| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/13/soviet-... | Feb 24 00:08 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah I read that blog. The author tends to be rather biased in favor of apple, but what he says makes sense | Feb 24 00:15 |
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| Balrog_ | apple certainly is better than microsoft in many regards. they're no saints though | Feb 24 00:16 |
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| Balrog_ | (read in the present case) | Feb 24 00:17 |
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| Balrog_ | tense ** | Feb 24 00:17 |
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| MinceR | and they're worse than microsoft in other regards | Feb 24 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 24 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Roughly Drafted vilifies the other evil | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Like two foorball tema | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | One company against another | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing to do with frredo | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Just ego battles | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Like "penis envy", to use the Freudian term | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Mac vs PC | Feb 24 00:19 |
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| Balrog_ | though stuff like DRM and blocking debuggers ..... well that's probably a term of the license they signed with the media providers ..... and the DVD licensing groups | Feb 24 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | wb, twitter | Feb 24 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: Many people mis-perceived the Linux vs Windows situation | Feb 24 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | They also think of it as "Linux", the 'cheap' operating system | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| Balrog_ | Yes. They think it's mac vs. PC | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| twitter | been away for a while, anything really interesting happen over the last two days? | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| Balrog_ | when it's not really that way | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | This is disregard from the raison detre of the system | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's not brand competing (like Mac and PC) | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| Balrog_ | and Linux isn't a "cheap" OS exactly | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's philosophies or ways of life | Feb 24 00:23 |
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| twitter | the only thing more expensive than freedom is slavery. | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| Balrog_ | yes. | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| twitter | GNU/Linux is about as cheap as software gets. | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| MinceR | War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery. ;) | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| twitter | Unlimited potential | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| Balrog_ | the word cheap gives the impression of low quality | Feb 24 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | One side encourages sharing of our ideas. The other one encourages marginalising the poor. | Feb 24 00:25 |
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| twitter | that's why it's good to use the word "free" | Feb 24 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | Basically, one promotes helping neighbours (cooperation) | Feb 24 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | The other is dog-eat-dog, which extreme capitalism glamorises anyway | Feb 24 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | "it's my IP" | Feb 24 00:25 |
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| Balrog_ | well we'll see what happens with this iphone business. I think it's a little early to draw into conclusions... | Feb 24 00:26 |
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| Balrog_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protec... | Feb 24 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: "you're eat your worms and you *will* like them" | Feb 24 00:26 |
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| Balrog_ | about vista's kernel | Feb 24 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | *you'll | Feb 24 00:26 |
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| twitter | Vista is dead. | Feb 24 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: unlimited potential [to harm children] | Feb 24 00:27 |
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| Balrog_ | but windows 7? same story | Feb 24 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not in the minds of people | Feb 24 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of money in the hype mill | Feb 24 00:27 |
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| twitter | the phrase sounded like something Eric Blair would have liked. | Feb 24 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | PR people orchestrating it | Feb 24 00:28 |
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| Balrog_ | well the media can say whatever they want, but when it hits the market, if it sucks, people will hate it | Feb 24 00:28 |
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| twitter | They have been singing for years. More than two since launch.... fail. | Feb 24 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Vocabularies run thin | Feb 24 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | People's associations too | Feb 24 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | People are indoctrinated until they really believe that "free" means bad.. | Feb 24 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | Unless you're a "beggar" | Feb 24 00:29 |
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| twitter | Or that free means, "came with the computer" | Feb 24 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Community" is sometimes a bad word too | Feb 24 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's similar to "communism" (=Russia, USSR = bad in people's minds) | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| Balrog_ | that's one place where Apple doesn't seem to be causing problems... | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Sharing means "piracy" | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| twitter | yes, there's lots of hate built into the word "community" now. | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Means raping and stuff.. | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| Balrog_ | russian-style communism is really totalitarianism | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | "Community" is now perceived like "protest" | Feb 24 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | As in "The community is burning effigies new your neighbourhood" | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | *near | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: or socialism... Marxism just being a part of it | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| Balrog_ | well I haven't heard that terminology yet. | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| twitter | Black activists used the term "community" a lot before the internet. Broadcasters cut and pasted things together to make them look like idiots and made fun of the word. | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | The meaning of Libertarian was invested too | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | So that people cannot describe themselves in this way | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Diluting vocabularies. | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah :/ | Feb 24 00:31 |
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| twitter | tainting vocabulary | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Films intill images | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| Balrog_ | the thing with free software is that if you don't want to participate, you don't have to | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| Balrog_ | people don't get that | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | They dig dowqn into people's suppressed emotions. | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Brainwashing the masses That's what celebrities are partly about... | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | To an extent | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah. | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| twitter | they create fear | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Set up role model | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Then use them to call new rules | Feb 24 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Demonstrations can be shown as "Secary" | Feb 24 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Which daemonises unions | Feb 24 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | And suppressed democratising forces like labour unions. | Feb 24 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Without democratising forces, it's somehing else altogether | Feb 24 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | No referendums... just elections once in 4 years.. pseudo-elections run by the business community that funds them. | Feb 24 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Once in 4 years, they put on 'the show of democracy"... like the Olympic games :-) | Feb 24 00:34 |
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| twitter | shock and awe | Feb 24 00:35 |
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| MinceR | funny thing, the ussr never even got close to implementing communism | Feb 24 00:37 |
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| MinceR | all they've managed to do was a socialist dictatorship | Feb 24 00:37 |
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| twitter | byzantine managed economy | Feb 24 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | What about Cuba? | Feb 24 00:38 |
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| Balrog_ | read Animal Farm by orwell? | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| Balrog_ | he was a socialist by the way | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | I should, but haven't | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Cuba faces economic strangulations from just one country in the entire world. | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | BuShA | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Obama will hopefully mend this | Feb 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | As well as get rid of the torture 'states'. | Feb 24 00:40 |
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| Balrog_ | don't have high hopes in obama though | Feb 24 00:40 |
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| MinceR | cuba is the same as ussr, it only lasts longer. | Feb 24 00:40 |
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| MinceR | i don't trust obama either | Feb 24 00:41 |
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| Balrog_ | cuba is smaller, and doesn't kill millions of people | Feb 24 00:41 |
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| MinceR | he's a corporate puppet, he does whatever money tells him to. | Feb 24 00:41 |
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| MinceR | cuba doesn't kill millions of people because they can't afford it | Feb 24 00:42 |
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| MinceR | they've successfully bombed their economy to shreds with their planned economy | Feb 24 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | me neither | Feb 24 00:42 |
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| MinceR | and they didn't have the natural resources the ussr did | Feb 24 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | when he hired with MAFIAA type at Biden's request, then it deserves to be called OBAMAA | Feb 24 00:42 |
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| Balrog_ | yes | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | But some people love him | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | McBush would have been worse | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| Balrog_ | Cuba isn't any better than the USSR | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| MinceR | some people love ballmer, some people love gates, some people love jobs | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| Balrog_ | heh. I didn't like him | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| MinceR | people are stupid. | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| Balrog_ | I think all these people have flaws | Feb 24 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | > Balrog_> Cuba isn't any better than the USSR | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| Balrog_ | though ballmer is pretty obvious | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Just how bad is USSR? | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Compared to others... | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, USA and UK have colonialised for ages | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | But the countries tell the stories differently in the English language | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| Balrog_ | killing 10s of millions of people for no reason .... | Feb 24 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | That's Stalin. | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| Balrog_ | USA and UK treated slaves badly too | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah. Stalin was behind the USSR | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | China built the US to a degree. Railroads and all (I exaggerate here) | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | The whole country was hijacked from natives too | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| Balrog_ | or rather Chinese immigrants | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 24 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Indians too have origins there | Feb 24 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | 'Indians' rather | Feb 24 00:46 |
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| Balrog_ | the US (as it is now) was built by immigrants | Feb 24 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | They didn't have gunpowder on time. | Feb 24 00:46 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 24 00:54 |
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| mib_pj87jn | hi all | Feb 24 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Feb 24 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 24 02:04 |
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| mib_pj87jn | just finished my homework | Feb 24 02:05 |
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| mib_pj87jn | got a book to learn c programming | Feb 24 02:05 |
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| mib_pj87jn | so I can help linux | Feb 24 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | The kernel? | Feb 24 02:05 |
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| mib_pj87jn | yea | Feb 24 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | it's among the best known examples of C projects | Feb 24 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp... | Feb 24 02:06 |
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| mib_pj87jn | oh | Feb 24 02:07 |
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| mib_pj87jn | the book i got is actually c++ I think | Feb 24 02:08 |
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| mib_pj87jn | lemme check | Feb 24 02:08 |
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| mib_pj87jn | crap, left it at school I think | Feb 24 02:09 |
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| Balrog_ | linux is a lot of C++ too | Feb 24 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | Digital books are handy. You can copy and paste to run and hack. | Feb 24 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: it does? | Feb 24 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe in some modules, not the core..? | Feb 24 02:10 |
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| mib_pj87jn | so is c++ ok then? | Feb 24 02:11 |
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| mib_pj87jn | or should I return the book and get one for c? | Feb 24 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it is. | Feb 24 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | There are many options, but it's not syntax that count | Feb 24 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | *counts | Feb 24 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's about understanding methods and programming patterns. | Feb 24 02:14 |
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| mib_pj87jn | no idea what those are but ok | Feb 24 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | mib_pj87jn: http://www.amazon.com/Design-Patterns-Object-... | Feb 24 02:19 |
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| mib_pj87jn | thanks | Feb 24 02:22 |
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| mib_pj87jn | hopefully the library has that one | Feb 24 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's very commons one.. many libraries might have it in stock. | Feb 24 02:26 |
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| mib_pj87jn | have you heard of stackoverflow.com? | Feb 24 02:37 |
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| mib_pj87jn | friend told me it's good | Feb 24 02:37 |
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| mib_pj87jn | for programming questions | Feb 24 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't heard of it, sorry. | Feb 24 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's useful to learn from experience | Feb 24 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hacking on existing code, like RMS would suggest too. Download some KDE code and look through it... | Feb 24 02:42 |
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| mib_pj87jn | yea, I tried that but it's too confusing | Feb 24 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | Class names not familiar? | Feb 24 02:46 |
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| mib_pj87jn | just hard to understand what lines were doing | Feb 24 02:48 |
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| twitter | funny | Feb 24 02:48 |
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| twitter | "In the normal course of business, we may underpay or overpay in a bonus situation," said Lisa Brummel, the senior vice president of human resources for Microsoft. | Feb 24 02:48 |
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| twitter | They must use their own software to calculate pay. | Feb 24 02:48 |
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| twitter | is there something you would like to have working better, mib? | Feb 24 02:50 |
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| twitter | making small changes to existing code is a good way to learn | Feb 24 02:50 |
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| twitter | I think you can get K and R C without charge now | Feb 24 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about taking the task of writing patches for bug report | Feb 24 02:54 |
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| schestowitz | Learning while helping millions of users | Feb 24 02:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64P... skip to minute 3. | Feb 24 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | "Jupitermedia is changing its name to "WebMediaBrands Inc." The announcement comes along with the official sale of Jupiterimages to Getty Images for $96 million in cash." http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/23/ju... | Feb 24 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhh! I found out what caused the tabbing issue... stupid theme was broken | Feb 24 10:02 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Feb 24 10:05 |
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| oiaohm | Hi all | Feb 24 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 24 10:08 |
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| oiaohm | My normal machine is now felling like normal that it does not have 8 harddrives connected. | Feb 24 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | Good news to Linux this week | Feb 24 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | :-) 8? | Feb 24 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | SupeRAID | Feb 24 10:08 |
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| oiaohm | Data recovery. | Feb 24 10:10 |
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| oiaohm | Main OS takes 2 on raid mirror raid so its stable. | Feb 24 10:10 |
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| oiaohm | 2 disks from a raid I imaged from onto another 2 drives. | Feb 24 10:11 |
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| oiaohm | and 2 drives for testing rebuilds on. | Feb 24 10:11 |
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| oiaohm | Yep does not take long to being in harddrive hell doing recoveries. | Feb 24 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like fun | Feb 24 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Feb 24 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | Tobaco Company Offers Perks to British Parliamentary Aides < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8229 > | Feb 24 10:26 |
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| oiaohm | Exacty what do you call the best news this week schestowitz | Feb 24 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure about "best", but whilst Microsoft and Apple are in a standstill, Linux made many big announcements and releases. | Feb 24 10:31 |
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| oiaohm | X11 1.6.0 in final shake down. | Feb 24 10:32 |
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| oiaohm | I the best of me. | Feb 24 10:32 |
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| oiaohm | I/IS | Feb 24 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, cyad | Feb 24 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | I've asked the 451 Group who sponsors them. 3 people, no answer... so they would rather not say who buys influence from them. And they visited Redmond last year, which is why this seemed necessary. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/09/rav... | Feb 24 10:53 |
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| oiaohm | http://officeshots.org/ Interesting idea. | Feb 24 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://browsershots.org/ | Feb 24 11:22 |
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| oiaohm | before browser shots there aways had been browser compare sites. | Feb 24 11:23 |
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| oiaohm | I cannot think of a site that compared Office programs format compadiblity before. | Feb 24 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | And Now It's Twitter That's Evil < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > | Feb 24 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Jobs to skip Apple shareholders meeting < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/24/jobs... >. Apple has been eerily quiet recently... no news, nothing of substance, slowing business. | Feb 24 11:56 |
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| trmanco | meh, know what... Gmail is down | Feb 24 11:56 |
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| trmanco | http://mashable.com/2009/02/24/gma... | Feb 24 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Soon will come the Microsoft talking points with FUD like "that's why 'clouds' are no good" | Feb 24 12:00 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, it is working fine | Feb 24 12:00 |
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| trmanco | if you access it via IMAP it works, people are just to dependent on the web interface | Feb 24 12:01 |
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| trmanco | http://mashable.com/2009/02/24/gma... | Feb 24 12:01 |
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| trmanco | oh crap | Feb 24 12:01 |
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| trmanco | sorry for the dupe link | Feb 24 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/old/conte... "Perspective: Hollywood is talking off the record about its real reason for wanting DRM?opportunities to sell you back your rights." | Feb 24 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://globalscaletechnologies.com/t-she... Wonder how long before they embed networking over power into this. | Feb 24 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting chart: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/02/how-... | Feb 24 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/us/politi... "An article last Sunday about Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, misspelled the surname of the then-governor of Illinois who talked with Mr. Emanuel about the vacant Senate seat in his state. He is Rod R. Blagojevich, not Blogojevich." | Feb 24 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | We got cited in Beta News: "One developer contended in the Boycott Novell blog that, "as time goes by, Novell becomes more and more like a reflection of Microsoft, especially in the technical sense."" | Feb 24 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I told you. Microsoft folks (Kelly Fiveash ) uses Google downtime to slam 'the cloud': http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Feb 24 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | "UK network operator Vodafone has confirmed it is laying off 500 staff in its continuing effort to cut costs in the face of falling profits." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/... | Feb 24 13:39 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, you talking about this-> "Updated Google's Gmail has once again plummeted out of the cloud and the company is scurrying to fix the problem nearly an hour after it went titsup." | Feb 24 13:39 |
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| trmanco | right? | Feb 24 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, whatever they say to reduce confidence in Google. it's always the MSFTers who use this as slime opportunity. But not when ms.com and live/msn are down... | Feb 24 13:40 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, It never been down | Feb 24 13:40 |
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| trmanco | IMAP is working, and I'm sure pop was working too | Feb 24 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia takes $.6 bn.. < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > probably shows they bet the farm on Symbian | Feb 24 13:41 |
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| trmanco | the SMTP server was also working at well, people have to shut up and search for alternatives to access Gmail when this happens | Feb 24 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | To a lot of people, E-mail is Blue E | Feb 24 13:41 |
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| trmanco | and some people should also stop being web-o-dependent | Feb 24 13:42 |
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| trmanco | Blue E for what? Exchange? | Feb 24 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Flash memory maker Spansion is cutting approximately 3,000 jobs, or 35 per cent of its workforce." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02... | Feb 24 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: Explorer. They use Web mail. | Feb 24 13:42 |
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| trmanco | the 502 error is related to load issues | Feb 24 13:43 |
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| trmanco | maybe Google forgot to do some maintenance | Feb 24 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | MS PR blunder: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1... | Feb 24 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Gmail down and out < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Feb 24 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Webmail down, not Gmail | Feb 24 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | " pop3 & smtp works " | Feb 24 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | (from the comments) | Feb 24 13:45 |
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| trmanco | and IMAP too | Feb 24 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Yeah, Gmail stopped working for 2 hours. Bit of a storm in a tea cup. Who cares if I can't access my mail for an hour or two. Considering the fact that the global economy has collapsed it's a small relief to be email free for a morning. Cup of tea anyone? " | Feb 24 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsofters catch every moment of Google downtime, to capture and dramatise | Feb 24 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Doug has been posting in USENET about several Microsoft downtimes in the past week. I was also to reproduce... it was down badly. | Feb 24 13:47 |
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| oiaohm | Hot mail was off line for a week once | Feb 24 13:47 |
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| oiaohm | So I really don't see where MS guys can speek. | Feb 24 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | OMG. Look at this picture: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/129/10511... | Feb 24 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't face-twisting a little over the line? It's like Elephant Man.. | Feb 24 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what year? I didn't know that | Feb 24 13:48 |
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| trmanco | I was to late to confirm if there was MS downtimes or not | Feb 24 13:48 |
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| trmanco | hotmail is a real piece of shit compared to Gmail | Feb 24 13:49 |
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| trmanco | hotmail€«s spam filter sucks, it doesn't know the difference between real spam and legit email 90% of the times | Feb 24 13:50 |
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| trmanco | no imap access, they have pop access I think, but are we still living in the computer ice age? | Feb 24 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | They blocked Pop3 after a while I think... or was it Yahoo? | Feb 24 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | I had a Yahoo mail account around 1999-2001, I think | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Then they stopped Pop3. | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| trmanco | I don't recall Yahoo having pop3 access at all, maybe I'm living under e rock? :-P | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | They could still offer POP3 to high-paying customers | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: no, they stopped it when you were like 11 :-D | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| trmanco | yeah, I opened up a yahoo account 4 years after that | Feb 24 13:52 |
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| trmanco | of yeah | Feb 24 13:53 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 24 13:53 |
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| trmanco | oh* | Feb 24 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | So I used my CS account for a while, then registered schestowitz.com after someone advised me to | Feb 24 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | With your own domain you can set up different accounts (say.. 22 in my case) and manage the routing based on addresses) | Feb 24 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... | Feb 24 13:55 |
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| trmanco | wow | Feb 24 13:56 |
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| trmanco | 2.5 years | Feb 24 13:56 |
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| trmanco | outlook is bloated | Feb 24 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/... | Feb 24 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | I really forgot just how much I sued to write in a personal blog many years back.. the same still holds true.. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archive... | Feb 24 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | MSBBC also with the FUD: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech... | Feb 24 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | "MPs are getting more adept at using the internet - but they tend to see it as way of talking to rather than hearing from voters, new research suggests." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi... | Feb 24 14:00 |
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| trmanco | ah Horde | Feb 24 14:01 |
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| trmanco | this is what my ISP contributes | Feb 24 14:01 |
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| trmanco | and uses on there Email service | Feb 24 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | Horde is not fast, but i spent hundreds of hours on it.. it's decent if you move a lot | Feb 24 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Also, bear in mind that was in 2004ish (until 2007), so the options available at the time were different. I was working from 3 different locations back then... home, work, university. | Feb 24 14:03 |
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| trmanco | I like roundcube | Feb 24 14:04 |
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| trmanco | http://roundcube.net/ | Feb 24 14:04 |
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| oiaohm | When Microsoft took over hotmail schestowitz | Feb 24 14:05 |
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| oiaohm | There was a nice big server screwup. | Feb 24 14:05 |
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| oiaohm | They tried raidly coverent a freebsd system ie hotmail to windows servers. | Feb 24 14:06 |
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| trmanco | yeah I was told this some time ago | Feb 24 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Can A Link, By Itself, Be Copyright Infringement? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090223/0214513863.shtml > | Feb 24 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | tanderson: doyou know Tiago Manco < http://digg.com/users/tyagv >? He just added me as a friend. | Feb 24 14:20 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, that is my a family relative of mine | Feb 24 14:21 |
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| trmanco | I share your BN posts with him | Feb 24 14:22 |
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| trmanco | he likes what you write too | Feb 24 14:22 |
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| trmanco | remove my* | Feb 24 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, thanks. | Feb 24 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox 3.1 Won't Ship This Quarter < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160045/firef... > | Feb 24 14:25 |
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| trmanco | ahh crap | Feb 24 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | Micron to Lay off as Many as 2,000 in Boise < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160067/micro... > | Feb 24 14:26 |
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| trmanco | it probably won't make it into Jaunty (Stable build) | Feb 24 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | I want Ogg support in the browser already ) | Feb 24 14:27 |
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| trmanco | so do I | Feb 24 14:27 |
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| trmanco | and faster javascript | Feb 24 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva only moved in FF3 last week (well, at repo level) | Feb 24 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | JavaScript? You run that thing. :-) | Feb 24 14:28 |
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| trmanco | There are PPA's out there with FF 3.1, but I don't feel comfortable installing it just yet | Feb 24 14:28 |
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| trmanco | Of course I run Javascript :-P | Feb 24 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | This speeds JS up a lot: http://noscript.net/ | Feb 24 14:29 |
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| trmanco | Worker threads sound promising | Feb 24 14:29 |
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| trmanco | yeah, adblock also increases page load time | Feb 24 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Increases? | Feb 24 14:32 |
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| trmanco | sorry, decreases | Feb 24 14:33 |
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| trmanco | I was still thinking about javascript | Feb 24 14:34 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 24 15:24 |
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| trmanco | Safari 4 is out | Feb 24 15:24 |
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| trmanco | it is worth mentioning because of it's rendering engine | Feb 24 15:24 |
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| MinceR | yay, new version of the malware masquerading as a browser :> | Feb 24 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | The fanboits in Digg must be going wild... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi... | Feb 24 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | *sunny typo there.. boi.. fanbot ... | Feb 24 15:26 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 24 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | U.S. Stocks Close At 12-year Lows As Financial Worries Mount < http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/stocks-close--... > | Feb 24 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Obama said there would be Change | Feb 24 15:28 |
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| trmanco | http://video.golem.de/desktop-applikationen/... | Feb 24 15:28 |
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| MinceR | where once was Banknote, now is Change | Feb 24 15:29 |
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| *schestowitz thinks Shuttleworth must be busy because he's never shaved in recent interviews | Feb 24 15:30 |
| trmanco | LOL | Feb 24 15:30 |
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| trmanco | it's his style | Feb 24 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: "Change please" http://k43.pbase.com/u39/britishbe... | Feb 24 15:32 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Feb 24 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa... | Feb 24 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64Pgm-YJ4s&... skip to minute 3. Turns out that in the great depression corporations were blamed as well, so propaganda from Bernays and other scum was invoked | Feb 24 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's also interesting to see Goebbels and the US president there like a couple of chums exchanging ideas.. | Feb 24 15:35 |
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| trmanco | http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/... | Feb 24 15:42 |
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| trmanco | qq.com | Feb 24 15:42 |
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| trmanco | weird, it uses apache though | Feb 24 15:42 |
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| trmanco | IE 8 still does not resize text sized in pixels: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200902/ie_... | Feb 24 15:44 |
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| trmanco | say hello to figlet and toilet http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/create-large-c... | Feb 24 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "echo 'toilet -f mono12 -F metal nixCraft' >> ~/.bashrc" | Feb 24 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | "toilet .. mono" | Feb 24 15:59 |
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| trmanco | oops | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| jose | schestowitz, can you search for the conversation here several days back about the mono bug report to arch linux? | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| balzac | lart | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| jose | i don't have note of it because it was irc.. | Feb 24 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/index.php?... | Feb 24 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure what to search for exactly. | Feb 24 16:02 |
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| jose | ok, i forgot.. search pulls things out of irc logs | Feb 24 16:04 |
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| jose | i'll do it | Feb 24 16:04 |
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| jose | i found that search doesn't pull things out of comments to blog postings | Feb 24 16:04 |
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| jose | will look for it now, but seems it was on the 13th | Feb 24 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | You can use Google search on the site (right hand side menu) | Feb 24 16:09 |
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| jose | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/14/irc... | Feb 24 16:10 |
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| jose | i typed in freenode and searched a few pages or irc logs backwards | Feb 24 16:11 |
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| jose | yes, i do usually use google with site:www.boyc.... | Feb 24 16:11 |
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| jose | "usually" for a short time actually since i only started using the site tag recently seeing some examples of what you posted here | Feb 24 16:12 |
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| jose | ok, i did use google before.. just not without the site tag but i might add boycottnovell.com to the search | Feb 24 16:13 |
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| balzac | I'm going to watch that video series about mass persuasion | Feb 24 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | There are many like that. Truly disturbing. | Feb 24 16:14 |
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| balzac | well, there's going to be group psychology in any context | Feb 24 16:15 |
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| balzac | the problem is when people have bad taste, or worse, no taste and no sense of humor | Feb 24 16:15 |
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| balzac | fascism and totalitarianism arise from life without style | Feb 24 16:16 |
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| MinceR | i think they arise for blatant disregard for freedom | Feb 24 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Death by Poking? < http://www.linuxjournal.com/conte... > | Feb 24 16:16 |
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| MinceR | mostly on the part of the population | Feb 24 16:16 |
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| balzac | MinceR: they always claim to be liberators | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Of course | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| balzac | they think freedom comes from destroying "degeneracy" | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Even the propaganda is "to save democratic values" | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| balzac | which is how they view art and lifestyle | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Which is funny because propaganda eliminates democracy | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | It tells people what to think and how to feel | Feb 24 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | "be scared... feel hateful of <them>... support our troops" | Feb 24 16:18 |
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| MinceR | balzac: then it might also come from not understanding what freedom is | Feb 24 16:19 |
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| trmanco | why does Microsoft insist in knowing what security is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us... | Feb 24 16:29 |
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| trmanco | look how confusing it is to rewrite urls in .NET | Feb 24 16:29 |
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| trmanco | yet another hole in Excel http://www.h-online.com/security/Critica... | Feb 24 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen it :-) | Feb 24 16:31 |
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| trmanco | maybe this was the cause for microsoft to start asking for refunds to its ex-employees | Feb 24 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add another to URL list: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160082/atta... | Feb 24 16:31 |
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| trmanco | "An unknown hacker, breeched there systems and changed some cells in excel" | Feb 24 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe they tried xlsx (or whatever extension happily accepts bugs as standards) | Feb 24 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | OOXML is a standretrard. | Feb 24 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Look ma! No brown. http://www.junauza.com/2009/02/ubuntu-... | Feb 24 16:33 |
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| trmanco | "Impact: A remote user can create an Excel file that, when loaded by the target user, will execute arbitrary code on the target user's system." | Feb 24 16:34 |
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| trmanco | Brown served Ubuntu for long | Feb 24 16:34 |
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| MinceR | finally the Age of Brown is over :> | Feb 24 16:35 |
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| MinceR | but what's the new color? | Feb 24 16:35 |
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| balzac | I don't like the beige skin-color | Feb 24 16:35 |
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| MinceR | my guess is green, but i haven't seen any info on it | Feb 24 16:35 |
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| balzac | I don't want my computer to look like various human skin-tones | Feb 24 16:36 |
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| balzac | Also, I find myself dropping gnome applications | Feb 24 16:36 |
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| balzac | I don't want anti-aliasing on my terminal fonts, so I use xterm instead of gnome terminal | Feb 24 16:36 |
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| trmanco | I like brown, dark brown from the dark room theme | Feb 24 16:37 |
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| balzac | I don't want the complicated, mouse-driven UI of xchat, so I use irssi | Feb 24 16:37 |
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| trmanco | irssi doesn't fulfill my needs | Feb 24 16:37 |
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| trmanco | I'm in 18 channels spread across 3 networks | Feb 24 16:38 |
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| trmanco | I would prefer to use emacs+irc extension | Feb 24 16:38 |
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| balzac | irssi can handle 19 channels and multiple networks | Feb 24 16:38 |
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| balzac | I'll have to check out erc more closely | Feb 24 16:38 |
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| trmanco | balzac, I know, but it is a little confusing | Feb 24 16:39 |
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| balzac | I use emacs every day, but it is deep | Feb 24 16:39 |
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| balzac | the shortcut key-bindings | Feb 24 16:39 |
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| balzac | ? | Feb 24 16:39 |
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| MinceR | i do want antialiasing :) | Feb 24 16:39 |
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| MinceR | irssi can handle hundreds of channels | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| balzac | yeah | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| balzac | but then you go beyond the key-board shortcuts which is a trivial matter | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| MinceR | you can make more shortcuts | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| balzac | you have to use special short-cuts to reach channels beyond 19 | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| MinceR | i have shortcuts up to window 52 (alt+shift+B) | Feb 24 16:40 |
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| balzac | i'm an irssi newb | Feb 24 16:41 |
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| MinceR | and /number aliases for even further | Feb 24 16:41 |
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| balzac | but I always pick great software and irssi is quite nice | Feb 24 16:41 |
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| balzac | I'm liking the colored fonts inside gnu screen | Feb 24 16:42 |
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| trmanco | yeah, shortcuts, I'm not very good at them (keyboard) | Feb 24 16:42 |
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| balzac | not sure why my bash sessions are lacking color in the gnu screen session... | Feb 24 16:42 |
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| balzac | irssi has colors inside screen | Feb 24 16:43 |
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| balzac | A new version of Bash has been released | Feb 24 16:43 |
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| balzac | it's pretty exciting | Feb 24 16:43 |
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| balzac | I'm excited about emacs 23 as well | Feb 24 16:45 |
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| balzac | GNU POWER | Feb 24 16:46 |
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| balzac | HARD POWER | Feb 24 16:46 |
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| trmanco | yeah, aliased fonts | Feb 24 16:48 |
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| trmanco | anti-aliased * | Feb 24 16:49 |
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| balzac | you've got to have a high resolution monitor or the anti-aliasing actually degrades readability | Feb 24 16:52 |
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| MinceR | there's more to it than that, like correct hinting configuration | Feb 24 16:54 |
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| MinceR | but my laptop is 1920x1200 and most of my desktops are at 1680x1050 | Feb 24 16:55 |
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| balzac | well, I like xterm with the font-size set at the second from the largest | Feb 24 16:56 |
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| balzac | crisp, big, mono-space | Feb 24 16:56 |
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| MinceR | i like urxvt with "xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:size=14" for irssi | Feb 24 16:56 |
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| balzac | dark bg, white or light-grey text | Feb 24 16:56 |
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| MinceR | and konsole with DejaVu Sans Mono at 11 for everything else | Feb 24 16:57 |
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| trmanco | meh, console g33ks :-P | Feb 24 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | n00bs :-) | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| trmanco | my console font is monospace | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| trmanco | at 12 px | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | L33t lxers user Word | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| MinceR | w3rd. | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| trmanco | anti-aliased I think | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Word up! | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| balzac | any font which is not monospace is more for writers than programmers | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| trmanco | gr8 | Feb 24 16:58 |
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| MinceR | http://www.encyclopediadramatica... | Feb 24 16:59 |
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| trmanco | my text color is green and my background color is black | Feb 24 16:59 |
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| MinceR | i prefer most of my gui to be proportional | Feb 24 16:59 |
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| MinceR | but obviously it doesn't make sense for a text terminal | Feb 24 16:59 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 24 16:59 |
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| trmanco | nice image MinceR | Feb 24 17:00 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: Supreme Court sides with Rambus | Feb 24 17:00 |
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| balzac | The column text operations are necessary | Feb 24 17:01 |
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| Balrog | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Feb 24 17:01 |
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| balzac | now I'm trying to learn to use lynx or some other text-based browser | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| trmanco | balzac, use w3m | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| balzac | for more efficient browsing sessions with time wasted on rendering pages | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| MinceR | links2 ftw | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| Balrog | what about elinks? | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| balzac | with *no* time wasted | Feb 24 17:02 |
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| balzac | MinceR: I'll check it out | Feb 24 17:03 |
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| Balrog | (that's what I use) | Feb 24 17:03 |
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| balzac | Also, I need to get handy with cURL for abusing web-services | Feb 24 17:03 |
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| trmanco | balzac, preparing a DoS attack? | Feb 24 17:04 |
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| trmanco | :-p | Feb 24 17:04 |
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| jose | Balrog, that's great news for Microsoft. | Feb 24 17:04 |
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| balzac | no, but I do want to automate my interactions with tedious web applications | Feb 24 17:04 |
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| Balrog | jose: about Rambus? | Feb 24 17:04 |
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| jose | yes | Feb 24 17:05 |
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| Balrog | so Rambus sneaking in patented standards is good? | Feb 24 17:05 |
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| jose | patented standards are heavenly for the sort of business they run | Feb 24 17:05 |
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| jose | not good at all.. for me and most everyone on the planet | Feb 24 17:05 |
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| Balrog | because the supreme court sided with Rambus | Feb 24 17:06 |
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| jose | it says something about standards orgs | Feb 24 17:06 |
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| jose | and trust | Feb 24 17:06 |
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| jose | now everyone will want to submarine their patents | Feb 24 17:06 |
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| jose | hope freedesktop.org remains relatively safe | Feb 24 17:07 |
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| jose | they adopt other's standards though | Feb 24 17:07 |
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| jose | also lsb | Feb 24 17:07 |
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| jose | schestowitz, sjvn wrote about redhat coming back to the desktop scene in a formal and focused manner. | Feb 24 17:09 |
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| jose | to what extent is that exaggerated? | Feb 24 17:09 |
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| jose | i had heard they had backed out of that space | Feb 24 17:10 |
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| jose | cost-effectiveness | Feb 24 17:10 |
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| jose | the virtualization plays, advances in desktop, and various other things may have helped them re-evaluate | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | it's strategic for them to have a formal desktop | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | important to fight novell | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | brandioch conner.. | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | at the time wrote about how ubuntu would steal their lunch | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | because they focused on desktops.. which got people to try it.. and then feel comfortable and move to the server. | Feb 24 17:11 |
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| jose | i know they have fedora, so not sure the significance despite being a good point | Feb 24 17:12 |
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| jose | anyway, rht apparently has always had a desktop offering | Feb 24 17:12 |
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| jose | they need to challenge microsoft+novell at the desktop | Feb 24 17:12 |
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| jose | the issue for them i guess is support | Feb 24 17:13 |
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| trmanco | https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyU... | Feb 24 17:14 |
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| jose | Balrog, not sure what you meant by your last comment, but i suppose instead of "planet" i should have said "those affected by this decision".. it may help set a bad pattern like the software patents decision of decade or two ago. | Feb 24 17:15 |
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| Balrog | I get it now | Feb 24 17:18 |
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| Balrog | in any case, it's not fully final | Feb 24 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, I write about Rambus right now. | Feb 24 17:21 |
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| trmanco | How long will guys think before Safari works in Wine? | Feb 24 17:22 |
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| trmanco | place your bets :-P | Feb 24 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Send safari to the lions | Feb 24 17:25 |
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| trmanco | lions are in Africa | Feb 24 17:26 |
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| MinceR | why would anyone want to run safari in wine? | Feb 24 17:31 |
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| trmanco | to prove how good WINE is | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| trmanco | the more apps it runs, the better | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| balzac | why would anyone want to run safari? | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| trmanco | balzac, I dunno that one | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| balzac | well, wine will always be a couple steps behind the latest version | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| balzac | of windows | Feb 24 17:32 |
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| balzac | it provides the opportunity to legally run windows apps without a windows license | Feb 24 17:33 |
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| trmanco | oh yeah, but it always catches up at the end | Feb 24 17:33 |
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| balzac | which is nice as a method of under-cutting M$ revenue | Feb 24 17:33 |
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| MrMidland | Hi Roy, | Feb 24 17:39 |
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| MrMidland | On my way to gym from work | Feb 24 17:39 |
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| MrMidland | in the meantime here is another link.......... | Feb 24 17:40 |
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| MrMidland | http://itulip.com/forums/showthread... | Feb 24 17:40 |
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| Balrog | you can use Webkit - GTK | Feb 24 17:40 |
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| Balrog | :P | Feb 24 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Missed Mike's entrance. | Feb 24 17:51 |
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| kentma | as the actress said to the bishop... | Feb 24 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Feb 24 18:01 |
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| trmanco | look at this comment: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments... | Feb 24 19:12 |
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| trmanco | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl... | Feb 24 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | hehe... "if (65535==65535) { install trojan; } else { don't install trojan; }" | Feb 24 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Feb 24 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | "I still portion a large part of the blame at Alan Greenspan who jacked up US interest rates 15 times in a row." | Feb 24 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Of course that doesn't excuse poor financial regulation and boss's still getting rewarded for failure." | Feb 24 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Feb 24 20:25 |
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| trmanco | loool | Feb 24 20:41 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, have you seen that comment on /. | Feb 24 20:41 |
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| trmanco | ? | Feb 24 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | I saw a few | Feb 24 20:45 |
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| trmanco | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments... this one in specific | Feb 24 20:46 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, http://code.google.com/p/qt4dotnet/ | Feb 24 20:56 |
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| trmanco | doesn't KDE usa (cute)? | Feb 24 20:56 |
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| trmanco | use* | Feb 24 20:56 |
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| trmanco | so Safari 4 does install already -> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17516 | Feb 24 21:00 |
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| trmanco | it just crashes on start up | Feb 24 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, interesting | Feb 24 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | How old is this project? | Feb 24 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, wine has good security policy. It shoots down malware | Feb 24 21:08 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 24 21:08 |
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| trmanco | I don't know, I saw the link on a mono list | Feb 24 21:09 |
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| trmanco | it looks recent | Feb 24 21:09 |
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| trmanco | the introduction wiki page was written on the 3rd of February | Feb 24 21:10 |
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| trmanco | http://code.google.com/p/qt4dot... | Feb 24 21:10 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, haha found it 2nd a February | Feb 24 21:11 |
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| trmanco | http://code.google.com/p/qt4dotnet... scroll to the end of the page | Feb 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dav... | Feb 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/340/60b | Feb 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Provo, Utah | Feb 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://lists.opensuse.org/open... | Feb 24 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=e... | Feb 24 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | he tries to being it to KDE maybe. See the KDE stuff there. | Feb 24 21:14 |
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| trmanco | I'm being attacked again | Feb 24 21:14 |
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| trmanco | lets see what I can do to really piss of somebody | Feb 24 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Li... | Feb 24 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | ">I liked what Ron said. | Feb 24 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | > | Feb 24 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | > David." | Feb 24 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | :-) The Munchkins go desperate | Feb 24 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | He work for them: http://www.elikirk.com/ | Feb 24 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Not much there... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2c... | Feb 24 21:19 |
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| trmanco | they did go stupid overnight | Feb 24 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | To his credit, I cam't find a connection of interests, just a geographical correlation. | Feb 24 21:30 |
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| trmanco | http://dustinwilson.com/articles/2009/02... | Feb 24 21:36 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/... | Feb 24 21:41 |
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| MinceR | or anything google :> | Feb 24 21:42 |
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| trmanco | I like Google | Feb 24 21:44 |
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| MinceR | i hate google | Feb 24 21:45 |
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| trmanco | people nowadays all use Linux, indirectly | Feb 24 21:45 |
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| trmanco | so everybody that hits Google, is using Linux :-P | Feb 24 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Same with most sites | Feb 24 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | People wrongly use Google as 'the' example that everyone 'uses' Linux | Feb 24 21:50 |
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| MinceR | google blatantly violates privacy rights and freedoms while claiming not to do evil | Feb 24 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | You could also just speak about DNS, which often runs BSD and Linux | Feb 24 21:50 |
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| MinceR | they also released google earth for linux which only works as root and has no uninstaller | Feb 24 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Peopke do a lot more DNS queries than Google queries | Feb 24 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | And everyone uses DNS | Feb 24 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they don't do evil. They say so | Feb 24 21:51 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 24 21:51 |
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| trmanco | it's different | Feb 24 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://investor.google.com/conduct.html | Feb 24 21:51 |
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| MinceR | yeah, dns is reliable | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | How vain of them... | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| MinceR | also, it doesn't collaborate with the chinese government to help censor information | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | "Investor Relations | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Google Code of Conduct | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Preface | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | "Don't be evil." Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But "Don't be evil" is much more than that. Yes, it's about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it's also about doing the right thing more generally - following the law, acting honorably and treating each other with respect." | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | What a way TO BEGIN their investors relations page | Feb 24 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | It does smack of "defend yourtself first" | Feb 24 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | It carries on: "The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put "Don't be evil" into practice. It's built around the recognition that everything we do in connection with our work at Google will be, and should be, measured against the highest possible standards of ethical business conduct. " | Feb 24 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | "We set the bar that high for practical as well as aspirational reasons: We hire great people who work hard to build great products, and it's essential that we build an environment of trust - among ourselves and with our users. That trust and mutual respect underlie our success, and we need to earn it every day. " | Feb 24 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | I think they listened only to investor when deciding to censor in China | Feb 24 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Sure was the case in Yahoo!... | Feb 24 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | So they don't do evil ................................... [to their investors] | Feb 24 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Hence the location of the statement | Feb 24 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Ouch! "As I learned recently, ââ¬Å¾discuss“ lists silently drop all mails from non-subscribers. Oh dear! The only subscriber was /me, and so all my test mails made it through, but none of the (certainly billions) mails you sent. How awkward …" http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry... | Feb 24 22:02 |
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| MinceR | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Feb 24 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | IDG says: cherish the criminals who are responsible for destruction: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160086/microsoft_hopes_... | Feb 24 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/sta... "Given that Gmail is down, thank goodness there's still Twitter so I can waste time not working" | Feb 24 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: seen first comment? Vandals. | Feb 24 22:13 |
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| MinceR | i read at 0, except when i have mod points. | Feb 24 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Theory goes: site succeeds; site has positive influence; greedy F*s trash site; site goes on blacklist (filter or mental/perception/reputation) | Feb 24 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | That's why people advise that trolling BN needs to end. We had some today | Feb 24 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat can make a decent desktop. It has RHEL and Fedora took good shape in Cambridge. [H]omer in this IRC channel recently became BLAG developer (Fedora without blobs, FSF approved) | Feb 24 22:16 |
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| MinceR | world wide blag! ;) | Feb 24 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Journalists have run out of news: Google's Atlantis Discovery Explained < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160088/googles_... > | Feb 24 22:18 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, just moderate the comments | Feb 24 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS still gets news. It's now company dependent :-D :-D | Feb 24 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: define "moderate". Hide? assign number? Red text? | Feb 24 22:19 |
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| MinceR | everyone knows Atlantis is in the Pegasus galaxy | Feb 24 22:19 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, read the comments and approve the ones that are not trolling or not offensive | Feb 24 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | What do you make of this? http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic... Midori under another name? | Feb 24 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: that's comment deletion. It would be used against us. | Feb 24 22:21 |
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| trmanco | not really | Feb 24 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Why not? | Feb 24 22:22 |
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| trmanco | when somebody becomes offensive, his freedom ends and his comment should not be approved | Feb 24 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | They'll say that I delete stuff I disagree with. | Feb 24 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | There's a difference between saying "you're an ass" or "this is a conspiracy theory" | Feb 24 22:23 |
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| trmanco | so delete the ones that say that too | Feb 24 22:23 |
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| trmanco | I'm referring to the "you're an ass" :-P | Feb 24 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about just using IRC instead of comments. People can enter it quickly | Feb 24 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: most comments are not offensive, but they are mus-slingings | Feb 24 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | *mud | Feb 24 22:24 |
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| trmanco | what about trolling? | Feb 24 22:24 |
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| trmanco | the same thing applies | Feb 24 22:25 |
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| trmanco | imo | Feb 24 22:25 |
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| trmanco | or, create a comment policy | Feb 24 22:26 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 24 22:26 |
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| trmanco | and use a "report offensive comment" link | Feb 24 22:26 |
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| trmanco | ouch | Feb 24 22:27 |
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| MinceR | 232848 < MinceR> what i usually make of "brand new" microsoft os-es | Feb 24 22:27 |
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| MinceR | if it's compatible with windows, it's just as crap as windows, therefore dead | Feb 24 22:28 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 24 22:28 |
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| trmanco | nice approach | Feb 24 22:28 |
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| MinceR | if it's really new then it has to compete on nearly the same grounds as other non-windows os-es, therefore it's dead | Feb 24 22:28 |
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| MinceR | since microsoft bases its os dominance on compatibility, they're doomed | Feb 24 22:29 |
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| MinceR | if anyone believes they can finally come up with something new and great, they should think about vista, longhorn and winfs. | Feb 24 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Longhorn. | Feb 24 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | It become bullsh*t (as in Bull). | Feb 24 22:32 |
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| MinceR | they keep claiming "this time we've really come up with brand new, great tech!" and it always turns out to be hot air. | Feb 24 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Bullshot emits hot air. | Feb 24 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft should but Steam | Feb 24 22:34 |
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| Balrog_ | ? | Feb 24 22:35 |
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| Balrog_ | "Across the XP-Vista-Windows 7 landscape, Microsoft has fostered an ecosystem that now holds out the prospect of a mind-numbing number of incompatible drivers, unsupported devices, unsupported applications, unsupported data, patches, updates, upgrades, 'known issues' and unknown issues. Sound familiar? That's what people used to say about Linux.'" | Feb 24 22:36 |
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| Balrog_ | http://tech.slashdot.org/articl... | Feb 24 22:36 |
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| MinceR | when, in 1990? | Feb 24 22:36 |
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| Balrog_ | that's what people used to *say* | Feb 24 22:36 |
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| Balrog_ | and I do remember hearing it not many moons ago :p | Feb 24 22:37 |
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| MinceR | yeah, microsoft cultists still keep regurgitating this | Feb 24 22:37 |
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| Balrog_ | well, now it hits *windows* | Feb 24 22:37 |
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| Balrog_ | :D | Feb 24 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Just now? | Feb 24 22:39 |
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| Balrog_ | I've seen it for ages | Feb 24 22:40 |
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| trmanco | maybe since the dos days | Feb 24 22:41 |
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| Balrog_ | since VxD / real mode / protected mode | Feb 24 22:41 |
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| Balrog_ | in Win95 | Feb 24 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | azerthoth hates freedom;.. attacking not just me but RMS too in a way: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view... | Feb 24 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Pj doesn't like LXer either because of such people who gave her grief. | Feb 24 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Here come the responses to Microsoft FUD opportunism: Let's Not Trash Cloud Computing Over Gmail Outage < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/e... > | Feb 24 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | MS Office already delayed: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2116 "However, last year, more than a few times execs slipped up and indicated Office 14 would ship in 2009." | Feb 24 22:44 |
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| trmanco | zero day exploit did this | Feb 24 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Na...... | Feb 24 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Office= crime (OOXML corruptions) | Feb 24 22:46 |
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| MinceR | crime isn't delayed :> | Feb 24 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | They should release Blood Edition (or Red Edition) to celebrate the damage they did to world's trust for OOXML | Feb 24 22:46 |
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| MinceR | they should die | Feb 24 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?r... "Apple is expected to lay off 400 to 500 workers this week..." | Feb 24 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Just Apple. | Feb 24 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll find something useful to do.. not DRM and intellectual monopolies. | Feb 24 22:49 |
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| *schestowitz high-fives MinceR? | Feb 24 22:49 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Feb 24 22:49 |
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| MinceR | well, there are plenty of fields to till. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Novell might fire more. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | This week even. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | The world needs more oxygen | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | We need gardening. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | That would be " fields to till"... literally.. fields. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| MinceR | and less people. | Feb 24 22:50 |
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| MinceR | at least until we can expand beyond Earth. | Feb 24 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Religions encourage more peole | Feb 24 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | The more religious/extreme, the more important it becomes to have more kids | Feb 24 22:51 |
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| MinceR | and yes, i meant agriculture literally | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Like its an expansion not of gene but of belief | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| MinceR | even if they're clueless about IT, they might be able to learn how to use a hoe. | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Oh,. | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Fields to fill literally... makes ense. | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Less driving. | Feb 24 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | There's room for running machines to do a lot of the mechanical work anyway. | Feb 24 22:53 |
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| *trmanco leg hurts | Feb 24 22:53 |
| *trmanco 's leg hurts | Feb 24 22:53 |
| trmanco | ah | Feb 24 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Buy a new one | Feb 24 22:54 |
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| *trmanco can't, it is not disposable like Windows | Feb 24 22:54 |
| *trmanco check COLA | Feb 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | What's in COLA? | Feb 24 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: http://openprosthetics.org/ | Feb 24 22:58 |
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| trmanco | you, some trolls, me, and a lot of advocates | Feb 24 22:58 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, that's sure going to be useful, I'll get my leg replaced now ASAP :-P | Feb 24 23:00 |
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| trmanco | weird | Feb 24 23:00 |
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| trmanco | what kind of protocol is hrrp? | Feb 24 23:01 |
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| trmanco | Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (hrrp) isn't associated with any program. | Feb 24 23:01 |
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| Balrog_ | hrrp is probably like hxxp | Feb 24 23:02 |
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| trmanco | yeah, but why would they do this on their own page | Feb 24 23:03 |
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| Balrog_ | trmanco: who? | Feb 24 23:06 |
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| trmanco | http://openprosthetics.org/ | Feb 24 23:06 |
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| *Balrog_ has quit ("bye") | Feb 24 23:13 |
| MinceR | hrrp is the aggressive version of http | Feb 24 23:13 |
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| MinceR | Hrr!p | Feb 24 23:14 |
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| MinceR | GET is replaced by GIMME | Feb 24 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | "The Obama administration promises transparency and accountability in Washington, but it's siding with George W. Bush's view of executive privilege in an attempt quash recovery of what could be millions of missing White House emails." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/... | Feb 24 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | MIT boffins fashion working plasma rocket from Coke can < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/24... > (VIDEO) | Feb 24 23:21 |
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| balzac | that's tragic | Feb 24 23:23 |
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| *Balrog_ (n=Balrog@pool-71-255-101-57.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Feb 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | IDG attacks Google over short downtime: http://www.pcworld.com/arti... http://www.pcworld.com/article/160150/googl... | Feb 24 23:24 |
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| balzac | Obama better not keep obstructing justice on behalf of Bush | Feb 24 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Bushama | Feb 24 23:24 |
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| balzac | that is one thing that people do not take lightly | Feb 24 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Change. http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Sou... | Feb 24 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | People begged for change. They might get change... while the Rich People get STI-MOO-LOOS! | Feb 24 23:26 |
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| MinceR | he obstructs justice on behalf of the megacorps instead | Feb 24 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: what do dailykossers say about this? Do they want justice and accomplices? | Feb 24 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Guy drops promotional garbage he plants in a blog... then complains.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... | Feb 24 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Google turns FOSS to $aa$: Google sets billing rates for App Engine < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/277857/... > | Feb 24 23:37 |
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| MinceR | when was app engine foss? | Feb 24 23:38 |
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| *Casperin has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Feb 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | never | Feb 24 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Open POS software... | Feb 24 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Polluting the polls... "After lifting off at 1:55 a.m. Pacific Standard Time (PST) on Tuesday, February, 24, 2009, NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory did not reach its intended orbit. Its mission was declared 'lost' when it crashed into the Antarctic Ocean." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23438/1075/ | Feb 24 23:53 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 24 23:59 |
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