has lots left around his house. it's like bribes... | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks, I saw this article this morning. | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| PetoKraus | i wouldnae touch dat | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, 1525 | Jan 13 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | it's not exactly news, but the GPL does not force you to put a "GNU inside" sticker on all those gadgets | Jan 13 19:08 |
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| MinceR | strange, i've never seen IBM act as nasty as novell does nowadays | Jan 13 19:08 |
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| PetoKraus | it's the most crappy product dell made | Jan 13 19:08 |
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| PetoKraus | if you hold 1525 by the edge/corner, it feels like it's gonna break on the other one | Jan 13 19:09 |
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| tessier_ | They even link to the source code for the kernel and busybox. Nice. | Jan 13 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Can the camera's code be loaded on? | Jan 13 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | For modification purposes? I mean, it's not as though they give you a premium service on top -- one that justifies tivoization | Jan 13 19:10 |
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| MinceR | whoa, ALP is alive | Jan 13 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | "sharonpr "... Is the LF using PR accounts for Linux sites now?? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/33628 | Jan 13 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: It's ALIPE! Any URL? | Jan 13 19:12 |
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| MinceR | tessier_'s link mentioned a mobile phone running it | Jan 13 19:13 |
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| MinceR | http://www.edelweiss-mobile.com/ | Jan 13 19:13 |
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| MinceR | the site uses flash and is in russian :/ | Jan 13 19:13 |
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| PetoKraus | edelweiss | Jan 13 19:14 |
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| MinceR | and it's rather nontechnical | Jan 13 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | for foggyness sake | Jan 13 19:14 |
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| MinceR | hm, it's apparently a sharp product | Jan 13 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | When Susan mentions BetaVista7, then pageviews rise, but it's a LINUX site...... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/33630 | Jan 13 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | "OLPC tapped into the rich, now poor by Wall street ponzi fraud ?" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/33643 | Jan 13 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Jason Brooks is among those who Microsoft 'took to the back' for a laptop from Sinofsky... now he plays the Windows open source cars: http://blogs.eweek.com/brooks/content/open_s... | Jan 13 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone here use Kate? | Jan 13 19:26 |
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| MinceR | One Laptop Per Investor? :> | Jan 13 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Companies put money in the hat for PR purposes, among other things. | Jan 13 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Companies are inherently against giving to charity, unless the cameras are on, so to speak. Capitalism 01... | Jan 13 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | *101 | Jan 13 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=... "While our notebook arrived with Windows Vista..." | Jan 13 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | English press uses Che guavara to characterise Linux.. http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-computer-... | Jan 13 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | English... | Jan 13 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | we had a very good lecture on english press today and yesterday | Jan 13 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | English/British http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_guavara "Over forty years after his execution, Che's life and legacy still remain a contentious and polarizing issue." | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Linux= polarizing? | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't Microsoft break the law by bullying, bribing, attacking people, etc. | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | you are polarising! | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | it's also awesome operating system1 | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| MinceR | it does, but that's all right because 1) they're a Business! and 2) they pay enough to silence dissent | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | ~1 | Jan 13 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | ERR 99? | Jan 13 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva E-Training http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/vie... | Jan 13 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva has been quiet since AdamW finished his job | Jan 13 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Weird.. http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/MSN-c... "404 - File not found" | Jan 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | This URL worked before... did they yank the article? | Jan 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Review of Palm''s way forward: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/... (It's interesting that Palm shunned Windows Mobile) | Jan 13 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 13 19:46 |
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| MinceR | they did? | Jan 13 19:51 |
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| MinceR | it doesn't seem so at all to me | Jan 13 19:51 |
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| MinceR | they've had some wm-based treo models | Jan 13 19:51 |
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| tessier_ | But they didn't use Windows Mobile as the base for their new PalmOS | Jan 13 20:16 |
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| tessier_ | They used Linux | Jan 13 20:16 |
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| MinceR | i expected them to, i just didn't see why they waited so long | Jan 13 20:18 |
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| MinceR | (though i expected ALP, not webOS) | Jan 13 20:18 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: could you relink the pdf letter for virgin you published yesterday to http://pk.gjhak.sk/?uid=140 | Jan 13 20:59 |
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| PetoKraus | cheers | Jan 13 20:59 |
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| twitter | Blocking software modification is futile. | Jan 13 21:46 |
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| twitter | I've seen where people have figured out how to mod their Cannon cameras, and those did not come with free software in the first place. Aside from getting around lame product differentiating limitations and restrictions, people added their own functions. | Jan 13 21:46 |
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| twitter | I've used Kate. | Jan 13 21:48 |
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| twitter | what do you want to know about kate? | Jan 13 21:49 |
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| twitter | LOL. Windows Vista 7 Beta eats MP3s and has a DoS SMB bug that they will fix when you buy it. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do... | Jan 13 22:01 |
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| neighborlee | twitter, I dont have to worry much about it since I dont ( nor have I ever ) have any mp3's ;) | Jan 13 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | had | Jan 13 22:09 |
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| twitter | I have a few of them but I'll never subject them to a M$ OS. | Jan 13 22:11 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: what do you use? | Jan 13 22:11 |
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| twitter | ogg, flac | Jan 13 22:11 |
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| PetoKraus | umm | Jan 13 22:11 |
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| twitter | I only go for mp3 when a site like archive.org does not have ogg vorbis | Jan 13 22:12 |
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| PetoKraus | i wish i could use flac, but not enough diskspace | Jan 13 22:12 |
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| PetoKraus | and ogg, seriously, i can't listen to it, i don't like the sound | Jan 13 22:12 |
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| twitter | ? bump up your quality factor | Jan 13 22:12 |
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| PetoKraus | i had it at max... i didn't like how it sounded | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| PetoKraus | too much trebles | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| twitter | but mp3 works? | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| PetoKraus | yes... | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, ogg | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| twitter | I'm glad I don't have your ears. | Jan 13 22:13 |
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| twitter | KDE's default ogg rip has always worked well for me. | Jan 13 22:14 |
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| neighborlee | kewl | Jan 13 22:14 |
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| twitter | I love the comments I got here, http://slashdot.org/firehose.p... | Jan 13 22:16 |
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| PetoKraus | the question is | Jan 13 22:17 |
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| PetoKraus | ARE YOU REALLY A CUNT?!? | Jan 13 22:17 |
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| twitter | let me check | Jan 13 22:17 |
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| twitter | what color is a cunt? | Jan 13 22:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno. our ac-cunt-s manager has been fired from work | Jan 13 22:17 |
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| PetoKraus | the funny part is, she's wife of the store manager | Jan 13 22:18 |
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| PetoKraus | :D:D | Jan 13 22:18 |
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| twitter | pink slip? check. | Jan 13 22:18 |
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| PetoKraus | *freudian | Jan 13 22:18 |
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| PetoKraus | :P | Jan 13 22:18 |
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| twitter | what other essential characteristics of a cunt can I check? | Jan 13 22:20 |
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| twitter | temperature? check. | Jan 13 22:20 |
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| twitter | humidity? I'm in Louisiana, check. | Jan 13 22:20 |
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| twitter | Oh well, it's a mystery. I'm sure the AC has never seen such a thing in real life. | Jan 13 22:21 |
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| twitter | I noticed the remarks when I was updating the Windows 7 failure log, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Jan 13 22:21 |
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| twitter | People hardly ever comment on journals and submissions these days. I was flattered by the extra attention. | Jan 13 22:22 |
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| twitter | forecasting an 8% drop in spam. http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/co... | Jan 13 22:24 |
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| twitter | "Pfizer to ax up to 8% of R&D staff" | Jan 13 22:24 |
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| twitter | It's been a while since I've gotten penis spam. | Jan 13 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Palm have spoken about moving to Linux since March 2005, IIRC | Jan 13 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: how to relink? Was it broken at the time? | Jan 13 22:25 |
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| PetoKraus | no, it just points directly to the pdf... i told you i'd like it to point to the article (when done) ;) | Jan 13 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: How's Kate as an HTML editor and what would be better? | Jan 13 22:25 |
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| PetoKraus | and wb | Jan 13 22:26 |
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| twitter | Kate is OK. Bluefish is nice. | Jan 13 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Oh look! twitter has fans... http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=... | Jan 13 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | And fannies it seems... | Jan 13 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | They try to 'expel' him. | Jan 13 22:29 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: and they've been doing wm while speaking about it :> | Jan 13 22:30 |
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| MinceR | even when ALP was already out and was called the successor to Palm OS | Jan 13 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: aye, losers | Jan 13 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find some posts | Jan 13 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... | Jan 13 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Lots more here: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi... | Jan 13 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | I used to blog a lot about Palm | Jan 13 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article... | Jan 13 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Indeed, Microsoft says its research shows that most of the people who buy Linux netbooks actually install Windows on them, mainly illegal copies at that." --> "Indeed" and _Microsoft says its research_... I'm gonna show some internal memos about these lies | Jan 13 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/can... | Jan 13 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | SCO vs. Linux: "Unix" goes under the hammer < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/SCO-vs-Lin... > | Jan 13 22:41 |
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| NeonF|oss | yo | Jan 13 22:53 |
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| NeonFloss | some time ago you pointed me in the direction of the indian poeple who convinced the schoolboard to switch to foss ? | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| cj | haha: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmod... | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| cj | http://i.gizmodo.com/5130531/56-situa... | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| cj | that made me think of you, schestowitz :) | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| NeonFloss | do any of you knkow how I could contact them? | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| cj | NeonFloss: contact whom? | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Just got back.. | Jan 13 22:54 |
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| NeonFloss | the people from indiana who got thier schoolboard to use foss | Jan 13 22:55 |
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| cj | facebook usually works for that type of thing | Jan 13 22:56 |
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| NeonFloss | lol | Jan 13 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | NeonFloss: the ones ousted? | Jan 13 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, Indiana... | Jan 13 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | I thought of India for second... | Jan 13 22:59 |
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| NeonFloss | heh | Jan 13 22:59 |
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| twitter | What a paytard, "People want Windows, not Linux," said Gilbert Fiorentino, chief executive of the technology products group at Systemax, parent company of CompUSA and TigerDirect. "They are used to it. It is more compatible and you can run other applications on it." | Jan 13 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/157006/u... (UK Broadband Growth Takes a Hit) | Jan 13 23:01 |
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| twitter | I wonder if Saul Hansell is already on my Poison Pen list. | Jan 13 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | What's known about this chap? http://www.pcworld.com/article/156990/... (Obama Names FCC Chair) | Jan 13 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | I think that in BN+Coral we did over a million hits today. | Jan 13 23:04 |
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| cj | ooh... FCC... | Jan 13 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | I disengaged from Coral at 10am today | Jan 13 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | FCC=F* corruption Corruption | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| cj | yay for net neutrality. | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| cj | schestowitz: well, maybe it will get better with a new chair... | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/14... | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| cj | speaking of which, I need to sign up for the ham license exam... | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck with that. | Jan 13 23:05 |
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| twitter | Congrats. RMS is down on Obama's choices. I don't know about the FCC dude. The article uses all the right words. | Jan 13 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | TeliaSonera Lays off 1,200 as Part of Restructuring Plan < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156988/teliasonera... > | Jan 13 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | I think we get more traffic than Groklaw, but logging is disabled over there | Jan 13 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | . | Jan 13 23:06 |
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| cj | If Genachowski does end up at the FCC he will bring a vastly different outlook than Kevin Martin, the current FCC chief. Under the Bush Administration, the Martin-led FCC pushed to relax media ownership rules. That plan would have made it easier for media conglomerates to control broadcasting and print media in the same market--something that critics say favors media consolidation, not diversity. Congress later reversed the FCC's policy. | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| cj | why would anyone disable logging!? | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Performance | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| cj | anonymity, I guess... | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Mathfox did that | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Anonymity=side effect | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| cj | oh, right. hard to figure out what's causing performance problems when you don't have logs, though... | Jan 13 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Can be enabled temporarily.. | Jan 13 23:08 |
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| cj | schestowitz: did you get a chance to listen to the frontalot song? | Jan 13 23:08 |
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| cj | not for the start of the problem, though... | Jan 13 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | frontalot?? | Jan 13 23:08 |
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| cj | he released it while I was working on amazon's blogging infrastructure: | Jan 13 23:09 |
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| cj | http://frontalot.com/media.php/331/MC_Fron... | Jan 13 23:09 |
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| cj | what? teaser!? | Jan 13 23:09 |
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| cj | here, let me publish it on my site for a moment | Jan 13 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's OK, never mind. | Jan 13 23:11 |
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| cj | :) | Jan 13 23:12 |
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| cj | the part that reminded me of folks like jo was this: | Jan 13 23:14 |
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| cj | http://rafb.net/p/WxgYXQ76.html | Jan 13 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/377... "ALTHOUGH CURRENTLY holding the performance crown in GPU performance, Nvidia is revising its forecasted Q4 revenue expectations, down down and down." | Jan 13 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Jo disagreed with us | Jan 13 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | You guys are friends/collagues, I imagine | Jan 13 23:14 |
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| twitter | Hmm, that Saul dude did notice something at CES that's worth sharing. M$ has missed the boat for embedded devices, even Inel is using GNU/Linux for their TVs. | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| cj | I use Ubuntu, so I guess so. I like the guy, even if he is a bit rough around the edges :) | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Intel does not like MS at engineers level | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | They use VS only for s/w programming | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| cj | twitter: note that they terminated support for the only OS that was reasonable with <4M of memory not long agin | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| cj | s/agin/ago/ | Jan 13 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | The managers talk in $$, so Ballmer and chums are all right for them. | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Win CE is worth abandoning. | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think it generates much/any profit | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | WM too.. | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| cj | I was talking about windows 'snowball' (3.11) | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Loses money like a motor unless things changed.. | Jan 13 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Smart companies turn to MontaVista et al for help | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but M$ can't abandon the mobile market. People are using their iPhone instead of a laptop already. The monopoly can't stand commercial avoidance without collapsing. | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| cj | twitter: how long did it take them to embrace the internet? :) | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | WM is not in danger yet | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | But long term, it ain't viable | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Too much work to be done by ONE company | Jan 13 23:18 |
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| cj | hear hear | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Linux keeps growing so fast and you don't need to rely on one company | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| twitter | M$ is increasingly looking at a world where phones, TVs, game systems and phones all have enough computing power to do most tasks. | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Even Symbian was a (failed) case of pooling resources | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| cj | I'm glad Allison has been pestering them to co-operate more with the F/OSS community, and I'm glad they've been moving that direction. | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Then Nokia bought it and it seems to lack a future | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Sony and others turn to other plattoforms, I think | Jan 13 23:19 |
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| cj | schestowitz: if you're looking for a story, look into Allison Randal and the OSDL | Jan 13 23:20 |
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| twitter | M$ has tried to embrace the embedded market, in a strangulation mode, for a decade - killing off palm and other competitors. | Jan 13 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Even NOKIA keeps saying more and more that it will adopt Linux for PHONES | Jan 13 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like Radal so much | Jan 13 23:20 |
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| *cj needs a CDMA platform for his linux phone... | Jan 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | She's just arguing with me at times. | Jan 13 23:20 |
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| *cj <3 Allison | Jan 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | *Randal | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | PJ gets along with her | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| cj | 'cuz she's awesome :) | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to sell Windows and MOOX | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| twitter | When all of these devices do voice conferencing, email, news, weather, internet, games etc, who's going to need a PC or M$? | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | The OSS game is self gain, postuuring. | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Like a kid who says he lives building sand castles, then come over (closer) to step on it. | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| cj | schestowitz: that's a very general claim you're making there :) | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | *likes | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| yuhong | Anti-trust law is fundemetally flawed. | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| yuhong | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578... | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| yuhong | "The underlying problem is that antitrust law is so malleable that it can be bent into virtually any shape that its practitioners desire. Given nearly any set of hard-nose business practices, some economist can be hired to claim that "predatory" prices are illegally low (hurting competitors) or illegally high (hurting consumers). No wonder Lester Thurow, the former dean of MIT's business... | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| yuhong | ...school, concluded that "the time has come to recognize that the antitrust approach has been a failure. The costs it imposes far exceed any benefits it brings." " | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | Spinners abound | Jan 13 23:22 |
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| cj | schestowitz: perhaps this is true with some folks, but the ones I know in the OSDL org are really real. Lots of GNU/Linux experience there, emphasis on the GNU/. | Jan 13 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | OSDL is no more | Jan 13 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Cohen is a IBM/Novell-like mind.. | Jan 13 23:23 |
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| yuhong | Referring to the MS/Google/Yahoo mess. | Jan 13 23:24 |
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| yuhong | " | Jan 13 23:25 |
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| yuhong | "But it tends to be cheaper and less risky to lobby government officials to spend tax dollars suing your competitor rather than doing it yourself. Another bonus is you gain the imprimatur of a government suit that supposedly protects the public interest." | Jan 13 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft corruption amidst politics. | Jan 13 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Proving the company is a Political movement, as some people tell me. | Jan 13 23:25 |
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| yuhong | Yep, MS and Google were playing a game where both calls each other evil. | Jan 13 23:26 |
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| yuhong | Turned out that anti-trust law is fundamentally flawed. | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | Hypocrisy | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| yuhong | "The underlying problem is that antitrust law is so malleable that it can be bent into virtually any shape that its practitioners desire. Given nearly any set of hard-nose business practices, some economist can be hired to claim that "predatory" prices are illegally low (hurting competitors) or illegally high (hurting consumers). No wonder Lester Thurow, the former dean of MIT's business... | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| yuhong | ...school, concluded that "the time has come to recognize that the antitrust approach has been a failure. The costs it imposes far exceed any benefits it brings." " | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | Antitrust is a regularisation term for a broken system | Jan 13 23:29 |
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| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | had the system been inherently robust to corruption and not favouring monopoliation, it would not be needed | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | The assumptions about competitions can't be faciliatets when companies run the government | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | It needs to be reversed | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| yuhong | I will say it again | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| yuhong | "the time has come to recognize that the antitrust approach has been a failure. The costs it imposes far exceed any benefits it brings." | Jan 13 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no! | Jan 13 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Jan 13 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | No Sue | Jan 13 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | The other woman took it... Autodesk.. bad people, pro-lockin and sw patents | Jan 13 23:31 |
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| yuhong | I don't know much about Autodesk, but I never heard that it is as evil as MS. | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's not | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | MS is not evil | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | it's corrupt | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Which makes it evil too | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Indian police raid PWC in Satyam probe < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01... > | Jan 13 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Had laws applied in a reciprocal, non-discriminatory fashion, almost every US president from the past 50 years would stand trial for illegal acts | Jan 13 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | This is a conventional thought, a consensus to some | Jan 13 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Likewise... | Jan 13 23:33 |
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| yuhong | Of course, most laws are not reciprocal. | Jan 13 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Had there been incentive and enforcement to stick to laws, many Microsoft executives would be in prison right now. | Jan 13 23:34 |
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| yuhong | Or at least be fined. | Jan 13 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Not quite | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Fines are the bail they pay | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| yuhong | Which laws are you referring to. | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Or settlements | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | The society we live in suffers the most from Big Criminals | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | The small ones are those who shoplift or do drugs | Jan 13 23:35 |
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| yuhong | Which laws did MS execs break? | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | The ones who kill hundreds of thousands of innocent kids for oil are an example of Big Criminals | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| yuhong | I know. | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | The ones that bribe to colonialise are big criminals too. | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| yuhong | But which laws did MS execs break? | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: many | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Long list | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| yuhong | What is the name of the most serious. | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| yuhong | one. | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Financial fraud is one | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| yuhong | And Intel execs too. | Jan 13 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | They settled with the SEC and paid their way out of it | Jan 13 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of large companies | Jan 13 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | But I am more familiar with tech companies, so many of us aren't competent enough to find evidence for other sectors | Jan 13 23:37 |
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| yuhong | What is the name of the most serious violation that MS and Intel execs broke. | Jan 13 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Pharmas cause many deaths, not save lives | Jan 13 23:37 |
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| yuhong | I know. | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Artificial scarcity vs abundance for humanity | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| yuhong | But I am asking this. | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| yuhong | What is the name of the most serious law that MS and Intel execs broke. | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean by "most serious"? | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a ladder of severity? | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| yuhong | Most severe. | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Define. | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Bribing of charities for example is a serious abuse | Jan 13 23:39 |
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| yuhong | Because maybe the execs do need to go to jail, but only if it is severe. | Jan 13 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Define severe | Jan 13 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | Someone stole my lunch box and I think it's severe :-) | Jan 13 23:40 |
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| yuhong | severe enough that they need to go to jail. | Jan 13 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | In the US of A, Big Criminals are rich, so they rarely go to jail. | Jan 13 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | Madoffocker is one example | Jan 13 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | The Madoffocker stole $50,000,000,000 from people all over the world and he's not in jail | Jan 13 23:41 |
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| yuhong | Yea, but do they need to? That is what I am asking for more detail. | Jan 13 23:41 |
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| yuhong | That is why I am asking for more detail. | Jan 13 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | If white-collar crime is tolerated, then it's endorsed | Jan 13 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Should we also endorse Unabomber? | Jan 13 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | *bomber | Jan 13 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... "According to The Wall Street Journal, Bartz has accepted the company's offer to replace Jerry Yang, the man who rejected a $47.5bn takeover bid from Steve Ballmer and Microsoft." | Jan 13 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | She could sell out... what do she care..? | Jan 13 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Sue Decker fought against iot | Jan 13 23:43 |
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| yuhong | In this case, the Madoffocker should pay it all back or go to jail. | Jan 13 23:43 |
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| yuhong | But is what MS and Intel execs did really that bad? | Jan 13 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | OR? | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | No | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | He committed fraud | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying if you stole money, then it's OK if you work and pay it back | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | And he CAN'T pay it back | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's a pyramid scheme | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| yuhong | And thus should go to jail. | Jan 13 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | Chair | Jan 13 23:45 |
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| yuhong | But is what MS and Intel execs did really that bad? | Jan 13 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | Like this guy: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Indus... | Jan 13 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | That's a separate case, re: Intel, MS. Scare crow.. | Jan 13 23:45 |
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| yuhong | Because yes maybe Intel/MS execs' crimes was really bad enough that they should go to jail, but I need more details to confirm this. | Jan 13 23:46 |
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| tessier_ | Jail? Hell, give 'em the chair! | Jan 13 23:47 |
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| tessier_ | Federal 'pound Ballmer in the ass' Prison followed by the chair. I bet Sweaty would conduct electricity quite well. | Jan 13 23:47 |
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| yuhong | tessier_: Again, is the crime really that bad? | Jan 13 23:49 |
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| MinceR | it's worse | Jan 13 23:49 |
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| MinceR | but we are merciful | Jan 13 23:50 |
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| yuhong | In other words, what specific crime did Intel/MS execs commit that is bad enough to suggest going to jail for? | Jan 13 23:50 |
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| MinceR | it's more like a long series of severe crimes, at least in the case of m$ | Jan 13 23:50 |
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| twitter | fruad, theft, destruction of competitors, retardation of the entire world's tech. It has literally killed people. | Jan 13 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | He put a straw man for you./ | Jan 13 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | Seattle spinner yuhong | Jan 13 23:52 |
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| yuhong | Shoreline spinner | Jan 13 23:52 |
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| twitter | these crimes have been well documented. | Jan 13 23:52 |
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| yuhong | Of course, not all spinners work for companies that spin, but some do. | Jan 13 23:53 |
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| yuhong | Are all these crimes crimes according to the law? | Jan 13 23:53 |
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| twitter | yes | Jan 13 23:53 |
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| twitter | the company and it's executives are convicted felons thanks to the anti-trust trial. | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| yuhong | "retardation of the entire world's tech" | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| yuhong | I know. | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| yuhong | "retardation of the entire world's tech" | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| yuhong | Do the law say this is a crime. | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Careful... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09/... | Jan 13 23:54 |
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| twitter | yes, they violated trust laws to do it. It is direct result, an aggravating circumstance and malice that should be considered when punishing the guilty. | Jan 13 23:56 |
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| twitter | Laws, often do follow morals. | Jan 13 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | He tries to inciae, I suspect | Jan 13 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | *incite | Jan 13 23:56 |
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| twitter | he's pretty damp. | Jan 13 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Mining quotes or setting up trap to scoop quote | Jan 13 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | cj played a similar game | Jan 13 23:57 |
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| twitter | most of them are. | Jan 13 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | They try to do this to some professors too. | Jan 13 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | For example, questions like "so should Bush be executed?" | Jan 13 23:57 |
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| twitter | Oh sure, classic trolls. | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | So be careful | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| cj | hmm? I did what? | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | They paste stuff from IRC later | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Someone said we should shut down IRC because of it. | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| twitter | I'm usually careful about what I say. Here too. They don't get much out of me. | Jan 13 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR expressed some strong opinions | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | (for example) | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| cj | schestowitz: but... you've got logs yourself... how was my pasting irc logs any sort of problem? | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Layoffs loom for Malaysian electronics sector < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9... > | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| MinceR | i have little patience for evil of ballmer's level. | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | cj: yes, regardless. | Jan 13 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Or Jobs | Jan 13 23:59 |
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