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| schestowitz | Story pulled: "Microsoft’s own Silverlight site prompts Linux users to download and install the open source alternative, Moonlight, on their computer as an alternative to Silverlight. Moonlight, however, is only compatible with Silverlight 1.0 and the SpeedServices website requires Silverlight 2.0." | Feb 11 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | "Most recently the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) came under fire for blocking non-Microsoft users from the Elections.org.za website. Users were greeted with an error message informing them that unless they used Internet Explorer on Windows they would not be allowed access. The IEC has subsequently opened its website to all users and now has a new landing page." Broken URL http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4064 | Feb 11 00:05 |
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| jose | schestowitz, i haven't received the confirmation from the ietf yet. should it take this long.. have you heard? | Feb 11 00:14 |
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| jose | i just sent you the one pager 6825 pdf | Feb 11 00:15 |
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| jose | via email | Feb 11 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent, thank you! | Feb 11 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, it's an automated E-mail with code in subject line | Feb 11 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Confirm: ietf@core3.amsl.com:gTGKHzSZH8XQ: a9XJCWdz5cngrXS0QWlrgYo-H0-IHSDG8EGbfg" | Feb 11 00:17 |
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| jose | send me back the final markup of pdf translations if you want me to do formatting | Feb 11 00:17 |
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| jose | let me check the spam box again | Feb 11 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Confirmation of list posting -- confirmation ID: gTGKHzSZH8XQ The ietf.org mailing-list server has received a list posting from ME .com to ietf@core3.amsl.com with the subject 'Patents in the Standard'" | Feb 11 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Ah! That's brilliant (the formatting) | Feb 11 00:18 |
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| jose | you use some sort of markup or tabs or something right? | Feb 11 00:20 |
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| jose | that confirmation you quoted was your reply, correct? | Feb 11 00:21 |
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| jose | .. was to your comment, right? | Feb 11 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | We separate new pages with <hr ./> | Feb 11 00:22 |
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| *schestowitz edits html | Feb 11 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Since we have the original PDFs, typos are not a big deal | Feb 11 00:22 |
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| jose | ok, so i won't kill myself checking typos... good to know | Feb 11 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Check your inbox | Feb 11 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | jose: also in Groklaw, they say "for accuracy//precision, check PDF" | Feb 11 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Else people say "Heh! There's a typo!! The WHOLE post is therefore BUNK!!!" | Feb 11 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | This one has garnered over 200 comments by now. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballmer_W... | Feb 11 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon that 100,000 or so people viewed the item, which is good because they are techies who will respond accordingly and lose trust in Microsoft, maybe even report them for abuse at some stage | Feb 11 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | jose: you're right, we need a good guideline in the wiki to instruct those who are willing to help us | Feb 11 00:31 |
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| jose | ok, thanks, i got the reply from you. i'll use it for reference | Feb 11 00:31 |
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| jose | have not gotten the ietf reply | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | I got mail from people who want to help with the Wiki, but it's not obvious to me how to assign them to things | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | jose: retry | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| jose | cc to fsf also? | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| jose | it's odd, i wish i knew what happened | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| jose | if time wasn't important, i might wait until tomorrow | Feb 11 00:32 |
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| jose | starting with translating would be useful right? if they don't mind | Feb 11 00:33 |
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| jose | this way you have time to think | Feb 11 00:33 |
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| jose | ..if they are really really anxious to help asap | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| jose | maybe we can use a part of the wiki to assign pdf | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| jose | person can sign up for up to a day | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| jose | when acknowledged by you, they can grab another | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| jose | at most anyone can have 3 reserved for themselves | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| jose | at any one time | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Varghese just mailed me too.. | Feb 11 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | I read ITWire regularly and I loved how he weaved together the evidence in his new piece. I have lots more of this. Let me dig some up. | Feb 11 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-piracy day? No thanks http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3405 | Feb 11 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | "China has long been seen as a fertile ground for Linux and other open source software. In a country where more than 90% of software in use is pirated, it seems like a natural fit." http://www.linuxinsider.com/st... | Feb 11 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Chinese demand free software from Gates http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chinese_de... | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Why Piracy Hurts Open Source http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000266 | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft seals its Windows and opens the door to Linux http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin... | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Exec Admits That Company Benefits From Piracy http://techdirt.com/articles/20070312/165448.shtml | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Piracy reduction can be a source of Windows revenue growth" http://wilshipley.com/blog/2007/02/pira... | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | jose: I didn't CC to anyone | Feb 11 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | jose: blog it too | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | (the letter re: patents) | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| jose | ok, i won't cc then | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| jose | the ietf right | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Moody always publishes his letters.. has more intensity this way | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| jose | you made up your own subject line right | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 11 00:41 |
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| jose | the ietf email subject heading.. we don't need to put anything special, right? | Feb 11 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news... "Both modules are said to ship with software, applications, and interfaces for Linux, Windows XP/Vista, and Windows Mobile, although licensing terms for the Linux drivers sources was not disclosed." Licensing TERMS? | Feb 11 00:44 |
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| jose | this is frustrating.. maybe they are blocking me.. i sent it in a few minutes ago.. usually replies are very quick | Feb 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/159258/the_day... "But there were numerous problems with Ruckus. Its flavor of DRM only played nice with Windows computers, and with the rise in popularity of the Mac, this posed a problem to many students. Also, because the DRM wasn't compatible with Macs, it also didn't work on iPods." What about GNU/Linux, IDG? | Feb 11 00:47 |
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| jose | or a few minutes.. though I know it could take days.. | Feb 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, they blovk YOU! You're on their No-FLY list | Feb 11 00:48 |
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| jose | maybe my yahoo account ships it out from a known spam location | Feb 11 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft silently bought Yahoo! after all. | Feb 11 00:49 |
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| jose | seriously, this bothers me | Feb 11 00:49 |
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| jose | i'll try google | Feb 11 00:50 |
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| jose | ha | Feb 11 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. http://www.openrbl.org/ | Feb 11 00:50 |
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| jose | i never use that account | Feb 11 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mob.net/~ted/t... | Feb 11 00:50 |
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| jose | not sure how i would use that tool | Feb 11 00:51 |
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| jose | you'd want to check from yahoo's servers to ietf right | Feb 11 00:51 |
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| jose | let me try googlemail | Feb 11 00:51 |
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| jose | i got the reply immediately when sent from gmail.. i hope the reply worked.. i'm not used to using the gmail account | Feb 11 01:01 |
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| jose | schestowitz, got another pdf? | Feb 11 01:01 |
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| jose | schestowitz, send me an email if you want another pdf.. gotta go very soon. | Feb 11 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, please | Feb 11 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | There is only one more Intel exhibut that's good | Feb 11 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | it's this one (billg on Linux): http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... (Linux discussed) | Feb 11 01:06 |
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| jose | just give me a deadline.. if i won't make it, i'll try to let you know ahead of time | Feb 11 01:06 |
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| jose | ok | Feb 11 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | jose: no hurry with this one. I have two more lined up.. just can't post yet because of server load, so I pace it down. | Feb 11 01:07 |
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| jose | ok, so then i'll get it done before March,.. that work for you? | Feb 11 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | I have in the pipeline: | Feb 11 01:07 |
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| jose | i ahve no rush either | Feb 11 01:07 |
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| jose | :-P | Feb 11 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Bill Gates et al Lean on Other Companies to Derail GNU/Linux as “Main Stream Operating System”" and "Bill Gates: “Intel should not just treat us as one of many”," | Feb 11 01:08 |
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| jose | let me recap the formatting i noticed from your reply: | Feb 11 01:09 |
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| jose | bold on from, sent, to, subject | Feb 11 01:09 |
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| jose | bold on things that stand out (like the Privilege that you center aligned) | Feb 11 01:09 |
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| jose | 5 hyphens on each side of Original Message | Feb 11 01:09 |
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| jose | and a single blockquote level | Feb 11 01:10 |
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| jose | also you said that pages are separated by br tag | Feb 11 01:10 |
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| jose | that fine? | Feb 11 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | jose: depends on the original really | Feb 11 01:10 |
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| jose | oh | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Some have bold face, some don't | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| jose | did not notice | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's hard to tell from the scans sometimes. | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| jose | i'll have to check | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | pages separated by <hr /> | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| jose | if doubt, i wont do that since it would be foolish to go to the extra trouble only to give you extra trouble | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| jose | sorry | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| jose | hr | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's best show using an example. | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | <b>sent</b> blah blah | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | <hr /> | Feb 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | I have many markup bits for reuse (cut and paste) where the 'template' is consistent./ | Feb 11 01:12 |
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| jose | ah, horizontal line.. had forgotten (i don't html very much at all) | Feb 11 01:13 |
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| jose | ok, so if there is serious indentation among replies you would do something besides a single blockquote | Feb 11 01:13 |
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| jose | ok | Feb 11 01:13 |
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| jose | i may do bolds and a few other things but i won't go crazy so as not to make things worse | Feb 11 01:14 |
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| jose | need to leave now ithink | Feb 11 01:14 |
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| jose | thanks for the help on the patent email ..and for pointing it out | Feb 11 01:14 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | roy? | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/... "Shannon VanWagner Says: February 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm - My kids have been using Linux for about 2 years and are loving every minute of it.My Son draws great art with GIMP and the Wacom tablet, uses openoffice.org and gmail Documents for school projects, and plays all sorts of games both on the local machine and online. " | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | Keep up the good work | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, mib_yqaj3lmw, what'sup? | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | We have many good posts coming | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Comes has proven rather effective. | Feb 11 01:16 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | i really like the topics that has been raised | Feb 11 01:17 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | its time for a big change | Feb 11 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow I'll post more than today, assuming the server isn't at risk. Also, tomorrow I spend the day at home, so.. | Feb 11 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | What change do you have in mind/ Technical? Legal? | Feb 11 01:17 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | you wouldnt quite believe so | Feb 11 01:18 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | id rather keep my identity private but im on your side | Feb 11 01:18 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | http://groups.google.com/group/co... | Feb 11 01:18 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | ive been going deep into things - im technical and im for the free community | Feb 11 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Ah... that's Gary puppets and some slime they manufacture. | Feb 11 01:22 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | alright :) | Feb 11 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | tacone just dropped me some message | Feb 11 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | USENET is filled with silmers employed by Microsoft (some are former Microsoft employees). There were caught before. | Feb 11 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | That USENET post is a lie too. | Feb 11 01:26 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | i was figuring out the same | Feb 11 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | They rely on gullible people believing this.. like they said earlier about me and other people that we are pedophiles and other such libel. Just ignore that,. | Feb 11 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Hello, Gary M. Stewart. How's Google Groups and the open proxy from Brazil working out? " (they make new nyms and post from zombie/honeypots) | Feb 11 01:27 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | its incredible that they are all getting this far its reaching out | Feb 11 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, | Feb 11 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | But it's OK | Feb 11 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | It means we do well at BN | Feb 11 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | The better we do, the more crazy they get | Feb 11 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | In recent days, as we've made Digg front pagers, they went more insane, calling me a "pedophile" repeatedly", sending me fake mails, stalking IRC, sliming me in OPs... | Feb 11 01:31 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | yeah :) | Feb 11 01:31 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | especially now with the economical crisis its starting to show, novell shows a big dent at the moment | Feb 11 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | I expect up to 1000 layoffs shortly | Feb 11 01:35 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | it will happen | Feb 11 01:35 |
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| mib_yqaj3lmw | this month | Feb 11 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | :-( http://cyrilleberger.blogspot.com/... | Feb 11 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | mib_yqaj3lmw: do you have info about layoffs? | Feb 11 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Don't ship KDE 4.2 with Qt 4.5. < http://vizzzion.org/... > | Feb 11 01:37 |
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| Syndicated888 | who here drinks monavie? | Feb 11 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | Not me. | Feb 11 02:46 |
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| twitter | does anyone know of a program to convert crontab to ics? | Feb 11 02:50 |
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| twitter | I'd like to see my cron jobs with a nicer interface. | Feb 11 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | kcron? | Feb 11 02:52 |
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| twitter | kcron does not lay things out like a calendar would. | Feb 11 02:53 |
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| twitter | I'd like to find a utility that converts to ics, so that I can use any calendar program. I happen to use KOrganizer but that's beside the point. | Feb 11 02:54 |
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| twitter | the version of kcron that I'm using won't sort recurring events like a calendar would. | Feb 11 02:55 |
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| twitter | so, I might make a schedule conflict between a recurring event and a one time event. | Feb 11 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | do sf.net serach for cron | Feb 11 03:01 |
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| twitter | sigh. no luck | Feb 11 03:08 |
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| Sage-X_ | hi | Feb 11 03:58 |
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| Sage-X_ | is there anyway to disable the sysadmin from looking at my desktop from his computer | Feb 11 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 11 04:02 |
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| schestowitz | Which system? | Feb 11 04:02 |
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| Sage-X_ | windows xp professional with novell jail | Feb 11 04:24 |
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| Sage-X_ | I just want to have a anaoymouse login | Feb 11 04:24 |
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| Sage-X_ | spelling today is bad | Feb 11 04:25 |
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| Sage-X_ | bye | Feb 11 04:37 |
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| schestowitz | Morning | Feb 11 10:04 |
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| oiaohm | Server side still causing you fun. | Feb 11 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Feb 11 10:11 |
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| oiaohm | Last message about load fun. | Feb 11 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, that. | Feb 11 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's under control now. | Feb 11 10:13 |
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| oiaohm | Nice to hear. | Feb 11 10:21 |
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| oiaohm | Nothing is worse than a server with the hickups | Feb 11 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | We might make the FP later today: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed... | Feb 11 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | I have better ones coming, though. | Feb 11 10:27 |
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| oiaohm | I am learning to hate wireless | Feb 11 10:29 |
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| amarsh04 | I deliberately bought an adsl2+ router *without* wireless | Feb 11 10:31 |
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| oiaohm | Ok today was evil. 3 computers had there onboard network cards fail. | Feb 11 10:32 |
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| oiaohm | Then to top it off wireless network ended up with interference. | Feb 11 10:32 |
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| amarsh04 | onboard = built-in? | Feb 11 10:33 |
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| amarsh04 | I hate it when they fail | Feb 11 10:33 |
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| amarsh04 | if it's the $10 secondhand realtek or 3com pci-card variety it's not so bad | Feb 11 10:33 |
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| oiaohm | Built on motherboard. | Feb 11 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | Worse when they fail the way these did. | Feb 11 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | They were still saying they were working. | Feb 11 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | Yep they can receive traffic but cannot send jack. | Feb 11 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | Half failure | Feb 11 10:35 |
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| amarsh04 | I wonder about the reliability of people using off-the shelf el-cheapo ethernet switches plugged industrial control equipment | Feb 11 10:37 |
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| oiaohm | Really depends on the el-cheapo. | Feb 11 10:37 |
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| oiaohm | Some of the el-cheapos are exactly the same internally as Cisco switches. | Feb 11 10:37 |
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| amarsh04 | one place I worked the furnaces for casting wheels depended on the dhcp server running which didn't automatically start up after the UPS ran out of power and mains power returned | Feb 11 10:38 |
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| amarsh04 | yes, but in those situations I'd like something with known electrical isolation characteristics | Feb 11 10:39 |
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| oiaohm | Place like that should have a back up generator. | Feb 11 10:40 |
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| amarsh04 | I'd have the IT guy instructing me to enter the computer room and restarting the right boxes one by one | Feb 11 10:40 |
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| oiaohm | Issue here is when they blow they blow. | Feb 11 10:41 |
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| amarsh04 | or more than one http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e... | Feb 11 10:41 |
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| amarsh04 | I don't like failures due to electrical isolation issues | Feb 11 10:42 |
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| amarsh04 | next time it may be you getting fried rather than the equipment | Feb 11 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Our Wiki starts getting spammed | Feb 11 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'll need to set up defenses | Feb 11 12:40 |
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| Eruaran | hello Roy | Feb 11 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Feb 11 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | BN wiki now identical to wikipedia style, only registered users can edit (due to spam) | Feb 11 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | Just submitted: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bill_Gates... | Feb 11 12:51 |
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| toros | hi | Feb 11 13:38 |
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| MinceR | hay | Feb 11 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 11 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: today i *hacked* into my colleges mail server (principals account :P) , i got some mails regarding MSDN acadamic alliance and ELMS can i send them to you? | Feb 11 15:25 |
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| *amarsh04 wonders why anyone would post something like that to a publicly logged irc channel | Feb 11 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Hey, zer0c00l | Feb 11 15:28 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 11 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I thought the same thing. | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Is there anything corrupt that you found? | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | they are proposing something called ELMS | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | let me send you the copy of that mail | Feb 11 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | I've never heard of it. | Feb 11 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | ELMS | Feb 11 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Who was the mail send to anyway? | Feb 11 15:31 |
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| zer0c00l | its for the principal | Feb 11 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | *sent | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Well, if you cracked to get there, I can't participate | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | its from Microsoft India Academic Team. | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | any way i thought it may help you | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 11 15:32 |
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| zer0c00l | no problem | Feb 11 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | if you put it on wikileaks, then it can be used | Feb 11 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like an unethical attempt to addict children like a mafia clan | Feb 11 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Drug addition so to speak..... | Feb 11 15:36 |
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| zer0c00l | ? | Feb 11 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://wikileaks.org/ | Feb 11 15:38 |
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| tacone | site down ? | Feb 11 15:55 |
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| *zer0c00l wonders which cms does boycottnovell uses? wordpress? | Feb 11 15:56 |
| schestowitz | site works now | Feb 11 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes | Feb 11 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is making noise in a press release about its poisonware: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/... | Feb 11 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Good: "Chip maker Microchip Technology Inc. said Tuesday it is no longer interested in buying Atmel Corp., another chip maker, and is withdrawing a slate of directors it had nominated to its board." http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-t... | Feb 11 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Nvidia posts massive Q4 loss < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... > | Feb 11 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Dead companies swept up: Chip maker Qimonda says must find buyer by April < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology... > | Feb 11 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is presenting along with MS now | Feb 11 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2... | Feb 11 18:25 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | hello | Feb 11 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | MSBBC cites its sponsor: Microsoft said so-called "malicious insider" breaches are on the rise and will worsen in the present downturn. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... > | Feb 11 18:26 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | read the article is it really gonna happen? | Feb 11 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | mib_jyq3n71j: hey, what's up? | Feb 11 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | mib_jyq3n71j: yes, there's more | Feb 11 18:27 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | really? i cant believe it | Feb 11 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | They refrained from doing this a year ago, as they had planned | Feb 11 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: qt opening up to proprietary development , which means big competition to mono grubbing gnome ....( I wonder if qt/kde will remain free of it ) | Feb 11 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | The pgpl thing? | Feb 11 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | *lgpl | Feb 11 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Feb 11 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | only found out about it yesterday | Feb 11 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | been busy | Feb 11 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's no big change | Feb 11 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Qt has been open to blobs for a long time | Feb 11 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | nope | Feb 11 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | its still not free for commerical usage | Feb 11 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | but it willl be | Feb 11 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | thats the whole point of the news | Feb 11 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Feb 11 18:32 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | is this going to be a downtime for Novell? | Feb 11 18:34 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | is it inminent the announcement of the layoffs? | Feb 11 18:36 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | I have heard that 16 mill profit loss has benn anounced recently. Is this correct? | Feb 11 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | mib_jyq3n71j: seems so | Feb 11 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Ron Hovsepian talked about it too | Feb 11 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | The update I got was regarding scale | Feb 11 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | mib_jyq3n71j: I think it was 17M (Q8 of 2008) | Feb 11 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | *Q4 | Feb 11 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Linux revenues (from its SuSE acquisition) have grown to 16% of the company’s total in 2008. However, Novell hasn’t had a decent year since 2004, losing money in 2008, 2007, and 2005 (if you exclude the Microsoft (MSFT) settlement), and eking out a 2% profit in 2006 that was lost again in 2007." http://seekingalpha.com/article/119118-sun-bu... | Feb 11 18:40 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | What connections do you have with Novell, becaus so far it is not public.....? | Feb 11 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's not with Novell | Feb 11 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Just in: Nokia Cuts R&D Staff in Response to Sales Slump < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159345/nokia_cu... > | Feb 11 18:41 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | So you have contacts with Ron? | Feb 11 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Feb 11 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Do you? | Feb 11 18:43 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | not really but i have some sources | Feb 11 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | RHovsepian@novell.com | Feb 11 18:47 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | yes i have this address too :-) | Feb 11 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Just published: Laid Off? How About Moving to India? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159315/laid_... > | Feb 11 18:49 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | you are positive Ron have said those things about the losses and layoffs but ............. | Feb 11 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | This could be an opening for globalisation in the bad sense of lowering wages and exacerbating work conditions, no benefits, etc. | Feb 11 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/s... "Addressing employees in Germany on Thursday, CEO Ron Hovsepian said he would have to make more employee cuts than he originally expected, according to published reports." | Feb 11 18:50 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | moving to India tech support but what about EMEA sales? | Feb 11 18:50 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | are going to also cut? | Feb 11 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | EMEA? | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Smid quit some time ago | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | He vanished | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Took a vacation.. never came back | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | i know suudenly to HP | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | I intend to write about it later | Feb 11 18:51 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | in your Blog? | Feb 11 18:52 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | when a so hight executive leaves a company so sudden or he got a really big offer or he was smelling something wrong is going to happen.....what do you think? | Feb 11 18:54 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | John Dragoon is also planning to leave the boat? | Feb 11 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | mib_jyq3n71j: yes, will blog it | Feb 11 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know about Dragoon though | Feb 11 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Some new people depend on him. He took over some of Volker's chores and got himself a *cough* Microsoft employee to receive reports from | Feb 11 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. Microsoft media is coming to France now?? http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-sl... | Feb 11 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Evesham Technology confirmed dead < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/... > | Feb 11 19:01 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | do you think that novell will close down in europe? | Feb 11 19:04 |
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| mib_jyq3n71j | resellers seems to be shaking...... | Feb 11 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | They already have some offices shut | Feb 11 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Think!=want | Feb 11 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | But Novell is likely to prioritise India. Ron said this in 2007/08 | Feb 11 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/1... | Feb 11 19:06 |
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| trmanco | wanna know another secret? | Feb 11 19:11 |
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| trmanco | this one is a goddie | Feb 11 19:11 |
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| trmanco | goodie* | Feb 11 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 11 19:12 |
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| trmanco | the public library near my school uses Ubuntu on some PC's | Feb 11 19:13 |
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| trmanco | isn't this great | Feb 11 19:13 |
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| trmanco | ? | Feb 11 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Unisys tastes recession red ink < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Feb 11 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | It is great. Is there an article about it? | Feb 11 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't the "LINUX company" unleash a press release. :-D | Feb 11 19:16 |
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| trmanco | I wish there was... | Feb 11 19:16 |
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| trmanco | these thing are never covered | Feb 11 19:16 |
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| trmanco | things* | Feb 11 19:16 |
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| trmanco | but I know that those Ubuntu computers were running Windows a couple of moths ago, they never had a "legal" windows licence | Feb 11 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Haha! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02... | Feb 11 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Is Google Quietly Laying Off Engineers? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/... | Feb 11 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Sirius XM Prepares for Possible Bankruptcy < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/tech... > | Feb 11 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | No, In-Flight Internet Is Not A Terrorist Threat < http://techdirt.com/art... > | Feb 11 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | ... the JPO has launched "Community Patent Review"? < http://eastmeetswest.european-p... > I never heard of it.......... kind of like peer2patent, but in the EU.... | Feb 11 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Software Patents and such . . . http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com... | Feb 11 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | LJ turns 15. Celebrating 15 Years of Linux Journal < http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10370 > | Feb 11 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Miserable catchup from Nokia... Nokia May Open App Store < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159172/no... > | Feb 11 20:32 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey roy! | Feb 11 20:47 |
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| wispygalaxy | anyone here? | Feb 11 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | hey | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi! :D | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | long time no see | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | im off for today | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| toros | hi | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | it's warm where im at | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey toros | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | off? | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | kids are playing frisbee outside my room | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | no class | Feb 11 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | No snow? | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | NJ, right? | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | nope | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | nj, yes | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | last week it was 25 F, now it's 65 F | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | O_o | Feb 11 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, Novell might have big news shortly. | Feb 11 20:51 |
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| wispygalaxy | what's will that be? | Feb 11 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | layoffs. | Feb 11 20:52 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh dear | Feb 11 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | I doubt they'll fire the Microsoft lackeys that ruin it (and Linux) from the inside. they'll probably hit the innocent ones. | Feb 11 20:52 |
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| wispygalaxy | aww | Feb 11 20:52 |
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| wispygalaxy | congrats on hitting the front page of digg, Roy | Feb 11 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Feb 11 20:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | np :) | Feb 11 20:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | is logger_bot okay? you guys had the digg effect a few days ago | Feb 11 20:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | lol | Feb 11 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | yeah, i needed to reset logger_bot | Feb 11 20:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | nooooooooooooooo! | Feb 11 20:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | jk | Feb 11 20:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | he still runs ubuntu, right? | Feb 11 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Feb 11 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do another Comes post | Feb 11 20:58 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool | Feb 11 20:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | i was reading the front page of bn | Feb 11 20:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | a lot of juicy stuff | Feb 11 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yep | Feb 11 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | We could use help | Feb 11 21:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | what type? :) | Feb 11 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | The antitrust exhibits mostly. | Feb 11 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Textifying them. | Feb 11 21:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | how can someone help | Feb 11 21:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh ok | Feb 11 21:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | i heard mozilla is after ms now | Feb 11 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?... | Feb 11 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | The text there is from the PDF, but it's not complete | Feb 11 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | There's OCRed text from the PDF inside it. | Feb 11 21:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh i see | Feb 11 21:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | so you need someone to type it out | Feb 11 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, please. | Feb 11 21:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | it would be easier to search the documents if they were in text | Feb 11 21:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | you can't search for specific words in this type of pdf | Feb 11 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 21:08 |
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| trmanco | 1.2 seconds on Sunspider with Gecko 1.9.1b3 :D | Feb 11 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | That's why it's valuable to have them analysed with full text. This was not covered before and it's very embarrassing to Microsoft. | Feb 11 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: you tried? | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| trmanco | used Seamonkey 2.0 a2+pipelining | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh i see roy | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yes | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | hello trmanco | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| trmanco | wispygalaxy, hello | Feb 11 21:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | i've been busy these past week, didn't have much time to stop by here :( | Feb 11 21:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | weeks* | Feb 11 21:10 |
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| trmanco | haha -> http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Feb 11 21:11 |
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| trmanco | "Colbert on Bill Gates and Mosquitos" | Feb 11 21:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | lol | Feb 11 21:12 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Feb 11 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | always wear bug spray around bill gates | Feb 11 21:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | :P | Feb 11 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | You can smell corruption when you see it. | Feb 11 21:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | kinda like synaesthesia lol | Feb 11 21:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | smelling via seeing | Feb 11 21:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | jk | Feb 11 21:17 |
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| trmanco | FAA network hacked: http://www.networkworld.com/co... | Feb 11 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yep | Feb 11 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Posted to BN | Feb 11 21:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | i saw that on slashdot | Feb 11 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/11/fed... | Feb 11 21:19 |
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| wispygalaxy | scary stuff | Feb 11 21:19 |
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| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link | Feb 11 21:19 |
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| trmanco | Windows does it again | Feb 11 21:19 |
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| trmanco | oh yeah, don't forget the .NET CRAP too!! | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | w3m -dump_head http://www.faa.gov/ | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Received cookie: AkamaiEdge=true | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | HTTP/1.0 200 OK | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | X-Powered-By: ASP.NET | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Content-Language: en-US | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Vary: Accept-Encoding | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Content-Encoding: gzip | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Content-Length: 7614 | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:24:29 GMT | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Connection: close | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Set-Cookie: AkamaiEdge=true | Feb 11 21:20 |
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| trmanco | what is next? crashing jets because of a forced reboot? | Feb 11 21:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | at least NASA uses linux | Feb 11 21:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | that's a relief haha | Feb 11 21:23 |
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| trmanco | not all of it uses Linux | Feb 11 21:24 |
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| mib_pqshme | wasn't there some news recently about the laptops on the ISS being infected with a virus? | Feb 11 21:24 |
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| wispygalaxy | yeah i know they use windows too | Feb 11 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: NASA had some Windows laptops | Feb 11 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | They caught viruses in space! | Feb 11 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | But you beat me to it... I see this now in the text..... | Feb 11 21:31 |
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| wispygalaxy | viruses in space, sounds like a sci-fi horror movie lol | Feb 11 21:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | i can't wait for debian to come out | Feb 11 21:34 |
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| wispygalaxy | it's cute how it's coming out on valentine's day | Feb 11 21:34 |
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| wispygalaxy | want to show your computer some love? install debian | Feb 11 21:34 |
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| wispygalaxy | :P | Feb 11 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | At least we know bacterial forms can evolve outside Eart | Feb 11 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will probably have satellite wars/races with China and Russia and lose space domination and funs run dry (11 trillion $$ in debt). | Feb 11 21:38 |
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| wispygalaxy | i don't want to be in the Microsoft shuttle during the race, too dangerous | Feb 11 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Don't worry, they upgrade to Vista ^_^ | Feb 11 21:43 |
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| wispygalaxy | at least they'll get Aero! | Feb 11 21:44 |
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| wispygalaxy | so how's manchester, Roy? what type of place is it | Feb 11 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 11 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry about lag | Feb 11 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's all right, depending on one's hobbies, I guess. | Feb 11 22:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | i always wanted to go to GB | Feb 11 22:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | thats okay roy :) | Feb 11 22:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | i like the music scene there | Feb 11 22:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | i just saw your new post | Feb 11 22:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | i was reading your personal blog, too | Feb 11 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | wb, jose | Feb 11 22:15 |
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| jose | schestowitz, there is an ugly article out.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/in... | Feb 11 22:15 |
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| jose | I posted the following http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph... | Feb 11 22:16 |
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| jose | Novell's proxy manages to take a swipe at openoffice/sun, firefox/google-mozilla, red hat, and linux.. in one shot | Feb 11 22:17 |
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| jose | while talking up meeks | Feb 11 22:17 |
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| jose | in my reply, i said what i felt were a number of important points | Feb 11 22:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | i g2g roy, see you soon! | Feb 11 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | What about Rainer Weikusat's comment? | Feb 11 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I hope so | Feb 11 22:20 |
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| jose | i think it's fine | Feb 11 22:20 |
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| jose | there is nothing scientific about that article's conclusions | Feb 11 22:21 |
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| wispygalaxy | take care! xx | Feb 11 22:21 |
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| jose | it's cherry picking stats to insert fud | Feb 11 22:21 |
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| jose | i don't want to attack the stats' | Feb 11 22:21 |
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| jose | without digging into the code | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | i know from years back that javascript had problems | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | still does | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | some of those numbers don't even make sense | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | math is math on the chip | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | to get worse from the os means you are doing something wrong | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jose | that's generally true for any comparison.. note we aren't talking about threading or anything like that | Feb 11 22:23 |
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| jose | i can tell you that unless it was fixed, the regexp engine on mozilla firefox is buggy in ways that the ie one wasn't | Feb 11 22:23 |
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| jose | ok not a big deal | Feb 11 22:23 |
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| jose | navigator. mozilla. firefox.. etc were designed for windows | Feb 11 22:24 |
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| jose | and have been optimized for it | Feb 11 22:24 |
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| jose | if you don't leverage what X os offers but do leverage what Y os offers, than you should expect better performance on the Y operating system | Feb 11 22:24 |
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| jose | but the article doesn't care to be fair | Feb 11 22:25 |
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| jose | it takes a stab at Microsoft obstacles | Feb 11 22:25 |
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| jose | including (without any stats to support it) at linux | Feb 11 22:25 |
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| jose | of course, a foss advocate might think that foss is better on windows | Feb 11 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, but I haven't seen the article | Feb 11 22:26 |
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| jose | on account of these two apps that have had millions poured into them for years to be optimized on windows and keep up with ms shanenigans | Feb 11 22:26 |
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| jose | well, if/when you do.. i linked to the lt story | Feb 11 22:26 |
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| jose | i could tell you about it, but it's easy to look and get the main point | Feb 11 22:26 |
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| jose | as you can tell, i am a bit bothered | Feb 11 22:27 |
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| jose | in part because I am not coding or designing | Feb 11 22:27 |
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| jose | it's insulting the article | Feb 11 22:27 |
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| jose | to make sweeping statements about linux, about foss, heck about firefox by cherry picking and insinuations | Feb 11 22:27 |
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| jose | the javascript engine | Feb 11 22:28 |
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| jose | isn't there supposed to be a faster one in the works by google | Feb 11 22:28 |
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| jose | just imagine if one of the few strong points of msware falls | Feb 11 22:28 |
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| jose | and i really wish these large companies would put more money on linux optimizations | Feb 11 22:29 |
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| jose | anyway, speed is not everything even if we wanted to accept this "story" | Feb 11 22:29 |
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| jose | it's a dirty article | Feb 11 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | jose: see http://ostatic.com/blog/novell... | Feb 11 22:29 |
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| jose | that one is filthy as well | Feb 11 22:31 |
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| jose | it's marketing gunk | Feb 11 22:31 |
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| jose | i was touched a bit more by the other one because it's also pseudo science and tries to submarine even more | Feb 11 22:32 |
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| jose | "touched" like when you are touched by a viper | Feb 11 22:32 |
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| jose | except that i am immune to their poison of course | Feb 11 22:33 |
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| jose | :-) | Feb 11 22:33 |
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| jose | while we are doing the monofest.. there is also this: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastruct... | Feb 11 22:33 |
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| jose | by sjvn | Feb 11 22:33 |
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| jose | i would not be surprised if he and others were paid for their timing | Feb 11 22:34 |
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| jose | schestowitz.. got any more pdfs? | Feb 11 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, certainylu. | Feb 11 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | I've also just posted this < http://boycottnovell.com/200... >, with attib. | Feb 11 22:36 |
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| MinceR | awesome >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Feb 11 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind... | Feb 11 22:37 |
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| jose | i won't stay on very long today/now | Feb 11 22:38 |
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| jose | will others be working on that same set of pdfs? | Feb 11 22:39 |
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| jose | i can grab one and then you can disable the link.. makes sense or no?.. schestowitz | Feb 11 22:41 |
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| jose | schestowitz.. oh, i see.. so you are transcribing via wiki.. | Feb 11 22:43 |
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| jose | great | Feb 11 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | This morning I forced registration to edit | Feb 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | We had spam | Feb 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | jose: no, no overlap. I'm working on some too | Feb 11 22:46 |
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| jose | is http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?... finished | Feb 11 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | It needs completion | Feb 11 22:47 |
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| jose | also, do you prefer the format where the emails are linear by date | Feb 11 22:47 |
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| jose | for example.. what is missing from that link | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | No, I think it ought to look identical | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | I have one post about NetPC | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Very ugly | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| jose | well the first email is at the end.. and it appears linear | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | They ran smear campaigns too | Feb 11 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it was made reversed. It ought not to be | Feb 11 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Well, unless it's stated in advance | Feb 11 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Like... "watch PDF" for the original in sequence | Feb 11 22:49 |
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| jose | the pdf's nest the emails.. oldest in front | Feb 11 22:50 |
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| jose | excuse me.. newest in front | Feb 11 22:50 |
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| jose | the webpage has oldest first and no nesting obviously | Feb 11 22:51 |
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| jose | schestowitz, i just noticed that i stopped reading the moonlight/novell/microsoft ad piece right before it quoted BN | Feb 11 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 22:53 |
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| jose | it's a shame they decided to focus on such a small item.. instead of bigger issues like patents or monopoly support and inevitable interop issues | Feb 11 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft style | Feb 11 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | top-posting | Feb 11 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | They do it wrong | Feb 11 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | They wrote an article before to daemonise us | Feb 11 22:54 |
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| jose | did Sam Dean ask you for input and you gave them that? | Feb 11 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | The "conspiracy theory" BS | Feb 11 22:54 |
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| jose | or was BN given their token word so as to appear impartial? | Feb 11 22:55 |
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| jose | (so that they would appear impartial) | Feb 11 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | jose: no, I was asked for no input | Feb 11 22:56 |
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| jose | i would think you would have mentioned more issues than simply that embed thing.. that's why i ask.. also because the arti reads worse than a press release ad | Feb 11 22:56 |
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| jose | good.. i was worried you had been. | Feb 11 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | I can only hope that more people look past the press releases of Novell/Microsoft | Feb 11 22:56 |
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| jose | the sjvn piece.. i didn't read it, but i'm judging from the title | Feb 11 22:57 |
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| jose | no wait.. sorry.. i think i did read it | Feb 11 22:57 |
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| jose | he needs to make a buck.. ok, but i expect that in addition the timing was coordinated | Feb 11 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Just got mail..."Thank you for being part of a crowd of hundreds of people who have mailbombed the mailboxes of thousands of IETF 'members' (since we don't have any formal membership, just an email list). As a result, we all have such positive feeling about the FSF." | Feb 11 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | It has worked, hopefully. | Feb 11 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | No standards in patents? | Feb 11 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | "The root of the problem is the IETF policy. This is a good opportunity to show that IETF policy is corrupted by the patent community." | Feb 11 22:59 |
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| jose | wait, aren't they saying that they don't like the fsf | Feb 11 22:59 |
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| jose | that sounded like sarcasm | Feb 11 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | "IETF has a policy accepting RAND standards. So you know what that means when they use undefined terms like this." (from FFII people) | Feb 11 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | fsf does this to Apple too | Feb 11 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | jose: I think it is. | Feb 11 23:00 |
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| mib_syrkwgcc | hi | Feb 11 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I've replied | Feb 11 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, mib_syrkwgcc | Feb 11 23:01 |
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| jose | good | Feb 11 23:01 |
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| jose | i need to check mailbox | Feb 11 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | If they are hostile towards feedback, I'll raise this | Feb 11 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | As if they say, "we welcome feedback as long as it's pro-RAND, but Freedom ain't our spiel" | Feb 11 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | I know people who treat and view activists as agitators | Feb 11 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom=agitation | Feb 11 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Got reply | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Indeed! I think you too would find it a bit tiresome around message #300 - | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | especially as most of us work in different areas - I have nothing do with | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | application stuff, I work on packet routing. | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for having a sense of humour - mine has worn pretty thin." | Feb 11 23:04 |
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| MinceR | finally IETF shows its colors | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Impatient self-servbing pricks? :-) | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| MinceR | i wonder if they were bought like Microsoft ISO or they have even less of a spine | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Feedback welcome... as long as it's praisee. | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| jose | noel wrote to you? | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | You too? | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| jose | is the reply to his personal email | Feb 11 23:05 |
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| MinceR | there's seriously no point in having standards organizations of any kind if this is what they can offer. | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| jose | he might just bucket all the replies | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | What's his role? | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Is he a senior? | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| twitter | RAND is BS. | Feb 11 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://ana.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/ | Feb 11 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | cs lab in mit | Feb 11 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | near rms | Feb 11 23:07 |
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| jose | rfcs are great. software patents aren't | Feb 11 23:09 |
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| jose | software patents, especially in monopolysoft's hands.. | Feb 11 23:09 |
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| jose | place large barriers to small consultancies and service providers | Feb 11 23:09 |
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| jose | increase overhead costs for everyone | Feb 11 23:09 |
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| jose | put users in difficult positions | Feb 11 23:10 |
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| jose | the MAD stalement is meant to keep the system alive | Feb 11 23:11 |
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| jose | but we then play in the courts of these guys | Feb 11 23:11 |
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| jose | these monopolies are overkill even in the best of cases we see | Feb 11 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Send_comments... | Feb 11 23:11 |
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| jose | gov granted monopolies | Feb 11 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, RMS puts it that way | Feb 11 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Government protection to those who fund presidential campaigns and stuff | Feb 11 23:12 |
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| MinceR | well, patent-encumbered rfc-s are coming | Feb 11 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | NEC rolls out 3D projectors < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/9... > | Feb 11 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Is Cisco fattening its wallet for acquisitions? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10161105-... > | Feb 11 23:15 |
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| twitter | Ina Fried spins single digit Vista use into a prediction of 50% adoption. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805... What a shill. | Feb 11 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | it's s shill. | Feb 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | That's just Microsoft mouthpiece... they send him/her mail to make some noise in Paul Allen-funded CNET | Feb 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | I think CNET is crumbling though | Feb 11 23:17 |
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| twitter | good riddance. | Feb 11 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Given it's Microsoft press status, it would be good for FOSS | Feb 11 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | ZDNet isn't in a great position | Feb 11 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | IDG lays off massively. | Feb 11 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Misclassified... why is Google's binary stuff making it into Linux/FOSS aggregators? Is Cisco fattening its wallet for acquisitions? | Feb 11 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.salon.com/tech/giga_om/clean_te... | Feb 11 23:20 |
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| twitter | Where do the Forester frauds get their data for deployment? http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1870 | Feb 11 23:24 |
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| twitter | Linux + Mac = 5% and W2K = 10% ? That smells. | Feb 11 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Raise your hand if you hate the word "crunch" | Feb 11 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Budget crunch", "credit crunch"... crunchy nut... are reporters so afraid of the D word? | Feb 11 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Ferrester have Microsoft as clients. | Feb 11 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | They were corrupted and made obsolete for example when they attacked Linux using Microsoft money | Feb 11 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ask Forrester if they visited Russia, Brazil etc and, if so , how the population was sampled | Feb 11 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | According to BN, Linux and Macs account for about 50%, not 5%. Just don't ask too many questions... trust The Facts. | Feb 11 23:28 |
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| twitter | Well, I've seen plenty of good migration plans and adoption stories for GNU/Linux that would put it well above the 2% claimed. | Feb 11 23:29 |
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| twitter | Here's the FAA, large enough to make a dent on it's own. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.... | Feb 11 23:29 |
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| twitter | here's 87% of businesses skipping Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Feb 11 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://host54.hostmonster.com/highload.html " This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota" | Feb 11 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Sad that... he got Slashdotted... and it's actually him who I learned about Coral from. | Feb 11 23:30 |
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| twitter | yeah, saw that. The last link, I believe, also had GNU/Linux adoption plans at 8%. That was two years ago and should have been expressed by now. | Feb 11 23:31 |
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| twitter | here's an article that said 9% of commercial developers were targeting GNU/Linux but only 8% targeted Vista. | Feb 11 23:32 |
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| twitter | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/203152 | Feb 11 23:32 |
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| twitter | In short, Forrester must be lying even about the US market. | Feb 11 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Try to get analysts' corruption accross in the press | Feb 11 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Journos rely on quoting these people | Feb 11 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | They are very much the same people.. PR/joruno/analysts.consultants | Feb 11 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Just changing hats as many of them do and the same companies fund both. It's an orgy of mind control. They impact sales... just chase the money and see who pays the bills (consulting, advertising, hirings) | Feb 11 23:36 |
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| twitter | here's a biological analog to M$ advertising dollars and the effect on editorial policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymothoa_exigua | Feb 11 23:36 |
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| twitter | " There are many species of Cymothoa,[3] but only C. exigua is known to consume and replace its host's tongue." | Feb 11 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | The world need to sort of arrive from the assumption that analysts are corrupt[ible] and lobbyists are criminal guns | Feb 11 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Only then can people assess the system in a sane fashion | Feb 11 23:36 |
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| twitter | It's a shame because analysts can and should perform valuable services. | Feb 11 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | To whom? | Feb 11 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Who pays for info? | Feb 11 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | They /sell/ info | Feb 11 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | That's why govt. subsidies are needed for something | Feb 11 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Alas, even some universities are not 'sold' the companies (i.e. private tyrannies), e.g. in France | Feb 11 23:38 |
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| twitter | Please don't suggest federal payments to Garnter and others. | Feb 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Sarkoism is neo-facism with private totalitarian entities running the population. | Feb 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, not to them | Feb 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Same goes for campaign advertiusing | Feb 11 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | At the moment, the election is just some PR show | Feb 11 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | People are treating it in this way too, according to public polls. They don't see it as a form real democracy. Just a bunch of companies grouping together to have a face elected for the public to be happy. | Feb 11 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | If Newspapers Went Offline For A Week... People Might Realize They're Fine Without Them < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > "Honestly, it's getting difficult to keep up with the massive amount of stories every day from old school journalists " | Feb 11 23:50 |
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| twitter | I don't see a lot of stories worth reading. | Feb 11 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| twitter | Mostly I see copy cat PR echo releases, and shallow, repetitive shit. | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| twitter | I don't see them anywhere. | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'm posting daily stuff, but news has dried up everywhere. | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | The economy is in "brace" mode | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| twitter | You manage to find a lot of good news. | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Comes is like news | Feb 11 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | I might do more of that at the expense of 'news' stuff. Comes was never explored properly and it shows a lot of white-collar crime | Feb 11 23:59 |
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| twitter | Comes evidence was never adequately explored. "Journalists" were too busy with bullshit. | Feb 11 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, publishable material | Feb 11 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Comes is not publishable because exposing crime does not pay | Feb 11 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Reposting PR does. | Feb 11 23:59 |
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